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“You Have Permanently Changed Them”: Rand Paul Grills HHS Nominee Rachel Divine Over Parental Consent For Trans Minors

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Originally appeared at ZeroHedge

On Thursday, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) grilled President Biden’s nominee for assistant health secretary, Rachel Levine, over whether minor children should be allowed to make irreversible, life-changing decisions over their gender.

"You Have Permanently Changed Them": Rand Paul Grills HHS Nominee Rachel Divine Over Parental Consent For Trans Minors

Levine, a transgender biological male and former pediatrician, refused to answer the question – twice, instead suggesting that transgender medicine was a ‘complex and nuanced’ field, and that she would be open to a private discussion on the matter.

"You Have Permanently Changed Them": Rand Paul Grills HHS Nominee Rachel Divine Over Parental Consent For Trans Minors

Paul starts off by noting that genital mutilation is recognized as a human rights violation, and that many who go through it do so willingly out of fear of social rejection. He then notes that America is ‘normalizing the idea that minors can be given hormones to prevent their biological development…”:

“According to the WHO, genital mutilation has been recognized internationally as a violation of human rights. Genital mutilation is considered particularly egregious, because as the WHO knows, it is almost always carried out on minors and is a violation of the rights of children.

Most genital mutilation is not typically performed by force, but as WHO notes that by social convention, social norm. The social pressure to conform, to do what others do and have been doing as well as the need to be accepted socially and the fear of being rejected by the community. American culture is now normalizing the idea that minors can be given hormones to prevent their biological development of their secondary sexual characteristics.

Dr. Levine you have supported both allowing minors to be given hormone blockers to prevent them from going through puberty, as well as surgical destruction of a minor’s genitalia. Like surgical mutilation, hormonal interruption of puberty can permanently alter and prevent secondary sexual characteristics. The American College of Pediatricians reports that 80-95% of pre-pubital children with gender dysphoria will experience resolution by late adolescence if not exposed to medical intervention and social affirmation.”

“Dr. Levine, do you believe that minors are capable of making such a life-changing decision as changing one’s sex?” Paul asked.

Levine deflected:

“Well, Senator, thank you for your interest in this question. Transgender medicine is a very complex and nuanced field, with robust research and standards of care that have been developed. And if I am fortunate enough to be confirmed as the assistant secretary of health, I would look forward to working with you and your office in coming to your office and discussing the particulars of the standards of care for transgender medicine”.

Paul, visibly irritated, shot back:

“The specific question was about minors. Let’s be a little more specific since you evaded the question. Do you support the government intervening to override the parent’s consent to give a child puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and/or amputation surgery of breasts and genitalia? You have said that you’re willing to accelerate the protocols for street kids. I’m alarmed that poor kids with no parents who are homeless and distraught – you would just go through this and allow that to happen to a minor.

What I’m alarmed at is that you’re not willing to say: ‘absolutely, minors should not be making the decision to amputate their breast, or to amputate their genitalia. For most of our history, we have believed that minors don’t have full rights and that parents need to be involved, so I’m alarmed that you won’t say, with certainty, that minors should not have the ability to make the decision to take hormones that will affect them for the rest of their life.

“Will you make a more firm decision on whether or not minors should be involved in these decisions?” Paul repeated.

Levine repeated her last answer almost verbatim: “Senator, transgender medicine is a very complex and nuanced field…”

To which Paul shot back:

“For most of the history of medicine, we wouldn’t let you have a cut zone up in the ER, but you’re willing to let a minor take things that prevent their puberty, and you think they get that back? You give a woman testosterone enough that she grows a beard, you think she’s going to go back to looking like a woman when you stop the testosterone? You have permanently changed them. Infertility is another problem. None of these drugs have been approved for this. They’re being used off-label.

I find it ironic that the left that went nuts over hydroxychloroquine being used possibly for covid, are not alarmed that these hormones are being used off-label. There’s no long-term studies. We don’t know what happens to ’em. We do know that there are dozens and dozens of people who’ve been through this who regret this happening – a permanent change happened to them.

And if you’ve ever been around children, 14-yar-olds can’t make this decision. In the gender dysphoria clinic in England, 10% of the kids are between the age of 3 and 10. We should be outraged that someone is talking to a three-year-old about changing their sex.”



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Adam Prisbit

Rand paul is antiisrael antisemite piece of SHET. he hater of civil right and single out this woman since she is jew! he is antisemit who want to BECOME FRIENDS with butcher assad regime and Mullah Iran

Putin Apologist

He “single[s] out this woman“.

This was meant as satire, right?

Ashok Varma

What kind of an idiot upvotes themselves.


A zionist :)


That fucking freakshow. Is a mentally ill biological man and should have nothing to do with a position in health.


