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To Nobody’s Surprise, Navalny Was Allegedly Poisoned With Novichok

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To Nobody's Surprise, Navalny Was Allegedly Poisoned With Novichok

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On September 2nd, tests performed on samples taken from prominent Russian opposition figure Alexey Navalny showed the presence of the Soviet-era nerve agent Novichok, according to the German government.

Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman, Steffen Seibert, said in a statement that testing by a special German military laboratory had shown “proof without doubt of a chemical nerve agent from the Novichok group”.

“It is a dismaying event that Alexey Navalny was the victim of an attack with a chemical nerve agent in Russia,” Seibert said. “The German government condemns this attack in the strongest terms. The Russian government is urgently requested to provide clarifications over the incident.”

“This is disturbing information about the attempted murder through poisoning against a leading Russian opposition figure,” Merkel told a news conference. “Alexey Navalny was the victim of an attack with a chemical nerve agent of the Novichok group.”

German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas urged Moscow to investigate the poisoning, and said the Russian ambassador had been summoned to explain the evidence.

“This makes it all the more urgent that those responsible in Russia be identified and held accountable,” Maas told reporters. “We condemn this attack in the strongest terms.”

The UK, US and others immediately responded to the report, condemning Russia’s alleged actions in failing to assassinate Alexey Navalny with Novichok, similarly to how it allegedly failed to kill Sergey and Yuliya Skripal.

 

Currently, new sanctions from the US and the EU are inevitable one way or another.

The pressure will be exerted into four directions, more than likely:

  1. Attempt to entirely cancel Nord Stream 2, despite resistance from Chancellor Angela Merkel and German business, but to the benefit of those in Germany, and the US who strongly oppose the project.
  2. Limit any actions that Russia may take towards Belarus.
  3. Cause a further deterioration in relations between the Russian Federation and the EU, as well as provoke a deterioration in relations between Germany and the Russian Federation.
  4. Return the “Russian aggression” narrative in to the mainstream even more so, as the US elections are nearing and Russian hysteria needs to make a comeback for political gains, internally, in the US.

Furthermore, the story is likely to develop heavily in the media, similarly to what happened with the Skripals.

Back in 2014, the wreckage of Malaysian Airlines flight MH-17 was handed over to the Netherlands, and biased and unsubstantiated accusations began being propagated.

Similarly, Alexey Navalny was handed over to Germany and stories about Novichok immediately surface and begin being propagated.

But still, let’s look at the claims:

  1. If one would assume that Navalny was, in fact, poisoned following an order by the Kremlin, how likely is it that Novichok poisoning, with an incredibly dangerous nerve agent would fail twice. Clearly, it allegedly failed in Skripal, now it failed again. And knowing that they had poisoned him, the Russians somehow release Navalny to Germany. It should be reminded that Navalny is a Russian citizen, and Russia doesn’t not deport its citizens.
  2. Another option is that some other party poisoned Navalny. He was taken to hospital, and clearly poison would quickly be detected if one would know what they were looking for, and it is unlikely that the Russian physicians had no idea that a high-ranking Russian official could be poisoned. As such, it is likely that they discovered he was allegedly poisoned by Novichok, and they still released him to Germany? Or maybe the Russians couldn’t detect the poison they allegedly created themselves?

Both of these would lead to the same scenario – accusations, new sanctions and pressure. Both also resulted in failure since the “assassination attempt” didn’t result in anybody dying.

It also should be reminded that German outlet DW reported that Navalny could have been poisoned by Novichok more than a week ago, prior to any accusations.

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christianblood

Why did Russia allow him to travel to Germany gifting the West a new powerful, anti Russian propaganda tool?

Dick Von Dast'Ard

Well why shouldn’t they? … If he (Navalny and family) returns from his self-imposed exile back to Russia, Navalny loses an awful lot of face.

I’d say he is screwed as a half-useful asset and his handlers have ensured that he is.

Douglas Houck

I’d say he is screwed as a half-useful asset

The Russians inferred that Navalny was having alcohol withdrawal symptoms when he was taken from the plane which mostly means he was coming to the end of his usefulness. What better way to get some last usefulness out of him.

occupybacon

And also millions died in Russia because the shortage of vodka not of food.

Tommy Jensen

Off course.
As I already said, a bottle of whiskey per day keep all viruses at bay, and this prevails all over the world.

#'~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

Really? Can you point me to a credible source?

occupybacon

Google Vodka Holocaust Russia. It’s official.

#'~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

Thanks here to for confirming you have no sensible contribution to make, although you probably consider polluting a thread as “making a contribution”.

occupybacon

Yeah like yuscenko after he was poisoned, he lost all credibility.

Sauron

just before 13th Sep elections, very dumb move. still stuck in NKVD tactics that don’t work today

#'~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

What move do you mean?

Sauron

the move the article desperately tries to disprove

#'~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

The article does not try to disprove any “move”, so I still don’t know what “move” you mean.
Or did you just want to put a comment out there?

Sauron

The articles have assumptions. The lab has results. that is the difference. opinion vs facts.
If you have other facts, please go ahead let us know. i repeat, facts not opinions.

#'~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

You’re not answering my question about your own remark: what do you mean by “move”?

As long as you do not answer this cogently, you are merely reconfirming your spewing nonsense. So, if you reply again with more garbage I bother to answer and won’t waste my time any longer.

Sauron

poisoning og Navalny

Dick Von Dast'Ard

Well if you could spell the name you might actually get close to starting an 97% incoherent, irrelevant point.

occupybacon

Vladimir Poison Putin. Is this the correct name?

Dick Von Dast'Ard

I thought it was’ Vladimirovich’?

occupybacon

Vladimir Vladimirovich Poison?

Cromwell

Probably because they still don’t realize what they are dealing with and just how bloody evil the Empire is,its about time they woke up and went on the attack,here in Britain i have seen almost no fightback against the fabrications and naked propaganda.

christianblood

You are right. I feel the same way. Russians are still calling the West as their “partners”
and that speaks volumes by itself. Russians need to wake up and realize the West is NOT a partner but an enemy which is to be treated as such.

occupybacon

Because if he survives the chances if sanctions are only 50%. If he died in Russian hospital, it was 100%.

Dick Von Dast'Ard

U.S. vassal state foreign ministries will undoubtedly remain silent over the deaths of African-American Novichoked by the ‘law’ enforcement on the Empires soil.

occupybacon

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Sauron

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HiaNd

Fuck sanctions!

They have killed relations Russia – EU already.
Nothing left to sanction anyways.

But they can’t switch off the gas even if they try because Germany industry will not survive that

Sauron

Voldemort has the list of foreign assets of some important officials. That would be fun:)))

HiaNd

US are total idiots because they hurt only Russian ultra rich evading Russian taxes that are traitors to Russia anyways!

So go on stupid !
CELEBRATE !

Sauron

regular people are not at fault. though unfortunately affected by sanctions

jm74

Navalny was diagnosed with glucose deficiency in Russia and was diagnosed as being poisoned in Germany; Germany needs to explain. Whatever happens in Russia is of no concern to another state especially Germany who incidentally are guilty by association to US drone assassinations emanating from German territory.

occupybacon

Using war poisons fall under international treaties even when used on your own teritory.

Padre

A lot of thing fall under international treaties!In this case, as in more than a few previous cases, it is pretty unclear, who doesn’t want to follow them!

#'~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

How do you know “war poison” was used?
BTW, I had not heard that term before.

occupybacon

War poison you know like Novichock, which is also the name of Russian president, Vladimir Novichok Polonium

#'~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

By avoiding to answer the question, and deflecting to an irrelevant non-issue, you confirm that, once again, you have been spewing BS for lack of sensible thinking.

Thank you for that confirmation.

AJ

Are we supposed to believe another Skripal type incident – its as credible as all those Assad gas claims they rake up from time to time.

occupybacon

Are we supposed to believe another Russian opposition figure is in danger to be assasinated in Russia? This things never happen.

Sauron

good one

Doom Sternz

“The Syrian Arab Army and with the help of Russia captured a shipment of chemical weapons destined for the Eastern Ghouta. These were British weapons produced at Porton Down in Salisbury. Russia has indicated that the Skripal incident is related to Porton Downs chemical weapons smuggling, Skiripal was working at Porton Down as a chemical weapons trafficker in partnership with a Ukrainian firm. Russia denies attacking Skripal but admits he was under surveillance for his activities involving support of terrorism in Syria and arms trafficking.

Swiss Lab confirms “BZ toxin” produced in US or UK used in Salisbury poisoning. Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ.

The Swiss lab also commented at the presence of the nerve agent A234 in the samples, but added that the lab noted that its presence in the samples appeared strange, given the substance’s high volatility and the relatively long period between the poisoning and the sample-taking.

Sauron

Porton Down chemical weapons factory also employed Basaev, Nemtsov, Saakashvili, Kochinski et al.

Tommy Jensen

Does the internal fights in spy networks matter at all to the public?

AleK

“Russian opposition figure” =traitor financed and controlled by CIA/MI6.

btw Putin also killed John F. Kennedy, Seth Rich and Jeffrey Epstein… with Novichok of course.

occupybacon

For small minded people dictator=patriot, democracy=anarchy.

AleK

For complete idiots America/NATO = democracy.

occupybacon

Democracy is for people that can afford to buy food, for the rest kissing dictator’s ass keeps the hunger away.

AleK

Most dictators are installed by CIA. But they are not “dictators”, only those who don’t obey. Yet, brainless slaves fantasize about “democracy” while kissing american butts.

occupybacon

If there is a country you would perfectly fit that would be Nord Korea.

HiaNd

He also strangled in cold blood poodle of
John F. Kennedy mother.

Tommy Jensen

When we poison someone we do it professional, quick and secret.

When Russia poison someone to get influence and leverage, they do it amateurish and unprofessional always making clumsy headlines in the media.

But as you can see in Germany our close Allies Merkel and May always back America when we demand their action on Russia’s amateurish attempts to influence the free and civilised world.

