Trump Threatens Europe: “We Will Tax Your Cars”

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Originally appeared at Zero Hedge

This is how trade wars escalate: Trump hasn’t even officially announced the steel and aluminum import tariffs, expected to be formally unveiled this coming week, and the rhetoric is already one of World Trade War I doom and gloom.

Hours after Trump tweeted on Friday morning that “trade wars are good, and easy to win,” European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said the bloc is prepared to respond quickly and forcefully by targeting imports of Harley-Davidson motorbikes, Levi Strauss & Co. jeans and bourbon whiskey from the U.S.

According to some, the preliminary EU retaliation was targeted in a way that would maximize political pressure on American leaders: Harley-Davidson is based in House Speaker Paul Ryan’s home state of Wisconsin, while bourbon whiskey hails from the state of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. San Francisco-based Levi Strauss is headquartered in House Minority Leader’s Nancy Pelosi’s district.

As Bloomberg noted, Juncker’s threat heightened the prospects of a global free-for-all, as the World Trade Organization said the potential of escalating tensions “is real” and the International Monetary Fund warned the restrictions would likely damage the U.S. and global economy. It also prompted speculation that in light of the widespread condemnation by US trading partners and allies, that Trump might step back and reconsider the sanctions.  This in turn led to a late-day burst in the stock market.

That however appears unlikely: first, in a tweet Friday morning, Trump doubled-down and warned of more trade actions ahead, casting them as reciprocal taxes, a term he has used for imposing levies on imports from countries that charge higher duties on U.S. goods than the U.S. currently charges.

“We will soon be starting RECIPROCAL TAXES so that we will charge the same thing as they charge us. $800 Billion Trade Deficit-have no choice!” Trump said in the tweet.

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On Saturday, Trump’s resolve appears only to be hardened. For one, Trump’s newly reincarnated foreign trade advisor said that the tariffs will likely be signed early next week. On Friday, Navarro also made clear that there wouldn’t be any exemptions, for either Canada or other US allies:

“I don’t believe any country in the world is going to retaliate for the simple reason we are the most lucrative and biggest market in the world,” Navarro told Fox News Friday. “They know they’re cheating us. All we’re doing is standing up for ourselves.”

One look at the record US trade deficit, with both the entire world, and with just Europe, and one could make the case that he is correct.

And then, just to underscore that the market’s late Friday assumption that Trump may change his mind on trade wars may have been woefully premature, on Saturday trump unleashed a pair of tweets making it clear that he not only has no intention of backing down, but is already planning counter-retaliation to Europe’s retaliation.

In the first of two tweets, trump blasted that “the United States has an $800 Billion Dollar Yearly Trade Deficit because of our “very stupid” trade deals and policies. Our jobs and wealth are being given to other countries that have taken advantage of us for years. They laugh at what fools our leaders have been. No more!”

More importantly, Trump followed that tweet with an explicit threat aimed at Europe, saying that “If the E.U. wants to further increase their already massive tariffs and barriers on U.S. companies doing business there, we will simply apply a Tax on their Cars which freely pour into the U.S. They make it impossible for our cars (and more) to sell there. Big trade imbalance!”

And yes, the trade imbalance is indeed big: in fact it has never been bigger.

Trump Threatens Europe: "We Will Tax Your Cars"

Of course, that’s just how the EU likes it, and once Trump counter-retaliates to Europe’s retaliation, it will be Europe’s turn next to retaliate once again, eventually resulting in the tit-for-tat “prisoner’s dilemma” constant defection game taught in every Poli Sci 101 class, which also happens to be the worst possible outcome.

Incidentally, while many have been quick to slam Trump’s strategy, at least one hedge fund believes that Trump is correct in his trade war stance. Here is Stephen Jen from SLJ Macro Partners:

  1. The US is the least protectionist large economy in the world, while China is the most protectionist. In our note on this subject a couple of weeks ago, we pointed out that the US, based on data from the WTO, is by far the least protectionist nation in the world (with the exception of a tariff-free city state like Hong Kong) — far more open than Europe, Japan, and especially China. And it seems a bit hypocritical to us that more protectionist nations are complaining about the actions of the least protectionist nation.
  2. Excess capacity in China. China has half of the world’s steel production capacity, much of which is excessive and unnecessary, even Beijing would admit. The 2008-09 RMB4 trillion stimulus in China further boosted China’s industrial capacity, including in steel and other sunset industries. This has led to a situation where Chinese steel production had to be exported to the rest of the world at very low prices. Some in the US, not surprisingly, consider this ‘dumping’. Further, both the US and the EU share the verdict that China is still not a ‘market-based’ economy, because of the large and persistent explicit and implicit government subsidies, and other forms of support from the public sector, that make Chinese products unfairly competitive.
  3. Why is Europe not held to the same standard as the US? Europe is complaining about the US’ latest policy. Investors should know that Europe has already imposed two dozen anti-dumping measures against Chinese steel exports. What then is the substantive difference between the anti-dumping measures imposed by the EU and what the Trump Administration is doing? Is Europe less protectionist than the US? If Europe were so open, what is all the fuss about Brexit and the inability of the UK to access the European market?

So what happens if over the next week a trade war officially breaks out? The answer will depend on how US trading partners such as China, Canada and the EU retaliate, but one thing is clear: as GMO’s Ben Inker wrote on Friday afternoon, for risk-assets this could be the start of a 40% (or more) crash in stocks:

Trade Wars are Bad, and Nobody Wins

Yesterday’s announcement by President Trump of imminent tariffs on steel and aluminum imports was taken poorly by global stock markets. Perhaps in an attempt to convince investors this was an incorrect response, early this morning he tweeted that “trade wars are good, and easy to win.” He is wrong, and beyond the simple fact of his wrongness, a trade war is probably more dangerous for investors at this time than at any other time in recent history given the implications it would have for inflation, monetary policy, and economic growth. The only positive from the tariffs is that it is a windfall profit increase for U.S. producers of steel and aluminum, which is at least positive for them. It is unlikely to cause any material increase in U.S. capacity to produce steel and aluminum and therefore unlikely to lead to many additional jobs even in those sectors. The negatives are much more significant. I believe these tariffs on their own will push inflation higher, and higher inflation is a threat to the valuations of more or less all financial assets today. But the greater threat is that this escalates into an actual trade war. A trade war would increase prices on a much broader array of goods and services, while simultaneously depressing aggregate global demand. This pushes us in the direction of not just inflation but stagflation, where both valuations and corporate cash flow would be under pressure. While there are scenarios that would be worse for financial markets—the proverbial asteroid on a collision path with Earth comes to mind—a trade war has the potential to be very bad for both the global economy and investor portfolios.

As I wrote about last December, a significant inflation problem might well be the worst thing that could happen to a balanced portfolio, leading to losses on the order of 40%. A global trade war would be exactly the kind of economic event that could foreseeably lead to losses of that magnitude.

Trade Wars are Bad

As a general rule, when you add “war” to your description of an event, it’s a pretty strong suggestion that it is unlikely to be either good or easy. Wars are sometimes well intentioned (the war on drugs), occasionally necessary (World War II), but seldom good and more or less never easy to win. Even if you do “win” easily, the longer term implications are often more problematic than you thought (the second Iraq War). There is still some time for this particular war to be averted. But while it is our general contention that equity markets tend to overreact to political and economic events, this is not one of those times.

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  • velociraptor

    Putin likes this.
    Big chance for russians to put their Ladas om american market. :)))

    • Dusan Markovic

      Lada is Renault……….

      • velociraptor

        Lada is Shit.

        • Siegfried

          Buy BMW, Mercedes… as long as you still can …..
          Teflon-Don will confiscate your German car (sic!) ;)

      • Daniel Miller

        No and No you obviusely have never ridden in a Lada befor the old ones are very reliable and the new ones are very affordable and you get amazing quality for them. I mean its funny since the Lada beat out alot of US car brands on the German market since the US cars did not have the ecological,fule consuption and safety standards of the EU.

        • velociraptor

          The newest Lada is megashit. My friend tested it officially. More the 100 failure. Big problems with all doors. so, not only at uaz (may earlier putin culture plugin), but also ladas. as i saw, ruskies had also problems with doors on houses. maybe they are genetically not able to produce fitting doors, mainly their handles.

      • Siegfried

        ?? Renault? LADA was FIAT copy/paste as I know..

        • HighLord Gaz

          LADA is owned in the majority by the so-called Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi alliance. Last count they controlled about 10 brands.

