Syrian Army Advances In Western Ghouta. Israel Responds With Shelling (Maps)

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Syrian Army Advances In Western Ghouta. Israel Responds With Shelling (Maps)

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On Saturday, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and the National Defense Forces (NDF) captured the hills of Sawadi, Fajr-1, Fajr-2, Namrud and Faransi between the villages of Kafr Hawr and Heeneh north of the town of Beit Jinn in the Western Ghouta region, according to pro-government sources.

Thus, government forces surrounded Kafr Hawr from the northern, western and southwestern directions.

The Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS)-linked news agency Iba’a reported that Syrian warplanes conducted several airstrikes on Kafr Hawr on Saturday. Another militant group, Jaysh al-Ababil, announced that it captured 3 SAA soldiers during the clashes around Kafr Hawr and Heeneh.

Syrian Army Advances In Western Ghouta. Israel Responds With Shelling (Maps)

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Israeli forces shelled a position of the SAA south of Hadar and 6km south of Beit Jinn, according to pro government sources.

The Israeli Army confirmed the attack and said that one of its battle tanks fired warning shots because the SAA was constructing a fortified position in the demilitarized zone in the Golan Heights.

The Israeli Army added that constructing fortifications in the demilitarized zone is a violation of the 1974 truce agreement between Israel and Syria.

The Syrian pro-government news website Muraselon said that the Israeli shell hit a wall in the SAA position and didn’t cause any damage.

On November 3, Israel was accused of supporting an attack of HTS on Hadar town. Local sources even accused Israel of opening a route for HTS fighters through its positions in the demilitarized zone.

Israeli forces are actively work against the SAA and its allies in southern Syria, conducting limited military actions and providing support to militants in the area. Thus, Tel Aviv hopes to oppose the growing influence of Iraq and Hezbollah in the region.

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  • Hezbollah_Iran

    So Zionist Israhell wants to be in War and no starts oficially to shell

  • Vince Dhimos

    “Providing support to militants.” Can someone get the message out to the “Christian” Zionists that Israel is threatening the lives of Syrian Christians? http://www.newsilkstrategies.com/culture/the-us-church-israel-first-christ-second

  • Garga

    Israel gotta protect it’s cannibal terrorists.
    What? You expect them to see their investment goes into the drain and do nothing? At least they reserve their right to panic!

    The funniest part is their justification: Violation of the 1974 truce agreement by SAA, by making a trench to fight terror groups, while at the same time Israel builds camps for the very same terrorists and fortifies occupied Golan to no end.

    • TiredOfBsToo

      “..Violation of the 1974 truce..”

      As if Israel abides by International Law… what a joke. I see two ways of eliminating terrorism in the ME, one is Israel, the other Saudi Arabia. Without those 2, no more proxy wars in the region!

  • alex spov

    A full blown all out real civil war In israHELL against zionists , not a staged proxy foreigners-terrorists’s from overseas abroad fake civil war as seen here in this infographic map article , a real civil war against zionists in israHELL to liberate arab Palestine from terrorists-zionists’s occupation is immenent underway !

  • andy l

    Israel is unbelievable – they shell SAA because of a breach of some obscure 1974 truce. What about the illegal occupation of the same territory for 50 years!!

  • Real Anti-Racist Action

    Why is the Israeli side of the Golan Heights not considered a demilitarized zone in the Golan Heights?
    Same double standards.
    Like when Jews say that ethnic indigenous Germanic tribes cannot have their ancestral home lands.
    But Jewish-bigots demand that they get their own and for their ethnic people.
    Poison, these people are poison. The only good Jews are the ones who admit that Jesus was murdered after being framed by Jews. And that Germany was in the right to protect the indigenous tribes from colonization.

  • Rüdiger Preiss

    As if Israel was concerned about the 1974 truce. Seriously.

    • Attrition47

      Zionist filth

  • Rob

    In the Golan Heights no army is allowed to stay because that is demilitarized zone but Israeli breaching the contract with Syria and UN and staying there in Golan Nights. Israeli terrorists forces are there in Golan Heights and have built permanent military bases and settlements.

  • Manuel Flores Escobar

    Hezbollah have defeated USA ( US marines lebanon 1982 vs Amal shia army), Israel, FSA, Al Qaeda and now ISIS!…

    • Whitehotanger!

      …not a defeat, a terror truck attack on a sleeping barracks, is hardly combat.
      Marines were forbidden from having clips in their weapons to defend themselves. The sentry was too late to stop the truck bomb that killed our Marines.
      A good ” black eye” I’ll grant that. But the following day, with the help of a US battleship, Marines took revenge!
      Semper Fi, maggots!

      • Brad Isherwood

        83 Strike on Lebanon – Hard Lessons for US
        WASHINGTON, Aug. 4— The only time the United States sent its bombers over Lebanon, as President Bush was reportedly prepared to do again this week, the mission ended in a fiasco, with two planes shot down and one damaged, one pilot killed and and one crewman captured, and little to show for the effort.

        The memory of that December 1983 raid, which came only six weeks after 241 American servicemen were killed in the bombing of their barracks in Beirut, remains vivid among senior officers in the Pentagon as they await the outcome of diplomatic efforts to end the current hostage crisis.

        The ill-fated Navy air attack on Dec. 4, 1983, was against Syrian anti-aircraft guns located around the village of Hammana, east of Beirut. It was launched in retaliation for Syrian anti-aircraft fire the day before against an American reconnaissance plane supporting the Marine
        peacekeeping force.
        *******

        This is our Ally?
        http://ariwatch.com/OurAlly/BeirutBombing.htm

        This is our Ally??

        • Moussa Saab

          An air strike against an anti-aircraft gun. The same as when Israel tried to destroy the S-200 in Syria.
          Cuz logic..

        • Vince Dhimos

          Yes, and the ba—rds that shot up the USS Liberty were our “allies” too, and they write US legislation: http://www.newsilkstrategies.com/news–analysis/a-foreign-power-writes-us-legislation-you-ok-with-that

          • Brad Isherwood

            Yes indeed…..The DC Beltway/Wallstreet Lobby groups are in majority run by that
            Evil Tribe….
            Politicians/Public admin/Military who are used by them move on to Corporation/Lobby groups…..who manipulate Nations/global directions.
            Since 1913 when the Illegal Jeckyl Island Federal Reserve coup’d America,
            The Bankers have pushed Wars and Global Socialism.
            The only way out is that the US military turn against them and restore the Nation to the
            Constitution.
            The Jews have been booted out of nations some 85 times in documented history.
            Forbade to hold public/political office….
            England Kicked them out……Dutch Bankers ( Secret Jews)…schemed/loaned money to
            Oliver Cromwell to allow the Jews back into England.
            By the way…….John Adam’s during the American Revolutionary war – was entangled by
            The Amsterdam Bankers who loaned Washington’s Army and Congress money
            To fund the war against England.
            Jewish Bankers. …already on the move to get access into the new nations direction.

          • Whitehotanger!

            I read the account of the Liberty. I was in the service at the time. My dad told me not to join up to fight for the Jews.
            I now understand what he was saying. Sorry dad…

      • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

        So, what is like to get thrashed by a bunch of Afghan tribals?
        Careful about the illegal occupation of Syrian lands or there will be more such US deaths.

        • Whitehotanger!

          No argument there, chum.
          I don’t want another US soldier’s life wasted nation building for a bunch of backward goat humpers.
          As for Syria, I voted for Trump to get us the hell out of Syria, and all foreign wars.
          US out of everywhere!
          Bring the boys home.
          Take care of our own house.

          • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

            Agree 100%. Shame Trump has now surrendered to the warmongers.
            I thought his victory was a new dawn for sanity. Looks like I was wrong.

          • Vince Dhimos

            We could have known which side he was on when he repeated during his campaign that “Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terror.” That meme is made in Israel.

          • Vince Dhimos

            Well, Mattis says the US bases will stay put until the Geneva Conference is over. He claims the UN supports this but it does not.

          • Vince Dhimos

            The problem is, Trump never intended to get out of Syria. If he had been for peace, he would not have chosen Mattis to lead the Pentagon. Mattis wants to keep up the illegal US invasion after the hostilities are over.

      • nwoecb

        Instead of going to fight and die in the Middle East for the defence and love of Zionism, it would be better that you spend all your energy on defending the European race from mass immigration in Europe and USA. Frankly I am sick and tired of seeing white people die for Israel be it in WW1, WW2, Middle East wars, Ukraine etc.

        • Whitehotanger!

          I agree with you one million percent!
          America was a free and peaceful country before we got into other people’s affairs.
          There is a need to protect sea lanes and interests, and citizens, but we have lost our best and brightest in wars for England and Zionism. Bring the boys back home! Put them on the borders.

    • Garga

      Manuel, Hezbollah did not bomb the marine barracks. There’s nothing to link them to this terror attack.
      Somebody took responsibility of bombing for a group named “Islamic Jihad” by a phone call. No one ever heard anything from this group before and after the incident.

      Gluing this bombing to Hezbollah (decided in 2003) is the ONLY justification the US has to call Hezbollah a terror group, be ware not to fall into this trap.

      However, the DID defeat Israel, ISIS, AQ and FSA.

      • Vince Dhimos

        I kind of think Hezbollah did not exist yet at that time.

        • Garga

          Hezbollah was formed in 1985, bombing was 3 years before that.

          • Moussa Saab

            I thought it was formed in 1982

          • Garga

            That’s the power of propaganda right there Moussa. They blame Hezbollah for 1982 bombing of US marine barracks, so they need all kinds of twists to say it was formed before that date.
            Notice that there’s no reference to Hezbollah’s website in none of the pages related to it in Wikipedia.
            Hezbollah’s website:
            https://www.moqawama.org/

            I trust you read Arabic?

  • gustavo

    ¿ And Russia ? Just watching the show with its radars, drums, planes, and satellites.

    • RichardD

      Can you war game your scenario out of how you’d use Russian capability differently than it’s being used, and how the likely escalation would play out?

      • Brad Isherwood

        Ya…..Russia sent a fax to Poroshenko that Crimea is ours….so bugger off.

        No…..Putin moved quickly with resolve. …the Russian military movement Rocked Nato and
        US.
        Drunken Ukronazi never had a chance.

        Donbass, Syria, Serbia…..life is tough……deal with it.

        Question. ….which expenditure in huge financial/logistic volume would have markedly changed the course of the Syrian conflict.
        Steam up the old Russian carrier,run some opps,lose 2 combat aircraft,
        Or…
        Deliver 80 Attack Helicopters with Thermal/Night targeting. …and deploy Russian
        Airborne divisions.
        Train up SAA and IRGC to replace Russian Airborne. ….keep the Helicopters in,
        Secure Syria’s borders.

        Granted. …deploying Airborne divisions is a big action..
        The money wasted on the carrier opps could have supported the Attack Helicopters

        Air mobility has been Syria’s and IRGC Achilles heel,
        …..just an observation.

        • RichardD

          They’ve had sufficient air cover for the most part. The bottle neck has been boots on the ground. The Russians don’t need another Afghanistan or Vietnam. It’s the Syrian’s war to win or lose. And they’re winning it. Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and Russia have also provided ground troops on an as needed basis. What they’re doing is clearly working and providing the desired results. The government foot print grows every day as the regime change foot print print shrinks. I don’t see that changing.

        • zman

          Well, you addressed the use of Russian capabilities part of his question, but not the escalation part. Russia and Syria have endured many tactics that was designed to enlarge the conflict and give the west/Israel the political ammunition that they desired to escalate their military involvement. A far wiser move in my opinion. The lies about Russian actions in Syria are proliferating, but they have no proof, because there is none. Why give them the ammunition they want, when their approach is working?

          • Brad Isherwood

            Anyone criticism Putin/Russia gets flipped off.
            Some technicality/position is fronted.
            My position is that Putin is Playing along with the Old Masonic MIC game.
            Putin/Lavrov deconfliction agreements leave Israel,US and Turks in place for
            The extortions to continue.
            This moves on towards Hezbollah, IRGC and Iran.
            Putin cuts weapons/trade deals with the Saudi flunkies….who now announce
            War on Terrorism vs Iran, Hezbollah etc.
            Russia is sanctioned by US/Europe,….yet US just bought Russian LNG gas,
            Shipped that from Russian port to somewhere so in Europe….lol….it’s a joke!

            People say Putin is fighting against the NWO,….against Rothschilds.
            Russia Central Bank is still BIS/Rothschilds. …
            Putin takes sanctions yet still does business/trade with the west. ..
            Just in your face BS like the recent LNG transaction.

            Putin and Xi are playing the Globalist game….just on a different tact.
            I do not see either as hero or leader of humanity against the Great game of
            Extortions.
            Putin never warmed up the S 400s on Israel….That’s telling right there.
            Putin allowed Israel to blow Syrian military and Hezbollah away,…Said nothing.

            Putin’s more crafty at the Masonic game…. than US,Israel,Europe’s leaders

  • RichardD

    “Discounting the Official Narrative as the absurdity it so clearly is, there are just two organisations on the entire planet with the expertise, assets, access and political protection necessary to have both executed 9/11 and effected its cover-up to date (ie the means). Both are Intelligence Agencies – the CIA and the Israeli Mossad whose motives were arguably the most compelling. Those motives dovetailed perfectly with the Neocon PNAC agenda, with it’s explicitly stated need for “…a catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” [1] in order to mobilise US public opinion for already planned wars, the effects of which would be to destroy Israel’s enemies.”

    “9-11/Israel did it”
    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars, by Philip Giraldi
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/

    • Nod

      funny how your brain skips. ……….agree that the CIA was involved, had to be, then you ignore the balance of evidence of participation, and say Israel did it, contrary to reason. You blame Israel, for American actions. Dumb shit americans vote for appointed puppets, and cant handle it when the puppet blows them up.Haters abound.

      With respect to 911, the president, his relatives, the CIA, the FBI, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and a score others in the government were involved.. There were american allied Saudi Muslims involved, speculators , mayors, military personal….the list goes on and on.

      Fact and reason itself will not allow any functioning intellect to blame any one demographic, for the emergence of end game capitalism, and the perpetration of 911.
      .
      That would be clearly prejudicial, and illogical.

      PNAC was not an Israeli document either dimwit.

