Turkey-led Forces and Kurdish YPG Move Closer to Confrontation over al-Bab

turkish territorial integrity has nothing to do with this war in Syria. If Erdogan want take the risk to declare an official war to Syria, then Turkey wil be the bad boy for the rest of the world.

National security?….you gotta be kidding me!
ISIS housed in Turkey…after arriving from all points on the globe.
They then are processed to staging where they go into Syria in weapons convoy or in named units under ISIS or whatever other Takfiri kook label they go by.
At least 30,000 if not more.

Turkey Forment Terror in the region. …Turkey rescue ISIS and Takfiri in Syria.
Turkey recieve stolen oil tanker truck from Syria and Iraq…for years.

Maybe your version of National security ….is called Crime** and Terror** organization …by others.

And by the way. ..the Turk tanks getting roasted by ATGM. …Maybe Hollywood CGI?
No….Turk soldiers perish in Syria …for Mad Sultan.

Perhaps Syria is a another failed Arab state because of Turkey’s support over the border for overthrow of Syria. Recently, W Aleppo was shelled with grad rockets supplied to miilitants in IDLEB province over the Turkish border. Where there 2000+ rockets supplied with new rocket truck launchers?

I have no doubt that Assad is a dictator. What choice does the Syrian govt. have? The country has been over-run by outside Jihadists and mercenaries financed and armed by other countries. (exe. ISUS) Most of the support has come across the long uncontrolled Turkish border. It is positive that Turkey is securing its borders. Maybe Erdogan can stop supplying money, weapons, and Jihadists to Idleb province in Syria. Are Saudi Arabia and others are in charge of Turkeys foreign policy??!! The tides are turning against the Jihadist.

The Kurds are supported by the west because they are a large force on the the ground which can help to stabalize Iraq/syria against Jihadist/Suni Jihadist terrorist. Even the Turkish govt. understands the risk of further terrorist attacks. The Ottoman and other empires ceased to exist after WW1 & WW2. There is no going back to old borders. I don’t think there are any plans against Turkey, perhaps Erdogan is being paranoid and jailing everybody who does not agree with him.

WRONG!!! … The “Separatist Kurdish Terrorist” organizations like YPG – PKK are supported by Western Intelligence Organizations so as to attempt to bring about the possibility of a Kurdish State in Northern Syria and Iraq which would then be a base and a slave state of the Imperialists to use as s base and a tool for domination in the region in dependent of the Incirlik Air base in Turkey and other NATO facilities. The ‘superficial slave state of Kurdistan would also be used as a corridor to ship inexpensive Kurdish oil from Mosul through a corridor all the way to a port in Eastern Mediterranean. The Kurds are NOT a large force nor are they a properly trained fighting machine of any degree of respectability but merely puppets and foot soldiers for the Imperialists. Hope you are better enlightened now as to what is really going on?

The establishment of the entire Middle East came as a result of an Imperialist ‘Western Conspiracy’. At the end of WW I as the Ottoman Empire was on the decline the Brits and the French took the lead in designing the superficial borders of Arab states after instigating the tribal Arab masses against the Ottoman Empire to have them attack from the East to make the Parasitical Imperialist task easier to come in from the West. An Educated Egyptian had told me a while back the era of the Ottoman occupation of Arab lands was a glorious era! His reasoning was for the first time in history the entire Arab World was at least united under one flag as opposed to the exploited door mat it has become in recent history. I highly doubt the corridor is for the benefit of Iranian Shia Forces but rather originally very naively thought by the ‘usual Imperialists’ to have a convenient ‘puppet Kurdish entity’ which would then be totally dependent for its survival on the creators. In return the Imperialists would buy their oil at rock bottom prices without having to pay Turkey transit fees and in addition this puppet state would be a trouble-free base of operations for the West and provide Israel further security by breaking into Arab resolve. Egypt was bought during Camp David and Iraq was for the most part destroyed and currently only stands as a colony of the US. Syria had to be the last target of the Zionists to be nullified! Turkey, the US and the West in general will not allow Iran to proceed to the E. Mediterranean. You are correct regarding Al bab, however please note the TAF has thus far committed only a couple of hundred Special Forces accompanied by FSA. If a fraction of the 50,000 contingency awaiting in Gaziantep were to get involved Al bab would surely be taken at the expense of some casualties. Disagree with you about the ‘illegality’ of the tAF move 100%. As the entire Syrian State was an illegitimate ‘Terror-sponsor and an International Pariah’ and hence the TAF is only exercising the country’s right under International Law to protect its own citizens. Syria after Libya is the latest failed state utterly incapable of maintaining law and order within its borders. The 4 m high wall along the Syrian border is apparently made of cement and provided with barbed wires. However it is nowhere near completion as this happens to be a very long border (about 900 Km).

WRONG again the TAF invasion of Northern Syria had nothing to do with NATO and everything to do with Turkey’s very own security interests.
NATO could not care less for the poorest Arab terror-sponsoring Arab State Syria led by a dictator the father of whom was also a dictator!
The failed state of Syria led by a dictator is in its entirety a “Terrorist Entity” which murdered half a million of its own citizens with more than 3 Million refugees being fed at the expense of Turkish taxpayers. That alone gives the Turkish Republic to do whatever is necessary so as to return the refugees where they belong.

