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The Saker: “Mr MAGA and the end of Western Civilization”


Written by The Saker; Originally appeared at The Unz Review

Folks in the West are taught that their civilization has its roots in ancient Rome and/or ancient Greece. This is more a case of self-aggrandizement than serious historical research.  While it is true that the city of Rome was sacked in 410AD, the Christian Roman civilization continued in the East for another 1000 years until 1453. The real roots of what we nowadays call the western civilization are to be traced back to the following time periods:

  1. Most ancient (theoretical) roots: the early Frankish Merovingian Kingdom (481–751) and Carolingian empire (751–843).
  2. Formative roots: the so-called “Holy Roman Empire” (800-1806) which was “Roman” only in name (this term appeared only in the XIIIth century; in French it is called more accurately “Saint-Empire romain germanique” but it really ought to be called the “Germanic Empire”, since it was neither “Roman” nor “Holy”).
  3. Modern (ideological) roots: Renaissance, French Revolution, WWI, WWII, Cold War.

But in practical terms, we can say that the western civilization emerged from the Middle-Ages (5th-15th centuries) or, even better, from the times of the Crusades (1095-1410).  Far from being the heir to the Roman Empire, the AngloZionist Empire is a direct descendant from the Franks and the civilization they built in the West on the ruins of the Christian Roman Empire.  When Muslims nowadays speak of “Western Crusaders” they are absolutely spot on.  The only difference between the original Crusaders and their modern descendants is that the former at least pretended to be Christians.  The latter wear their crass materialism as a badge of honor.

The Saker: "Mr MAGA and the end of Western Civilization"

The true birth of the Western Civilization

This civilization can be characterized by tremendous intellectual, technological and scientific achievement, arguably the most beautiful music ever composed (especially J.S. Bach) and many other artistic and architectural masterworks.  Alas, it also has a darker side: imperialism, racism, genocide, slavery, religious and political persecutions and, of course, two world wars. So that record is checkered, to put it mildly, but it cannot be denied that in spite of its sins and flaws, western civilization also brought the world an immense intellectual legacy which inspired people worldwide.  If you ask most western people what they associate with the western civilization they would probably name things like the scientific method, democracy, human rights, civil rights, the separation of powers, equality before the law, etc.  People from other civilizations might view the western civilization in a very different way, but we can ignore that for our purposes.  But what the so-called “collective West” (aka the AngloZionist Empire) is showing today is the exact opposite of what the West is supposed to stand for.  Here are just a few examples:

  1. International law: with the US/NATO aggression against the Serbian nation, a major feature of western civilization died: international law.  What began then with bombs on Serbian civilians in the Serbian Krajina and Bosnia continues today with the absolutely disgraceful “alignment” of the key western power and the diktat of the Anglosphere, be it on the Skripal false flag, the many chemical false flags in Syria or, most recently, the AngloZionist coup against the legitimate government of Venezuela.  The truth is that nobody gives a damn about international law in the AngloZionst Empire’s ruling class and that nowadays “might makes right”.
  2. Human rights: the sad and outrageous truth is that the West is currently backing a (completely illegal) Nazi regime in the Ukraine, a Takfiri regime in the KSA and a Zionist (and openly racist regime) in occupied Palestine.  All these regimes are mass violators of human rights and basic norms of civilized behavior.  Needless to say, the US does violate a huge number of international norms and conventions in human rights, labor rights, due process, civil rights, etc.  And we all know that the infamous Patriot Act was written even before the 9/11 false flag operation.
  3. Law of War and Geneva Conventions: same here, the US is gleefully ignoring many of the most sacred provisions of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions either by not ratifying parts of these instruments or by finding ways to circumvent them (think GITMO, Abu Ghraib, Bagram or even the many “black” CIA prisons located in various countries world-wide; think “extraordinary rendition” too, of course).  Likewise, the USA totally and unconditionally support the Uber-violator of all imaginable legal obligations: Israel
  4. Due process, especially evidentiary rules, have become a farce.  Anybody doubting that should look up the following names: “Sami al-Arian”, “Sibel Edmonds”, “Victor Bout”, “Anwar al-Awlaki” or even “Julian Assange”.  While nominally independent from the other branches of government, it appears that at least the main US courts are fully controlled by the Neocons and their Deep State.
  5. Respect for the political process: it is absolutely clear that the Clinton Gang never accepted the election of Trump as POTUS and by rejecting this outcome, or by trying to label Trump as a “Russian agent”, the AngloZionist leaders will never accept their defeat.  Hillary’s famous “basket of deplorables” comment is a perfect illustration of the immense contempt in which the AngloZionists hold the regular people of the USA.
  6. Open, competitive, markets.  It is pretty clear that the US has no use for open, competitive, markets and that the leaders of the Empire will use any and all methods to avoid an honest competition with the other countries, hence all the endless lists of sanctions, of threats against countries which might dare purchase non-US systems (the entire S-400 vs F-35 issue with Turkey is a perfect example).  When we look at western countries, especially the USA, we see what some call “crony capitalism” with absolutely fantastic levels of corruptions, huge mega-corporations in control of entire segments of the economy, exports imposed by sanctions and threat of sanctions rather than competitive advantages, feudal labor laws, a ruthless imperialist/colonial policy of systematically robbing those who dare to live above resources the Empire needs or wants.
  7. Respect for alliances and partnerships. The AngloZionist Empire has no allies – only vassal states, puppet regimes and comprador 5th columnists.  The US has always treated its so-called “allies” with utter contempt, but until Trump this contempt was hidden behind a thin veneer of diplomatic language.  With Trump, even that is long gone.

The list goes on and on, really.

On January 18th of last year I wrote an article entitled “The good news about the Trump Presidency: stupid can be good!” in which I tried to show that by his illiterate actions, Donald Trump was maybe not making “America” (should be the “USA” but nevermind that megalomania) great, but he sure was weakening the AngloZionist Empire.  But this is much bigger than just one narcissistic person,  What we are witnessing today is the agony of a civilization which has outlived itself and now that the Empire is in its dying throes I want to mention another good thing Trump did: he became the emperor who himself shouts “the king isn’t wearing anything at all!!” (in the original story, a child does that, but in this case, we have a “fused” “child-emperor” who does that himself).

What are the “clothes” which I am referring to?  Primarily what I would call the “Cold War cloak of imperial benevolence”.

Remember the Cold War?

There was the “Evil Empire” whose Commie-Red agents were about to take over the planet and stick everybody in a labor camp versus the (collective) “West”, which embodied the ideas of freedom, democracy, human rights, equality before the law, fairness, objectivity, economic prosperity, impartiality, tolerance, pluralism, etc. etc. etc.

Then, when Clinton became President and the Neocons finally openly and brazenly seized power, a good friend of mine spoke of a “grand coming out” which would be impossible to reverse.  He was right.  Not only are the Neocons now in total control of the Empire, but they have completely given up on any pretense of respectability.  I am not only referring to Gitmo and torture, or the obscene and unconditional support for the last openly racist country on the planet (aka “the only democracy in the Middle-East”) or, for that matter, a long string of completely illegal wars ranging from the wars against the Serbian nation in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.  Neither am I referring to the growing list of treaties, agreements and even organizations which the USA has abrogated, denounced or withdrawn from.  In fact, I am not even referring to the USA alone, but also to the so-called “friends and allies” of the Empire which can be described as “the collective West” or, maybe less charitable, the US colonies overseas.

When the Neocons finally came out and showed their true face, they did more than just affect the image of the USA abroad, they also gave a signal to their colonial administrators that all pretense of decency could now be dropped.  Force, brute force, was now the order of the day.  This is why Theresa May could spew out the most ridiculous and self-evidently stupid lies about the Skripals (or about Syria, for that matter) or Macron could ban RT from the Élysée and nobody would peep.  This is also why Poroshenko can safely declare that the Russian armed forces have invaded the Donbass or the EU can declare that the Russians are culprits in the recent Kerch bridge incident.

The Cold War forced the masters of the Empire to show a kind of “capitalism with a human face”.  That Cold War is over now, and there is no need to pretend anymore.

Will the almighty USA join the USSR on the trash-heaps of history?

