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The situation remains tense along all the front lines in Donbass.
After the head of the Wagner PMC addressed Ukrainian President Zelensky calling to allow the withdrawal of the unprofessional units who are now fighting in the city of Bakhmut, the Kiev regime is yet to make any official steps and declare the retreat of the Ukrainian military.
The city is almost surrounded. Only one road leading to Chasov Yar may be used for the transfer of Ukrainian forces; but it remains under heavy Russian artillery fire and any movement along this road is very risky.
In recent days, numerous videos shared by Ukrainian soldiers confirmed that a lot of Ukrainian groups began leaving the besieged city. Some of them attempt to escape via the fields to the south-west of the city. Meanwhile, the number of Ukrainian military columns, which were destroyed when attempting to withdraw along the last road remaining under Ukrainian control, has grown in recent days as well.
While the Kiev officials only admit “some deterioration of the situation in the area of Bakhmut and claim sending of additional forces there to repel Russians”, Ukrainian military sources as well as the Western media admitted that Russian Wagner fighters have already destroyed the most combat-ready units of the Ukrainian Army in Bakhmut.
Wagner sources shared the videos confirming that there are a lot of unprofessional soldiers left in the city, including young boys and elderly people, who do not survive long in the heavy battles for Bakhmut.
According to unconfirmed reports, the Ukrainian military began withdrawal of some of its most precious units, while their retreat is covered by untrained fighters from the territorial defense.
For example, on March 5, at least two Ukrainian groups that attempted to leave Bakhmut through the village of Krasnoe were destroyed by Wagner fighters. In total, up to 30 Ukrainian soldiers were reportedly killed and more than 60 wounded.
On the outskirts of Bakhmut, Ukrainian forces are still holding their positions in Krasnoe, Bogdanovka, and Hromovo. They are fiercely fighting in an attempt to allow the retreat of other units before the cauldron is closed.
At the same time, the Russian assault continues in the city. At least 20 Ukrainian strongholds were reportedly captured over the past weekend.
The advance of Russian forces continues in all directions in the besieged city. So far, about 40% of Bakhmut has reportedly came under Russian control.
assad is leaking apostacy since running to orthodox khazarian russia
Orthodox Khazarian. You were a special fruitcake in school, right?
I’m still waiting for the review of his Icecapades – Weak Turkish Gays on Ice Banged by jewish Greeks
I thought Bakhmut was surrounded? How is Ukraine able to reinforce Bakhmut with its special forces if Bakhmut was surrounded by Wagner? Alex Mercouris mentioned yesterday that Wagner had control of around 40 percent of Bakhmut. So after 10 months of fighting the Wagner is still months away from taking Bakhmut it seems. Or no? What am I missing here? Anyone?
Why lose a good thing? Taking Bakhmut slowly has allowed the UAF to lose thousands upon thousands of soldiers and equipment. Their constant need to hold onto the city resulted in losses unseen in any single front of this conflict. The Russians are happy to let them leave and enter upon heavy fire. Equipment will be destroyed by aviation and artillery as it attempts to flee or reinforce the city. Soldiers are shot and captured. The Wagners are apparently not able to take prisoners in sufficient quantities now as they have so many. They offered and ultimatum to surrender and if not followed then those who fail to abide are subject to the inevitable.
Sorry I don’t see things the way you do. Prigozhin already stated that the majority of the men fighting in Bakhmut are 16 and 60 year old conscripts. I don’t know about you but slaughtering thousands of 16 year olds unnecessarily while Russia can end the war in a week or 2 by bombing the living fuck out of Ukraine’e electrical grid and railways is tantamount to complicity by Russia in the genocide of Ukrainian teenagers. You could continue to support Russia’s WW1 artillery tactics without questioning their motives, not me.
Hee! Grandads and teenage boys…. and who said the Ukie regime don’t use civilians as human shields 😄
Many errors; 1. UA and RU use more or less the same artillery tactics. 2. 16 or 60!?… if they carry a rifle and try to shoot Russian soldiers they are active soldiers. 3. It´s not a crime to bomb infrastructure if it is used by the military – and US does it in all their many wars.
