U.S. Embassy In Amman Told Militants In Southern Syria: Don’t Rely On Our Military Intervention

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On June 23, U.S. Embassy in Amman informed the Free Syrian Army (FSA) in southern Syria in a message that they should not base their decisions on the assumption or expectation of military intervention by the U.S. and its allies against the Syrian Arab Army (SAA).

Furthermore, the U.S. Embassy in Amman encouraged FSA commanders in southern Syria to make decisions based on their own interests and the interests of their families and groups.

“You need to make your decision based on your estimation of your interests and the interests of your families. This estimation and this decision is in your hands alone,” U.S. Embassy in Amman said in its message, which was revealed by Sam Heller, an analyst of the Crisis Group.

The content of the message contradicts to the declared policy of the U.S. During the last two months, the U.S. Department of State warned the SAA and its allies from launching a military operation against the FSA in southern Syria three times. The U.S. even vowed to take “firm and appropriate measures” in response to any attack.

Several pro-government activists reported that many FSA groups in southern Syrian began negotiating with Russia in the last two days in attempt to reach a peaceful solution. The message of the U.S Embassy in Amman will likely boost these efforts, as the FSA may stop betting on foreign support.

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  • Drogba

    Never ever believe anything that comes out a zionist shithole mouth. Syria and it’s allies are going to free their zionist occupied lands no matter what the lying satanic zionists say or do.

  • John

    Hmmmmmm, not very encouraging for the rebels huh? I guess the deal making season is in full swing.

  • potcracker2588

    bs………..they just recieved a huge supply of tow missiles via amman……only good news tonight is that 3 IDF satanic pricks got run over by van by palestinian.yippi

  • svenne svensk

    As long as russia will give airsupport they will be fine

    • Rob

      As long as russia gives airsupport to SAA and their allies then Israel will be calm.

      • jorge

        Rob, where you read that the americans and israelis were going to attack tonight?

        • hamster

          I wouldn’t take anything Rob says seriously, including the stuff I agree with him on. He just goes on these random rants and most of his posts are copy pasted boring content. It’s the same exact shit in every article.

          • jorge

            Good morning, Hamster. Don’t worry with that. Good that you took care of Mountains seriously, nice job.

  • Pave Way IV

    “Wait… you actually trusted the Americans?? […laughing] Stop it! You’re killing me, here… [more laughing] I can’t breathe!”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/055c95ac46447a8a3f7b21807bf39c8e6f8de8050cd5abcbbd01688cf95ba77a.png

    • Feudalism Victory

      Its a rough old world.

    • Tudor Miron

      What is truely funny is that while Assad is very good and I admire him, I remember that in the beginning of 2000s he was great friends with west and didn’t look towards Russia much. But he learned the hard way and long ago. Now he’s loughing about those who didn’t learn.

      • Don’t read butthurt replies

        > I remember that in the beginning of 2000s he was great friends with west and didn’t look towards Russia much.

        I wonder why. What I do remember and won’t forget is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6syr1tjbgA

      • Wise Gandalf

        russians helped divide his country. they are the main controlors of division. still shitty nation.

        • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

          It is the US/EU/NATO/GCC/Israel gang that has caused murder and mayhem between Shia and Sunni Syrians by funding, arming and using jihadi head-choppers to achieve regime change.
          Who could forget the “Assad must go” farts of Obama, Cameron and Merkel?
          No wonder the secular Syrians are being gassed to death by their collective farts!

        • John Whitehot

          it must be hard for your kind seeing that all the ill-wishing, conjuring and cajoling to enslave the world has failed miserably and that the future humanity will look upon zionism as a stain on mankind’s history.

          know this: even if zios own all the medias of the world, at some point in the future, their plan and its disastrous end will be known by everyone.

          i can almost hear them laughing about your failure, and chanting all the free people that have prevented the fulfillment of your plan – as heroes.

      • Promitheas Apollonious

        and with the turks not only west.

    • Joe Dirt

      You little brain is easily brainwashed. No one can prove the legitimacy of this announcement.

      • Pave Way IV

        Oh come on, Joe. I can’t even prove the legitimacy of reports that the Daraa campaign against Southern Command’s Salvation Army has started. Even the anti-Assad, western-funded Syrian ‘activist’ media Enab Baladi is reporting this:
        https://www.enabbaladi.net/archives/236947
        CENTCOM shut down the Jordan MOC and stopped directly paying Southern Command head-choppers over a year ago. We probably still ‘secretly’ train and equip new meat for them in Jordan, but they were pretty much left to twist in the wind last year. They did their job for the US/Israel – to take over all Syrian air defense sites on the southern border – and then they were thrown out like trash. If the US, Jordan or Israel makes a move now, it will be for their own interests – not to help Southern Command or it’s fleeing refugees.

        • #’~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^

          Joe Dirt does not have enough BS left to keep defending the US’s depraved agenda, so he resorts to spewing nonsense hoping people won’t notice. ROFL.