Many Russians living in the West (such as Dmitri Orlov) have noted the numerous similarities between the late Soviet Union (especially the so-called “stagnation years”) and the modern USA .  I myself made such a list of similarities as far back as 2014 when I listed the following:

The Saker: "Mr MAGA and the end of Western Civilization"

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But even more crucial to the eventual fate of the USSR, I would argue, is the immense chasm between what the official ideology proclaims and what the ruling elites actually really do.  Speaking about the Ukraine, I wrote in 2014 that ” what the AngloZionists are openly and publicly defending in the Ukraine, is the polar opposite of what they are supposed to stand for.  That is an extremely dangerous thing to do for any regime and the AngloZionist Empire is no exception to that rule.  Empire often crumbles when their own people become disillusioned and disgusted with the massive discrepancy between what the ruling elites say and what they do and as a result, it is not so much that the Empire is faced with formidable enemies as it is the fact that nobody is willing to stand up – nevermind die – in defense of it.”.

The immense, mind-blowing, obscene hypocrisy of the Empire is not only revealed in its actions in the international arena or by the fact that the Empire does not shy away from allying itself with Zionists, Nazis, Takfiris and any other morally repugnant gang of thugs (see in Kosovo, for example) as long as these thugs are willing to act as the cannon fodder of the Empire.  The exact same mentality permeates every political action of the Neocons in internal politics too.

The Democratic Party especially, reached a new moral and ethical low when it invited Michael Cohen to testify before Congress even though the man is a convicted felon and liar and every word he would speak would be in total violation of the fundamental right of Donald Trump to keep his communications with his lawyer protected by the client-attorney relationship.  What is absolutely amazing is that it is Congress which is violating the civil rights of a standing US President, and yet very few observers seem to be outraged by such actions.

This outrage was just the latest in a long series of actions by Congress which show that Congress considers Donald Trump as a traitor and a thug and we can rest assured that the Democrats won’t stop until Trump is jailed.  The fact that he is the person chosen by the people of the USA to be their president does not seem to matter at all to the lynch-mob in Congress.

Again, what is so striking here is not only how the US elites are turning against each other (which is a sure symptom of a deep crisis), but also the fact that the open persecution of Trump by Congress and the Ziomedia does not even try to come up with some semi-credible explanation or semblance of respectability.  What we see is a lynch-mob which is determined to hang the man they have designated as the ultimate evil.

As for Mr MAGA himself, he is now busy calling Ann Coulter a “wacky nut job” to which she responded by calling Trump an “idiot” and that having him as a President is a “national emergency” (Rex Tillerson would agree with her on that!).

Nobody can predict how this struggle between the Neocons and the Clinton Gang on one hand and Trump on the other will play out, but my personal guess is that Trump is a disposable President: the Neocons will use him to do all the crazy shit they typically are known for, and when the inevitable disaster strikes, they will blame him, him alone, while hiding their own role in what took place.  This way Trump first gets to play shabbos-goy for the Neocons for a while, until they decide destroy him like Haman or Amalek (the fates of Saddam Hussein or Muammar Gaddafi immediately come to mind).  Mr MAGA himself clearly was never told that tob shebe goyyim harog.

A dictatorship of minorities next?

We are often told that in a real democracy minorities should be protected against abuse from the majority and, to some degree, this is true.   However, the primary function of any kind of real people-power is to protect the majority, the masses, from the abuse they typically suffer at the hand of various (and often federated) minorities.  Whether the Founding Fathers intended this or not, the sad reality today is that the US political system is structured in a way to primarily benefit minorities, financial or otherwise.  Hence the 1% meme popularized by Occupy Wall Street.  The following are some of the characteristics of the most typical minorities found in the USA (and elsewhere):

  1. They are typically far more aware of their minority identity/status than the majority. That is to say that if the majority is of skin color A and the minority of skin color B, this minority will be much more acutely aware of its skin color.
  2. They are typically much more driven and active then the majority. This is probably due to their more acute perception of being a minority.  Minorities themselves present their social success as a sign of intelligence, of course, even though in reality this is the direct result of a drive which representatives of the majority typically don’t exhibit.
  3. They are only concerned with single-issue politics, that single-issue being, of course, their own minority status.
  4. Since minorities are often unhappy with their minority-status, they are also often resentful of the majority.
  5. Since minorities are mostly preoccupied by their minority-status linked issues, they rarely pay attention to the ‘bigger picture’ and that, in turn, means that the political agenda of the minorities typically does not threaten the powers that be.
  6. Minorities often have a deep-seated inferiority complex towards the putatively more successful majority.
  7. Minorities often seek to identify other minorities with which they can ally themselves against the majority.

