SDF Vows To Prevent Any Corridor Between Iran And ‘Syrian Regime’ – Media

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SDF Vows To Prevent Any Corridor Between Iran And 'Syrian Regime' - Media

Source: https://alshahidwitness.com

Media outlets, media activists and militias affilated or loyal to the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) have been on fire since Monday when the Iraqi People Mobilization Units (PMU) reached the border after a successful operation against ISIS in western Nineveh.

Initially, the Asayish (a security service affilated with the SDF and the PYD) released a statement describing the PMU presence on the Syrian-Iraqi border as a threat to the SDF-held area in northern Syria. The Asayish statement also argued that the PMU is just a tool of Iranian influence. [Hint: The PMU is an official branch of the Iraqi Armed Forces]

Then, the SDF vowed that it will not accept any corridor between Iran and ‘the Syrian regime’ and will oppose any PMU attempt to enter the Syrian territory, Al Ghad Press reported citing a source among the SDF leadership.

If confirmed, it will be another step in the ongoing escalation in the PMU-SDF relations as well as deteoration of the shaky relations between the US-backed force and the Syrian government.

It should be noted pro-SDF and pro-poosition sources as well as the mainstream media describe any attempts by the Syrian military to re-establish control over the border with Iraq as an attempt to establish a ‘corridor’ with Iran. At the same time, the mainstream media argues that the Damascus government is not legitimate because it cannot control the Syrian borders.

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  • jade villaceran

    When does the media can decide who control of whom

  • Joe Doe

    Recent SDF action make me conclude that they are gearing towards hostile behavior again SAA and end war in Syria. The hostility most likely comes from americans influence the SDF by providing light military arms to SDF, this is the cheap ways by americans convince SDF to such action. Knowing americans they will backstab SDF sooner or later

    • dutchnational

      I agree with your last part and I think the SDF is fully aware of the risk they run.

      As for the first part, I think they are gearing up to react to hostile behaviour of both SAA and TSK. There is no real agreement between Assad and SDF, only a tacit understanding on not having a military controntation. As for Turkey, it is claiming to arm islamists to attack Tel Abyad and Afrin/Manbij, as soon as islamists are done fighting eachother.

      • Joe Doe

        It may be that there is such some kind agreement between Russia and SDF not to have confrontation between SAA and SDF, but this will change, america’s will make sure there will not be agreement between Assad and SDF. Personally it is big mistake not the have SDF in the peace process is Astana and this is RUssia mistakes that are giving way to Turkey, only the FSA which are hostile to SAA

  • dutchnational

    SDF not allowing a corridor through their lands is reasonable as they have no dealings at all with either the PMU as a shia militia, or the the PMU as a part of the Iraqi army. Iraq has no souvereinity about Syria or syrian militia or syrian civilians, none at all.

    Were there a request of Assad to let them through, it would be up to Assad to make proposal to the SDF and I am sure they will consider carefully.

    More logical would be for PMU to turn southward along the borderzone. Then they can enter Syria through IS held territory. That would be out of SDF control and there would be no problems with anyone. Most likely, SDF has no great regard for FSA units advancing from the south as they will most likely be another bunch of islamists.

    • Joe Doe

      Yes, they could go south and enter Syria below the SDF control and go south-west or west

  • Behold a Pale Horse

    If the SDF get out of hand Erdogan would love an invite from Assad to sort out the PKK. They should watch what they wish for.

    • dutchnational

      The problem with inviting turks in is not getting them in, but getting them out afterwards.

      • Behold a Pale Horse

        True, but my point is, the SDF is surrounded by SAA, Iraq and Turkey. They already unfriendly with Turkey, I wouldnt piss off the other two. Be grateful for what you have.

        • Joe Doe

          The american aim is very simple, make the region unstable and to make this region unstable is to make everyone unhappy and enemy at each other. So what the americans did provide SDF some small arms and promas independents. This will aggravate Turkey and Assad. So TUrkey will arm and support FSA in North and SDF will continue resist or make difficult to end war with ISIS in the east of Syria

          • John Brown

            America has no aim they do what their slave master Israel orders them to do. Look up the Yinon plan if you want to know what this is all about.

        • Free man

          They are surrounded by Turkey, SAA, Peshmerga, ISIS and PMU. They contain American and Russian forces.
          And for now they have nothing.

        • 888mladen .

          You forgot Iran which has its own Kurdish minority too.

    • 888mladen .

      That would be fully justifiable. It seems like Kurds have forgotten that old saying that even dogs don’t bite a hand that feeds them.

