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Ukraine Should Cede Territory And Become Neutral State, Kissinger Says

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Ukraine Should Cede Territory And Become Neutral State, Kissinger Says

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Former US chancellor gives realistic advice in Davos.

Written by Lucas Leiroz, researcher in Social Sciences at the Rural Federal University of Rio de Janeiro; geopolitical consultant.

As the Russian special military operation in Ukraine moves forward, it becomes harder for Western analysts to deny the evident failure of the NATO’s project for post-Maidan Kiev. Given the current scenario, one of the greatest geopolitical thinkers in the western world, former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, gave realistic advice so that a solution to the conflict is found as quickly as possible, with little damage to the parties involved.

Henry Kissinger argues that Europe must stop insisting on a defeat of Russian forces in Ukraine, claiming that the effects of such insistence would be disastrous for European stability in the long term. At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, the former Secretary of State even suggested that Ukraine should cede part of its territory, in order to reach a peace agreement in this conflict.

According to The Telegraph, in his speech on Monday, May 23, Kissinger stated that direct negotiations for the cessation of the combat should begin within a maximum period of two months, in order to avoid further damage. The former head of US diplomacy believes that after this period it will be much more difficult to control the security crisis and its effects, as that would possibly mean for the West the beginning of a new war against Russia.

“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante (…) Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself’, he says.

As we can see, for him, the ideal is to return to the pre-conflict status quo. But it is necessary to understand what such a status quo would be. Considering that, in other moments of his speech, Kissinger argued Ukraine should cede territory, he seems to agree that Kiev must accept all Russian-imposed peace conditions and recognize the new sovereign republics and Russian Crimea. With this territorial reformulation of the Ukrainian state, it would be possible to return to a scenario of stability not only pre-Russian operation, but even pre-Maidan, when Ukraine was truly geopolitically neutral.

For him, a “neutral Ukraine” today does not mean the same as it did eight years ago, but this is still the ideal scenario to look for: “About eight years ago, when the idea of membership of Ukraine in NATO came up, I wrote an article in which I said that the ideal outcome would be if Ukraine could be constituted as a neutral kind of state, as a bridge between Russia and Europe (…) I think that opportunity does not now exist in the same manner, but it could still be conceived as an ultimate objective”.

In fact, Kissinger is absolutely unsuspected of any “pro-Russian” position. His background in American foreign policy and all his vast literary work make his pro-Western thinking very clear, but without prejudice to his strategic sense. Kissinger, unlike most contemporary pro-Western politicians and globalist elites, does not give up realism. Certainly, for him, a world with NATO global hegemony would be ideal, but he knows that this is no longer materially viable and, in his expertise, he points out alternative paths to maintain world peace and avoid escalating tensions.

As expected, Ukrainian reactions to the former secretary’s statements were, in general, extremely negative. For example, Inna Sovsun, a member of the Ukrainian parliament, stated: “It’s a pity that the former U.S. secretary of state believes that giving up on part of the sovereign territory is a way for peace for any country”. Also, Zelensky’s adviser Mykhailo Podolyak: “As easily as Mr. Kissinger proposes to give Russia part of Ukraine to stop the war, he would allow to take Poland or Lithuania away. It’s good that Ukrainians in the trenches do not have time for listening to Davos panicmonger. They’re a little bit busy defending Freedom and Democracy”.

In the Western world, however, it is becoming increasingly difficult not to take a realistic stance. Even before Kissinger’s words, the New York Times had published an article with very similar content, exposing that it would be up to the Ukrainians to make difficult decisions in the name of peace: “In the end, it is the Ukrainians who must make the hard decisions: they are the ones fighting, dying and losing their homes to Russian aggression, and it is they who must decide what an end to the war might look like (…) If the conflict does lead to real negotiations, it will be Ukrainian leaders who will have to make the painful territorial decisions that any compromise will demand”. In fact, as the situation worsens for Kiev, analysts who until recently encouraged “Ukrainian resistance” are forced to expose more realistic content, in order to save their own credibility.

