UPDATE (January 11): On January 11, the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces issued a statement saying that the Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737-800 (Flight PS752) had been shot down as a result of the human error “at a time of crisis caused by US adventurism.” At the time of the incident, Iranian forces were on the highest alert. The plane flown close to a sensetive military site.
The statement added that those responsible for shooting down the plane would “immediately” be brought before military justice. It said that “by pursuing fundamental reforms in operational processes at the armed forces’ level, we will make it impossible to repeat such errors.”
Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif offered Iran’s “profound regrets, apologies and condolences to our people, to the families of all victims, and to other affected nations.”
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On the morning of January 8th, a Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737-800 (Flight PS752) bound for Kiev crashed just minutes after taking off from the Imam Khomeini airport in the Iranian capital. The incident happened near Parand, a suburb southwest of Tehran. All 176 people on board – 167 passengers and 9 crewmembers – died. While the plane belonged to the Ukrainian airline, most of the passengers were Iranians or Canadians. The incident happened less than 3 hours after Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps conducted a missile strike on US-operated military bases in Iraq.
According to Iranian authorities, a technical malfunction was the main reason behind the crash. An initial probe found the aircraft had experienced a problem as it was leaving the airport zone. The plane caught fire three minutes into the flight at an altitude of 2,400m (8,000ft). (A fire broke out in one of its engines) The plane, which was initially headed west, turned back to the airport immediately the problem arose. Then, the plane crashed into the ground. No distress calls were made. This is the main version of the crash.
On the evening of January 9th, a large-scale media diplomatic campaign started suggesting that Flight PS752 may have been accidentally shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile.
The theory is that Iran accidentally launched a surface-to-air missile that hit Flight PS752. This version is most unlikely because it suggests the launch of a single missile at an allegedly unclear target in the vicinity of the capital’s airport where there is continual movement of passenger liners. Even if we ignore the isolated missile launch, the questions remain: At what kind of a supposed hostile target could the Iranians be aiming? How could a single hostile plane the size of a Boeing 737-800 have been imagined near Tehran, far from any site of a possible US attack? How might this kind of a singular hostile target have appeared near the capital unnoticed?
This version is based on claims by anonymous sources – sources which allegedly exist but must remain secret – , “spy satellite images” and social media-based speculations. These include
1. Speculations about ‘unexplained holes’ on photos showing the wreckage of the plane:
2. Two unverified images allegedly taken near the crash site supposedly showing part of a Tor M-1 missile. Iran indeed has Tor low to medium altitude, short-range surface-to-air missile systems obtained from Russia. But it remains unclear how the supposed missile part might have appeared next to the crash site if the missile hit the plane in midair and thus became the cause of the fire:
3. A video allegedly showing the missile hit, and supposedly filmed in a residential area in Parand. If the video is authentic and it really shows the missile hit, the question is how this person could have known when and what to film? Some reports tried to explain this with a ‘there were 2 missiles version’. This is hardly possible. There are clear videos showing how the burning plane was falling. If it had been hit by 2 missiles, then it is extremely likely that it would have come apart midair.
The supposed missile hit:
The plane is in fire:
#BREAKING: It is now known that the Flight PS752 of #Ukraine International Airlines exploded mid-air before impacting ground in #Shahriar, near #Tehran, #Iran. Cause of the explosion of this Boeing 737-8KV with UR-PSR register is unknown.This video shows it moments before crash? pic.twitter.com/b1n6TVBccD
— Babak Taghvaee (@BabakTaghvaee) January 8, 2020
If one theoretically accepts the missile version as probable, it would be reasonable to suggest that the aforementioned ‘missile hit’ video was filmed with advance knowledge of the event.
Iran is the side that has a direct interest in avoiding any such tragedies on its soil. However, there is another side involved – the United States. In this case, the possible reasons for the crash could include:
- A missile strike with a man-portable air-defense system in the hands of US-linked operatives or US proxies. The location of the incident close to the airport zone and the altitude of the plane make this feasible;
- Or a special operation by US forces to carry out a missile strike from the ground. For example, this may have included the capturing of an Iranian missile launcher.
It is also interesting to address the timeframe of the events. When the tragedy happened, the technical malfunction theory was widely accepted by all sides. It took the US-led ‘international community’ almost two days to start spinning the narrative. There are two possible explanations for this:
- The United States strongly advised its ‘partners’ to promote the version blaming Iran regardless of the real reason for the crash. This media and diplomatic hysteria is needed to justify further pressure on Iran, to set the ground for possible aggressive actions and to draw the international and internal audience’s attention away from the fact that the United States for the first time since World War 2 did not give a military answer to a direct missile or bombing attack on its military bases by a state actor;
- The Flight PS752 operation had been prepared as part of the campaign to justify military aggression against Iran. However, when Washington did not want to risk providing a military answer to the Iranian missile strike, the operation was put on hold. Two days later, when the reaction of the internal and international audience to the absence of any real answer to the Iranian missile strike became obvious, the Flight PS752 incident became a part of the campaign to compensate for the US setbacks on the international scene.
In any case, the tragedy of January 8 has already become a part of the US-led campaign to discredit Iran and to increase media and diplomatic pressure on it.
Clue for you: Whenever this happens, the actual plane goes dark, a dark plane comes online with the same signature at the same location (within 50 miles). The empty plane gets shot down or has a scheduled failure. The dark full plane lands in a secret location. Passengers are kidnapped and slowly released to their families under the condition of total censorship. The target of these kidnappings are never made known in the media.
Now tune your tinfoil hat and take your meds.
Done by whom…Iran….,why? You forget the motive in your conspiracy….what is to gain from such act?!? What would be the purpose of all that circus you describe? The motive? Who benefits & how?
US Special Forces is a Strong Possibility …False Flag
As strong as the Martians doing it.
