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Turkish Forces Suffer Casualties During Advance In Northeast Syria

Turkish forces are seen in a convoy on a main highway between Damascus and Aleppo on August 29, 2018. (AFP)

On October 11 afternoon, the Turkish military and the National Syrian Army (NSA) resumed their advance around the border town of Tell Abyad in the northern Raqqa countryside.

Turkish forces managed to capture the villages of Muhambal and Halawa southeast of Tell Abyad, tightening its positions around the key town.

A few hours earlier, Turkish forces advanced west of Ras al-Ayn in northern al-Hasakah, capturing the border town of Tell Halaf and the nearby village of Asfar Najar as well as the silos.

In the course of this advance, two soldiers and a military engineer of the Turkish Armed Forces were killed by the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). Kurdish forces operating south of Afrin in northern Aleppo killed two other Turkish service members.

These five service members became the first Turkish casualties in Operation Peace Spring, which was launched in northeast Syria two days ago.

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  • Jacob Wohl

    YPJ/YPG have repelled every single Turkish Attempt to enter Giri Spi or Serekanyie! 150+ TFSA fighters neutralized by SDF. Kurds putting up a massively tough fight!

    • Sasan Jamshidi

      Indeed they are brave, just impose No Fly Zone and see how Turks and their terrorists will be screwed, Turks are Nothing without Nato & US & Israel Help!

      • Semen Sh!tstain

        lol great thinking! One NATO country 11,000 km away from Syria will impose a NO-FLY ZONE on another sovereign nation’s airspace, and shoot down ANOTHER NATO COUNTRY’S AIRPLANES just to protect some disposable kurdish lap dogs. Turkey has an excuse to exercise military operations to protect their borders, US has no excuse to be in Syria let alone prevent Turkey from cleaning out the separatist yellow terrorists. Regardless all areas will be under the Syrian Government’s control in the end. Idlib OP is next. Tigers are hungry :)

        • xTheWarrior22

          I wanna see NE Latakia liberated. I can’t wait for the offensive :( The sooner, the better.

        • Johan

          Syria is in no way Turkish sovereign airspace, nor is Cyprus so yes they can implement a no fly zone .International law is obvious not there for dictator Erdogan, only for the rest of the world.I would have no problem closing all borders with Turkey also diplomatic borders and throw them out Nato; better a good enemy as as traitorous friend as Turkey. I would love it that we Europe would stop investing and making loans to the begger Turkey, this would stop +60% of their money capacity and we could stop importing things for Turkey so you lost 57% of all export. Look then there might be a problem with the migrants you created by supporting Islamic State and facilitating the civil war in Syria, not to mention the jihadists you collected around you president iman clown.

          • Semen Sh!tstain

            cry

        • Sasan Jamshidi

          Maybe, and thats because Turkey is in one hand with US & Israel so plz stop the bullshits calling others so. just know that terrorists are you Turks that abuse every land and claim your right and chop dead corpses head as you did since seljuks and ottomons and modern, your wild race van not be tamed or moderned you are father of all terrorists of mankind your petty 1000 year history in these lands tells us, your kind only should be cleaned on earth or be quarentined so humanity can have peace and humanity

          • Concrete Mike

            We are not turks you can take the blinders off.

            We are pro syrian here.
            Russia is using turkey to pressure the kurds to the negotiating table, if the kurds are too damn stupid to understand that, they will die.

            They(kurds) are beholden to the saudis now, i remember when Al Jubeir visited , with his purse with all the strings attached. The same saudis that funded and supported ISIS.

            negotiate with the legitimate syrian gov in damascus is the only choice for the kurds, and its been the only choice for a.long time, wake the fuck up!

        • dutchnational

          In fact, they did. From 1991 till 2003 a no fly zone over most of what now is the KRG.

          • Semen Sh!tstain

            if they could’ve they would’ve :)
            sorry dutch boy

      • EveryoneIsBiased

        I am truly sorry, but this hope is delusional.
        USA wont do this to the 2. biggest NATO Army Turkey.
        Turkey is geographically, military much too important to the US. US strategic value of the kurdish forces is much lower. Sadly.
        Sorry to say that, but hanging on to such delusional hopes is what made this mess for the kurds possible. Being realistic and pragmatists is the only way.

        • Sasan Jamshidi

          Sadly your right, this world is for deamons and evils ..