          • Pave Way IV

            But his point is 100% valid and worth considering: Paveway is a dim-witted, brainwashed asshole. Umm… well, maybe not that part. I mean the part about legitimacy of the announcement.

            It will soon be an entire day since this news and the only [laughably] legitimate western MSM confirmation is from the Reuters arm of the CIA:

            “…A copy of a message sent by Washington to heads of Free Syrian Army (FSA) groups, which was seen by Reuters, said… blah, blah, blah”

            If the US government (the real shadow government, not the reality TV show performing chimps) wanted to prevent disclosure of that information, they would have as soon as Reuters contacted them to find out if it was real. So where is Reuter’s statement about the US government confirming or denying the statement? Where is the Jordan U.S. Embassy’s statement?

            “Reuters saw a copy of…” is nothing but a sad joke today. Everyone knows who Reuters works for – they don’t get paid to do edgey journalism to expose the truth. They are paid to spew news to lesser outlets, and massage the narratives for their masters. If Reuters reports it, then I know exactly ONE fact: the story is something the US government wanted all of us to see for some reason.

            Step back and look at the plausibility of this message to begin with. When did the US ever get so formal with the FSA, even when it existed? Everything is a God damn secret (mostly from the American people so we won’t string up our leaders). The U.S. Embassy in Jordan is not going to send such an oddball message to ‘the FSA commanders’ – they wouldn’t, and what’s the f’king point? And how on earth are they getting this to the ‘Southern Front’ ops center of the day? Isn’t there like three of them? I can’t even keep track. And who is a FSA commander? Anyone that claims to be one? Then ‘a copy’ of this curious message is seen by Zio-CIA Reuters almost immediately, but not a peep – even a call from Reuters – to the US Embassy, State Department, AIPAC or any other arm of the US government?

            Icing on the cake:

            ““We in the United States government understand the difficult conditions you are facing and still advise the Russians and the Syrian regime not to undertake a military measure that violates the zone,” the message also said.”

            1) I have never seen such a poorly-worded, legally sloppy document issued by the Department of State or any Embassy. It looks like a 14-year-old kid tried to sound like ‘the government’ and instead ended up sounding like a Hillary Clinton email.

            2) “We in the US Govt…” references are just never used. Ever. Except maybe by the deep state during presentations at their human child organ barbeque dinners. .

            3) The US Embassy in Jordan or State Department doesn’t write an official letter the same way Waffle House Nikki speaks at the UN. Advise ‘the Russians’? The Syrian regime? ‘violate the zone’? What kind of crap is that?

            To Joe Dirt’s credit, this ‘letter’ is probably bullshit propaganda and part of some larger evil US scheme. The ‘message’ maybe being that if something happens, it wasn’t the U.S. because… look! We just threw FSA under the bus. Or maybe the U.S. actually is going to mount a sizeable invasion (with the usual cronies) to save the head-choppers or their refugee families piling up at the Jordan and Golan borders. Later on, Waffle House Nikki can scoff: “Stupid cucks – we never send that fake letter to our FSA pals!”

            Either that, or it’s something from the pro-Syrian side meant to discourage the head-choppers (kind of doubt that, because it would have been denied quickly by the US).

            Everyone is lying about everything in Syria – there are no facts. Everyone is grasping at straws trying to find a few scraps of truth that support their beliefs, including me. My Assad parody above still applies 100%.

          • #’~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^

            I don’t know if this extensive message is meant as a reply to my simple 3-line reply to you, but let me say that I agree with your observations, except when you say i line 1 that Joe Dirt’s point is 100% valid.

            The reason I say that is because I did not read your initial comment as being an official announcement, but more like something you made up to make the point that Assad has got to a stage where he feels that anything the Americans say is just a big joke and certainly not to be taken seriously, esp. where cover of their so-called ‘allies’ are concerned.

            Joe Dirt, for lack of any sensible counter-argument, tried to make a fool of you by ‘interpreting’ your initial comment as if you presented it as a statement.

            Maybe I am completely wrong in reading your initial comment, in which case I will admit Joe Dirt’s point was 100% valid, though I do continue to see him as nothing more than a troll on this forum.

          • Pave Way IV

            Joe Dirt, for lack of any sensible counter-argument, tried to make a fool of you by ‘interpreting’ your initial comment as if you presented it as a statement.

            Precisely, and your response was spot on. I wasn’t defending Joe Dirt or attacking you. Your reply was just the first one (in order) so sorry if it appeared that way. It’s hard to maintain the continuity of a thread here on some posts.

            I was really trying to address the lack of any comments here skeptical about the ‘leaked’ letter, and the apparent ability of Joe Dirt or anybody else to deter a more rational discussion by polarizing the issue early on. It’s important that readers outside the US at least know the wording of the letter doesn’t look quite right (to at least this US reader), and is odd enough that it calls the whole thing into question. Fake news by who or for what purpose? I don’t know – yet.

            Joe Dirt’s ‘proof of legitimacy’ still hasn’t shown up anywhere that I can tell, aside from Reuters news wire competitor AFP (another Five Eyes subsidiary) also claiming to have ‘seen a copy’. Yet this ‘news’ continues to diffuse throughout the MSM without much questioning and will undoubtedly be used later on as fact to support some future BS narrative.

            I don’t want to make too much of this story, but the US has pretty much threatened to attack Syria for 1) any fake future chemical weapons reports by the White Helmets and, most recently, 2) ‘violating’ the US head-chopper protection zone. Someone obviously sees some benefit to pushing this contradictory story to the MSM, and the MSM (primarily outside the US) seems willing to cooperate without the least bit of skepticism. Inside the US, the news was mostly lost/ignored in the weekend news cycle and nobody is saying much about it. The important MSM news about Syria is that ‘Evil Russia has violated the cease-fire zone in support of butcher Assad’s invasion’, but that’s having little impact (as spun news) in the US, as far as I can tell. Nobody cares.

          • #’~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4v!=^

            We’re on the same page :-))

          • SurfaceBook

            thanks for the long explanation for everyone else in dispersing the lies of resident hasbara trolls , but engaging with hasbaras are in fact pointless as they do not seek truth but they will engage in pointless expletive ridden insult post to distract the comment section..

          • SurfaceBook

            yes , once a hasbara been outwitted in discussion , his last effort will be directed fo posting expletive ridden insults and nonsense..

            such is the posting guidance for all hasbara , when they cant argue facts , they will act like lawyer , when fact and law against them , they will scream and yell and pound the table like a petulant child.

          • Bob

            Absolutely accurate synopsis – once factually cornered the standard hasbara descends into desperate barrage of denial, projection and insults.

      • Bob

        Upset for your terrorists? Bad luck chump. See:

        https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1010643259922804736

      • Bob
      • Bob

        Confirmed by FSA field commander, bad luck chump.

        https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/1010643259922804736

      • Bob
      • Mountains

        Get the hell out of here mann with that nonsense. I said this years ago that the rebels only had themselves not even the Saudis as alot of people in here seem to parrot. They all want them to be ousted from Syria all together. This was the easiest thing to forsee in the current nature of political dynamic flow

        • hamster

          What you said “years ago” and what you’re saying now, was, and still is, largely a bunch of bullshit.

        • PZIVJ

          Check this out!
          Mountains against Joe Dirtbag.
          A troll on troll attack, just like Idlib. :)

          • jako

            the end is near….
            rats are attacking other rats

          • SurfaceBook

            it is so blatantly obvious for the troll @PZIVJ to defend fellow troll Joe Dirt and other trolls like Whitegandolf , Smaug and every other hasbara tasked on Southfront.

          • PZIVJ

            LOL
            I would be glad to see Joe Dirtbag, Smaug, Mountatins , and quite a few others be gone from SF.
            Are you the fascist moderator troll?
            Then be gone also. :DD

          • SurfaceBook

            thanks for confirming your affiliation with hasbara trolls.. for long time i watched your post and it is almost all trolling and insult to people who tried to post facts like Paveway.

          • PZIVJ

            You know, if you wanted to have an effect on hasbara trolls, you should not be posting on something that is 3 days old !
            I always support Paveway, his material is great.
            SO YOU ARE JUST A FRICKIN LIAR !
            Flag spam :D
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd9199ccb3d84152fc1466e80d2e450b602af628842894aa6f2c8ac3f6adaed3.png

          • SurfaceBook

            You are a double talking hasbara , i know the Modus operandi of astroturfing and you hasbara are pioneer in this IO (Information ops) segment of propaganda.

            basic MO for any hasbara is to pretend to be antizionost to establish credence on any forum he frequent. After that he will inject lies and propaganda according to the briefing document on his table that day.

            you fit the profile above ,20 by 20

          • PZIVJ

            My god, you are a delusional frickin idiot for sure !
            Do you have mental health problems? :DDD

          • SurfaceBook

            everyone , witness the hasbara SOP when caught in his lies and exposed to public , he will randomly post insults and deftly avoid the issue at hand.

            this is hasbara astroturfing modus operandi , when they cant debate you on facts , they will resort to act like lawyers or legalese , when they cant debate using fact and legalese , they will resort to insults..

            PZIVJ , Wise Gandalf, Smaug , Joe Dirt , Velociraptor and many more are just a group of Disqus ID used interchangeably by hasbara team tasked for this website.

          • PZIVJ

            Sorry, but not “everyone” is reading an article 4 days old now.
            If I insulted you it is because you deserved it for insulting me.
            By the way Solomon K. > Raptorhead > Gandalf is one person who changes names. Must be an officer who was under Warsaw Pact leadership and does not care for Russia at all. If you wish to discus further you should try posting on today’s articles.

          • SurfaceBook

            The rambling of a hasbara , total nonsense posted by PZIVJ because you been exposed as Hasbara Troll who defended other Hasbara trolls here with gusto.

            but please do go on posting , as i understand you hasbaras are paid per post , not by it’s content..