How the hell “US Special Forces” can wait Iranian airplane to arrive in the middle of Iran and than target the plane with WHAT? Man pad in the night??! Target was too high They need TRUE MEDIUM RANGE radar and missile for that!
Airliner was at just under 8,000ft and 275 knots when it went from ascending to descending in height.
Sorry I have no clue what 8000 feet is …is it like 2.5 km height? Manpad is up to 5km range but I never heard that any body was using them to hit the airplane during the night! That would be only possible if there was some satellite tracking gps device for giving exat coordinates and speed and height of trajectory of the jet to calculate direction and timing to discover position of the target in advance.
8000 feet is around 2400m.
Flightradar24 tracks all commercial flights.
The flight had only been in the air for a few minutes, (hence slow air speed and low altitude height) after experiencing terminal difficulty.
So manpad? Is that what are you trying to say? A heat seeking missile… Yeah under circumstances where the guy with the manpad knows where and when to target in the night with low flaying slow target …. it is possible to do I agree.
Anything is possible.
There’s an app for that.
Yeah I know,… thanks There’s also few places on internet to convert just about anything ….
More likely MEK.
Same thing in Iran.
What a desperate, retarded idea… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/852294ab9fdd1773d321cd3a5c88165f146b85b50908c25d5df585f94977db98.gif
Iran just admitted they did it, hajji.
If the plane was shot down, then Mossad did it. There’s no way Iran would just shoot a plane inside their territory that close to the capital, specially when the airports were open and there was active air traffic.
Absolutely agree– Iranians are cultured and to boot highly intelligent people — and to even consider that they’d shoot themselves in the foot by bringing down a civilian aircraft– is beyond ludicrous and actually an unpardonable insult.
That’s pretty funny.
Mistakes do happen,its nothing to do with the nature of Iranians
The yanks did on 9/11 :)
Yup Florian! Just as they brought down Transworld over Lockerby and then blamed Megrahe– when he was innocent and in the end it was proven it was just another mass murder cia-mossad psyop.Btw, lovely speaking to you again– reminds me of the old days on F/R …
No Boeing aircraft were harmed on 9-11.
That was not the point.
But now you mention Boeing, who in their right minds would want to fly in a Boeing after the companies cavalier attitude towards their aircraft safety.
Profit 1st, quality 2nd.
They just admitted they did it, you fuckwad!
Indeed, they did. As I have said before Iranians are brave people, but very poorly led.
Not really, the IRGC has very poor fire discipline or understanding of IFF or closing an airspace when hostilities are on. Iran shot down 5 F-14, 7 F-4E and over 10 F-5E during the Iran-Iraq war.
Your “cultured and highly intelligent” Iranians admitted to the downing of the plane, just as much as they killed themselves by stampeding over each other at their general’s funeral just as much as causing zero harm to their sworn enemy.
Glorious I say.
Your “cultured and highly intelligent” Iranians admitted to the downing of the plane, just as much as they killed themselves by stampeding over each other at their general’s funeral just as much as causing zero harm to their sworn enemy.
Math: US casualties = 0 Iranian self inflicted casualties = 178 dead + 67 from stampede + 100’s injured
Be careful with your commenting. Other countries have downed civilian aircraft too, Iran has no exclusive on that. Wanna’ guess what country has shot down more civilian aircraft than all the rest combined ? It’s been said “A big mouth looks better closed.” You’re about to jump on your dick wearing golf shoes.
He hasn’t done that to the Saudis. Nice try.
The Saudis do what they are told… lol.
Yep, like fly planes into the WTC and kill airmen in Florida :)
House of Sodom…
Now SHOW US WHAT TRAMP DOES TO JEW and SAUDI NAKED ARSE !
Now that Iran recognize they shut down the airplane you better shut up..
Iran just admitted they did, faggot.
dID us ADMIT THEIR MASS MURDER OF THE 1988 WHEN 290 iRANIANS WERE KILLED INCLUDING 40 CHILDREN.
Iran just admitted they did it, jackass.
Grow up and no need for name calling, unless it is Jew fucks :)
Actually, SF needs to update. Iran has just officially acknowledged that its military shot down the Ukrainian 737 “accidentally and unintentionally”. As I have said before, Iranians on a personal level are brave but the mullah military is unprofessional and very poorly officered after the revolution. That why Soleimani was easy to assassinate.
How do you know all this information? Commander Quassim Solemenei worked for Iran not the MULLAHS; hE WORKED FOR HIS GOVERNMENT. iRAN GOVERNMENT IS MAINLY REPRESENTED NONRELIGIOUS REPRESENTATIVES. tHE MULLAHS HAVE THEIR OWN SPEHERE.
Ooops, you got it way wrong. Maybe it’s time not to believe everything you think.
Yeah that’s exactly the problem…No logical explanation WHY: “the airports were open and there was active air traffic” I do not believe in “error”. That was deliberate.
Hollow, very hollow.
Whole intelligence everybody talking about is that 2 blips near the airport followed by another & larger blip. This is interpreted as 2 missiles fired & caused a big crash of the plane. Holes on the fuselage show that indeed plane was hit by the small steel balls of the missile warhead. This is quite similar to MH-17 fuselage holes back from 2014.
how you even know it’s even in Iran, could be from a burning australia or using some ordinary fireworks in the denver night and some dexterious add ons.
The moment I saw Bellingcat’s messages on a New Zealand online news site, I immediately thought of its shameless lies during the MH17 tragedy — Just for what it’s worth here is the report https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12299310
NZ is part of the Five Eyes and there is absolutely nothing trustworthy about the media here. We are at the heart of the ZOG
Yes and then there’s the rest of us smaller guys, whose leaders are the proxies of the main eye of the five eyes– But at least the Kiwi’s seems to increasingly have had it with London’s royal reptilians … and the lame dog Morrison managed to stick Britain’s FTA up their jacks– I think he knows if he doesn’t change his spiel — the people are going to post him, holidaying in Hawaii while Australia is burning down! Bstd … another story leaving big, big questions … ZOG’s divide and rule tactics not working so well anymore …
Iran might have been able to sell this theory that the Mossad or the American’s did this but why did they come up with the mechanical failure excuse and why on earth are they bull dozing the field where the plane crashed…that kind of looks a bit suspicious lol…kind of reminds me of 911 when the USA quickly sold all the steel to China before under taking any investigation.
