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DECEMBER 2021

Ukraine’s Neverending Ideological War

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Ukraine's Neverending Ideological War

Ukrainian radicals light flares during a rally outside the Russian embassy in Kiev, Ukraine March 14, 2020. IMAGE: Reuters / Gleb Garanich

Since the 2014 coup, Ukraine has been remaining in the state of the permanent ideological war with external and internal ‘enemies of the state’ that allow themselves to not declare a full support to the current course of the critical regime and even criticize its actions.

First, Kiev and affilated radical paramilitary groups launched a terror campaign against opposition politicians, journalists, bloggers, activists and even ordniary people that have a point of view alternative to that provided by the regime propaganda. Then, they banned or supressed most of independent local media and banned Russian TV channels that provide another look at the current situation. Six years since the coup, neo-Nazi radicals still attack peaceful activists that do not support actions of Kiev and call for the real fight on corruption, defense of the national interests and the peaceful settlement in the region of Donbass.

According to the official Kiev propaganda, Ukraine is in the state of an open war with Russia. However, Ukraine has never officially declared this (through the Parliament bill or the introduction of a martial law). Ukrainian media outlets describe self-defense forces of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR) as the Russian Army and Russian mercenaries. However, the prisoner swaps between Kiev and the LPR/DPR demonstrate that an overwhelming majority of exchanged people (and returned to the DPR and the LPR) are Ukrainian citizens. A minor part of them are the Russians that came as volunteers to help the DPR and the LPR. While the Russian support to the breakaway republics is not a secret, it remains unclear how after six years of “war with Russia”, Kiev still cannot find Russian soldiers supposedly deployed in eastern Ukraine.

In recent years, the propaganda war also expanded to the religious sphere. With help from the Washington establishment and the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, Kiev created the puppet Orthodox Church of Ukraine, which supports its agressive policy and the neo-liberal narrative that dominates in the West. Nonetheless, now, when it appeared that the project of the ‘independent church’ failed and it’s just a pseudo-church propganda construct, representatives of this organization, like Metropolian Olexandr (Okelsandr Drabinko), call to ban the canonic Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchy) in Ukraine.

The issue with this plan that even if such an unprecedented move is supported and employed by Kiev, it will not lead to any increase of the popularity of the ‘independent’ Ukrainian church. Instead, it will lead to more religious tensions in the country amid the already developing social and economic crisis, and the smoldering civil war. On the other hand, attempts to destabilize the situation in the country and further play into the hand of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that still keeps a notable influence over top members of the current presidential administration, the Parliament and the ‘indpendent church’, which was created during his presidency. According to local Ukrainian sources, the Poroshenko group is now intentionally fueling religious and national tensions in central and western Ukraine in order to exploit the situation to strengthen own positions ahead of the new round of the battle for power within Ukrainian elites.

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Jens Holm

A very biased version. Unfortinatly exact same story can be written the other way around.

The religion version of it is far out. None invented anything. You always has had several Othodox versions there and kept down, forbidden, etc.

As I reacll it as ousider the Old Russian version still has the Byzantine liturgi, which also say, the priest pary in greek.

Nothing strange in that apart from people actually dont understand things, if the speak as people do in Ukraine.

In Denmark we reformed the Catholic Churc 500 years ago. People should under stand the priest in all details. We also translated the bible from Latin to Our local language.

As sekular non religies I anytime prefare locl language used. Its going back using a too foreign languge.

I can add that so man muslims, which has arrived to here, not even can the Choran. Too many could not even read and write their own language. So for the Choran and th rest of Islam, we have translated all to Danish, because we learn all to speak, read and write so they can sommunicate bette with each other and the rest of us.

In princip I therefore support the ones using the local language even I think religion is needed crap and often worse then seklularisme.

I several times has proposed the 2 Russian provinces should be voted home, but as a part of an agreemenet, the Kievs should have compensation. Its partly the same for Krimera.

