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Turkish Media Releases Incredibly Ambitious “Five States, One Nation” Map

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On December 27th, Turkish outlet Haber TV released a map showing a “friendship plan” for what they refer to as the “Turkic world.”

The map that shows the “friendship plan” is … ambitious, at the least.

It is interesting how it will be turned into reality, but the report doesn’t go far enough to elaborate on that part of the plan.

This report was made following statements by retired Russian Lieutenant General Leonid Ivashov on December 20th.

According to him, Official Ankara is expanding its influence on the former lands of the Ottoman Empire and considers Crimea as a former territory.

Ivashov is the former head of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Russian Defense Ministry and he spoke on the air of the Roy TV Internet channel.

“Turkey at the official level with the Zelensky government is negotiating just about the problem of Novorossiya and the problem of Crimea. Moreover, Turkey talks about Crimea as if neutrally, not recognizing it as Russian, but at the same time does not promise to return it to Ukraine. That is, it is playing its game,” said the general.

According to Ivashov, Turkish official documents state that Crimea is the former territory of the Ottoman Empire.

Turkish Media Releases Incredibly Ambitious "Five States, One Nation" Map

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“So we see that it will not end only with Karabakh. But the movement to Central Asia and the activity shown there by third-level officials, and so on,” the retired colonel-general noted.

Ivashov stressed that in Turkey at the state level they are working with Ukraine both in Crimea and Donbass.

According to Haber TV, the Russians are scared by the “five states – one nation” concept and that this project is underlined by the many cooperation agreements Turkey has signed with nations such as Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan.

The initial plan was a two-state, one-nation project between Turkey and Azerbaijan but it is rapidly spreading.

And then, the map shared by Haber TV provides some quite significant claims that cover large parts of Caucasus, Crimea, a very large part of Central Asia, about 1/3 of the territory of Russia, and even China, in addition to parts of Syria, Iraq, Iran and more.

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How that could actually happen in reality, remains a mystery.

According to Haber TV, Russian media are concerned because of the plethora of military deals that Turkey has signed with the countries, and namely – Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan.

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Proud2BArab

A country with these borders would surely be a superpower , It will have Iraq and Caucasus oilfields , Iranian , Russian fertile lands and a huge population BUT it seems to be impossible to happen given the numerous ethnicities living in these lands and cultural , Religious diversity .

farbat

this is the most delusional stuff

Ali

Don’t take this that seriously. It’s just something some pan turk erdogan fanboy made in his basement for himself to jack off to. I mean, look at how Tajikstan is included. The same Tajiks who speak Persian and have an Iranian heritage. They think they have them in the same team. Deslusion is an understatement.

Mark M. Nobelman

Tajikstan is allied with Turkey actully and always have. They share nothing in common with Iran except Language and ethnicity closely related not the same people but somehow close but other then that they never shared common politcal grounds since Iran became Shia in 1602. Which means Iran has been shia only for recently but traditionally Sunni country

farbat

pan turkish manifesto is a joke it doesnt work so make up a better delusion you losers we will still crush you

Ali

1999, War against taliban is happening in Afghanistan and then-officer Ismail Qaani is supporting the shia northern alliance on the ground. The same group that later will evolve into the Fatemiyoun corps. The training for the war in Afghanistan is happening in Tajikstan because they’re all Iranians and a lot of them know it. That number is increased with every year passing since the soviet union colapsed which was the thing that caused some people to be as stupid as you in this arguement.
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Qaani and ahmad shah massoud in Tajikstan ’99.

That officer is now the commander of the entite Quds force, 20 years later. Don’t worry about our relations with our lands.

Emad Irani

The problems is: times of religious confession are over. Religious confession doesn’t make the decision or strategy at all. There were Shia confessions older than Safawids (those who are Ismailit).

Come back to 2020. If religion would play a major role then we wouldn’t see a Turkish (sunni) – Saudi (wahabi) – Israeli (jew) – Western (christianity) alliance today

farbat

ismail safavid didnt delude anyone he completed the issue that was at hand because iran was never really sunni to begin with it was merely acting religious sunni but iran was sufi for most of the time until it became shia and i talk about the population here also the nonsense you talk about is only a talking point of sunni fanatics its like they can decide what iran wants to be its absurd they are still delusional on the idea that iran has to be sunni because they say so XD

farbat

i really dont need to mention how much the hatred between iranians and sunnis became that iran became largely ismaili at one point

Jens Holm

We all already know. One like me would say it started, when arabs erased Assyrians and Babylonians in Iraq even they defended themself hard.

Next arabs also took Persia/Iran by several hard battles. None would blame that hatred, but its stupidity not stopping it being about 1400 years or something.

Jens Holm

Thats whatthey learn i school today, dear æittle boy of mine.

We see the ssame for other collapsed Empires, where USSR is a very good example.

People doint see Neolonioalisme west og Berlin was Neocolonialisme. They dont see the many countries the USSR(and the Tzars) too.

They dont see Poalnd has been moved west. They dont see Ukraine has been moved west. They dont see Belarus has been moved west.

They dont know how big Poland was after WW1 and Belarus and a corner of Ukraine was a part of Poland as well as the demonstrations in Belarus use the Polish flag, because they are more counsins to Poland then Russia.

Yesterday it was about Pakistan and India. I wont defend Brittish Coloniali
sme, but a very good reasons for Britts could make their big impire named “India” was that big area was many states and by that fighted each other.

By that Britts only had to defeat some parts of India having many local helpers. Later it went wrong and bad fro the Britts, but they took is bite by bite and also from fx Portugal and Denmark too.

Jens Holm

That makes no sense. The Ottomans was very big, declned for good reasons.