But it is not analysts and ex-state officials who make real politics. Western politicians and the globalist elites that support and finance them need to understand the messages of Kissinger and the realists: a neutral and territorially reformed Ukraine is the only way to end the conflict.

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Yuri

if jens used prescribed HIV medicine he could slow his senile decline—97 year old Kissinger more cognitively oriented than senile nazis Sawyer, rams, Hans etc

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G2 man

Neither Russia nor a resolute President Putin is showing any sign of weakening. He has acknowledged there will be pain but, according to popular sentiment in a stoic nationalistic people used to hardship, Russia will endure.

On Victory Day earlier this month — an anniversary celebrating Russia’s triumph over Nazi Germany that has morphed into a parade of military might — the Russian President told his nation and the world his country had no choice but to act in Ukraine. The average Russian always suspicious of western ill-will towards their ancient land, tends to rally around the flag when threatened by outsiders, and Putin rightly bet on that sentiment and intends to see his Operation Z to a favorable conclusion.

Western propaganda has also run its course and most of it has been proven irrelevant wishful thinking. On the ground the Red Army is dictating the course of events and Russians are bludgeoning their way to victory and changing the geography of Ukraine as Henry Kissinger’s realpolitik views attest.

As largely symbolic western sanctions fail, largely due to Russia’s allies in Eurasia, the vast resource rich country easily overcome them largely with assistance from India, China and sanctions busting expert Iran. As connections to Europe and the US are cut, Russia is bracing for more self-reliance — an existence largely focused on its Asian roots and allies. Russian budget surplus stands at record levels, the shops of full of consumer goods, the energy backed Ruble is reaching parity with the battered dollar and Euro as Russia demands payment for exports in its national currency.

The Red Army despite some initial operational hiccups typical of any major military campaign, recovered quickly with a veteran general at the helm and battered the NATO backed Ukrainians to surrender, including the mass humiliation of Nazis at Azovstal where thousands of Ukrainians surrendered to Russians, despite Zelensky’s braggadocio of “fighting to the last bullet”. Now an unknown future awaits thousands of Ukrainians who were captured and some are accused of war crimes against Russian soldiers and civilians. The Red Army does not appear to be in a forgiving mood.

It’s a future Vladimir Putin and Russian people are very comfortable with.

It’s much like the glorious country that moulded his past: The USSR.

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tut-tut

Yeah muppet eat your retard propaganda. We are killing eachother buying rubles here. 1000 EU / 1 ruble, be sure of that…..what a blockhead.

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paul

Russian deputy PM in Tehran: Trade with Iran up 10% at $4 billion and target $25 billion by 2030.

Novak went on to say that Moscow is looking forward to the development of the International North–South Transport Corridor (INSTC), which will give Russia access to the Persian Gulf waters and will increase its activities in that region.

“Russia is looking to increase imports because of the situation it is facing now. We are therefore looking to boost economic and trade cooperation with international partners,” the senior Russian official said.

For his part, Behrouz Kamalvandi, spokesman of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) said Tehran and Moscow are in talks over the construction of two new units at the Bushehr nuclear power plant as part of their efforts to promote bilateral strategic cooperation in the fields of energy and nuclear technology. Russia and and Iran also have close military and security links.

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Martin

Paul why even bother replying to this fool.

tut-tut

fool? maybe … but you’re and idiot if you refer to a fool…. well done. Putin should give you a sweep. I bet you’re true skills are yet to be discovered.

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Ashok Varma

50 Rubles to the dollar and rising. India and Russian trade is all in Rubles now and so is with over 130 countries. Ruble is now a global currency, thanks to American morons home goal. JAI RUS!

Martin

Though they have to be careful but I understand that action has been taken to keep it now level. Don’t need the Dutch effect. Can’t help but have real respect to Russia, its people and Putin. The corrupt Kiev regime will soon be nothing but a bad memory by the puppet will escape to his mansions or the UK with his British security supplied by my corrupt government

Jew evil

‘Go f**k yourselves’, Zelensky aide tells Western officials The presidential adviser called Westerners urging concessions in the name of peace ‘dumb f**ks’

Ashok Varma

Indian Chief of Army Staff: Putin achieving his goals in Ukraine

Despite some initial setbacks and disappointments, Russia appears to be making significant progress with regards to the officially declared goals of its war on Ukraine.

Pamfil Military Academy

you’re right, but the ENTIRE CATCH of this game is something you mentioned between the phrases: russian peoples STOICISM, CLEAR VISION and SOLIDARITY. Not many nations have them. These things make Russia a very tough and hard nut to crack. That give them an INDEPENDENCE status quo throughout history. On the opposite side there are weak, soft and short-minded nations who succumb very easily to JUSA ring of globalist power. A perfect example is Romania, an extremely rich and superb country but with a nation who not deserve such a land. A short example here: how the fuck is that Romania being almost the single country in EU which have enough gas and petrol reserves, and enough agrarian lands to feed 4x actual population, have almost the highest prices on those resources and one of the poorest economy and poorest peoples in all EU ?? We pay OUR petrol and gas more expensive than any other EU country which don’t have any such resource !! Answer: because the nation is WEAK, SOFT and SHORT-MINDED and let the traitors to STEAL all of them without doing anything. For that reason I will say: LONG LIVE RUSSIA and its russian exceptional people ! They DESERVE that.

hunter bidé lab pork !

It was a big virus in davos all the psico monkeys cowerd parazites are dying !!! so much polution for some few parazites !!! gays need army to protect their anus because their digital brain as failled !!! Davos its a big Virus in the anus !! Germam gay lgbt digital Funrer Klaus the Pig Monkey talks like her herrrerrrrr Hiiiiitlllerrr rrarararrrarr rhhhnhgfgggfg !!! Take some drugs !! and put some prostitutes transformers to the digital parazites !! they are so happy f the humanity !!! and making bang bang in their one anus !!!!!!

hunter bidé lab pork !

its Funny KLAUS the pig monkey dont listen to his master Kissinger !! Kissinger next time kill the Parazite Ok !!?

Muhammad your Prophet

They want Ukraine to recognize the People’s Republic of Lunga Lunga. All the Putin cockroaches need to do is try to capture Severdonetsk so that the People’s Republic of Lunga Lunga can finally become an independent state.

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Zelenskys incompetence helps Russia

You don’t support freedom and right to independence. The only thing you support is trolling from the basement. No lifer loser.

Muhammad your Prophet

This Putin cockroach looks like he wants to cry. Don’t tell me you want to cry now.

TopGum

You are clearly coping very hard with reality. It’s hilarious to us :-)

MamaViDebaLujliva

Yep it is freedom to be jailed for expressing your opinion I grant you that!

TopGum

Tell that to Zelensky. He is the one jailing people right now. The evidence is everywhere. Now he intends to kill deserters. What a blow to his (so called) democracy. Thank god his criminal regime is making statements like these public. It is much easier for all folks out there to see the real evil and the true enemy.

paul

Ukie Jew dominated “parliament” has passed a law calling for killing of surrendering troops. The Nazi SS did the same. However, over 50,000 AFU have surrendered now.

#Russian forces intensified efforts to encircle and capture #Severodonetsk on May 25 and will likely continue to do so in the coming days as efforts on other axes of advance, including #Izyum, remain surrounded with large numbers of AFU either surrendering of fleeing.

Tuff Tank

Similar to what the wonderful westerners meted out to Julian Assange amirite?

Bazza

Mate, listen to your old Jew godfather, Ukraine is done and nothing can save it. You are the only desperate hasbara troll left crying now.

G2 man

As I initially stated Russia will prevail and the pathetic west will finally give up, largely due to their short attention span and most importantly the vast majority of western population facing massive economic challenges with rising cost of living and collapsing economies could hardly care a damn about some corrupt Jew clown in Kiev blagging nonsense from the basement while Slavs die. Kissinger is stating the obvious, Ukraine is basically finished even as rump failed state, the Poles who historically hate the Ukrainian peasants, and killed around half million while collaborating with Nazis during the Bandera era, have annexed most of western Ukraine. The Russians control the industrial regions and have no intention of returning an inch of liberated lands.

But three months into the war, Putin’s control in Moscow seems as strong as ever.

On Russian state media every night, audiences are fed hours of coverage portraying a very upbeat and realistic picture of the war — one in which Ukraine is the aggressor and its Nazi troops are committing war crimes. The images of Russian POWS being shot, tortured and crucified by Ukrainian Nazis turned even the quiet Russian majority against the Ukrainians.

There is virtually no opposition against the much supported Operation Z, a popular and confident Putin can still count on sizeable public support for the war as Russians wave the flag and line up to send off their sons and daughters to fight off the Nazis, fascists and drug addicts in Ukraine.

While there have been Russian casualties, but none of that appears to have threatened Putin’s control. The most popular symbols in Russia are T-shirts adorned with the images of President Putin and Operation Z. Russians intend to see this through to victory and they will.

Muhammad your Prophet

It’s almost like a cult the way cockroaches like you follow a deranged terrorist monster like Vladimir Putin. Because no matter how humiliating it was to see Vladimir Putin being crushed in Kiev, you still haven’t accepted reality. It’s the phenomenon of senile mass mentality. Like in Nazi Germany.

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zman

Man, when it comes to delusion and not accepting reality, no one tops you and your sick ass ilk.

Muhammad your Prophet

You’re the one sucking up to a deranged terrorist dictator called Vladimir Putin. I don’t think that’s up for debate other than you and your cockroach friends around here are still living under the delusion of safety in numbers. It’s when lunatics like you feel safe surrounded by other lunatics like minded.

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James

Pain and horror as AFU 46th battalion surrenders to Russian Federation forces flying Soviet battle flag. Tears and humiliation. Hunger and cold, as well as NATO weapons. This time its 2nd company of the 46th separate riffle battalion surrenders . They were promised to be sent to Zaporozhye, but they ended up in the Donbass. They have always understood that they are dying from this, so they ask to be saved. They were ordered to defend Kamyshevakha, but the wild NAZI militias left them no choice but to flee as ask for Russian protection.

Ashok Varma

Inevitably, the Russian victors are now excitedly parading all the tattoos and patches on the uniforms of the surrendering Ukrainian soldiers, which betray the far-right NAZI sympathies of their bearers. As the non-governmental Ukrainian and foreign terrorist units are excluded from the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, pro-Kremlin outlets are circulating videos of humiliated Azov Nazi POWs, who are being forced to strip and expose their tattoos for the cameras of world TV channels. Filming these terrorists, many of whom are war criminals has boosted Russian military standing in the public eye and President Putin’s approval ratings have hit 94% as he visits wounded Russian servicemen in hospitals and refers to them as Heroes of Russia.

Muhammad your Prophet

That’s 94% approval rating not counting the thousands of dead Russian soldiers at the Kiev morgues and their families, right? Because according to the terrorist Russian president those dead Russian soldiers don’t even exist. So I suppose that the 94% approval doesn’t include the other 94% of Russians who want him dead. He’s just making the number up like any other lie that comes up from a pathological lying freak like Putin.

Iren

Medvedev: Russia does not care about non-recognition of new borders by the G7

For Russia, the will of the people is important, and not spring from the side of the G7 country. This was announced on May 14 by Deputy Head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev.

This is how he commented on the general statement of the head of the G7 Foreign Ministry, where, in particular, it is mentioned that these countries “will never recognize the borders that Russia suppresses in connection with military aggression.”

“Let’s put it mildly: our country does not care about the non-recognition of new borders by the G7, the true will of the presence of people there is important. This is not a mission precedent for Kosovo, Western friends,” the entry posted on Medvedev’s Telegram channel says.

He is on other terms, including the fact that the G7 states will supply benefits to Kyiv and intend to tighten sanctions against Moscow.

“And we thought that the G7 countries would offer Russia financial assistance for the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. We made a mistake,” the ex-premier ironically says.

Earlier, the deputy head of the military-civilian administration of the Kherson region, Kirill Stremousov, said that the authorities of the region intend to neglect entry into Moscow with falling into Russia. The Kremlin proved that this territory should determine its nature. https://www.fontanka.ru/2022/05/14/71330921/

gustavo

This is a criminal jenocide jew (Viet-Nam) that his opinion is on the negative size of the real line.

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zman

Absolutely. ANYTHING he suggests is not to be trusted. IF it comes from him and it sounds good, definitely do not trust it. He is like all of his ilk, semantics and twisting of words and their meaning is what he is all about. That and reneging on agreements they never intended to uphold. Any peace with Ukraine through diplomacy will be just as reliable as the west’s backing of Minsk.

Zelenskys incompetence helps Russia

I predicted a month ago that Ukraine would hide behind Poland as the adult negotiator. It saves face and gives everyone an exit plan.

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G2 man

President Putin, well versed in REALPOLITIK, made three correct assumptions: Ukraine is not a real country, Ukraine is corrupt and will eventually collapse, and the West wouldn’t intervene directly and now with large numbers of Ukrainian troops surrendering and NATO not willing to fight Russia directly, he has been proven right, yet again.

Wars only end, when one side is defeated or through negotiation. Kissinger is betting on a Russian victory. There will be some sort of peace deal on Russian terms, “but not yet”. The Red Army still has a lot of steam rolling to do,

Vladimir Putin has learned the lesson from his days in the KGB: the best way to protect power is to project power. Even if it takes a war for national interest. History will prove that he made the right call.

gustavo

Every one in the World would like to hear the Israel justification to support the Ukranian nazi-fascist regime lead by the jew nazi Zelensky. This justification should be put in every Holocaust museum of the World.

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Loten

What are you saying? 99% of Jewish people have never held a gun, sat in a parliament or killed another being. Nevertheless people of your opinion seem to suggest that every event in the known universe is caused by some jewish involvement.. The problem causing zionists are a real thing but there are also very powerful non-zionist lobbies as well. Thanks.

john

Of course there is the JVP and many Orthodox Jews against the Zionists but the point is that most “ordinary ” Jews ACCEPT the actions of the Zionist Jewish Nationalists ,thereby allowing them to put forward their evil doctrine against not just Muslims but Christians of all faiths.

Loten

The thing is every race, religious congregation has an affinity towards their way of life or beliefs.. it is what keeps these groups together. It is true that majority of normal Jewish populace supports their cause, not in an oppressive hateful way but our basic human nature that seeks security in community and numbers.. It is a basic human insecurity and I don’t blame them for that. But saying every single event in the known universe is a master Jewish plan to conquer and destroy etc is just far fetched.. Thanks.

Pamfil Military Academy

Nope, you’re wrong: indeed ALMOST all single MAJOR event in modern history is triggered by the zionist fake jews cabal. As with your ‘security’ issue also wrong: the gipsy minority which are present in any country on earth is the counter-example. They were battered throughout the history as much as the jews, and even MUCH MORE, they were mass killed in nazi camps like jews, etc, etc, etc, and for that they ARE NOT ‘ZIONISTS’ !

Lazy Gamer

Ceasefire? lol For the EU, the breakup with Russia is final. For Russia, the breakup with unreliable countries and western systems is also final. There’s no getting back together if that is what Kissinger hopes. Globalist hopes to incorporate Russian products and produce to the world economy is getting dimmer and costly for the dollar system. Not until, they find a solution for gas, and grains or suppress demand for the same in the next few decades.