The reason why the Neocons and their Deep State love to support all types of minorities is very plain and simple: minorities and their (hyper narrow) political agenda represent absolutely no threat whatsoever to the real, hidden, powers which run the Empire.  Furthermore, minorities are extremely easy to manipulate.  Thus these various minorities represent the ideal power base for a party like the Democratic Party which can then use its control over minority (identity) politics in its struggle against the Republican Party.

Furthermore, if you look at that list of characteristics above, you will immediately recognize the kind of nutcases suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome which seems to chronically overcome Trump-haters.

What makes this situation particularly dangerous is that the Clinton propaganda machine (through the testimony of Mr Cohen) is now suggesting that Trump might not be willing to accept a defeat in the next elections.  I submit that the there is much bigger chance of seeing Trump win again and the Clinton gang trying to play a “Guaido” trick on Trump.  The screaming creature in this photo does not strike me as willing to accept that anybody but her own preferred candidate would occupy the White House.

Don’t get me wrong – screaming lesbians are funny, especially when they wear these pink “vagina hats”, but there is also a much more ominous aspect to their antics.  They are all based on a categorical rejection of the outcome of the electoral process and, which is even worse, a rejection of the “other”, in this case the “deplorable” who dared to vote his/her conscience and not simply obey the instructions of the Ziomedia.

The truth is that the level of ideological intolerance among the opponents of Trump is much, much, higher than among Trump supporters.  It is therefore only logical to assume that the potential for violence is much higher among the Trump-haters than it would be elsewhere. Right now all these folks are content with screaming, protesting and drinking every drop of Cool-Aid the Idiot Box delivers to them on a daily basis.  But once in power, this “coalition of minorities” will ruin the USA even faster than Trump did and whatever regime (as opposed to government or Administration) they put in power, will be a far cry from the worldwide Empire the USA attempted to build after WWII.

Conclusion: Quos Deus vult perdere prius dementat

What is taking place before our eyes is an amazing sight to behold: an Empire which is collapsing both internally and externally at an accelerating pace and the worse the Empire’s objective situation becomes, the more delusional and out of touch the Neocons and their Deep State appear to be.

Irrespective of all its flaws, mistakes and sins, it is sad to see how a civilization which gave the world the likes of Newton or Bach now rots away while being led by a gang of evil, arrogant, clowns.  There have been plenty of villains in the history of Europe, but never such a gang of clueless and yet fantastically arrogant rulers.  Just look at Trump, Macron or May – these are non-entities which pale in comparison to such leaders as Reagan, Mitterrand or even Margaret Thatcher (hardly a hero of mine, but the lady was smart, no doubt about that).

Now, with the likes of Pompeo in charge we can only pray that the losers running this dying Empire will not trigger a nuclear holocaust, whether by design or by sheer stupidity.



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  • gareththomasnz

    Arse – we speak roman

    ..ooh latin

    Also Muslims & Christians don’t get on because they have so much in common

  • Real Anti-Racist Action
  • “Empire often crumbles when their own people become disillusioned and disgusted with the massive discrepancy between what the ruling elites say and what they do”

    I always thought the real breaking point will come with our military. At some point, the guys coming home from Afghanistan, Ukraine, Iraq, and Syria will just get so disgusted with the mission that re-enlistments will drop and word will get out that we aren’t saving the world. Perhaps the number of troops we have engaged are so small because of our use of proxy forces we can keep that going forever.

    I have noticed that the Afghan. vets you see on FOX are gung-ho, their experiences are you go out on patrol, some guys come accross IEDs and they can’t wait for extract revenge. Pete Hegseth, and I don’t mean to put words in his mouth if I misunderstood him, sounded like he endorsed field executions of captured Taliban when they were doing a story on a guy who killed a bombmaker under murky circumstances.

