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Sultan Erdogan Plans To Build First ‘Fully Turkish’ Aircraft Carrier Because UK Does Not Want To Sell One

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Sultan Erdogan Plans To Build First ‘Fully Turkish’ Aircraft Carrier Because UK Does Not Want To Sell One

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Turkish Sultan-in-Chief Recep Tayyip Erdogan wants his own aircraft carrier.

Middle East Eye reported that last year Ankara held consultations with London to procure a new or second-hand aircraft carrier last year, but the talks were inconclusive.

The report claims that the Turkish government inquired to purchase a Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier or a decommissioned one, but British officials denied that request.

“They have offered to sell the design of an aircraft carrier and provide technical support during the construction in Turkey,” Middle East Eye quoted one of its sources.

So now, the Turkish sultan wants its own aircraft carrier.

“After the consultations with the British government, Turkey has decided to build its own ship, instead of purchasing it,” another source quoted by Middle East Eye said.

Ankara is already currently building the TCG Anadolu amphibious assault ship. The ship’s design is based on Spain’s SPS Juan Carlos I (L-61) multipurpose amphibious assault ship. The TCG Anadolu is expected to be launched this year, with the capability to operate short take-off and vertical landing aircraft. The issue is that Turkey was excluded from the F-35 program as a result of tensions with the United States.

Therefore, it needs some fighter jet or helicopters, which can be used from this amphibious ship.

Sultan Erdogan Plans To Build First ‘Fully Turkish’ Aircraft Carrier Because UK Does Not Want To Sell One

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Johnny B. Allan

Lol I guess someone ran out of real journalistic articles and then turn into some childish trolling articles.

By the way. Turkey’s Aircraft carrier program has been going for a long time before even that British carrier. It is old news. The Turkish aircraft carrier predates this fake story.

Meaning Turkey had it lined up for sometime now to be build immediately regardless of anything.

Turkey also has it’s own stealth fighters program TFX. 5th generation aircraft stealth technology. ready to take first flight in early 2023. Turkey is entirely self-suffient defense industry and probably has one of the best in the world

Von

Keep dreaming about that “self-sufficiency”, you Turds are delusional, how is the Lira going Mongol?

JIMI JAMES

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You just don’t get it do you? No future in fascism nor cia/lgbtq (period)
Turkey have access to soviet tech,and ukranians used to build ships,not as great as the british ,french,usa or russians,but 5th rate military power they truly are todays!

Truth is homosexuals sanctions are no part of the future,they may try but they fail!

occupybacon

Well, kings like David and Saul were homosexuals and they had a future

Faisal Al Al Mahdi

thats a lie. there is no proof of that in biblical sources

farbat

ukraine?

Mustafa Mehmet

Why don’t you go and jump you idiot scumbag

farbat

are you delusional?

farbat

soviet technology was russian speaking and ukrainian know how was in the east

farbat

ukraine cant even produce a toaster these days

farbat

iam not even kidding here ukraine is done in the matters of science and engineering and i expect more of little krim than from ukraine

farbat

either turkey aligns towards russia or china or iran and there is really no other option for turkey these days and dreaming about ukraine being a way out for turkey to become number 4 and rise up the ranks is absurd delusional and it will backfire badly because neither turkey nor ukraine have what it takes to survive and russia is going to use this

Faisal Al Al Mahdi

I am not sympathetic with Turkey’s foreign policy but when anyone travels through Turkey the industriousness, skills and high education of the people and its companies is evident. They manufacture a lot and develop a lot of tech products, just look at the exports of manufactured goods to Europe for example. Having made a decision for military industry self sufficiency they are achieving this, an example of the problem for the F35 planners with inability to fill Turkeys parts in the program.
As for Iran, thanks to Sanctions it is achieving real self sufficiency in all areas. It’s people are amazingly well educated and the scientific skills are astounding.

The indicators to track such progress are not freely available but anecdotally looking at the industrial achievements in areas such as oil/gas and manufacturing.
I dont understand the comments here which claim Iran is backward is simply not true. Comparing Iran to European countries only Germany could compare to the scientific and industrial potential of Iran. Being good at capitalism eg Britain does not make it good at industry including ship building, Turkey is better off building their own. Incidentally Iran has one of the biggest ship building industries in the world and is in the same league as South Korea if not bigger.

farbat

build a car first

Servet Köseoğlu

Bs, new amphibious assault ship is enough atm and Uk has not left any carrier for buy off-the-shelf,besides Turkey has to gain experience first with its new ship(no jets) then maybe in mid-long term (2040) can start carrier project.

Jesus

Turkey is not China.

Servet Köseoğlu

Of course we are not China or usa/russia but evolving every year.

farbat

how many years are you going to be around is the real question

Servet Köseoğlu

where to buy high quality tinfoil for your hats is the only thing you should know, conspiratard crank ?

farbat

debt bubble turkey is not safe in many senses

Johnny B. Allan

This is the sound of a weakling once they have nothing to shoot with they start to invent stuff and start to fantasize about doom or glooms that are clearly not there.

It’s called the acceptance stage of the reality before it sinks in.

farbat

hahaha iran is a science power meanwhile turkey was a tourism power and now go figure who survives a corona virus age XD

farbat

best is how you cant even deny my points but have to say that iam fantasizing but please you must be delusional i talk about the issues turks talk about these days most of all the economy which is a debt trap

farbat

you know why iran can build such a carrier and turkey could not its as simple as why iran created 1000s of projects and completed them while turkey is failing with a 100 projects

Luna

Iran can not build aircraft carrier kid , who told you that , your kindergardern teacher or yr backwards leaders ?

farbat

its nice to say you do it yourself but if you cant even produce a piston engine a diesel engine or benzin engine by yourself than what are you worth anyway as a producer

Servet Köseoğlu

please animal go lick your shrine… ??
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Luna

Give him a moment please. He is presently whipping himself in his ‘ ultra modern very developed top notch ‘ village , and masturbating with dreams of greater iranian empire which even controls Alpha centauri. LMFAO:

Servet Köseoğlu

The problem with him is that he literally doesnt have dignity,honour.Dozen of people warned him not to spam but he cant perceieve,grasp through his thick skull and for unknown reason Turkey/turks triggers his basic/animal instinct and he starts to spit his smelly venom.Disgusting creature..gross.

Luna

Classical underdeveloped and poorly educated Middle Eastern liar iving in his small village and trying to understand the world with the propaganda being fed to him by the fanatical and backwards leaders of Iran.

But I like that clown , he gives me the oppurtunity to show what really Iran is.

farbat

the most high tech industry is turkey is service based XD

farbat

turkey cant produce on its own a single car and to do such a thing the british or others have to do the most work

farbat

iran is in the top 5 worldwide on all post modern technologies be it quantum plasma nano or any of them really meanwhile i repeat turkey is a collapsing service based economy in its best days

Luna

No it is not kid. Iran is a backwards shithole full of mind washed morons like you who even could not get out of their small villages so far.

farbat

iran builds dams who can survive nuklear attacks so iran is clearly in the top 3 in materializing big projects considering that building a huge underground plant is a matter of a months worth for iran they just build a huge brigde where i live in a matter of months creating several lines of street into the greenery as if its nothing and iranian streets are usually better than those in most of europe from the quality and maintenance aspects

Luna

One of the ‘ biggest projects’ that you iranians build. Qaher F-313.

The plane you trieds to pass as real , but all aviation experts laughed at you with their asses off knowing that such a plane could not even fly .

Todays laughing piece , one of ‘ biggest projects ‘ of backwards shithole alled iran .

”Iran’s ‘stealth’ fighter is a total joke”

https://www.businessinsider.com/irans-qaher-f313-stealth-2017-4

farbat

projects in istanbul are still sleeping meanwhile my city sari is expanding in size like you cant imagine so you are in a 3rd world because you are degenerating in many aspects while iran is advancing and if you are from the west than your decline is steep

Luna

Mate , noone gives a fuck to that 300/350k populated village you are living . Are you seriously trying to compare it with Istanbul which has 18m population and ha 260 billion usd gdp ( more than half of all iran’s gdp )

If Iran is more developed than Turkey they why all iranians are running to Turkey and trying to get citizenship here ?

You have never left yr village so far , have you ?

farbat

take all of europe combined and it doesnt stand a chance against iran in so many aspects that its just pathetic and generally the west is done

farbat

generally the top three powers right now are china russia and iran in that order and this can be seen with the vaccines eventually with china and russia having the first vaccines and iran just coming in on march yet iran having the safest vaccine on the planet so much so that swiss wants to vaccinate its population with iranian vaccines with increasingly demand among european doctors scientists and other experts to do the same

Luna

”yet iran having the safest vaccine on the planet so much so that swiss
wants to vaccinate its population with iranian vaccines with
increasingly demand among european doctors scientists and other experts
to do the same”

So you seriously believe Swiss are sleeping at yr door to get that superior and miraculous iranian vaccine prepared from one of a kind iranian donkey piss

Iliterate moron, who told you all those bed time stories , pls tell us so that we can laugh all together.

farbat

you dogs would not be as salty if you had a science base that wasnt imbecilic and useless

Luna

Which science is that iranian ape ? Fake corona dedector made from a cooking pot ? Qaeher 133 which does not fly and makes you and international joke ? The ‘high tec’ missile that hits yr own war ship and sinks it ?

Or the dam that can stand to nuclear attacks ?

I would not call you a dog , you low IQ peasant . That would be an insult to all dogs.

farbat

the pasteur institute in france had to admit that not just its daughter pasteur in iran is more advanced than the french original its also not even in the top 10 of irans industry in that matter

Luna

Did pasteur institute also admitted that incredible Iranian gadget that can diagnose Corona virus from 100 meters ?

LMFAO . Underdeveloped Middle Eastern charlatans. Look at that pot cover he is holding trying to pass as some kind of receptor

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farbat

what china russia and iran offer turkey is to become the service industry of the east and work towards self sustainability but this will take many decades still for turkey to be industrial in the real sense and to put it simple turkey doesnt have what iran has in many aspects so it cant try on its own it needs help either way and russia is where i guess they will end up with

Luna

Go feed yr hungry ass before discussing what Iran can offer to others.

Iran is a backwards shithole crawling with shrine licking and self whipping fanatics. If you really want to offer something to any of the countries around you , either quit living in 15th century or commit a mass suicide to strip yourselves the misery you are all living in .

farbat

turkey can only take more debt and more and more its done

farbat

100s of infrastructure projects utterly useless only to show off that turkey is not declining but it is clearly happening badly and the caucasus nor the black or mediterran sea ressources could fix a society issue like this

farbat

turkey society is clearly sick

Luna

How sick exactly ? Sick enough to whip theirselves to death on streets ? Hanging people while crowd watches ? Fanatical backwards religious charlatans licking shrines ? But wait , that is you iranians peasants, not someone else. LMFAO:

Servet Köseoğlu

iran society is animal..xD..poor low life…

Luna

It is a country of shrine lickers and self whippers.

Have you seen iranian coronovirus dedector ? LOL practically some middle Eastern peasant holding a cooking pot cover . Iranian high tech . LMFAO..

”Coronavirus: Top Iran general peddles fake bomb detector as tool to fight Covid-19”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/coronavirus-iran-bomb-detector-revolutionary-guard-hossein-salami-a9466236.html

That shithole called iran and its people belongs to 15trh century

farbat

turkey is what the westerners would call “the sick man of asia”

Luna

Turkey was the only reason why Iran could not expand through the west all through the history. Now Turkey again screwing plans of Iran in Syria , Iraq , Caucasus and soon in Yemen. Your ex masters are back , quit crying and get used to it.

Jesus

The Turks came on the scene in Anatolia in the 1300’s, Persia was an empire during the 5th century BC, 1700-1800 years before the Turks became a historical reality.
If you want to precede the Persian Empire, there were the Elamites, Mesopotamians and Babylon kingdoms.

Luna

No they did in 1071. not in 1300s. Before that they were ruling ‘persia for about 800 years. After Turks left, Mongols razed ‘ persia ‘ during 1220/1221 and reduced the population down to 200.000 people nearly genociding all of persians . The plain truth is , iran is shithole invaded almost by everyone throughout the history .

Moreover , babylonian Empire was established in todays Iraq – ditto for mesopotamians.

So why dont you read some history ?

Jesus

I know history, you failed to mention the Persian Empire under Darius and Cyrus that included Babylon, Egypt, Anatolia, northern territories between Black and Caspian Seas, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Northern Africa….etc.

Early during the 11th century the Seljuks started to encroach on eastern Anatolia, that progress was stopped by a Mongolian whipping in 1243, whereby the Seljuk empire would disintegrate, except for one principality that over a couple of centuries became the Ottoman Empire.

“”” The plain truth is , iran is shithole invaded almost by everyone throughout the history .”””

That is your limited opinion, maybe you need to read about the Persian Empire and its fabulous riches during the antiquity before it fell to Alexander the Great.

Luna

No you dont , you missed Turkish entry to anatolia by almost 250 years , now you are claiming that Mesopotamiand and babylonians were also linked to persians just because persians had been on these lands sometime during the history.

In 1243 , Seljuks were already in Anatolia, check yr facts again .

With yr mentality Syria , Iran , Egypt , Iran , Libya , and almost all balkans are linked to Ottomans just because they were under Ottoman control once upon a time .

Todays Iran is a shithole , Jose . It is a place no sane person would like to live. A fact we both know. Get over it.

Jesus

“”” now you are claiming that Mesopotamians and babylonians were also linked to persians just because persians had been on these lands sometime during the history.”””

Have you looked at a map of the Persian empire ….Jose?
You either are dense or willingly ignorant.
Do a search under Medo Persian Empire and find out.

“””” With yr mentality Syria , Iran , Egypt , Iran , Libya , and almost all balkans are linked to Ottomans just because they were under Ottoman control once upon a time .”””

They were part of the Ottoman Empire at one time or another. They were known as provinces of the empire Jose.

Luna

Jose, you miserably failed with Turkish entrance to Anatolia,then claimed that Babylonians and Mesapotamians were iranians and now further screwing up .

Lets start from the beginning ,

1- Tell me when Turks entrered Anatolia, in 1300s ?
2- Do you still consider Babylonians and Mesopotamians as Iranians just because Persia invaded these lands sometime through out the history ?

How did you got that Medo Persian empire into our discussion , how it is related with yr argument ?

Shut up , seriously . You are simply posting a comment with some shallow or made up knowledge hoping that yr opponent is as uninformed as you on the subject , but this may not always be the case.

Jesus

Lol, should I make you an example for your arrogance and ignorance? Let’s do it:

“”” Tell me when Turks entrered Anatolia, in 1300s ?”””
In the 11 century they were on the fringes of eastern Anatolia, only to be defeated by mongols in the 13 th century, and slowly coming back and becoming the Ottoman Empire. They did not have full control of Anatolia until they conquered Constantinople in 1453.

“”” 2- Do you still consider Babylonians and Mesopotamians as Iranians just because Persia invaded these lands sometime through out the history ?”””

Babylon was a province of the Persian empire from 6th to 4th century BC…….not sometimes .

Achaemenid Empire

By the 7th century BC, the Persians had settled in the south-western portion of the Iranian Plateau in the region of Persis, which came to be their heartland.[18] From this region, Cyrus the Great advanced to defeat the Medes, Lydia, and the Neo-Babylonian Empire, establishing the Achaemenid Empire. Alexander the Great, an avid admirer of Cyrus the Great,[19] conquered most of the empire by 330 BC.

“”” How did you got that Medo Persian empire into our discussion , how it is related with yr argument ?”””

Lol, Cyrus the great the Persian king defeated the Medes, the Persian and Medes conquered Babylon and the rest of the Persian empire which measured up over 5.5 million square kms.

“”” Shut up , seriously . You are simply posting a comment with some shallow or made up knowledge hoping that yr opponent is as uninformed as you on the subject , but this may not always be the case.”””

I think you need to shut up and stop showing me your lack of knowledge, Persian Empire for its duration was a fabulously rich empire, well governed, something the Ottoman Empire would not come anywhere close to it.

Here is an excerpt about Persepolis after Alexander the Great who defeated the Persian Empire (who did not butcher them like the idiot mongols did) chose to blend Hellenism with the Persian culture.

Luna

Jose , you are the epitome of ignorance . Turkish entrance to Anatolia is 1071 with Manzıkert war , quit trying to distory history to cover up yr ignorance with vague statements such as ‘ but they were in the fringes of Anatolia ‘ . It is not 1300’. So what shall we do , shall we alter all the history to suit yr stupidity ?

You claimed that Babylonians and Mesopotamians were also Iranians . That was another gem.

They are different races , different cultures. In return I asked you simple questions ‘’ If an invasion changes the nationality and race of locals , do you also consider all the people invaded by Ottomans as Turks ? ‘’ Instead of replying this simple question, you are reverting with further useless copy paste messages which are even more more pathetic than the previous ones .

Jose , you are the one who wrote thisThe Turks came on the scene in Anatolia in the 1300’s, If you want to precede the Persian Empire, there were the Elamites, Mesopotamians and Babylon kingdoms.’’ You wrote these , you are someone who thinks that elamites , babylonians and mesopotamians were the predecessor of Persian empire . You dont know who is who , you have no idea about the history of the regiion . At least show the decency to shut up now instead of posting to me over and over for damage control.

What does Medo Persian empire , Achaemenid Empire, Cyrus the Great , Alexander the Great has to do with this argument ? And now we have another unrelated argument here about blending of ‘Hellenism with Persian culture’’ and Persian Empire being so rich which Ottoman Empire could not anywhere come close to it .. LMFAO

Jose you are full of Bullshit. In order to cover up yr baseless and ignorant arguments , you are reverting with another irrelevant one and spamming with yr unrelated copy paste messages .

Jesus

Really Jose, it is banal to me when the Turks entered Anatolia, I said 1300 yes, and then changed it to 11 th century.

This is what I said,

“”” The Turks came on the scene in Anatolia in the 1300’s, Persia was an empire during the 5th century BC, 1700-1800 years before the Turks became a historical reality.

If you want to precede the Persian Empire, there were the Elamites, Mesopotamians and Babylon kingdoms.”””

Where did I say that Persians were Elamites or Babylonians?
Of course taking something out of context is your forte.

The argument was about the Iranian heritage being greater than the ottoman heritage.

“”” If an invasion changes the nationality and race of locals , do you also consider all the people invaded by Ottomans as Turks ? ‘’ ””

Jose, I said occupied territories with their local population constituted provinces of the empire…..they did not become Turks or Persians.

“”” You dont know who is who , you have no idea about the history of the regiion . At least show the decency to shut up now instead of posting to me over and over for damage control.”””

You are speaking of yourself, you should show the decency to not take my words out of context to formulate your accusation.

You have not said anything of value in this conversation, except taking my words out of context to cover your ignorance.

Luna

Jose , if something is banal to you or if you dont have an idea about this , then dont speak about it.

If you did not mean a relation between persians and babylonians / mesopotamians why you felt the necessity to write such an irrelevant post ?

