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U.S. Is Preparing For Full Withdrawal From Syria: Confirmed


U.S. Is Preparing For Full Withdrawal From Syria: Confirmed

US forces, accompanied by Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) fighters, drive their armoured vehicles near the northern Syrian village of Darbasiyah, on the border with Turkey on April 28, 2017. / AFP PHOTO / DELIL SOULEIMAN

UPDATE: It seems that the White House has confirmed the withdrawal of US troops. However, considering the wording of the statement and the US successful experience of “troops withdrawal” from Afghanistan, it can be expected that the US will reduce the number of personnel deployed on the ground, but will not withdraw fully.

A notable part of US Special Operations Forces will remain on the ground and additional forces of US-linked private military companies will be deployed to “defend American interests”.

The Turkish state-run media already came up with a list of US facilities in Syria:

U.S. Is Preparing For Full Withdrawal From Syria: Confirmed

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In a surprise move, the U.S. military is preparing to withdraw its forces from northeastern Syria immediately, sources familiar with the situation told the Wall Street Journal on December 19.

According to the New York-based newspaper, U.S. officials began informing their allies in northeastern Syria of their plans to begin immediate withdrawal of American forces out of the region.

Citing an U.S. official, the Washington Post confirmed the Wall Street Journal’s report and revealed that the decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria was taken at the late hours of December 18.

“The withdrawal is expected to occur as quickly as possible,” the Washington Post quoted the official as saying.

Following both reports, U.S. president Donald Trump said on Twitter that the U.S. has “defeated ISIS in Syria” and added that this was the only reason why he kept his forces in Syria.

Trump said last March that the U.S. will withdraw its troops from Syria “very soon” and let “other people” handle the situation in the war-torn country. However, U.S. officials denied this later.

Northeastern during the last two weeks Syria witnessed a high-level of tensions. The main reason is that Turkey began preparations to launch a military operation against US-backed forces in the region. This may be one of the reasons that have forced Washington to reconsider its stand on Syria. On the other hand, Trump’s statement could be just another PR stunt deisgned to show the “big” role of his administration in the war on ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

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  • Southfront you are F late

  • Michał Hunicz

    Seems that a new “animal Assad’s chemical attack” is coming soon.

    • Nope. Looks to me like they are consolidating troops and equipment for a major offensive somewhere else (Asia or Ukraine, cough, cough)

      • hhabana

        I thought same thing. Something is out of whack. I applaud Trump for realizing that it’s time to stop wasting lives, money and energy. My fear is that Government is looking to focus chaos on another place. I pity that place.

        • skinner15

          The Russians set up bases around al Tanf, with air defence and rocket artillery.

          That’s way to close for the Yanks, and they are getting out before they lose a whole unit to artillery strikes.

          They are cowards, running away from Syria when they see the Russian troops closing in around them. The Yanks know full well there will be no air supply or defense for this base, not after Russia faced them down.

      • AM Hants

        Africa, Ukraine, Caribbean.

        Wonder where Turkey lies with it all? What promises made, during ‘Patriot’ negotiations? Who controls the Black Sea, with regards military access, in and out.

        There again, how many behind the ‘Greater Israel Project’ are still alive, or waiting to spend time in a cell? Has the burial of Bush, changed opinions?

      • Goran Grubić HardyVeles

        Call me over-romantic, but this could mean that The Storm is about to start (https://www.qmap.pub/analytics#indictments)

      • Zionism = EVIL

        Indeed, the Americunts and British poodles will test Russian in Ukraine and Crimea.

        • skinner15

          Not a hope.

          The Turks won’t allow a NATO fleet pass the Bosphorus, so there is no cover for NATO troops or equipment.
          Unless NATO get in their tanks and drive through to inevitable nuclear disaster, then all NATO can do is arm a few Ukrainians and wish them luck.

          The Germans will not be heading East ever again, at least not further than Silesia.

      • skinner15

        MRAP’s won’t be any good against T72s.

        The Yanks are going home, far away from all those missiles made in Russia.

      • Lumi

        Ukraine probably

    • Bigaess Wangmane

      It didn’t even take 2 weeks between the last announcement of a withdrawal and the resulting false flag chemical attack to occur, expect nothing different this time, what a complete joke.

      • AM Hants

        Christmas Day – seems to cause the satanists to react.

    • Scott

      Hey look the Polish nationalist is back!