  • Lazy Gamer

    Politics has always been the same interest driven policies. I am sure the kings and queens before have undergone the same problems, choices as to whether to find a colony, import slaves, look for markets/resources, look for allies, destabilize rivals. Religions would also seek to expand and in the process be used also in politics.
    The reason why most countries arent a one man show is because of the greek tradition. Civil society also stems from this. Rights come from them. Civil laws were first imitated from the romans. Organization, administration, learning were influenced also by these.

  • Tommy Jensen

    Conclusion: “What is taking place before our eyes is Western civilisation and Bach collapsing”. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f56c393eb2353bc939b5f9fa2b9adbdae1b90a3dccf35752017a15ada3c85c9.jpg

  • Miroslav Beran

    Brutal atrocities and horrendous lies will end faster, if all world and Mr. Saker will understand what was Khazaria Empire and what consequences are after their fall:

    13th Tribe – Arthur Koestler

    The Invention Of The Jewish People – Shlomo Sand


    • Jens Holm

      Actualy we learn that Mesopotamia and Egypt was the first ones and the agriculture comes from there.

      Many also know the Hamurabi Laws seemes to be the start for, whats later is written in the oldparts of our bibles.

      The rest is totally unimportant and like a fat dentist is fat by putting stones in the bread to whow his real ID. DNA as well as Haplogroups show how things are.

      You probatly cant see the difference between a hat and a cat Yourself.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars .

  • zman

    Not a bad article, but I have issues with some of his assumptions and conclusions. Of the 7 points he made, point 5 I find arguable. The contempt for voters showed long before this, does the author remember the election in 2000? This show we are seeing now is just political theater for the gullible that would think there really is a difference in parties. There is no difference, especially during gang warfare. The other 6 points are pretty accurate. His next assertion that the neocons openly seized power under Clinton holds only if you ignore the previous decade. Reagan gave us the path to complete corruption. That started before he was president, with the October surprise. Although Reagan may not have had anything to do with it (unlikely), still, this started in ernest during his reign. The whole Iran affair, invasions in Latin America, the total corruption of the FDA on the 2nd day of his admin and the largest budget and deficit in US history to that point…due to MIC sucking the treasury dry. This is the time when all pretenses were dropped and force became the order of the day. Grenada was the precedent setting event they hoped it would be, the blueprint for future subversion and military incursion. If the Clinton admin showed anything, it was the willingness to blatantly attack our own country and elevate the FF terrorism threat. The first attack on the WTC, OK City, Ruby Ridge and Waco are prime examples. His covert attack on our economy was the biggest hit on our country…NAFTA. The Serbian thing was just an extension of Reagan-esk policy.
    Trump has always been the disposable president, for obvious reasons. He is just as neocon as Clinton is, he’s just more Israel oriented. Show me where the differences are between Trump and Clinton regarding our true masters, Israel. There is no difference, except that they can use ‘crazy’ Trump to do what they have desired for some time.The same can be said about Trumps actions regarding Russia, Ukraine and Syria. But they needed a ‘crazy’ to get the ball rolling because ‘sane’ people wouldn’t do such things. This is the advantage of having Trump. He can be discounted as nuts, while they accomplish their goals. The author’s whole notion of the left fighting the right (there is no real left in the USA) is funny, as that is the scenario that is used in US politics as the instigator of division… where political stances are exaggerated to the point ridiculousness. Neocons are not out of touch with the people, they’re just totally indifferent to them. Trump may indeed win re-election in 2020, if his act continues to have value and use. If not, his departure can be handled many different ways…especially if it can be used politically. The assumption that Trump opposers are more ideologically intolerant than Trump supporters baffles me. Does this author ever read anything that comes from Trumps mouth? That of his supporters? “Just look at Trump, Macron or May – these are non-entities which pale in comparison to such leaders as Reagan, Mitterrand or even Margaret Thatcher”…got to agree on that. The bad part is that these are the ones that started us down this slippery slope. He ends his article mentioning Pompeo and the threat he poses. Pompeo is a neocon, along with the majority of Trump’s cabinet. Is this lost on him? Neocons are not fighting the deep state…they are it. Putting the neocons in power is fighting the deep state how? Another point lost on this author is that the Ziomedia was a great tool for the neocons…they used it to brand Trump as saviour, patriot and great businessman and most importantly the ‘underdog’…he is none of those. He’s just another tool in the neocon tool bag. I recall when Trump was running for president and this author held him out as a breath of fresh air, he would put a stop to the warring and Russia bashing and return control to the people. I told him then he was wrong, that Trump was a conman and a liar and could not be trusted. Seems he still ‘believes’. One would think after Syria, sanctions and Venezuela that reality would have set in.

