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US-Chinese Tension: Enouncter Between Chinese And US Warships In South China Sea

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US-Chinese Tension: Enouncter Between Chinese And US Warships In South China Sea

USS Decatur. FILE IMAGE: Diana Quinlan/US Navy/Reuters

On September 30th, Arleigh Burke guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur (DDG-73) had an encounter with a Chinese warship, with the two vessels being as close as 45 yards to one another, according to US Navy officials.

At about 8:30 a.m. local time, Decatur was conducting freedom of navigation operations (FONOps) in the vicinity of Gaven Reef in the South China Sea. China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) Luyang-class destroyer approached Decatur, which was operating within 12 nautical miles of the Gaven and Johnson Reefs in the Spratly Islands, Cmdr. Nathan Christensen, a U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesman was cited by Usni News.

“The (People’s Republic of China) PRC destroyer conducted a series of increasingly aggressive maneuvers accompanied by warnings for Decatur to depart the area. The PRC destroyer approached within 45 yards of Decatur’s bow, after which Decatur maneuvered to prevent a collision,” Christensen said.

“At approximately 0830 local time on September 30, a PRC LUYANG destroyer approached USS DECATUR in an unsafe and unprofessional maneuver in the vicinity of Gaven Reef in the South China Sea,” said Capt. Charlie Brown, a U.S. Pacific Fleet Spokesman. The Chinese Navy “destroyer conducted a series of increasingly aggressive maneuvers accompanied by warnings for DECATUR to depart the area,” Brown added.

“The PRC destroyer approached within 45 yards of Decatur’s bow, after which Decatur maneuvered to prevent a collision,” said Brown.

Decatur’s route passed near the artificial islands China has constructed in the South China Sea. The islands are not recognized by international law. In July 2016, the UN International Tribunal in the Netherlands ruled that China has no right of claim over the South China Sea and the artificial islands are illegal, however Chinese President Xi Jinping said that the country would not comply with the decision and the UN body has no right to meddle in Chinese affairs.

Decatur has previously crossed paths with Chinese destroyers in the South China Sea. Two years ago, a Luyang-class destroyer observed Decatur operating near Chinese holdings near Triton and Woody Islands in the Paracel Islands, which China calls Xisha. At the time, a Chinese Ministry of Defense release complained Decatur violated China’s sovereignty.

“US Forces operate in the Indo-Pacific region on a daily basis, including the South China Sea. As we have for decades, our forces will continue to fly, sail and operate anywhere international law allows. All operations are designed in accordance with international law and demonstrate that the United States will fly, sail and operate wherever international law allows. That is true in the South China Sea as in other places around the globe,” according to Christensen, referring to the most recent freedom of navigation operations.

At the same time, the Wasp Amphibious Ready Group (ARG) with embarked 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) is also operating in the South China Sea. The ARG/MEU recently completed a Defense of the Amphibious Task Force (DATF) drill at sea, including live firing crew-served weapons from USS Wasp (LHD-1).

“The DATF rehearsal demonstrated the full integration of Marine Corps and Navy capabilities showcasing the intensity of joint firepower available to defend Wasp, and our forces, in a wide range of combat situations,” Col. Robert Brodie, the commanding officer of the 31st MEU, said in a statement. “Our ironclad Blue-Green partnership allows us to continuously hone our lethality through training and exercises, in preparation for any operation.”

This all follows the flight of B-52 bombers above the South China Sea on September 25th. Beijing’s response was jet fighters and bombers from the Chinese military carried out live-fire exercises over the same area. Aircraft from the Southern Theater command of the People’s Liberation naval air force conducted “live fire shooting drills” at a sea range in the South China Sea, according to the People’s Daily official newspaper, which released photos from a broadcast by state-run CCTV.

All of these developments are part of sharp escalations that began with the US-initiated trade war with China and have now spilled in other areas of interest, such as strategical objectives. According to an unnamed US official, China has cancelled the annual diplomatic and security dialogue planned for mid-October. The reason was supposedly that there was no senior Chinese military official available to meet with US Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis.