          • Siegfried

            A-HA! Thanks, didn’t know, wasn’t “updated” ;)

    • Siegfried

      Big chance that the EU sh*ts on the CIA-sanctions on Russia, breaks-up with the “monolith brotherhood” in the Ukraine-matter (that serves ONLY to the USA and their ambitions to get CONTROL over the Russian PIPELINES to Western-Europe) … and TRUMP f*cks it up again..
      This Trump is a real prezzie for the Russians: a J€w-Yorker Boris Yeltsin.
      And the Yankee-Boris doesn’t even need a bottle Vodka to be drvnk, he “gets high with natural self-produced dope”, his own egomaniac megalomania and has the bad-habit to take hasty “Oriental satrap”-decisions.
      I really start to believe that CIA-j€rk Brennan when he says that Trump isn’t quit normal “up-there, between the ears” :)))))

  • FlorianGeyer

    ” by targeting imports of Harley-Davidson motorbikes, Levi Strauss & Co. jeans and bourbon whiskey from the U.S.”

    Wow, things are getting really bad :) :) :)

    The EU really knows hoe to hit back .:)

    • Tudor Miron

      They will blame Putin, I’m sure.

      • Siegfried

        LOL!..
        “Damn’ Russians!” ;)….

      • velociraptor

        europeans are intelligens. drunken ruskie nation blames always others: jews, america, eu, china, negros, pinguins, weather…

        • HighLord Gaz

          If I was like you (and deeply embarrassed myself with every single post) I’d probably throw away my computer….

          • Siegfried

            He cannot throw away his computer, it’s a Governmental property )))))

        • Tudor Miron

          Try harder troll.

          • Siegfried

            Kosher-velociraptor ;)..

          • velociraptor

            sehr gut

          • Siegfried

            Danke, Shlomo ;)..

          • velociraptor

            i read russian newspaper. i cited only :DDD

          • Siegfried

            Try the Romanian papers… You won’t laugh anymore ..

        • John Whitehot

          they may be intelligens but not extraordinarily intelligent.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Trump’s only real wars he has been fighting since election is trade wars, gets upset with Canada over everything especially Milk and Cheese since in the US it uses antibiotics and growth Hormones steroids all things banned in the Canadian Agricultural industry. Can’t use enhancers and GMO for the local consumer in Canada , the US feed lots operate in Canada and ships beef to the US. Every trade war with Canada has ended with it going to court and the US lost every time.

        • Bob

          Err, have you even picked up newspaper in the last year? Weak and subservient Western European leaders are just parroting the entire US FBI/DNC/DoJ exercise in blame-shifting of their (legal) woes onto Russia. Irony much?!

      • FlorianGeyer

        Sadly, the fools probably will :)

        • Siegfried

          LOL!

        • occupybacon

          No, the fools will vote him

          • Siegfried

            Comes better & better, what?
            ” Errare humanum est, PERSEVERARE diabolicum” _ Seneca was it, if I remember well…

          • John Whitehot

            ask the regime change cabal.

          • FlorianGeyer

            Not me. I would cast them all into Oubliette’s . :)

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      • Dr. Ronald Cutburth

        Russia did it.

    • John Whitehot

      besides, give us f-35s !

      take our pediatric hospitals, our elementary schools but give us f-35s !

      • Siegfried

        Yep!.. The flying -coffin F-35 …
        Made by LOCKHEED-martin… where the WIFE of DICK CHENEY is some big raptor….
        Even the CIA said that the damn’ thing shines on the SU-35 & Russki S-400 radars like the Alexandria- Lighthouse in the Antique and the FUEL-tank are so badly placed that even an old MiG-21 gets the thing down with 2-3 canon-shots :)
        THESE are the words of US experts, !!

        • John Whitehot

          “Even the CIA said that the damn’ thing shines on the SU-35 & Russki S-400 radars ”

          If true, it’s probable that boeing paid them to say so.

          in any case, actually stealth is a myth to eat up taxmoney; don’t expect raptors or b2s to be much better.

          • Siegfried

            F-22 does partially what it promised, but with the Russki SU-35 “passive radar” has no idea that it’s “spotted” and the missile is underway..
            THE ONLY total-STEALTH (till the Russkis had the S-400 and the brilliant SU-30 MK /and SU-35 radar) was the F23 made by Northrop.

            BUT BOEING & Lockheed ( aka the BUSH-CLAN & Cheney-Connection) “won the race” and the F-23 lost => the CHINESE got the project somehow… and now the Yellows fly a modified F-23, much better than the F-22 raptor..
            Well.. so happens if making MONEY and LOBBYing is more important than the Country’s security ;)

            The B2 is made by Northrop-Grumman, even so sh*tty like it is, it’s the only thing that really functions somehow by the USA.