      • RichardD

        It’s called the Jew world order, without the baby rapers it wouldn’t exist, and 911 wouldn’t have happened. They’re to blame. Their evil pedophile rape cult should be outlawed and Israel’s UN membership revoked to create a Jew free planet. These Jew parasites need to be gotten out of government, media, finance and academia to stop all of the problems that they cause. Your blame shifting attempt doesn’t exonerate them from their crimes.

        America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars, by Philip Giraldi
        http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/

        • Nod

          roflmao.

          Do you realize you babble sentence after sentence of contrary to fact opinion, and called it fact.

          Then you babbled that the planet should be free of them. Hateful ignorance at best. Then you posted a book, from another hater, who will ignore the facts contrary to his beLIEF.

          You are a liar. And you are a liar, because you are stupid enough to put hate, before thought.

          Americans make me laugh. Crying the Jews did it, while our inequality based monetary system has all our politicians in the pocket of the rich who own you. Yet you are stupid enough to blame Jews for all of that too

          You are a big pile of hateful gunk….And here is the fact . Here is what has bought everything out from under your nose. And it isn’t Jewish. It is an American perfection called inequality.

          I feel dirty even talking to you.

          Ignorance is NOT knowledge. Not even yours.
          =========================
          “Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.”

          Gilens, M., & Page, B. I. (2014). Testing theories of American politics: Elites, interest groups, and average citizens. Perspectives on Politics, 12(3), 564-581. DOI: 10.1017/S1537592714001595

          ================================

          “The abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and money began to play an important part in determining elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread to the law courts. And then to the army, and finally the Republic was subjected to the rule of emperors”: Plutarch – Historian of the Roman Republic

          =================================

          “Capitalism is going to deal itself out of existence, but before it does that, you’re gonna pay $50 for a latte, because inflation is going impoverish all of us before people get pissed off enough to realize that all of the last hundred years of economic progress was actually a shell game to create billionaires, while the great masses of people saw their standard of living eroded and destroyed.” ~ Terence McKenna

          Keep voting dimwit, and keep hating on those which are irrelevant to your slavery and the stupidity that drives (“american intellect”. Oxymoron, I know.)

          just too stupid to think., the haters.

        • Nod

          ” Your blame shifting attempt doesn’t exonerate them from their crimes.”

          On the contrary stupid, I don’t shift blame like you do.

          You ignore the actions of Americans,while opinionating how the jews did it.

          You blame all Jews for the actions of the Mossad. totally illogical stupidity that only serves hate. .

          You are stupid enough to blame jews for the over powering control of money power and scientifically proven inequality, on your government.

          You are stupid enough to try and convince us that the herd in American, is blameless for their imperialism, that the jews did it.

          You really are, quite stupid RD. Your hate makes you so.

          Here is what I know for fact. Inequality does imperialism, and it did 911. I don’t have to hate jews, in order to understand the problem. Problem with Americans, they have a brain fart induced mindset which does not allow them to view inequality objectively. Like you do.

          • Nod

            anything else dimwit ?

      • RichardD

        The short answer is that Jewmerica is the most Jew infested nation on the planet. If we didn’t have any Jews here 911 would have never happened.

        • Nod

          No, the shortest answer is that you suffer the ignorance of prejudice. And then you babble about how Jews did 911, while the facts show it was multi pronged event.

          prejudiced people ARE stupid. You demonstrated that clearly.

          • RichardD

            I deal with facts and evidence. It wouldn’t have happened without the Jews driving it. They’re the root cause of many of the planet’s problems. Having non Jew collaborators, as they usually do, doesn’t lessen their guilt or exonerate them from their crimes. It’s why they have 100+ UN and other international law resolutions against them, because they’re criminals.

            The world would be a much better place without their corrupting influence and evil pedophile cult that rapes 1,000 babies a week as one of it’s sick blood sucking rituals. It should be outlawed to create a Jew free world.

          • Nod

            “”It wouldn’t have happened without the Jews driving it. “”

            opinion,not fact.

            ==================================

            “They’re the root cause of many of the planet’s problems.”

            This is contrary to science ignorance and babble. Inequality is the problem with the planet dimwit. not Jews.

            And the USA has the biggest footprint on this planet, as they stomp their way around. 900 bases in 150 countries, and you babble stupidity that jews are behind all of the murder and hate. When you are a poster boy for irrational hate.

            I know, I know dimwit, you blame Israel for all of it. Post some photos and say “they did it”

            More babbled opinion that is quite contrary to logic and fact.

            =====================================

            lol this one made me laugh. I could just imagine your face all red with hate.

            “evil pedophile cult that rapes 1,000 babies a week as one of it’s sick blood sucking rituals.”

            This customs seems as twisted as the custom of Christian to mutilate the penises of their boys, or the Muslims culture of circumcising the women.

            Either way, illogical to hate on any one of of these atrocities, and an act of stupidity to bring it up as an argument for hegemony or 911.