  • Brad Isherwood

    The US is building the Shia Militia/Iran the Terror Enabler gambit for Jew mind control
    Sheeple media.
    FSA recently stated they will fight Assad and Foreign Militias which = PMU,Hezbollah and IRGC.
    No surprise the money monkey grinder Kurds dance to the Jewish music about Iran.
    Trump’s recent lies about Iran being regional Terrorist Enabler while in Saudi Arabia and Israel
    was over the top,….the Media was silent,…not calling him out on the outrageous lies.
    US Generals said they will stay in Iraq after Mosul operations…..US military training Iraqi
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35492067
    BBC spin cycle …..article does correctly point out the fractured socio reality in Iraq with militias everywhere.
    Lots of opportunity for US and Saudi snakes to game on Iraq.

    • 888mladen .

      “Trump’s recent lies about Iran being regional Terrorist Enabler” true about Iran’s current role but not about its role in Balkans in not so distant past.
      https://youtu.be/XAiE6_yHLMY

      • Brad Isherwood

        https://whowhatwhy.org/2014/11/02/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/
        Safari Club – CIA – SMOM/Jesuits.
        As discussed before ….The Vatican knows the Truth about Islam’s origins.
        With Iran,….CIA give the Shah brain cancer ,…He dies, …they put the Ayatollah Khomeini
        In.
        Notice how the US sanctions and intimidates Russia….Putin/Lavrov smile.
        Same response from Iran…they eat the abuse and blabbering Theology to their
        Public and world Media.
        The Shia coming Mahdi 12th Imam Armageddon thingy is just nuts.
        The Talmudic Jews and the Masonic/Illuminati also have this world nearly
        Destroyed before the Lucifer is revealed.
        I do view Iran as playing the Occult game …there are reasons why Russia only
        Gave Iran S 300 and not S 400.,…Israel and US can cope with Irans S 300.
        Years ago…was pointed out that Iran’s Mullahs have Offshore bank accounts, …
        They have a fake leadership just as the Miserable House of Saud.

        • 888mladen .

          Spot on. It’s the Occult game indeed. Iran’s clerics have been cozying up to Vatican. They did a good service to “Mother of Harlots” in Balkans.

  • Bob

    Any further movement south of Raqqa by SDF reveals them as just a cloak of conveinience for further US Special forces operations against Syrian state.

  • Free man

    Syria belongs to the Syrians, Arabs and Kurds of the various religions.
    The Sunni / Shiite jihadists only complicate the situation and deepen the rift.

  • Mountains

    some people are deluded if you haven’t figured out how people are sorted it out in this battle.

    I will split this for you new beginers into ABC type explaination and groups.

    1. SAA, Hezbullah, Iran, Russia and Shia-militias fighting All HTS, AS, FSA, ISIS, SDF except the US but it will be unavoidable now due to the oil and gas fields in Raqqah and Deir-Ezzor they are eventually on collision course this is unavoidable and clear to everybody.

    2. USA, SDF, Jordan, FSA and Norway.. Some are after OIL AND GAS while others are after creating new nation and separatists and others fighting for survival.

    3. HTS and Ahrar al-Sham not allied directly to the FSA/US but have common understanding on few minor details.

    4. ISIS. Have no allies nor understanding with anyone. They are fighting everybody

    Honestly this battle is complicated and reminds me about RED ALERT(GAME) or Company of heroes.

    Basically war for Resources, freedom and others fighting for territory while for others it’s holy

  • Mountains

    AMERICA is basically financially broke so expect that they will do everything in their power to take eastern syria you heard it here.

    • Free man

      America is the richest country in the world. To deny this is not to understand reality.

      • Mountains

        they have 20-trillon dollars dept… the money they have is not theirs and besides that dollar could crash anytime this year or next yr

        • dutchnational

          The US has indeed a large external financial debt.

          In a way, they have no debt as their debt is all in $. If they want, and are a bit stupid, they can print the 20 trillion or whatever is the amount and just give the paper to the chinese, saudis and whomever has $ bonds.

          Or they can default like Puerto Rico (an US territory) just did, having a debt of 80 billion. When they crash, everybody crashes.

      • 888mladen .

        What does constitute its riches if we may know? Sexually related diseases? Amount of drugs sold on streets? Number of lies disseminated 24/7 by politicians and their prestitutes? What about the order of magnitude of hypocrisy? Pretty rich somebody would say.

        • Free man

          Who do you think is richer, more advanced, more educated?
          You can hate the US, but try to be objective.

          • 888mladen .

            I consider a nation with no moral standards extremely poor and wretched.

          • 888mladen .

            Yea try to be objective.

          • Concrete Mike

            Thats besides the point. Look at Household debt for instance. