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JULY 2022

Western Military Strategy For Ukraine Changes For Conciliatory Tone

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Western Military Strategy For Ukraine Changes For Conciliatory Tone

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Western leaders tend to start dialogue with Russia while Zelensky maintains uncompromising stance.

Written by Uriel Araujo, researcher with a focus on international and ethnic conflicts.

According to Western authorities and media reports Ukraine has been winning the war, but, notwithstanding all the weapon’s shipments from the West, this narrative can only be described as propaganda, for a number of reasons. Amid this triumphalist rhetoric, the US-led West seems to have chosen the path of full-spectrum conflict with Moscow, as one can see in the recent G7 joint statement.

And yet, strangely, French President Emmanuel Macron’s own remarks during Europe Day contained a conciliatory tone about not “humiliating” Moscow should Kiev win. The US Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, in turn has asked May 13 for a conversation with his counterpart, Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu, to talk about “an immediate ceasefire”. This was the very first talk the two officials had since the beginning of the Russian military operations in February. Thus, we are seeing contradictory signs.

Moreover, Austin also showed he is interested in keeping lines of communication open with the Kremlin. The one-hour long phone call was requested by Washington. This is the same Lloyd Austin who, in April 26, stated he believed Kiev would win the war, with American help.

Echoing Austin’s change of tone, Macron reportedly has asked Ukraine to make some “concessions”, to which President Volodymir Zelensky replied in a May 13 interview with Italian TV channel RAI that “we won’t help Putin save face by paying with our territory”. This has generated some embarrassment and has prompted a reply from the French presidency, stating that Macron in fact has never “asked President Zelenskyy for any concession.” The same day the G7 announced its intentions to further contain and isolate Moscow, Macron stated, during his address to the European Parliament, on May 9, that “we are not at war with Russia”, adding that Europe’s duty is to “stand with Ukraine to achieve a ceasefire, then build peace.”

Macron and Austin are not alone. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz during a long talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin on May 13 over the telephone, according to a recent Twitter publication of his, stated that there must be a “ceasefire” in Ukraine “as quickly as possible”. Interestingly there was no talk of Russia immediately retreating, which would be a strange thing if it were true that Kiev is “winning” the war.

Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi in turn has also echoed the same theme about a ceasefire. The fact that the speeches of leaders from the three EU largest countries are thus aligned is a clear sign that something is changing. This reflects popular opinion also: according to a recent survey across 27 Western countries (conducted by polling company Ipsos), support for diplomatic talks with Russia has increased precisely in France, Germany and Italy.

These are certainly not the only problems that should worry the US. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, for example, has threatened to block Sweden and Finland NATO bids. With Turkey being such a relevant NATO member, this is yet another sign of the contradictions within the alliance.

In spite of the aforementioned Austin statements, the American take on this is still somewhat more complicated, though. According to the Politico website, a high-ranking Washington official has admitted the US worries about a “fracture”, considering these recent European developments. Within American society itself, however, concerned voices, even in the conservative camp, are increasingly more skeptical about the current US policy regarding the Russo-Ukrainian war. As inflation rises, the 40 billion-dollar package to help Kiev, which is being discussed in Congress, is under a lot of criticism.

While Western officials are starting to change their tone and are apparently willing to start some dialogue with Moscow, the Ukrainian President in turn is maintaining his triumphalist uncompromising tone. Kiev, however, is largely dependent on the West, and in the long run would have no choice, but to play along. The problem is that any “appeasement” endeavors will face a harsh internal reaction from the very extremist forces the West has been supporting. One should recall Dmytro Yarosh’s 2019 threatening remarks about Zelensky “losing his life” and ending up “hanging on a tree on Khreshchatyk (in the Kiev’s center)” if he “betrayed” Ukrainian nationalists. Yarosh, a far-right activist, is nowadays an adviser to Valerii Zaluzhny, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This also explains why countries such as Germany are increasingly reluctant to further arm Kiev – the risk of weapons ending up in the hands of unpredictable extremist groups is too high.

By now, it has become abundantly clear that today’s conflict in Ukraine is a proxy Western war against Russia. The attitude of the United States and EU leaders regarding the crisis has been one of open confrontation without compromise – and of fueling tensions. However, as we can see, there are signs that this approach could be starting to decline.

In early May, referring to the former US President, American intellectual Noam Chomsky, stated, in an interview, that only one “Western statesman” is advocating “a diplomatic solution to the war in Ukraine, instead of looking for ways to encourage and prolong it”, namely “Donald Trump”. Chomsky’s remark seemed accurate back then, but this might be changing now.

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G2 man

As I said from get go, the NATO trash will lose and it did. There is no way that Russia can be defeated, not even in a dream. The UAF puppet forces are being decimated and most of the weapons are falling in Russian hands and even if the NATO faggots send their own cannon fodder which is simply not possible, the Russians will win regardless.

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Pedo Andy from Fcukingham Palace

DUMB POLLACKS>Deputy Foreign Minister of Poland accused Russia of destroying Western weapons supplied to Ukraine. 😂😂😂 Not a joke!

hunter bidé lab pork !

prostipute foreign minister of satan rato is a joke !!! rato is gonna comite suiced and tell it was putina !!! but first they got to find more Nazis in their anus !!!

Muhammed Allah جثث فاسدة مصاصة الديك

I have many times wondered why Poles are so stupid.

Could it be due to excessive religious activity ?!

Excessive inbreeding, that’s why. Just like the Arabs

Muhammed Allah جثث فاسدة مصاصة الديك

You’re right about that.

Then we have two activities that are not good for the future of the planet.

More suggestions?

Paul

Not true. Christians outlawed incest about 14 centuries ago. The most inbred groups are Jews and Moslems.

just brainwashed, not all, like many in the west. in our case it was simple task, look at history. anyway hate is politician’s invention, do not join it. peace from Poland

James Brown

It’s on the open Ukrainian steppe – it was an artillery war in 1941, and in 1943, and it was clearly an artillery war after Debaltseve destruction of Ukrops in 2015. Russia has advantage, it is bigger and better military, but it can also bring artillery and shells from a close proximity, just next door. US has to cargo fly munitions from other side of world to Poland and then truck them into Ukraine on disrupted roads and rails. Serious sustained wars are about logistics, and Russia has the massive logistical advantage here.

Ricardo2000

William Casey (CIA Director 1981-1987): “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”

Ernest Hemingway: “Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.”

Zelenskiy betrayed Ukrainians who overwhelmingly voted for an ‘outsider’ proposing peace and negotiations with Russia. Instead they got a born-again Yankee whose only real skill is the ability to lie on cue, and devise new ways to move aid money ‘skim’ into his Swiss bank accounts.

Ukraine lost this war in 2014, when between 70% and 95% of recalled reservists failed to appear. Citing British Home office reports, Col. Jacques Baud (Swiss Military Intelligence), “Young Ukrainians refused to go and fight in the Donbass and preferred emigration, which also explains, at least partially, the demographic deficit of the country.” Meaning there are no young Ukrainian men left to join the army. They are enjoying life in Europe. If they come back, they will enjoy Bandera widows. Captured Ukrainians are middle-aged and older, with a few National Guard ‘Hitler Youth’.

https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

Col. Baud again, “In October/November 2017, 70% of conscripts did not show up for the “Fall 2017” recall campaign. This is not counting suicides and desertions (often over to the autonomists), which reached up to 30 percent of the workforce in the ATO area.” This repeated the disaster of the first 2014 – 2015 AFU attacks when entire units defected with their weapons and equipment to Donetsk and Lugansk armies who then inflicted the Debaltseve beating.

Henry Kissinger (Washington Post): “For the West, the demonization of Vladimir Putin is not a policy; it is an alibi for the absence of one.”