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  • as

    They should call them the operation provocateurs.

    • Nexusfast123

      Operation Stupid

  • NWOD

    Whatever can be said about illegal US wars, the US, or anyone else, has every right to navigate in international waters. This is just a preview of China’s bullying and aggressiveness and the tyranny that will reign the world if China ever becomes a military superpower.

    If the US had any brains we would impose 500% tariffs on everything from China and reclaim our industrial base. Unfortunately the Bolsheviks that rule the US want to destroy the US and empower China. That is bad for the whole world.

    • Nexusfast123

      You’re an idiot. The US has no brains. The US has probably directly and indirectly killed 20m since the end of WW2. I’m happy to try China.

      • NWOD

        Ooh, ad hominem attacks, how sweet!

        About 20 m, let me take this number as true. But that whole time US was most powerful country on the planet. On the other hand, at the same time, very weak China has killed about 50 million – of its own people mainly.

        You can live under the Han Commie boot all you want – I never will. No matter what happens China will never invade US. But feel free to move there and live under Chinese rule, I don’t care even a little bit.

        • John

          Calm down there cowboy. Making your points with hysteria, does make you appear to be another idiot that rambles around the blogs. For example, you mentioned a fallacy but, turn around and used it yourself when you wanted. That is unconsciousness is full display.

          It’s China’s part of the world. The US lives a long way off. A bit of respect for the locals goes a long way. I bet Chinese warships will be coming a lot closer than 45 yards in the near future, if the game continues to be played by the US et al. My take.

          • NWOD

            You’re the hysterical insulter, your commie buddy is the ad hominem guy.

            No, it’s not China’s part of the world, it’s international waters. Period. The point where China is harassing US is, hmm – Spratly Islands – 1,200 km from China. The exclusive zone is 12 miles – 12 miles – let me repeat, 12 MILES, not 1,200 KILOMETERS.

            Nobody is respecting China’s aggressive attempt to take over the China Sea from all its neighbors. Too bad for you, commie boy.

          • as

            Guam, Hawaii, Gibraltar, Puerto Rico, Falkland, Canada etc

            There’s a lot of reference it could happen and there’s no reason they couldn’t do so. For the most part they only need to enforce them with force of arms.
            I agree these kinds of overreaching projection is empirical which make them not better than anglozionist but then again who could enforce equal prohibition to these practices ?

          • NWOD

            Guam, Hawaii, etc. are real islands. Nobody is disputing that real islands have an exclusion zone. The problem with Chinese sand piles is they are not islands, and an international court has ruled so, just in case there was any doubt. (And the complaint was brought by the Phillipines, not US.)

            Bottom line is what China is doing is illegal and US will not stop using international waters. Maybe one day when US is very weak and China is very strong it can impose its will and stop US from doing so – no doubt it will, because, as I said, if China ever becomes the world’s sole superpower, it will make the days of US rule seem like a true paradise.

          • as

            Oh have the international court ever ruled in favor od the China or Russia ? Or Indonesia perhaps ? Lol.
            And what you don’t know how large these ‘dunes’ is. You don’t know very much about them.

          • NWOD

            Actually I know more about them than you can ever know. I actually paid attention to the court case as it was going on. Stop projecting your ignorance.

          • as

            Yes and what the Philippines claim was ? China’s claim on them were as old as China as a state were.

          • NWOD

            I’m not summarizing a complex case, I have better things to do with my time – you can search the internet and find all the arguments, and laws, online. I haven’t read through his summary, but a scan shows it’s probably pretty decent, you can get a start at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands_dispute

          • as

            Look I’ve read them and i have also read the Chinese own version of them. The point is the international court will never in favor to their cases as was what already happened before in Taiwan. International court will never in favor of the west rivals.

          • NWOD

            That’s blatantly false. E.g. the UN has repeatedly ruled against Israel, and would have done more so but for the US repeated use of a veto.

            I have reviewed the applicable treaty myself and it is quite obvious that China is wrong both about the sand dunes and the islands that it may have once owned, some 5 centuries ago, but lost in the interim. We can’t all go back to borders from 500 years ago (except for Israel, and yes, that is a true crime against the Palestinians (which btw does not benefit US one bit, it’s actually a huge liability, but as I’ve said, US is ruled by Bolshevik traitors), I make no excuses for it, but that does not justify what China is doing either.)

            Enough for me, good night.

          • as

            Then were anything have been enforced against Israel ? No. Sanctions ? No. Military intervention ? No. How about kicking Israel out of the UN like what happened to Indonesia ? Again no. Well ?

          • Antikapitalista

            Well, at least the Chinese made the islands themselves, and peacefully at that, unlike the Murricans, who invaded Hawaii and looted Guam in a war started by them on false pretexts (like usual).

        • Barba_Papa

          A: I’d hardly call China still communist. It’s communist in name only. Economically its more capitalist then most capitalist countries.

          B: As long as China only kills its own people then I’m not worried for the future. So far China’s international record looks good. No constant wars, but trade seems to be China’s MO. Half of Africa is already learning Chinese because China is building up roads, schools, hospitals there and investing heavily in the continent.

          As for China throwing its weight around in the South China seas, its real estate next to it, its a major trading route essential to the Chinese economy, so it makes perfect sense for China to want to control it, just like it makes perfect sense for Russia to control what goes on next to its borders. And for why the US has been utterly dominating EVERYTHING that goes on in the America’s. After all, how many US military interventions have there been into Latin American countries?

          • NWOD

            Economically its more capitalist then most capitalist countries.” In some ways arguably, in other ways not (state sector is still massive). But politically it is good old Communist – totalitarian, no individual rights, dictatorship.

            As long as China only kills its own people then I’m not worried for the future.” Han are super-nationalistic. Hence they are much much much more willing to kill non-Han, than Han. The fact that they can kill 50 million Han, and still worship the man who did it (yes Mao is still worshipped like a God), means, once they have the power (which they didn’t have before), you will see they will kill 1 billion non-Han with no remorse whatsoever. People who kill 50 million of their own for, really, nothing, these are dangerous people. If Germany worshipped Hitler, who I would also submit was less murderous than Mao, and was gaining a lot of power, you might feel the way I do about China.

            it makes perfect sense for Russia to control what goes on next to its borders“. Not at all. It makes sense for China to be able to defend it, so that it can’t be excluded from there, but it is China trying to exclude the US from there. This means China wants also to be able to prevent other countries – US, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, etc. – from trading in that area. That of course makes sense to China, but America will not permit it. Sorry, Illegal. Immoral. Wrong. Unacceptable.

            After all, how many US military interventions have there been into Latin American countries?” Yes but China is able to ship through the Panama Canal without being harassed, and is able to do trade with South America without being harassed. Amazing, huh?

          • Barba_Papa

            >>Hence they are much much much more willing to kill non-Han, than Han. The fact that they can kill 50 million Han, and still worship the man who did it (yes Mao is still worshipped like a God), means, once they have the power (which they didn’t have before), you will see they will kill 1 billion non-Han with no remorse whatsoever. People who kill 50 million of their own for, really, nothing, these are dangerous people. If Germany worshipped Hitler, who I would also submit was less murderousthan Mao, and was gaining a lot of power, you might feel the way I do about China.<>Not at all. It makes sense for China to be able to defend it, so that it can’t be excluded from there, but it is China trying to exclude the US from there. This means China wants also to be able to prevent other countries – US, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, etc. – from trading in that area. That of course makes sense to China, but America will not permit it. Sorry, Illegal. Immoral. Wrong. Unacceptable.<> Yes but China is able to ship through the Panama Canal without being harassed, and is able to do trade with South America without being harassed. Amazing, huh?<<

            As you may have noticed the Panama Canal is no longer under US control, it's now Panamanian. And I can guarantee you pretty much that if China were to sign a deal with Panama, or most other Latin American countries to set up a military base there Washington would go apeshit. The list of US military interventions goes back way into the 19th century and includes more then just Panama and Grenada. The US basically overturned and meddled with any Latin American democracy that it disliked, and the most brutal military juntas were supported, trained and outfitted by the US, as long as they did its bidding.