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datrum

Russia economy is negligible on global scale. So not any real concern there. The only concern is fossil fuel during the winter. So I would suggest to make some truce during the winter. Until then we have about half year of happy fighting before us.

Pamfil Military Academy

Correct. In fact the real deal of Ukropizdan war is the ‘colonization’ of Russia’s very large fuel resources. I mean stealing them. Godd for russian they were aware and very clear-minded peoples and see what’s going on, an react PROMPTLY. Not the case for other weak, soft and short-minded peoples, like the romanians, for example, where entire country resources were stolen by the ameriscum deep state oligarchs.

JayLindberg

I’ve never agreed with Kissinger on anything. So I am examining this statement at Davos as a skeptic.. It’s entirely possible the he understands this war will not turn around any time soon.

NATO HAS SHOT ITS WAD. NUCLEAR WAR IS THE LAST CARD IN THEIR BAG OF TRICKS. THE US IS STUPID ENOUGH PULL THIS CARD. THE REST OF NATO IS NOT.

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datrum

Hmm. Even idiotic Biden has no reason to escalate war with Russia. I think that the game is clear. West supplies arms and Ukros supply lifes. Russians supply both on the other side. It is very likely that few months of such war will ruin them. And EU will be safe from russian Imperialism for good.

Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

What in hell would Russia and/or its imperialism ever want with the EU?

You flatter yourself.

Whiskey1Bravo

Won’t happen. There will be no active U.S. troops units send into Ukraine to fight against Russian forces and stolen election not POTUS Biden when he first enter office was never given the launch codes to conduct a nuclear strike. Which was keep in the hands of the white hats in the military. WWG1WGA

none

Its too late for that, the US/UK have no back peddle.

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Tommy Jensen

After 20 years of speculating Kissinger finally reached the same conclusions as I told everybody 20 years ago. Russia should agree that Pentagon establish a base on Crimea for the $5 billion America spent in investment before Putin stole the shithole. Hereafter its green equality and Ukraine is international neutral.

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Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

Ha Ha, back to pulling legs again, eh Tommy?

For those not familiar with Tommy, he’s the eternal jester.

MamaViDebaLujliva

The US should cede territory I think.

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Bazza

Palestine ring a bell.

Ramses

Globalist dirtbags wants ‘stability’ on the people heads so they can steal more money through the stock and bank system. Incredibly spineless persons.

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datrum

Hmm. Isn’t actually Putin stealing parts of Ukraine?

Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

Ask the people of those parts – they might call it ‘liberation’.

Tough luck, Poncho. Ukraine was indeed, much as the USSR was, a patched together wicker basket just waiting for a chance to unravel. Enjoy.

Martillo

The evil gramp$ of the neocohen khaZar warmongers has spoken…will the warmongering khazar neochoens listen?

Ki$$inger is as good as dead already…..

“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.“ — Henry Kissinger

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Антон

Kissinger stuck in 90’s, it’s the time when territory 404 could have a try to be neutral. Since 2004 they are declaring pro-western agenda. Now it’s too late, only denazifying will help.

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Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

The joke on the west is – this ‘ so-called pro-western agenda’ you say they declare is only an interim agenda of convenience as the nazi ideologues of Ukraine plan their next agenda for the west, which is stated over and over again. The west is just too foolish to be paying it any mind, just as supporting al Qaeda and even ISIS in Syria (and even before, in Afghanistan where al Qaeda gave birth under US patronage), came back to haunt the US over and over again.

Антон

Quite fair. To be clear, pro-western agenda is declaration to join euro-atlantic pacts, structures and “values”, this is what I mean.