No – the argument is not about about the Iranian heritage being greater than the ottoman heritage. This argument is on Iran being a shithole governed by some backwards fanatics , something you also know very well but can not confess simply because you are not honest even to yourself. This is also what you are trying to do with yr half assed posts about, who preceded who , what Alexander the Great did , hellenism , how rich was Cyrus which is nothing but romantic bullshit you are trying to use in ordxer to hide these plain facts.

So what yr argument is here exactly , is it ‘Hmm . persian kings were so rich 3000 years ago, so todays iran is not a shithole ‘ is that it ?

I am simply fed up with yr semi ignorant statements , yr efforts to to control the damage you have done to yourself with yr uninformed posts.

But I agree on one thing , there is no value in this conversation – It is me and some random guy who tries to keep its head above the water while he jumps from oner branch to another to hide his shortcomings.

Jesus

Your delusional dreams continue, you are not even able to swim, let alone float and have a intelligent conversation.
Yes, there is no value in a conversation where one side does the talking and the other side takes statements out of context to try and respond.

Jesus

The Immense Wealth of the Persian Kings

The Persian quisling] Tiridates led Alexander [the Great] into a large building behind the palace of Xerxes [at Persepolis] that served as both an armory for the royal bodyguard and a repository for the king’s wealth. Diffused light filtered through a series of openings in the roof above and washed gently over the tons of gold and silver bullion that had been neatly and methodically stored there. Within the treasury building were 120,000 talents of bullion, the largest single concentration of wealth to be found anywhere in the ancient world.

Darius I had imposed a tribute of precious metals in addition to a tribute of goods on his satraps and on the subject nations of the empire. Instead of converting that tribute into coins that could then have been put into circulation, Darius and his successors had it melted and then formed into ingots of gold and silver. The bars were stored in the palace treasury, and when the kings of Persia needed to finance particular projects, wars, or adventures, the precious metals were cast into coins. It was Darius who had introduced the coining of money into the empire; hence, the Persian coin became known as the Daric. Until that time, the empire had been administered largely on the basis of barter.

A talent weighed 57 pounds, there were 90,000 talents of gold and 30,000 talents of silver in Persepolis alone, without taking into account the other reposatory cities in the empire, and all the coinage that was used for trade throughout the empire.

Next time you call Iran a shit hole, remember their heritage is superior to anything the Ottoman Empire ever offered.

Successive generations of Persian kings had dipped into the treasury and spent vast sums on themselves. Over the years, they had spent great amounts on administering and expanding the empire and had dispensed large sums in fighting, hiring, and bribing the Greeks. Yet no matter how much money the kings spent, every year at the New Year ceremony more came in to replenish and add to the royal coffers. In the treasury building at Persepolis, Alexander was shown the full measure of how wealthy the Achaemenid kings of Persia had been and how wealthy he had now become.

Luna

So your argument is ; they were very rich once so they can not be a shithole. Egypt once once so rich and glorious now it is another shithole . Any objections ?

Here is the question you dodged over and over , Jose. Quit spamming bullshit and try replying once.

They regyme in Iran jails women who dont wear headscarves, whips alcohol consumers to death , hangs people on streets , rape girls before they execute them just because you can not execute virgins as per their beliefs. And the list goes on .

Do you consider this regyme as a progressive one or a backwards one ?
Do you want to live under this regyme ?

Go ahead .. You flanked on history and economy knowledge Lets see yr honesty and personal integrity now.

Jesus

“”” So your argument is ; they were very rich once so they can not be a shithole. Egypt once once so rich and glorious now it is another shithole . Any objections ?”””

When I was in Europe and rented a car, I asked them if I could take the car to Turkey…..they said no, implying it was a shithole.

“”” They regyme in Iran jails women who dont wear headscarves, whips alcohol consumers to death , hangs people on streets , rape girls before they execute them just because you can not execute virgins as per their beliefs. And the list goes on .”””

I already replied to you already, that is their interpretation of the Koran. I am not a muslin, I did not read the Koran, I am a Christian.

If you want to compare the Koran to Bible, Jesus Christ said, I am the truth the way and life. Case closed.

Luna

When you are in Europe next time ask if you can go to Japan, Russia or the USA with that car. And when they say no you can come here and post another argument and tell us that they implied the US, Russia and Japan was a shithole. Like all yr arguments, this one is fallacious as well.

If you don’t have any idea about what Kuran says, then don’t comment about it.

If you don’t want to live in a regime, then don’t defend it and claim that it is doing good for its people.

Jose, your above comment clearly proves that you are a hypocrite. Your ideas are shaped by what you like or what is good for your interests, but not by what is right or what is wrong. Hope you will find yr integrity in your life and learn to be honest in some part of your life. That’s when the case will be closed – not when you post some bullshit from a so called prophet who did nothing but stole the teachings of Sumerians, Babylonians, and other civilizations of the ancient era.

Jesus

“””” When you are in Europe next time ask if you can go to Japan, Russia or the USA with that car. And when they say no you can come here and post another argument and tell us that they implied the US, Russia and Japan was a shithole. Like all yr arguments, this one is fallacious as well.”””

You are so pathetic is not even funny, Turkey has been trying to join the European Union economic block for decades, something they the EU refused repeatedly because Turkey chose to remain a shithole.

“”” Jose, your above comment clearly proves that you are a hypocrite. Your ideas are shaped by what you like or what is good for your interests, but not by what is right or what is wrong. Hope you will find yr integrity in your life and learn to be honest in some part of your life”””

I represent God’s interests, God is not a hypocrite, neither am I a hypocrite. What I say is carefully measured to be all truth without bias. If I make some mistakes, they are not deliberate.

“”” you post some bullshit from a so called prophet who did nothing but stole the teachings of Sumerians, Babylonians, and other civilizations of the ancient era.”””

God was involved with humanity from the beginning of time, if Sumerians and Babylonians had some elements of God’s truth, that is possible.
Jesus Christ said, I am the truth the way and life, and he is the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Luna

No mate, you are the clown around here. So will you next time ask to go to Russia with yr rental car and call Russia a shithole when they say no?

No, you don’t represent God’s interests, you are a hypocrite even trying to deceşve yr ownself, know yourself first.

So considering that you acknowledged ”Sumerians and Babylonians had elements of God’s truth, ”do you also worship Sumerian gods as well?

Where are you from, Jose?

Jesus

Russia is not part of EU, neither does it desire to be.
Turkey on the other hand through policies of its own alienated any possibility of being in EU.
Why is Slovenia or Latvia part of EU and Turkey is not?

“”” No, you don’t represent God’s interests, you are a hypocrite even trying to deceşve yr ownself, know yourself first.”””

Lol, do you know me? As far as you lying and misrepresenting statements I made, I say a tree is known by its fruit.

“”” So considering that you acknowledged ”Sumerians and Babylonians had elements of God’s truth, ”do you also worship Sumerian gods as well?”””

No, Jesus Christ is the fullness of truth.
Sumerians and Babylonians might have had bits of truth.

Luna

First it was car rental and now EU accession , seems that you are jumping from one branch to another once again when your argument are debunked.

TR was/is too big for EU accession Jose, plus she is amuslim country.

I know you enough , you are blatantly lying , dodging questions when truth does not suit yr interests, trying to warp realities if those realities are not in line with yr benefits . I rightfully question yr integrity and honesty . You are not someone I would respect ( even a foe may deserve respect if his honesty and integrity is not compromised – but unfortunately you dont fit this picture)

Why are you refraining to disclose from where you are , Jose ? Are you afraid of telling the truths as usual ?

Jesus

Do you consider this regyme as a progressive one or a backwards one ?

First of all Jose, given your nature of taking things out of context aka lying, I do not put much substance in your accusations about the Iranian society.
I like them because they are the underdog and refuse to give up their sovereignty to the Fed or ECB and work through their difficulties due to sanctions imposed on them.

Luna

Jose , of course , as usual you can not say a simple yes or no. Instead , you will again try to stir up with some bullshit about ECB , FED or sanctions .

Their being underdog does not change the fact that they being governed by a backwards regyme from 15th century, does it ? Do we have to close our eyes to that mediveal regime ust because they are being sanctioned by some countries or organisations you dont like ?

Here once again ; Do you consider this regyme as a progressive one or a backwards one ?n Go ahead , try to reply it – Its is aimple question.

When you man up and grow balls to reply it with a simple yes or no , please do not hesitate to adress me .

Jesus

“”” Here once again ; Do you consider this regyme as a progressive one or a backwards one ?n Go ahead , try to reply it – Its simple question.”””

So what if it’s backward? Being progressive means perversion of truth.
So you think your progressive interpretation of the Koran is the truth.

Luna

So its is backwards .. Now we are talking.

Kuran, just like the bible and Torah belongs to the dustbins of history, just like bigots worshipping these.

Now next question, why you are defending a regime that suppresses and kills people ?

May it be due to the reason that it suits yr interests today?

While you hate capitalism,,new world order, colonialism and imperialism, you side yourselves with worse regimes, and police states such as Russian and Chinese ones , and their retarded siblings namely North Korean and Iranian regimes. Unfortunately, TR is to the same path with them and heading to be a police state as well.

The present regime in Iran is a backwards one, turned country into shithole within 4-5 decades and breeding single-minded clowns like most of the Iranians here. A truth we both know, but a truth which you can not confess here.

Jesus

You are in no position to judge anyone since you are a progressive and have no standards of what is right and wrong.
You are like a blade of grass that leans in whichever direction the wind blows.
I said I am done talking to you. Bye.

Luna

That ha been a hard day for you , you met yr real self here . Bye.

Jesus

Ha, ha, can’t speak with a clueless brick wall.