The Islamist Iranian’s big bad ballistic missiles cause no casualties. So to get a little blood lust demanded from raising their Red Flag of Revenge, they shoot down a civilian airliner killing mostly their own Iranian students. Sad and pathetic.
Alert Hasbara brigade Jake 321 – go take your medicine
But without jake this site would become extremely tedious
You need people like jake to create a debate, who knows it may lead to enlightenment!
I’m not holding my breath though
Iran denies the site has been bulldozed — anyway check this out on RT — I personally think this whole thing reeks of the most unimaginably cruel and vicious frame-up. https://www.rt.com/news/477950-iran-crash-site-ukrainian-boeing/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome
RT? You have to be kidding?
They’re getting excited by the word bulldozed,I’d say sanitised would be a better description
” bull dozing the field”?!? Any photo on that activity by any chance?
I meant to say all airplane parts have been removed and photos of heavy equipment at the site..lots of photos of that. But it doesn’t matter as Iran has admitted that it had shot down the airplane. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/10/serious-concerns-raised-over-integrity-of-iran-plane-crash-site
” bull dozing the field” That was Western propaganda in some “news” outlets. False obviously.
Yep, Russia has really great anti aircraft missiles which keep proving their great worth when used by others to shoot down civilian airliners and Russian military planes. Guess there is a danger in giving first world weapons to little more than third world people.
Weapons kill idiot…That´s why we have them. You talk as if yankee weapons only kill enemy combatants…Tell that to all the innocent civilians killed by muurkan weapons…..Your point is so stupid.
Would anybody please FLAG Jake321 so that we can get rid of at least one troll? I did it already but it takes few FLAG’s more at least… THANKS in ADVANCE !
Yup thats it, when challenged resort to censorship
Just ignore them– no decency, from brainwashed to braindead — just following in the footsteps of their despicable zio nwo butcher regime, which long ago hijacked, what in the distant past, was once an honourable nation.
Well imperial Russia didn’t have much honour did they in the past when they, along with the British divided Persia
Yeah, all powerful empires have terrible histories, like how the US massacred the American Indians to virtual extinction, the fake jews capturing and selling African slaves into bondage in Britain and America– but when one supposedly considers that modern day USA claim to be an exceptional nation– how civilised can it be– when it dumped the two first H-Bombs on the World — the civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki— No, Russia is light years ahead when it comes to culture and refinement … while American leaders’ acts, have become evil and inhuman– like alien monsters parading in suits. What a tragedy that is for the American people …
I’m not even gonna bother, especially when one considers just how barbaric frankly insane with paranoia the Soviet empire was,how many of its own people it killed,tortured, worked to death,how it then imposed this ghastly system upon the rest of eastern Europe
The only thing Russia is light years ahead of is in propaganda
I thought the joyless bast@#ds had banned it
agree joke31 is a pest with nothing to add, just out to be a nuisance. zero value and if he’s hit by a car tomorrow, won’t be missed by anyone.
and the same goes for bob below, a nuisance who would be best swinging from a rope from a lamppost.
He’s here to disrupt, that’s the function of the hasbara online 3rd grade troll brigade.
Snowflake can’t take opposition. You need a safe space, kid?
One shouldn’t draw to much conclusions from a lowres picture of a plane part that seems to have damages made by shrapnel. Those pics came with another picture showing the body of the plane full with more shrapnel than these pictures, but when there was more and better pictures it turned out to be stones that stuck to the body during the crash. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENwTtCPXYAAvsrb.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENx-cOhXkAATyAy.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENw1PfzWkAAlrdg.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENw1PfvWsAA0Hae.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Ukraine_Air_Boeing_737_Crashes_in_Southern_Tehran_2020-01-08_08.jpg The nose of the 9M331 doesn’t look like it fell from great heights but rather like it’s carefully placed on the ground, the warhead isn’t in the nose for those that don’t know but rather more to the middle of the missile. About the video that seems to shot down the plane i can’t determent what is shown but one can’t see the plane or it’s lights that is showed in every other video of the plane. In other videos the plane is visible as a light like civil aircraft are at low heights at night and from the fire stats it’s less than 20 seconds until it crashes. Here are some videos of the crash. https://twitter.com/saddatawa/status/1215426823590420486 https://twitter.com/AngeloJohnGage/status/1215417878448680963 https://twitter.com/BradleyJosh/status/1215392369597546498 https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/1215527949350424576 The more materials i find about the crash the more i question what really happened. There isn’t enough pictures or evidence to draw a conclusion of what happened yet.
Great post thanks!
In gross ignorance, I ask– so please forgive me — could it have been a DEW?– the velocity of it, deliberately controlled in line with giving the appearance of an Iranian Russian TOR surface to air missile? Because if the plane had been pulverised, such overt destruction would have defeated their obvious intent — to pin it on Iran? While even the pics of the TOR, seems to have been a plant by the evil bstds who perpetrated this horrific act.
israel through mossad of course
Yes, but what was the weapon used– that’s what I hope the much more informed than me, can perhaps bring enlightenment about! Haha!
Check this — another angle to the tragedy …
Entirely possible. Whatever happened, it happened at the starboard wing root.
Thank you … many questions continue …
not neccessarily shrapnel. as we all know, some american engine have the tendency to explode… so what.. produces “shrapnels” too
Iran has admitted to shooting down the airplane and it claims that it was mistaken for a cruise missile.
CIA/ISIS/Mossad bomb in cargo hold is my theory, plane full of dissident’s more use to the satanists dead, than alive. Because of the airliners height, the airliner didn’t break up under decompression but came down in partial control, exactly how the terrorists wanted.
A remote control bomb could have easily been installed in Ukraine. As you say, most of thee flight was Canadians and Syrians with a few others. This would force the Canadians into a US war.
Ukraine is essentially another terrorist US proxy and the Ukranian shoot down of MH17 in 2014 shows that the death of innocents are nothing for them.
Ukraine does what the CIA demands.
Anything is possible. But in the real world, Islamist Iran just admitted to shooting down the plane, just as the US and other Western Governments have been saying. Period.
There term islamist=SUNNI/PAKISTANI/SAUDI/UAE/TURKEY /USA TERM. Shia muslims do not wage jihad/ or work for CIA/OR WORK FOR MOSSAD.. sunnis do
There would be a few Shia working for them they would have been trying to recruit them for years remember there are a lot of palestinians working for isreal none of them want to spy for isreal they are forced using various means none of which are nice. The same is case all around the world few people who work for the cabalist gangs that rule the world want to they just aren’t given much of a choice in the matter.
These “Canadians” are probably all of Iranian descent. In Iran, they would be considered to be Iranians.
The passenger list confirms that, I agree.
Ukraine is more than a US Government terrorist organization, or supporter. US Government is not occupying Ukraine in it own interests. It does so at the direction of the Zionist Khazar pretend Jew criminal Banking Cabal. US Government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Zionist Cabal, it’s headquarters in The City of London. US Government is 535 (+/-) walking/talking crimes against humanity. Puppets that serve these masters exclusively. US Government has been successfully replaced by Bolsheviks, which are not Russian, they come from Manhattan, financed by Schiff, sent to Russia having been instructed to destroy it. The Zionist Khazar criminal Banking Cabal hates Russia’s guts, and also hates Iran (Persia) equally. In the end the Bolsheviks were forced to flee Russia, survivor’s returning to Manhattan. The Zionist Khazar criminal Banking Cabal has squeezed the last drop of everything of value from USA, beginning in 1992 at the direction, and having replaced the goyim US Government leaders with its own Bolsheviks over time, have been carrying out the New World Order Globalist Agenda. Posting the directive on the Cabal World Government’s Official website. United Nations. Publically announcing the agenda everywhere continuously, as required by the Cabal. US citizens have been attacked since before they’re born using military PsyOps, and propaganda programs, that increase as kids are herded into the Public Education System to indoctrinate them to react in a specific manner to an increasing number of statements, actions, etc., made by their countrymen speaking/acting outside their narrative. Given them daily. These are conditioned responses, education outside the classroom is discouraged, even punished. Self-education ist verboten. People (sheeples) are trained, not taught, told what they think, if not told what theythink, they think nothing at all.. At 3 generations people (sheeples) have no knowledge of any other way to live. Accepting subjugation, many are looking forward to the UN Agenda 21/2030 Sustainability Development Guidelines. Any that are advised what the Agenda actually is, in straight out “moron speak” having been translated from Globalist speak, (that describes a benign, warm, kid, caring and welcoming genre not of this world) into this reality simply refuse to accecpt what our beloved Government has well underway in USA today. “Our Government would never do that to us” they said. “Our Government promised to protect us” they said. “We have them our guns, so we will feel safe” they said. “Conspiracy theorists, mentally ill, off your meds, tin foil hat wearing, Russian agents,” they called us. Dismissed the idea immediately resumed playing their games, assassinating the character’s of their friends on social media, attacking any, and everything that doesn’t agree exactly with with the narrative they’ve been given. With moral outrage like a herd of batshit crazy nerds gone amok. Divided perfectly down party lines, and defending their party violently, to prevent actual truth, and fact from spreading in fear it will infect them, or if caught with it, they will be punished. Which they will, it’s a criminal act to state the obvious in the land of the “free” today. People fear what they’re told is coming, and not to fight it, instead patiently, quietly wait their turn to be killed. If you fight you’ll be killed, in a much quicker manner than waiting you’re turn. Being starved to death, and/or infected by a man-made virus. Survive this, and you are instructed to “wait here” someone will take you to be killed by other means in a few minutes. It’s a difficult time to be goyim. Ukraine is a large piece of what was once Khazaria. Crimea, Belarus, and other countries also. To restore Khazaria to its original borders is the main reason the criminal Banking Cabal directed US Government to overthrow Ukraine’s legitimate Government, install Pooroshenko puppet, and sent US military to occupy Ukraine. Ukrainian Government, and Rothschild personally directed Pooroshenko puppet to attack the Donbass region, kill as many people as possible. Then take control of the resources. Crimea as well, the biggest prize for the Cabal. Having the common border, AND Russia’s only warm water port,, and the big Navy base that’s been there forever in Zionist Khazar territory to control put the Cabal in Zionist Heaven. Both Crimea, and Putin were quicker than they thought, this cost the Zionist Khazars their most coveted prize. The common border turned out not to be the brilliant idea the Cabal thought it was. Grossly underestimating Russian military technology and capabilities has made the border a liability. The Kerch Strait Bridge, and the investment Russia in Crimea has returned a repaired, rebuilt, and upgraded, self-sufficient place with low unemployment, lower transportation costs with the highway/railroad bridge, a much expanded agriculture, a totally insane badass National Guard looking out for it’s security needs, and growing infrastructure, and standard of living improvements. Crimea is well pleased with its decision to exit Ukraine, and join the Federation. Zionist’s, Ukrainians, and other tolls will cry, and rage, but they can take comfort in viewing the longest bridge in Europe all day if they like. Very soothing. A token daily slap upside Rothschilds head from Russia with love. By President VV Putin, and the Administration. Another gross underestimation is Iran, it’s military technology, and capabilities. The fact that despite40 years of US sanctions, bullying, threats, attempts to destabilise, and overthrow Iran’s Government again, enabling Rothschilds lap dog to nip at Iranian ankles, and be endlessly underfoot, while protecting the regional terrorist organization from being completely wiped off the face of the earth in 72 hours, or less. The extra time is to allow the historic Biblical lands artifacts, temples, and all that shit from being harmed, as the Zionist Khazar vermin are removed. I understand Hezbollah has a little bone to pick with the pretend Jews. Lebanon’s legitimate if not compliant militia has proven to be capable of standing against trained military successfully, honorable, honest, and not to be the “terrorist organization” Israel labeled the militia. Fighting beside SAA every step of the way. It’s noteworthy the when the Zionists were slaughtering Syrian Christians near Golan, no Christian force came to stop it. As one would think, instead it was Hezbollah that came and put a stop to it. Almost instantly, causing the Zionist pretend Jews to cry, and rage that Hezbollah was making them anxious by it’s proximity to Golan. It actually takes this long ass rant to outline some basics.