        • Johan

          The US is already swapping Turkey for Greece, and if there is one country that has sufficient covering of the enterence f the black sea it is….. yes Greece. So the US is building closse to the enterence a military base as it is on Cyprus. Turkey is no more as a n empty gasbag sitting on a not so vad location, but only surviving thanks to the financial lifeline of Europe: hugh thirdworld country spending, investments and buying Turkish productions, al three we can skip.

    • Semen Sh!tstain

      Sorry to break it to you Rocket Nose, but only the tfsa/turkish proxies are involved so far. TAF and their tanks haven’t entered Syria yet. proxies doing the initial work, then TAF will enter later

      • PZIVJ

        TAF likes to stay as far away from a battle as possible.
        Their probably still in camp cooking up some kabobs. :)

      • Zionism = EVIL

        Some elements of Turk armor and commandos have entered Syria, but the plan was always to set up a quisling puppet headchopper government. The Turks themselves have been surprised by the total lack of any real resistance. The YPG terrorist women in braids won’t be posing for cameras anytime soon :)

      • dutchnational

        As Turkey acknowledges five of its soldiers killed, even Turkey does not agree with you.

        • Semen Sh!tstain

          until now TAF hasn’t used the bulk of their regular ground troops. Small platoons and commando squads have taken part in clashes alongside TFSA/SNA who are leading the battle still. Turkey still has 80,000+ TAF regular troops and 200 tanks stationed on the border

    • Mustafa Mehmet

      b..s

    • EveryoneIsBiased

      The first time i have to agree with you.
      Jihadi mercs cannon fodder of Erdogan are laughable.

    • AleK

      “150+ TFSA fighters neutralized by SDF.” lol. Let’s say 6 million…. In reality – kurdish ‘resistance’ so far is pathetic (just like your trolling).

      • Zionism = EVIL

        I predicted that the Kurd turds are pimps and cowards and will never fight. They hide being women who pose for western cameras. That is the full extent of the Kurdish martial “capability”. Even the Americunts knew that and did not lift a finger to save the Kurd backstabbers. Turkish military has overwhelming air and ground advantage not to mention a coalition of headchopper terrorist proxies they are using to gain control of captured territory and set up a puppet administration. The Turks have been emboldened by the Kurds cowardice and will move further south and their casualty cost of almost nothing. More people die on Turkish roads in a day than in this whole 3 day one sided invasion.

        • Joseph Scott

          Actually, that’s the exact opposite of what all the American military personnel who have worked with them have said. On the contrary, they consider them the only good fighters in Syria. And the military wants to stay and help them. It’s the political level that is hanging them out to dry, because they aren’t obedient enough pawns in the State Department’s games.

          • Concrete Mike

            Meh, we all know SAA did the bulk of the fighting against isis, so whatever is said about the kurds fighting ability, must have a big asterisk next to it that say, SAA FAUGHT THE BULK OF ISIS WHILE THE KURDS SORTA FIGHTED THEM ON THE BACK SIDE.

            American servicemen have become wall street goons, they are still humans , but they are propagandized to another level, their testomony’s are suspect.

            And the politicians are not stabbing the kurds in the back. You know why? BECAUSE ITS SYRIAN LAND NOT KURDISTAN!!!

            Trump is the boss wether you like it or not, and he wants to go, so american servicemen, shut the fuck up and listen to your president!

            The majority of people in america do not want you in syria, only the media wants you there.

            Listen to your president and gtfo of syria, trump was elected preaident not CNN, not lindsay graham and not adam schiff!

            Once USA leaves syria, it will take a few days and the kurds will reconcile with SAA. 5TH column people like you advocate to stay in syria. Who benefits from that???

          • Joseph Scott

            Without Russian air support, SSO FACs and FOs, whole Russian artillery regiments providing fire support, Russian-manned BTRs, Wagner Group, Chechens, etc. not to mention Iranian Quds Force and Hezbollah, SAA would have gotten nowhere.

            And no, SAA are overall inferior to SDF, most especially because the SDF operated in a more decentralised manner that gives in a OODA Loop advantage that the still very top-down Syrians can’t come close to.

            The American military have been used as Wall Street goons since before WWI, as General Smedley Butler could tell you, but generally unknowingly, and they still persist in having there own opinions. Yes, those opinions are coloured heavily by US government disinformation, as they have been for the whole last century, however, for all the government’s effort in this direction, they have not gotten mind control down to the level where they can just flip a switch and say “We’ve always been at war with East Asia” and have everyone forget what they were just doing. These people are speaking from their own recent personal experience operating with the SDF. Also, if you knew anything about the SDC and Democratic Confederalism, you;d know that they practice probably the most genuinely democratic form of government around on the planet right now, so between that and their more effective fighting caused by their decentralised command structure, the cohesion of operating in self-chosen groups, and believing in what they are doing, it’ s no wonder that US personnel speak highly of them because those are all things they are taught to value, even if they are almost non-existent in their own government.