Luna

Hey look here , clown made a joke. Lets laugh all together

Little bigoted clown without self respect from another shithole country

Jesus

Here is for you brick wall, Turkey is a shithole, some sanctions are in effect, we’ll see how well you cope with the sanctions compared to the Iranians. Your pathetic shit hole country like the gulf states, sponsor and defend terrorists,
are deeply involved in genocide of Kurds, Armenians and Greeks, Russia has your number, maybe a megaton warhead detonated in Bosphorus could wash up some shit and clean the shithole.

Luna

The little bible clown gets angry and prays for destruction of a whole city with a population of 18 Million undet a nuclear bomb . How christian it is … LMFAO.

Coward , why you cant tell me where are you from ?
What are you afraid of ?

Russia does not have anyones number , she is dealing with her problems like alcoholism, declining population , increasing muslim population and western hostility. A nd that ‘megaton warhead’ lives only in yr dreams while you bark from yr shithole country as you try to hide behind the legs of your masters , ie russians.

Ah , btw – Your Russian masters are the masters of genocide . Ask ukranians and circassians as well as many others.

Jesus

Listen up brick wall, I said wash up the shithole, not burn it.
Brick wall, instead of pointing to supposed atrocities other countries commit, why don’t you give account of YOUR genocidal crimes against the Armenians whereby you killed a million and a half people marching them through the Syrian deserts. How about your genocide against the Greeks and Kurds? How about supporting and defending Islamic headchoppers in Idlib……etc.
Speak up brick wall, you hypocrite!

Jesus

Come on brick wall, you hypocrite, are Turkish atrocities so hard for you to defend? Why did the Turks kill 1.5 million Armenians?

Luna

Here comes the coward again posting from a shithole he can not disclose.

As a general rule , when you betray yr country and collobrate with russians while your country is fighting a world war in 7 different fronts , you end up in nort caucasus or in deir zor deserts.

Imperial countries are based on attrocities jose , just like the russians you are hiding behind their legs. What you can not accept christians being screwed by muslims. When it is the other way around , you are quite fine with it. Hypocrisy at its best.

Ps : I promise I wont mock with yr country , dont be so scared . LMFAO.

Jesus

Listen up brick wall, I already indicated where I am from.
You are too dense to figure it out.
The reason Turks killed Armenians and Greeks was to steal their property and assets.
Not only has Turkey been a shithole for centuries, they are thieves who kill and steal, trying to get out of their shithole status.

Why are the Turks killers and thieves brick wall ?
That killing and stealing happened in Syria for a decade and is happening today.
So the Syrians betrayed Turkey for all the plundering and killing as you idiotically claim the Armenians and Greeks betrayed the Turkish empire?

You are defending the actions of murderers and thieves, and most likely you are a thief and murderer in your heart.

Luna

Jose, you moron. Why do you ‘ indicate ‘ instead of you telling it openly, come on, I won’t you hurt you that bad. After all, you are a naive bible clown with limited abilities from another shithole country barking behind his master’s legs.

If you were not a plain moron, you could understand that you don’t need to kill someone to seize their assets and wealth. BTW, the Assad family sheltered PKK terrorists as well as their leaders Abdullah Ocalan for decades.

Maybe you should read something other than the bible ( but I am not so hopeful about it after I saw how you flunked in history and economy ) and get some info on Armenian collaboration with invading the Russian army or how greek minority in Anatolia joined the greek army during Greco Turkish wars.

So what you have hand are shallow cliches you heard from here and there – Why you can not say a single word about your Russian masters who has countless genocides under their belt or to your Christian friends who cleansed multiple races, introduced the world with slavery, atrocities and coined the word ‘apartheid ‘? But that’s not something unusual, that’s usually the common trait of you bible clowns, especially Orthodox ones I am really bored from the hypocrisy of your kind.

Now tell me where you are from minion, hiding behind some shadows and barking from there will not do you any good. Man up first.

Jesus

Listen brick wall I do not need your BS contending that assets and property can be sized without killing, Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians and 1 million Greeks to confiscate their property and money to elevate their shithole country from a feudal state to a more modern shithole.

Listen brick wall give me some reliable sources where Armenians and Greeks constituted a national security for the shithole called Turkey, instead of your idiotic conjecture. I got plenty of sources…..but you are a brick wall.

So what if Assad family sheltered Ocalan, that gives shithole Turkey the right to encourage a civil war, recruit Islamic head hopper mercenaries, support ISIS, steal Syrian oil and
Industrial assets.

Turks are murderers and thieves, and you condoning such action makes you a thief and murderer.

What have we found about brick wall from the conversation of the past few days?

1. He takes statements out of context, aka lies to make counterpoints that have no validity and are without substance.
2. He condones Turkish killing and thievery blaming others, Armenians, Greeks, Ocalan, PKK for such actions.
3. Brick wall is an infidel criticizing Iran for their religious practices, while shithole Turkey wants to champion the Moslem cause worldwide.

Luna

Yes you can seize
peoples goods with appropriate laws
without killing them. But I understand you , when you accept this simple
fact , then there will be no reason for
yr ‘genocide’ . After all , why kill people when you can get their goods and
deport them. ? This leaves only one explanation for mass deportation and
killing of armenians . Their betrayal .
Thats the reason you are so pissed to hear it.

And see what happened to all those betrayers , one became a
worthless pawn of Europe , the other one
armenia, aka the ultimate shithole ,
became a Russian satellite.

Regarding the links you asked for , I gave a few in my previous comment go & fetch . Btw I would also
critize TR if it becomes such a shithole in future.

Assad sheltered PKK and
Ocalan for decades hence responsible for death 50.000 people with in Turkey. And may be it
is time for you to accept that a %90 sunni country may not be willing led by a
shia dictator anymore. And may be you
shoud back up your bullshit about supporting ISIS , stealing oil and stealing
the industial wealth of Syria especially
considering that cities surrounding syria are much developed and wealthy
than syrian cities. Go bring me reliable
sources instead of spitting what you have heard from here and there there
, you little coward.

It is amusing to see how you get pissed of when debunked but
keep on repeating the same genocide story you are fed with , while hiding
behind the legs of your Russian masters of genocide and even can not say word about them.

So ,what have we
found about Jose the bible clown from
the conversation of the past few days?

1.
Mr clown misses dates , is clueless about the people of
the region . Lacks basic history and economy knowledge. He cannot reply to any
question properly , leaves an argument when he is debunked and reverts with
another one to try his luck again.

Lack of sufficient knowledge ande education.

2.
He is a devout christian but nukes megapols when he is
pissed of .

Lack of sufficient belief and lack of ethics.

3.
He can not
disclose where he is from Lack of self
confidence

4.
He tries to hide his shortcomings with fallacies ( car rental / shithole country fallacy ,
failure to bring a locigal explanation when he is asked why he supports a
backwards regime ) Lack of honesty and lack of personal integrity.

5.
He thinks everyone must
believe the ancient stories he believes in . Lack of intelligence and
sanity.

I have a few more , want to hear them as well ?

Jesus

Yea, you are right in your own eyes,

“”” Yes you can seize peoples goods with appropriate laws without killing them. But I understand you , when you accept this simple fact , then there will be no reason for yr ‘genocide’ . After all , why kill people when you can get their goods and deport them. ? This leaves only one explanation for mass deportation and

killing of armenians . Their betraya. Thats the reason you are so pissed to hear it.”””

I am not interested in Turk apologists, betrayal…lol, when the Turks lost the Balkan war, they blamed it on the Christians in the Balkans, not themselves.
When they lost the war in Caucasus they attributed to Armenian betrayal, non on Enver who was so desperate to campaign in the winter and ended up with more frozen Turks than KIA.

There were no appropriate laws to seize property illegally in the Ottoman constitution.

‘’ The only notable domestic opposition was by Ottoman parliamentary representative Ahmed Riza, who stated:

It is unlawful to designate the Armenian assets as “abandoned goods” for the Armenians, the proprietors, did not abandon their properties voluntarily; they were forcibly, compulsorily removed from their domiciles and exiled. Now the government through its efforts is selling their goods … Nobody can sell my property if I am unwilling to sell it. Article 21 of the Constitution forbids it. If we are a constitutional regime functioning in accordance with constitutional law we can’t do this. This is atrocious. Grab my arm, eject me from my village, then sell my goods and properties, such a thing can never be permissible. Neither the conscience of the Ottomans nor the law can allow it.[29]

Turkish thievery violating the Ottoman constitution, to appropriate themselves 30 tons of gold, and….

‘’’Although the exact extent of confiscated property during the Armenian Genocide is unknown, according to Talaat Pasha’s private documents, the chief initiator of the Tehcir Law,[40] a total of 20,545 buildings were confiscated including 267,536 acres of land along with other parcels of agricultural and tillable lands such as 76,942 acres of vineyards, 703,941 acres of olive groves, and 4,573 acres of mulberry gardens.[41][42] Along with the confiscation of physical land, Ottoman state took over life insurance policies from the Armenians. Talaat Pasha justified Ottoman actions by stating that the Armenians were “practically all dead … and have left no heirs to collect the money. It of course all escheats to the State. The Government is the beneficiary now.”[43]’’’

Turkish thievery on grand scale brick wall.

Luna

Here is another ‘’master piece’’ from the coward .

So you claim that it is illegal to confiscate people goods as per law , but ‘genocide’ is with in limits of law , is that what you are claiming?

Let me put it as simple as possible , so that even you can comprehend ..

YOU, armenians betrayed your own state during war time and faced the consequences , live with ( did you like the links I I have posted ? you were the one asking for it ) There is no apologist here , noone needs to – Your treachery and treason was punished appropriately . It was a mistake to deport you to Deir Zor or to that shithole called armenia. You shud be dealt much more
seriously .