        • jako

          He only opens his mouth and there it comes: Mountains of SHIT !!!

      • Bob

        You seem terribly upset that the US will not swoop in and reinforce the militant factions in southern Syria, and that rather, they are more likely to be left to their inevitable fate. But face reality – the southern based militants have no offensive fighting capability left, they are increasingly a liability pleading for rescue, and accordingly their value to their foriegn paymasters is ever diminishing. Failed and demoralized proxy militant factions being cast aside when their use by date has expired – what a surprise – who would have guessed! Times up, chump.

        • SurfaceBook

          the only ones pushing for US intervention is the israeli and the world MSM.. US do not have the capability to get involved on the ground beyond a few spec ops types. The structure of US military is vastly different compared to the 1991 desert storm force structure , where US still got Cold War Trained military with large ground forces..

          today it is a light force with light infantry pretending to be commando

          • Bob

            I suspect Joe Dirt is Israeli affiliated – hence the distress over the dismal future prospects of the southern based militants and the inevitable loss of their occupied pockets on coveted southern-most Syrian territory.

          • SurfaceBook

            dont forget hasbaras always use a pool of multiple accounts to play sockpuppetry and to have his cubicle mate help defend him , like PZIVJ here.. a hasbara thats been lying low and never stoop to joe dirt level of ignorance..

            then again we got Smaug and Wise Gandalf.. hasbara trolls who lack common sense to differentiate their Disqus ID name , they foolishly choose a LOTR based names and that exposed themselves as sockpuppet accounts

  • Wise Gandalf

    This can be shadow and dust for Assad. And in reality will help. Who knows?

    • jorge

      Guy, go kill yourself somewhere else.

      • Wise Gandalf

        No chance.

        • jorge

          Said the Hollywood clown. Pity that the maoris didn’t eat you in New Zealand.

          • Wise Gandalf

            blocked, you idiot white trash!

          • jorge

            Oops, the poor little troll Gandalf is once again annoyed.

      • SurfaceBook

        just flag all hasbara troll as ‘spam’

    • Lena Jones

      Well it certainly won’t help klepto terrorist israel lol.

  • jorge

    Bla, bla, bla, Putin/Bibi deals…bla, bla,bla, Putin, russky cowards, bla, bla,bla, no one can defeat the US, bla,bla,bla and blablabla during months, meanwhile the syrians won the war with russian and iranian support. But I bet that the guys of the bla, bla, bla will insist in blablablaying when the Tigers will be again in Idlib and when the Tigers will be in East Euphrates.

    • SurfaceBook

      they cant help it , after all the briefing material on these hasbaras desk told them to push the narrative that :
      – russia scared of israel
      – russia betray syria , iran and everyone else
      – putin scared of bibi
      – putin in israeli pocket

      the more israeli lost in real world , the more obnoxious their hasbara trolling become

    • jako

      “But I bet that the guys of the bla, bla, bla will insist in blablablaying”

      No.
      They will be “blablablaying” something else and they will stop when situation changes.
      And if somebody asks them:
      Didn’t you claim all the time that “Russian are cowards” and that they have betrayed Assad and such…They’ll answer:
      No I never have said that!

  • Rob

    The American divide and rule conspiracy plots cannot run further because the nations have woke up that what US are doing with them making them idiots to do terrorism in their own countries or kill their own brothers and sisters.

    Therefore, now militants in Syria don’t wanna fight against their government and now handover their weapons to their government and settle their status. So in Syria the US plot flopped.

    For the last 30 years American and britain are fighting against Afghani Taliban Now US have injected English speaking ISIS terrorists from Syria and Iraq by helicopters into Afghanistan. Here in Afghanistan American and Britain have also accepted their defeat.

  • RusskiiTroll54

    I suspect this is an attempt to infiltrate FSA soldiers under the SAA ranks by pushing them to reconciliation,now i get it why the other day there was a report of about 1500 or 500 FSA soldiers surrendering to SAA, this is strange guys i mean i might be wrong but you never know, at the end of the day this is the way the war started, by infiltrating terrorists under civilians.

    • FlorianGeyer

      It is a possibility I agree.

    • John Whitehot

      Except that at the start, they had all kinds of support and perspectives, and they never thought that Russia would bomb them. Now their only perspective is to die, or get back at civilian life.

    • @Inc2Get

      That isn’t possible because when a group settles their status, it takes 6 months for them to join the army. Meanwhile, they will be escorted to a city free of arms and with security forces monitoring the areas daily. They also have many checkpoints to prevent weapon smuggling.

      Syria also closely monitor the defectors of the jihadi groups. These militants who wants to surrender were the ones who wanted to do so in the first place but HTS in Daraa prevented them.

      • Don’t read butthurt replies

        Why would the gov or Syrian Army allow ex-terrorist to join in? That’d be like Hezbollah allowing Mossad agents or IDF to join them. That’s suicidal and a dumb move.

