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‘This Is Done Deal’: Turkey Rejects US Ultimatum Over S-400 Purchase

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'This Is Done Deal': Turkey Rejects US Ultimatum Over S-400 Purchase

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On April 1st, the US officially stopped the delivery of F-35 fighter jets to Turkey over the purchase of S-400 from Russia.

“The United States has been clear that Turkey’s acquisition of the S-400 is unacceptable,” said acting Pentagon spokesman Charles Summers Jr. “Until they forgo delivery of the S-400, the United States has suspended deliveries and activities associated with the stand-up of Turkey’s F-35 operational capability. Should Turkey procure the S-400, their continued participation in the F-35 program is at risk.”

Earlier, during a US Senate Armed Services Committee hearing in February, US Army General Curtis Scaparrotti, European Command commander and NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe, said that he would recommend that the US should not sell the F-35 to Turkey if it acquired the S-400.

“My best military advice would be that we don’t then follow through with the F-35, flying it or working with an ally that’s working with Russian systems, particularly air defense systems,” Scaparrotti said.

On April 2nd, US President Donald Trump’s nominee for head of NATO and EUCOM U.S. Air Force Lieutenant General Tod Wolters repeated those remarks.

“I concur with this committee’s belief that the S-400 and the F-35 are not compatible, and if Turkey proceeds down a path to procure and operate the S-400, they should not get the F-35,” Wolters said, adding that “it’s absolutely unsustainable to support co-location of an F-35 and S-400.”

Also on the same day, the US Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said he was confident that Turkey would drop its plan to purchase the S-400 and buy the US Patriot system instead.

“I’ve had a number of conversations with Defense Minister Akar and I really think we’ll resolve this situation with our strategic partners,” he said. “I am very confident in the Patriot proposal that we’ve delivered to Turkey, its availability, it’s pricing, and very importantly, the industrial participation that comes along with the Patriot system.”

In answer, on April 3rd, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said that Donald Trump could “take care” of the F-35 and S-400 issue.

“Turkey doesn’t have to choose between Russia and any others, and we don’t see our relationship with Russia as an alternative to others,” he said. “Nobody, neither West nor Russia, should ask us to choose.”

He also denied any possibility to terminate the S-400 deal. “It’s a done deal,” Çavuşoğlu said. “This is a done deal.”

Çavuşoğlu, regarding the block of the F-35 fighter jets delivery said that “we are a part of this program. It should be that simple.” He expressed a belief that the F-35 sales will eventually turn back on, noting “different statements are coming from different institutions of the United States as well… different and contradictory statements are coming.”

Çavuşoğlu on March 29th, also said that Turkey was committed to the S-400 deal.

“As a principle, it is contrary to international laws for a third country to oppose an agreement between two countries,” Cavusoglu said. “We are committed to this agreement. There can be no such thing as selling to a third country. We are buying them for our own needs.”

Cavusoglu also insisted Turkey had met all of its obligations concerning the F-35 program.

In an article, the National Interest alleged that the Russian S-400 could potentially down a F-35, due to a leak of information – be it due to Turkey providing it or by Russia exploiting vulnerabilities in software.

“Pending an unequivocal Turkish decision to forgo delivery of the S-400, deliveries and activities associated with the stand-up of Turkey’s F-35 operational capability have been suspended while our dialogue on this important matter continues with Turkey,” Lt. Col. Mike Andrews said. “We very much regret the current situation facing our F-35 partnership, but the DOD is taking prudent steps to protect the shared investments made in our critical technology.”

“The U.S. continues to warn Turkey of the negative consequences of its announced procurement of the S-400. We have, however, been clear that the acquisition of the S-400 is not compatible with the F-35 and Turkey’s continued participation in the F-35 program is at risk,” Andrews said.

Additionally, the ban on the delivery of the F-35 to Turkey creates the possibility of it concluding even more deals for Russian weapons.

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  • henry_sk

    Of course, they are aware of Turkey can test F35 against S400, to help improve it…

    • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

      The F-22 and F-35 are already 100% immune and invisible to S-400 radars and ALL other air defense radars that exist

      • henry_sk

        Hey, you stated at other post that S-400 can detect these planes…

        • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

          yeah at ONLY 20KM away! F-35 and F-22 can target enemy air defenses from over 100km away!