Because if they didnt, US dollar wallet could easily be closed for Merkel and Co……………………..LOL.

#'~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

What do you meran by “the free and civilised world”?

HiaNd

I am sure that they will soon accuse

even dead Saddam Husein of having new Weapons of Mass Destruction again !

Take that peace of shit to the Skripal’s, Britts know how to cure their own poison!!!

johnny rotten

Since Novichok is not a scientific name and does not identify a particular neurotoxin we would have expected the German government to tell us which specific neurotoxin it is referring to, this is not going to happen like Porton Down did not, the exoticism in misinformation is a wildcard that is never abandoned, we will hear for a long time about Novichok and similar bullshit but never about real things.
However, one question remains unanswered, they have always lied to us talking about how lethal nerve agents are since they never manage to kill anyone, it’s a nice sigh of relief, could we optimistically expect more sighs like this?

Garga

By my count, this guy is the fifth person who comes in contact with the allegedly most lethal substance in existence and doesn’t die (Skripals, their cleaner who turned the “polluted” door knob, the guy who found the bottle in park are the other 4).

Maybe Mr. Putin has a better luck next time if he “injects” his “enemies” with gutter water instead of these fancy poisons? An added value would be the gutter water surely kills and is probably untraceable. Urrrra!

Jim Bim

From the moment that the German government last week asked for help from the Brits and their Porton Down lab, it was clear that a new Novichok hoax was in the making.
At the same time the Germans refused to answer Russias calls and sharing the test results.
it is clear that also Germany is hostile towards Russia.
Russia should put North stream 2 on hold and not renew existing gas contracts, the Chinese are more than willing to take the gas amount from the european marked.
Let the EU buy the very expensive US gas.

AleK

Russia should play this dirty game the way it’s enemies do: FSB should raid Navalny’s assistant house and find “Novichok” there, with “proof” it was made in UK (because most certainly it was). Then accuse his assistant, ban and arrest Navalny’s entire organization. Who gives a fuck about sanctions, you cannot avoid them anyway. This way you have 1) logical explanation and alternate perpetrator (ironically it is the real one) 2) you blame and attack your enemies instead of just waiting and defending (and that’s the best way you look guilty even if you are not).

Fog of War

That would be logical. However, Putin hasn’t been acting very ” logically ” in many issues.

Jim Bim

Russia is acting to nice.
Russia is like a boxer in a ring boxing by the rules, and fighting against a street fighter who uses all the dirty tricks.

cechas vodobenikov

Russians are not insecure like amerikans—no Russian would ever consider a strategic retreat to a defeat

chris chuba

Both the Russian and German hospital reported an enzyme inhibitor which the Germans claimed was poisoning. So how do you get from an enzyme inhibitor to a neurotoxin?

Pastir

Russia is paying the price for its political inadequacy but also for its old sins. One wonders why is A. Merkel seemingly so much anti-Russian. May it be that she doesn’t like their tendency to backstab and betray those who are closest to them as we have seen so often since the end of USSR? Her country, the now non-existent East Germany where she was youth activist, and which used to be the most loyal ally to Russia and its people was betrayed and her leader E. Honecker, handed over as a criminal. Nobody ever liked turncoats and traitors. https://www.dw.com/en/ex-east-germany-leader-erich-honeckers-arrest-25-years-on/a-39886159comment image

AleK

She backstabbed and betrayed her mentor Helmut Kohl, I doubt she cares much for DDR….. although she looks kind of cute there :D

cechas vodobenikov

confusing lying backstabbing amerikans w Russians; Germany has been a veritable colony of the US since 1945—-the German left wing—die linke only exists in former DDR

rightiswrong rightiswrong

Either the Russians are the worlds worst assassins, or the West are the worlds worst liars.

Take your pick, BUT remember that Trotsky was no bother for the Russians, while the world still waits for the WMDs in Iraq to appear.

swedish_viking

Port downed is at it again.
Why would Russia poisoned Navalny like a James Bond villain and then let him be sent to Germany?
Why haven’t we heard of anyone else being exposed to novichok from the airport or the airplane?
Why doesn’t people die short after being exposed to Novichok?
How can someone survive or be kept alive without special treatment and a non timely treatment?
When the Kim Jong-un brother Kim Jong-nam was killed with the brittish nerve agent VX he died very shortly after exposure.

cechas vodobenikov

Ostrogorski observed that only in the US were politically parties devoid of principles, except money…He wrote, “of all peoples in an advanced stage of economic development amerikans r least accessible to long views, always and everywhere in a hurry to get rich they give no thought to remote consequences—they see only present advantages….amerikans do not remember, amerikans do not feel: amerikans live in a materialist dream”. these money worshipping sexually repressed puritans are now destroying their own nation—-these idiot actually believe that BLM looting and vandalism has political content—these duraks now ensure trump a 2nd term

cechas vodobenikov

anyone that believes the CIA created stupidity has no memory…..when a Russian diplomat was kidnapped, murdered in Lebanon 30 years ago, the GRU kidnapped the leaders son, severed a testicle and sent it to their president by messenger—they received the message

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