            B2 has to fly with 250 computers, otherwise it falls down like a stone…
            And it’s a f*cked-up COPY of Hitler’s HORTEN 229-plane
            But the Yanks were so stvpid NOT to take the Horten-brothers to the USA to show them HOW the plane has to be made..
            The best on it is… that the Russkis have some ” waves-canons” on board by some planes that knock-out the electronic in American ships & planes..

            Already used in the Black-Sea on an American destroyer “Donald Cook” =< the ship was completely paralyzed, all electric was dead… and 38 Navy-men asked for being moved on another ship or to go in retirement :))
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Donald_Cook
            Of course The SUN & Co tried to play-down the incident … ;)

            The 3rd Reich HORTEN flew with common hydraulic commands, didn't need the f*king computers at all.:
            http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1620/1996958/12220101/187616568.jpg
            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Horten_Ho_229_Smithsonian_front.jpg

          • John Whitehot

            sorry, but i do my homework in a different way. interesting though.

          • Rob

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAesOURSDh8
            Russia Is All In: Putin Wants To Build An 8,400-Mile Train Route Connecting London To Tokyo

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCiECC-9sIE
            SECRET SPECS: Russia’s Su-57 fifth-generation fighter makes first flight with new engine
            SU-57 is infect 6th generation multi role fighter jet due to its speed, stealthy and 3D vectoring jet engines. 3D vectoring engine is used for better maneuverability and in dogfight.

            SU-57 fighter jet role:———————Stealth air superiority fighter, 6th generation
            Engine: 3D Vectoring
            Maximum speed at high altitude: Mach 3 (3,600 km/hr)
            Service ceiling: 30,000 m
            ——————————————————–
            The US F-22 raptor fighter jet role:——-Stealth air superiority fighter, 5th generation
            Engine: 2D Vectoring
            Maximum speed at high altitude: Mach 2 (2,450 km/hr)
            Service ceiling: 20,000 m

      • FlorianGeyer

        You should be Prime Minister John :)

        The downside that you would probably object to though ,is the obligatory membership of the Commons ‘Friends of Israel ‘ club and a trip ( paid by yourself naturally ) to Israel and the obligatory donning of a Kippah whilst nodding reverently listening to complete bollocks :)

        • John Whitehot

          xDDD

  • HighLord Gaz

    Chinese steel comprises ~2% of the US steel import volumes. Most steel imported to US comes from Canada, Germany. mexico & Korea.

    This BS about China and the endless neoliberal complaining about public ownership of Chinese enterprises is just a dog & pony show.

    • Siegfried

      Has more propaganda-goals, some “half-time”-ELECTIONS are coming in the USA and the Reps are worried about their majorities in both Congress-chambers.
      So, Trump must play the noisy Elephant that takes care of his “subjects” as a good Emperor ;)..
      He already f*cked it up with the 2nd Amendment, as he said: ” Take their guns first and then fix that legally somehow, after that” (!!!!)
      That made even his sold-out lapd0g Alex Jones get scared ! :)))))

      And IF Nancy Pelosy laughs happy and almost embraces TRUMP… well, that’s not quit a sign that Trump conquered many Rednecks’ hearts ..
      (But it’s good, THEY may see what a piece of sh*t Trump is, what an opportunistic chameleon, egomaniac & narcissist.
      The ONLY thing that matters for him … is Teflon-Don TRUMP. As long as somebody assures him that his a## sits sure in the Oval-Office’ arm-chair, he does anything that serves to that only goal => to be The #1 ballooned turkey in the US-Empire

    • Steve Schmidt

      About 25% of steel imported into the US comes from China via Mexico and Canada, using the NAFTA loophole to avoid any tariffs. I dont have exact figures on aluminum, but it is much worse.

      Trump is setting the stage to renegotiating or ending NAFTA to close the loophole whereby Mexico and Canada are used to broker Chinese steel into the US market.

      • Serious

        So, you create NAFTA to steal ressources from Mexico. Then, you find a scapegoat (the bad China as usual) to renegociate. XD.

        • 5commando

          NAFTA was created by free-trade libertoons, Clintonistas and GOPe wall-street shills. It was extremely unpopular among Americans at the time, and still is. The 2016 election and the events being discussed here are pushback against that faction. America is far from being a monolith.

          • Serious

            Oh. It was unpopular among Americans. And among Mexicans ???

            It was cool to export the products towards Mexico, a country that can produce nothing and to expell farmers to steal the lands. But, now, that others adapt and the situation is not beneficial “I want to renegociate”. XD.

            The more funny is that USA want to do the exact same things with Europe with TAFTA. XD.

            So, I don’t know about lunatic people.

    • John Whitehot

      i remember reading that lots of that steel coming from china is actually junk that the US and other countries sends there so that the chinas can melt it and export as steel again. is it possible?

      • as

        Yes it is possible. I got the chances to work with one of Chinese supplied beams which is by the way marketed as a new kinds lightweight alloy that has it’s weight reduced considerably but still as strong. The result ? It chips and bent rather quick that we need to replace it.

        • John Whitehot

          afaik, and is not much, it should be remarketed as lower quality steel and at much cheaper price. But i’m pretty sure that if these kinds of schemes exist it’s owed to buyers in the us copping lots of money from these deals.

  • Serious

    USA has always be a fake capitalist country. They want capitalism but only when it advantage them. When it doesn’t, they make taxes. it always been like that.

    Like I said, USA is like nazism (national-socialism) that forbid others to be national-socialism.

    • Siegfried

      Official Trailer for AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM –Aaron Russo
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gUATN93Czc&feature=related

      • Serious

        Two US presidents have been killed by insiders. So, there is someone inside that did it to control the most powerful country on earth.

        • Siegfried

          The Rockefeller Foundation thru its Council of Foreign relations & The Bilderberg in Europe.
          Take 10-12 minutes of your time and SEE THIS clip.
          Suddenly it will develop the entire “Global Picture” & you won’t be sorry that you saw it:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuinaIm-kd4

        • John Whitehot

          not to mention those that were threatened to be killed and changed all their policies according to that.

          • Siegfried

            Many say that THIS killed him

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HTr-F-FVM

          • Rob

            The speech is great but was dangerous to Zionists. That is why America moved down and Russia and China moved up.

          • John Whitehot

            Obama and Trump have been killed as well, not as men, but as Presidents. If Clinton won for example, there would had been no need to “kill” her. Know what i mean.

      • Serious

        Listen to 2:16. The guys say exactly what I said. Americanism have more similarities with nazism and communism and fascism than the propaganda people are being told. XD.

        • Siegfried

          Kosher-Nostra (aka the “J€wish-Hinklerists” / known as Zi0nists, produced Communism, taking the Catholic Church structure and pyramidal organization of the 14-16 Century and copy/paste the Holy Inquisition as CEKA/NKVD/KGB.

          As Stalin f*cked their hit-man Trotsky in Russia (Rothschild#s man for dirty things, brilliant organizer.. like =>SEE Marlon Brando in “Burn !”.., they had to find something else to get Russia back into their jaws.
          So they looked and… found their OWN T@LMUD as model => just have to replace the “Ch0sen People” with “Übermensch” aka “Superior Race” and you have the “New-Movement” ;)

          Fascism aka T@lmudic Zionism “translated” for Goym-useful idy0ts

  • Serious

    Europe deserves to be treated like shit like they love so much their american masters.

    Who f….ing need Ford when you have Mercedes, BMW, Ferrari, …. ?

  • Serious

    In the 1940s, Roosevelt taxes the richs to 90% for those who earn more than 5 millions dollars. USA never was a capitalist country : another lie. Never remind this to an American, he will not believe that he lived in a socialist country. XD.

    If USA succeded in the past it’s because the incomes was balance between people. I’m sorry but someone doesn’t to earn more than 100 millions. With this amount of money, he can lie 10 times.

    Now, USA has become shit because the richer get richer and the poorer poorer and people are still taxed with no advantages in return.

    So, Trump, instead of taxing the richer (his gang), he prefers to tax the good products (BMW, Mercedes, ….). Trump appears more and more to be one of the worst US president of all time. XD.

  • velociraptor

    90% of european cars on american market are made in usa. but somebody forget to tell this fact to Donkey.

    • Tudor Miron

      Ouch! this creature is in serious need of medical help :) 90% Lol

    • John Whitehot

      actually only italian fiat made city cars and suvs, which suck anyway and make hardly any meaningful percentage in markets.

      besides, they were formerly manufacturing them in poland.

      • velociraptor

        the whole VW Group has factories in usa.