Bomb is unlikely, since the plane came down instead of exploding in the air. A hidden team with MANPADs could’ve done it easily, however.
We knew days ago that the aircraft exploded in air.
Iran just admitted they did it, faggot.
Is little ‘jhonnie’ 2-dicks being a delinquent, again?
Is this still the work of the CIA/ISIS/Mossad?
Well that all hinges on what made the airliner deviate from it’s course and turn back towards the direction of Tehran, doesn’t it?
I don’t think so. Those early reports turned out to be incorrect. The flight wasn’t turning back.
Well if not turning back, it’s flight deviation. And why take-off in the first place, with the potential of counter retaliation?
I believe the deviation you refer to was the aircraft falling out of the sky. Iran should have closed the airspace for a time.
Now that Iran has fully admitted their mistake are you still of a mind to point at CIA/ISIS/Mossad?
I thought you stood by “early reports”…..Even quoting them ad infinitum….Even ad nauseam.
There was a CIA/Mossad ‘asset’ who once categorically stated, that NOTHING of this nature ever happens without their knowledge, or participation, viz. By deceit we wage war …
Oddly enough you failed to answer the question I posed.
Can you tell us who the dissidents were? Not that they would need any dissidents on board to blow it up to they do that sort of shit for fun.
There could also be a version that the Americans had planned for a false flag meant to happen before Iran could react to the killing of soleimam to blame it on IRAN and unfortunately Iran acted before th3execution of the false flag.
Maybe it was the same hit team responsible for 9/11????
Tinfoil hat tuning time.
Isn’t the false flag meme exhausted? Can all bad things on the planet be the fault of the Americans?
Yes, but this format will be the preferred choice for the false flag attack until the end of time.
it’s either an israeli false flag operation to discredit the iranian before the world or it’s a boeing going down as boeing’s been seen to do lately and the well practiced choir of sycophants blaming Iran is out to save boeing from a total break down, bankruptcy, financial meltdown that not even idiot primo trump can save them from. thus blame Iran and do not provide any evidence but when bellingcat turns up with a video-clip, it’s not hard to see beyond the fringes and cia, statedepartment, the white house and dea and nhl and nba and nfl out in force attempting to save the safe and much loved boeing from ruin.
Iran to Announce Cause of Ukraine Jet Crash Tomorrow – Reports
Go sandpeople, go…
And you do not think Jesus was a “sand people”?
Do you ever write of anything else? Is it all racism all the time?
Thanks Southfront, you’re the only remotely watchable news source on this topic
It’s quite obvious that western spooks have been monitoring the trolling of youtube and elsewhere to see if thier false narrative was gaining any traction. They only need the slightest of provocations to roll out their fake news. This was another tradegy, courtesy of Boeing.
Nahhhhhhhhh…another tragedy courtesy of Russia giving modern weapons to not quite modern people.
1979: A tragedy of USA giving modern weapons to NOT quite modern people with support from the Saudi government.
Do you still believe that today?
They’ll be finding the passport of the person who fired the missile any minute now.
Yep, and the guy has an Islamist Iranian military passport.
Sat in his bunker,oh with severe Brown trouser syndrome!
Its really been a bad week for the Iranian dictatorship,could it get any worse?
Yes, they might actually retaliate against Israeli’s bombing them with impunity in Syria and face yet another humiliating lose.
Sounds about right, but only in their fetid theocratic minds though!
Secret intel’, ‘highly likelys’ show media created narratives for Tehran jet crash in order to blame Iran, Russia, Trump
….the 176 people who died were quickly drafted as elements in a propaganda narrative targeting both Iran, Russia and US President Donald Trump.
Check this out too … Video of Ukrainian airliner failed landing with burning engine makes Trump a chump https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/01/10/video-of-ukrainian-airliner-in-failed-landing-with-burning-engine-makes-trump-a-chump/
Live Updates: Iran Says Ukrainian Aircraft Brought Down by Human Error
Probably originally intended as a Mossad/CIA false flag to provide an excuse to attack Iran, but after Iran’s missiles made a joke of U.S. air defences, this was skewed into another anti-Iran smear job. More sanctions is all zion’s crumbling U.S. slave colony has left now.
So says ignorant you. But your Islamist Iranian heroes now admit the US was correct and it was they who shoot down the Ukrainian plane. But your’ll probably still say it was a false flag and a false report from all those Islamist Iranian officials.
Never believe anything the U.S. Gangster regime has to say and to boot their little Russian stooges.
Well, the US sure was correct in this case.
No they aren’t .This is a political backing down by the Irainians. Something smells like fish here.
1. The US angle – A form of retaliation without going to war. Either taking advantage of Boeing backdoors or new tech, or obtained missiles.