TopGum

Ukrainians defending “freedom and democracy”. Now that is funny. But seriously … obvious lies like this one also show that Ukraine **has** to be denazified and that Russia is 100% right about that. Zelensky is a puppet and that is in no way a democracy. Ukrainians refusing to negotiate makes this whole mess easier for Russia. There is zero trust towards Zelensky as he is a criminal psychopath with absolute disregard for his own people.

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datrum

So Russia is actually democracy with freedom for citizens?

Karl Pomeroy

Saying Ukraine is not a democracy doesn’t mean Russia is. Even the US isn’t a democracy at this point, nor is China, nor France, nor Australia. The DPR/LPR may be the best examples of democracy I know of.

Антон

LDPR is the same as Russia in my opinion.

Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

Now you’re getting smart. Russia has 1000% more freedom for its citizens than does Ukraine.

Russia is a FEDERATION. Ukraine is a cesspool that would have avoided war if it had had the decency to become one.

Антон

Wrong dichotomy: if not a nazi, then a democrat. There are many other variants. And yes, Russia guarantees freedom and liberties for citizens at high standards. Sometimes even higher than so called democrats, who usually declares one things and does opposite. Call it democracy or not, doesn’t matter, because it’s just a trade mark now. Democracy killed millions in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia etc, but murdering millions in aggressive wars is out of so called democratic standards as I know. Oh, and democracy is just a procedure of elections. Ancient greeks were the first democrats having slavery at same time, like George Washingron, Andrew Jackson and other masonic founders of the US.

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tut-tut

Why dont you cede a piece of your country fkin cretin kissinger, kiss the asses of all your idiotic ancestors slaves. give Alaska to the Russians or better give New York. and let the orcs kill your kids, your army and everyone in USA. Moron.

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Bazza

Mate, maybe you should enlist and go die in Ukraine, armchair troll loser soldier LOL

tut-tut

no thx, Ukraine is a place for your dead mom, she enjoys having fun with orcs. sad bot.

Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

Thanks, you just proved my point that Ukraine deserves to be dismantled.

Антон

Proved again for million time. This theory has more proofs than theory of evolution, so it can be called a scientific law or even an axiom.

Антон

Don’t feed trolls, please.

Karl Pomeroy

It’s a completely different situation. Unlike Ukraine’s ethnic Russians in Donbass, the US doesn’t have territorial ethnic groups that want and deserve independence. The closest thing in the US is the Indians, and I agree they should have territorial independence … IF THEY WANT IT. That’s a big IF. They would have to have militaries ready to fight foreign invaders. That’s the first prerequisite for independence. I’m sure the Indians would pass on that one.

Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

Ukraine is a patchwork of imbeciles masquerading as a country. What makes you think the imbeciles in Kiev have ANY right to dictate anything to anyone? They came to power in an illegal coup d’etat and have since become bona fide war criminals that belong in the Hague.

FK them and FK U.

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John Deer

Ukraine is in the meat-grinder, because it is headed by meat-loafs.

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Archie

More precisely: meatheads

Антон

As faggot Arestovich said: ukrainians have ideal gas instead brain. Anchor says: I have a feeling that everyone became f-ing crazy. Arestovich answers: we are f-ing crazy country with brainwashed people.

youtube.com/watch?v=3taGiIe7Ebc

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Elgar

“Military men are stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy”.

-Henry Kissinger

(Source: Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein’s book The Final Days)

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Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

Wasn’t that the operational assumption of Madeleine Albright and all her disciples as well?

In Nuland’s case, it even extended beyond mere military men to include, even prefer: ‘Ukrainian neo-nazis’.

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Irishgerry

So much for AFU winning lol

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Ukraine: A cesspool masquerading as a nation

Oh, they won the Darwin Prize long ago.

Siberian

Now when the rotten West finally realised that their Nazi game is nearly over Henry suggests neutral Ukraine? Well Henry after the referendum that’s coming soon Ukrainian people will vote against Kiev’s Nazi puppets and destroy the evil western project. Shameless and stinky as usual the american plans will fail again.