    • 1691

      It’s almost a year since I stopped reading the saker, ron unz, paul c. roberts, satan-insky and their tribesmen and only read the comments. I do not want to be exposed to their propaganda. Enough of it.

      • zman

        Notice my comment that you replied to is now gone…it has been marked as spam. Glad you at least got to see it before it vanished. Thank you, disqus. I do still read these people, but I don’t feel obligated to believe all they say. Dissenting is one of my ‘bad’ habits. Strange how I question these same people.

        • 1691

          Ha ha ha. Why am I not surprised?! For quite awhile now I have been saying that SF has new masters.
          I appreciated your effort in making a concise and correct review of the events.
          As for the people I stopped reading- it’s not the ostrich syndrome. They use the platforms to manipulate us, to give us direction, to confuse us and you know it all when it comes to ‘the propaganda and its purpose in life’. I stopped reading them and I hope many will follow because we do not have to give them an opportunity to work on us against us. It’s like de-dollarization- the less we use it, the lesser its value. The less we read them -the lesser chance to give them power over our lives. I’ve had enough of such “analysis” and “opinions”.

          • zman

            I know what you mean. I couldn’t stand Jack Webb, but ‘just the facts, ma’am’ works for me. I like to think I’m able to draw my own conclusions. I don’t mind analysis(in a factual sense), in fact I welcome it, but I don’t need to be led…whether it’s down the garden path or elsewhere. Political analysis is a waste of time for sure. It’s simple, it’s all lies.

        • 1691

          You must take this as a badge of honor. You know how easy it is to mark a comment as spam or block someone.

          • zman

            I guess I’ll have to. I didn’t think I was out of line, so who did I piss off? I ought to just go to my profile and copy and paste it back on the board. I do know when they goes to spam hell, they don’t come back.

      • Boris Kazlov

        I do read them, disagree with Saker on religious views, love of art and other manifestations like music, cannot agree on his excessive admiration of Putin, all in all his forecast of downfall of Empire is spot on.

  • RichardD
  • 1691

    SF, the comment that you marked as spam should be restored. I am sure the Saker would enjoy responding to it personally. Thank you.

    • zman

      Thanks, but don’t hold your breath. They’ve been ”working on getting this corrected” on another couple of posts for 2weeks/2months. I’m not optimistic.

      • 1691

        Please, post it again on the saker’s site. You made an excellent observation. Let other people read it too.

        • zman

          I took your suggestion and did post it on his site. It’s way down at the bottom (#148?), so will likely not be seen much. At any rate, thanks for finding some value in my observations. You and several others (you probably know who) also bring important (to me)thoughts and observations to these boards. All are appreciated.

          • 1691

            Great! Thank you. Hopefully more people will read it and learn.
            Your comments have been a sign that the American society is not totally poisoned. This is a very positive message to the world. Thank you.

  • Tudor Miron

    Too shallow. Ignorance on Sakers part? I doubt it. More like deliberate desinformation and trying to hide the actual roots.

    • julot

      the saker repeatidlu shows he doesnt understand the
      center of the empire is not in the USA but in city of london, based on
      central banks + corrupt global intelligence network (as shown by
      russiagate which was initiated in london…). Not knowing the
      ennemy, how to make an analyse ?

      • Tudor Miron

        Yes, London city is one of their centers of “power concentration”. But not the main one. “”Actors” are in US, “film directors” are in London and scripts are produced in Switzerland”(c)

        • BMWA1

          And The Producers in Tel Aviv?

