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Turkey’s Phony War And Partnership With ISIS – Report

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Turkey’s Phony War And Partnership With ISIS - Report

Turkish Leopard 2A4 Battle Tank captured by ISIS at al-Bab

VeteransToday reports:

Turks relocating 950 ISIS fighters to Raqqah while ISIS “in place” in al Bab will suddenly become “FSA” and a victory will be declared

…by  Gordon Duff and Nahed al Husaini

(Direct from sources “on the ground” at al Bab)

Deals being cut, as we speak, between Turkey and ISIS, demonstrate how Erdogan has been playing Syria and Russia, no surprise there.  950 fighters have been withdrawn, aided by the Turkish Army, and are being rearmed and resupplied to be redeployed in Raqqah, according to sources at the front, to fight against the Kurds, an ISIS army still on the Saudi payroll and still being aided by Turkey.

The fight at al Bab has been a farce, we are told, as some fighters with ISIS who have always been controlled by Erdogan will be renamed “FSA” and remain, while the primary military force withdraws.

For weeks now, one of NATO’s most powerful armies, with nearly 8000 pieces of armor and over 600,000 including reserves, has been beaten to a standstill, or so we are told, by fewer than 1000 ISIS fighters in the Syrian town of al Bab.

None of this is true, as common sense would tell anyone.

This military force, as large as the one Hitler unleashed on Russia in 1941, isn’t really fighting ISIS at all despite the deals they cut with Russia and Iran. Erdogan is still only concerned about fighting the Kurds.

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al-Nusra, Jaish al-Fatah, Sultan Murad, al-Zenki …

Brad Isherwood

Any reports of Syrian or Russian Attack Helicopters or military jets hitting the fleeing rats
Of AL Bab and the Forty CIA thieves?


“This military force, as large as the one Hitler unleashes on Russia in 1941” :DDDD
Give me a fricking break! This force was in the millions.

El Diablo

Journalist…they love to exaggerate


2.2 million or something like that Hitler had, but he is SORT of right. Soviets had like 2.7 million or more. So if Turkey has 600k and isis had 950 that is a worse ratio right? OR am i really bad at math.

El Diablo

Exactly what i thinked :D They have joined FSA


I have no problem with erdoggie fighting the kurds…

Both are backstabbers anyways… Let em wipe each other out…


I really prefer that mass murderer assad and isis terrorists decimate themselves


Mass murderer of terrorists? Because you mean the executions in the jails, right?


Back again then, with literally the same sentence you repeatedly post on this site.
No changes in your syntax then, eres muy perezoso y aburrido, Aurelius.


You STILL believe that shit?
I got a bridge to sell ya.


But are they really killing each other much in Syria? Have there been many direct clashes between them which have taken a significant toll?


Yea, but neither side can land a knockout punch.
Not because of numbers, but because of lots of other things.
Kurds don’t want to fight beyond their “hometown” so to speak.
FSA is worthless, and thats what erdoghan uses for “infantry”, causing his armor to be exposed. Also, neither side has air support(except where it’s benificial for the US), making it that much more difficult.


You think these areas are lost forever to Syrian government control?


Lost to syrian government control?
What are you, nuts?
They ARE syrian government lands. The SYRIAN government has invested significant infrastructure in the area: Oil, dams, roads, bridges etc… You think the syrian people shouldn’t have this shit because some asshole wants to build a pipeline going thru syria, oh and they are committing shia genocide in the process???

You need to educate yourself… ur embarrassing…


Lost because the Syrian forces have no control in large parts of Syria, and how is Syria going to remove the Turkish and U.S. bases already installed in Syria?


Slow and steady is the SAA way…


Yet, the Syrian government often just buses rebels to Idlib. It negotiates a surrender (of some of them) and then sends them there. So they are still kept in Syria, and some wonder if the Syrian government has given up on parts of Syria like that.


You know little of war(or the current situation in syria, stop following leftard propaganda):

Sun Tzu said ‘When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard”

What he means is: If you have someone surrounded with no option to escape but death, then they will fight to the death… This ends up drawing the war longer with more of your own losses.

Assad has demonstrated time and again that him and his generals have at least a rudimentary knowledge of warfare, even more than we know.

Did you know assad wasn’t even the first pick for the syrian presidency?
Nope… He was considered “too nice”, a day-dreamer… a brain with no brawns.
His older brother died, so bashar was named president…
His younger brother hafez is the hot-head. He was in charge of the north end of syria, the same area that is most in terrorists hands. He is also the one that had police kill protesters that bleeding hearts cry over so much.

Didn’t matter, all was a setup from the very beginning: There were foreign fighters in aleppo on day 2/3 of protests…. Plenty of vids out there…

Get off your ass and do some research for a change.

Good bye.


then who blew up 15 turkish tanks?

Chevalier Aka

You have a good point, I remember south front was mocking TAF and FSA when they were having failed attempts to take al bab. Now what happened that, makes sf think Turkey is in a collaboration with isis; and, if there were a collaboration between them, taf and fsa wouldn’t give that much casualties. It is a shame that these people say taf works with isis. At least have some respect for those who gave their lifes for cleaning that area from those terorists.


What happened to the Erdogan Family Business, transporting black market oil?

Chevalier Aka

i don’t think those were even real. if they were real, isis would use that against erdogan long ago as a tool for stopping euphrates shield. That means either isis is a fool that doesn’t know how to play his cards or that illegal oil trade story was a hoax. Another think that we should consider is the oil production capacity of northern syria, total production there, is less then a few thousands barrels, turkey wouln’t even consider such thing while it has steady supply of oil from northern iraq.


The black market for oil WAS real. A couple of thousand oil trucks have been destroyed by air? The refinery is in Turkey. You figure the numbers.

Chevalier Aka

thousands of oil trucs!!! where are you getting this numbers from?, turkey has many rafineries and none of them can process that much crude oil. It is like you are saying whole air and dust in syria is oil.


Deir Ezzor province is the prize. This is why ISUS has launched their greatest offensive here. Notice that they are lacking troops on other fronts. Has Erdogan made a deal with them at Al Bab? It does not matter.


Thanks, I wondered why the story disappeared, after the failed Turkish Coup.

I have just been reading three articles, from a link given to me, in reply to a previous comment. They are seriously interesting and well worth reading.

1. http://journal-neo.org/2016/04
2. http://journal-neo.org/2016/07
3. http://journal-neo.org/2017/02

Arthur Smith

Be more careful, copying links here, you only got months, the rest was cut and hidden in the original comment.


That’s called hardball negotiating between business partners…when you make alliances with extremist Islamist militants, you gotta be prepared for some rough and drawn out deal making with brinkmanship before concessions.


Not to hard to blow a tank with no one in it , and make a video ,

Daniel Weber

Frontline strength (initial)

3.8 million personnel[1][2]
3,350 tanks[3][1]
2,770 aircraft[3]
7,200 artillery pieces[1][3]
Frontline strength (initial)

2.6–2.9 million personnel[4][5][6]
11,000 tanks[7][8]
7,133–9,100 military aircraft[9][10][11]

Daniel Weber

Germany launched 3.8 million troops against Russia in 1941. I questioned South Front’s facts previously but this comparison they have regarding Turkey’s strength in Syria is laughable.


It is a Veterans Today article (they seem to lack good quality to say the least!)
Thanks for the numbers breakdown. Also:
Army group north- 29 divisions
Army group center- 50 divisions
Army group south- 42 divisions
Let’s not forget about the 700,000 horses used for transport, most German units where non motorized infantry divisions.


Funny how McCain went to visit his friends in Syria, Turkey and Saudi?


Thank you for the brilliant links and well worth sharing. I have just read the first one, and now moving onto the other two. It also reminds me of Seymour Hersh, ‘Red Line to the Rat Line’. Same crowd.

The Red Line and the Rat Line
Seymour M. Hersh on Obama, Erdoğan and the Syrian rebels… https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

‘…Bel Trading and Consulting is a Ukrainian company based in the Seychelles. It was one of the companies allegedly tied to Viktor Bout, but we know now that claim was a red herring – it is really tied to the US ratline used to provide weapons to terrorists and others.