            Hah! You think US presidents actually run anything? Trump is reading the script, no more. We live in a one party oligarchy that uses a red puppet on one hand and a blue puppet on the other to convince the steeple that they live in a ‘democracy’ or ‘republic’ (they can never make up their mind)>

            Wait, you think Lindsey Graham actually meant what he said in public?! That’s hilarious. I guess you don’t knowe anything about politicians either. Or maybe you missed the prank call where a Russian impersonated the Turkish defence minster, and Graham offered his full support for Turkey’s attack on the SDF.

            A few days to reconcile with SAA? Is that why Syria’s foreign minister just said they won;t make any deals with them or negotiate with them?

            I’m afraid you have no idea what is going on here, on any level.

        • Rafik Chauhan

          yes there is common thing between Zionist and kurds . they keep the women on thier side to fight . when time will come to run men will run faster then women and save thier ass and left thier women behind to serve thier enemy as slave

  • Johan

    Do not support the lap dog of Erdogan , Trump Boycott Turkey: all products barcodes who start with 868 or 869 DO NOT BUY THEM. While your governement is doing nothing do not helpErdogan and Trump commit the next invasion and Turkish genocide on the only real protectors of the world against Islamic State.

    • Derek Johnson

      You forgot to mention Russia in all of this, The US AND RUSSIA vetoed a statement by five European members of the United Nations Security Council condemning Turkey’s invasion of northernSyria.
      Not just that Lavrov says it legal;
      https://tass.com/politics/1075936

      Lavrov calls Turkey’s interest in ensuring security in northeast Syria absolutely legal

      • Johan

        Thank you for the information I thought this was likely to happen, non of them are reliable I certainly will take this up in the next reactions.

  • Icarus Tanović

    Already five casualties!?

    • EveryoneIsBiased

      And that are ONLY turkish soldiers. Not their Jihadi mercs inclueded!
      In Afrin, dozens of Jihadi mercs died for EVERY turkish soldiers death.
      Thats the reason Ankara does not even count and publish their dead Jihadi mercs.
      There must be dozens if not hundreds of them dead already.

      • wwinsti

        Iranian news sources are claiming 260+ constants dead, which I haven’t seen confirmed anywhere. SANA news says the Turks have already breeched the city North of Raqqa. It’s probably going to be over by the time any real counting is done.

        • Zionism = EVIL

          Now that all the hyperbole and excitement has died down (no pun intended), let’s check REALITY, the Kurd turds as I mentioned earlier are hopeless faggot pimps and not fighters. The Turks easily rolled them over as the cowards ran faster than Usain Bolt. The Turks have complete air and ground superiority and are using merely 7 armor, mechanized and special forces brigades for a front that is almost 500 kms axis east-west and 5–60 kms deep north-south. They are also using about 10,000 terrorist proxies to control captured territory. In the big picture the Turkish invasion force is very small, considering they have 500,000 men under arms. The Kurd pimps have not put any fight and the Turks have lost about 6 soldiers dead, 10 wounded and 3 civilians including a baby killed by Kurd cowards random rocketing. The Turks have killed almost 338 YPG and PKK terrorists, and 35 civilians at a minimal loss. This is more of a police action than war, as the Kurd faggots refuse to fight like men.

          By contrast Hezbollah killed 133 Zionist scum in a very short time in an area 20 times smaller than the Turkish ever expanding area of operations. Based on experience I had always known that the Kurds are complete arsehole cowards. I am no fan of the megalomaniac moron Erdogan, but the Turkish military despite a decade of purges has performed very well at a combined arms operational level, even though they have faced almost zero resistance. The Kurds are good at licking Americunt and Zionist arse and pimping, selling dope and kebabs in Holland and Germany, and nothing else.

          • Joseph Scott

            Total SF dead have come to 29. You should be aware by now that the Turkish always multiply Kurdish losses by 5-10
            .
            Also, the narcotics and prostitution rings in Germany are Albanian, not Kurdish.

    • Joseph Scott

      They lost an IFV in an ambush yesterday with 23 killed, though most of the dead were SNA cannon-fodder riding on the top.

      • Zionism = EVIL

        By all available evidence and objective analysis the Kurds have simply fled and not put up any resistance as even more Kurd turd media is reporting and this is no surprise for grown ups.