They are no Ukrainiens bit as a taking back, Kiev also should be compensated well. My peronal oppinion about that also is, that many more Tatars should go back to there if they and many russians should leave. As I recall it the Russian navy in the future will have less marines and more high tech. Therefore it makes space for more Tatars.

occupybacon

Some Russians hope they will conquer more land from Ukraine, that’s why they need to keep the Donbas conflict open. As for the Orthodox church, after the fall of Constantinople, Moscow started to dream they will be the ‘Third Rome’ and rule over other countries churches, just a medieval form of imperialism.

cechas vodobenikov

your medieval fascism is proven by Simmel–a nation of puritanical automatons….”amerika requires a stupefied population”. Christopher Lasch

occupybacon

What’s that, a book for kids with authism?

Gary Sellars

If it was, it would be on your reading table for sure…

occupybacon

Yeah, I have a bunch. Hystory of Russia is the most funny of all.

Harry Smith

It’s not a hope but a strategical necessity. If Ukraine was neutral nobody would care about them, but as they allowed NATO troops on their territory this potential threat has to be eliminated.

occupybacon

It wasn’t happening if Moscow didn’t try to forbid Kiev to free trade with EU.

Gary Sellars

Making a better offer than the crappy EU treaty proposal isn’t “forbidding” Ukropistan anything, but you’re too much of a biased lying cunt to admit it. Yanukovych nixxed the Eurotrash deal cuz it was a stinker, not because of anything Big Bad Vlad might have said.

occupybacon

But little goblin said it.

Harry Smith

Moscow never forbidden Kiev free trade. It was said that in case of free access for EU goods on the Ukrainian territory, the normal fee will be applied for the goods imported from Ukraine.

occupybacon

Putin officially asked Yanukovich to veto it, for many Ukrainians that was an insult, especially when Yanukovich followed the request.

Harry Smith

Hey you are not so stupid to lie so directly. Putin asked Yanukovich to delay the signing of association with EU to solve the fee issue. Yanukovich did not vetoed the signing but delayed it to harmonize Russia-Ukraine-EU customs issues.

occupybacon

I’m not lieing, I will make time to read about it, maybe I remember wrong.

occupybacon

Just opened a few articles, You were right, I apologize. Putin had put more money on the table in the last moment, EU admitted their mistake.

But to be more precise Yanukovych used the term ‘postponed indefinetely’ which is a euphemisme for canceling. Contrary, EU didn’t asked Ukraine to alterate their free trade deal with Russia.

Having to sign it together with the smaller Georgia and Moldova, Ukraine being turned back by Russia, they felt humiliated.

Harry Smith

Yep. Because Yanukovich always was anti-Russian. You can freely find articles about his cooperation with NATO or his disagreements about gas transportation. And he understood too late he was blindly used by EU and USA in their strategical game against Russia because of his Russophobia. More than 40% of Ukrainian export were to Russia and after signing of association with EU export fees had to rise up and not only. Association with EU declared that Ukraine must stop subsidizing gas consumers. All together export fees and rising of cost of production had to lead to industrial suicide of Ukraine. In fact we are witnessing it now.
Yanukovich wanted to find mechanism to keep Russian customs fees at low level. But he was too stupid to understand that he can change nothing and his object and not subject in politics.

Jens Holm

The history books says so. It almost happend. If Tzars had not collapsed in 1917 they would have had Konstantinople as a great help for it.

Maybee Erdogan see Hagga Sofia as some kind of payback in that :(

occupybacon

That’s another ‘if’ like what if Hitler didn’t born. All the empires collapsed. Erdogan spits on EU that’s all, to show the Muslims who is boss. Other than Belarus which European country is rulled by a tyrant?

cechas vodobenikov

more meth is needed

Pave Way IV

Ukrainian elites ==> wood chipper. Problem would have been solved. Trading Russian-Jewish Mafia ass-raping Ukraine for Western-Jewish Mafia to ass-rape Ukraine? FFS – that never works.

How’s that voting and lawmaking thing working out for restoring the will of the Ukrainian people? Yeah, I know – same thing here… people are so f’king stupid sometimes. Makes me tired and sad. I honestly don’t know what I’ll do when the crack cocaine, antidepressants and liquor supplies run out in the U.S. How’s the supply in Ukraine?