            As a general rule of thumb, ANYTHING the US, or the West in general, accuses others of doing, it itself has done ten times worse. Or is even doing it still today. So color me unimpressed with your arguments.

          • NWOD

            Trying to control its international shipping routes is perfectly normal behavior for a major power. The British did, Brittannia rules the waves, the US does it, why is China suddenly the bad guy?

            You must have misread what I typed. Controlling the sea is one thing, harassing other nations’ ships in peacetime – i.e. trying to establish an exclusive zone in international waters – is completely different. If you can’t recognize that distinction, it’s pointless for us to continue discussing anything as we live in two entirely different worlds.

            Just look at how much of a personal insult the US has taken at Cuba going communist and the USSR having a base there. They were willing to plunge the world intoWW3 over it.

            lol, “having a base there”. You mean placing lots of nuclear weapons there. Are you intentionally being disingenuous?

            As you may have noticed the Panama Canal is no longer under US control, it’s now Panamanian.

            Yes, US gave it back. My point was, US allows China to navigate in international waters wherever it wants, in response to someone (you) claiming China is doing nothing different from what US does. Are you again being intentionally disingenuous, or what is your point?

            And I can guarantee you pretty much that if China were to sign a deal with Panama, or most other Latin American countries to set up a military base there Washington would go apeshit.

            So now you are speculating? No doubt it would oppose the move, but the question here is, would it harass the ships heading there, assuming the host country welcomed the base? I doubt it very much, but we’re both speculating, Let’s stick to facts, shall we?

            So color me unimpressed with your arguments.

            I don’t care any more than I would care if a goldfish was unimpressed with my arguments :).

          • Barba_Papa

            >>You must have misread what I typed. Controlling the sea is one thing, harassing other nations’ ships in peacetime – i.e. trying to establish an exclusive zone in international waters – is completely different. If you can’t recognize that distinction, it’s pointless for us to continue discussing anything as we live in two entirely different worlds.<>lol, “having a base there”. You mean placing lots of nuclear weapons there. Are you intentionally being disingenuous?<>Yes, US gave it back. My point was, US allows China to navigate in international waters wherever it wants, in response to someone (you) claiming China is doing nothing different from what US does. Are you again being intentionally disingenuous, or what is your point?<>So now you are speculating? No doubt it would oppose the move, but the question here is, would it harass the ships heading there, assuming the host country welcomed the base? I doubt it very much, but we’re both speculating, Let’s stick to facts, shall we?<>I don’t care any more than I would care if a goldfish was unimpressed with my arguments :).<<

            Finally something we can both agree upon.

          • NWOD

            Well, suffice to say I disagree with most everything you wrote. But won’t waste time rsponding. Happy goldfishing! :)

          • as

            The harassment happened to Military ships not civilian ship. They happen to be on “freedom of navigation” operations in the shipping line so tell me why these freedom of navigation operations can’t be considered as harassment to the ship using the shipping line ?

          • NWOD

            What harassment? They don’t interfere with any shipping. Freedom of navigation is just saying, “I have the right to be here”. That’s it, the only harrassment is coming from Communist China.

          • as

            They are there in the international shipping line a full operations (and military) they did in waters that heavily used by China ships and their relationship weren’t very nice. They could claim it was harassment and they would have the right to ensure that these harassment go away. Simple.

          • NWOD

            Those waters are heavily used by lots of ships, including US commerical ships.

            Not sure why I’m arguing with you, your point is asinine. Even if 99% of the ships there were Chinese – which they clearly are not – that doesn’t mean China can block any other ships from there. Plus the South China Sea is huge, and there’s not just one shipping lane. And the shipping lanes in the ocean are many and extremely wide.

            And if US navy ships were in fact harassing China merchant ships, you would have a point. But they’re not, so pardon me if I don’t spend more time on this thread :).

          • as

            China can block belligerent military ships. They can block military ships.

          • NWOD

            Then US will sink them. That’s fine by me.