            Irrational irrelevant opinion used out of context

            ==========================================

            “The US is the most Jew infested nation on the planet. ” More opinion,
            And even if this were true, it proves nothing except you obsess with hate. It isn’t relevant to the CHOICES made by Americans dimwit.,as much as you want to absolve yourself.

            More opinion framed to preposition.

            ==================================

            “Jews are disproportionately represented in the control positions that they gravitate to as part of their parasitical behavior.”

            What does this even mean, except you tend to put the word Jew everywhere the word American should go. You want to absolved yourself, by blaming everything on Jews.

            Irrational meaningless stupidity this opinion was.

            =================================

            ” If the US didn’t have Jews and the Israel lobby, 911 would have never happened.”

            opinion pretending to be FACT …..lol

            ================================

            As with most haters, you come up short on the IQ scale needed in order to confuse the facts in the mind of an intelligent, UNBIASED thinker.

          • Nod

            People like you, are just too stupid to understand what he meant.

            ““Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal – that there is no human relation between master and slave.” Leo Tolstoy, Russian writer.

            In you, I only see a slave, hating on other slaves, for the actions of our masters.

            Tell me RD whats your religion…. lol

          • AlexanderAmproz

            Circumcision = Excision

            it’s the same cells on the Fetus
            and it’s contain 80% of the humans
            sexual sensibility.

            it’s plain Dark-Ages Barbarism !

            I would be curious to know what Freudians
            will think about it…
            I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the US, Jews,
            and Arab’s violence Culture origins !

          • Nod

            Terrence McKenna spoke of culture being our enemy. I AGREE. It is used to manipulate and force us to group think. It forces the herd into belief structures based in prejudice and inequality. It forces logical brains to shut down, and allows and encourages emotions to rule brains already suffering mal education and poor socialization….

          • RichardD
          • Nod

            That meme, has nothing to do with 911. And isn’t supporting evidence.

            And I prefer verifiable facts…And hate is hate. I like the “framing” of your position though.

            Here are some…Jews didn’t do this. Yanks did….Imperialists did….

            ==============================================
            “”We’re going to take out seven countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran” –General Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star U.S. Army general, Supreme AlliedCommander of NATO during the 1999 War on Yugoslavia .
            =============================================
            “That is the phenomenon of the US. Since 1945 they’ve destroyed 73 countries and were directly involved in the deaths of 26 million people. It is a horror show. It just must stop!”
            John Shipton, journalist and executive officer of Wiki Leaks.

            ====================================
            “last month, the Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS) released a landmark study concluding that the death toll from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million.

            The 97-page report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors’ group”

            “The PSR report is authored by an interdisciplinary team of leading public health experts, including Dr. Robert Gould, director of health professional outreach and education at the University of California San Francisco Medical Center, and Professor Tim Takaro of the Faculty of Health Sciences at Simon Fraser University.”

            http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

            ANd if I recall, the mass murderer called Obama won a peace prize…..

            I wont hate anyone for the effects of inequality. I am not that easy to manipulate..

          • RichardD

            You’re a liar and a truth hater engaged in a blame shifting exercise whose ignoring the copious judicial quality evidence of the Jew’s guilt in 911 that I’ve provided. I’m assuming that you’re probably a Jew pedophile rape cult member.

            You haven’t disproven any of the evidence that I’ve provided which proves Israeli and Zionist complicity in the crime. Even with the massive cover up that they’re trying to carry out. Which is why you’ve failed to prove that the Zionists didn’t do it when the evidence shows that they did. It’s why Israel has 100+ UN and other international law resolutions against it. Because the Jews are guilty and they try to ignore the facts and lie their way out of it as unsuccessfully as you do.

            What the Jews did in Russia has everything to do with what they tried to do in Germany, and are trying to do in the US. Where they’ve hijacked the government and other control positions to advance their evil cult’s hegemony drive at the expense of the American people and humanity. They’re criminally insane repeat offenders, and a parasitical disease that needs to be eradicated by outlawing their evil pedophile cult that rapes 1,000 cult babies every week, to create a Jew free planet.

            Hi res, double click to zoom in:

            https://kek.gg/i/52SMbt.jpg

            Depraved Jew pervert blood sucking baby rapers:

            https://saboteur365.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/feed-me-more-foreskins.jpg?w=584&h=389

          • Nod

            “oring the copious judicial quality evidence of the Jew’s guilt in 911 that I’ve provided.”

            Nope, you are the liar, since I freely admitted Mossad involvement. Yet you babble this lie, in order to frame that preposition. I just dont deny American guilt, like a moron would.

            RD lie # 1….

            ======================================

            “I’m assuming that you’re probably a Jew pedophile rape cult member trying to cover up your evil cult’s crimes.”

