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Turkish, Russian Defense Ministers Discuss Situation In Syria’s Idlib

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Turkish, Russian Defense Ministers Discuss Situation In Syria's Idlib

ILE IMAGE: Şimal Müldür – Anadolu Ajansı

The new agency TASS reports (source):

Turkey’s Defense Minister Hulusi Akar has held a telephone conversation with his Russian counterpart Sergey Shoigu ahead of the possible visit of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to Russia, the Turkish Defense Ministry said in a statement posted on its official Twitter account on Wednesday.

“Minister of National Defense Hulusi Akar and the Russian defense minister held telephone talks. The sides discussed the latest developments in Idlib and assessed regional security issues in the framework of agreements reached in Sochi,” the statement said.

The Russian Defense Ministry also reported that Shoigu and Akar discussed problems in the Idlib de-escalation zone and other issues.

“During talks, the defense ministers discussed the situation in the Idlib de-escalation zone and other issues of regional security,” the Russian Defense Ministry said.

These are the first talks between the Russian and Turkish defense ministers this year. They last met on December 29 in Moscow in the “2+2” format, together with the foreign ministers of the two countries. After December’s talks, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said that Ankara plans to continue closely cooperating with Russia and Iran in Syria.

On January, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is expected to visit Russia to hold talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Anadolu Agency earlier reported that the sides might discuss a wide range of issues, including the situation in Syria and contract on Ankara’s purchase of S-400 missile defense systems from Russia. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said earlier that the date of Erdogan’s visit to Russia has not been set yet.

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  • RichardD

    The Jews are Russia’s primary enemy, and have been for a long time. Both domestically and internationally. They’ve brought more death, destruction and suffering to Russians than anyone else. The renewal of Jew airstrikes on Syria is targeting the S-400 sales, US withdrawal, and Russia’s reputation as an ally, arms provider, and security guarantor who will sell it’s allies and arms customers out to the Jews every time.

    The US, Europe, and Russia should get along. It’s the Jews who constantly keep them at each other’s throats. The current ziocon anti Russia criminal insanity being a perfect example of divisive Jew machinations in progress. With Russia and it’s allies being vilified and sanctioned for eliminating the Jew’s and their sycophant’s terrorists and defeating the Jew’s regime change machinations.

    Christendom and our planet should be dejudified to create a Jew free world without Jew crime, corruption, and evil that will be much better for humanity.

    • jorge

      The nazis weren’t jews, and were the nazis “that brought more death, destruction and suffering to Russians than anyone else” besides the mongol occupation.

      • RichardD

        Jews financed Hitler, the Zionists collaborated with the NAZIs, and the Germans had nothing to do with the Jew run genocide in Russia before and during WW2.

        • jorge

          Richard go discuss with the Russian historians, your problem is with them.

          • RichardD

            You’re either ignorant of Russian history or misstating it. The Jews were up to their eyeballs in forming and running the Bolshevik terror machine:

            “Communist Jews were the commandants of 11 out of the 12 main Stalinist-era Gulags, or concentration camps, including the camp system directors Matvei Berman and Hershel Jehuda.”

            – Jewish-Run Concentration Camps in the Soviet Union –

            https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Run-Concentration-Camps-Soviet-Union/dp/1291002758

            They were extensively involved in Nazism:

            – Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler – the history of banks who funded Nazis –

            ://www.bastabalkana.com/2013/07/wall-street-and-the-rise-of-hitler-the-history-of-banks-who-funded-nazis/

          • jorge

            I didn’t knew that the russian history was made by an nazi in 1937, that surely wasn’t deliberately misstating it, lol.Suggestion, don’t be too quick of accusing the others of ignorance or of deliberately misstating the History.

          • RichardD

            “His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.”

            – Stalin’s Jews –

            https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

          • jorge

            You have deleted some parts, at least, of your first posts in that discussion, so, if you have any shadow of respect for debate, put again, here, what you have deleted.

          • jorge

            About the so called first soviet government, ir reality, the first bolshevik government, of the 16 members, second a wikipedia file, none of the first five, Lenin, Gorbunov, Milyutin, Ovseyenko, Krylenko, was borned in an jewish (or hebreo) family or professed the jewish religion. There’s nothing in the Net showing that their families were jewish. The others 11 will follow

          • RichardD

            I’ll take Putin’s word for what happened. Lenin would qualify for Israeli citizenship as a Jew.

            “a seven-man “Political Bureau” was chosen. It consisted of two Russians (Lenin and Bubnov), one Georgian (Stalin), and four Jews (Trotsky, Sokolnikov, Zinoviev, and Kamenev”

            – The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution
            and Russia’s Early Soviet Regime –

            https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

          • jorge

            Yes, but that is for the Political Bureau, and even like that Putin has no lucky, because 4/7 = 57%. Putin is a primary source to actual History, but is no source at all for past history, so, he can be wrong, there isn’t any crime.