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jaredX

Russia is fighting in Ukraine to protect its people from a genocidal government and to protect itself by stemming the expansion of NATO which as evidenced by Ukraine is clearly a threat to Russia and to humanity. The issue is greater than Ukraine. Ukraine is an opportunity to destroy evil.

The issue that will need to be addressed is what is to be done with NATO – it is a force of domination that has defeated most of Europe. So if Kissy is saying hes ready to negotiate the end of NATO, then there is something to talk about.

Zelensky is not a serious person, waste of time and does control anything is only scarry clown puppet.

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datrum

Can’t think of any country which was actually forced to join NATO. Not a single country joined as a result of war. This can’t be said of Soviet Union and Russia. Anyway. The reason why Easter Europe is/was eager to join NATO is that they have very bad experience with Russia. So don’t expect warm welcome there. Russia is essentially finished there.

Karl Pomeroy

No country “forced”” to join NATO, eh? Did the people of those European countries vote to join NATO? Or was it their governments forcing that option on them due to globalist deep state pressure? A mere technicality, I’m sure.

yours is a totally irrelevant argument

Makes absolutely no difference. NATO is a threat to Russia, period. The Russians have rationally lobbied for an inclusive european security architecture that reflects the times for 25 years and to no avail, having been consistently sabotaged by NATO’s US masters, unwilling to concede to anything but total domination in NATO’s command and control. If NATO has no enemies, it ceases to exist.

That tells me everything I need to know about USNATO.

Exorientelux

Kissinger is another US politician with tons of blood from innocent people on his hands. One of the best known crimes I want to bring to Your memory: Let us remember the original 911 in Chile, the US staged coup against an elected democratic government in Chile.

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Matt

When $atan himself tells you that the forces of Evil have L0$T!…

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Karl Pomeroy

Kissinger, “one of the greatest geopolitcal thinkers in the western world’, because he actually realized something that’s been obvious to Donbass watchers for 8 years?

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Indeed

Антон

Sounds like “one of the greatest sons of his father”.

Karl Pomeroy

I’ve tried to post 3 or 4 replies to Siberian’s comment below. CAPTCHA won’t let me. Or is this site moderated?? (I didn’t think so.)

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I’ve found you have to outwit captcha quite often. It’s a brain dead security check and quite annoying.

Антон

Stop-words, any links inside your commentary? Do this: type “111” or any other short abracadabra, push “post comment” button, edit and write everything with no censorship. Sounds ridiculous, but works!

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An American Dissenter

Of course it should cede territory and declare neutrality. Just as the US, in its willful dismantling of Yugoslavia, forced the secession of Kosovo by underhanded means and then used UN courts to confirm Kosovo’s unilateral right to secession as a universal right, so does Russia turn those very actions back on the US as the US tries to do the VERY OPPOSITE of what it did in Yugoslavia. Enough with American machinations. The world is fed up with them.

Dismantle Ukraine! Let its Russian-speaking minorities live in peace and free from state oppression. It’s a universal right to do so! So says America.

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Can you ever imagine if Canada had treated its French-speakers in Quebec in the 60-70’s as they sought greater autonomy and language rights, or even secession as Ukraine’s east was treated?

Instead, Canada managed to grant far -reaching rights of language and jurisdiction to Quebec and saved their country. Now they deny that same right to Ukraine’s east and do the OPPOSITE! Another hypocritical sack of shit masquerading as a country.

Антон

Can you imagine Quebec terrorizing rest Canada for not speaking french? But ukros does it now with their artificial mova while absolute majority speaks russian in daily life.

Антон

Russian-speaking minorities is majority.) I’m not joking, ~85% speaks russian as native language. Rest 15% understand it well. Ukrainian is not ethnic affiliation, but political. Zelenskiy — a jew, Poroshenko — a jew, Avakov — an armenian, Saakashvili (ex-governor of Odessa region) — a georgian. But all together they are ukrainians.

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