Robert

The anglo saxon are splitting the long United slavic society bit by bit, that’s what long conflict means. They are getting blood ally who will be able to infiltrate and break down Russia. They don’t have to win the whole ukrain for now, otherwise they would have nothing to engage ukrain with……….Russia seems not to understand this

G2 man

NATO faggots have lost the war and there is no option left but to sue for peace.

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Ashok Varma

Top Indian General on TV interview: just watch – RF is grinding its way down – bit by bit – slowly and steadily – time is not the key anymore – taking out AFU is – and that happens – every day – and every night – without any break. AFU is bleeding out – with NO resupplies and NO reinforcements. Remember that.

Boggs

Ukrainian military is depleting Russian forces every day. Front lines are largely static.

opereta

So the Pentagon is wrong when it reports russian advances and ukrainian retreats every fucking day ??????? MAYBE you think everybody here is stupid ??????

James Brown

The combat fit units of AUF are massed in Donbass, and are being surrounded and slowly crushed. After the AUF forces in Donbass are gone, it’s just going to be the next round of 60 year old conscripts, and existing northern & western Territorial Defense units, that are already expressing reluctance to leave safety of areas like Transcarpathia.

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James Brown

Stupid US-UK media keeps pumping out propaganda saying RF haven’t done this or captured that yet. But RF have never put a time frame on anything, and are in the position of dictating the battlefield space, and doing so on their timetable. Putin is not Stalin, he is not going to rush his forces forward to meet some arbitrary date. It is now slow and steady, and bear in mind the RF are usurping most basic military doctrine, of traditional assumption need three attackers to one defender, by having limited manpower and yet being able to dictate objectives of their choosing.

Iren

Time is on Putin’s side. The slower it moves, the more the US and EU will sag because of their sanctions! Putin has nowhere to hurry. It was America and Europe who wanted a quick war, and thought they would not suffer from their sanctions. They’re in a rush!

James Brown

Yes. Plus Zelensky Regime gang are now claiming they need $5-7 billion a MONTH to sustain their regime, and expect this from US and EU! Apart from basic fact that is not remotely sustainable (US is in mid term election year, with huge outgoings to Ukraine contrasting to own inflation and cost of living issues), Ukraine is known as grossly corrupt. They money will NOT go to civil service or soldiers! Already in last week Ukrainian citizens in Lliv have posted vids on Telegram of customs depot from Poland-Ukraine border and most recent arrivals of truckloads of expensive SUV’s – for the Regime gang. While in US, a Republican politician has suggested the sudden outpouring of cash to Ukraine looks like a basic money laundering exercise with zero accountability. Which sounds just about right. Point being, the US and EU cannot carry Ukraine at this level indefinitely, all while suffering from the consequences of OWN energy sanctions!

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Joseph Day

I’m an Australian, I say steam roll all Ukraine, then have a victory day parade with a convoy of captured weapons in Kiev. Just to really humiliate NATO and US.

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Pedo Andy from Fcukingham Palace

FUCK the US losers and NATO assholes. SLAVA ROSSIYA!

JGarbo

Stay in OZ, ride your surf board or whatever when you’re not winning video game wars.

G2 man

Australia is a US base, and just today a perverted US degenerate marine in Darwin was charged for rape. Australians have no say in their affairs and are a defacto US colony and have thousands of US occupation forces.

James Brown

US occupies central Australian territory for base with massive electronic eavesdropping dish, that covers much of southern hemisphere, Australia’s leading politicians are not even allowed to access this site. It’s just the new US version of the older British colonial overlords, who, when they were still the senior power ‘ally’ to Australia in 1950’s, basically turned up and used central Australia as their nuclear testing grounds, without much asking Australian opinion.