            This is ad hom, brought forth because the heap of speculative, prejudiced, ignorant and hateful horseshit was easily seen through by someone not suffering bias. You do this, so you can use hate as argument, as this is your only method of debate. . I am a 4th generation Canadian of Irish and Scottish stock dimwit.

            RD lie # 2

            ============================================

            “evidence that I’ve provided which proves Israeli and Zionist complicity in”

            You never proved this dimwit, facts did for me, a long time ago. I certainly do not need an internet hater to think or read for me. And long ago I knew of Israel involvement, , and do not deny it. Once again, you frame the proposition that since Israel was involved, they must be responsible too. This is outright stupidity and poor logic. Hater thought processes work like this.

            “and responsibility for the crime”

            And you’ve never proved Israel was responsible, you have only babbled that irrational statement as an addendum and conclusion to the fact that the Mossad did help on 911. Of course, anyone but a brainless twat could not ignore the other players involved, including the main player = USA. Only the haters do that. Like you RD.

            lie # 2 and LIE # 3 RD.

            ======================================

            “hich is why you’ve failed to prove that the Zionists didn’t do it”

            I dont need to prove a negative, nor do I need to prove your hate is irrational, and fooks up your ability to think. This comes naturally from listening to you babble hate.. Only a dumbass would ask someone to do either.

            When I can prove without any problem, that there were at least 5 different cultures involved in 911. Money power, American politics, Israeli politics, American governments officials including the president of the USA and Muslim allies from the house of saud. That’s not even including the cover-up, which was done solely by Americans, thousands of them in the government. Thats not including the millions of them that advocated for, and slaughtered countless Muslims for the plans and machinations of the rich.

            LIE # 4 RD

            ================================

            “It’s why Israel has 100+ UN and other international law resolutions against it. Because the Jews are guilt”

            Well, these resolutions are not relevant to 911, and once again you try to frame one thing, into another, in order to suit your hate. See how easy it is to debunk stupid folks. Just follow reason.

            I know Israel is a genocidal state, as I know the USA is a genocidal state. Not relevant to logic and reason applied in the analysis of 911.

            LIE # 5 RD.

            ==========================

            Rest of it, is opinion and hate based bullshit,from a fool.

          • Nod

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Justice_for_Palestinians

            Jews for Justice for Palestinians

            http://www.nkusa.org/

            “One of the basics of Judaism is that we are a people in exile due to Divine decree.

            Accordingly, we are opposed to the ideology of Zionism, a recent innovation, which seeks to force the end of exile. Our banishment from the Holy Land will end miraculously at a time when all mankind will unite in the brotherly service of the Creator.

            In addition to condemning the central heresy of Zionism, we also reject its policy of aggression against all peoples. Today this cruelty manifests itself primarily in the brutal treatment of the Palestinian people. We proclaim that this inhuman policy is in violation of the Torah.

            NKI seeks peace and reconciliation with all peoples and nations”

            You lost privileges of speaking with me. You are simply too stupid. Logic fail, reason fail, rationality fail, emotional stability fail.

          • AlexanderAmproz

            Ashkenazi are from the Black Sea
            and became Jews by proselytism

            Israel deliberately forgets its history

            An Israeli historian suggests the diaspora was the consequence, not of the expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine, but of proselytising across north Africa, southern Europe and the Middle East

            by Schlomo Sand

            https://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel

            Theocratic Colonialism is disgusting !

          • Nod

            Yes, but ultimately, we KNOW for fact that education and socialization create mindset. The herd does not have an independent mind, as I suspect you already know.

            Whether European Jews, Semites from Palestine, Red necks from America, we are a product of who we are supposed to be, taught to be, by those who control the information.

            It is a rare gift, to face the onslaught of the propaganda called customs traditions, media, and STILL see the reality for what it is. You my friend. clearly have that ability.

            Many here are yanked about like a yoyo, too ignorant to understand that fact, or why, or how. Too ignorant to care.

            Bernay’s spelled it out. And pattern recognition confirms too, while science has told for fact. Money power rules. It owns business, it owns governments, it owns militaries world wide. It is globalism at work.

            The American haters, Muslims haters, Jew haters, these are all just useful idiots serving their purpose in an idiotology that keeps the herd in a frenzy, feeding on each other, while they are fed on by the rich.

            “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

            Edward Bernays – Propaganda – 1928

          • RichardD

            “”9-11/Israel did it” …

            The US Military Knows Israel did it …

            “If these Americans and those like them ever fully understand just how much of their suffering — and the suffering we have inflicted on others — is properly laid on the doorsteps of Israel and its advocates in America, they will sweep aside those in politics, the press and the pulpits alike whose lies and disloyalty brought this about and concealed it from them. They may well leave Israel looking like Carthage after the Romans finished with it. It will be Israel’s own great fault.” …

            Dr Alan Sabrosky, Jewish former Director of Studies at the US army War College.”

            https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

            America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars, by Philip Giraldi
            http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/

          • Nod

            So you present opinions as fact. Alan Sabrosky has an opinion too, that Israel is responsible for the actions of American since the last world war? And finally WIKI is certainly not evidence of fact. That links only seeks to find a connection of any Zionists to any act, in order to lay it at Israels door.

