Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

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Written by Ian Greenhalgh; Originally appeared at Veterans Today

I am of the opinion that we will never know the real details of the Las Vegas Massacre, that we will never know how many shooters were involved, what weapons they used, where they were located, etc etc.

Why? For the simple reason that the FBI has not and will not conduct a proper investigation, furthermore, they will obstruct and derail any legitimate investigations the LVMPD will attempt.

The morning after the shooting, the bodies of the victims have been removed but the sheer amount of detritus left behind is plain to see, and all of this stuff is evidence, all of it should be photographed in situ then tagged, bagged and collected for later forensic analysis.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

The infamous image posted on Liveleak showing the aftermath of the shooting, complete with corpses. It is plain to see that this is a huge crime scene with a colossal ammount of evidence to be collected, studied and analysed.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

An example of a proper crime scene after forensic analysis – every piece of evidence has been marked with a yellow marker, this is what should have been done at the Route 91 Festival grounds.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

An example of a fired bullet recovered from a crime scene in order to be forensically analysed. There must have been hundreds of bullets to be recovered in Las Vegas, but why have we not been shown a single one?

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

FBI agents strolling round the crime scene in Las Vegas, this hardly looks like a thorough forensic crime scene analysis.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

So in the absence of a proper investigation, just what do we have to guide us towards forming at least a viable hypothesis of the real events in Las Vegas?

Precious little, but one piece of analysis work we do have to work with is an excellent piece of Forensic Audio Analysis that I previously wrote about:

Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre

The map diagram below is based on this Forensic Audio Analysis, possible locations for shooters have been marked in yellow:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Here I have marked on the map the three most likely positions for a shooter to have fired from and designated them A, B and C:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

I discounted the positions south of the venue as they do not offer a clear field of fire, being blocked by the stage. I also discounted the fuel tanks due east as they offer only a restricted field of fire.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

The fuel tanks at McCarran after the shooting, closed off as a crime scene because they were allegedly hit by bullets fired from the Mandalay Bay.

Looking north from the front of the stage, the three positions are clearly visible:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Position A – Corner of Hotel

There are a couple of reasons why, after further thought, I don’t think this was one of the gun positions. Firstly, that obelisk is in the way, and secondly, when Jason Aldean and his band ran off stage, they ran to the left of the stage, which would be towards the Mandalay Bay and Luxor; I doubt anyone would run towards the sound of gunfire, far more likely they ran in the opposite direction from where they heard the gunfire coming from. If someone did fire from this location, that obelisk would be pockmarked with bullet strikes from stray rounds, perhaps someone who happens to be passing by the Strip in the near future can take a look at the upper half of the obelisk on the side facing the Luxor and see if there are bullet holes in it.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

This is as close to the corner of the hotel as I could get in Google Earth and there is not getting around it – that obelisk is right in the middle of the target, a shooter in this position could only hit a small part of the crowd, as illustrated by the arc of fire I have drawn on the image.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Position B – Elevated Billboard

This position is due north of the concert venue and offers a clear, unobstructed field of fire from an elevation of roughly 30 feet. The platform of the elevated billboard offers a suitable location to place a bipod mounted machine gun with the shooter lying prone on the platform.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

This is the view from the front of the stage looking north, the billboard is clearly visible.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Zoomed in as much as Google Earth will allow, the clear, unobstructed field of fire is obvious:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

The billboard is next to both an ARCO filling station and an AMPM convenience store, both of which are open 24/7 according to the online info. This means that customers at either would have been within feet of the shooter on the billboard platform. Therefore one has to wonder if the store and the filling station were closed at the time of the shooting. If this was the case, then it strongly suggests the billboard was indeed a shooting position and the businesses were closed in order to keep people away who would have witnessed clearly the gunfire coming from that position.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Position C – Tropicaire Apartments

