On October 13, Abu Malik al-Tali, a senior commander of Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), called for supporting the “besieged” refugees in the al-Rukban camp on the Syrian-Jordanian border by carrying out new attacks on the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) around the governorate of Idlib.
“These words are directed to every faction leader or fighter on a frontline, you must support your brothers by shelling the positions [of the SAA] … Do not say that we do not deal with reactions, the concept of support in our religion is based on reacting according to ability,” al-Tali said in a post on his official Telegram channel.
Al-Tali didn’t only call for violating the Russian-Turkish deconfliction agreement on Idlib, but also criticized the withdrawal of heavy weapons from the demilitarized zone around the northern governorate.
Sources close to the US-led coalition claim that the al-Rukban camp is besieged by the SAA. However, the camp is is a part of the the 55km de-escalation zone around the coalition base in al-Tanaf. The camp is also located right on the border with Jordan, which allows tons of military equipment to enter al-Tanaf on a regular basis.
According to Syria opposition sources, al-Tali, who was the top commander of HTS in the region of Qalamun, is a part of the “radical wing” within the group that rejects the deconfliction agreement. Despite his calls for war, al-Tali was defeated by the SAA and Hezbollah twice and run away from Qalamun in 2017.
Didn’t I said that so called “ceasefire” in Idlib will cause endless troubles and is a huge mistake ? Where are all the “smarty pants” that predicted peace and less stress for SAA and their allies ? It is all over again as with ceasefires in Allepo during 2016. Do you remember how many of them Putin&Lavrov declared ? And how many of them survived at least one week ? I’ll refresh your memories. During 2016 Allepo campaign Russia proclaimed no less then 6 ceasefires between February and July 2016 and none of them survived more then 3 days. That’s a fact. And Putin is personally responsible for each one and for delays and unnecessary SAA casualties because each ceasefire only allowed ISIS to replenish weapon stocks and bring new terrorist fighters in the city and worsen the situation for SAA.
This is all histrionism . It is similar to a good theatre play with many scenes to to watch. President Putin always stays until the end of the performance ,even if some scenes are complicated to understand.
Perhaps you should wait until the end of the play before you judge the content Zo Fu .
Well, the S-300 are already in scene, and on the other side the chlorine and the rest.
The mere fact that a majority Western populations even accept that chlorine is a useful WMD type of weapon is a testament to the utter ignorance of those dullards Jorge.
Let alone the infantile Western propaganda that the Syrian army would actually use a few small canisters of chlorine gas to win a war.
To have any tactical effect , literally hundreds of tons of gas was needed along a wide front in WW1 and even then it was an unreliable weapon.
Good day Florian, have you read the news that the dutchs are already in war with Russia? But it’s only on the cyber front… in reality, on the psychological front.
Yeah, and Ukraine is in war… Their problem is that Russia didn’t come to their war but they don’t care – fighting with their own shadows suits them very well.
I do not know why, but the Dutch government has gone full retard.
Yep. But at least they admitted as much when they confessed and halted arms sales to Jihadi Street Gangs in Syria. Now if only the Dutch would open their eyes and see how the rest of this all fits together…
Its possibly due to the justified national outrage about the Dutch sponsorship of the White Helmets, that now threatens to oust the sitting government Al.
What, so they dig the hole deeper ?.
Stubborn people tend to be shortsighted people and they are unable to see that the ‘holes’ they dig are in fact their own Oubliette’s . :)
Is the Dutch Army Cyber ‘Operations Room concealed in a cafe Jorge?
Yes, it’s more smoke of the U.S. coalition, that one you call the Terror’s coalition…and may be some dutchs of their special forces are resting on some syrian military prison
There were said to be about 200 US Coalition of Terror special forces troops captured in Ghouta this year. They were imprisoned as POW’s by the Syrian Government. What their circumstances are now is a mystery :)
Playing devils advocate here, WWI technology was primitive beyond comparison compared to today’s. Even Jihadis have drones nowadays. And I reckon the technology exists to deliver chemical weapons with more success then it did during WWI. After all, the Iraqis gassed Kurdish villages from aircraft deliverable cannisters in the 80’s.
What makes no sense is why Assad would use gas as a stand alone terror weapon, akin to strategic bombing, with no logic, motive, purpose or strategy whatsoever. When he knows that 3 countries run by mad men are just itching to go and cruise missile spam Syria to death if he does so. And he doesn’t even need to because he’s winning.
Please see picture I posted above, it shows the reasoning behind using chemical weapons !!.
No offence jorge, but please remember the S-300 are not the “be all and end all” many ways to take it down; but it is a start.
Good day Al, did you noticed that the demilitarized zone it’s all in occupied takfiri territories?
Yes, I did. No surprise.
Florian, do you really believe in genuineness of this zu fu thingy? Knowing you I doubt it. This creature main aim (according to his posts) is blaming Putin for everything. He actually screams for starting the war but we know that he’s not the one to fight it. This kind is always leading from behind.
President Putin is certainly a leader that I would rather have. If he was in charge of delivering Brexit the EU weasels would have been neutered from Day 1.
President Putin is denigrated by NATO nations because he is hindering their goal of plundering Russia again. The warmongers in NATO are drunk with their own hubris.
If President Putin and his Military staff were as detached from reality as NATO leaders are, there would have been a war by now.
President Putin has visualised the theatre production to the end of the performance and he knows that NATO will be finally exposed as the REAL sponsors of terror today.
That will be a day I look forward to. NATO was conceived to protect Europe. None of NATO’s wars have been fought in Europe and ALL have ended in disaster for the populations NATO has imposed American Democratic Values on .
I support President Putin Tudor :)
Crafty answer, Florian :)
Truthful as well :)
Its ironic really as today the ‘Western’ nations are being fed a constant stream of NATO bullshit , yet the population generally has little idea that it is bullshit.
Russians to a great extend is immunised against bullshit after the long years of Zionist lies during the Stalin era particularly and even after that until the reality of the 90’s hit them hard.
Truth is a powerful ally, even when events do not go to plan.
Depends on perspective. The agreement has led to plenty of disagreements among the jihadists which is creating infighting and division that weakens there ability to resist any future offensive – divide and conquer. Predicted peace? That is for mainstream consumption as I am sure Putin knew it would cause the jihadists to split on whether to accept or reject and infighting to enforce their view on the other. Yes, a mess it is, for the jihadists and so it is one mess Putin likes.
Well yes and no; sure it is the nature of the faithful to be fractious, so some of the leaders get sent to their virgins (what evidence those are better in the sack anyway) by their own brethren. But it is precisely this Darwinian process (not that they’d acknowledge it as such) that enables the eventual consolidation, when they remember they hate Syria’s secular govt more than each other. As a result, Idlib is one tough nut to crack, and that is before “Iron Lady” Nikki showed up with the US Navy in tow.
And for all their rants about Allah, they’ll be regularly reminded that they’re paid to fight the SAA. Wouldn’t be much fun when the money’d dry up now would it.
I guess you are one of those who likes to complain and argue with success.
The Syrian military is getting stronger by the day, militants have retreated from almost all agreed upon areas, how is this bad? Syria can attack at any time and the speed of victory in such an offensive will increase and the cost will decrease every day as the SAA gets stronger.
During 2016 Aleppo campaign Russia proclaimed no less than 6 ceasefires between February and July 2016 and none of them survived more than 3 days.
Who controls Aleppo now? Was there escalation, USSA intervention? So the ceasefires achieved their goals!
A good moment to remember that cartoon where Stalin and Zhukov were sitting at a table, talking in the style of Putin&Lavrov. A messenger comes in: “Comrades, we won the battle! Moscow is saved!” “Excellent, let’s immediately declare a unilateral ceasefire; we don’t want to needlessly provoke our German partners.”
Yes but let’s not forget Stalin’s actions leading up to the war. He preserved the peace with Germany at all costs even when German planes were spotted flying over Soviet positions. He accepted German excuses that it was mistaken training flights having navigation issues. Reports of German buildups near Soviet lines were dismissed by Stalin on Ribbentrops’ assurances that it was all a ruse to fool the British about German attemps on the British Isles. And last, Stalin ensured that trains to Germany carrying Soviet resources as per agreement ran right on time en masse. In fact, on the early morning in June that Barbarossa kicked off German troops in the hundreds of thousands watched Russian freight trains cross the border before kicking off hostilities. Russia is a stickler sometimes for pathologically following agreements. It’s a mindset across generations even when it does them harm. Putin and the current Kremlinites are far from alone in this thinking. But if war with the West actually comes we’ll see a far different Kremlin. Zhukov-esque.
Stalin had also purged his officer class and military leadership in the West was weak. It was only the officers from the Russian Far East that had avoided the purge who were able to turn the tide at the gates of Moscow.