            And I have lots of quotes from Jews telling us how the Zionists are quite capable of murder and deceit, and I never stated otherwise. We’ve seen it happen, alongside the French and Italian and American, and Canadian murders for imperialism. I am just not stupid enough to blame it on the smallest group of the conspirators. All of it.

            AMERICAN imperialism is FACT. No flag of Israel there.

            LOL I used to pull that crap when i was 5.

            “Mommy, I didnt do it,. or “he made me to do it.”

            It never worked. Mom was a sharp cookie.

            All the babble about how Israel made us do it all, and no one can tell us how that is possible.

            If it is as you say, then how it is possible so many politicos, Christians, and other a$$hats came under the magic spell of the Jews, in order to do all the bad things on the planet that only happen due to inequality.

            Science and logic says, inequality = violence, which is why the USA can abuse the planet, and Israel can abuse Palestine.

            I am not interested in quotes. I have a 3 digit IQ, and I want logic, reason, and fact.

            Americans did 911 too , and it could NOT HAVE HAPPENED, without them. Period. And only an idiot, cannot think that through. Whereby, the CIA could have certainly done 911 without the Mossad.

            And I wonder the ignorance of our American herd. Ignoring or excusing the actions of their secret police and governments, excusing them due to hate for Israel, yet you want to blame all Jews, for the actions of the Mossad.

            hate revealed.

            It is a war crime to punish some for the actions of others. There is logic to that. Same logic holds for blaming all Jews, for the actions of Americans and the Mossad.

            Irrational hate ALWAYS shows one to be of a substandard intellectual capability.

          • RichardD

            Your a truth hater and an evil pedophile rape cult supporter. Were you raped at birth by a diseased Jew prostitute, infected with venereal disease, brain damaged and brainwashed to lie for the evil Jew cult, is that what your problem is? Raping children as the Jews do 1,000 times every week isn’t a Christian or Moslem ritual. The evil Jew cult should be outlawed to create a Jew free planet:

            “However; as with any right, the freedom of religion can be abridged if its exercise would infringe on the rights of others.

            As a result, several groups have been made into recognized criminal organizations. … These cults have generally been involved with activities like murder, abduction, statutory rape, or other serious crimes. Often, they hold an illegal activity to be a primary focus of their religious teachings, making adherence to the group’s beliefs a virtual guarantee of grossly illegal activity directly harming others.”

            https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=35055

            A strong argument defends a weak position. You haven’t disproven anything that I’ve written. You just drone on and on about how unhappy you are about what the evidence shows, which is that Israel and the Jews did 911 and it wouldn’t have happened without them pushing it. The US is the most Jew infested nation on the planet. They’ve infiltrated the CIA, government, media, finance and academia to serve Israel, Zionism and their evil cult first at the expense of their host nation and humanity. They’ve done this over and over throughout history. It’s why they’re so reviled. Any rational person familiar with the history of rabbinical Talmud Judaism is well aware of this.

            Evil Jew pedophile rape center locations:

            List of synagogues in the United States
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_synagogues_in_the_United_States

      • zman

        Yes, Israel (Mossad) was innocent, had nothing to do with it…that’s why there were Israelis taking pictures of the event…they just got lucky and were in the right place at the right time, that’s why they were dancing. Then the Israelis who set up the radio jamming devices and later found with explosives in their van, not to mention ‘the Jew call’ so many received. Silverstein was just lucky to buy and insure to the hilt WTC. Yes, poor Israel blamed for everything…and you speak of fact and reason… FU. Too bad the Saudis are too stupid to realize they’re going to be the fall guys for their best buds. Agree Americans are dumb shits for letting one little criminal enterprise control their government. One well placed bomb would eliminate that problem, the one named Israel.

        • Nod

          I did not say that Israel wasn’t involved, nor did I say they were ignorant. That woudl make me as stupid as the haters here.

          So what they danced, this doesn’t prove they were responsible, only that they knew. They admitted knowing on state TV.

          So Silverstien was a jew, he was also a greedy prick. And I am sure, the money did it for him. But either way, irrelevant bullshit from a hater.

          “Yes, poor Israel blamed for everything…and you speak of fact and reason… FU.

          truth hurts, and lookie you, all hating on me for a taste of some fact to juxtapose against the ridiculous leap you make from Israeli participation into Israeli act,when this is totally contrary to facts. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.

          “oo bad the Saudis are too stupid to realize they’re going to be the fall guys for their best buds.”

          Lookie this stupidity. Here you propose sympathy for terrorists hired by the CIA, and call them the falls guys, when in truth, the fall guys are the millions of muslims murdered by American dimwits, too stupid to think worth a damn.