Yes they are now in those age groups. Before they weren’t. These people would die either way as the those in Kiev and Washington don’t want to stop fighting yet. These people are forced to fight. Also remember that combat draws from all ages. If Ukrainian people wanted to they could rise up. Until then ukriane will kill off its population. A combatant is a combatant regardless of age. Child soldiers have been used for hundreds of years. Where was your complaints about the old and the young fighting in Donbass from 2014 to now? No comments? Most of the fighting was done by men in the late 40s and early 50s. There was even several groups of grandpa soldiers fighting. The end result is if Ukraine didn’t want to lose thir kids they shouldn’t send them to this front. They do so because they need their political good soldiers to maintain the peace in the west
Looks like I was wrong about you, you’re another blind follower who can’t think for himself and cannot differentiate truth from deception. And don’t put fucking words in my mouth that I didn’t care about the suffering of the people of the Donbass.. I have been following Patrick Lancaster in the Donbass since the beginning of the war in 2014. Don’t fucking cross the line because we disagree. Keep it respectful or you put me in war mode and this is what you’ll get from me going forward.
By the way you’re one of the people here I have learned the most from and I appreciate your info and knowledge but in the past 4 months or so things have changed, Russia has stopped taking this SMO seriously and now teenagers and 60 year olds are getting slaughtered by artillery shell. Russia has to change its tactics, they cannot allow Zelensky to remain in power for another 3-4 years, its inconceivable.
War is not pretty it is kill or be killed.. soldiers are taught to kill them all and let their god sort them out. Biden and the EU is killing them with their support of Zelensky and they know it.
You can´t see the age of soldiers in a e.g. hostile mortergroup – if they bomb your soldiers, u aut. return the fire
The problem is if they attack the head of state, it opens up similar actions across other states. For example, Syria Iraq Iran. Decapitation strike. Until now, coups and invasions strongly relied on using local fighters to kill the enemy heads of state to not have such blame or precedent. The currently operations are also pitting massive strain on the west. Don’t forget the sheer numbers of resources lost by the west. The amount of money being spent by the west is literally hundreds times more than Russia’s. One Bakhmut falls there may be a change of course. The defense line will fall to the next one. The norther push may start shortly and a souther collapse. This would push to the Dnieper and force some negotiations or the bombing you said earlier.
Who said anything about attacking the head of any state? When did I say that? Never mind Central seriously you turned out to be another follower wannabe armchair General Zhukov who lacks the capacity to analyze situations without having someone do the thinking for you. I have nothing else to tell you nor do I give a dam what you have to say since its going to be some regurgitated inaccurate misinformation.
Whereas you’re sitting in your Situation Room with real time intelligence about the Russian and Ukrainian forces. You’re now the most absurd poster on the SF comment board. What does that say about you? “Don’t fucking cross the line because we disagree. Keep it respectful or you put me in war mode and this is what you’ll get from me going forward.”
How can so much derp be packed into one individual?
You are so wrong pointing out secondary planning as main objective here… This is a perfect example on how easy you can be so wrong and be so sure your wrong answer is correct…. They dont take out Head of State directly because USA is in Liberal Radical mode since 1990, they use their own country people and try to put the Goverment they wanted to overthrow in odds with them… they created the environment were their own people killed Gaddafi on the streets in Lybia, they wanted to do the same on Syria or in Iran…
@CentralAsianStudies… also you cannot kill the Head of State because people will see the Reality that you are an Empire from Outside who are forcing these changes to Slave their country and in on the aftermath will use your Multinationals to sack all their resources… Nietzsche said the secret thoughts and actions rules the World of the Naive or the Sheeps so thats why every Goverment is pretending since WWII and now they Pretend more than ever…
IN Afghanistan retreat by USA only mean USA is changing mode from Liberal Radicalism to a new Hybrid Mode of Warfare with a new set of Strategies in the Region, in every Region they have different approachs. By now you must investigate what strategies they are using in your Region of the World…
good points CentralAsianStudies. But eventually the optics look bad if there is standstill, so you have to show territory progress. Important for morale of the forces in particular. So Bakhmut has probably serviced the purpose you explain and it is time to move on to another town / Cauldron.
Destroy the professional army, allow the kids and grandpas to leave.
I think they left the door open on purpose so ukranian forces can get out maybe they still have human shield civilans also
Russians have learnt that they do not need to close encirclement.
1. If they do, then they have a lot of arrogant Nazis they need to feed in POW camps and waste a lot of resources to build, keep, staff and maintain POW camps. That is what happened in Mariupol.