    • Siegfried

      Ah so… and if the Europeans move to Canada & Mexico, tens of thousands of Americans will lose their jobs, you comics-figure.
      because BUYERS are the same EUROPEANS that bought the “made in USA” SUVs and roadsters..
      And RUSSIA will be glad to have that American factories by them at home by 15% TAXES and flood their country with good cars.

      • velociraptor

        they willnot mive. they produce in usa, therefore no taxes.

        russia is forbidden word in usa. everything russian is slowly but sure forbidden. began with kaspersky …

        oh wait, caviar maybe survives.

  • Serious

    It’s China !!! It’s China !!! XD.

    Poor Americans.

  • Barba_Papa

    Excellent, now the US will have even less to offer its allies, other then being a military vassal. As opposed to China which can offer huge stacks of cash.

  • World_Eye

    Oh fuck you, you old nerd of a fuck face you really are not capable of leading nothing, and you call yourself a leader you start to blackmail to everyone what you think this is you moron, this is running a state not a fucking trump towers you low level brained scum. You can’t do shit car-taxes man fuck you the real question is how you managed to came on power that’s what I am asking until today you had 10% chance but in end you boom got it all, well maybe Mr. Putin really didn’t like the Clinton robot glitched bitch and say to himself better trump that her, and crack some of your servers and let you in. But yet you can never prove that, cuz you had no one from inside the US to help you you low IQ moron… You will threat everyone you start to blackmail everyone 70% of your business is in europe you can’t survive a day without europe.. Nato and Eu are just bitches to the US I can’t believe to see so many states to be on standby for one sick brain. Well the good thing I an not in both of them either Nato or Eu. I am from Republic Of Macedonia but yet again here the things are fucked my government want to sell us to the Bulgarians did it already small part of the history, now they are striping monuments that are associated with the word Aleksandar the Great for the damn geeks and above all out parliamentary majority is fucking albanians who want to change the constitution by making reforms in the courts of laws. The previous government recognized Kosovo as a shit of state and we lost all good relationships with Serbia we only have descent relationship now maybe with Bosnia, all other 3 around us they all want to see Republic Of Macedonia dead and on peaces. Including trumps ambassador Bailey who made this government to happen, hah you should see some tube videos how the new SDSM party and the Albanians chose the new speaker of the parliament haha you will laugh… Any way peace and fuck off trump respectively you damn US just making all countries hell inside of them…Hand of Syria and hand of my country.

    • as

      It’s amazing. We’re on the very brink of nuclear war. Most of people are very afraid of violent terrorism but not a nuclear winter.

  • hvaiallverden

    Yeah, just an itch, with the constant nonsense about stealth, Jesus forget that, stealth ship, are you kidding, right, huh, do you pay attention at all, well, I suspect not.

    The Russians, clever people, to acknowledge what one really need in modern combat, not stealth, buddy boy, but means to level the field, by distortion or by jamming, EW boy.
    What would you sit in, an machine loaded with highly suitable missile tech, broad range radars, aka stealth reading, to other means, or in an Wankee box.
    I just dont know, but the truth is we dont, until real combat occurs, but one thing do I know, Russian plains are durable, and highly efficient missiles, and have to maneuverability one needs, and countering incoming, witch I talk about, you dont have that, and what then is it that makes you so sure your plains etc, is superior to the Russians.
    After watching an Stormovic in real, not an replica but an genuine one, the hairs stood in the back of my neck, all hail and glory to those that flew this thing, an wooden plain with an engine, the only solid thing on that plain, along with the Balls on the Pilots fleeing this plain.

    To me, nothing compares to an Suck, hehe, on this.
    Nada.
    Whatever the Pak comes out to be, I would still go for an Suck.

    Yeah, Trumpstein, huh, mad as an hatter.
    What do you expect, protect the swamp, what draining, to me, its Trump whom is slowly sinking into the sump, now, the entire globe is an national threat, I wounder whom is next, huh, the Moon.
    Yeah, why not, terrorizing us with light, tides and so on.

    peace

  • Dr. Ronald Cutburth

    While the US drives it’s and the EU economies down that will not effect Russia’s war machine building. Russia does find without trade with the EU and the US. It is not advisable for the EU to reject Russian natural gas as they can stop folks from cooking and having hearing. That is dangerous. Of course their option of US gas at double the price will bankrupt their public. The people in any nation don’t need all the problems the EU and the US have caused us. Also the deaths in Syria, Iraq, Afganistan.