        • Promitheas Apollonious

          if you want to rule the population of a country sometimes understanding and compromises must be made in order to establish unity. And the people who are forgiven and accepted back are Syrians not the mercenaries and foreigners invading the country so there is a difference.

        • It’s a standard practice in warfare for millenia. Jews in Egypt in the time of Pharaoh. Roman Foederati. Ottoman Janissaries. UK and various Native American tribes. Waffen SS. French Foreign Legion, etc. The list is endless. The Orcs won’t be SAA troops, but an allied militia. Allies of convenience. In a Civil War, like Lebanon’s for example switching sides for personal or tribal advantage is as common as dirt.

          • jako

            Ottoman Janissaries. were taken as little Christian children and brought up as Muslims.
            So that is not comparable at all.
            Waffen SS were VOLUNTEERS only and fascists by conviction (usually already members of fascist movements in their countries)

            Foreign Legion are doing it strictly for the money and French papers – nationality
            I doubt that Assad can offer the same frogs salary and French passport.

            The rest I agree..

          • SurfaceBook

            nowadays one do not need pasport to stay in france or any western european countries.. just claim as refugee and you will be received warmly

          • jako

            The word “nation” has become pointless and senseless the day when they have opened borders.
            That would be a crime of the worst kind in the days of the Cold War but not any more.
            People are sedated sheeple . They let go things like that unpunished
            And afterwards they are surprised when nobody really cares from elites what population thinks or wants.
            Maybe liberalism has lost many battles but they will win the globalist war because they are changing the demographic pictures of many nations irreversibly.
            White Europeans will become minority in their own countries.

        • jako

          If they disperse them and mix them up with all others than the danger is very small.
          As long as the others know who they are they will keep watching them till they prove themselves to be loyal.
          The only rule is NEVER have guys like that behind you on the front line.
          That’s the only rule.

  • michaelj72a

    fewer and fewer will now fight rather than switch (to the legit syrian gov’t side)

  • Gregory Casey

    Sounds as if Donny received his orders from Vladimir!! Good:)

    • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

      Just like YOU will carry out orders from me, foreign agent. I planted you here and you WILL do my bidding.
      See, how easily you can be “owned”?

  • Joe Dirt

    Fake news! Lol funny seeing how many people get brainwashed by a post.

    • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

      Gee, you must really love your IS/Al-Queda head-choppers. How does it feel to support the same ilk in Syria that murdered 3000 on 9/11? Chop, chop, chop!!!

      • Joe Dirt

        I did not say I support ISIS or Al-QUEDA. Hahaha, go troll elsewhere little boy

        • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

          Then stop bleating about Assad recovering his own country from the head-chopping terrorists.
          Which side are you on, BOY???
          Hail the SAA heroes who fight for all humanity against the barbarian head-choppers funded and armed by the US/EU/NATO/GCC/Israel gang.

          • Joe Dirt

            You want me to chose a side? How about we Nuke Mecca!!!! Lol

          • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

            Then someone will nuke Washington and your home town. How is that progress for mankind?

          • Joe Dirt

            Lol clearly you don’t understand….

          • SurfaceBook

            Joe Dirt AKA velociraptor AKA Smaug AKA White Gandalf are Disqus ID of hasbara group tasked with SouthFront comment section. Multiple people use these accounts and some account are used for pure insult and distraction while some account are the one pretending to discuss in civilized manner. A type of Good cop Bad cop routine as noted in Hasbara 101 SOP.

            he is not from america , he is posting from tel aviv at tel aviv business hours..

            though nuking tel aviv might help progress for mankind

        • John Whitehot

          except that you do.

      • Promitheas Apollonious

        So you believe that 18 arabs and one in a cave, have defeated all US defense systems and in the process hit pentagon and the twin towers…………

        • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

          How many people did that single diseased Jihadi kill in Nice (France) just by running them over with a lorry?
          It is the US which has stated Al-Queda brought down the twin towers and spanked the Pantygone HQ, and now they are supporting Al-Queda in Syria.
          What does that make them?
          Traitors to the American people who daily dance on the graves of 3000 US (and world) dead: GHOULS!

          • Promitheas Apollonious

            you missing the point. First find out who created them and for what purpose, then begin to call the master minds traitors. You also will help your self if search the roots also of all this various organizations with the strange names that change according to where the wind blows.

            Who are the american people? There are no american people beside the natives there, the rest are just settlers not unlike israel their last colony only bigger. So who exactly betray them? 90% of what you call americans they dont know where their as* from second base is, so I am absolutely sure if you speak to them and tell them what you saying here they will look at you with that look of the idiot who has no idea what are you talking about.

            So stop worry about who betray who.

        • SurfaceBook

          yes i believe it , but in every operation there’s supporting infrastructure and insiders , not officially of course.. let see the force dispositions

          – one in cave = patsy
          – 18 arabs = suicidal fools who will die

          that left certain elements like :
          – Funds = Saudi / Gulfie civilian donations all organized covertly by certain element in saudi high ups
          – Planners = covert ex intelligence from israel who aim for pulling US might into doing what israel wants
          – Enablers = covert ex intelligence in US who allow the 18 arabs to stay and train inside CONUS without getting exposed or captured by FBI counter intelligence.
          – Field Support = covert ex intelligence from israel and US who planted additional bombs inside WTC buildings to maximise the destruction because a plane hit wont demolish a large building (physically impossible)
          once the bomb
          – Propaganda support = the blame game pushed by the media to point fingers at the patsy (one guy in cave) , easy to do in the aftermath of the attack..

  • Mountains

    The US were never ever gonna assist the rebels in any way of form. Very predictable and in fact they are supportive of Assad massacring his own ppl and always were. Not a secret

    • jorge

      The Guiness for you, Mountains, as you are the upside down Einstein of the international analysis.

      • Mountains

        I’m a realist above anything else. I said this years ago. That there was no way in hell the US were supportive of the rebels and also I said that the Saudis never were supportive of the rebels also. Because there would be no reason for them to support them especially the House of saud who seem to have things on the line and there is interest of conflict it dosen’t make sense.

        I would also go out on a roll and say something none of you would never imagine. The Saudis were always economically assisting Assad

        • jorge

          Amazing, Mountains. By the way, have you read what Apollonious wrote about your medicines?

          • Mountains

            Lets save the jokes and banter for later.

            Let me explain this to you in a simple way?

            1. The world as you see today the world is united against one enemy that is called Salafist and that is any salafistic movement and even these they assume have any salafist element will not be supported by anyone whatsoever (I repeat this no regime or gov’t will support this is a fact as the sky is blue and water is wet)

            2. The rebels are more secular but do have some minority elements who are not and that is why they have been added into that list of they must go away.

            3. The Saudis are more concerned about having a salafist revolution within their own border more then anything else. Anyone assume to be linked to them are immediately killed and arrested in KSA (something that don’t even happen to the most extreme shia in Saudi arabia) Which goes to show you who they fear and view as a threat towards there throne

            4. As for the Europeans and Americans nobody wants to see the salafist come back to live after absence of nearly 100-years since the Ottomans

            5. As you can see the sentiment towards them in this website is exactly the same sentiment from US, Saudi EU or other middle eastern politicians even in Africa.

            6. They are entirely independent minority group of people who are off the grid and has no links to any government or anyone in particular

          • jorge

            I read what you wrote. May be you will predict the US retreat from Syria, no?

          • PZIVJ

            Porky, where did you copy and paste this material from? :DD

          • hamster

            1) Wrong, the world is not “united” against Salafism. There is rife amounts of evidence, and it is abundantly clear that Salafism is used as a political tool by numerous governments, and radical salafist groups have been armed, trained and funded by various Middle Eastern and Western governments when they suited their geopolitical interests.

            2) The rebels are not “secular”. This is abundantly clear with any sort of “analysis” (something you’ve demonstrated an spectacular failure of doing) of the structure and composition of the various elements within the “opposition” that they are largely representative of various strains of Salafism.

            3) Wrong. The Saudis are primarily concerned about certain specific Salafist geopolitical groups that are a threat to the monarchy. They are not concerned about the broader geopolitical religious movement as a whole. If anything, they are actively funding and exporting Salafism throughout the world. This has been thoroughly documented by anyone who has followed the money trail. That you are completely unaware of this suggests that maybe you should stick to doing some reading before proclaiming yourself to be some great “analyst” which you’re not.

            4) That you would classify the Ottoman empire of the last few centuries preceding WW1 as “Salafist” just blatantly shows that you have absolutely ZERO clue as to what the fuck you are talking about. You have absolutely ZERO knowledge of what “Salafism” is, and are apparently ignorant of the history of the Ottoman Empire. Why don’t you stick to beating your chest and rooting for the headchoppers still apparently holed up in Jobar in that glorious last stand you “predicted” before.

            5) Any decent person would have the same “sentiment” towards bronze age savages and their supporters, and the corrupt organizations and governments that use terrorist groups as a political tool as being the same “sentiment” that one would have towards cockroaches and pests. These degenerates don’t belong in the contemporary world and will ultimately go extinct.

            6) Wrong again. Nothing to really say here other than the fact that this is a lie, completely wrong, just like much of all the other delusional bullshit you’ve spouted off on Southfront. You’re such an embarassment, ROFL.

            Take your meds, faggot.

          • Mountains

            I’m calm about what I said. But you seem to be very emotionally unstable in a discussion which unfortunately makes you appear unwise and inscure for no good reasons.

            Aside from that let me explain this to you in a clearer way.

            Everything you said is wrong except the Ottomans. Yes I agree the Ottomans were not entirely salafists when they fall but the Ottomans as a whole to begin with were a purist Salafist in there early conquest of Istanbul and Europe but during their later stages they were going towards Sufism.

            Any everything else you said is simply wrong

          • hamster

            “Calm” or “not calm” is completely irrelevant. Everything you have said here and since you’ve reared your head up at Southfront has essentially been bullshit or rife with inaccuracies, exaggerations and falsehoods.

            And no, it is still not accurate to describe the early Ottomans as “Salafists”. Considering the evidence and facts are on my side, and considering your track record, I think it’s safe to assume that everything I said is completely accurate. And I don’t know why you keep going about being more “clear”. Everything you say is “clear” and legible. Nobody who reads your bullshit is “misunderstanding” what you’re saying. You’re just embarrassingly incorrect in everything you say.

          • Promitheas Apollonious

            why you give so much attention to the intentionally bullshitting, of someone so obvious?

          • hamster

            For entertainment, honestly. It really didnt require that much attention or effort on my part. I was literally face palming and laughing my ass off at some of the shit this guy writes. I literally find myself giggling and saying “is this guy really THAT stupid and delusional?”

          • John Whitehot

            “2. The rebels are more secular but do have some minority elements who are not and that is why they have been added into that list of they must go away.”

            They aren’t secular at all. The largest majority of them is Nusra. “Secular” elements, a small fringe, understood since long time that they would not had gotten any power in case of jihadist victory. Those that aren’t dead are reconciling.

          • hamster

            I honestly wonder where does he get this bullshit that the rebels are largely “secular”. Either that, or he just knowingly and blatantly spreads misinformation.

            Had the rebels been successful in overthrowing Assad, he probably would’ve claimed the opposite.

            It’s typical Islamist propaganda. If radical Muslims lose, its because they were “secular” or “corrupt”, or were only a “tiny minority”. If radical Muslims score a victory, its because they closely emulated the Prophet Mohammed and his earliest companions.

            Of course its a bullshit and historically inaccurate narrative, but it’s a useful tactic to prey upon and exploit vulnerable populations that have historically suffered under colonial rule, lack opportunities or face an identity crisis. “Lets return to the 7 century because that’s when we were “great” and “powerful””.

            He’s a typical Salafist headchopper who has bought into this narrative. Well… he’s probably not a headchopper himself. He’s too much of a coward to fight in any war, and spends his days “calmly” typing up profuse dribble and bullshit on various boards. But you get the point. He’s a socially ostracized loser, and thinks the world is out to get him and people like him.

          • John Whitehot

            the joke that rebels were secular has been told in first place by the US, Turkey, Israel, Saudia and so on – when some genius in Tel Aviv or Washington coined the term “Free Syrian Army”.

            At that time, the msm identified only two anti-government factions in Syria, ISIS and FSA.

            I remember the first days of the Russian interventions when Obomber pedantly repeated that “the Russian are also bombing the legit opposition”. There was no or little talk about al-nusra at the time.

            In all this murk, I’m particularly disgusted at the western journalists which perpetuated the zionist side of the story.

            It ‘s crystal clear to me, how these people have lost any respect towards the ethic fundaments of their job, and renounced to help the truth getting to the people in exchange of money and ratings.

            These people bear a heavy responsibility for the sorry state the US and the western country in general are currently in – and will have to make heavy amends to clear their consciences, and have a hope to prevent the disasters that unconscious guilt feelings will deal to them.

        • hamster

          Your “analysis” on pretty much everything you have said on Southfront since you reared your ugly head around here has been essentially a string of epic fuck ups and lies that contradict the facts on the ground.

          You have a notorious record and reputation of absolute abject failure in everything you “analyze”.

          Your assertion that the Saudis “never” helped the opposition is just another example of your delusional lunacy. Keep making excuses for your low-IQ bronze-age degenerates getting their ass whipped. Runts like you have stopped being relevant to the rest of the world for over 1 and a half years now. That’s why you magically “disappear” every time one of your “analyses” goes haywire or your predictions end up not panning out. To save face and a load of embarrassment on the internet.

          Don’t worry bitch, everyone here has decent memory. Go take your fucking medication now.

          • PZIVJ

            That’s pretty harsh Hamster, but I like it. :)

          • Mountains

            You seem to be very insecure

          • hamster

            And why exactly would I be “insecure”? You’re a little fucking runt with an opinion on the internet, and pretty much everything you say seems to have this miraculous attribute of just being wrong almost 100% of the time.

            “insecure” is what happens when some dipshit nobody in front of a keyboard starts boasting about how some band of medieval thugs are going to put up some epic “last stand” for the history books, and then magically disappears for a few months out of embarrassment.

            Then the dipshit resurfaces a few months later pretending to be relevant or trying to assert that their “opinions” still matter. Talk about “insecure”.

            Go chew on some fucking Xanax, bitch.

          • Mountains

            You seem to be emotionally unstable to come on Southfront in the first place. Speaking of medicine you seem to be more in need of it. You are worked up unnecessarily in a debate that is red alert for mental issues.