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James Brown

Russia best option, just partition Ukraine more or less at Dnieper, and the also take the southern coastal corridor all way across to Transinstria. Unite all the ethnic Russian enclaves, from east Ukraine to east Moldova. This is a buffer zone answer to NATO, and secures Crimean Black Sea Fleet once and for all. And just leave the landlocked and shrunken west of Ukraine to be EU’s problem in future.

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Boggs

But Putin said that he isn’t planning to occupy any Ukrainian territory. lol

James Brown

Donetsk is an ethnic Russian city. Lugansk is an ethnic Russian city. Mariupol is an ethnic Russian city. Odessa is a an ethnic Russian city. What ‘Ukrainian’ territory?! LOL See the difference?!

Beldar Conehead

Hate to be on the Western side of the river, though.

James Brown

Yea. That west side would be a small EU perma-welfare state (like Kosovo), stripped of the grain and coal resources and income from east, and always watching out for Poland to potentially take action to lay claim and ‘reunify’ the north west of what’s left! Ahh, Ukrops, the Right Sector Maiden Coup, and Vicky Nuland’s plastic bag full of kool-aid cookies, might not have been such a great idea after all.

Boggs

… and then wake up. lol

paquo

not that voting matters but as a lifelong democrat i would now vote for trump

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Ricardo2000

H. L. Mencken (1880 – 1956): “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents… the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

Trump applied sanctions faster than anyone. US-NAYOYO deliberately did everything in its power to start this war intending to fatally weaken Russia. Every President and Congress has implemented this foreign policy since Carter and Brzezinski. It involves isolating Russia with attacks on its economy no matter how damaging these are to the rest of the world. It involves threatening to kill, jail, or depose legitimate Russian leadership and government. It involved training and arming Banderite Nazis, supporting their genocidal goals against every argument for peaceful settlement, even against their own government, leaders, and ‘democratic system’.

Saladin: “I warn you against shedding blood, indulging in it and making a habit of it, for blood never sleeps.”

The US, now and always, makes allies of the most corrupt, violent collaborators. Recently, US trained military yahoos have committed 8 coups in West Africa. Of course, military coups are cheaper than honestly negotiating Oil & Gas rights with responsible, democratically elected, popularly supported leadership. ‘Los Zetas’, Mexico’s worst narco gang were trained and armed by US ‘special forces’. Honduras, where democracy was recently restored after a US-OAS coup installed a president and family now facing decades in US prisons for drug trafficking. El Salvador, where ex-President Cristiani is facing murder charges for the executions of 6 Catholic priests, housekeeper and young daughter, that advocated for negotiations and peace. NAYOYO welcomes military coups and death squads everywhere so long as it favours corporate greed and human rights violations that terrify popular dissent. Only the most savage, racist, drug-dealing monsters are embraced as worthy NAYOYO allies because they have NO LOCAL support. These collaborators know their lives and future depend on following CIA instructions.

Abraham Lincoln, “If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its authors.”

Isaac Asimov (1920 – 1992): “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that your ignorance is just as good as my knowledge.”

Befree

The Macaroni “we are not at war with Russia”, adding “that Europe’s duty is to “stand with Ukraine to achieve a ceasefire, then build peace.”

Oh Fructosian one, the thunderous hypocrisy is hard to bear, even for a politically hardened stomach such as mine. After having your ass handed to you after trying to assist the Ukie Nazies in genociding Russian speakers you guaranteed the Minsk accords then proceeded to up the ante by entrenching the Ukronazies against the Ukrainian Russian speakers. And now, with your ass being handed to you yet again, you snivel.

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reflection

Politicians are professional liars, any time they sound conciliatory they are preparing to stab you in the back.

James Brown

Riddle me this. People in west are weird. They well know their politicians are professional liars. They see it clearly, at personal level, with disparities between words vs reality in domestic politics and policies. Yet, when comes to international affairs, that are not so readily visible at personal level, they defer to, and consume, the western politician’s bunk, and the western MSM’s regurgitating of it!