      • Siegfried Stahl

        very factual argument. it enriches this discussion.

        scott apparently does not like polish people. maybe he is english? but what does that have to do with the withdrawal of americans?

        hmmm, wait, I have an idea …

        • Scott

          Oh sorry this isn’t meant for you. Must’ve went over your head.

    • Zionism = EVIL

      Not happening. Americunt losers wasted billions for nothing, but will now destabilize Ukraine with their Jew masters.

  • Icarus Tanović

    Seem that Americans scraped Kurds for Turkish animals.

    • Kurds are scums and Turks are pigs. And they are both terrorists so what’s the difference.

      • Icarus Tanović

        There’s no difference, Turks are even worst pigs.

  • AJ

    The report only mentions NE Syria what about the rest like Al Tanf.

    • nothing. US will sit there and make troubles. As well as in Eastern part and namely at Omar oil fields.

      • ruca

        As usual they will say one thing and do the opposite.

  • potcracker2588

    lol………that withdrawl, IF it occurs, is a very very smart move by the us, caused by the russian pressure on turkey in regards to the kurds.Any attack of TAF in north eastern syria against SDF cannot be maintained as a nato member as long as us troops r there.
    Turkey is the southern flank of nato in regards to russia.This and ONLY this, outweighs any other point for staying in syria for nato command including israel.
    So for the usa the parol must now be “watch out for false flag terror attacks commited by the jews”, cause if 1 country is going beserk right now, its israel.I seriously wanna hear the phone conversations and the screaming between bibi and donald.lol. Then again…the jews will probably try to follow through with an impeachment of trump any time soon.Just watched fox, and cnn and the rest of them scumbags….and the narrative is the same…..”trump is in the pocket of putin, and hence is a danger for national security”.

    this aint over yet folks.

  • potcracker2588

    ps. just checked pentagon page……reporters asking about withdrawl from syria , their offical answer is, and i quote

    “At this time, we continue to work by, with and through our partners in the region,” spokesman Col. Rob Manning said”

    now the commander in chief puts out the order “to leave syria with all troops as quick as possible”
    and the pentagon puts out this cute bs statement, mentioning no withdrawl.I sure hope he has trusted men in the secret service or he could well be the main actor of JFK 2.0

  • Fred Summers

    LOL, Just a tactical withdrawl at best, most likely just a precaution whilst Turkey do some dirty work and make a few moves into more of Syrian territory.

    All the US will do is pull back and reinforce another area. Even if they do fully withdraw from ‘Greater Turkey’ or ‘New Kurdistan’ (aka Syria east of the Euphrates) then where to? Al-Tanf?

    Not a cat in hells chance of getting the US to leave Syria this side of a major military confrontation, and even then it will just give them an excuse to move in more troops and resources.

    Besides, Israel will never allow it. Israel have multiple entry points into Syria now thanks to the US taxpayer and thanks to Uncle Sams military protection.

    There are very big plans for Al-Tanf.

    Not many people know, but the planned US (and Israeli) airbase that was to straddle 3 countries (Syria, Iraq, and Jordan) was one of reasons S300 was shipped to Syria along with Iskander. Getting the base to straddle 3 countries was the work of a diplomatic diabolical geneius – US airstrip in Iraq, Israeli airstrip in Jordan, and a Jihadi runway / heliport in Syria – all within one big heavily protected US base.

    Sadly there is little anyone can do about it now. Containment at best.

  • stary ujo

    This is fake news , USA dont destroy Syria from joke , for 7 years ! USA has big interest stay in the region
    and with Kurds legalize their illegal stay there ! Never believe psycho Trump , hes biggest liar al around the world !

  • Few comments from my perspective:
    1. S300 made no fly zone for Jews and FUKUS, a game changer. (It took Putin 3 years to put S300 in Syria and it could be made easily 3 years ago, clap, clap, clap Putin-Lavrov idiots)
    2. Real escalation and possible war in Ukraine. US needs Turkey to cut off Russia in Bosporus so (suddenly) US forgot mantra ERDOGAN must go and let him kill US backed YPG swines (meanwhile US advisors are busy training Poroshenko neonazi squad how to kill Donetsk civilians properly).
    3. Internal problem in the USA. Economy recession, migrants on Mexico borders, they will need use those army boys against their own people.

    AND BY THE WAY SF, they are not putting soldiers back from whole Syria, but from northeast only (spoiler alert, not much oil fields there).

    • Sephy

      To be honest, that’s just stupid.

      • Let me guess, Ukrainian, isn’t it.

        • Sephy

          Nope, I am on your side, but your comment doesn’t make any sense to me. No offence.