        Turkish Army reaches outskirts of key border city in Hasakah province and is expanding the invasion targets as they meet little or no resistance. Most armed Kurdish factions have withdrawn from the front lines and melted away with civilian population.

        • Joseph Scott

          Are you kidding me? The deepest Turkish advance has reached 7km depth so far. That’s less than 4km/day. For mechanised troops such as 20th Mech. Brigade, that implies that either a.) they are facing serious resistance, or b.) they are scared of their own shadows and don’t understand how to conduct mobile warfare.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            Please post a video of even a single destroyed Turkish vehicle? Wishful thinking does not win wars. The Turks have performed very well and will achieve all objectives. The Kurds are nothing but posers and a discarded tool of Zionists and Americunt masters who used them and tossed them. Kurd sprinter cowards should franchise condoms now and already are known as pimps..

          • PZIVJ

            Zionism=Evil;
            Fuck the NSA, so now you are a Jihadist supporter?

          • Zionism = EVIL

            No I state FACTS, how uncomfortable they are. The Kurd stupid arseholes should have never tried to break up Syria and should have long joined the SAA. I have always known that the Kurd turds will not fight and they won’t. The Kurds are still hosting Zionist scum in Arbil.

          • Joseph Scott

            Ignorant propaganda. SDC didn’t try to break up Syria. All they have been asking Assad for is a secular constitution and secular laws, which, if Assad had sense, he’d want anyway.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            Not true at all. The Kurd arseholes are opportunists and bad ones at that. They worked with the headchoppers and Americunt masters in attacking Iranian and SAA forces from Hakasah. They mistakenly thought that like Iraq in the Arabil region, their Zionist masters will help them carve out Syria and establish a “Kurdish state”, the morons got rolled by Turkeys, pure and simple. The Kurds are fucked every which way and much worse is yet to come. The Americunts are building forces in Saudi Arabia for a regional war, this has a long way to play out.

          • PZIVJ

            You are the Americunt, if I read your posts correctly. :D

          • Zionism = EVIL

            I am stating facts that will not change. The Kurd arseholes have a saying that they have no friends but the mountains, and you wonder why? Look, the reality is that the Kurds tried to take over a large chunk of Syria taking advantage of the terrorist campaign against Assad. He could have played his cards better too and worked out some sort of a loose confederation, but the Zionists and Americunts wanted a Balkanized Syria and the Kurd arseholes are the patsies, now the idiots have to live with it. Turkey will achieve all its objectives and Syria will have a South Lebanon style Saad Haddad state, unfortunately there is no Hezbollah in Syria which can turf out the Turkeys. For the foreseeable future Syria is no longer a cohesive state and the Turkeys will succeed in installing a quisling government in 30% of Syrian land.

          • PZIVJ

            Sorry,
            I got a phone call, no time to read your reply.
            Catch you later.

          • Joseph Scott

            The SDC have been trying to negotiate with Assad from 2014, and that has been well-covered right here in Southfront. They have stated they would accept Syrian sovereignty over Rojava, of Assad would create a purely secular constitution guaranteeing basic rights to all citizens regardless of gender, ethnicity or religion, and a completely secular legal system.

            That’s why the American are abandoning them. because they have been negotiating with Syria, and because they have refused to simply be more FSA type proxies. You’ve got the whole thing totally backwards. If they were the subversive terrorists you accuse them of being, we’d back them to the hilt and send more American troops.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            In the new global stakes, Turkey a NATO member, G-10 state and far larger and influential country is more important for US, Russia and Europe. Let’s keep perspective, since you are a smart informed guy, the Kurds are just convenient tool and used by all. They got carried away and will now pay the price. They will never have a ‘homeland’. The region is a vipers den and alliances change like the shifting sands.

          • Joseph Scott

            Most of what you’ve said there is true, except that I don’t think they got carried away. They were offered bad deals by everybody offering one and took the one that looked least bad. And that turned out to be a trap, but taking any of the other bad options wouldn’t have done them any better.

          • Icarus Tanović

            He is americnut, that putting other people down.

          • Joseph Scott

            You haven’t followed any of the negotiations between SDC and Syria, clearly. Also, the SDF only got into fights with the “SAA” because at this point, and since things fell apart, the SAA isn’t a regular army, it is a collection of militias, and some of those militias local to the Rojava area are fans of the kind of backwards Islamic laws the SDF despise, leading to clashes with SDF troops.

