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OCTOBER 2022

The West Is Abandoning Ukraine

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The West Is Abandoning Ukraine

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Written by Eric Zuesse

On July 7th, Bloomberg News headlined “EU Bureaucracy Seen Blocking 1.5 Billion-Euro Loan to Ukraine”, and reported that, “The executive arm of the European Union is blocking a 1.5 billion-euro ($1.5 billion) loan for Ukraine as caution prevails over the country’s urgent needs, according to officials.”

America alone has donated and loaned, during this year, $54 billion to Ukraine, mostly for U.S.-made weapons, which have been rushed there from existing U.S. stockpiles, which stockpiles will need to be restocked with new weapons-orders from firms such as Lockheed Martin, whose corporate stock value is up 12% thus far this year. However, this is a mid-term election-year in America, and inflation is already running against political incumbents, especially Democratic Party ones. On June 10th, the AP bannered “US inflation at new 40-year high”, and reported that “Consumer prices surged 8.6% last month from a year earlier.” Already, on May 20th, the AP had bannered “War fuels surging prices in Europe” and reported that “The war has accelerated inflation across Europe and the world, with prices for energy, materials and food surging at rates not seen for decades. It’s causing sticker shock at the grocery store, gas pumps, electricity bills and construction sites.”

A new loan of $1.5B to Ukraine being turned down means that any larger loan by the EU to Ukraine will now be impossible. For the U.S. Government to jump in and fill the mounting voids in Ukraine would be virtually impossible, under present political conditions. However, unless those voids become somehow filled, what are the prospects for The West to win its war in Ukraine, against Russia?

The West (U.S. and its allies) is becoming terrified at how deep a financial hole Ukraine has cost it, and so is now stopping to lend it more money. That’s sudden.

I wrote today to a friend who ardently supports Ukraine in this war:

Should The West now invade Russia in order to prevent the collapse of Ukraine? What do you, who condemn Russia and support Ukraine in this war, propose that Western ‘democracies’ now do?

You support NATO/U.S.’s January 7th decision to ignore Putin’s long-repeated (and as-of 17 December 2021, formal) demands for NATO to roll itself back to its 1991 borders like it had many times promised to Gorbachev that it would permanently remain (move “not one inch eastward”), and you also support Obama’s February 2014 coup to grab Ukraine (the part of Russia’s border that’s the nearest to Moscow) to add Ukraine to EU and then to NATO for U.S. missiles ultimately to become placed there, a five-minute flight-time away from blitz-attacking Moscow; but should Biden and company now invade Russia because Russia will no longer tolerate this — Putin’s saying that these “provocations” have gone too far and he’ll no longer tolerate it? Is that what you would do, if you were Biden & co.? What do you think the ‘democrat’ Biden should do, now? I would like to know your view regarding this very-much-real-world, here-and-now, practical problem.

He responded: “I no longer want to talk about Ukraine. … So let’s just put this behind us.” I think it’s instead a question that everybody should be thinking about, now, because it’s very much in front of us — all of us — no matter how much a person wants to retain existing prejudices. Ignoring Russia’s essential national-security needs has already cost the world (except for weapons-makers) a lot (and might now cost Ukrainians everything), and will cost everyone vastly more if it doesn’t stop soon. What U.S./NATO did on January 7th is turning out to have been disastrous for virtually everyone.

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Retired Troll

The west is bankrupt and short of mutually assured nuclear destruction, there is not much else the NATO loser faggots can do. Western sheeple will freeze this winter and have Sri Lanka type riots and revolutions. The Ukie Nazis and Jew criminals simply are not worth it. Ukraine is Russian land and will remain so.

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Wanax

Man, you really need help…

diagnosis

No help for you braindead moron, just go die already.

NATO's PROXYTUTE

Reality is setting in which EU has denied for quite some time trying to please the deepstate masters in DC, however it’s always better to be late than never. Its just sad to know the consequential sufferings inflicted on every corner of the globe where people only wish to live in peace and harmony.

Bigg Chungus

Americans will forget Ukraine, for to them it is not a real land with real people. It’s the news cycle’s flavor of the month, another medium through which Americans can express their deranged opinions about the world. But the consequences are destroying the lives of millions and sending 600.000 sq. km of the world straight to Hell.

Ukraine was destroyed by their own trust in America, and it will take years for the world to even see the true extent of the damage.

– – – Zа победу – – –

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Hann

Well said

War

US has been killing million of innocent peoples in the middle east lol.

Kyteman

People are getting weary with the war here in the UK. Boris is on the sacrificial altar of his own making. The media is painting this a purely domestic picture. I feel they are distancing themselves before Ukraine collapses completely. Reporting by omission is the way western media operates now. Those that stood with Ukraine are realising that they have backed a corrupt, losing horse and Russia appears to be winning big.

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Fake

Dead on Kyteman, for Russia to win the Ukrainian government has to collapse. But that is a limited window of time. If Ukraine can hold on for 6 months I believe the odds will turn in their favor because of NATO training and equipment.

StormCloudsGathering

Fake Disagree completely, Ukraine is in a permanent debt trap in which they’ll never be able to pay back, there’s no conceivable scenario in which they claw back all of the territory they lost, Russia up to this point has still been holding back, if Ukraine gets heavier weaponry from NATO we’ll see Russia bombing Kyiv and becoming more hawkish and aggressive towards Ukraine than what they’ve already done, some of the cities and regions Russia took from Ukraine so far are set to hold a referendum to vote to join Russia. There’s no path to “victory” here for Ukraine as you seem to imply.

Fake

There is no path to victory for Ukraine within this window of time. Russia was brilliant to act when they did but the moment is changing. Ukrainian troops are being trained and equipped in NATO countries currently. In three months they will be on the field. Russia will have to escalate. Drawing Russian into a Ukrainian war was the CIAs plan to begin with. NATO can spend money on whatever it wants and their citizens don’t care. If they spend enough I don’t know how Russia can win. The challenges to Russia get more and more severe as time goes by. I agree with you about the debt trap of Ukraine but try to picture what this war looks like in two years time.

StormCloudsGathering

Fake You said “If they spend enough I don’t know how Russia can win” As long as the Russians can develop appropriate countermeasures it might be better for them to draw this out a bit. Russian equipment is significantly cheaper for similar specsheets so even where they do have to trade it’s not an economic loss for the Russians especially against all these shiny modern missiles NATO is dumping into Ukraine, NATO is similarly paying an economic price in many fields that Russia can be selfsufficient in if they aren’t already.

I would prefer, if this is drawn out, for it to be done away from the cities but this is an ideal opportunity to drain the west of their economic, military and human resources while simultaneously gaining real world wartime experience, first hand feedback on military equipment and a better idea of how much the Russian military needs to spend (both in financial and material terms) to maintain a war which will better inform the military budget going forwards, I would not be surprised if there is a fairly significant shift towards expanding and maintaining ammunition stocks and related logistics in the near future. If Russia escalates by sending more troops, bombing Kyiv ect……. won’t the rate that they’re taking territory from Ukraine be sped up? The only thing this scenario does prove is that Russia’s “Special Military Operation” to demilitarize Ukraine didn’t work and that they’ll need a larger chunk of their army to get the job done, no matter which way you spin it, Ukraine is fucked in the long run.

Fake

I agree with everything you said. Russia is learning a lot about the West but that goes both ways and NATO is learning about its adversaries too. When China attacks Taiwan (Burma if I was Xi, but too bad) There won’t be a boycott because that didn’t work. There won’t be a media blitz because the MSM sucks at its job. There will be troop training, lend lease agreements, satellite imaging information sharing, spec ops in the field, targeted strikes on enemy generals in the field. I also believe Ukraine is fucked but remember the old saying about the British empire. “The British never won a war in which they did not lose the first battle”

Eric Zuesse

For Russia, this war is not against Ukraine; it is against America, which is determined to conquer Russia and has been so ever since 25 July 1945, without let-up, ever since then.

For America, this war isn’t for Ukraine; it is against Russia and has been so ever since it started shortly after America overthrew by means of a coup Ukraine’s democratically elected President, in February 2014; this war in Ukraine is, by America’s choice, the first hot-war battlefield of WW III — and, even if you might possibly be correct that “The British never won a war in which they did not lose the first battle,” the only way that America might conceivably ‘win’ this war, WW III, after losing this war’s first battle would be by initiating an all-out nuclear phase of the war, which would destroy all nations and produce for America, at best, a very pyrrhic ‘victory’ over a very doomed planet.

Consequently, “Fake,” your analogy wouldn’t be applicable in this case, even IF the allegation upon which you stated it is accurate (about which question I venture no opinion).

Though no one can say whether the rulers of America want hegemony over this entire planet even if destroying the entire planet would be the price to be paid for that ‘victory’, I do believe that Russia will do whatever will be necessary for it to do in order to maintain its national sovereignty over itself, its own land. They won’t want to destroy the entire planet in order to protect their sovereignty, but, if that would be the price to pay for not becoming yet another U.S.-vassal nation, I think that they would be willing to pay, and to exact, that price. THAT is why I believe that Russia will win, and that America is likelier to back down than Russia is.

Florian Geyer

The British failed in the Balaclava campaign to loot Russia.

The second cunning British plan to loot RUSSIA, called Operation Unthinkable, was aborted in 1945/46.

So, this being the case, Britain HAS lost the 1st military attack on Russia. :)

Slave Rossiya.

The Objective

Don’t be ridiculous. They are conscripting disabled people and consider conscripting women. In 6 months there will be no one left in ukraine left to fight.

Fake

What about the Ukrainian refugees? The western nations could send the men back. War puts all options on the table. Russia used the element of surprise expertly but that only works for awhile. The disabled conscripts are just placeholders until real troops arrive. Real troops will arrive if NATO wants them to. Russia is trying to write the book on how to beat NATO. NATO is writing the book on how to defend itself. Someone very clever will win the war.

Yuri

moron fake—CIA trained idiot

Fake

Just a regular American yuri. The CIA is a group of Fags. The president is a pedophile who fucked his grand daughter in the shower. Can you type what I did about your president or about the security services of your country? If so please post them below.

Mike

Well said dude!

John

Most of thar 54 billion is now in Zelensky’s bank account . He must be one of the wealthiest pervs in the world right now, and getting ever richer.

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Wanax

Of cause one wouldn´t like to speak with such maniacs /hustlers like Zuesse about such an issue. The opinion of those like Zuesse (traitors) are clear and why bother further speaking /discuss ? Unless you get some sorte of money out of it, it is a waste of time.

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Hunter Biden

You are a waste: Wanax the Tampax Tampon from Joe’s butthole.

Diskcasehatter

UK and EU will do as USA tells them, USA will keep it going in the hope that Russia will be weakened. The fact that most of the world economies will be wrecked is seen more as an opportunity than a problem for disaster capitalism.

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TomSawyer

Hahaha, what BS russian propaganda again – the West can support Ukraine the next 200 years. In contrast, Russia’s economy is already struggling and will be collapsing if sanctions continue. Soon, not even russian airlines will be to fly in Russia, because no spare parts are available. And without western help, Russia can’t even produce gas or oil 😆😆😆

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Yuri

Tommy sucker —I am enjoying your humiliation…Russia economy growing thanks to moron sanctions—US contracted 8%, expected full recession your desperation at south front is an entertainment for many

tommy sawyer lgbt clinic intake

Tommy has suffered ptsd relapse; after Russian domination proven Tommy was subjected to repeated rape in crack house. we provide him diapers and bus tokens. Tommy traded his 1972 hillbilly truck for crack cocaine since dealer only accepts roubles.

Fake

Hi Yuri, I live in USA and the economy didn’t contract 8%. Everyone I know is getting pay raises. The cost of gas sucks but thanks to this thing called the internet we work from home so it’s not an issue. To buy a nice TV subscription costs $400 US dollars in my country. How much is $400 USD worth where you live?