The basement Ottomans has a structure, which in a very dirty nationalistic creation cant include others. Ottomans were cosmopoltes but could nor reform themself and also drowned in corruption – Just as The Byzantines did.

farbat

as i always mention the turks are suicidal tools and why would the west need gulen if they have erdogan the crazy daesh funding maniac XD

farbat

of course everybody in this list will just lay back and die so that turkey can take what us supposedly theirs so please turkey explain how you who failed in syria will take on so many nations among them actual civilization states which you are not this is so self destructive delusional and its simply absurdly funny because the turks are based on the delusion that everybody is a turk but i would like them to define to me what turk means because its certainly no ethnic group XD

Luna

Still holds an important part of syria , swept an important part of syrian border from Kurdish seperatist , and slaughtered a considerable amount of hezbullah rats during this process .

And if I were you I wud not speak about what iranian means , considering that 45% of the circus called Iran is non persian .

Jens Holm

There are no Kursh seperatists. Theit åprogram, which You are forbidden to read, dont say so.

They speak for local parlaments for local people paying parts of their tax for local matters. Thats very normal where I live, because the locals know whats needed and when they are the payers, they decide better what to do.

It also reduce possible corruption very much, bacuse half of the tax never reach the center and evaporate into gready pockets.

Yuo are very biased too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicities_in_Iran

farbat

if turkey wanted ever to be destroyed it would annoy russia iran and china at once but isnt that exactly what turkey is up to these days so the lesson about the turks is that they are to stupid to survive XD

Luna

Only an iranian peasant would classify iran together with Russia and China. LMFAO. Iran is an underdeveloped shithole which can only exist in failed states. So dont take yourself so seriously , historcially you are good dancers and storty tellers, but not soldiers. Thats the reason yr intelligentsia and top commander gets slaughtered weekly while you can not do anything about while you try to make us believe that iran is really a country but not a circus.

farbat

iranian peasant?

Luna

Yes you are .. An undereducated, brainwashed peasant who thinks that Iran is in the same league with China and Russia. May be North korea , minus nuclear power. LMFAO

farbat

you must have some problems hahaha

farbat

why are you such a sour loser?

farbat

hahahaha you are so delusional hahaha great run towards your end you fools you the jews the american fools all together run hahahaha XD

Luna

Dont be triggerred iranian peasant . You dont need to write 3-4 replies for a single commen, calm down . Do you deny that iran is a backwards shithole where people are hanged on streets and people consuming alcohol are whipped ?

farbat

i did just have a good laugh about the misconception of the miserable and ruinous XD

Luna

Do you want me to post the photos of people hanged on mobile crane sin streets of Baghdad ,peasant ? Why you are lying ?

farbat

talk about triggered XD

farbat

a peasant works land that is owned by a landlord

Jens Holm

The local tribe is the Landlord in most parts of Iran. Thats why they often are close to starvation by no reforms making a lot more food.

farbat

i own 9 hectars of land

Luna

Sure. peasant , Of course you do .

farbat

not even my workers are peasants they are probably more rich than you joker if you put all your value on the table XD

Luna

You little charlatan . Why you iranians are such liars ?

farbat

iam living in mazandaran sari to be precise and we iranians own alot of land in iran anyway that isnt abnormal the land is owned for generations man you are clueless

Luna

Who cares , why you iranian peasants try to explain where you live and talk about yr bloodline although noone asks you to do so ?

Who cares where mazandaran sari is and who gives a damn. Go on try to justify yrself with further BS.

farbat

hahaha of course please explain to me how poor we are and how superior you people are

Luna

LMFAO , an iranian peasant tries to convince me on line how rich he is. Immature charlatan.

farbat

man you are so absurd why do you call someone peasant and dont accept it when he tells you that he is middle class in iran and that middle class in iran is rich compared to you people in the indebted west

farbat

do you have like premestruation problems and if so do you think about iran everytime you feel a bad feeling XD

Luna

Thisis yr iran , underdeveloped hellhole. Do you deny it ?comment image

farbat

do you want to be one of these ?

Luna

Usual hollow threats from an iranian peasant , yes I want to be one of these what you are gonna do with it ?

This is yr backwards , shithole country . Do you want additrional photos , peasant ?

farbat

hahahahahahaa great iam immature right XD

farbat

you poor thing

Luna

Poor brainswashed iranian peasant .

Luna

Why dont you ask it to iranians running to TR from Iran , you peasant ?

farbat

1 qm of land costed 10 dollars at the time i bought it so of course the west doesnt want people to own stuff because they are greedy parasites but they can forget to own our stuff which is why iranians wont give up because everything that the west tries to take is owned by the people

Luna

LMFAO , you are losing it peasant. Are you trying to prove someone on net how rich you are ? How Middle Eastern , how pathetic..

farbat

you brought up the peasant issue and claim that we iranians are so poor how absurd XD

farbat

you are really clueless if you would see alone my villa than you would think iam rich but this is iranian middle class

Luna

Little peasant trying to convince others how rich he is .. Immature little charlatan. Did you miss the question ? Why iranians are running from Iran to Tr ?

farbat

please continue you are spreading wisdom like nobody else can XD

Luna

And pls keep doing what you are doing here , you give me the oppurtunity to show here what Iran actually is . A backwards and fanatical nation living in poverty and hallucinations.

Jens Holm

They also has world record in people killed by cars in their streets.

farbat

hahahaha peasant XD

farbat

you are so clueless

Jens Holm

They also has longhaired goats, cats and carpets.

Ivanus59

Putin will gladly donate half of Russia to their Turkish partners, all in good faith and for friendship.

Emad Irani

This Pan Turkish dream will destroy Turkey itself like it did with Saddam and his Pan Arabism policy

farbat

you hit the nail on the head badly because its exactly the same

Jens Holm

We will see. They do spread out too much. I can mention Hitler or Colonials before him.

Its much easier to take or relate then keep.

farbat

do you think there is so much of a difference between erdogan and and hitler

Jens Holm

Oh yes. I never liked Erdogan as well but it was about the similarities in expansion.

Hitler fx also could have taken much less and maybee kept Nazis there for his 1000 years.

I even has worked hard to see how Hitler could have won WW2. The big mistake was already in his Mein Kampf book naming all Slaves as enemies.

Instead he could have written Poles are bad in the middle of Germany and Russians are the old big enemies. Taken fast the Ukraine could have be a completly new country giving Germany a lot of coal, iron, nikel and very needed food – and as friends.

Ukrainians hated the Bolshevics long time before Nazisme was invented.

Hitler should have taken Ukraine and parts of Moscow fast and only have had defenced itself against the Leningrad front. The campaign by Hitler by that would be an economic one, where they didnt need sipply as fast as they did – and collapsed.

In that is that the Industrial zone should be regained fast too instead of expanding fx Ruhr. Its shorter distances to the fightings in east and very impoortant the railway system would transport borh ways less instead of oneway.

Turkey in the same way probatly cant make enough for warfare as well as increase production. Its important that EU are not positive helpers but are more in minus.

Tuekey by ther way sold the Nazis nikel to the days the communists took Odessa.

farbat

i get it turkey is underdeveloped and stupid while nazi was developed and dangerously smart but turkeys erdogan is as corrupt as germanys hitler and ich spreche perfektes deutsch also brauchst du mir nichts über die geschichte von diesem deutschen pack zu erzählen kleiner danske mann and erdogan=self destructive dictator

Hind Abyad

Germany was the most civilized !

http://www.germanica.org/

Jens Holm

You get nothing.

I compared with military and economic too fast expansion as for Hitler often is a no keep.

I also never wote Turkey was and are underdevelloped. You need glasses or maybee more then some oxygene.

Turkey by Erdogan makes more and more minusses against its own populations. Those are very visible in Laws even given as Erdogan.

The list for that is well known for Turks as well as the whole world. I mention re- election when others such as moderate Kurds with 7 million votes instead if seats got a very maipulated re-election. Even they then got 5 million votrd, those PMs was hailed and many town majors was replaced.

The same for Istanbull. When Ilderim was not re-.elected, there has to be a new elections. Thats normal in a normal constitution.

Outside Turkey Errgona has named do many for as bad things as possible. We are mad, we are nazis. Fx Danes are blamed for not controlling the media.

Well Media here are debate and control if we have good or bad governess. Parlamentarisme is “parle” which says almost everything has to be debated, because the final results by that is better. That the vital for rule and taken direct from old Athen.

Comparing with Hitler economics makes no sense. I never wrote that.

Emad Irani

This is an insult to Hitler. Hitler was not a puppet like Erdogan. You see how fast they went for Israel? Because all Turkish Israeli conflict was/ is just a show nothing more. Turkey cannot breathe without US and Israel. The Russian tried to force them out of NATO and Western alliance but failed badly. But in relation to military, yes you are right

JIMI JAMES

Hitler was concieved from incest,no further explanation needed,other than
satans muppet to the core,up its!

Emad Irani

well, I don’t care about anyone’s evolution, but I was talking about their military and policy strategy

Jens Holm

And You was his father, sister, mother or what?

farbat

emad i speak german and have quite the understanding of what went on during the last centuries there and generally speaking swiss money did control all of europe so hitler was a total puppet of guess who the fascists industrialists that is why its fascism

Jens Holm

When I look up, I see a lottle red dot. Thats not Mars but a tomato.

Hind Abyad

Yourself??

Jens Holm

Haha. Or a Star in Orion belt pretending its Mars far away. Nicer then some graveyard in wintertime.

Hind Abyad

Russian Revisionist Jabotinsky declares War on Germany.
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Hind Abyad

That’s how the parasite voted himself up sometimes 9 ‘Guest’ Ugly Zio.
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farbat

erdogan is a puppet of guess who the fascist industrialists so its fascism aswell

farbat

hitler used terrorists forces on the eastern front which worked as irregular armed forces like we know well from ukraine because they are still around there and erdogan uses the same with al qaeda colors

Jens Holm

Erdogan is no puppet. He has been the best they have for years and as a contrast to many other Leaders are elected by around 50%.

I will say he now is in a desperate partly decining, but they have nothing batter for now – apart from changing their politics.

Your version of what Turkey can and cannot is far out. Its normal procedure for many countries to defend themself in aliances and Turkey here has been and for that matter is an important help against old USSR.

Thats not puppi but common sense.

It also makes common sense that the Bolsjevics collapsed themself and by that are less enemies before and are not able to take and control Turkey or parts of it.

By that Turks allow themself to be more themself.

You make Your own crap about Israel and USA because You also has learned no manners. Its very strange a very small dot like Israel can make a whole country like Yours into a traumecanter.

A pity for You, there are no Nobel price in bad excuses and execusions for nothing.

Emad Irani

a traumacenter? More like they have trauma because the times of winning against 6 arab countries in just 6 days are over for Israel. They knew it after 33 days war and Syrian regime change fail.

Beside that, Turkey know that US can has influence over their military and intelligence. US has not any friends remember that, only puppets or business partners nothing more. Saddam also had the same idea while he attacked Iran but US threw him away like they did with kurds and FSA in Syria, and they will do it again with another country.

If you mean some Turan countries, most of them are nearly failed states, like I said only a Turan alliance on paper. Most ppl in the 20th and 21th century who dream about having an empire over half of the world will fail

Condor

Mate, you need to post less and eat more Omega 3 rich foods for your lack of brains. Best to stay shut.

Mark M. Nobelman

You have no idea? The alliance is much bigger then just this 5 countries but in truth it expands into 30 countries with Nuclear weapons and with all sorts of state of the art technology. Nearly 1.5 Billion

farbat

you jews created the pan turkic manifesto so you obviously believe that its working but it doesnt you are losers still

farbat

you really give us 0 reason to not see you wiped out and really you are worse than the turks in being more ruinous

Mark M. Nobelman

Wipe us out? We are a Civilization not just a country. It is not as easy as you imagine and nearly impossible

farbat

you are no civilization you jews are a creation you were created over 40 years in the desert with the idea to use you as a tool

farbat

you must be delusional to think you can climb up to our level you are way beneath civilization states which is why you are so desperate you foolish project

Luna

That must be the reason you were ruled by the Turks for centurries , lost almost every war against them . Poor iranian brainwashed peasant.

farbat

turks get ruled by us for millenia so let them have a few centuries of it so we could atleast civilize them somewhat and teach them farsi and high culture XD

Luna

Is that the history they teach you over there ? Comes with no surprise though . You are nation of story tellers and dancers. Thats the reason you are invaded by almost everyone . LMFAO

farbat

we did take on the biggest power on the planet for more millenias than you would know or even believe and now they are the globalists you heard so much about and we become the global superpower only rivaled by china and you are pathetic because you are just tools who get used by everyone

Luna

So did North Korea, as well as some African disctatorships of the past.

But thanks for the joke , the following sentence proves everything I told about you iranian people:

”we become the global superpower only rivaled by china”

Dude , you are a joke . Now do you understand why I call you a brainwashed backwards peasant ? You are not a global power , you are a joke. You are not playing in the same league with US , Russia or China , you are a backwards state ran by criminal Mullahs. LMFAO

We need more of you here to show what kind of brainwashed charlatans you are .

Emad Irani

“being a dictator is better than being gay” – Lukashenko
Beside that we don’t aim for leagues. Is North Korea aiming? No, only deterrence is needed

Hind Abyad

Zionist Deep State Troll

Luna

Brainless twat that can not differ history from cheap conspiracy theories. Another clown living in anglo saxon lands while trying to lecture others about evil evil west.

Hind Abyad

Each time you read ”conspiracy theories”.. MSM or (blogs).. you can be sure it’s brain dead Zionist.

Luna

Each time I see someone who thinks that every thing that goes bad in his life is because of the Zionist , you can be sure that its a fucking moron who blames others for his shortcomings. Go read yr bullshit blogs written by uninformed charlatans like you but dont expect me to buy what you are trying to sell with yr limited intellectual capacity.

Hind Abyad

@Agatur:disqus

Notice? The two Guest are One Same Zio stalker.

Luna

Everyone putting you to where you belong here may not be necessarly the same person , paranoid twat.

Next time instead of enjoying the ride , just turn yr head to see who is screwing you .

Hind Abyad

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Luna

Here another one bites the dust. Are you leaving ? So early ?

How does it feels to immigrate to quebec , canada ( a staunch supporter of israel ) and bark from there vtrying to convince us how nice iranian regyme is ? Ignoble charlatans..

Hind Abyad

Go back to Kindergarten Lulu.

Luna

Try replying instead , if you can , runaway bird.

Hind Abyad

Said the Lunatic

Luna

Says the triggered moron who lives in some western lands and spends all his time on net to defend the shithole he ran way from .

Jaime Galarza

You are very ignorant. Persia has existed before anything in the way of civilization existed in Turkey.

Hind Abyad

You mean Persia..

Luna

Persia gone long ago , now it is shithole ran by some fanatics while hypocrite clowns like you try to defend it from a western state where they have ran for having a better life. LMFAO:

Luna

So did Mayan , Aztec and Indian civilizations . . Things change , that does not mean that it always goes from good to better – Now look at Iran , it is a shithole .

And mr Ignoramus , the place you call Turkey today is the cradle of civilization . So go and read something from time to time.

Jaime Galarza

How you change your tune when somebody corrects you. I am right when I say that Persian is older than Turkey. It’s a FACT whether you like it or not. Speaking of ignoramuses, I will give you another fact, and no need to tahk me for that. Evidently you have no idea what a cradle civilizartion is. There are 6 and Turkey is NOT one of them. My country is one of them too, and I’m not Iranian by the way. Thus, you would do well in following your advice, but, before, civilize yourself.

Luna

Correcting me ? I dont think so please do not exaggerate yr intellectual capacity. I dont think I called you iranian either , pls correct me if I am wrong. I am also not interested with yr nationality – that does not change my views about you and yr arguments.

Turkey is a 97 years old country , Persia does not exist anymore. First of all learn not to mix apples with oranges Now that we have clarified these facts, we can further discuss why we dont have slanty eyes here. Because Turks in TR are a nation , not a race . We are everyone who lived in Anatolia till now, Now lets listen to your further confused stupitidies about those 6 craddles of civilization , go ahead , I am all ears..

Ps : You should watch yr tone while interfering in such an uncivil manner. May be your tone is the reason of my tune . Next time try to be carefull about it before I put you further to where you belong .

Jaime Galarza

Luna, the ignorant and stupid on top. Cradles of civilizations are” the regions where our very first cities were built, the expanses where harvesting of crops and
raising of livestock first took place, the areas where the firstinnovations in technology were made, and the places where language was developed and complex social orders came into being.” Turkey, like Greece and Rome, for example, came into the histroical scene later and as a result of other older civilizations. It’s funny when you demand civil manners, but vomit the following: “brainwashed peasant.” Where do I belong, inheritor of goat sheperds?

Luna

Jaime , you confused ignoramus . You dont know the history of the region , you can not differ Iran from persia , you dont know Turkey is Anatolia You have no idea who is who here . Anatolia is the place where first city of the world was built ( gobeklitepe – older than 12.000 years ) and where the wheat was first domesticated by the human in history . It is where first coin was used , where human kind invented writing. Does it it fit yr criteria now ? Next time dont jump into a conversation about the places you have no idea about , stick with yr Latin American geography so that someone will not make a clown out of you .

Jaime Galarza

“The term Iran derives directly from Middle Persian Ērān, first attested in a third-century inscription at Rustam Relief, with the term accompanying inscription using the term Aryān in reference to the Iranians.” Now, if you refer to Persian being of a specific ethnicity and Iranian a nationality, this still does not disqualify the fact that the nation inhabiting that area was one of the cradels of civilization.Gobekli Tepe while very old indeed, its purposes are not clear yet although many believe it was a religipus center. However, “to date no traces of domesticated plants or animals have been found.” Thus, no qualification to be a cradle of civilization. Sorry,

Luna

Seems that you are interested in copy pasting .. Here are some for you ,

Neolithic in Turkey: The Cradle of Civilization
https://www.amazon.com.tr/Neolithic-Turkey-Cradle-Civilization-Plates/dp/9756899417

Anatolia: Cradle of Civilizations
https://hsp.arizona.edu/course/spring-2014/anatolia-cradle-civilizations

https://www.gaia.com/article/ancient-anatolia-cradle-civilization
However, there is one particular region that’s widely accepted as the original — and perhaps the sole — cradle of civilization: Anatolia, which is located in modern day Turkey.