          • RichardD

            The political structures changed constantly in the early years. I’ll go with the Israeli definition of who is a Jew. That particular entity is over 70% Jew. And who actually ran what isn’t completely open source material. And some of what is is contradicted by classified records that few outside of Russian intelligence have seen. And being a KGB Lt Col and head of state, Putin would have access to that material.

          • jorge

            Well, that’s a theory, but let me now finish the search about the first soviet government. In the next days I will study the question of the Gulag, the NKVD and the participation of guys of jewish origin in their building up.

          • RichardD

            What part isn’t fact?

          • jorge

            Second the historic method, all are not facts, because the book of 1937 can’t be considered a secondary source, neither an opinion article on an israeli newspaper, but they can be taken as traces, or written material containing traces that we can investigate.

            And by the way, a “fact” in History is only something about what there are reasonable evidences pro and no reasonable evidences against.

          • RichardD

            I asked you what isn’t fact in the comment that you replied to, not the entire thread. I’m familiar with the scientific method from hypothesis to theory to fact, and judicial standards of evidence up to and including prima facia. Are you? If you’re not you might want to read up on that first if you want to debate constructively with me.

          • jorge

            No historic sources, no facts second history, your sources are not sources, you don’t have facts, simple, no?

          • RichardD

            Your comment doesn’t make sense. Is English your first language?

          • RichardD

            You have a history of when you can’t prove your points or disprove mine using the scientific method and judicial quality evidence of the type that you use to navigate your life every day, of degenerating into idiocy and moronic behavior making a fool out of yourself by spewing a lot of nonsensical stupidity and blatant lies. It’s very immature and hypocritical. Trying to conduct a rational debate with you is a waste of time.

          • RichardD

            There was no need to repost the entire quote. The point is is that that history is available from a range of sources. Including Wiipedia.

          • jorge

            Okay, I’m working under on the first soviet government.

          • RichardD

            Really?

            “Russian president Vladimir Putin has said that Jews made up “80 to 85 percent of the first government of the Soviet Union” following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.”

            – Putin: ‘80% of First Soviet Government was Jewish’ –

            http://www.occupypalestine.tv/putin-80-first-soviet-government-jewish/#.XDdGZVVKhdg

          • jorge

            Really, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin%27s_Cabinet#The_original_People's_Commissars

            And the answer to your second post is also here, the most part of the first bolshevik cabinet was executed in the Stalinien era. By the way, Putin is not an historian, so, let Putin out of this.

            And Richard, you are citing an nazi source of 1937 for ‘yours’ Gulag jewish commanders.

          • RichardD

            You haven’t disproven anything that I’ve written. I’ve looked at the open source material in depth. Putin has looked at the open and closed source material. If you don’t think that someone who has run the Russian government for 2 decades is a credible source, then you’re irrational.

            “We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish …

            An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the “bloodthirsty dwarf.”

            Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. …

            Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We’ll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD’s special department and the organization’s chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.

            In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.”

            – Stalin’s Jews –

            https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

          • jorge

            And even those you call jews it’s false, because not even one of them professed the jewish religion, they were all atheists, you can call a few of them of hebreo origin, nothing more. You are all disproved, you cite sources that are not of history or are nazi sources of 1937, and you dare to repeat nonsenses against the list of the first bolshevik cabinet that I linked so you can read it.

          • RichardD

            That’s a bald faced lie and you know it.

          • jorge

            For you all the General History surely is a bald faced lie, because for you the only truth History is writen by guys as that nazi author of 1937.

          • RichardD

            “His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.”

            – Stalin’s Jews –

            https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

          • jorge

            History books, Richard, of respected authors, please, and not the kind of sources that you usually call rubbish.

          • RichardD

            You haven’t disproven anything that I’ve written. You don’t even consider someone who has run the Russian government for decades to be a credible source. You’re an irrational liar. I’ve provided a ton of proof. You’ve provided lies and stupidity.

          • jorge

            Oh yeahhh, no one is able to disproven nothing that you writes, and all that don’t say amen to you are irrational liers. You are a funny guy.

          • RichardD

            You’re the one rejecting judicial quality evidence because it doesn’t support your lies and stupidity.

          • jorge

            Well, Richard, as you entered since a litthe bit in the trying to insult ground, end of the discussion.

          • RichardD

            You’re the truth hater and disinfo peddler, not me. You provided 1 link that didn’t prove your point. I’ve provided many that prove mine. Here’s another:

            “Matvei Davidovich Berman (Russian: Матвей Давыдович Берман; April 10, 1898 – March 7, 1939) was a Soviet intelligence officer and head of the GULAG Soviet prison camp system from 1932 to 1937.[1]

            Berman was born in Andiranovka, Chita, Transbaikal Oblast, the son of a Jewish brickyard owner.”