Harry Smith

They have horilka (vodka) and pork fat! But to be honest, most of pork fat is imported in Ukraine from Poland and Russia.
But if to be serious, you noticed real similarities in the Ukraine and USA now. I will tell you my opinion about Ukraine and you will decide what is similar to Ukraine and what is not.
For centuries there was a very interesting situation. The region where the Ukrainianism comes from was under the Poles ruling and under the Habsburgs. That region in times of Poles ruling was called “Russian principates”. And to understand the whole situation in the Ukraine we need only to understand situation in there. Well, in that region most of population was pro-Russian but the elites were pro Poland because they earn a lot of money under the Polish protection. There also were so called “signined cossacks” which were cossacks getting salary from Poles and obligated to fight in wars on side of Poland. So in that region a numerous group of people was formed. Those were rich landlords, servants of rich landlords, signed cossacks and their families and those who wanted to become signed cossacks. And while all these people served for Poles they “inherited” from Poles the approach for their own people. So the very interesting situation was formed. Poland was not a rich country so Poles were not able to pay every pro Poland person. So they were paying only a part of the group, while other people were trying to overthrow them to obtain the payments. In the final the Ukrainian ruling elites was formed with a very interesting properties: they hate ordinary Ukrainians but have to pretend they love them just to get to the power, but when they get to the power they start hardly make as much money as they can, because they know ordinary people started to hate them as newcomers stopped to portray they care about ordinary people and that means sooner or later the new group will be brought to the power.
As for ordinary people they always get tricked because their ruling elites are masters of tricking.
Like the nowadays situation. Well known Ukrainian oligarch made his fool to be president while the fool promised to the ordinary people he will put Poroshenko and his team to the jail. It’s almost 2 years after the fool was elected president but only one person was arrested and no changes in the life of ordinary people. All remains like it was with only one little difference: now Kolomoysky’s team is robbing Ukrainians instead of Poroshenko.

FlorianGeyer

Wherever the jew has power, the people are fleeced.
They even fleece other jews.

cechas vodobenikov

ukraine has become a failed nation where only in villages, Liviv do u hear Ukrainian—not in Kiev, donbass, Odessa, Crimea—only Russian, except amongst the 12% Tatars in Crimea (polls show that 65% Tatars support reintegration w Russia, 92-95% of the remainder w Russia)…Ukrainian nazism and stupidity has transformed their nation into a nation of prostitutes—their main export
once a nation w culture and an economy larger than Poland now it is governed by mafias and corrupt oligarchs funded by the USA…since 2014 5 million have immigrated to Russia

occupybacon

Russian ‘polls’

Harry Smith

It was very interesting poll made in Ukraine by some EU organization, as I remember. They made a question list with some simple questions, but made it in Russian and Ukrainian separately. 80% took the Russian questionary.

occupybacon

I get it it’s painful for Russians that Ukraine is the living prove that Russia is not an homogenic nation that wants to live together in the same borders, with any price, but maybe if Moscow had a different attitude towards remote regions, the country would look different.

Harry Smith

What’s wrong with current attitude? What are those “remote regions”?

occupybacon

Moscow doesn’t consider its neighbours as independent countries, RT and Sputnik name ex Soviet republics ‘Russia’ s backyard’. That says a lot and doesn’t contribute to friendship between them and Moscow.

Harry Smith

USA names South America as USA backyard. UK names Balkans EU backyard. So what? Does it hurts you so much?

occupybacon

I’m not aware of this expression used by anyone else.

Harry Smith

Why not? What makes Russia so special for you?

occupybacon

Sorry for my English but I was saying that nobody else publically uses ‘our backyard’ for neighbouring countries. And for someone who call others Imperialists, that’s very hypocrite.

FlorianGeyer

Occupy Bacon lambasts Russia because his job depends on that.

Harry Smith

I think he is Russophob too.

FlorianGeyer

I blocked him a year or more ago.

Harry Smith

Sometimes he is funny. :)

occupybacon

Moscow doesn’t consider its neighbours as independent countries, RT and Sputnik name ex Soviet republics ‘Russia’ s backyard’. That says a lot and doesn’t contribute to friendship between them and Moscow.

occupybacon

Moscow doesn’t consider its neighbours as independent countries, RT and Sputnik name ex Soviet republics ‘Russia’ s backyard’. That says a lot and doesn’t contribute to friendship between them and Moscow.

FlorianGeyer

Ukraine is in effect a mirror of the USA today.
Those that have nothing V those who have everything.
And those who have everything always want more.

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