          And then you advocate more terrorism, to suit your stupidity and ignorance.,

          With respect to 911, the president, his relatives, the CIA, the FBI, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and a score others in the government. There were american allied Saudi Muslims involved, speculators , mayors, military personal….the list goes on and on.

          Because fact and reason itself will not allow any functioning intellect to blame any one demographic, for the emergence of end game capitalism, and the perpetration of 911. .

          That would be clearly prejudicial, and illogical. And this is how I know you are an idiot.

          • zman

            I would tell you how FoS you are, but I’m sure you already know. Yes, many collaborators, but not many planners. Your BS reply belies the facts of who controls central banks around the world, run pedophilia rings to control politicians, has dual citizens in nearly all countries that must have Israel as their first concern, has performed terrorist acts from Asia to South America, started at least one regional war and the list goes on. This is how I know you are an idiot that denies what are actual facts and tries to belittle those that can see the reality of what Israel is. A demographic would be if I claimed that ALL Jews were responsible, which is another Israeli tactic they like to call antisemitism when they are confronted. Not all Jews are responsible, just those terrorists from Israel and their corrupt Zionist partners…that would be Cheney, Bush, etal.

        • Whitehotanger!

          Reminds me of when Winston Churchill danced to the report of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. England was saved by the Yanks, being dragged into WWII.
          As Israel’s enemies have been neutered by internal chaos: Egypt, Syria, Iraq….Iran may be next.

      • RichardD

        “The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was a neoconservative[1][2][3] think tank based in Washington, D.C. that focused on United States foreign policy. It was established as a non-profit educational organization in 1997, and founded by William Kristol and Robert Kagan.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

        • zman

          But those are facts. You know, those inconvenient things that this idiot ignores as his descends into his antisemitism/hater tactic. You can give him and his supporters the same credence I do…none.

    • Vince Dhimos

      Don’t forget the Saudis. They too are in it up to their necks.

      • AlexanderAmproz

        The Saudi Government is CIA “Puppets”
        to protect the Dollars interests,
        with Oil and weapons complex incomes and power…

    • AlexanderAmproz

      The US have the same problem with Jews

      the Germans had before WW2

  • Tom Tom

    “The Israeli Army confirmed the attack and said that one of its battle tanks fired warning shots because the SAA was constructing a fortified position in the demilitarized zone in the Golan Heights.”

    Awwww, isn’t that nice? And did the bad little fortified position go away? No. It didn’t.

  • Dr. Ronald Cutburth

    I founded a new Magazine called SCIENCE EXAMINATIONS. My first issue has the main article titled EXPOLISIVE DEMOLITION OF WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING ONE March issue.find it on Amazon.com
    I have evidence the President Bill Clinton set it up and his new CIA dictor contract the MOSSAD to load the explosives. Then Bush implimented it assisted in the cover up. There is no difference in the political parties. Out government is run by a Deep State that controls all of congress. Remember that is not the American people.
    June issue,, NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS ONLY EXPLOSIVES DESTROYED WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING ONE I found evidence that the 1993 WTC bombing used a similar explosive device that was used for the Embassy in 1983. The anonymous call would never stand up in court as evidence. Materials and information about the 1993 WTC bombing was found connected to the FBI/CIA. So that implicates the US in the 1983 embassy bombing not anybody else. September issue EMP GROSS ERROR OR FRAUD I show that the US deep state is setting up a false flag EMP to blame Russia, Iran, or Korth Korea. I have warned the US army war college that if they do that and make war with Russia we will lose. So conclude it is the US deep state and atheist zionists setting up to call Iran a terrorist country. They must defeat Iran to control the mid east for Israel. They failed in Syria but will not give up. Dr. Ronald Cutburth, engineering scientist, intelligence expert.

    • Vince Dhimos

      I disagree on the point that it is not the US people. Without Christian Zionism, as preached by pastors like John Hagee, it would be hard for the Deeop State to carry on. I call these “Christians” the Shallow State.

      • zman

        You are right about Hagee and the like…but that does not mean all Americans fall into this category. These people are now losing their audience, the only ones that continue to believe these morons are those that are beyond any sort of rational reasoning. You have to remember that these people do not necessarily think Israel to be innocent, they are doing their best to initiate the final days…at least in their minds, as it were. These people exit is all western ‘christian’ countries.

        • Vince Dhimos

          I really hope that is true. I do realize that not all Christians are that fanatical about supporting Israel. What scares me the most is that they behave as if they are challenging the powers that be by “defiantly” mouthing the words “I stand for Israel,” as if the elites were anti-Israel. And yet, they know that politicians such as Ted Cruz, who do repeat these meaningless words, would NEVER think of saying in public: “I stand for Jesus.” Even though they claim to be Christians. This means that, in fact, Christianity in America has effectively substituted Israel — the Middle East country with the most atheists per capita — for Jesus.