      • John Smith

        No, that’s fucking genius… especially this part, “Real escalation and possible war in Ukraine. US needs Turkey to cut off Russia in Bosporus so (suddenly) US forgot mantra ERDOGAN must go and let him kill US backed YPG swines”
        THAT^^^ is instantly understood as the defacto situation, it makes perfect sense, considering the US’s decision to pull out of NE syria.

        • Sephy

          Well then, I am stupid.

    • SG

      There are so many jews ruling over Ukraine that it would make your head spin, the same with Russia and almost everywhere else.

    • AM Hants

      2. Real escalation and possible war in Ukraine. US needs Turkey to cut off Russia in Bosporus so (suddenly) US forgot mantra ERDOGAN must go and let him kill US backed YPG swines (meanwhile US advisors are busy training Poroshenko neonazi squad how to kill Donetsk civilians properly).


      Must admit, it would not surprise me. Only, Turkstream, might be a reason for it not to happen. The pipelines are being laid down in the Black Sea, which is more of a threat to Ukraine than Nordstream II.

    • slayern2

      They are desperately trying to stop North Stream 2, and now South/Turkstream as well…

    • John Whitehot

      “1. S300 made no fly zone for Jews and FUKUS, a game changer. (It took Putin 3 years to put S300 in Syria and it could be made easily 3 years ago, clap, clap, clap Putin-Lavrov idiots)”

      clap clap clap for showing you don’t have a clue about diplomacy and military actions once more.

      • John Smith

        That’s not a counter-argument. It’s an ad hominem attack targeting his credulity… please stop attacking him and attack his argument. Please provide an alternative narrative to continue posting.

        • John Whitehot


    • Jaime

      From the beginning. I think this was a long-term game between the US and Russia. The idea was not to bring down the roof on everyone, was it? And yes, it was a chess game, and it seems the Russians have won

  • verner

    I believe it when I see it – but it makes sense since there are few rational arguments left for the monkeys of the disunited states of to put forward, except the mic will howl in dismay (and it might reach a long way, unfortunately)

  • ruca

    All US of Arrogance politicians are flip flops. Kerry negotiates a deal and the next day they bomb the SAA in Der Ezzor. Assad must go, next day there is no solution with Assad in power. Political inversion every few days.

  • Lupus

    We ‘ll see. Never trust the yanks

  • FlorianGeyer

    I understand that the Kurds are urgently in need of toilet paper to clean the US government faeces off their faces :)

    Donations to ‘ Clean up the US crap @ another betrayal.orgasm’.

    • PZIVJ

      UK rejects Trump’s claim that ISIS has been defeated. LOL

      • John Whitehot

        UK certainly has trouble admitting defeat these days.

      • FlorianGeyer

        The UK should know as the UK helped arm and train them :)

  • Pave Way IV

    “We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.”

    Whoa there, Donny… You didn’t ‘defeat ISIS’ yet. It took CENTCOM and their fake SDF nine months to take the tiny village of Hajin – well, half of it. Kind of. There’s still all those ISIS-held villages south of Hajin. What the fuck is so difficult about finishing the job?

    Damn suspicious that the US can’t (or won’t) take out that last pocket of ISIS in Syria. Did we run out of helicopters to ferry the leaders out?

    • Joe

      US forces were found to be freely mixing with terrorists in there … no fight no nothing.

    • Tudor Miron

      Yes, there’s delay with accomodation of leaders in new deployments (Afganistan, Ukraine). RuMod officially stated that it would take SAA two to three weeks to complete this operation (as recent experience suggests). They were loughing at CENTCOM deaming that someone will buy into this BS “fight against terrorism”.

    • goingbrokes

      I tend to think that US won’t take the Daesh out because it gives them a reason to stay. The Kurds won’t take them out because they want to keep the US around, and they don’t want to waste lives for a piece of land that they won’t be able to hold in the long run. Kind of stalemate resulting in extreme inaction.

  • Promitheas Apollonious

    I think the surprise will be for the russians when they realize the turks over smart them and now will be holding them by the balls.

    • FlorianGeyer

      I agree that its possible that the US is now using the Turks as proxies. The pay off to the Turks being control of Syrian oilfields East of the Euphrates . However the Turks would be in the unenviable position of perpetual war with the Kurds. This is possibly what the US wants.

      The SAA would need to divide their forces to protect the Western bank of the Euphrates at the very least and this would detract from efforts in Idlib.

      Russia may soon be heavily involved in Crimea. So is all of this a typical Zionist ‘Divide and Rule’ exercise ?

      There are solutions to this BUT will NATO be dragged , largely unwillingly, into the US quagmire?

      • Tony B.

        Are you kidding? NATO has been in Syria up to its eye balls from day one.

        • FlorianGeyer

          Not with ‘front line forces’ in the form of NATO batallions /regiments though.

      • Icarus Tanović

        But, it’s easier to fuck up Turks than Kurds and all those You stuff, because they were under direct protection of America.
        And since Turks are distracted fuck around Kurds, we can liberate Idlib aka wahhabistan.
        Expect some large shit to happen in next days. War is going on.

      • Jesus

        I don’t think the Turks will advance far south to the Omar oil fields, they can try to access the northern oil fields, if US is not a factor in Eastern Syria, SAA can cross the Euphrates and clear up the area leading to the Iraqi border. SAA can become a buffer in controlling Turkish advances and possibly the Kurds might reach to Damascus for reconciliation for a joint effort to control the Turks in northern Syria.

        • FlorianGeyer

          That would be the best situation I agree.The Kurds would need to be enrolled into the SAA though for maximum effect, as Erdogan would find it hard diplomatically to invade borders that are properly controlled by the Syrian Government.

      • Promitheas Apollonious

        to your question I believe nato already are and is participating.

    • Jesus

      The Russians are not wishful thinkers hoping Turkey will tow the line, they have contingencies for either case, they have a response if Turkey will try to double cross them.

      • Promitheas Apollonious

        and what they went to so much length and compromise to avoid will happen exactly. so what ever their reaction will be it will not much matter would it?

        • Jesus

          Russia gives everyone enough rope, if you screw up and hang yourself, is not Russia’s fault. Turkey could be Russia’s useful idiot to flush out the US presence out Syria, and at the same time create create political opportunities for the Kurds to reconcile with Damascus and check Turkish ambitions and in the area.

          • Promitheas Apollonious

            useful idiots work both ways.

    • slayern2

      I doubt they will be surprised… never trust a Turk… especially not ErDogan.

      • Promitheas Apollonious

        the surprise will not be in syria only but also if the side again with the americans who already offered to them not only the f35 which is a good thing not bad also offered them patriots.

        But will demand that the gas pipe the russians building in turkey to be killed and then you see another scenario playing meaning russians destroy syria and doom them to destruction on the long run or a total war that will happen both in ME this time with iran been attacked as well ukraine and the balkan area.

        Watch. That dont mean uk/us will win but that europe again goes back to zero for the next 20 years with 10s of millions of dead.

        • Carne João Pasta

          You must be fun at parties?

          • Promitheas Apollonious

            not as you kid. Obviously you dont use your brain when you try and analyze what is happening but emotion.

          • Promitheas Apollonious

            not as much as you kid. Try using your brain than emotion to think with.

  • R Trojson

    Why would US want to stay in Syria. What benefit do American’s get from the death and destruction? It was Obama that started ISIS and the war in Syria that led to 500,000 Syrians dead. Seem to remember Obama getting a Nobel Peace Prize just before starting wars in Libya, Syria, …

  • cliff

    If the U.S bring private military there,it will just worsen the situation, just as the us has brag about killing private Russian military men the Russian might return the favor in kinds.

    • Tudor Miron

      I would think that PMC’s are eager even if they know there only 5 actual lost but it is still a reason to remember.

  • Joe

    Why is it surprising?
    I have from the beginning said only silly people think US is able to stay as their forces are too small to be able to withstand the forces around … air force or no air force which are useless against foot soldiers who fight like Hez or HOuthis.

    I think the real reason is that with the Iranian sanctions on … these soldiers are opportunities and US has no way to protect them . This of course is compounded by the forces against their proxies …Turkey and the entire SAA and allies..

    So to avoid being attacked and unable to defend , instead of returning in body bags in shameor bring them home alive with “honour”.

    Common sense prevailed.
    US has no choice…. and it is just undefendable both militarily as well as politically .

  • John Whitehot

    expect some garbage to happen in the next few days

    • Joe

      This time I do not think so …. as the Turkish attack is on ..nothing to do with SAA .

      False flag only attack SAA as Assad is the ONLY person in the world cannot use Chemical weapons .. others no problem . can anytime.

      These are moronic logic

      • John Whitehot

        Syria, Russia and their allies should be extraordinarily vigilant nonetheless, in case a mossad unit posing as SAA (or hezbollah, or ISIS) ambushes a retreating US column, or something on this tone.