Let me draw you a more clear picture of you guys before WW1 ; while muslim male citizens of the state was dying in various fronts , being free of military obligations, you treacherous piglets were getting richer and richer making advantage of decreasing male population of the state. But this was not enough for you , the last stage of yr betrayal was to cllaborate with the enemy and form gangs to cleanse the lands for others running after the derams of Greater armenia.

By the way where are the graves of those 1,5 million people ?

If you were so rich , why today’s armenia is a poor shithole after 106 years ?

The best part is the part how Russia whom you hoped to embrace you screwed you and sent you to death in cattle wagons in Stalin era. LMFAO

But look what happened in the end . Now you are living in a lanlocked shithole. What do you call it ,divine justice ?

Jesus

“”” So you claim that it is illegal to confiscate people goods as per law , but ‘genocide’ is with in limits of law , is that what you are claiming?””

What Talat Pasha did was contrary to the Ottoman constitution, by confiscating Armenian assets and selling them while they still were alive.
I never said genocide is within the limits of the law.

“”” Let me draw you a more clear picture of you guys before WW1 ; while muslim male citizens of the state was dying in various fronts , being free of military obligations, you treacherous piglets were getting richer and richer making advantage of decreasing male population of the state”””

Armenians served in the Turkish armed forces,
On August 1, 1914 World War I started. All the men in the Empire from 18 to 45 were conscripted to the army, among them also 60 thousand Armenian men, who joined those already serving in the Ottoman army. … Thousands of Armenian soldiers and army suppliers were cruelly killed by their Turkish companions-in-arms.

Where do you get the idea that Armenians did not serve in the Turkish forces before Ww1?
Sultans took tribute of of young boys from concquered Christian countries and trained to,be jannisaries.

Armenian Officials with Military Rank

A wide field opened for Armenians to serve in the government beginning in the middle of the 19th century. In addition to other state departments, Armenians were employed in positions of responsibility in the Naval and War Ministries. Some of these officials were granted high military ranks during their terms of service. Andon Yaver Pasha Tengrian worked in the translations office at the Sublime Ports and later on in the steam-ship division. He served as the personal secretary to Eomer Pasha, the commander of Ottoman forces during the Crimean War. Andon Pasha went on to become the Head of the Steamship Division, the Director of the Royal Navy and Director of the Foreign Languages Correspondence Office attached to the Ministry of War. In 1875 he became military commander for Rumelia receiving the rank of Beylerbeyi, (Ottoman Turkish for “Bey of Beys”, meaning “Commander of Commanders”) and was bestowed with the title of Pasha.

Hovsep Pasha Vartanian served in the Ottoman Naval Ministry for 25 years. During the 1853-1856 Crimean War he served as the First Translator attached to the Ottoman Navy and was granted the title of Pasha. Toros Bey Gisak was also an official in the Ottoman military fleet with the rank of colonel.

Garabet Artin Pasha Tavutian and Hovhannes Pasha Kuyumdjian, Armenian governors from Lebanon, held the rank of Marshal. Before assuming the office of governor of Lebanon they held diplomatic posts and didn’t have any military titles. Perhaps it was an important condition for governors of Lebanon to have a military rank especially given the fact that this region was the site of interracial warfare.

Another Armenian serving in the Ottoman Army with the rank of Marshal was Ferdi Pasha Terjimanian, the Chief Pharmacist of the overall Ottoman Army.

Jesus

“”” 1. Mr clown misses dates , is clueless about the people of the region . Lacks basic history and economy knowledge. He cannot reply to any question properly , leaves an argument when he is debunked and reverts with another one to try his luck again. Lack of sufficient knowledge ande education.”””

What did you debunk brick wall? Is that a pipe dream of yours?

I lack basic history, …..really? Because I said the Turks came into Anatolia in the 1300. In 1243 the mongols destroyed the Seljuks, for all purposes it collapsed and the mongols controlled Anatolia. In 1299 the Ottoman principality (Osmanlı Beyliği) started to emerge and take over Anatolia.
So, technically I was not wrong since I was thinking in terms of Turks being ottomans. If you want to split hairs in regards to differences between Seljuks and Ottomans, I am glad to oblige.

Luna

Yes official Turkish entry to anatolia is 1071 with Manzıkert war . You missed it with abut 230 years . At least show the decency to shut up and move on.

Seljuks are also Turks and they were already in Anatolia more than 2 centuries before Ottoman empire was established. Next time be carefull when you post something because I am really bored of correcting yr mistakes.

Jesus

The Seljuk empire was destroyed by mongols….the beginning of the Ottoman Empire was in 1299.

Servet Köseoğlu

Dont feed him anymore he is biased..

Jesus

“”” Lacks basic economy knowledge”””

Brick wall, your understanding of QE’s is infantile.
Let me give you some baby talk, the central banks print money out of thin air without any tangible collateral, and banks can access this money and use it in a way that is expedient for them…..and not the country. There are exceptions, but most of the money is diverted to the financial industry for increasing asset valuations.

How did you refute this statement?

Jesus

“”” He cannot reply to any question properly , leaves an argument when he is debunked and reverts with another one to try his luck again. Lack of sufficient knowledge ande education.”””

Right brick wall, you are dreaming again, what have you debunked?

Luna

Why you cant reply my questions about iran properly ?why you can not say anything about iranian regime openly ? why you can not reply when I ask you about the crimes of your masters ,ie russians ? Why you can not condemn Holdaomor and Circassian genicodes ? And the list goes on .

Go ahead bible clown , I am all ears ..

Jesus

We are talking about Turkey and their crimes against humanity, not Russia or Iran.
I said the young Turks were thieves and murderers, killing Armenians and confiscating all their property in violation of the Ottoman constitution.
And Erdogan is a thief and a murderer leading Turkey on the same path in pursuit of regional relevance.

Servet Köseoğlu

Armenians started all violence but yeah ı can say that you are biased account.

Jesus

“”” 2. He is a devout christian but nukes megapols when he is pissed of . Lack of sufficient belief and lack of ethics.”””

I take it English is not your first language, when God starts judging this world, you wish you were not born.
Lol, I lack sufficient belief and I lack ethics, you do not even know me……so why are you lying to me infidel?

Luna

What do you call a bible clown who wishes for the nuclear destruction of a 18 million city ?

2 questions and 2 conclusions here ;

1. How a person , who claims to live his life with the teachings of Jesus openly wishes for terrible death of 18 million people ? How do you justify such a wish with the teachings of your bible ( lack of sufficient belief )

2. How a concious man wishes such a thing ? ( lack of ethics )

Wrath . My Favourite sin . LMFAO.

Jesus

First of all, you do not know the extent of the destruction Jesus Christ will cause at His second coming, so don’t give me the piety of a fuddy dud Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is a mighty warrior who will destroy all those that disobey Him with fire.

“”” How a concious man wishes such a thing ? ( lack of ethics )”””

How can a perfect God throw sinners in the lake of fire?
There is love and mercy and eventual judgement by fire.
I take it you think God is without ethics….you are wrong, God is perfect, whatever He does is perfect, regardless of what you anyone else thinks.

Wrath . My Favourite sin . LMFAO.

Jesus

“”” 3.He can not disclose where he is from Lack of self confidence”””

Why should I disclose where I am from, to an adversary who has no ethics or is interested in truth?

Luna

You can not disclose because being a coward it is easy for you to speak behind the shadows . This limits yr opponent to stay with in the borders you are drawing whilke hiding yr real face and real aim .

Cowardice at its best .

Jesus

That is your explanation, and it shows me you are more interested in hyped up ideology vs actual reality.

Jesus

“”” 4. He tries to hide his shortcomings with fallacies ( car rental / shithole country fallacy , failure to bring a locigal explanation when he is asked why he supports a
backwards regime ) Lack of honesty and lack of personal integrity.”””

Lol, why is not Turkey part of the EU market?
Every NATO member is part of the EU market except Turkey.
What does that tell you….I do not even comment.

I do not support Iran per se, however, I am sympathetic to their cause because they are the most resilient and decent (in terms of regional stability) Muslim country.

5. He thinks everyone must believe the ancient stories he believes in . Lack of intelligence and sanity.

Luna

Is Britain a member of EU ? What about USA ? Is USA a member of EU ?
Are Albania, Croatia , Montenegro, and North Macedonia EU members ?
All abhove countriesare NATO members.

Jose , you are going down with each and every comment of yours . When will you learn about avoiding to speak about the things you dont know ?

Just like yr car rental / shithole country thesis yr above argument is also wrong , thats what exactly I was trying to tell. Thanks for proving my point again . LMFAO.

Jesus

“”” Are Albania, Croatia , Montenegro, and North Macedonia EU members ?”””

No, they are shitholes countries like Turkey.

“”” Is Britain a member of EU ? ”””
They were until the brexit.

“”” What about USA ? Is USA a member of EU ?”””

I am taking about European countries that are member of EU while being in NATO and those that are in NATO and were not part of the EU.

You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel, these are the type of idiotic responses you provide without taking the context into consideration.
You are not about substance, you are knit picking things that are banal. So you remember, we were talking about Turkey being a shithole country.

“”” Just like yr car rental / shithole country thesis yr above argument is also wrong , thats what exactly I was trying to tell.””

You are not saying anything meaningful, what I said is correct, if you want to be infantile and go beyond the context of what I am saying, don’t call me wrong….call yourself outclassed, unable to provide any substantive information or dialogue.

“”” Jose , you are going down with each and every comment of yours . When will you learn about avoiding to speak about the things you dont know ?”””

Brick wall, you know nothing, you strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.

So, tell me ….why is not Turkey part of EU?
I’d like to hear an intelligent answer, not based on Türk apologists, but reality.