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Not to interfere with your ‘fantasy World’ but the Turks are NOT ‘temporarily’ occupying anybody’s land at all. If that faulty logic were to be applied then every tribe on earth would have to relocate elsewhere … in other words more than 7.5 billion people would be playing ‘musical chairs’.
The Turkish tribes ‘predate Jesus Christ’ in one form or another. It is the kind of Hellenic Racism that led to EOKA and the attempted ethnic cleansing by Greek-Cypriot Fascists prior to 1974 which culminated in the partition of the island and TRUST me there is nothing ‘temporary’ about the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus at all. It is as permanent as the mother Earth!
Re: PS 1 … NO WORRIES about the Greeks whose population amount to LESS THAN half of the population of our beloved Istanbul. No offense but Greece currently is an economic lightweight and the most burdensome part of the EU. Human societies are composed of ‘cognitive tribal animals’ and hence the term the Greeks for all who were ‘non-Greeks’; Barbarian is an expression of unacceptable racism. BTW when the Greeks CANNOT even fight poverty and economic slavery to the REAL EU nations … how then will your penniless City-State fight forget about imagined Barbarians but even the mosquitoes? Will Greece burrow $ from Turkey or ask the Turkish Defense Industry to transfer some weapon systems to do the fighting?
You should be reminded of your ZERO contribution to the EU or the World at large as Greece is a minor league nation who is not allowed to play in the big boy’s club. Turkey on the other hand with its $1 Trillin+ GDP PPP constitutes the World’s 17th biggest economy.
Turkey currently is considered an “industrialized developed country” with Europe’s 5th biggest auto manufacturing base and the World’s 5th largest Shipbuilding Output all on its own assembling F-16 Fighter Planes, building its very own Attack Helicopters, Frigates and Missiles.
Your microscopic Greece (again no offense but truth sometimes hurts) has next to no industrial output nor do you have any multinationals to speak of.
The city of Istanbul is ranked by the Economist the 4th in the World for the number of Dollar Billionaires.
Had it not been for the EU subsidies (i.e. handouts) Greece would have been in a similar predicament as Albania or Macedonia at best.
You seem ‘fearful’ as you overuse the word ‘temporary’ as a result perhaps of concern that your German – French EU masters may indeed overtake your entire nation since you Greeks produce next to NOTHING of value but in return take, take and take from the EU.
Re: PS 2
The power of the Turkish Armed Forces is legendary as evidenced by the war of liberation at the end of WW I when every one of the Parasitical Imperialist Powers were defeated devastatingly against all odds … your grandfather may have been among those kicked into the Aegean in Izmir after a brief occupation ‘under the wings of your big Imperialist Brothers’.
As a side note how interesting that a Greek, supposedly a member of the EU, would spend any time as you do attempting to spread Anti-Turkish Propaganda! One may wonder if that is as a result of a feeling of Greek Cultural Inferiority Complex for rejection by the ‘Real EU Countries’?

You seem to be borderline illiterate or ill-educated at best since your parents apparently never thought you anything about history? … The Turkish Armed Forces devastated half-a-dozen Parasitical Imperialists during the War of Liberation. As for your microscopic Greece NOT the entire Turkish Army but one tenth of it would occupy 100% of Greece in less than a week! Surely nobody would care to do that because Greece is currently totally BANCRUPT at the mercy of the ‘Real EU Countries’ like Germany and France. Presumably the EU would be happy if that hypothetical scenario took place because then the real EU nations would finally get rid off Greece ONCE and FOR ALL no more Welfare State of the EU? Ancient Greece much like Rome are LONG GONE never to come back. Current Greece of which you are a member on the other hand is likely to be a financial burden on the backs of all the hard working EU nations who don’t even consider Greeks to be ‘Europeans’ REALLY :-) Your very presence in this particular web site proves the EU point that Greek appear to suffer from an intense Cultural Inferiority Complex because no matter how much they play the ‘cry baby’ nobody even in the EU cares to hear. To enlighten further Turkey as a land bridge has ancient ruins from every tribe and civilization much like Greece has many works of Ottoman Turkish works of art. Surely Greeks are welcome to visit as Turkey is the World’s 6th biggest Tourist Destination. If you choose not to visit as a tourist then you may instead keep posting the ‘Megali Idea Nonsense’ on-line and see if anybody cares. As for your apparent ‘Greek Cultural Inferiority Complex’ you will need to consult a professional for that. In the previous note having mentioned how the two cultures have much in common … that may well be a contributor to your cultural inferiority complex since Greece has been under Ottoman Turkish occupation for 600+ years during which you should be thankful Greece got to have a cuisine that is the Turkish cuisine stolen in its entirety by Greeks. Greeks can change the names of Turkish dishes to Greek all they want but the educated part of the World knows it is all Turkish food with Greek names really.