        • Jesus

          There is no Hezbollah and only a few SAA troops confined in a couple of areas, east of Euphrates.

  • Jose

    The solution is to use some of the medicine that the US uses. Create a “moderate” force to fight the US in Syria, and so the government is exempt from responsibility.

  • Tudor Miron

    Americans – would not be missed.
    Kurds, enjoy American support at its fullest. Seems like Kirkuk and “independence vote” and later Afrin didn’t teach you much. Well, history doesn’t teach anything. It simply punishes those who didn’t learn.

  • Nosferatu

    Trump is new Gorbatchov

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  • AM Hants

    Believe it when I see it. Either being replaced by private mercenaries, or some false flag will prevent it happening.

    Or, have the Russian bombers, over in Venezuela and rumours of Russia setting up base over there, made the US change plans? Now who is preparing a major ‘false flag’ for Venezuela? Who is desperate to kick start WWIII, over in Ukraine?

    Who ever believes the US, when they say one thing, within 24 hours, they change their minds.

    • Sinbad2

      The only thing that matters to America is money.
      If they do withdraw it will be for the same reason Britain withdrew from Singapore.

      • AM Hants

        Those behind the Greater Israel Project, are dropping like flees, together with ‘Daddy Bush’ checking out. I do wonder if has any bearing. Or they will find a reason to stay, in a couple of days?

      • Harvey Swinestein

        There is something that matters even more to the old Whore than money . . . Israel. The destruction of Iraq, Libya and Syria were not as much about money as about Israel’s national interests . .

  • Jesus

    This is a contest between Trump and Pentagon’s agenda.

    • Sinbad2

      Trump has an agenda?

      • Jesus

        Yes he does.

  • RichardD

    Congratulations SAA and company! Your valiant struggle was not in vain.

  • RichardD

    Everyone should thank Russia and the Putin administration for the masterful job that the Russian military and diplomatic corp has done in achieving this monumental success.

  • john

    Bravo Trump!!!!!!!

  • Harvey Swinestein

    “US has defeated ISIS”? What a cheap shot. Russia, Iran and the SAA defeated ISIS where it mattered most. The US just bombed Raqqa back to the Flintstone era and used its political compass deficient proxies, the YPG to clean up east of the Euphrates. They seem to be adopting Russia’s minimalist footprint intervention playbook, but their big mouths and massive egos seriously enlarge their footprint . .

  • Vitex

    “Defeated ISIS” – more likely “lost to Russia”. Now the kurds will be wishing they’d stayed under the protection of Assad. If Syria cuts a deal with Turkey the kurds will be in a very bad situation. Back to hiding out in the mountains of SE Turkey

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    • Snowglobe

      Well, I am going to wait around for a little longer to see if a fat lady comes along and sings something…

      …have some more popcorn. ;-)

    • RichardD

      Israelistan is not looking good:

      – US to evacuate all State Department personnel from Syria in next 24 hours –


  • Willing Conscience (The Truths

    Gee that was quick, I wonder how many naysayers are eating humble pie today, I’m not, I’ve never been a naysayer, I always listened to what Trump said and not his weirdo LGBTQI government.
    The new OB posts the US built will be satisfactory for the fussy French to move into after the US are gone, and all those new weapons the US gave to the Kurds will still be put to good use too, but they may have to repaint some of them with SAA emblems now LOL.
    Everything’s working out EXACTLY to plan, Trump and Putin have done all the hard work and stage 2 is now complete, all we have to wait for now is Erdogan’s massive blunder when he initiates stage 3 of Putin and Trump’s plan to get rid of him. The timelines I quote are important, even if they are jumbled up in sequence.
    Back in Jan Trump tried to force the Kurds to reconcile with Assad, they then sent nearly 50 delegations to Assad all demanding self autonomy in return for their cooperation, and Assad refused every time.
    They then went back to Trump and wanted him to help force Assad into agreeing to their self autonomy, but he refused too and suggested they take the best offer available from Assad, they then also refused Trump and went on a strike that left half of Ar raqqah, all of Al Hasakah, and northern Deir ez Zor in the hands of Isis.
    Back in may, all major parties involved in the Syrian conflict came to some sort of agreement, the Arab league had decided Assad must stay for security and economic reasons, and all the other major players except for Erdogan and the Saudis came on board with the new reality, Israel, US, EU, Jordan, and most of the other players.
    The Daraa/Quneitra campaign was launched in June and finished in July, the SAA and Russia had the green light from everyone [but the Saudis and Erdogan], and the campaign was a total cakewalk because of it. King Abdullah held back support from the Southern alliance Arab militias and the US held back, and eventually ended support for the FSA too, this made it very easy for Assad to take back all of southern Syria from HTS and Isis, and also reconcile with most of the anti Assad groups, that weren’t really given a choice about it anyway, like the FSA who quickly switched to Assad’s side when they started losing so badly.
    Erdogan signed his own death warrant back then by refusing to comply to the US/Israeli/Russian/Iranian/Arab League agreement, he became the odd man out, and the ONE man no one could ever do business with ever again.
    The FSA [the ones that could] then fled to Idlib and Aleppo and joined the Turks payroll. Erdogan brokered a short truce and alliance between the FSA and HTS for a short period, and they both coordinated their fight against the SAA for about a month. But FSA hotheads ended the truce by killing HTS fighters and that ended the shaky alliance for good, they’ve been fighting each other ever since.
    Erdogan also protected HTS from Russia and the SAA by including them in the Astana agreement, which not only peed off everybody else, but infuriated Putin. But in this new agreement the Turks have HTS listed as enemy combatants and fair targets for all, which suits the SAA and Russia to a tee, they’re about to go in and clean up all of southern Idlib/east latakia/northern Hama. and all with Erdogan’s blessings and possibly some help from him too.
    In April this year the Iraqis ended the first Kurdish strike by initiating airstrikes against Isis in Al Hasakah governorate. They didn’t ask for US permission or coordinate the attack with them, but instead made a big deal in the media of letting us know that they did ask for Assad’s permission and coordinated the strike with him. That got the Kurds moving and ended their strike, I said at the time, that Iraqi airstrike was a stern message to the Kurds to, either get off their butts and get rid of Isis, or the Iraqis would come in and do it for them.
    Back in oct LAST year the Iraqis, Russians and Syrians all launched a coordinated campaign to get rid of Isis near the Iraqi,Syrian border, they also asked the US to participate but the US refused. By dec they’d cleaned up all the southern border regions below the Euphrates on both sides of the Iraq/Syrian border, but all the areas north of the river in US/Kurdish control were still swarming with Isis. Iraq went on alone and cleaned up it’s side of the northern border completely within another 2 short months, but because Isis was still in control of most of Al Hasakah where the US was in control, the Syrian/Iraqi border areas north of the river were still porus and allowed Isis free range into Iraqi territory. The Iraqis put up with that until april this year and then they launched that airstrike into Al Hasakah that broke the first Kurdish strike. The SDF pushed into action and then went on to defeat 5000 Isis fighters in Ar Raqqah/Al Hasakah/Deir ez Zor in just 2 months, capturing and killing 400 Isis fighters but allowing the rest to blend back into the countryside. But they didn’t take back the small pocket of 1500 Isis fighters at Hajin, and 6 months later they’re still there. The SDF were successful at beating 5000 Isis fighters ranging over 3 different governorates in just over 2 months, but in nearly 6 months they haven’t been able to do the same at Hajin, a tiny area with only a supposed 1500 fighters, only a second Kurish strike explains that strange reality.
    The Kurds have been using this small pocket of Isis to blackmail Trump, they thought Trump needed them as an excuse to stay in Syria, but that was a mistake, Trump’s always said he wanted out, not even once has he ever said he wanted to stay, only Obama and his LGBTQI henchmen wanted to stay in Syria, the Kurds didn’t realize there was a big difference between Trump and the transgender Obama.