            You are insecure about you stuff hence you are worked up. I’m calm about it

          • jako

            You are “mountains” of SHIT !!!

          • hamster

            I “seem” to be emotionally unstable. Is this another one of your fantastic “analyses” or is that just something you like to tell yourself to make yourself feel better about your pathetic existence while pretending to be important? I wasn’t aware we were having a “debate”.

            A debate typically requires 2 people with some minimum amount of intellect and integrity, not a ranting, anxiety ridden psychopath belching and sputtering to everyone about how “calm” they are.

          • jako

            I think that you are too soft on him,
            but than it might be only me.

        • Redadmiral

          We all got use to you being on the Clozaril

    • Promitheas Apollonious

      dont mix your drugs boy, your single cell obviously, can not handle it.

    • PZIVJ

      The mountain troll is back!
      Porky, where have you all this time, visiting friends in Tel Aviv?

    • hamster

      HEEEEY. Look who’s back! Dipshit Mountains went into hiding after Eastern Ghouta got liberated from his headchopper friends.

      Didn’t you say the headchoppers in E Ghouta, and especially in Jobar are not going to reconcile, will dig in hard, and resist for years to come? Funny how you disappeared a few days after your “prediction”. Same as your earlier “prediction” about protracted battles in Aleppo. How fucking pathetic.

      Let’s see what your next “prediction” is. At this point its pretty much safe to bet on the exact opposite of happening on everything you say.

      • My bet is that “Mountains” opens a new Disqus account!

    • Nod

      “in fact they are supportive of Assad massacring his own ppl”

      You are a fucking liar, andéor an idiot. There is no logic, or reason, to Assad killing those who overwhelmingly support his government, and their own sovereignty against American invasion and terrorism on the middle east.

      Drink more fluoride you dumb shit.

      “Million Person Marches

      On March 29, 2011 (less than two weeks into the fantasy “revolution”) over 6 million people across Syria took to the streets in support of President al-Assad. In June, a reported hundreds of thousands marched in Damascus in support of the president, with a 2.3 km long Syrian flag. In November, 2011 (9 months into the chaos), masses again held demonstrations supporting President al-Assad, notably in Homs (the so-called “capital of the ‘revolution'”), Dara’a (the so-called “birthplace of the ‘revolution'”), Deir ez-Zour, Raqqa, Latakia, and Damascus.

      Mass demonstrations like this have occurred repeatedly since, including in March 2012, in May 2014 in the lead-up to Presidential elections, and in June 2015, to note just some of the larger rallies.

      In May 2013, it was reported that even NATO recognized the Syrian president’s increased popularity. “The data, relayed to NATO over the last month, asserted that 70 percent of Syrians support” the Assad government. At present, the number is now at least 80 percent.

      The most telling barometer of Assad’s support base was the Presidential elections in June 2014, which saw 74 percent (11.6 million) of 15.8 million registered Syrian voters vote, with President al-Assad winning 88 percent of the votes. The lengths Syrians outside of Syria went to in order to vote included flooding the Syrian embassy in Beirut for two full days (and walking several kilometres to get there) and flying from countries with closed Syrian embassies to Damascus airport simply to cast their votes. Within Syria, Syrians braved terrorist mortars and rockets designed to keep them from voting; 151 shells were fired on Damascus alone, killing 5 and maiming 33 Syrians. ”

      “Candidate Party Votes %
      Bashar al-Assad Ba’ath Party 10,319,723 – 88.7%
      Hassan al-Nouri NIACS 500,279 -4.3%
      Maher Hajjar Independent 372,301- 3.2%
      Invalid/blank votes 442,108 -3.8%
      Total 11,634,412 100
      Registered votes/turnout 15,845,575 73.42
      Source: SANA, SANA
      ————-

      NEXT FACT that 30 nations oversaw and concluded the election was free and fair…

      “An international delegation from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela[12][13] issued a statement claiming the election was “free, fair and transparent”.[14]”

      NEXT fact Assads OPPONENT in that election also declared the elections free and fair…

      “Hassan al-Nouri – held a press conference at the Damascus Sheraton Hotel where he congratulated President Assad for “winning confidence of the Syrian people through winning the presidential elections.” Nouri also claimed that the electoral process had been clear and transparent to the entire world, adding that both he and his representatives had inspected the vote counting. “

  • Translation: You Salafist Orcs need to stage some gas attacks that FUKUS will blame on Assad.

    • jako

      Yes they can have gases and they can even blame Assad for that flatulence.

    • Redadmiral

      Indeed Richard: Yanki double talk, straight from Blair, “we have to reject the evidence of our eyes and ears”

  • jako

    Meet The Fake Hebrews

    “they adopted Hebrew names to complete their “Hebraization” process”
    https://cufpa.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/jews-with-fake-hebrew-names.jpg

  • Assad must stay (gr8rambino)

    AHAHAHAHA YEA THATS RIGHT SHITHADISTS!!! RUN!!!