Turkey: Cradle of Civilisation(s)
https://blogs.fcdo.gov.uk/leighturner/2014/07/14/turkey-cradle-of-civilisations/

Einkorn wheat was one of the first plants to be domesticated and cultivated. The earliest clear evidence of the domestication of einkorn dates from 10,600 to 9,900 years before present (8650 BCE to 7950 BCE) from Çayönü and Cafer Höyük, two Early Pre-Pottery Neolithic B archaeological sites in southern Turkey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einkorn_wheat#:~:text=Einkorn%20wheat%20was%20one%20of,archaeological%20sites%20in%20southern%20Turkey.

Just a few sources out of many. You made a mistake and you are still trying to cover up what you have said with weak arguments The only reason you interfered was yr sympathy for a regyme ( iranian ) which seemed to be an enemy of yr own enemy (US). But the enemy of yr enemy is not always be yr friend , it can also be a shithole ran by some religious fanatics. Just let it go , and do not interfere into geographies before getting sufficient info about the places.

Jaime Galarza

All right, I agree. However, I don’t copy and paste. If I did that, I wouldn’t use quotation marks. In addition, do you realize, everybody cannot know everything? From that perspective, I have to quote historians’ and archeologists’ ideas on a specific subject. True. I find the US and its allies extremely distasteful, including Erdogan. Let’s go our own ways.

farbat

your masters want you wiped out and we iranians are unsure what to do with you as a whole but the leadership would like to collapse your project instead of wiping you

Mark M. Nobelman

Who the fuc you talking to and what are you talking about? You addressed me as a JEW? are posting to just post? I am Muslim

Phoron

“Mark M. Nobelman • 7 hours ago

Who the fuc you talking to and what are you talking about? You addressed me as a JEW? are posting to just post? I am Muslim””

Hey fellow muslims, what are we gonna do about this Safavid threat”- Merchant_behind_the_Mohammed mask.gif

Emad Irani

alliance on paper. Turkey and AZ couldn’t even fight against Armenia without using some jihadi terrorists from FSA. Hole region has a different religion, different culture, different system. No chance

Mark M. Nobelman

Armenia was defeated in 6 weeks quick work

Emad Irani

not a surprise to take the own land against a country without any impact power. But also with help of a lot of FSA jihadi terrorists

Mark M. Nobelman

That propaganda is irrelevant here in our talk. Azeribaijan has alot of active army it doesn’t need extra foot soldiers it doesn’t make logical sense. Only if they were short of manpower but Azeribaijan has good population numbers they don’t need manpower supply they are already in surplus

Emad Irani

they are evidences that jihadist are there. US had also manpower but failed in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Manpower and technology are just parameters, the decision maker and strategist are the most important

Mark M. Nobelman

Do you know what a World war means? Fighting a limited war and full out war against someone is different. It is just propaganda in truth

Emad Irani

who talked about world war dude? I said Vietnam and Afghanistan. I can also give an example of Saddam who was supported by West and East at the same but failed to conquer an Iranian province. Strategy and decision maker are the keys. Wait for Russian actions in Armenia in 2021

Mark M. Nobelman

It was only Saddam with old tech population wise the Iranians outnumbered his forces 1 to 10 but still most of the war happened inside Iranian territories which means it was an invasion from Iraq into Iran not the other way around

farbat

saying that it was only saddam is laughable it was saddam the soviet union and nato its a rare example of soviet and nato close cooperation afterall and all the firepower chemical weapons and other things didnt stop iran a moment and here we are owning iraq soon

Barba_Papa

No small thanks to the Americans who did what Iran failed to do during that war, overthrow Saddam’s rule and install a Shia government in Iraq. And the weird thing is they did exactly what Iran had always wanted to do and at no point in time did it ever factor into American thinking that what they were planning to do might benefit Iran instead of them.

For a government that loves to meddle in the Middle East Americans are really utterly clueless as to how it works.

farbat

they knew exactly what they were doing they just didnt think iran would exist at this point

farbat

nobody did believe that iran can survive what the americans did because all other nations would crumble only after one year

farbat

even the russians were drawing maps on how a destroyed and balkanized iran would have been looked like at the time i can remember well this zhirinowsky jew who was a buddy of saddam showing off this map in russian tv

farbat

god knows how many of the terrorists our border guards alone cut down it must be 1000s they engaged over the years

Condor

The endless wars have exhausted and bankrupted the US and expanded Iranian influence and China’s rapid rise. We need to get out of the region and let Israel fend for itself.

farbat

do you think a simurgh can be beaten of course judah the kitty cat thinks that its strong enough to beat most entities on the planet but kitty we both know you cant beat us

Barba_Papa

Actually the Iranians never outnumbered Saddam’s army during the war as their revolution had thrown their logistics into chaos. On paper they could easily field an army 10x that of Saddam. In practice they were hardpressed to field an army barely the size of the Iraqi army. Which was better equipped as Iraq was allowed to purchase the best that was available to it on the free market while Iran suffered from an arms embargo. Concentrating their forces and using better motivated troops allowed the Iranians to score victories against an inept Iraqi army where its generals feared the wrath of Saddam more then their Iraqi foes. And the war started on Iranian soil. moved to Iraqi soil, especially in the South where the Iranians tried their best to take Basra, and eventually moved back into Iran when the Iraqi army used overwhelming superior firepower to drive back the exhausted Iranians.

farbat

mostly they outnumbered us in battles with arms and soldiers its a historical fact but dont expect fools to care

Condor

Iranian ground forces in 1980 were reduced to less than 60,000 men and Iraq invaded with a million man military with best eastern and western equipment oil money can buy. Iran initially checked the invasion with volunteers and costly human wave tactics.