    Trumps been changing the ethnic makeup of the SDF since January, he’s been enlisting as many Arabs as he can into the SDF, and he’s roped in all the other minority groups like the Christians as well, and just recently even started recruiting Turkmen into the SDF, something he’d been reluctant to do until just recently. I kept saying they were going to be Trumps strike breakers and they were, they’re the guys fighting at Hajin now, not the Kurdish YPG, and they just broke the Kurdish YPG strike, now Trumps punishing the Kurdish/YPG for their insolence and ending his support for them.
    Trump no longer has to confront the Turks, the Kurds have now just become the Russian Syrian [and most likely French] problem, they’re no longer Trumps. If all the SDF returns to Assad’s control and joins the SAA, Erdogan will have less of a reason to attack the Kurds, if the French are manning the US built OB posts, there will be even less chance Erdogan would attack them, but that still won’t stop him, he’s unstoppable, and both Putin,Trump and everyone else has knows it too now. They suspected it back in may but it was confirmed beyond doubt in june when he refused to agree to the Daraa/Quneitra campaign, and then also incorporated the ex US backed FSA fighters, and the Saudi backed HTS fighters into his own proxy army, making HTS immune to Russian and SAA intervention. Pissing off Assad and Putin, but most importantly throwing a spanner into the Israeli/Iranian agreement whatever it was, and there MUST HAVE BEEN ONE even if it wasn’t reported on, the green light for the Daraa/Quneitra campaign, and the “Assad might be able to stay” were only possible if an agreement was reached between the Iranians and the Israelis. What Erdogan did by opposing the Daraa campaign, and then subsequently upsetting the Iranians by his actions in Idlib caused problems for the Iranian/Israeli agreement, and this is when all the other parties realized Erdogan has to go and can never ever be a part of the solution here.
    I often post that the war in Syria is already over, I say it really ended back in January, and in June/July Erdogan was killed off too, it doesn’t look like that yet because we still have stage 3 of the Putin/Trump plan to play out yet, what we see Erdogan doing now is just what a headless chicken does, all nervous responses and nothing intelligent.
    I’ve been saying the same thing on SF since January this year, Putin’s made a deal with Erdogan that will allow the SAA and Russia to take back all of the southern areas Erdogan and HTS now control, and in return Putin gave Erdogan a green light to invade the Kurdish regions in the east, safe in the knowledge the SAA and the Russians wouldn’t attack his forces that would remain in the north of Idlib and Aleppo. This would free up Erdogan’s forces in the west allowing him to move more troops east to confront the Kurds, and also allowing him to concentrate on just one enemy at a time, instead of fighting 2 wars on 2 different fronts, which he would have had to do without Putin’s cooperation.
    But at the same time Erdogan’s made a similar deal with Trump concerning the Kurds, I’m not sure what it entails but I suspect blackmail by Erdogan’s played a part in it. Since the Khashoggi affair the US has been distancing itself from the Saudis, the Turks brought that sordid episode to world wide attention and they did it for a reason. Normally I’d think the Turks would have kept it secret and used it for leverage against the Saudis, who they’re having lots of problems with, but they didn’t, they instead used it to embarrass the US and used it as leverage against them instead. Now that would normally make me very suspicious, but what’s happened since then sort of confirms it for me. The US has recently been detaining some of the suspected Turkish coup organizers living in the US, and also seriously investigating Erdogan’s claims of collusion between the Obama administration and the Turkish coup conspirators. If that’s because the US is now realizing there may have been some truth to Erdogan’s accusations, or more likely for me, the Turks are blackmailing them into it, I’m not sure. The fact the US had the sudden turn around about the Turkish coup conspirators makes me think blackmail though, maybe the Turks have evidence about the US also knowing about the incident and not releasing the info for fear of harming the US/Saudi relationship, or maybe even worse still, evidence of US complicity in the killing, a sacrificial lamb so as to speak, I wouldn’t put it past the US sacrificing a saudi citizen living in their country if it meant they could save a very important deal with the Saudis going bad. Whatever the reason the US has green lighted the Turks campaign against the Kurds, and we have the situation we have now, Erdogan has defacto US permission to attack the Kurds and move east.
    But as I say that’s just the end of phase 2 in the Putin/Trump plan to get rid of Erdogan, phase 3 begins when Erdogan invades the east of Syria and the SAA take back all the southern regions under HTS control, as well as some areas the Turks fighters are stationed, either by kicking them out or them leaving voluntarily.
    The Putin/Trump plan will give Erdogan enough rope to hang himself, and when the time is right they’ll also find the tree to hang him from, but even more importantly, they’ll also find the right people to finally kick the stool out from under his feet, the Turkish voters, their brilliant plan means they won’t even have to get their hands dirty getting rid of him.