Tropicaire Apartments
93 E Reno Ave, Las Vegas, NV 89119

https://www.apartments.com/tropicaire-apartments-las-vegas-nv/etcx5vn/

This is a low-rent pretty seamy looking set of small apartments. The property changed hands in July, 2016 for 1.25 million USD, according to this site:

https://www.redfin.com/NV/Las-Vegas/93-E-Reno-Ave-89119/home/29516162

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Google Streetview does not allow you to navigate to the exact corner of the building we are interested in, but I have marked it on the closest view available:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Looking at the apartment building from above, we see it is symmetrical:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

This view from E.Reno Ave is sadly obscured by trees, but I have drawn on a green box that shows the front of the building facing the Route 91 festival.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre AnalysisThis view shows that there would be a clear field of fire as there is nothing in the way other than flat, open parking lots:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre AnalysisThis map view shows the field of fire:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

View from point X back along the line of sight to the Tropicaire:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre AnalysisThe second image above is an enlarged, zoomed-in view and as you can see, there are two red painted doors right at the corner of the building where we suspect a shooter may have been located.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

If a proper forensic investigation was carried out, with every bullet strike located, marked and noted, then the oval pattern of the ‘beaten zone’ of fire from each gun would be clearly seen and the location it fired from pinpointed.

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

I strongly suspect that the shooters used belt-fed machine guns, such as these:

M240/FN MAG in 7.62×51 NATO, with it’s smaller M249/Minimi sibling in 5.56×45 behind it:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre AnalysisThe M240 can also be mounted on a tripod:

 

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Russian PKM equivalent in 7.62x54R, also can be mounted on a tripod:

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

Veterans Today: Las Vegas Massacre Analysis

One little clue that might indicate a tripod mounted machine gun was fired from inside a room at the Tropicaire apartments is that fact that one of the guns heard firing on the audio recordings has a distinct echo – is this echo caused by the fact the gun was inside an apartment, firign through a window or doorway?

This brief analysis is not intended as anything other than a speculative look at a possible scenario and as I stated at the beginning, we will probably never know the real events as there is no proper investigation nor analysis being done. The evidence we need to be more certain abotu what happened is simply not forthcoming and almost certainly never will be.

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  • MEXICANOALATAQUE R

    In this case I don´t think the US Goverment has something to do with it, they would have taken advantage of it in some way and they didn´t. I really think the shooter was a crazy guy who wanted to kill people.

    • FlorianGeyer

      BUT why is there is NO usual forensic work done here ?
      Analysis of the bullets alone would determine whether they were fired from the weapons found in the hotel room.

      Something stinks and little or no attempt has been made to accord with standard US procedures for even a basic firearms related crime scene. It this an FBI attempt to say ‘ We are not involved in this charade ?

      • TiredOfBsToo

        Just like 9/11 was used to set the stage for eternal war, I wonder if the Oligarch class is getting jittery knowing there are so many guns among the population at large. Wasn’t the attempt to remove guns brought up again immediately after (keep in mind that liberties are continuously being removed from citizens)?

      • Störtebembel

        Tja, leider hat sich Dexter Morgan nach Kanada zurückgezogen… Wäre er noch da, würde er natürlich jeden winzigsten Blutspritzer auf das letzte µ zuordnen, keine Frage… So geht halt alles immer mehr den neoliberalen Bach runter… Kostet einfach viel zu viel genau zu sein… ;-)
        Sind wir noch des Geyers schwarzer Haufen? Oder tragen wir silbern glänzende Hüte?
        ;-)

        • FlorianGeyer

          Florian Geyer von Giebelstadt (um 1490 – 10. Juni 1525) war ein deutscher Adliger, Diplomat und Ritter. Während des deutschen Bauernaufstandes war er dafür bekannt, die Arbeiterklasse zu organisieren und zu leiten.

      • RichardD

        The fact that the shooter could have done it by himself doesn’t mean that he did. There’s clearly a cover up going on and the massacre is increasingly looking like a false flag. If the audio showing a steady belt fed automatic firing at the same time compared to an intermittent bump fire slide stock enhanced semi auto is genuine. Then there was more than one shooter and the official government version of events is a lie.