          • Joseph Scott

            Come again? Where have the TAF performed well? Their advance in the Afrin region was sloppy, and resulted in nearly 700 dead on the pro-Turkish side, and well over 2,000 total casualties, not to mention a scandalous amount of AFV losses. The SDF were getting a 5 to 1 casualty rate against TAF+FSA there.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            On which planet is all this happening? From the real reports I get, total Turkish losses are even a dozen yet, while 9 people did die in road accidents across Turkey in one day.

          • Joseph Scott

            When the TAF seized Afrin in 2016-2017, they suffered 71 TAF dead, and 617 FSA dead, and the usual proportion of wounded, and lost numerous Leopards. It was farcical, considering the numbers and equipment involved.

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            Having Turkish nightmare again. gd gd

          • Joseph Scott

            I think Turkey is having the Turkish nightmare here. Atatürk would certainly say so. He’d have shot Erdogan as soon as look upon him, for trying to undermine all that he did to modernise the country and create a stable republic.

      • Icarus Tanović

        SNA-Wahhabi scum that needs to be rid of.

  • Davki

    The report is almost accurate. One important point, however, is that the PKK has long renounced its aim of a seperate Kurdish state. It asks for more autonomy, rather than a state. The same goes for Syria. The power struggle in Northern and North-Eastern Syria is also far less along ethnic lines, as it may seem. Alliances shift all the time – with Kurds supporting the YPG etc. and also opposing it. The same is true of Arabic populations, both more urban and tribal – as well as the often forgotten Assyrians or Syrians which also have varied allegiances. If anything, Erdogan’s is a costly political move that only strengthens Kurdish resolve to take up again an armed struggle within Turkey. Looking forward, Erdogan’s transparent jingoistic interventionism will likely cost him domestically, as people don’t want their soldiers to die in Syria and because the economic cost will likely be very high. The latter point is of special importance since Erdogan’s supposed economic successes made him popular in the first place.

  • MeMad Max

    I always said the end of the obama admin also meant the end of the kurds….

    … they are nothing more that a pet obama project. A communist helping out fellow communists…

  • Real Anti-Racist Action

    On April 27, 2016, a Kurdish suicide bomber blew herself up in the northwestern city of Bursa getting thirteen civilians.
    Kurd’s are responsible for over 100 suicide bombings since the 1980’s alone. They also blew up a crowd of thousands at a football game in Turkey a few years back.
    Kurd’s are the original isis.
    http://www.jcfk.org/images/newsroom/171031i24.jpg

    • Johan

      If you terrorise, choke and oppress people enough they might sacrifice them self for the good of others and that they take some of the oppressors with the is understandable, it balance things out.

      • Saso Mange

        Sure, it’s often said when Kurds are concerned – about how the oppressed have the right for armed struggle – but now apply that on Palestinians too. Double standards are crushing this world piece by piece until nothing is left anymore.

        • Zionism = EVIL

          Kurds have not ever supported any Arab or Pan Islamic cause, including the plight of the Palestinians. There is not even a Palestinian representation in the Kurdish occupied parts of Iraq, however hundreds of Mossad arsewipes and IDF bedwetters are posted there for regional destabilization. I have ZERO sympathy for the Kurd turds.

          • Saso Mange

            After they waved Israeli flags in Kirkuk i also lost sympathy for them.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            The Kurd arseholes are doing more than just flying Zionist toilet paper flags, they are actively killing Arabs and letting Zionists attack Iranian and Shia militias with drones from Hakasah.

        • Johan

          Piont except Palestinians could live in peace if they only recognised Israel, the Israel would have had a hard time to not reconcile a give territory back. But your remark is not completly wrong, it also does not counter the statement I made.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            How do you “recognize” child killers who steak your lands?

          • Helen4Yemen

            The people of the Congo did not recognize the Belgians.
            The people of Algeria did not recognize the French.
            The people of Kenya did not recognize the British.
            Please tell me how the Ashkenazi in Palestine is
            different from other European colonial invaders.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            Let’s not forget Vietnam’s occupation by both the French arseholes and Americunts and defeats of both. Kashmir is another festering sore and occupied by Indian streetshitters with Zionist help. These kids have selective memory.

          • Saso Mange

            I am happy when i am right, thanks for proving my point.