Williams

What part of the U.S you’re living at? Nobody is getting any pay raises here on the east coast gtfo with that fake bullshit 🤣🤣🤣 All we get is high gas and food prices, rising housing prices and the crime rate is skyrocketing. Lol getting pay raises for what? Working at a psychopathic military arms company that makes profits off of war or what?

Fake

Have you switched companies yet? That’s where you get the pay increase is going to a new company and doing the same job. If you aren’t switching every 3-4 years you are falling behind. I have friends in fly over country getting 30% raises when they switch.

TomB.

you trolling moron, millions of americans homeless, 50 million without health insurency and due to hig inflation daily worse and worse.

Fake

I’m not a troll Tommy, just a dude that sees what he sees. There will always be poor people, even Jesus says that. The West has the greatest standard of living the world has ever known.

https://dqydj.com/net-worth-percentile-calculator-united-states/

Type your net worth into the calculator and see how you stack up against average Americans.

name

You are Fake. Nobody living in US says US dollars. And what the heck is a tv subscription? 😳. And why would you pay 400 ( US) dollars for it?

BTW, everybody I know got less than 4 % pay raise and I am paying at least 20% more at Kroger. But sure, the economy did not contract 8% , whatever that means 🙄.

Yuri

did the crack. help your PTSD?

TomB.

lol you total moron. russia is self suficcient, the largest and richest country at resources, with only 15% gdp debt and 800 billion in foreign currencies and gold. while the western countries debt at 100% gdp and a economy that would total crush in few weeks, if russia stops gas and oil sales.

War

The west look likely bankrupt in1-2years ,how they can supports Ukraine.

Yuri

inevitable—only the moron anglos will bankrupt themselves expose their impotence….time for popcorn

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Fake

The morons have spent 30 trillion dollars they don’t have and they aren’t bankrupt yet. What do you think the magic number will be?

Yuri

ukraine will soon be like an ugly US state—moron speculation by amerikan nazis at SF confirms for anyone that comprehends the Russian character that US has again humiliated themselves….the petty incompetents are now reduced to a fragmenting society of desperate incompetents… the anglo is easily understood—they believe civilized peoples share anglo traits—cowardice, stupidity, fear of death, greed, etc…when their bribes fail and resistance is felt they always slink back to their hillbilly ghettos

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Fake

Yuri, I love your zeal but we have to put it to use. How can Russia win if this war goes on for a long time? The Soviet Union was almost completely isolated and they made it work until they collapsed. Russia is becoming isolated again. I love watching world powers compete against each other but how will Russia continue two years from now?

TomB.

lol you moron. what isolation youre dreaming of? 70% of the worlds countries dont sanction russia and never will, and many of the 30% rest do that only due to pressure and blackmail from washington, london and bussels. russia will win this and every war in future, because its not only the largerst and richest country at resources worldwide, but also the one and only country in the world that is full self suficcient.

Fake

What percentage of the worlds governments are sanctioning the USA?

TomSawyer

😆😆😆

Tommy Jensen

“US Secretary Antony Blinken and NATO Secretary Jens Stoltenberg warned Russia of a “forceful” response to any further military intervention in Ukraine.”

This is still prevailing. If Russia go further and do not start to lay down all weapons and go home, all tools will be on the table for a “very very forceful” response, and Russia know the International Community can do it!

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L du Plessis

😂😂😂🏆 Putin!!!

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AlanWilliamovich

Agree completely, I find it hard to find anyone who wants to talk about Ukraine, yesterday even a Polish lady on a training course agreed that we should have given humanitarian aid only. Even the BBC has Ukraine as its fifth or sixth story only, and usually only one report on ‘heroic Ukranian soldiers fighting against the odds’. Very much looking like it has run its course, and UK aid will drop massively – unless the insane Liz Truss wins the tories leadership contest, God forbid.

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Z FOR VICTORY

The western clowns had almost exhausted themselves. Thete is only so much they can take from their already impoverished populations without them rebelling. They are indeed approaching their limits

I very much enjoy the humiliation of the Ukro-Nazi trolls and their propagandists. Long live Russia!!!

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