Hind Abyad

US – Saudi Arabia- Kuweit – paid Saddam to invade Iran (poor little innocent Israel welfare state demanded)..

‘As the victors of World War I, France and Britain dismantled the Ottoman
Empire and the Arab nation for their own colonial purposes. The Iraq
Petroleum Company was created in 1920 with 95% of the shares going to Britain, France, and the U.S. In order to weaken Arab nationalism, Britain blocked Iraqi access to the Persian Gulf by severing the territorial entity,
“Kuwait” from the rest of Iraq in 1921 and 1922.”

Rumsfeld went in person give Saddam poison gas he used on Iranians.
See Powell fake testimony ”Travelling gas chambers” ha ha…..!comment image comment imagecomment image

Condor

Now they want a US and Iran conflict as well as US and China mutually destructive war. Even poor malnourished India is being pushed into a suicidal war with China. Israel and the Zionist lobby is an albatross around the US neck and a threat to humanity.

Hind Abyad

This is reality, also sacrifice young Americans, Us bankruptcy was always in their plan.

raymond daubney

Oh so true, jewry are the number one enemy of humanity.

raymond daubney

OH what luck for the jews that most people are ignorant gullible idiots.

Hind Abyad

People are no sub human psychopaths..it’s a cul de sac

Condor

However a isolated Iran defeated Iraq and today is the kingmaker there. So in real terms Iran came out a winner, albeit at a great sacrificial cost. Iraq has unlimited Soviet and western weapons and support, much like Azerbaijan did.

Hind Abyad

Must be a Muslim ‘dude’ working for Mossad ?

farbat

world war means that ignorant greedy parasitical project states fight eachother because they are unsustainable and doing so they wreck the planet

Condor

Largely due to Russian passivity and Armenian incompetence. Armenia with three million isolated people and a treacherous government could not have held out against Azerbaijan, Turkey, Israel and Pakistan who enjoyed full NATO backing. Russia wisely did not to repeat its Afghan experience of the 80’s.

Rhodium 10

AZ losses in 6 weeks ( 3000 dead) beside another 200 FSA terrorist (and
not all provinces were retaken)…fighting vs NK Lumberjacks who didnt have air support…and now they together with Turks want to fight vs Russia to conquer Russian lands?…sorry I didnt know that the alliance Turkey& Azerbajan is more powerful than US&NATO and can scare Russia&China!…

Hind Abyad

Mark M. (must be for Muslim) Nobleman must be for ‘Jew’.

Condor

Russia is Turkey’s prime target with NATO blessings and the map gives a good glimpse into the future destabilization of the Caucasus.

Ali

Lol.

Furkan Sahin

you know Erdogan is mafia

T.E.D.S

You know who is worse than erdoğan? iranian regime.

Furkan Sahin

all is better than Erdogan

farbat

i dont believe that erdogan is the problem its the society of turkey who doesnt care

farbat

turkey is ignorant towards all of its own problems it just needs to wave a flag and blind itself with the red color of peoples blood wasted its the reality about the issue

Furkan Sahin

If Turkish parties do not protest against Erdogan’s minimum wage then he would have made 2600-2700 TL rounds
and there are elections in 2023 of course Erdogan has to give a little more pay rise to people to want to vote

T.E.D.S

I know, minimum wage is not good for a good functioning economy, it increases inflation but minimum wage should be way more than 2825 tl in Turkey. Erdogan doesn’t care about the quality of life, he will probably give out some money to his supporters once the elections near to try to get some more votes.

Furkan Sahin

Erdogan does not care about people
he thinks only of himself
Erdogan will never give a high pay rise when he continues there is evidence we have seen now
we have seen what he has given to his own people from 2015 to 2020
if it was Ekrem Imamoglu or Mansur Yavas today would have been over 3500 TL

T.E.D.S

Erdoğan only seems to care about his people when elections near, i think he will make some wise decisions when elections come. Also CHP Municipalities raised the minium wage to 3100 Tl for everyone that works in companies affiliated with municipalities. Ekrem imamoğlu can win the next elections if the economy worsens.

farbat

nobody can win and solve the issue you sound absurd you dont want to see societal short comings

farbat

you cant run a country on a foreign conception how delusional of you to believe that democracy is a possibility for you with no tradition of such a thing XD

farbat

forget the elections they wont solve a thing you already have elites above erdogan in turkey who wont give up their place because america and the jews promised them to much

farbat

the fanatics might blow up stuff in 2021 so better be prepared for that rather than thinking about delusions of democracy

farbat

you see we still are the only ones who are after having you not wiped out from the map you allowed terrorists to infest your cities like fools you are truely globalist tools and you say our government is bad when its the force trying to rescue you all from your own foolishness

farbat

you know why the iranian”regime” is working fine for us despite iranians generally being unruly as is in their nature its because its meritocratic and if we are annoyed about somebody because he is corrupt of working bad than that somebody might end up in prison or hanging even if its seen as treason and iran is generally easy to judge on these issues turkey meanwhile is unresponsible and non responsive to problems

farbat

if iran was as badly govererned as turkey iran would have not survived the iraq war but thank to god we have a system of velayateh faqih the ultimate meritocratic system which is why iran cant be beaten in a real sense but all that can be done is merely annoy it

HB_Norica

IMO what’s happening is the end of 500 years of Euro/colonial rule is in sight and the Turks, Russians, Chinese and Indians are now maneuvering to control the center of the board …. Central Asia and the middle east.

The Russians currently have a military advantage backed up by huge reserves of resources, the Chinese are working on control through economic power, the Turks are playing the kinship card and the Indians unfortunately are left hind tit so they will likely choose between backing the Russians or backing the USA.