          • Saso Mange

            Take this example, Israel was made based on right for self determination, right of return and so on, as essential points behind its ‘legitimacy’. The same rights they deny to Palestinians. Hamas has long time ago accepted some terms, so did PA longer time ago but it did not stop Israel to even go as far as officially reveal plans to annex the rest of Palestinian territory.
            BTW i did not counter your statement i just proved how it’s based on double standards – as you’d like self determination for Israelis you also like it for Kurds but you deny it to Palestinians. Selective humanity so to say.
            The same right is

      • Sasan Jamshidi

        Nicely said, they see that right for palestinians good but not for kurds lol! How fucked minded they are

        • Helen4Yemen

          Where do you get the nerve to compare the Palestinians with the
          Kurds? What foreign people came from Poland, Hungary, Ukraine and
          stole their land and expelled 90% of their people? The Kurds
          began agitating as soon as Iraq gained independence in 1932 and
          how many foreign agitators were there to encourage them to
          revolt. If any group who spoke a different language from the
          rest wanted a state of their own, Africa can easily have 1000
          nations because that is how many tribal groups there are. The
          Kurds are a dangerous group for all the Arabs because of how
          eager they are to sell out the Arabs as long some enemy
          like the Jews promises them solidarity.

          • Zionism = EVIL

            Actually, the Kurd turds are worse than Zionist scum as they have been collaborating with the Khazars in undermining Arab states and pipe-dreams of craving out a neo-Zionist Kurdistan. The only good thing the idiot Saddam did was to gas the arseholes. The Kurds are treacherous cowards and will back stab anyone who feeds them.

          • Johan

            It happens to be that the Kurds where there already and a bunch of ,everything, invaded and occupied their country and oppressed them, and now those nitwits* what to dilute their culture. * look at the last scientific studies revealed in the better Turkish newspapers last week : geneticaly there are no Turks only mixes of everything els.

          • Helen4Yemen

            You are better off sticking to what you know or else you look ignorant making statements that are not true. Who came from where and when and occupied Turkish territory? There is in fact Turkish DNA but no Kurdish DNA and all the Kurds who did their DNA test were very surprised and shocked that their DNA was Iranian.

            Middle Eastern

            Algeria – Armenia – Azerbaijan
            Bahrain – Cyprus – Egypt – Georgia
            Iran – Iraq – Jordan – Kuwait
            Lebanon – Libya – Morocco
            Saudi Arabia – Syria – Tunisia
            Turkey – UAE – Uzbekistan – Yemen

            European

            Ashkenazi – Austria – Balkan – Belarus
            Belgium – Czech Republic – Denmark
            Estonia – Finland – France – Germany
            Hungary – Iberian – Iceland – Ireland
            Italian – Latvia – Lithuania – Luxembourg
            Netherlands – Norway – Poland – Russia
            Sardinian – Slovakia – Slovenia – Sweden
            Switzerland – Ukraine – United Kingdom

            https://blog.23andme.com/ancestry/23andme-updates-ancestry-composition/

          • Johan

            Silly women, proof it you can not but I xan proof that there is no such thing as a Turk;
            DNA-based tests shake Turks’ beliefs in their “Turkishness”
            Popular DNA tests are troubling Turks and shaking belief in their “Turkishness” as they find that, instead of being direct descendants of the Seljuk and Ottoman hordes who surged into Anatolia from Central Asia a millennium ago, they are instead part of the kaleidoscope of peoples who have lived in what is now modern Turkey and migrated there since time began.

            Identity has been a major issue in Turkey since the republic was established in 1923 from the ashes of the multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-lingual Ottoman Empire as the new nationalist rulers attempted to stamp a single Turkish identity on the country. Until 2008, denigrating Turkishness was punishable by up to two years in prison. The law has now been changed to replace the word Turkishness with “the Turkish nation”.

            Issues such as what had happened to the survivors of the 1915 Armenian genocide and the presence of thousands of Greeks and Jews, but also millions of Kurdish citizens of the new republic were swept aside in often heavy-handed attempts to assimilate minorities or pressure them to leave the country altogether.

            Home DNA based testing kits are banned in Turkey, but many Turks abroad have used them, sending a small sample to a lab and receiving a report on their ethnic roots and sometimes matches with distant relatives around the world who have also taken the test.

            Gül Çelik, a designer, said she had taken the test 10 years ago, but the company she used had been continuously updated information on her genetic links as more people had taken the test. Çelik said the tests showed she had Mongolian, Italian, Jewish, Greek, and Armenian ancestors.

            She said her family, from the northeastern province of Bayburt, had refused to believe that they had had Armenian, Italian and Greek links. “I told them the test was scientific, but they did not even want to listen,” she said.