Servet Köseoğlu

Not only has Turkey been a shithole for centuries, they are thieves who kill and steal, trying to get out of their shithole status.

actually you are shit eater..and shut your filthy mouth..pathetic moron..what are you gonna do now?can you stop us?syria is fucked dumbass dont whine anymore.Stupid moron pouring its shitty,smelly poison..We kicked greeks,armenians to their shithole and they can never return it even in their wildest dreams…

Jesus

Besides having a sense of entitlement, you smoke a pipe dream.

Servet Köseoğlu

ands you are sneaky racist besides iran is shit-hole and you can not change my mind about that.ı will not allow it..xD Repeat after me now iran is shit-hole.

Jesus

EU would never let you become a member until you remedied your human rights violations and stop Erdogan political banditry.

Servet Köseoğlu

no iran is bandit and terrorist country and Usa has perfect super military…

Jesus

“””” As a general rule , when you betray yr country and collobrate with russians while your country is fighting a world war in 7 different fronts , you end up in nort caucasus or in deir zor deserts.”””

Lol, shithole Turkey fighting on 7 fronts…..the Turks lost the campaign against the Russians in Caucasus, at Sarikamish, because inept execution by their generals, trying to execute some combo Napoleonic/German movement concept of moving corps and deploying them on the battle field at the same time…and lack of supplies and proper winter clothing, whereby tens of thousands Turkish troops froze to death.
It was Turkish military ineptitude, not treachery of Armenians and Greeks that defeated the Turkish war effort.
There are plenty of links on the matter that support my statements, however, I will not bother listing them since they do not mean anything to you, hence you are a brick wall.

Simply said, a shithole army led by Turkish inept generals attempted to do what Napoleon did with his corps movement and deployment and failed.
The defeat was blamed on Armenians.

You infidel, show me some links to justify your BS about Armenian treachery causing Turkish defeat Sarikamish.

Do it…..or shut your mouth.

Save your BS and distorted conjecture without viable proof.

Luna

Jose , they would still be punished for collaboration with enemy if Ottomans won WW1. So your ‘historical theory ‘ goes bust even at its first line.

”As World War I threatened and the Ottoman Army mobilized,
Armenians who should have served their country instead took the side of the Russians. The Ottoman Army reported: “From Armenians with conscription obligations those in towns and villages East of the Hopa-Erzurum-Hinis-Van line did not comply with the call to enlist but have proceeded East to the border to
join the organization in Russia.” The effect of this is obvious: If the young Armenian males of the “zone of desertion” had served in the Army, they would have provided more than 50,000 troops. If they had served, there might never have been a Sarikamish defeat.”

In Eastern Anatolia, Armenians formed bands to fight a
guerilla war against their government. Others fled only to return with the Russian Army, serving as scouts and advance units for the Russian invaders. It was those who stayed behind who were the greatest danger to the Ottoman war effort and the greatest danger to the lives of the Muslims of Eastern Anatolia.

https://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/Armenia/justin.html

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When war broke out the sympathies of many Armenians,
particularly Orthodox Christians, lay with the neighboring Orthodox Christian-majority Russian Empire, not the Muslim-majority Ottoman Empire by which they were ruled. While many Armenian men served in the Ottoman Army, some crossed the
border to join the Russian Army, and others formed guerrilla bands to fight Ottoman forces behind the front lines.

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/ottoman-empire/armenians-suffering

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The Armenian volunteer units (Armenian:
Հայ կամավորական ջոկատներ Hay kamavorakan jokatner) were units composed of Armenians within the Imperial Russian Army during World War I. Composed of several groups at battalion strength, its ranks were primarily made up of Armenians from the Russian Empire, though there were also a number of Armenians from the Ottoman Empire. The Russian-Armenian volunteer units took part in military activities in the Middle Eastern theater of World
War I.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_volunteer_units

There is mnothing to justify . They tried and lost .And they are still crying since then.

Jesus

Brick wall, you talk about 50,000 Armenians in Caucasus who supposedly refused to join Ottoman forces and constituted about 17% of the population, how about Turkish and Kurdish conscripts?
If Turkish conscripts were used, Enver’s army in Caucasus should have numbered over 300,000, instead of 118,000.

Enver because of his military ineptitude should have faced a firing squad, instead he blames the Armenians.
Hasan Izzet commander of the X th corps advised him to assume a defensive position centered around Erzurum, he was replaced by a Enver “yes “ man.

Hamidian massacres caused the Armenians to arm themselves for self protection, since the Ottomans and Kurds were responsible for such massacres.

There is nothing wrong defending your property and self.

Luna

Enver was a narcissist fool. . But his aptitude and his ego which surpassed his abilities do not justify Armenian treachery.

Hamidiye regiments were established in 1891. Armenian uprisings start in June 1890 in Sanasaryan boarding school. These mutinies are the reason why Hamidye regiments were formed , not the way around. They were also dissolved in 1910, 5 years before yr so-called ‘genocide’ Your claims and actual chronology y does not fit as usual.

The fact is plain and simple. While the empire was weakening, Armenians were getting wealthier as they were not obliged to join the army . After a while they said ‘ hey we are becoming richer, empire is dissolving , why don’t we try our luck , collaborate with our religious Russian brothers , carve east Anatolia for us from the empire and build greater Armenia. ” They tried and they lost the gamble, now it is time for all of you to face it like a man.

Jesus

“”” Enver was a narcissist fool. .His capacity and his ego which surpassed his abilities. But this does not justify Armenian treachery.”””

If Enver was such a narcissist fool, why do I have to believe him about Armenian treachery?

“”” Hamidiye regiments were established in 1891. Armenian uprisings started during June 1890 in Sanasaryan boarding school. These mutinies are the reason why Hamidye regiments were formed , not the way around. ”””

Hamedian massacres were not related to young Turks atrocities.
What mutiny in the Sanasaryan boarding school? I find nothing in my sources.

In most part Armenians in Constantinople and elsewhere were looking at the Wester powers to pressure Turkey to allow them some level of local autonomy, not necessarily align themselves with Russia, except for those in Caucasus area.

Servet Köseoğlu

Why did the russians killed ten thousands of circassians you hypocrite?you dont have any dignity even to answer do you?

Jesus

The discussion was about making a comparison between Iran and Turkey.

Servet Köseoğlu

ı thought you were nice,not racist man…sorry its my mistake.Never bother,write you again.

Jesus

I am not racist, I deal with the real world.

Servet Köseoğlu

but it doent change the fact that İRAN İS SHİT-HOLE.

Jesus

You don’t like Iranians, Iranians don’t like you, leave me out of your religious induced strife.
I make military, political and economic analysis on discussed subjects, and I do not carry any historical baggage like you do. Even though the Turks and communists repressed my family, I have no desire for vengeance or hatred towards them.
I am done responding to your accusations and presumptions.
So, post elsewhere if you find SF lacking people with little gray matter.

Servet Köseoğlu

its my concern and ı am already done with you as soon as ı realized your dishonest cherry-picking far from reality.

Jesus

Ok, I am not replying anything to you.

Servet Köseoğlu

NO..discussion was about Turkiish ship but you interjected your bs to sencer-farbat duel.İran is shit-hole.

Jesus

There was a war of over hundred years, between Russia and Circassian people, yes, what the Russians did was inexcusable.
Regarding the Armenian genocide, Armenians lived within the Turkish borders.

Servet Köseoğlu

it was self-defence..iran is shit-hole.

Servet Köseoğlu

ACTUALLY PERSİAN EMPİRE WAS ALSO SHİT-HOLE

Jesus

“””ACTUALLY PERSİAN EMPİRE WAS ALSO SHİT-HOLE”””

Actually repository in Persepolis held gold reserves of 2500 tons. There were other repository cities in the Persian empire.

Servet Köseoğlu

Persian Empire, there were the Elamites, Mesopotamians and Babylon kingdoms WERE ALSO SHİT-HOLE

Jesus

“”” Persian Empire, there were the Elamites, Mesopotamians and Babylon kingdoms WERE ALSO SHİT-HOLE”””

Conjecture and reality are two different things.

farbat

argue with your own people about these issues because its not as if you did hear this the first time about turkey when these issues are great issues internally for turkeys future survival

Luna

Farbat , forget Saudi Arabia and others. Just concentrate on how many years your İran will be around before it falls into 3 pieces.

Iran is a shithole and you are the uneducated and brainwashed son of that shithole trying to promote yr backwards country , but noone buys because noone is a fool.

Keep posting 20 messages one after another desperately trying to reply a single message. It is a real fun to watch.

Jesus

How about some statistics? Iran exports a little over 100 billion, importing about 50 billion, a nice surplus in PPP terms for a country that is heavily sanctioned;
Turkey’s exports are at 166 billion while imports amount to 210 billion, almost 50 billion trade deficit.

Gross external debt for Iran is almost 8 Billion while Turkey’s is 450 billion.

Foreign reserves of 85 billion for each country.
Given the fact that Iran is under severe sanctions and going beyond Erdo’s bombastic claims, Iran is doing quite well economically considering the situation.

Luna

Switzerland has a foreign debt of 1.7 trillion usd and germany has 5,3 trillion usd – So with yr mentality Iran is in better position than both.

Do you want top know the truth , Jose ? Iran sits on the worlds biggest resources while its bigoted , backwards and fanatical regyme breeds morons like farbat and more than half of its population lives below poverty line .

”The Iranian Labour News Agency (ILNA) published on October 4 a report
suggesting that 70 percent of “ordinary workers” could afford only 33
percent of their basic needs. Hamidreza Emamgholitabar, an official of
Labor Unions Supreme Council, on September 25 told Bourse Press that
more than half the country’s population were in absolute poverty, basing
this on an “optimistic” average wage of 30 million rials per month,
equal to $100 at the current exchange rate.”

https://iranintl.com/en/iran/statistics-suggest-half-iranians-living-poverty

LOL , having world biggets resources and living in a shithole below poverty line. . What a success..

daniel

Correct numbers.