2.The Iran angle – We are ready to escalate and convince the people. At the same time, we can bring down everything that flies in the region. Pay attention to Canadians.
3. Somebody else – wants to watch the fireworks.
4. A big fat mistake – oops.
The inept Islamist Iranians admit to shooting down the Ukrainian plane.
OKAY GUYS! NOW TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED! You all know i have been informing u for years of the Intelligence war that has taken place in the USA since Trump arrived! Former CIA black hat (bad guys) vs NSA White hat (Good guys) have been in a war much like Russia had which put Putin into power (To save the country)!
This logically explains why the Media and the Democrats in the USA are trying so hard to get Trump out! This is not to say Republicans arnt bad either, McCain is dead (not from cancer), Paul Ryan (young Republican leader) suddenly quit politics and a few more are now FREE from the control of McCain, Hillary and in some cases are OWNED by the US military Intel services (US military intel is who is at war with 3 letter intel agencies)
North Kore’s KJU was free’d by White hats killing (in the famous North Korean mountain explosion) which killed many Scientists and Generals who act as Handlers! KJU is a mere puppet leader! His Grand father was a real leader but since the fall of the Soviet empire, things in this world are just not the same anymore!
Thus, like the USA easily and openly moved into the middle east under GH Bush, the CIA moved into Iran and NK! Yes Iran and NK! Look, this is EASY to understand! Russia had bread lines! They were almost broken completely! Submarines went missing! There was a military coup in Moscow and the Chechnyan war was killing them! Then Putin came in and things improved (thats another story)!
Iran was so weak from the Iraq war! NK and China were super weak too! China had barely been welcomed into the WTO by 1990!
So, the CIA, Mossad, MI6 had the world to themselves! Nobody to counter them! So they easily moved into Iran who was super weak and NK! China was given a golden goose (entry into the WTO and the beggining of Western industries transfer)! Clinton brought in NAFTA and there goes the ball game!
NOTE: Soleimani is an IRANIAN JEW!
If Soleimani was number 2 and the head General in charge of the Quds forces then who is REALLY in charge? Like North Korea’s KJU who is the son KJI and Grandson to KIS Ayatollah Khamenei is the son of Ayatollha Khomeini! These religious, ideological Gods (in NK’s case) cannot be removed due to their nations belief systems! But these leader are in fact controlled via Generals who are agents of the former CIA and Mossad! YES THEY ARE! Money, women, power!!! Thats all it takes!
NK’s KJU’s Handlers were deleted so to speak! Iran’s Khamenei’s handlers were deleted also!
Why do u think suddenly KJU is meeting Trump and Trump crossing the DMZ to shake hands? THINK! Dont let your cave man tribal culture get the better of you! Remember, the US media HATE Trump! WHY? Change is occurring!
Now Soleimani was setup (along with the Iraqi General who is SHIIA and working for Iran!) Why do u think when Trump killed Bagdaddi and Soleimani that he did not inform either the DNI or the intel committee Chairs? Do u know who the intel committee chair is?? ADAM Schiff! Schiff = Jew! Schiff = Mossad! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8d18fcf699f3cc048f826fda40953cb7b6c252ac21fe0d07c3a5f4192a8b1b04.jpg
So these people are NOT informed and success is made! Yet when the military create a BAITED Trap to appear like they are leaving Iraq as proven by a released letter, it was leaked before hand to Iraq (picture of the letter taken to be released on the 6th of Jan) and Iraq informed Iran which then prompted the General to rush to bagdad! The aim of the Black hats is to KEEP the USA in ME wars! expand them even under trump to get him out at all costs! The attack on the embassy would / could be blamed on ISIS! Becuase the weapon they were going to use was a Davey Crocket! (i know this, i dont think this)!
So the General was deleted! Do u know who wanted him deleted besides the USA? Khamenei himself! Those were fake tears my friend! Khamenei was controlled just like KJU! Soon in time u may see the Ayatollah shaking hands with Trump! just as KJU did! Though now the Ayatollah was free he still had black hat agents in his country! The Ayatollah regained power of his military now the General was dead and that plane leaving on the same day as the missile attack was shot down out of the sky! And let me tell u, most on board or should i say 100% were all Iranian NAMES! i have the list! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31a889cc17c29dbfd573b78b812402551e29de9dcc0361cc048b6161ad5442bc.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/edc33f35009314c0a3c61377b54ed04a58c64b0966059c06396ae5fbdf20bc99.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3bc87e9d4048562ba698185ea07fe73a0086701b34bcf6702f118fc3ec7a648b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca36ed5893e9b5f587e85d1179c6fff74725a6464139fc5c81cf23fddae37825.jpg
So although may seem to be from other nations, they werent! They were Iranian CIA and Mossad Operatives! (Black hats/ bad guys)! Now they are dead! Iran is FREE! As for the Iranian counter attack! This was so easy to avoid with 2 days notice! minimal AND I MEAN MINIMAL and acceptable damage for a US base! No lives lost! Iran seems to be satisfied to save face! Its over!
Lets also not forget the 4.9 to 5.1 earth quake occurring right near Iran’s major nuclear reactor on the SAME DAY! U can be sure those on the plane were agents and scientists! ALL DEAD!
Many of you CAVE MEN wont / cant accept this! u think its crazy! But look at it this way:
You guys consider yourselves WOKE / AWAKE because you KNOW the US and Israel created Al-Quieda and ISIS! Yet if u say this to most people they will say that YOU ARE CRAZY! Tell them 9/11 was an inside job and YOUR CRAZY! Tell them Israel has Nukes and u will be called CRAZY!
So u understand yes? Look! Im telling u, they owned and controlled NK and Iran! You will all find this out soon like its common sense! But your angry chest beating wont allow it! its like u are all brain washed! u actually believe the shit they tell u! YES the USA was bad pre 2017! It was and i hated them too! but what u dont know is that these intelligence agencies dont work for the nations they are HQ’s in! They are only FUNDED by them! These agencies work for GLOBALISTS! And Globalists work for themselves and seem to be favouring 2 countries only! Israel and China!
They are transferring all to China, industries and tech! Selling it through Hillary’s Special Access Program which she had a server in her Bathroom! Many of u still dont understand what really happened in Benghazi and WHY Hillary didnt allow the military to rescue the ambassador and the rest there! She and Obama were SELLING tech hardware AND blueprints!
So China has been hacking, stealing, corrupting, buying and even just openly having the tech transferred to them! and u all sit here and think Russia is friends with China? If China became more powerful than russia in the next 5 to 10 years do u think Russia is safe? With al that land, gas and oil? I mean China literally STOLE the SU-27 and copied it right in front of Russia’s face because CHINA DOESNT GIVE A FLYING FUCK! And Putin could do NOTHING! In fact he was forced to kiss ass and sign an energy deal! You think Putin wanted to do that? He waited all these years trying to get Europe to accept him but the Obama sanctions began and he was forced to do business with China!
Russia is NOT safe from China nor a friend! Just right now it is neccessary for Russia to cooperate!
The fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning! Russia was at its weakest and the USA at its strongest! stealing and controlling oil and printing wealth like never before! China was nothin in 1990! Iran was fucked from its own war with Iraq and NK had nothing, not even a missile!
The CIA did what most intel agencies do, control the bad guy! Own the bad guy! Divide and conquer! Best to own both horses in a horse race! Own both the Republicans and the Democrats!
You all know how it works! But none of u are aware how deep the rabbit hole went! U are RIGHT to hate Mossad and the CIA but they were NOT working for the USA! But its ok to think that! They are Zionist Elite agencies! They are now being deleted!
Think this: North Korea (shaking hands over the DMZ) Kills bagdaddi without informing own Govt agencies Kills Iranian General without informing own Govt agencies US media hate him Has been impeached by Democrats Same Democrats have corruption indictments coming Blamed Trump for what they themselves are guilty if doing Russia Collusion? Ukraine Quid pro Quo? pee pee tapes?
Seriously! THINK! Wake up! JUST FINALLY WAKE UP! Iran is FREE!!!! The JEW CIA black hate mole is dead! General Soleimani to the CIA is the same as Osama Bin Laden, Bagaddi, Zarquawai etc etc! Fake bad guy CIA operatives! Get that stupid thought out of ur head thinking its USA vs whoever! Its not! its Zionist Globalists vs whoever! UNDERSTAND?
The USA is now cleaning up, just as Putin did in Russia! Russia stopped being for sale when Putin got in! USA not for sale since Trump got in!
Get it through your heads! I know part of u accepts this! like 2 % but u just cant! u cant because it means u are not special! u were duped! u thought u were woke! But u still are! u just didnt fly high enough because of your pride and ignorance!
Wake up! the General was a CIA black hat JEW! He was! Now Khamenei has his power back just like KJU!
Wake up! The amateurs in Islamist Iran admit to shooting down the Ukrainian plane killing mostly their won students. The same military that sends dozens of missiles against US bases with not one casualty. The same arrogant military that fell into an obvious trap and got their top general blown up with a bunch of other top Islamist officials. No, these Key Stone Cops will never be allowed to have nukes…NEVER!
Trap laid out by Trump! They knew the CIA media would leak to their Iranian Asset!
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It seems to me you have a theory and you’re carefully picking up tidbits and wrapping them around the theory to give it heft.
Mr Simon using Gen. Suleimani as one of several examples in the context of hyper-sonic weapons tells us only that Suleimani is a well known, self-declared, enemy of the U.S. who’s been on the target list for decades and, more to the point, who happened to be in the public’s attention once again. It doesn’t look to me indicative of a grand gesture to an Iranian asset.
I think there is some substantiation in his claims and remember this article was written one day before Soleimani was killed..so Soleimani wasn’t part of the public’s attention at that point. Honestly I did not know anything about Soleimani until he was killed so I have been researching about him as much as possible. Also Steve Simon isn’t just a journalist ..he also worked for Clinton and Obama’s national security council ..so he probably would have had access to classified information. Also if you read any of his other articles he is completely in favour of keeping American troops in Syria and Iraq…which I am against. New york post claims article claims article foreshadowed attack on Soleimani https://nypost.com/2020/01/03/the-new-york-times-foreshadowed-attack-on-iranian-qassem-soleimani-in-op-ed/ He is of Jewish decent and this article has more info about Steve Simon. https://www.jpost.com/National-News/New-US-Mideast-director-takes-the-helm-at-White-House Here is the best information I found out about Soleimani was from a writer named Dexter Filkins who wrote a book called the “”Forever war”” the article is really long but if you read it …it does suggest Soleimani was at least a CIA asset as he helped the US out in Afghanistan with the Taliban and it seems that the O Bama government allowed him free reign in Iraq where he was funding and helping choose the politicians. Anyway from my perspective it is almost impossible to figure out what is happening as all Governments spread propaganda and the complicit media has an agenda. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/30/the-shadow-commander
Honestly I’ve known of Gen. Suleimani since Gulf War II. There was talk then of taking him out of the equation and the same can be said during the Obama years.
I have no problem speculating that Steve Simon could have had prior knowledge of the decision to make Suleimani a bug spot and used the General as an example of a larger point. However, it’s one hell of a canyon to cross to turn that into a grand gesture to an Iranian asset or proof of a U.S. Intel community civil war.
That Simon happens to be Jewish means what, exactly?
I believe it would be seen as treason for a former American intelligence official to leak classified documents about an assassination..perhaps helping out the enemy. . ..which he seems to have done. Many people think the USA is in the middle east in order to protect Israel and Simon’s other articles indicate he would like the USA to remain in Syria and Iraq. The fact that he is Jewish means nothing..but It does seem strange that a Jewish man familiar with the middle east would be trying to protect an Iranian who has been largely responsible for supporting and funding Hezbollah. I don’t believe that this one incident proves anything..but there are other things happening that do make it seem like there is a split among the intelligence agencies.
It should be considered treason for leaking classified information from an ex official for the national security council ..which is what Simon just did. Many people consider that the USA is in the middle east protecting Israel and articles written by Simon indicate he was all in favour of the US army staying in Syria and Iraq. The fact that Simon is Jewish means nothing but it is odd that a Jewish man so familiar with the middle east would be trying to leak documents that help out a man that has been largely responsible for funding and helping out Hezbollah..perhaps Israels greatest enemy. Though I do not believe this incident proves that there is a war within the intelligence agencies there are lots of other things happening that makes me think it is possible. Steven Simon is a former United States National Security Council senior director for the Middle East and North Africa. He also previously served as the Executive Director IISS-US and Corresponding Director IISS-Middle East and as a Senior Fellow at the Middle East Institute based in Washington, D.C. He was Hasib J. Sabbagh Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies, at the Council on Foreign Relations.
I’m sorry but what I see are a great many assumptions by both you and Justin, one being that the enemy is following Steve Simon in the Times for hidden messages.
You write that Simon being Jewish means nothing and then go on to write how Simon being Jewish strikes you as strange.
Of course there are going to be some assumptions. I don’t recall ever saying that I knew exactly what was going on. I think I mentioned that it was very difficult when you have a biased media and Government propaganda. I think Justin is more convinced that he knows what is going on. I was just making the point there was some substantiation in his claims and why I included a lengthy article by Dexter Filkins about Soleimani which I doubt that you have a chance to read? Also I did not make the claim that the enemy was following the New York times…you just did. But I do know that Steve Simon just wrote an article one day before an assassination and likely leaked classified information..this is really a serious crime and should be prosecuted no matter how he did it. Why would he take such a risk? maybe he threw that into the article as he just found out about it and did not want to be implicated directly. I guess we can only make assumptions. I don’t think it is strange that Steve Simon is Jewish ..but it would be odd if he was trying to leak information to protect the Iranian most responsible for Hezbollah. I guess there is an assumption that most Jewish people would support the demise of Soleimani ..which is perhaps in doubt after that article.
I’m having a difficult time replying to you comments. I’ll try again later.
I have always been under the impression that presidents are selected not elected…but some of what you say is true. For one thing that media (the MSM )has been infiltrated by the CIA since the late 1950’s as were large magazines and newspapers like TIME, the New York times, Washington post etc. All exposed by the investigation with senator Frank Church and the Church committee back in the mid 1970’s. EX CBS president Sig Mickelson admitted as much in the following video. If anything their influence is far worse today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7zWVh4WDuw Also if you are interested in globalism Georgia congressman Larry Patton MacDonald is a good source who said in the early 1970’s . “The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control … Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.” Larry MacDonald outed globalism on National TV in CNN’s old show called Crossfire back in 1983..4 months later he was dead after being on board the South Korean flight that was shot down by the Soviets. Later a another news report claimed that Richard Nixon was warned by the CIA not to board that flight as reported by NBC anchor Connie Chung . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BPhYEFGaGM&t=280s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzIZ786pSbc Honestly I did not know much about Soleimani but found this article by Dexter Filkins who wrote a book called ”Forever Wars “” you can see why he was a hero in Iran but hated by the USA (from an American perspective ) ..it is pretty long but interesting and you can see how he helped out the USA in regards to Afghanistan but definitely he appears to be at least a CIA asset. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/30/the-shadow-commander The problem for Trump ( according to your theory ) is that he is in a terrible situation by intelligence agencies that has a tendency to do false flags and they are completely backed up by the CIA controlled media. One thing for sure though is the it is time for the USA to get out of Iraq and hopefully it happens soon.
Finally, someone who understands! Right on brother!
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Interesting so this article was written one day before Soleimani was killed..is that correct? Do you know anything about this guy named Steve Simon?There are all kinds of false flags and hoaxes carried out by government organizations so it is hard to tell what is the truth any more ..many of these school shooting etc and mass murders in the USA are not even real events. Youtube owned by google (which was funded by the NSA and CIA ) are heavily censoring their videos now so a new website has started up called 153news.net no censorship and not everything there is true but there are some interesting videos there.
This guy that wrote the piece regarding Soleimani one day before it happened was Steven Simon, a visiting professor of history at Amherst,he served on the National Security Council in the Clinton and Obama administrations and at the State Department…so he is still getting classified information. If you read any of his other articles he is all in for the USA staying in Syria and Iraq..when Trump ordered that Brennan no longer get classified info apparently it was ignored.
This page that is part of the Russian propaganda try to hide what is evident: Iran shut down the airplane.
Islamist Iran admits to shooting down the Ukrainian plane. Guess most all you guys were wrong as usual. But some of you I’m sure will still say it was a false flag, the US did it, Mossad did it.
At least iran admitted it shot it down mistakenly. Doesnt make your side more credible sorry…
Of course it does. The US told the truth about it and the Islamist Iranians out right lied about it until the evidence proved they were lying.
At least Iran admitted? This, in your mind, is admirable?
The Iranian government lied repeatedly and often for three days before they could lie no longer. Admitting guilt now after claiming it was impossible have been a Iranian missiles is no admirable act.
Honestly, wouldn’t conceding Jake’s point have been, if not easier, the admirable thing to do?
What do you mean ….”Until they could lie no longer”?……Like most of the claptrap you write it makes no sense.
You have no understanding whatsoever of how life works do you …”aron”? How old are you….14?.
As for “jake”…..like you, it is a troll lowlife scumbag who has too much time on its hands.
At last Iran admitted…