          • Tudor Miron

            No. Israel is just a tool in hands of global predictor. Tel Aviv is not in a position to rule anything. People should understand that higher rabinate doesn’t give a hoot about Jews. It is using them as “useful idiots” sinse that famous Sinai tour. Higher rabinate is always happy to periodically waste Jews in great numbers. Kissinger said that Israel would not exist by 2022. Kissinger represents higher rabinate.

        • Boris Kazlov

          Missed Israel.

    • Boris Kazlov

      Agree that the root of all evil is in Jews: Jesus Christ, Freud, Marx, Trotsky, are examples.
      However this is not the policy of Russian Federation, too soft on Israel.

  • Geoff Griffiths

    Unfortunately both Newton and Bach died in the 1700s. If we have no more recent examples of excellence then Western civilisation has all been a sham.

    • Sinbad2

      Modern day Bach’s would be Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.
      As for science Newton’s are very rare, even Einstein admired Newton.
      Tim Berners-Lea Steve Wozniak, Alan Turing all made contributions to science in recent times.

      The problem with our society is its focus on money, all the best mathematicians now work for the banks, to pay off the loans they took out get through uni?

      Money is the root of all evil, and the banks have all the money?

  • Redadmiral

    You really have to admire the saker how effortlessly he weaves distorted truth with propaganda and misinformation. I occasionally draw attention to the lies of msm, which SF repost here. Mostly my comments end up as “detected as spam” or “pending”. Other times I get “pingged” when I make what might be taken as an innocuous comment supporting the views of another

  • Hisham Saber

    Yes, the west believes that the method and model of the west today was brought about by the Greeks, largely.

    But in all actuality, the Islamic Golden Age, ( Wiki it) , which lasted about 1000 years brought about the modernization of the backwards , savage, ignorant Europeans of the Medieval Ages and the ages of ignorance which plagued Christendom.

    Islamic scientists created the ‘ scientific method ‘ , expanded, corrected, and added enormously to what the Greeks brought to the table. From astronomy, medical sciences, the science of numbers, mathematics, philosophy , political science, art, architecture all across the entire spectrum of learning.

    Crusaders who came back brought back with them chivalry, rule of law, gender equality , even spices for better foods and cooking, to how to keep hygienically clean. Yes folks, Islam was behind the Renaissance, where Islamic works were translated to Latin.

    Even in modern times, for example, women in Egypt were allowed to vote before they were in the U.S. and Britain.

    By todays western intellectualism will deny everything I have written. They now look at all things Islamic with disdain. But if today’s western scientists would get off their racist ignorance, they will discover miracles within the Quran, yes scientific miracles that are just now being discovered. With the Quran stating that ‘ Blackholes’ lead to other universes, a new school of though being picked up by todays greatest minds. One of which called for this was Stephen Hawking’s before he passed away.

    • Jens Holm

      Its incorrect we deny those things even some are biased because You have coiped parts of Your progress from India, Iran as well as the very impotant agriculture came from people being not muslims as well as arabs in mainly Mesopotamia and upstreams Eufrat and Tigris as well as a little later by Egypt.

      Many here fx knows Hammurabi as well.

      I see none of that kind of racisme. I see You since then hardly has invented anything. Thats where the things might be racisme.

      And here You forget, that that kind of racisme covered the whole world and not fx ME.down beyond to te Maoris in New Zealand. You also ignore we try to make race into a non used word, because it covers a period of science, which today in most parts are very much bealdered.

      A lot has changed, and You can see page for page written down as well as more and more detailed DNA and Haplo groups with maps. You even can order Your own test incicating well, where Your ancisters are related to.

      I am very interested in Archeology. Its the same thing about that. Many more search more and much better by high tech tools.

      I live in a sandy area covered with 500 years old sand from the sea. Until 20 years ago there hardly was any old fundings there, but now we can see 11-12 meter down as long as its relativly dry. By that we have found a lot old villages and hamleets and a lot of tools and even bridges and traps for catching fish. And if we add that up for the whole region, it was full of small farmers and not almost empty catching a fish here and there.

      We also know that the danes of today is not the same as they were just before the stoneage. Hunters did not become farmers learned from south. People from south came up here and took over almost all – in genetics as well.

  • daniel

    Mr Saker, Did you know/forget that FOX NEWS is Ziomedia?!

  • daniel

    RT is becoming more and more MSM,