Jesus

“”” Switzerland has a foreign debt of 1.7 trillion usd and germany has 5,3 trillion usd – So with yr mentality Iran is in better position than both.”””

Lol, so ECB and their printing machines producing euros out
of thin air compared to a sanctioned economy?

“”” LOL , having world biggest resources and living in a shithole below poverty line. . What a success.”””

You wish Turkey had Iran’s resources? Iran’s crude exports are rising, the COVID and related economic effects are being contained, and for a sanctioned economy these hardships are expected, Russia experienced such issues after 2014, they became more self reliant, Iran can do the same thing using some of its foreign reserves.
That is the price to pay when you stand up against zionists.

Luna

Jose , you completely lost it : Are you seriously comparing Switzerland and German economies with a shithole like Iran , Are you also aware that Switzerland has nothing to do with ECB ? What kind of argument you have about japan which has almost 3,5 billion usd foreign debt ? Here goes yr ‘ But ECB printing money’ argument to the dustbin. LMFAO.

I dont also telling that I wish TR had Irans resources. TR did not become worlds 19th biggest economy with oil. While telling that Russia became self reliant may be you should also learn that Oil and gas are responsible for more than 60% of Russia’s exports and provide more than 30% of the country’s gross domestic product. In 25 to 30 years alternative energy sources will be replace oil vastly and then yr beloved iranian regyme will be sitting on a worthless pile of shit.

Finally , your hate from zionism or capitalism does not change the fact that Iran is a shithole ran by fanatical bigots out of 15th century , does it ?

Jesus

Jose, I was comparing Turkish stats with Iranian.
It is you who changed the context and included Germany and Switzerland.
Yes I am aware Switzerland is not tied up with ECB.
I am comparing debt to GDP levels, so trillions of euros that have been printed from thin air, that will never be paid back….to support that local economy, you can throw it in a dust bin…..I DON’T.
Fossil fuels will be around for the foreseeable feature, I do not hate anybody, i said Iran’s resistance and threat to Zionists caused the massive pileup of sanctions on Iran.

Luna

Jose , you made an assumption without knowing anything about economics , and you failed miserably. Trillions of Euros were printed in order to accelerate the economy , not to pay goverment debts or what soever. This is called Quantitative easing (QE) . After all easings , the monies are drawn back to the central banks by various methods including increasing the central bank interest rates. It is not something related with paying back or whatsoever. Yr theory also does not reply my question about Switzerland and Japan as well.

You tried to compare Turkish stats with Iran , and with 3 different examples I showed you that yr criteria was wrong and faulty. Then you began blabbering about ECB although Japan and Switzerland is not a part of ECB.

When you are so limited in economic knowledge , better dont compare any economic stats , because you simply dont have the basic knowledge to compare and fetch out a sound conlusion

Jose , do you support regymes that hang people on the streets , whip alcohol consumers to death and jail women who do not wear headscarf ? Do you think adultery or homosexuality must be punished with death ? Because this is the regyme you are trying to defend to me with all that bulshit your are posting .

Jesus

“”” Jose , you made an assumption without knowing anything about economics , and you failed miserably. Trillions of Euros were printed in order to accelerate the economy , not to pay goverment debts or what soever. This is called Quantitative easing (QE) . After all easings , the monies are drawn back to the central banks by various methods including increasing the central bank interest rates. It is not something related with paying back or whatsoever. Yr theory also does not reply my question about Switzerland and Japan as well.”””

Lol, QE provides easy liquidity at minimal or 0 rates, for banks to supposedly lend money to businesses to grow the economy. It does not work like that, banks take the money from the central banks and invest it in government bonds or the stock market, encouraging companies to buy their own stock. QEs are used only in the financial industry as a means of increasing valuations when actual economic growth is anemic, to make the GDP look good, and enriching the 1/% of the population mostly.

“””When you are so limited in economic knowledge , better dont compare any economic stats , because you simply dont have the basic knowledge to compare and fetch out a sound conlusion”””

Lol, you have a limited knowledge and are naive about what QEs are and who benefits from them.
Nothing wrong with comparing the debt levels to juiced up GDPs, one day the debt bubbles created by QE’s will explode leading to hyperinflation…..and all these economies tied up to the Fed and ECB will taste the same thing, regardless how hard they will try to maintain the current and future valuations.

I am not defending Iran or their practices, they do what is best in their society, this discussion was about economic realities comparing Iran and Turkey.
As for you, do you consider the Turkish inflicted genocide on Armenians as true or revisionist history?
Why do you criticize the Iranians when Turks are guilty of vile deeds themselves?

Luna

First you were claiming that they were printing money out of thin air , and now when confronted , you are reverting with a clumsy , childish and almost communist interpretation of QE. Now we have learned from Mr Jose that ECB , FED and BOJ were wrong and mistaked with QE ,and mr Jose from God knows where , knows the truth.

I am not defending Iran or their practices, they do what is best in their society, this discussion was about economic realities comparing Iran and Turkey.

Turkish GDP almost doubles Iranian GDP , ditto for life standards and economy and you revert with an obscured criterion like foreign debt rates and claim that these are ‘’economic realities’’ and when I give you examples from other countries which are much more developed but does not suit yr criteria, instead of telling that your thesis could be wrong , you revert with further BS about printing money out of thin air , how %1 shares the wealth in west , ect etc while you dodge my post about how more than half of iranian popultion lives below poverty line.

You are not speaking about economic realities Jose, you are creating your own economic rules to find excuses to your own likes and dislikes , simple as that.

Ah , and now we learned from you that iranian regyme whips people , hangs them on streets for their own for their own good , this is best for iranian society . Thanks for the info though. LMFAO.

Jesus

Listen up Jose, let me put it in terms you can understand:
QEs is the financial heroin, countries addicted to debt need like a junkie hooked up on heroin.

QEs do not draw from real wealth or foreign reserves of the country……they are created from thin air by the central banks. All these countries/junkies that are hooked up to easy money/heroin to function do not have any sovereignty ….and are more dependent on easy money/heroin.

These countries like individuals do not have much economic productivity, and their supposed GDP is always
juiced up by debt.
Have you wondered why interest rates are close to zero or negative Jose? If interest rates were 3 or 4% servicing the accumulated debt would strain the economy and cause major recessions in the realm of the Fed and ECB.

Don’t tell me what I don’t know what I am talking about, I am from US and I have seen how the Fed’s play book and actions have played out over decades.

Luna

Jse , do you seriously want me to impressed with yr half assed economy knowledge based uppn some made up communist prejudice ?

In developed economies , QE is used to revitalize the economy and create some inflation ( The target of FED was %2,5 ) and interest rates over %3 or 4 are used to withdraw the funds that were fed to the market with easing.

And no , amount of foreign debt is not a determining factor for the status of economy.

Jesus

Until you have to say something serious to say, I am not wasting my time with you.

Luna

Bye.

Jesus

“”” Jose , do you support regymes that hang people on the streets”””

Who are the people hanging on the streets?

“”” whip alcohol consumers to death”””

This is your lying exaggeration, they would punish public alcohol consumption.

“”” jail women who do not wear headscarf”””

What’s wrong with wearing a headscarf? That does not appeal to your progressive image…..brick wall.
Even Christian women at church used to wear head coverings.

“””” Do you think adultery or homosexuality must be punished with death ””””

That is what the mosaic law calls for, by stoning them to death.

So, we find out that you are an infidel, defending murderers and thieves.

Why are you an infidel brick wall?

Luna

Jose , you bible clown – you dont have any idea what is going in that shithole you are trying to defend , do you ?

Iran hangs people on streets .
Iran whips alcohol consumers to death
Iran jails women who do not wear head scarf on the streets
Iran kils homesexuals and punishes adulterers severely
In Iran women prisoners are raped women before they are hanged , because a virgin goes to heaven as per their beliefs.

First learn to read and then try to comprehend , you little bigoted clown.

Backwards morons like you belong to the middle ages.

Jesus

Listen brick wall, your words are empty BS, scriptures are true, you pathetic infidel.
You moron, those scriptures were thousands of years ago….not from the Middle Ages.

Luna

LMFAO , Calm down bible clown , you will have a heart attack. Wrath is not good for soul.

I am talking about some daily practices in iran , you are reverting with with a triggered post about some bullshit scriptures and their dates. Are you fucking drunk ? too much pot ? Read too much bible ?

Jesus

Listen infidel, scriptures are not BS, they are the Word of God. they are far more reaching and truthful than your political bs and Turkish lies.
I asked you, who are these people hanging from the lamp posts in the street on a daily basis? Do you have an answer?

Luna

Jose , I am seriously bored of your stupidity , you lies and yr cowardice.

Yes, I do have an answer .

”Atefeh was arrested after being raped by a 51-year-old man. She was convicted for crimes against chastity. During her alleged torture she admitted to being raped repeatedly by the 51-year-old ex-revolutionary guard turned taxi-driver Ali Darabi. Darabi was a married man with children at the time.[2]

Atefeh had been raped by Ali Darabi over a period of 3 years without her family being aware.[3] While in prison she was further allegedly tortured and raped by prison guards. She told this to her grandmother who visited her saying that afterwards she could only walk on all fours because of the pain.[4] ”

She was publicly hanged from a crane in Neka, Iran. She was 16 years od when she was executed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atefeh_Sahaaleh

Did you like it ? This the regime your are defending . Christian morals , my ass. Fucking ignoble bible clown .

Now take your mediveal beliefs , your bullshit scriptures, yr deep ignorance, your dishonesty and get out of my sight.