Azov trash

“Western Military Strategy For Ukraine Changes For Conciliatory Tone”

because the rising Inflation and Ecenomic collapse destroys the West especially the bankrupt USA thats the only reason .

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Frantisek

Ukrainians are comparing EU-Poland to Oligarch-Russia. The result according latest gallup: 91% want to join EU.

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hunter bidé lab pork !

a rato rat parazite talking is like satan telling visions of nice nazis !!!!

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jorge

Occident is collapsing.

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James Brown

Macron is a Rothschild toy, cant be trusted, he will just always follow along with the loudest voice in the room. Austin has blatantly called for full hybrid war against Russia. Usual Neo-Con zero sum game – of keep on doubling down. But Russia is obviously winning, so now US suddenly hints for some breathing space, to try and regroup the Ukrainian forces. Nope, too late, Austin-Blinken-Stoltenberg, you all wanted to play the zero sum game, so now you’ve got to play on, with the losing hand you hold.

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Emrisrex

Ukraine simply cannot win, anyone that thinks they can needs their heads read.

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Boggs

They don’t need to win. They just need Russia to lose. lol

Stephan Williams

Russia isn’t going to lose. Not this time.

Clubofinfo

I think the biggest reason Ukraine will lose the war is because this isn’t the war they trained for. They trained to ambush Russian supply lines, which we saw successfully done near Kiev. That is no longer happening. Now all these ambush teams are just being put on the front line, where they are killed by artillery. Meanwhile, Ukraine’s own supply situation is bad because they are vulnerable to strikes on any concentrated supplies or forces, making the conventional war Russia has successfully forced on them unwinnable. Ukraine cannot use massed artillery or concentrated air power and Russia can, and this fact cannot change without direct NATO intervention. Ukraine is being forced to use up all its guerrilla forces in a frontline defence, the units are being killed performing a role they were not created for. Eventually, Ukraine will have to yield the Donbass or else lose all its able-bodied men in multiple waves of conscription, until it has nothing left to protect Kiev, and eventually the capital will be threatened again. US generals are probably hoping the war can be ended soon and look like a Ukrainian victory due to the skillful use of propaganda, before Ukraine’s defence deteriorates and it is no longer able to defend anything, including Kiev.

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KE5

Agree Kiev expected Russia to sacrifice thousands trying to take Kiev with a death toll that would be self defeating, Russia was fortunate to have the firepower to move away from this situation. The winning move was to control the east on friendly ground and set a defense while using push button weapons on the rest of Ukraine. And thereby force UAF into trench warfare where they could be put in a meat grinder of attrition from Russia’s superior logistics, air power,command structure and weaponry .

opereta

Zelensky = The Ukrainian Imbeciligence (SBU) “evacuated” the Azov elements in Azovstal straight to Russian Prisons………so Ukraine is winning (in number of Prisoners of War or POWs)

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gfy

Ceasefire = Time for the US and Germany to re-arm the Ukrainian Nazi’s. Germany supporting Nazi(Ukraine) is disgusting. Germany should have been nuked to permently end the Nazi’s during WW2. Maybe it will happen during WW3.

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bluebayeaux

I can see it clearly. Austin: Mr. President, Ukraine is falling, it is now only a matter of days or weeks. Biden: What?? You guys, Nuland, Blinken, Sullivan, you said we were winning! Quick, call Putin and ask for a ceasefire!

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bluebayeaux

Too many ideologues running around in the US government. Nobody can do any strategic thinking. They keep putting the US in lose-lose situations. You wonder if they’re not secretly fifth columnists doing everything possible to destroy the US. I bet Nuland, Blinken, Sullivan are all Russian spies.

JayLindberg

BODY BAGS FOR NAZIS

I have no problem with a prisoner exchange as long as the NAZIs are in body bags.

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JMN

Macron is the most egomaniac person who rules a country. This show of a person can in one day’s difference say one thing and it’s contrary. You cannot trust one word of this small character

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