    Once Erdogan’s made big inroads into the east and killed lots of Kurds and Arabs, but before he manages to capture any significant oilfields and gets anything but a few dribbles of oil for his trouble, Putin and Trump will spring their trap on him and phase 3 will commence.
    The SAA and Russia will attack the Turk proxies in Idlib and Aleppo, and a newly established force of ex Arab/Christian/Kurdish SDF units fighting under a SAA banner will fight the Turks proxies in the east. Most of the Kurds will remain in the YPG as a separate force allowing them to take on the Turks themselves and leaving all the Turkish proxies for the SAA and Russia and the ex SDF fighters.
    Some of you might think the Kurds alone won’t be enough to stop the Turks even with the SAA, Russia, and the ex SDF fighters all bogging down all the Turkish proxies. But I also foresee 2 separate no fly zones being established to stop Turkish air support and missile strikes against the kurds, one by the Russians to protect their own forces, and one by the US/French to protect the Kurds, and I also foresee huge hordes of Kurds fighting against the Turks with heaps of them rallying to the cause. I’ve been thinking it will be mainly Turkish PKK Kurds that will join their Syrian YPG brothers, some 30,000 fighters in total with most of them probably joining the fight, but I doubted many Iraqi PUK Peshmerga would also come and join the fighting, but now I’m not so sure. All reports lately seem to confirm they’re more than willing to come and join the fight too, so 30,000 more of them with even a quarter entering the fray means another 7,500 fighters, maybe more. No Iraqi KDP Peshmerga will join the fight though, they’re pro Turkish and more likely to hinder the PUK Peshmerga from even helping the Syrian YPG.
    So the Kurds have at least 30 to 35,000 well trained and well armed battle hardened veterans from the SDF, another 10 to maybe even 20,000 YPG units totally separate from the ex YPG/SDF forces, 20 to 25,000 Turkish PKK who will join, max 30,000, possibly another 7,500 to 10,000 PUK Peshmerga too, and then we have the Iranian Kurds. I have no idea but suspect a few of these will also join the fighting against Turkey. So I think at least 80,000 battle hardened Kurds will be facing the Turks, possibly as many as 100,000, and the 30 to 35,000 ex SDF/YPG forces will be well equipped and armed thanks to the US.
    I don’t see the Kurds getting a hammering at all, just the opposite, they may seem to lose out early on, but that’s just to entice Erdogan to push even harder, when the Putin/Trump trap is sprung, Erdogan will lose all his proxy army in a matter of weeks or months, and the Kurds will spend every ounce of effort they have killing as many Turks as they can in an effort to win back all their homelands. Once Erdogan’s soldiers start coming home to their mothers in body bags by the truckload, and the citizens of Turkey have gotten sick of carrying around a fistfull of money just to buy a loaf of bread, Erdogan’s 60% approval rating will turn into a 60% disapproval rating, and with hundreds dead after the coup attempt, and more than 10,000 locked up in Turkish jails, there’s going to be lots of scores to settle, Erdogan may well end up like poor old Saddam.
    With Erdogan gone we all get a new Turkish leader, and he or she will be a much more moderate leader than the last one was, the Turks wouldn’t vote in another hardliner in a fit, US sanctions would be lifted, It’s economy would grow, and the world would get along with the Turks again, it’s also the same for every other country in the region, peace and prosperity, just what everyone wants after a long hard war that was driving them all broke, peace and prosperity.
    I know that’s a long bible and I appreciate anyone who took the time to read it all, I think I’ve made a few relevant points, as well as including my far fetched predictions and analysis of the events that unfolded, I hope it’s food for thought for anyone who wonders how the hell what just happened did, if you didn’t see it coming this post of mine is for you. And the reason you probably didn’t see it coming is this, you’re probably only reading SouthFront and could never work it out in a million years even if you were a genius, not enough info and no speculative analysis here in this News source.

    • Loz

      My assessment is that the ‘behind the scenes’ analysis you present is likely to have some threads of truth, but consultation let alone consensus with USA is unlikely.

      However, all analyze the same situation, all consider other parties response. Yes, Russia has a long term view/analysis, but USA tends to have short term political ‘responses’, and any promoted long term strategy or analysis is always at the mercy of immediate politics and politicians.

      That said, all can see the reality, all can project ahead, so, as a practical matter, it may unfold as you suggest.

      A nice factual/speculative piece, well put together. Certainly ‘food’ for thinking, thanks.

  • Estranghero Arafat

    This is Goodnews syrian people will be happy about this. End of WAR in Syria is coming Very soon. Zionist just lost the War againts alliance of Assad, Iran and Russia.

  • Brian Michael Bo Pedersen

    “… the United States has defeated the territorial caliphate”

    Once again the trash US Gov do not give respect and credit to those who actually did the hard work, once again the US Gov shows how filthy and discusting they are and once again they show how little they actually care about their “allies”

    Oh, by the way, ISIS has not been defeated in Syria Donald Jackass Dump, but you just have to make any excuse to flee the country.

    And you will create any reason you need to go back there, no matter the consequences and costs.