Nov 1941: Russian reinforcements arriving from the far east. Marching through Moscow before joining battle on the front line. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5e12d7f060274063f081136e3137d200f72437414af844a37cd58bf2743f3ec9.jpg
T-34’s rolling through Red Square. Nov 7 Must have been a great sight for the population of Moscow. A real lift in morale. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a5873c1e532694be4d38a56f6124581e93d21dc272d1ccad4d9604aeef725ea3.jpg
The US/NATO seem to be under the illusion that they could conquer Russia. The US would be faced with a resistance thatwould make Vietnam seem like a walk in the park :)
And some, those who were still alive, were freed from prison to fight in the war. A lot of soviet military chiefs, in the end of the war, were ancient political prisoners of the purges, at the start of the war.
Yes. Zhukov, who commanded the Siberian army and humiliated the Japanese, organized the defence of Leningrad and then Moscow, both successfully. Zhukov was, in my opinion, comparable to Manstein – both were incredible master tacticians and would face off against each other at Kursk.
A quote by Stalin is worth mentioning here given the Germans amassed an extroidinarily offensive force to break through an equally powerful Russian defences ringing Kursk.
Stalin described the battle of Kursk as ‘an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.’
Is that where that quote from the Batman movie comes from? Amazing.
I like that quote :)
Interesting; always more to learn. Certainly Russian doctrines are very defensive in nature. My aim wasn’t to glorify Stalin anyway; not all Russians will agree but the best I can make out he was a monster, who did much to weaken the USSR — only to rise to the occasion when things became existential. And he wasn’t even Russian of course.
I think before the war, Moscow felt its options were limited because their pleas for a grand anti-Nazi alliance were consistently rebuffed, especially by the British. Seems the London Establishment mostly saw that Adolf fella as “moderate opposition”, who’d cause trouble for the Reds and not for them. Do things ever change?
Good points. Many are not aware of the culpability of France and Britain in sending Stalin into the arms of Hitler – and they should have known better having prior driven Mussolini into Hitlers arms due to their hostile yet ineffective response to the Italian invasion of Abyssinia (Ethiopia).
Stalin had the common sense to realize the Russians would fight fiercely for Mother Russia, not for the USSR (or Stalin) and so Stalin wisely pulled the NKVD units out of the front lines where they were universally hated by the regular troops.
The Russians fought I think because — what else was there, if at least some of them were to survive? Some tough words being said (and needing to be said) about the Dutch on another SF page, but a large part of this is simply that they’re utterly ignorant of what war is, even as they contribute to it. The last generation that could inform them is fading away now, and since life is still pretty good in the Low Lands, they aren’t motivated to speak out.
“al-Tali was defeated by the SAA and Hezbollah twice” and yet he’s now playing jihad in Idlibstan. Anyone else see a problem with that? When Stalin closed in on Berlin, he didn’t have to wade through the same divisions he’d played with in Kursk and Stalingrad already; those were, you know, defeated for real. It seems Putin wages war by procrastinating, wheeling-dealing, no deal without a secret side deal — in short how he governs Russia domestically. Maybe for something so far outside his expertise, he could listen to his general staff a bit more often?
NATO is desperate to rescue their goals in Syria and Iraq and the defeat of their terror proxies has now forced them into the light.
However it is necessary on the world stage for NATO not to be seen as a ‘Victim’ as Israel always does.
NATO keeps prodding but will have to make the first move. Then NATO can be destroyed and Israelis will then have to ‘wander in the nuclear deserts for a few hundred years ‘ :)
Oh look, the Yanks are upping the aggression. Scum and vermin are going to up the ante; get ready Syrian heroes and take THEM ALL OUT.
Well here comes Oct 15th. Time to see how Syrians and Russians will punish these terrorist vermin for not respecting the deal. Hopefully with utmost brutality and efficiency.
These types of partial deconfliction agreement implementations have occurred throughout the conflict. It shouldn’t be surprising that they’re occurring in Idlib, particularly in view of the high concentration of regime change elements there who are the ones who rejected reconciliation with the government and instead chose to continue hostilities by relocating to Idlib from other cleared areas.
All eyes are on Turkey and what their response will be to non compliance with the DMZ agreement by forces that they supported through much of the conflict. Sooner or later it will be clear that the agreement can’t be implemented without the use of force against the non compliant elements if the Turks can’t get them to comply peacefully. At that point a decision will have to made as to whose going to enforce the agreement.