            – Matvei Berman –

          • jorge

            I repeat, you tried to insult, so, end of the discussion.

          • RichardD

            You can’t prove your points or disprove mine. You are the one making a fool out of yourself.

          • RichardD

            If being called a liar and a scammer bothers you, then don’t insult the people that you’re replying to with lies and scams.

  • Willing Conscience (The Truths

    The Turks and the Israelis are both looking to Russia now, with the US pulling out of the area, who will be left with ground forces and all the excellent AA systems with anti ballistic capabilities parked conveniently right next door to Israel, I wonder who?
    The Israelis and Erdogan are both kissing Putin’s butt red raw now, he has something they both want now, which means he can start pulling strings in the region like it hasn’t been able to until now. And since he also has something the Iranians and the Kurds want too, he has something to barter with where all 4 parties are concerned. All eyes should be on Putin now, he’ll become the new puppet master in the Arab region including Turkey, the US is bowing out to whatever extent it can, sorry, not the US deep state, just Trump, and he’ll do it before the next US election if he can.
    Contrary to my fellow posters comment I think the opposite is occurring, the new dynamic in the region will have Russia at the top of the tree, with Iran, the Israelis, the Arab League, and Turkey [eventually without Erdogan], all looking to Russia to help work out all their security, trade and economic, political and humanitarian issues. The US is not only withdrawing it’s military from Syria, it’s also absolving itself from some of its obligations to certain parties in the region, at least to a certain extent they are. The US doesn’t need the Saudi oil or gas anymore, they have their own, and why should the US pay for the Israelis security alone, now the Russians can help out with some money too, since they’re about to gain quite a few benefits in the region, and make a bucket load of cash too.
    Politics and money before everything else, that’s the golden rule that is never ever broken, and it’s not being broken here either now, just modified a little.
    Lets see whos bum is going to become the reddest because of all the butt kissing, I’m certain if we pulled Putin’s pants down now it would be cherry red already, soon it’s going to bleed, especially due to the Israelis, they have the most reason to kiss his butt the hardest and longest.

    • Brother Ma

      Well worded. How can we make money from it as well?

      • jorge

        Write a good book in english.

    • Absolute nonsense.
      Israel owns USA deep state and USA deep state still controls East bank of Euphrate by military force and Kurd scums.
      Turkey owns Bosporus so Russia has only very small leverage on Erdogan and must cooperate. Putin probably saved Erdogan’s sorry ass during Mossad-CIA attempt to coup d’etat and assassination attempt on Erdogan, but it didn’t made Erdogan trustworthy partner. He is a treacherous bastard anyway and will betray Russia soon as he did before.
      He betrayed USA as well by pushing his agenda and killing NATO-backed Kurds.
      There is no light on the end of the tunnel for Syria.
      Territorial integrity will never happen.
      Fight will be ongoing for decades, similar situation as in Afghanistan until all wrongdoers (namely Israel, USA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia) are totally destroyed.
      Which is something Russia is not able to achieve. Sorry. End of the fairy tale.

      • Willing Conscience (The Truths

        Trump runs the show, he’s been proving it, the deep state is losing and Trump’s winning, that’s what I see.
        Bosporus under Erdogan’s rule is a problem, under a new Turkish leader it might not be, Erdogan may have a 60% approval rating but the other 40% would lynch him on the streets if they could, with some help from Putin and Trump, and a heap of Turkish soldiers going home in body bags, and with a failing economy as well, how long would it take that 60% approval rating to turn into a 60% disapproval rating, when that happens Erdogan’s history, probably shot or hanged by a mob, maybe even drowned in the Bosporus straights, not even a coup needed for Erdogan now, an angry mob will do.
        I’ll say it again, the war in Syria ended back in January, all you’re seeing now are the death throws of a dead man, Erdogan may be moving around but everyone else killed him back in June/July, they’ve already dug a hole for him in Al hasakah, and all they’re waiting for now, is for him to fall in it.

    • jorge

      Willing, if the “The Turks and the Israelis are both looking to Russia NOW”, where was any secret collusion before? Another thing, do you know when was the last YPG’s attack in Afrin?