Colonial European powers at first competed between each other for power with the British finally winning out then after WW2 they handed the baton to the USA. They USA is now teetering with no new white skinned western power to hand off to.

The cost of ruling an empire with naval force has bankrupted every every nation that’s tried. It looks like the USA is headed down that same road. Once the USA pulls back the fight for central Asia begins in ernest.

Kohlhaas

I am Turkish and I have never ever heard such a media outlet called “Haber TV” I also made a google search and couldn’t find there either…..
Is this article a hoax or what?

Servet Köseoğlu

Typical south-front ..periodically publishing neo-ottoman,great turan bs..xD

Kohlhaas

It seems that SF concerned about Turan more than we do lol

Jens Holm

They giv information. Knowing the big picture in dreams as well as realisme is important for both friends and enemies.

Im mainly not SF fanatic but I like to know diffrent sides of many things. Here they get + + from me.

Kohlhaas

I have no problem with “giving information”. That’s not my point.

Jens Holm

Fine. It would be nice if You explained. Thats was these sites can be used for.

I started here because I was blamed by Danish Rightwings as well as Danish living muslims, that I knew nothing.

They mainly was very incorrect even I made mistakes here and there. That can be changed if You take in and learn.

I know more because I read and write a lot. Yesterday I was commented as if I had nothing else to do and therefore write a lot.

But facts are I know much more then and by that can write most things in “John Wayne style”. I also pr routine look facts up much better because I have a smaller education grade in statistics, factfinding and game-theory.

Kohlhaas

My point is that there is no such a channel, none, “Haber TV” does not exist at all. If one can show me such a channel I will accept I am wrong, you know… maybe really there exists such a channel. But if I am right, it means that this “article” is bs., lie, fabricated.
Yes some people would share this kind of maps in social media and wish for Turan, but do you know who? Some edgy teens and some braindead morons.

Furkan Sahin

Erdogan is mafia
Asgari Ucret 2825 TL

Kohlhaas

Açıkçası pek de umurumda değil asgari ücret. Asgari ücret alıp ona oy veren tonla insan var onlar düşünsün.

Luna

Turkce bilmez o Turk degil cunku. ısmine bakma zibidinin.

Kohlhaas

Neyin nesi peki İran trolü falan mı?

Servet Köseoğlu

rus trolü götoğlanı ben türküm diyor iki kelime konuş desen konuşamaz …..patlatmışlar bir türkün hesaBINI ORADAN AKILLARI SIRA İMAJ VERİYORLAR BEN TÜRKÜM AMA RUSYAYI DESTEKLİYORUM ÖBÜRÜ ÇIKAR BEN İSVİÇRELİYİM AMA RUSYAYI DESTEKLİYORUM…BLOKLADIM BEN O GAVATI SİZDE YAPIN…

Kohlhaas

Tamamdır, sağol. Yorumu da sildim.

Kohlhaas

Ctrl+f: haber

Jens Holm

I mainly use google As written I have known Haber as I wrote for many years.

Because its Turkish its not reliable, but its there.

Hind Abyad

The Internet is controlled by Israel US

Jens Holm

And You use it. Before that You only had camels, letters and minaretes.

You can block those US and Israelians by bombing Your computers and mobile phones too.

Hind Abyad

I’m not from Arabian Bedouins desert raiders who lived in tents, but a Christian from the Levant.

You animals are kissing Bedouin feet with no History but gas stations.. to recognized Israel.. tfffh

Luna

Do you think your religious beliefs will change what you actualy are ?
Same shit different smell . LMFAO

Hind Abyad

I am Christian’ doesn’t mean i go to church every Sunday.. you subhuman RAT child killers.

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Luna

I am no jew , but this does not mean that I have to close my eyes to a fucktard who openly supports a backwards 16th century regyme just because he does not like Jews.

If you loved them you should immigrate to Iran , why you fleed to a Israel supporting western country ? We both know the reply , because you are another loudmouth Middle Eastern hypocrite.

Jens Holm

I just tell You use a lot of invension mainly made by west and for good reasons dont hesitate.

Here You forget the density for many things in west – like here – also make that dependensy for us, and we also are worried as users too and try to make a btter level for it.

There hardly are any beduins in Syria anymore. They are settled by Ottomans and also Assads. Only beduins corn is used.

Kurds and arabs in the dry land are not beduins. They have land and grow it in januar, februar, march and take the grain from there mainly foir bread. Then everything is dry and they walk or drive far to find anything to eat for their sheep and goat.

Thats not even semi-beduinisme. In semibeduinisme they live in a summer and a winter housing and mainly grow almost nothing.
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Your versions for who is who is not correct. It makes no sense to compare the poorest farmers also beeing almost not educated with the Israel and its high tech parts.

Its also very visible in their plans by PYD. They wish to devellop the very ineffective farming structures, so for northern Syria and here with many Kurds its about being safe with enough dayli food.

How that can be related to Israel is impossible to see unless its propaganda. Well, there is one thing. Israel is known for retaking land from their desert parts making at least something to grow and less sandstorms.

Wel Mr Levant. Its also well known Levants dont know whats in the Eastern part of Syria.

The main emmigrant groups to the artificial land named Syria also is not even Kurds. It Shammars from Saudia Arabia and lives along Eufrat and Khabour -. as well as Tigris in Iraq. Thats why ISIS could have succes there as not unfriendly center as well as some realy also today are ISISes.
I have no

Hind Abyad

I’m no ”Mister Levant”..don’t know what you’re talking about, except your support for ISIS.

”How that can be related to Israel is impossible to see unless its propaganda.”

Very related to Israel..since WW1;-)

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Hind Abyad

There’s no ‘artificial land called Syria” the Levant is in ancient land of Canaan. Aramean lived in Sham (Damascus in Greek) 10,000 years ago, before Judaism was invented.

Bedouins live in the Desert.

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Luna

No it is controlled by martians . Paranoid charlatan.

Hind Abyad

Lunatic beggars thieves and criminal gangsters..
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Luna

Boo boo !! Jews are coming jews are coming.. Run to Quebec and hide there.