Wow, that is some colossal self-delusion, and self-obsession, with perceived importance of own ethnic identity – and, some seriously off the charts, egocentric, paranoid, self-victimization rhetoric. This is about child welfare and natural biological development – being interrupted by choices that a child is not of legal age or mental maturity to make by all previous legal definitions, and potentially irreversible should a child want to reverse the decision after few years – which is quite possible given these are undeveloped and emotionally immature adolescents. The ‘doctor’ is not an objective or particularly credible participant in this debate – rather is ego-bound to the whole issue, given this individual’s (rather fragile) self-identity and self perception is entirely bound up within the issue. Ergo: firstly, and this may come as a shock, but gratuitously throwing the word ‘antisemite’ around, devoid of any actual evidence, wont shut down entirely legitimate political and social debate, and secondly, its rather a ridiculous stretch to try and conflate domestic policy ‘trans issues’ and foreign policy geo-politics of Syria and Iran all within the confines of one hyperbolic sentence. Epic troll fail.

johnny rotten

It’s over Ron, America is gone, accept the fact because it is irreversible, the Jews are running all these minorities in order to hide better, as they said and put in writing in the aftermath of WWII, their plan was clear already at the time , now it’s too late to go back, look what happens to the US military where now even the Marines want stilettos, zero chance of a decent future for both America and the entire West.


Frankly, there are only two genders in the human race, MALE & FEMALE. Hollywood and the Jews created the rest of the freaks.


1/100000 people have some kind of physiological condition which could result in gender not being clear, though it’s rare to be that severe even among the 1/100000, that’s being transgender. If you have no physiological condition than it is by definition a psychological disorder.

Supreme Blyat

Some should pay more atention on what Pauls say about Israel and Iran.

Albert Pike

It’s saddly not just America – it’s all of the West, and if you look at their plan for war, it’s the East too. The east is just kept normal to give that population a reason to fight against the satanism/transgender of the judeo-christian west, maybe by using satanism/transhumanism (like Chinas supersolidiers). They, the West and East thereby both following a plan, which is not understood by their population, and as long as the east -and the west- doesn’t get who is behind it, none of them can win – because either way they land up with Transgender/Transhumanism = Satanism – and will in the end not know how they got there (transgender-problem-bearers in the west are something like 0,3% of the population):

From Jakob Frank ‘words of the lord’: ‘1315. How did you not under stand that when one comes to a new place it is necessary to change all the ways of the first; words as well as deeds and clothes, and soon with all things, and not to turn one’s face back. Just as you, you were Truebelievers [Sabbatians] in Poland, then you had to alter your deeds, like breaking the fasts and the Laws of Moses; even though that was in secret, still you had to transform them.” ‘ ‘«The new Messiah proclaims the end of all laws, not just Jewish law: “Only to wipe out all laws, all religions, did I come to Poland, and it is my desire to bring life forth into this world. [WoL, 130]/ Do not believe that only Jews should be saved, God forbid, the whole human race should be saved. ” ‘ ‘All social institutions must be destroyed because they stand in the way of salvation. •The work of destruction must be accomplished by man’s descent into the lowest depths of the abomination. •It was a common belief that the coming of the Messiah would be the signal of the end of evil and sin: either because there would no longer be any sin committed, or because they would no longer be considered as sins.’ A.Mandel,TheMilitantMessiah,pp.52-54 From: ‘Sabbatianism and Frankism: The spiritual crisis in the West, seen through 2 heretical messianic movements of the 17th and 18th centuries.’ https://www.academia.edu/38532262/Sabbatianism_and_Frankism_The_spiritual_crisis_in_the_West_seen_through_2_heretical_messianic_movements_of_the_17th_and_18th_centuries

So we know where it all comes from -it’s not the liberals -it’s that Jewish sect, and they are not shy about telling their plan: From Jakob Frank ‘words of the lord’ 1759 “When two dogs bite at each other even if someone comes between them and beats them with a stick they pay no attention to it and go on fighting; so must it be with the extraordinary spilling of blood in this world and during this very confusion, only then will we be able to redeem our loss, which we have been pursuing. Likewise, when the water is troubled then it is a good time to catch fish; just so when the world is flooded with blood, then shall we be able to catch the thing, which belongs to us.”

So yes “the[se frankist] Jews are running all these minorities in order to hide better”, and “their plan” is clear to flood the world with blood. To make that big war they need ‘thesis’ and ‘antithesis’ – that’s what it’s for, and that’s why appaling creatures like Rachel Levine are pushed onto the stage…

Ashok Varma

Sadly, 20% of US population now identifies as khusras (transvestites), largely due to the Jew media pushing this perversity to undermine traditional family values. India never had pornography industry before the Jew Bilderberg “globalization” and Jew businesses arrived.