      • Willing Conscience (The Truths

        Before Assad launched the Darra/Quneitra campaign back in June the deal had already been done, I don’t know when exactly but perhaps as early as January. I won’t go into detail, you can check my posts for more detailed info or google search, but simply put, before June the Mantra from everyone was Assad had to go, the Iranians had to withdraw, Erdogan placed the OB posts in Idlib in between the losing rebels and the advancing SAA, and the US threatened to protect the rebels in Douma when the SAA was attacking them there, and Jordan was anti Assad and supporting at least 2 Arab militias and the Southern front alliance, but after June it all changed. Back in January the Arab League had decided to end support for the war in Syria, they actually sacked the Saudis from their top dog position in the League, and then invited both Iran and Syria to discuss a compromise of some sort, again I won’t go into detail, you can check my old posts or google for info on why they decided to end hostilities, but to cut a long story short, it was in all their best interest. So with the Arab league on side and with Iranian cooperation to bargain with, King Abdullah of Jordan, who had his own problems with Isis starting in Jordan, went to the US with a proposition. Putin and Trump had already been accused of being too friendly by the deep state, and I think they were right, I think that Putin and Trump hatched a secret deal sometime before June with the prompting of King abdullah and the rest of the Arab league, and the collusion began.
        After June we heard the new mantra, Assad can stay, even the Israelis said it, then Assad got the green light from both Trump and the Israelis to take back Daraa/Quneitra with no opposition from them, Trump sacked the FSA and also told them not to fight Assad, king Abdullah forced the Southern front army to stand back and watch assad kich the FSA and HTS out, the Iranians no longer had to withdraw from Syria according to Israel, in fact the Israelis even busted the Iranians wearing SAA uniforms and participating in the fighting, something they weren’t supposed to do, and the Israelis didn’t even make a big deal about it, just a few funny lines. The only party that didn’t say Assad could stay was Erdogan, he alone put up opposition, and for a while the Israelis got upset and threatened to end support for Assad’s continuation, luckily they changed their minds eventually and in June Assad started going gangbusters. The collusion was the Russians organizing a security pact between the Iranians and the Israelis, that the Russians themselves could and would guarantee, and that Trump would get something out of it too. Trump’s been saying since January he wants out of Syria and he told the Kurds back then that they should seek resolution with Assad, if he also worked out a deal with Putin that assured the Kurds would remain safe after he pulled out, and also guaranteed the Israelis security concerns about Iran and Hezbollah, then he also gets what he wants, assured security for both the Israelis and the Kurds, which the Russian would now be responsible for, and he got to pull his troops out. Everybody was happy except for Erdogan, he was the only one not in on the collusion, all the other parties left him out of the secret deal, and know even though he was the one that objected to ending the war, he’s the one still making trouble. Erdogan’s harming the secret deal between Israel, Russia and Iran, by not ending the war when they wanted him to he’s somehow given the edge to the Iranians, the Israelis did have a better deal back before June, but since Erdogan’s refused to stop fighting, that good deal they must have had has become less tenable for some reason, and the Israelis absolutely hate him for it. But that’s only half of it, on the side Putin’s colluding with Erdogan about Idlib, and Trump must have some sort of deal with Erdogan to embolden him enough to threaten an invasion, but I think the biggest collusion is yet to come, I actually believe both Putin and Trump want to get rid of Erdogan, and they have a secret deal to do just that, that’s 6 to 12 months away though. I think that’s where the collusion was, but I may be wrong, history will tell us all eventually, we’ll see.
        I’m afraid I’ve upset too many people with my post and spent too much time responding to them, I haven’t had a chance to check about Kurdish attacks in Afrin, though I think we’re only going to see more from now on, not less, the Kurds from the western enclave are itching for a fight, Erdogan’s kicked more than 300,000 of them out of their homes, and the Kurds want their homes back.
        Putin has to be a puppet master, some of the people he’s dealing with are so stupid he has no choice, you know the old saying, “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink, but Putin can.

        • jorge

          Thanks, Willing, but it’s going to take a little time to know what has real happened in the diplomatics contacts, never the less, I agree with you that since June many thing in the international arena has begun to change.

  • I can give you rough summary of the discussion:
    Putin: In IDLIB de-escalation zone are 10-50 civilian casualties daily and we will not tolerate it
    Erdogan: But it is not our fault, it is HTS, not ‘moderates’ who are killing civilians
    Putin: But my intel infom me otherwise. I was told that your ‘moderates’ withdrew without fight and gave HTS de-escalation zone to accomplish genocide
    Erdogan: But Russia want SouthStream and S400 contract, isn’t it ? You can tell dumb Syrians that it is OK in Idlib and you will not intervene against HTS
    Putin: OK

  • gustavo

    Why does this fuc….Turkish have to discuss with Russia about Syria war ? Turkey must go back home and let Syria to solve its problems. Turkey is an invader country. Turkey support terrorists to destroy Syria, Turkey supported the bombing made by USA-NATO to Syria, using the fake chemical weapons news. Turkey has been smuggling Syria oil and industrial part with the help of terrorists. Shall do I continue, or that is enough ?