Servet Köseoğlu

you all stats are based on not raw-data..there is not a meaning resistance,it is terrorrism and regime export and İRAN İS SHİT-HOLE

Servet Köseoğlu

and hopefully zionist will inflict more damage to iran.İRAN İS SHİT-HOLE

Jesus

Yes, Israel can use nuclear weapons, Iran and its proxies would use tens of thousands missiles most of them with cep of 10 meters or less. Iran and its proxies have a lot more area to absorb Israeli strikes than Israel.

My statements are not driven by bias, I make a military observations and comparisons.

farbat

look at saudis and take yourselves an example looking at saudi collapse which is happening right as we speak

Johnny B. Allan

When did Saudi Arabia collapse in your alternative autism world of mickey mouse and Santa Claus

Servet Köseoğlu

lets once again racist-propagandist Turkish navy is much better than iran NAVY…dont be jealous and İRAN İS SHİTHOLE

Jesus

What is racist about my statement?
Ok, Turkey’s navy has greater tonnage than Iranian navy, as far as anti ship weaponry, Iran has a greater selection with more potency.

Frank

Turkish frigates are very good quality and advanced.

Hasbara Hunter

That ain’t smart…the UK should have sold all their aircraft carriers to Turkey…since aircraft carriers became pretty obsolete after the introduction of Hypersonic Missiles…That way the UK at least would have made a couple of pennies instead of a heap of scrap metal on the bottom of the ocean in case of any war….

occupybacon

Sure, no subsonic missile could reach an aircraft carrier since they sail at supersonic speeds.

Hasbara Hunter

Protecting the naval surface fleet requires specialised naval air defence systems, which combine autonomous sensor technologies with weaponry to detect and destroy aerial threats…..perhaps you can tell me what system I should obtain for my aircraft carrier

occupybacon

A bike helmet would do it

Garga

NO!
You told ME to use the bike helmet! You can’t advise anybody else to use it, traitor!

occupybacon

Your helmet is offensive, you shoot satelites, remember? ;)

FlorianGeyer

Try one of these for air defence, HH.
They are ‘sustainable’ as well as being simple to use. :)

http://fc08.deviantart.net/images/i/2002/23/3/b/Enchanted_Crossbow.jpg

Hadi Heidary

aircraft carrier and missile have different usage, you can’t put one of them aside just cause it may be sinked in a possible confrontation.

Hasbara Hunter

Yeah true without missiles you can’t sink aircraft carriers….and without aircraft carriers there won’t be much to sink….

John Brown

Yes aircraft carriers are used to bomb defenseless third world countries into slavery. They can’t be used against those who can fight back with missiles.

Jim Allen

With missiles the carrier has no defense against

FlorianGeyer

Well said my friend.
Its about time the Royal Navy built a carrier with battery powered engines and aircraft.
Its soooo much greener and the LGBT crew would be a lot happier as well. :)

Hasbara Hunter

Well my brother in my personal opinion there is only one more war to be fought: one to get rid of the Satanic Psychopathic Elites for once & for All….which is an easy war to win once the 99% Unites….and you definitely don’t need aircraft carriers to clean up the 1% Elite-Parasites…trees & a lot of rope will do the job…

FlorianGeyer

I completely agree, and when the exorcism of those currently in power in the West begins, there will be nowhere for these parasites to hide in the global world of Debt Slavery that has been constructed by these beasts in the last 50 years :)

Jens Holm

Turks already plant more trees, so they can print more liras.

occupybacon

Putin: please, please, please Mr. Erdogan, buy my Kuznetsov. I even gave it fresh paint.

JIMI JAMES

The good old rust colour,fooled them all,if ever stealth military gear.,look no further erdo.

Jesus

Putin will not sell Kuznetsov, he will make it a deadly platform for launching cruise and hypersonic missiles that have longer ranges combat than carrier based aircraft.

occupybacon

And why using a shitty platform instead of a nuclear powerwd sub?

Dick Von Dast'Ard

I’d imagine it is really just an heavily armed embassy, capable of hitting Nato terrorists in deepest darkest Africa with Kalibr-NK, when moored in Sudan or Algeria and then whisking away the charred remains using it’s choppers.

Alternatively could be used just as an ASW/ASuW carrier that protects the Russian SSBN’s from Western-Alliance SSN’s, frigates and maritime patrol aircrafts.

occupybacon

It could become a spaceship sent as an embassy to another gallaxy, if will ever leave the dock, which I doubt.

Dick Von Dast'Ard

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occupybacon

Instead of 063 should say Good Bye Milky Way

Jesus

Yes, he has a couple of Typhoon subs that will be retrofitted with hundreds of missiles.
Kuznetsov is still a large tonnage ship with deadly options.

occupybacon
SnowCatzor

No European country should be helping Turkey in any way, shape or form. Erdogan is an enemy of Europeans and the biggest threat to regional stability.

Von

If it wasn’t for Great-Britain and France we wouldn’t have any Turkey since the Russians wanted to march to Constantinople and free it from those Mongol savages..

JIMI JAMES

That was churchill in ww1 and he got flogged by the turks 200,000 vs 58,000
churchill is a ;loser it took the cccp,greek communist with british weapons,some anzacs with them and later funds from usa to put an abrupt halth the the nazi regimes incestive fkfest come to discover todays lgbtq neo-unions.

BMWA1

He is thinking of Russian Admiral Nakhimov, and his victory at Sinope, Russians were stopped by British and French and Turks and others in 1854 (WW Zero)..

Frank

I don’t believe that was a remote possibility, even in revisionist history. Now Turkish cultural influence is pervasive as far as Tartaristan, while Russian population is shrinking to less than 80 million Slavs and heading to a Muslim majority in 2040 or so.

Doom

This is fake news. There’s 115 million Slavs in Russia, absolute worst case is a decline of 20 million Slavs until 2040. A Muslim majority by 2040 or even 2050 would require importing at minimum 40+ million Muslims in the next 20-30 years. Obviously retarded.

JIMI JAMES

He certainly ain’t the stooge of soros anymore,which is why europe persists in dissaray!
Thats what eu gets for messing with heterosexuals or trying to get between their freedom!
To be frank,I don’t believe turkey gives a rats arse,seens they with russian will bring asian to europes door step,which is a helluva lot better than neo -lib,isis kiddie headchoppers,drr

Johnny B. Allan

A NATO ally? who has a stake in Europe. You are just a caveman poster in this god-saken place and that is just not real world. You are probably a peasant Indian. Europe does work with Turkey on all diplomatic fronts and trade

JIMI JAMES

Europe recently signed a comprehensive manufacturing and infastructure deal,
which is the envy of every indian most noteably their deluded swastika medias!

SnowCatzor

“Nato ally” my ass. Turkey’s membership is in name only today. It is a de facto dictatorship facing sanctions even from it’s ‘Nato ally’ America. It’s days off being aligned with the west are over.

Fog of War

No, the biggest enemies of the Europeans are the Khazars. Take care of that issue and all others are easily handled.

Frank

Also of Russian people. Jews have done more damage to the Russian culture and soul than any external enemy.

Aquilegia

I get what you mean, it’s generally best not to help potential enemies with at least one exception.
You should be helping the enemy if he is committed to a huge waste of resources.

Frank

Frankly, I am an objective non emotional sort of bloke and believe in reality. People tend to underestimate the industrial capacity of Turkey and Iran. Turkey is a very advanced manufacturing economy and has a history of ship building. It is currently building frigates for Ukraine, Pakistan, Indonesia and ships for India even, so building a aircraft carrier is no big deal.

Ashok Varma

NEW DELHI: India is going ahead with a $2.3 billion (about Rs 15,000 crore) deal to manufacture fleet support vessels (FSVs) in collaboration with a Turkish shipyard following a review after questions were raised on Turkey’s links with Pakistan and the recent diplomatic tiff with the Recep Tayyip Erdogan government.

Fog of War

” India is going ahead with a $2.3 billion ”
When will India provide its people with indoor plumbing ?

cechas vodobenikov

turks living in the past

JIMI JAMES

Atleast they showed respect to the Commonwealth,which is better than eu-nazi-union,
on free gas tokens by the utterly useless french government we all come to see nowadays!

farbat

i spit on the british may they be wiped from the face of the earth and i spit more than this on this pathetic commonwealth may they be commonbankcrupt all of them

The Objective

It’s your father, not the Turkish Sultan.

Dick Von Dast'Ard

Didn’t realize just how poor the QE CVF was at providing itself with protection against ASM’s and ASBM’s… It’s like 65, 000 tons of a floating coffin for 1600 personnel and a just about floating liability.

Garga

It’s not wise to buy ship blueprints from the British, the Japanese felt being smartar$es had a nasty surprise for their first steam ship built on plans taken from Britain.
But if you insist on not learning from history, what do I care?

Potato Man

I don’t think it is smart move to buy aircraft carrier from British after what happened to HMS.P.W.
“Royal Navy investigating leak aboard £3bn aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsWxQstvFNg

Garga

Yes!
What I forgot to add is buying a built and complete ship from them is even worse!

Fog of War

I thought aircraft carriers were obsolete now.

Lazy Gamer

Im interested where the hypothetical carrier would be going. But considering that they have miles of eeconomic zone… lol

johnny rotten

Turkey will soon run away from NATO, it will never be able to send its soldiers to fight side by side with the transgender troops, or maybe it will?

Potato Man

Turkey and most of EU have “bad” time right now and EU block knows what Turkey wants…It would be problem for EU later on.
Why UK…tell me what happened to £3bn aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsWxQstvFNg

Ivan Freely

Lots of work if Erdogan is serious about this. Look no further than China. It’s taken the Chinese a lot of money and time to get where they are right now.

ruca

It would probably send the country into poverty.