2. Chauldrons work as encirclements anyways. Hohols have only forward gear. They never repent, they never admit their mistakes, they never retreat, they never admit being wrong.
“When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.” Sun Tzu
And never interrupt him while he is making a mistake.
A golden bridge.
Have you ever hear that a animal surrounded without escape would fight to the end. If you leave one possibility of a door open the animal would move and try to escape… leave one door open, great strategy!
I get shelling anything going in, but if they want their enemy to withdraw it seems counterproductive to shell convoys leaving, that only removes hope that they can get out. I understand not wanting heavy equipment leaving in these convoys though, so it makes sense to do the Israeli thing: Drop thousands of leaflets showing a corridor you’re willing to let people withdraw through and what equipment they should leave behind, then give orders to NOT shell conforming travellers.
Russia’s entire SMO as of late makes absolutely zero sense. So Russia had a massive conscription, has 1,500 fighter jets sitting idly doing nothing, thousands of the most advanced cruise and ballistic missiles on the planet and instead they choose to use WW1 artillery combat? Then they wonder why NATO keeps disrespecting them, launching terrorist attacks into Russian territory and sending massive amounts of weapons and ammunition from Poland into Ukraine through the untouched railways. I’m not buying it. I supported Russia’s SMO until they stopped bombing Kiev’s electrical grid.
1/2: It’s easy for us here to say things like “Russia should be bombing Ukraine back to the 1700s” and “Russia needs to attack Ukraine’s government infrastructure” or in the more extreme cases talk about nukes and carpet bombing and while Russia certainly could do any and all of these things what happens in the aftermath? What are they going to do when the time comes to end the war and rebuild Ukraine? Is NATO going to pay for it? Would the Ukrainian people ever forgive the Russians? Would Russia benefit at all in such a post-war environment?
Nothing that you wrote is what I suggested at all! I never said bomb Ukraine back to the 1700s nor did I say bomb Ukraine’s government infrastructure. I clearly and very clearly typed bomb Ukraine’s railways and trains to cut NATOs umbilical cord to the Zelensky regime and bomb Ukraine’s energy infrastructure to target Ukraine’s electrical grid, internet, gps tracking etc. I know exactly what I wrote brother, and it’s nothing at all of what you typed.
And what do you think will be left of Ukraine if Russia has to destroy every single town with artillery like Mariupol, Ugledar, Bakhmut???? Furthermore what do you think will be left of Ukraine in 4 years if Zelensky is allowed to stay in power for that long?
The Ukrainian people are wishing to God that Russia overthrow the Zelensky regime immediately because their little teenage sons are being kidnapped and forcefully thrown on the front lines to be killed within 4 hours. Imagine how many more Ukrainian teenagers will be slaughtered if Russia allows Zelensky to remain in power for another 4 years.
2/2: That’s pretty much what it boils down to, Russia has to live with whatever state Ukraine is in when the combat ends. It’s also worth noting from a military (and to a lesser degree political/military-political) standpoint that there is nothing better than an active conflict to test your military and related government practices, proceedures, equipment and personell. On top of that, with NATO throwing more and more of their own equipment (if in some ways cut down, tank armour for example) into this conflict, Russia is learning about and developing counters to their real enemy’s equipment and tactics all while draining stocks that NATO can’t replace in good time if at all.
You just made an excellent point. It literally makes absolutely no sense, you are 100 percent correct brother.
But surely any UKR soldiers allowed to leave the city would re-arm and re-join the battles. So why would the Russian army let them go? That wouldn’t make sense, militarily.
Another very good question that you pose, and it’s also blatantly logical. This is why I’ve been questioning the SMO as of late. There are serious and obvious contradictions in Russia’s current strategy which I cannot ignore or overlook. Either there is some kind of in fighting among the ranks which does happen from time to time, or its like Prigozhin said, there are traitors among the ranks.
A war is fought on many levels political,economic,logistical etc etc. The first is to protect the motherland and Ukraine falls somewhere down the list ,I have complete confidence in the current planning which is more complicated than my knowledge of Russia’s internal affairs and something only those with a more complete knowledge could plan.
That is a reasonable answer and it is one that I respect because it has a level of humility which I also share since at this point nothing that Russia is doing makes anymore logical sense to me at the moment. But some people get so offended if I have a different opinion as if they themselves are getting personal updates via Zoom from Putin and Lavrov every afternoon. The truth of the matter is nobody here, no American analyst, nobody knows what Russia is currently doing or has planned.