            But before the genocide, in which more than a million Armenians were killed or died of starvation in forced marches into the Syrian desert, there was a relatively large Armenian population around Bayburt, in what was then the Ottoman province of Erzurum.

            Historians say that as the mass killings and deportations gathered pace, many young Armenian women were taken by local Turks and Kurds, or handed over by their families in order to save their lives, and that they then changed their religion and hid their roots.

            “Before this test, we believed that Bayburt had only Turks. But people get married, they change religions voluntarily, or by force, they mix. Maybe my grandmother knew about it, but did not want to say because of social pressure,” Çelik said.

            The reaction of Çelik’s family is similar to many. A 2012 book by Fethiye Çetin, a lawyer, tells the story of how she discovered her grandmother’s hidden identity and sparked a big debate about the Islamisation of non-Muslims. Another book named “The Grandchildren”, which Çetin wrote with academic Ayşe Gül Altınay, provides a collection of intimate, harrowing testimonies by the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of what are known as the forgotten Armenians.

            But unlike her relatives, Çelik welcomed her DNA results. “In foreign countries I saw that Jews, Armenians and Assyrians who were born and raised in Turkey culturally are not much different from the Turks. In fact they are similar. Therefore I was happy with my DNA results as I am not a discriminative person,” she said.

            Çelik also got in touch with one of her distant Italian cousins thanks to the test.

            “He told the story of our Italian ancestors from the 1600s. According to him, some 100 people were brought to the Ottoman territories as slaves and so one of those 100 people was our ancestor,” she said.

            Çelik said her husband’s test results were equally surprising. “Test results showed that my husband is Jewish and from the Cohen lineage. He had never heard such a thing from his family before. He has no Jewish relatives. He was raised as a Muslim,” she said.

            The history of the Ottoman Empire and modern Turkey are reflected in the complex ancestry shared by present-day Turks. As the empire collapsed, there were huge flows of Muslim refugees from the Balkans and the Caucasus, then after the republic was founded in 1923, Greece and Turkey carried out a population exchange, swapping the around a million Orthodox Christians of Anatolia for hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Turks living in Greece.

            One woman working as a mathematics professor in the United States said her family was from Turkey’s Black Sea region. The woman, who declined to be named, said her DNA test turned up a distant cousin in Ecuador. “I later checked and learned his father was from Moscow. I knew that my father’s cousin had migrated to Moscow. There he got married to a Russian and with their children they later moved to Ecuador,” she said.

            The mathematician said the test said she was 20-percent Greek and 20-percent Armenian. “We are society of descendants of a large empire,” she said.

            A report in the journal Annals of Human Genetics in 2012 indicated the paternal ancestry of those living in Turkey was 38 percent European, 35 percent Middle Eastern, 18 percent South Asian and only 9 percent Central Asian. But DNA tests sometimes throw up even more surprising results.

            Aslı Muzde took the test in an attempt to learn whether she was genetically predisposed to getting cancer.

            “But about ethnicity, I learned that I was 73 percent Central Asian. But the other distributions surprised me. Because I learned I had Italian and Greek blood, but what struck me most was learning that I have between 1 to 2 percent Native American blood,” she said.

            Muzde’s family also reacted negatively to the test results, but her mother showed some interest after she learned the test followed the maternal line.

            “I became acquainted to my third-degree cousin,” Muzde said about the sudden discovery of a relative living in Germany. “My guess is when my great grandfather came from Greece, they came as three siblings, but lost one. This cousin is the grandchild of this lost sibling,” she said.

            “I became more interested about the problems of Native Americans,” Muzde said. “You see that you are only arm’s length away from all the races. The blood running in our veins is connected to each other, therefore there is no such thing as us and them.”
            NO TURKISH DNA

    • EveryoneIsBiased

      Comparing Kurds with ISIS just shows how blind you are, but you showed yourself as Jihadi sympatizer many times before, so no suprise here from you.
      The kurds have many faults, but being and supporting Jihadism and Islamism IS NOT ONE OF THOSE FAULTS.
      And what else could they have done other than to accept US support??
      They were about to be massacred by ISIS, faced GENOCIDE, when in the LAST MOMENT the US finally offered their help.
      Assad would have helped, but he could not, he neither had the man power, money or weapons to support them.
      What would have you done? I guess sucking Jihadi cock..

    • Sasan Jamshidi

      Rename your profile to “REAL RACIST” since your propaganda is obvious here and yourself know it too.

      • Zionism = EVIL

        Kurds are tools of Zionism, but the Jews have also sold them out for bigger french fries with onions.

  • russ

    What do the Saudi, Israeli, Turkish militarys have in common? None of them can field an army with their own troops. They have to hire mercenaries and proxies to be able to field an army.

    • Game Over

      That seems to be the way everyone is fighting wars nowadays. Easier to pay money than loose public opinion bc troops are dying.

    • Mustafa Mehmet

      They all do assad.. Russia.. Iran.. do to wake up and smell the coffee. clueless headless chicken

      • Zionism = EVIL

        True, it is vipers den and everyone is using proxies. The main problem was that the Kurd turds got carried away and no country will ever allow them to have a Zionist style “state”. I say FUCK THE KURDS!

    • dutchnational

      What crap. Where indeed turks and saudis do hardly fight themselves, Israel fights its own wars, unlike both Syria, Iran, Iraq.

  • Kell McBanned

    Looks like Turkey is doing the same thing they did in Afrin.
    A very slow initial advance using mainly jihadis over a wide front trying to determine weaknesses in the front.
    My guess is they willl try to ascertain a weakpoint and do a limited drive/incursion and seek to draw out the Kurdish reserves which will then be cauldroned and eliminated.
    Im expecting a limited crawling movement on a wide front for the first week or maybe more until the Kurds show their hand.

  • Hide Behind

    There are over 100,000 US Mercenary troop in Iraq and Afghanistan that we call Contract Security Forces, and they come from all over world.
    Not counted as US military as they are seperate and under US State Department.
    Columbia and El Salvador Sovereign Military troop are paid for by US, and if one looks at NATO Forces in ME the only not on US payroll Euro troop have been the French.
    As an odd twist in Trumpsn”Great Wisdom”, his words not mine, he went on TV to explain why he was sending thousands more of US Troop to Saudi Arabia, to strike fear in Iran, but then he capped hismspeach off with:
    “It ain’t gonna cost US a dime., Saudi Arabia is going to pay for all of it.”
    Now the deal maker has publicly come out and said US Military is for sale, he is wheeling and dealing with men and women’s lives, mercenary forces.
    Of course unseen wheel and deal is the sale of military armaments at even larger profits, of which he and our elected brag about.
    I will say one good point about Trump, He brings out in open that US military are no more than Mercenary Forces in pay of Foreign and Domestic Gas, Oil, mineral, and foreign financial interest, a point all his red hat flag wavers support.
    History shows.multiple times of mercenary forces by individual men and Nations to foreign interest.
    Patriotism and rallys of panoply of military power, that make heros of military uniforms worn by men and women that are but mercenaries.
    But whose troop are too damn stupid to see beyond a flag and worshipping publics, indoctrinated Pavlovian “Thank You For Your Service:” .
    Once quite hidden that made certain political figures and men of firms wealthy, and a $250,000 Life Insurance for deads spouces, moms and Dads.ags for our dead.
    Yes that’s right $ , but kept on QT.
    Now in open because they are not defending National Borders or peoples liberty and freedoms, quite the opposite in fact, and just paid killers fighting for paymasters from taxpayers funds, but it is the Corporate, political, financials who profit off their blood letting.
    Men who, no matter where in world, can earn a living as amterrorist or in fancy National Uniforms at direction of men in suits or flowing gowns and head dressings, the money available to be paid to kill others is better than starving yo death.
    And besides it can be fun and exciting to kill

  • antoun

    female “warriors” kurds cowards caroline fourest feminazi crying!! mdr! https://media0.giphy.com/media/AauJT0w8cJoSQ/giphy.gif

    • Joseph Scott

      Only in your pathetically insecure fantasies. Meanwhile, in the real world: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uvTbT_1570789676

      • antoun

        pathetic feminist agent nom for you

        • Joseph Scott

          Actual sentences would be nice. I have no idea what that gibberish is supposed to mean.

          • antoun

            swj for ever the yankee!! me syrian ok

          • Joseph Scott

            Well, fair enough, but I still have no idea what your previous sentence meant. Also, I think you meant ‘SJW’ rather than ‘SWJ’. Also, believing in equal rights, or having enough knowledge of history and psychology to know that women are perfectly effective soldiers does not make one an SJW.

          • Joseph Scott

            Fair enough, but I still have no idea what your previous sentence was supposed to mean. Also, I believe you meant ‘SLW’ not ‘SWJ’. And no, believing in equal rights, not sexist anarchisms, and knowing enough military history and psychology to know women make perfectly effective soldiers does not make one an SJW. The world isn’t black and white.