          • henry_sk

            Stealth technology is wavelength dependent and in the case of the F22 or F35 they are quite invisible in the X and C bands. these UHF frequencies are used for high resolution target acquisition however they stand out the same as a F15 at long wavelengths.S300 and S400 use long wavelengths as well.

          • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

            S-400 if reverse engineered can possibly seek out F-35 weakness. Right now, F-35 and F-22 have COMPLETE 100% superiority over S-400

      • Thomas Simeon

        Lol if the F 35 is so powerful why do they have a problem if it comes face to face with S 400 😂 because the Russian system can prove just how useless stealth aircraft are. Just like how a Soviet era air defence platform shot down the U.S. first stealth aircraft.

        • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

          The F-117 got shot down because it opened it’s bomb bay doors. Otherwise it’s completely invisible to outdated 1960’s S-125 radars :)

          • henry_sk

            that was not a complex answer :-)

          • Thomas Simeon

            Go and watch the pilots interview. He said he dropped the bombs and cleared the area a few minutes later his lock on radar warning came on. So your saying that whole time he was flying with an open hatch? The plane was shot down because Russia that time integrated Serbia’s old Soviet era air defence platforms. Stealth Aircraft are useless against integrated air defence platforms.

      • You can call me Al

        Here are facts.

        F-22 -> A bullet hole in the fuselage will take a F-22 down (but yes, pretty powerful things attacking Countries with no air defence).

        F-35 -> The onlyone I know of in battle, was the Israeli one that got damaged beyond repair by a Syrian S-200 (officially struck by a flock of birds).

        US’s only claim to fame is winning the war in Grenada.

        • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

          IAF used F-35s to strike Aleppo last week.
          Syrian S-300’s were ACTIVATED and FAILED to shoot down the F-35s.
          Radar signature wasn’t adequate for a missile lock
          And F-35 electronic warfare was too advanced and evaded the missile
          And you think a 1950’s era S-200 can hit an F-35? Lol don;’t kid yourself. Birds cause some serious damage to planes. A lot more than S-300s let alone S-200s :D

          • henry_sk

            S300 is weak against F22 and F35, but S400 is much improved. Why do you think is US so frightened to have Turkey combined S400 and F35 in their arsenal?

          • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

            because S400 can exploit F-35 weakness. F-35 and F-22 are already protected and invisible to the S-400

  • TiredOfBsToo

    Are the EU vassals paying attention? They should observe how sovereign states behave in their own interests vs doing everything their master, the US, tells them to do. Observe Turkey defending it’s sovereignty against US dictates while it honors it’s commitment to purchase the S400. Pay attention EU, you could learn how to break those chains of slavery currently binding you.

    • Barba_Papa

      They don’t think they will be next. Because A: like a battered housewife they still think that if they play nice their big abusive US husband won’t beat them. And B: they think, and they have a point in that, that Erdogan brought this on onto himself with his erratic behavior. There is zero love in all of Europe, except for the Turkish diaspora, for Erdogan,

      • Brother Ma

        The Turks are the world’s spoilers like the Albanians and Kurds. All three have been troublemakers for centuries , the latter two more so since becoming Moslems.

      • TiredOfBsToo

        It seems some EU states are beginning to wake up…. Italy for example defies the US and joins the belt&road initiative. Also, Germany will complete it’s pipeline while Mercedes is opening a plant in Russia. Perhaps more German businesses will open in Russia in the near future and, after being sanctioned by the US, they may even refuse to do business in the US…. it’s a much bigger market outside of the US and doesn’t come with dictates.

  • Real Anti-Racist Action

    Russian thinking:
    S-400’s for a NATO country that shoots down Russian plane and that no one is even bombing.
    S-300’s for a nation being actively bombed by F-35i’s and F-16i’s.
    Should the brain who thought this up be switched back right side up?

    I think CIA has infiltrated Russia, and it is the paper pusher in Russia who said “yes sell S-400’s to NATO” and also said “No S-400’s to our greatest Ally Syria who is being actively reduced to rubble from air strikes”

  • PZIVJ

    “Additionally, the ban on the delivery of the F-35 to Turkey creates the possibility of it concluding even more deals for Russian weapons.”
    Hmm, perhaps a future SU purchase to fill the gap.