Supreme Blyat

*20% of teenagers more precisely. That’s because neomarxists like Soros fought for decades to take over the schools and colleges. But it’s not the end of the world, 60 years ago the same percent was hippie. Once they had to work, forgot the flower power and even became warmongers :)

Harry Smith

And, also, legalized homosexuality in 80s. It’s like cascade waterfalls. Short normalization is just a respite before next deeper fall.

Supreme Blyat

Yeah, it’s cyclic. Meanwhile homosexuality is decriminalised in Russia too.

Tommy Jensen

Gay parade coming to moscow soon. One usury loan can do it. Thats the way the others got hooked.

Supreme Blyat

I wouldn’t be so optimistic :)

Harry Smith

Yep. But it is cyclic too. Lenin decriminalized homosexuality in 1917 and then Stalin criminalized it again.

Ivan Freely

The US is so fucked it’s not even funny anymore. My tolerance for these kinds of people have reached the end. At this point, a civil war would be most welcomed just to purge these assholes.

Ashok Varma

US is a sick society top down.


“changing ones gender is not something you do on whim it requires careful consideration. You should be over 18 before doing it”

One should also be mentally ill.

Lazy Gamer

If they cant be reasoned logically, then they must realize that this LGBTQ policy as well as BLM are weapons of mass destruction that they willingly inflicted to their population. Their population will be less, weaker, and more prone to new sorts of epidemics they will uncover. In addition, race and identity tensions will be a dividing factor to their population. All manner of perceived inequalities will be expressed in one of these two, which will further aggravate divisions. All of these will have a domino effect to the family, culture, and ideas leading to stagnancy in human development. So go ahead, and ruin the American population with these policies, but leave the rest of the world out of it. If America wants to equalize a baboon or a banana(or whichever identity one is affiliated with), or a mentally deranged person to the rest, then so be it.


Look, some of these folks have been absolutely crazy for a very long time. It is all out in the open and the saving grace here is, they will have their disaster. The fruitcakes are going to wreck a lot but, life doesn´t like nonsense and so now that they are out in the open, they are one step closer to having mother nature step in and have her say.

Colleen Crouse

Um…really? “Nuanced field?” Rand Paul is actually correct. But more than that, there have been at least two generations of people who were tortured and now they want to legalize drugs like marijuana that will make what would otherwise have been the conscious challenge to assimilation after being subjected to torture more disinterested because the drugs dull the pain associated with the conditioning. There was a ballot initiative in Texas about “genital mutilation and chemical castration.” Unfortunately, however, it was done in bad faith, I understand, because it was permitted to be bonded and used in illegal coinage. It would seem that as long as the gender norms are performed and the Republicans and conservatives get their cut of the coinage scheme, they don’t have an actual problem with what would otherwise be identified politically as “transgender” rights.

Colleen Crouse

I cannot use this site’s features because of their user agreement requirements, but this sounds about like what is going on right about now:


Can you find “we are all just the unfortunate products of our doomed culture?”

I mean, no one wants to call it bioengineering and discuss the processes of informed consent necessary for engagement in human test subject experimentation, regardless of whether the contract on the bid went through the FDA or the DOD.

How much do you think the police would get kicked back having “Divine” in the number two position for HHS? But then you would have to remember the history of a more recent political movement based on a flip of an earlier political movement. Stonewall was not about the police anymore than the bartenders.


Put a freak in a position to create more freaks and sure as hell, it will happen. But, maybe I’m just too White and need to take a course to be less White…right Coca Cola? Giving a child the right to change who he or she is is absolute madness!

The US and many other western countries are turning into circus shows and many are accepting it. That’s exactly what happened in Germany in the 1920’s. The country became the brothel of Europe. Freaks, gays, porn were taking over. Then, someone got elected and took care of it all.


This has been going on for a thousand years LBGT whatever is just modern incarnation of the mutilated Eunuchs of ole who favoured exploit was usurping any & all authority and governance in the old eastern world. I suspect something rather unhuman & sinister has been hiding itself out amongst the queers.


Eunuch was a different situation. Those were people who were seeking high office in imperial administration/palace, and one of the conditions for getting such a job was a voluntary castration, so that it would be 100% guaranteed they would not be fathering children there. It was harsh, but that is the reason.


Whether it was for guarding of harems or other court affairs the spaded of history inevitably like Always proceeded with embarked on ANARCHY just as witnessed with their contemporaries today. You are currently witnessing transgenderism(eunuch mutilation) going from a ‘choice’ to an Imposition..How long again do you think before it’ll be banded as Requirement? and not just to hold office this rounds.Step by Step it is identical Modus Operandi.

Tommy Jensen

What could be more important for the planet in just this moment? Our human rights to free speech on faecebook!

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