If Wagner are to be believed (stress “if”) the number of actual soldiers fighting in the city is negligable but lets say they do reinforce other units of the Ukrainian military, the heavy equipment should still be lost to them and they’ll be telling their comrades about how they were spared before, when the time comes, they’ll probably encourage more people to withdraw.
The true believers, who Russia is seeking to destroy, will refuse and stay either to the end or until they’re forced out. It makes perfect military sense to reduce your enemy’s numbers and willingness to fight, the easiest way to do that is to be trustworthy and offer a safe way out (whether to your side or theirs.)
The roads are really muddy right now, so maneuverability is difficult. The Russians wanted to hit them while they were stuck in the mud. Some Ukrainians escaped, others got hit with artillery. The road out is a killing field.
it is a beautiful thing! the cowards who cried “Baxmut holds” run like rabbits.
It don’t make sense militarily but politically it’s very useful. Putin said he only want the Donbass (the heart of the russian speaking people in Ukraine), not the entire country. One of the goals of Russia intervention is to defend DPR and LPR againt Ukrainian army. Most of the Ukrainians aren’t nazis, they have been fooled by NATO and Ukr politicians. By letting them go Putin create a pool of Ukrainian living on the west of the Dniepr who want to end that war. They become political allies.
@Gordon Barlow 1/2: finally it’s a complicated equation. It is also time , which matters ; time , that Russia would lose if they consistently close the cauldron , fight to the end to kill or catch all Ukrainian soldiers , mercenaries , helpers , spies, nazis and other criminals. No doubt , it would double the own casualties , cost much effort , distract the whole Russian offensive and give the enemy the chance to prepare own actions to defeat Russians on other places.
@Gordon Barlow 2/2: By now it is a good compromise: a strategic hub in Donbass (almost) conquered, the second defence line of the Ukros crashed , many thousands of enemy forces eliminated, not only conscripts and older , but also Ukrainian battle hardened, NATO forces and equipment , mercenaries , nazis etc, with relative small own casualties, further gained some positive image for the own people and morale , distracted the Ukros/west from other offensives on the front , gained time to better prepare own next steps , finally of course also lost time with this slow offensive around Bakhmut. The next weeks and months will show if they calculated well.
Maybe… they don´t want the enemie to flee!?…
Certainly actions speak louder than words but it seems a little cynical, don’t you think? Complaining and asking your enemy to stop sending children and elderly to a battlefield and to let them out only to shell any who try to leave yourself.
But then, as I said in the original comment, “If they want” people to withdraw. They wouldn’t be the first people to lie about such matters, they won’t be the last.
I am also military expert—ask any anus
Yeah… And the prisoners recruited by Wagner are very professional right?
Like them or not, the Wagner soldiers are a disciplined formation, including the convicts fighting for their country and hoping to survive 6 months of combat in very difficult situations.
What Wagner? It’s Nevsky’s music. All the so called Occident will enjoy of the colored somethings. Enjoy!
What is in this town that Russia would spend so time much fighting for it ???
Sparkling wine. Lots of it.
heaps of dead nazis of course!! this of course is what was meant by “Denazification” the fact that america must support nazis with material also shows how well “Demilitarization” is working. when no nazis live and no weapons are left to be used, Russia will stop destroying Ukraine. If the people support banderism, they too will be denazified and demilitarized.
why Sawyer and poko molo mock me? my anus has always leakes
Everybody mocks you
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leaking? into the ground under the corpse maybe. I f we speak of movements, they are retreating in small groups. which will be left behind ? Will it be the “Slava” banderea groups who hold like they said they would? or will it be this 70 yr old man and his teenager trench mate that will do the suffering for -ellensky so his neo nazis can escape certain death? This morning AFP “Bakhmut will Fall” Say’s Ukrainian Tank Commander’? even the press now normalizes the massacre of ukraines armed forces in bakhmut. Next up is Chasny Yar -the graveyard of AFU
The Russians made great use of the Bakhmut trap thousands of AFU have been destroyed with the clowns insistence on holding on to the city
2 of the most battle ready battalions reportedly hit in Chasov yar that had retreated fron Artemovsk
2 battalions reportedly destroyed in Chasov yar
How about taking all the people from the territorial defense as POWs? That way, Russia gets an opportunity to talk to them first-hand and maybe sway their position.