    • RGtz98

      They did say before that they would just buy SU-35’s if the F-35 wans’t given , lol

      • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

        Last time I checked, SU-35 aren’t stealth. And can be detected by an F-35 long before it can even blink

        • Concrete Mike

          You know damn well su35 can see f22, resume being a cheerleader wraith

          • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

            a cheerleader? My pinky finger could beat you in an arm wrestling war. Go pump some iron, or should I say “concrete”, you twerp

          • Concrete Mike

            Why yes we pumped some concrete yesterday as you know, were in the concrete business…pumps are good.

            Are you sure challenging a guy that slings concrete for a living to an arm wrestling match is a good idea??

            Let me.handle the concrete you can handle the cheerleading.

            Thats fair right? Setting limits?

  • RichardD

    This type of alternative to the Jew world order crime syndicate led by Israel and Jewmerica needs to continue. The US needs to outlaw Judaism, dejudify the US, and free the American people from this evil pedophile mass rape cult and criminal organization.

  • Uwe

    The russians will eventualy put hand on a piece of F35 and test it as would they like. This happen all the time and it is a matter of time. Viceversa is valid for S-400. The real reason for this reaction is the balance of power in the region and not for US as much for Israel. Turkey seem to play on two heads.

  • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

    Turkey’s loss :) They wont get hundreds of state of the art, radar invisible F-35 stealth fighters. Instead they’ll be stuck with the S-400 which CANNOT target stealth, and an airforce without the F-35

    • Brother Ma

      Who cares? Stealth can be targeted with other means and F35 are useless. Russia already knows all about F35 as there have been leaks of it in an Australian F35 part manufacturing facility years ago.cgina also knew all about US planes from spies .

      • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

        Then how come Syrian S-300’s were activated yet FAILED to shoot down Israeli F-35s over Aleppo last week? How come S-400 haven’t been able to detect American F-22s or IAF F-35s operating freely over Syria?

    • zman

      Maybe they decided they didn’t want to buy a flying brick…especially a very overpriced one. The US has their tit in a ringer because Turkey leaving the program will delay future F-35 production for nearly 2 years while they try to replace the HUD that Turkey makes. TFB. The Zios must be worried for sure or you wouldn’t be here spreading your manure.

  • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

    S-400 radars for the most part CANNOT detect F-22, F-35, and B-2 bombers.
    F-22 can ONLY be detected by S-400 15km (7 miles) away (RCS of 0.0001 m^2)
    F-35 can ONLY be detected by S-400 28km (20 miles) away (RCS of 0.001 m^2)
    B-2 Bomber can only be detected by S-400 12km (4 miles) away (RCS of 0.0001 m^2)
    And the F-35 can hit targets at 100+ km away. Guess who wins? Stealth technology

    • Brother Ma

      Russian planes can fire on targets from 100km as well. Who cares?

      • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

        My point is B-2s and F-35s would never get within 20km of S-300s or S-400s because they NEVER need to. They’ll be safe at a further distance and effectively deliver their weapons at enemy targets without being endangered by enemy airdefense

  • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

    US Military is unparalleled and unmatched in air superiority thanks to stealth technology – notable the F-22 and F-35. -They can fly in ENEMY AIRSPACE without ever being undetected -They can target enemies from 100+ km away

    • You can call me Al

      Listen you gormless troll who decided to re-invent himself, you are a ZIO-US bot. Now be off home and get an upgrade.

      • Jacob “Wraith” Wohl

        I observe world events and rationally comment on them. Something anti-semites can’t seem to do

    • zman

      Why is it you sound like the poster douchebag? Are you related or do you just work out of the same basement?

  • verner

    turkey’s decision to stand by the purchase of the S-400 missile defense is a game-changer of such proportions that moronistan (aka usa) is reeling and the stupidity coming out of the ears and mouths of the criminally insane and corrupt junta in washington dc can’t be undone. turkey, sitting on the fence, knows it will have the russian su35 if the morons turn off the tap for the f35 and if the morons relent on the f35 issue, the world will know moronistan is a soft touch and can be made to do whatever. and this is a so called world power, what a larf. they will soon be back home after all these snafus which have become their par for the course. what a joke they are!