Macedonians totally disagree with that delusional Hellenic dream as the ancient Macedonians were not Greek and hence the movement for Macedonian independence: https://www.facebook.com/TruthAboutMacedoniaThatGreeceDoesntWantYouToKnow/
As for your ‘Banana Republic of the EU’ totally disrespected by every REAL EU country your pathetic ‘City-State’ of Greece has no technology or Industrial Production to speak of really! The Hellenes are the ultimate welfare state of the EU and as stated by many EU leaders it was a tragic mistake on the part of the EU to ever accept such a dependent technologically backward country like Greece into their fold. That is WHY Greece today is financially bankrupt and would be no different than Ethiopia or Sudan had it not been for the hand-outs of the hard-working German and French taxpayers who are totally fed up with the parasitical existence of the cry-baby ‘City-State’ Greece.
The only contribution of Greece to the EU is Olive Oil and stolen Turkish Cuisine camouflaged with Greek verbiage but nobody is buying it.
As for the top Research Universities, Industrial Output, Gross Domestic Product and the strength of the Military Greece is hardly even a second class power. Our beloved Istanbul alone offers far more to the rest of Europe than all of Greece really.
Greece cannot even put together a bicycle when the Turkish Aerospace Industries produce F-16 Fighter planes, Attack Helicopters, Surface Battle Ships, Submarines, Europe’s 5th biggest Auto Manufacturing base and therefore your intense Cultural Inferiority Complex is understandable. After all the Germans discriminate against the Greeks begging for more and more money from the EU with offering absolutely nothing in return.
Even your entire contemporary culture other than your un-manly soldiers wearing ‘skirts’ is stolen from your former occupying colonial masters the Ottoman Turks.
Let’s face it had it not been your ‘Cultural Inferiority Complex’ and had the real EU states not made you feel totally un-European you would more likely be in an EU forum for sure … but clearly you feel unwelcome in EU forums on the web which must be terribly humiliating. The conclusion is that the myth regarding the Ancient Greeks is “ANCIENT HISTORY” nobody cares about. Today the major World Power Turkey is a far more lucrative trading partner to the EU than Greece can ever expect to be!
The Germans reluctantly paying your unpaid bills on your behalf could not care less about anything ancient as the REAL EU members cannot collect the massive loans in the order of billions of Euros from the “Ancient Greeks” :-)
Industrial and technologically today’s Turkey is decades AHEAD of your pauper Greece and everybody but a handful of delusional Greeks know it.
Participating in what should be ‘irrelevant forums’ as apparently you may not feel fit to be in an EU forum is not likely to help out with your Hellenic Cultural Inferiority Complex don’t you think?

Notwithstanding your Hellenic delusions the more likely possibility is that in 5-6 months Greece as a microscopic ‘City-State’ may not exist as a sovereign entity at all: 1) MACEDONIA, 2) The Turkish minority long suppressed by the Racist Greek State joins Turkey, 3) The remainder becomes a confederation owned and managed by Greece’s biggest Creditor: Germany. Also contrary to your Megali delusions the only genocide committed was by the cowardly fleeing Greek armies killing unarmed Turkish civilians while running away from the Turkish Liberation Forces before they got kicked into the bottom of the Aegean in Izmir. Of course the whole World knows what happened when the Racist EOKA Greek Terrorists insisted on committing genocide against the Turkish-Cypriots the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) was established after kicking out the Greek Terrorists from the island in 1974. Here is a word of advice … since you as un-European seem to enjoy Middle Eastern forums when your bankrupt ‘City-State’ with less than half the population of Istanbul gets split into three you may perhaps seek ASYLUM from Syria?

EOKA = “Exceptionally murderous Cowardly Racist Terrorists” only effective in attacking unarmed civilians and GENOCIDAL FOOLS ran away once the TAF landed on Cyprus and kicked their sorry asses of the LOSERS into the bottom of Eastern Mediterranean. At the very first sign of the Turkish Air Force the EOKA losers were running scared leaving their ‘shoes’ and weapons behind. The shoes left behind the EOKA cowards are still in display in the Racist Greek-Cypriot’ museum of shame and disgrace. Mother Greece with soldiers wearing skirts could not lift a finger in 1974 as she knew there was NOT A SINGLE THING she could do against the mighty neighbor to her East. The poor helpless Hellenes knew in 1974 as they know today that even the Turkish Police Force alone would be able to take care of all of the EOKA Terrorists along with the entire microscopic army of Greece. Such is apparently the destiny of the ‘most unproductive’ City-State called Greece accustomed to not getting any RESPECT from any REAL European nation. Poor child … had you truly felt European and had the REAL EU countries ever made you like you were in reality a part of the EU what on earth would you been doing in a Syria-related forum site? Perhaps ‘Cultural Inferiority Complex’ has permanently become a part of Greek psyche. Delusional Hellenes you shall find no free councelling for your psychological maladies here as “the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus’ is now a PERMANENT particularly after the Greek-Cypriot Racist fools turned down their last chance for reunification in the UN sponsored proposal many years ago. Cyprus is NOT and HAS NEVER been and will never be a Greek island!. As a microscopic ‘COLONY of the EU’ your City-State is bankrupt and weak. Nobody cares about what the Hellenes have to say not in the EU, nor in the rest of the World. So carry on with your ‘CRY BABY ACT’ in Middle East Forums all you want :-)