When you middle eastern fleebirds will start talking about yr own shortcomings and mistakes ? Why you sneaky peasants sold yr lands to Jews at the first place ?

Jens Holm

I feeel fine about it. It makes a wider perspective. Turkey has to trade with new ones, because the old ones are negative to them.

It show Erdos are deperate too spreading out in old dreams. Its very relevant.

Ishyrion Av

If you sincerely believe this, the only reason you are here all over the day is you being paid. Troll!

Servet Köseoğlu

paid troll???…no darling…all over the day???again failed… 20-25 minutes maximum… hah! shithead…What you gonna do, cry some more?
You talk about trolls? Haha faggy, YOU are a troll, a lame,PATHETİC, shitty retarded troll….

Now cry more.. ı am going to block you now because you are utterly imbecile…ha!….hahaha… all lols and rofls…pathetic imbecile…bye bye..xD

Jens Holm

Maybee he is some paid Anarchist being paid for not writing here…Andf then they stopped:)

Jens Holm
Kohlhaas

Can you read Jens? It’s “Haber Türk” not “Haber TV”.
There are many channels in here with name “x” haber. Because of this I thought that they are mistaken about the name, but they wrote “Haber TV” repeatedly soo… there should be a channel named “Haber TV” which I don’t know?

Jens Holm

In my context its the short popular version.

I also say China and not the the ……of China

Mabee You see Haber like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWHGW2cbpdY

Kohlhaas

I watch Haber Türk time to time. They are not such a channel to publish this kind of image. I am 100% sure you can’t find this image on their site. Want to bet?

farbat

generally speaking it doesnt matter

Hind Abyad

Turkey was given Antioch, 2000 old Christian Patriarchate by the Zionists after Armenian-Assyrian Genocide, does it make sense for Christian hater country?

Luna

That how you comment when you lack history . Who took it , who gave it to whom and where are the zonists in this picture.

Hind Abyad

Please..hhh,, in 1915 Jabotinsky was editor of Jewish ”Young Turk” that promoted Armenian-Assyrian Genocide.
comment image comment image https://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

Jens Holm

It started long time before 1915 when Youngturks was not even born. Well that mainly was the Asyrians.

Hind Abyad

My post is about WW1, 1915, Editor of Youngturks in Turkeycomment image

Luna

Please ,shhhh , lets do not use a russian jew to support yr bed time stories while yr shia brothers lick jewish russian asses to exist in Syria .

If I were you , I would go and see what is going in that shithole called iran instead of posting pieces of 100 years old revisionist history here and about some backstabbers who tried for their own state but failed miserably.

farbat

russia wants turkish lands and they dont need to create an excuse because turkey delivers almost daily

Mark M. Nobelman

lmao. trolling gon’ wrong you are not even Russian

Luna

Putin whispered that in yr ears ? LMFAO

Jens Holm

I just write there is a HaberTV and has given a link for it abo the ironic Hama sut

Hind Abyad

Bad video…

Jens Holm

one is fact and the other is funny.

JIMI JAMES

Deep fake,deep state,they are losing the war against the peoples economies and whom voted legit for leaders whom are supoposed to repesent their peoples not overseas corps!

Ishyrion Av

Maybe you try this address: https://www.haberturk.com/canliyayin
Comes first.

Kohlhaas

Omg… how many people have dyslexia in this site…

Jens Holm

Many authist hardly can move their own behind, because things has to be the same.

Al Gathafi Did Nothing Wrong™

Search for TRT Haber. First result on Google

occupybacon

Spot on. Post a 2 min vid on Youtube, with a drawing like this and a music in the background, no animations, no effects – and have fun reading the comments. I was doing it as hobby few years ago. It was taking 2-3 hours and the comments are rolling for years.

Kohlhaas

I guess that’s exactly what happened in this post.
Look at these people making analysis over a shitty image lol

occupybacon

IMO it’s 120% what happened.

Kohlhaas

Those people have no difference than who swallow the zio media bs everyday. Only difference is that they receive it from a different party.
Fanaticism, that’s the problem actually. They can’t believe that this site can lie them as well. Look at those people sending me different channel sites…they searched and they couldn’t find that media outlet either, yet they are trying to denounce me or they say sf made a typo. Yeah I am sure they did…

occupybacon

Yeah when you point their weakness they explode in furious counteraarguments, many contradictory to eachother, and this is entertaining.

Jens Holm

Thats not news . Since Turkey would not integrate with EU they for devellopment has to have new tradepartners.

All of them reject and says Turks are no real Turkmen as well as they will never have Turkey in front.

The EU declining was many years ago. Things can have changed, so a try again only can have more succes then iniative number one.

JIMI JAMES

The now/deepstate has their media,but really this will be a showdown between the peoples uniteds
against those pathedic corporations owned by the banksters along with their medias and fakke billionaires whom are in reality nothing more relevant than do’minions to say the very least.
Don’t take their bait,they are losing on all fron’t and would love nothing more than created ww3!

Jens Holm

You create Your own deep dark state Yourself. All is crap as well as vey much of Your “DEEP” is deep because Younot even look up, whats on internet.

Many other things are no secret at all. Fx the danish budget for strange reasons are written in Danish and in public for free in Our libraries. Before that its debated by the Goverment as well as the parlament and well as the lobbyist – In TV and Radio.

We do have things here in Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Turkish or vietnamese – but thats often about healht care is free, hosopitals are free, vomen can go free in the strets and old and young men dont decide at all, what women should do. Its equal rights for educations and You normally educate and work better for a higher pay. Ur´t nirmal to have female Leaders above You deciding for Yopu as well as the alos can be lower or equal.

Mark M. Nobelman

The thread is filled with some Iranian betas who this topic doesn’t even concern

farbat

turkey does concern iran and russia

farbat

the future owners of this house will not be excluded from the issue

Mark M. Nobelman

Which house? You are mentally ill individual spamming this area for no reasons