        • FlorianGeyer

          Yes. The FBI ‘investigation’ is about as thorough as the US/UN investigation into the ( False Flag) chemical incident on Khan Sheykun that prompted Trumps failed Cruise missile fiasco !

          • RichardD

            Or 911:

            “9/11 Investigation in Zionist Hands

            Immediately following the 11 September attacks, the Zionist network was methodically maneuvering behind the scenes to quash any legitimate investigation that might reveal what really happened that day. They made it their goal to control any and all angles of so called “investigation” so that they could quickly cover up any and all evidence pointing to Zionist involvement

            All appointed chief judges were Zionist Jews:

            Alvin K. Hellerstein – a judge for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York and has been involved in several high-profile 9/11 related cases including consolidated master case against three airlines, ICTS International NV and Pinkerton’s airport security firms, the World Trade Center owners, and Boeing Co., the aircraft manufacturer. Hellerstein is a dedicated Zionist and Israeli nationalist who has ties to the Jewish mafia dating back to 1956. Hellerstein’s wife is a former senior officer & current treasurer of AMIT. From its website it states: “Founded in 1925, AMIT is the world’s leading supporter of religious Zionist education and social services for Israel’s children and youth, nurturing and educating Israeli children to become productive, contributing members of society.”
            Michael B. Mukasey – This Orthodox Jewish judge oversaw the litigation between Larry Silverstein and insurance companies after 9/11. Silverstein was awarded billions. Mukasey prevented full inquiry into the Five Dancing Israelis incident who were arrested in connection with 9/11. He played a role in their release. He was later appointed attorney general by President Bush. He defended the patriot act, and he supports torture policies.

            Michael Chertoff – In charge of the Criminal Division in the Justice Department on 9/11. Essentially responsible for the 9/11 NON-investigation. He let hundreds of Israeli spies who were arrested prior to and on 9/11 go back home to Israel. He was also a prosecuting judge in the first terrorist attack on the WTC in 1993. Chertoff purportedly holds dual citizenship with the US and Israel. His family is one of the founding families of the state of Israel and his mother was one of the first ever agents of the Mossad, Israel’s spy agency. His father and uncle are ordained rabbis and teachers of the Talmud.

            Kenneth Feinberg – set up the victim’s compensation fund ($7 billion); controlled by a Zionist cabal, it managed to get 97% of the victims’ families to take money in exchange for dropping demands a legal investigation of 9/11.

            Sheila Birnbaum – Another key Zionist involved in the cover-up of 9/11 is Sheila Birnbaum of Skaddan, Arps law firm. Birnbaum was appointed ‘special mediator’ of the legal suits filed by the 3% of families who decided not to be bought off. Nothing of significance has happened with these claims since.

            Benjamin Chertoff – (cousin of Michael Chertoff) – Ben wrote the 9/11 hit piece in Popular Mechanics claiming to “debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories”. His use of ridiculous straw-man arguments largely discredits the piece though it is still widely quoted by defenders of ‘the official narrative’. He claims his relation to Michael Chertoff is “distant” but Chris Bollyn proves otherwise.

            Stephen Cauffman – Leader of NIST investigations which in total amount to a systematic coverup of the WTC 7 collapse. The NIST position remains that fire, together with minor damage caused by ‘ejected debris’ from the collapse of the North Tower situated a block away with WTC building 8 in between, brought down WTC building 7.

            9/11 Commission: Zionist controlled

            Philip Zelikow (Dual Citizen US / Israel) – 9/11 Commission Gatekeeper
            Zelikow was appointed the executive director of the 9/11 commission – the most powerful position of the committee. This Zionist Jew is responsible for concocting the contrived fiction that was presented as the 9/11 Commission Report – official narrative. The report contains hundreds of glaring anomalies, contradictions, omissions and downright falsehoods. It even manages to omit any reference at all to the collapse of Building 7 at 5:20 pm.”

            https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it#All_appointed_chief_judges_were_Zionist_Jews:

      • 888mladen .

        Very sloppy work. They don’t care because they are fully in control. No need to hide anything.

    • 888mladen .

      Somebody is crazy here? You guess who.

  • John Whitehot

    wonder when we’ll get a piece on the Niger ambush.

  • eric zweistein

    There are thousands of interesting analyses of the Las Vegas psyop alone on YouTube. The one here presented by more-than-dubious VeteransToday is not among them.

  • BL

    The event happened right in front of a Freemasonic Obelisk monument, a Freemasonic Sphinx statue, and a Freemasonic Pyramid structure complete with an illuminated capstone resembling an all seeing eye. Just a (((Cohen-cidence))) I’m sure:

    http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/mandalay-shooter-previous-concert-epa-ps2-171002_12x5_992.jpg

    http://c8.alamy.com/comp/AX5FCR/exterior-night-sphinx-replica-and-the-space-beam-main-entrance-to-AX5FCR.jpg

    http://www.light-of-truth.com/images/largeeye.gif

    http://www.freedom-ministries.com/images/products/large_523_0093_15.gif

  • 888mladen .
  • Elisabeth Jenders

    Norwegian investigative journalist Ole Dammegard on Las Vegas shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=544&v=1wvLt2iSO-k/

  • RichardD

    Ian has done a 180 degree about face from it being a staged event using crisis actors to being a false flag with multiple shooters.

    VT has been taking down my comments exposing Jew crime and evil.

  • RichardD

    The problem that I have with the official version of events from the Las Vegas massacre are the sound tracks showing at least two shooters. A full auto with a steady rate of fire and what sounds like an enhanced semi auto with an uneven rate of fire. Shooting at the same time from what sounds like two different directions.

    Also there’s no video of muzzle fire coming from the shooters window. Even with a 90% flash reduction using a flash suppressor. At night with a high rate of fire there would probably be something visible that could be captured on camera. And I haven’t seen anything.

    And the government is suppressing almost all of the evidence from the investigation, which is suspicious. And is ignoring the audio showing more than one shooter.

  • M9 LEAFY

    Someone predicted the massshooting on 4chan https://www.snopes.com/4chan-user-prediction-las-vegas-shooting/ read this

  • RichardD

    I don’t know what brought down the WTC on 911. But I agree with Dr. Wood that it’s some type of sequestered energy technology that rather than being used for the betterment of humanity. Is being used instead to terrorize it. The Las Vegas massacre is increasingly looking like a false flag by the criminally insane Jew world order that has obtained control of the US:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlkZLlzOfVQ

  • RichardD
  • RichardD

    The endless war, deprivation and conflict on our planet isn’t going to be resolved until the Jew tag team of terror, Jewmerica and Israel, is dealt with. The way to resolve this problem is to outlaw the evil Jew pedophile cult that rapes 1,000 babies every week to create a Jew free future for humanity.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V5f97M0GqU8/hqdefault.jpg

  • adzsiam

    Its a ‘John F. Kennedy more-than-one-shooter’ theory that’s quite possible.

  • -Q-

    I agree with the first section of this article, but it goes down hill fast when it then relies on the so-called ‘forensic acoustic proof’ video from Mike Adams.
    That video from Mike Adams has been thoroughly debunked, and the key points are as follows:
    1. Different lag times do not necessarily indocate a second shooting location since they may indicate two weapons firing from the same location but at different ranges.
    2. To determine any range information from audio recordings, the position of the recording device in relation to the firing point and impact point must be known and accounted for, which it obviously isnot. For example, the results would be very different if the recording was made mid way between the points from if it was made nearer the impact point, and so on.

  • Randy Wyzard

    It was all faked. Show me proof of any dead or real wounded. I only seen proof of fake actors and fake reporters and fake witnesses.

    • Randy Wyzard

      I showed all the proof of that.