John Mason

No problem, glad you appreciate the links. Thought that they are relevant because I always believed that there was more to the Middle East and Libya crisis than what was presented to the public. Those articles by Kamens goes a long way in explaining Russia’s actions and motives and one can understand why Putin is acting they way he does with Turkey, Ukraine and the US and is playing the game to eliminate this form of terrorism.
Thanks for your links.


For some reason the links have now turned blank. Which is interesting, but, thank you for pointing me to Kamen’s articles. Interesting reading.


Thanks. I also went into the Henry Kamen’s link, to find his work. What I love about the comments, is the fact you learn so much and discover journalists, that still work under the guidance of their professional charter.

I am more than happy to share his name and articles.

John Mason

I was impressed also and his articles filled in a lot of blank spots and questions that have elusive answers.
I have always wondered how the terrorists manage to get their weapons, not only small arms but tanks etc.


His articles are brilliant.

I have just found this one, which points you to a direction you never thought of. Would they really give Saakashvili a prominent position in NATO, take him out and then blame it on Russia. As the article states, it was Saakashvili that was going around bragging about ways to kickstart a thermo-nuclear war with Russia.

Ukrainian Neofascists Support Saakashvili in Attempted Rehabilitation

Are they actually going to try and set up Saakashvilit in a senior NATO position, then take him out and blame Russia for it?

‘…The disgraced Mikheil Saakashvili would make a fine head of NATO. With that organisation searching for a role for itself, but actually supporting the groups it claims to be fighting such as useful terrorists, focusing on combating “corrupt states” would get it out of a hole. To do that, and still give itself an excuse for war with Russia, it would have to have a leader whose only merit lies in being an anti-corruption crusader with a track record of opposing Russia on behalf of the USA…

…What an interesting headline it would be – “NATO Chief Murdered in Tbilisi”? Who but the Russians, his most implacable historic opponents, would be responsible? What better rallying cry to start the war the new US president says he wants to prevent? What better way for neofascist groups to further their goals through others, using the methods they understand?

Before he fell out with Poroshenko Saakashvili himself pleaded with the US to send Ukraine all the weapons it needed to “kickstart World War III” as he himself put it.


John Mason

Here is another article that goes in deep with a comparison of US/NATO ability to fight Russia. Titled:-

Assessing the Russian military as an instrument of power


NATO/US/West have no chance in successfully invading Russia.


That is an interesting article, but, it also leaves out the fact, that Russia do not necessarily have to move from their own territory (it covers 11 time zones), to reach their target. However, I liked how he broke down the 5 military zones in Russia.

‘Vodka-Powered’ Firepower: Russia’s Innovative Military Choppers Receive Top Marks in Syria (VIDEO)
An informative, entertaining report about Russia’s military helicopters… http://russia-insider.com/en/vodka-powered-firepower-russias-innovative-military-helicopters-receive-top-marks-syria-video

Kalibr NK : The Russian Cruise Missile – That Shocked the World… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7UjOXanJcs

NEW second unique footage of T-14 Armata Tank Firing UralVagonZavod 2016… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c-BZkoi274

John Mason

It pays to keep well informed and able to decipher relevant and accurate information from those that are deliberately misleading.
It all comes down to who is “top dog” and the US/NATO alliance is in desperation. The following link gives some background why the US and West demonizes Russia.


Thanks for those links.


Either way, 600k versus 950 is pathetic am i rite?

cock jesus

Turks r like prostitutes they sell themselves easily for small money

cock jesus

Russians must give weapons to KURDS.
Kurds fighters fuck cheap turks very well

cock jesus

Arab terrorist have threatened Turks again.

cock jesus

Arab Terrorist will explode Istanbul in the coming days,


It’s bullshit.

The Turks are fighting against Daesh from 3 months in Al-bab.
Why did the Turks wait 3 months for this move?

You were happy when every Turkish tank was hit by Daesh. Now you say Turks help Daesh / ISIS.

This news like southfront only contains hostility to Turkey.

Continue to be happy with the lies.

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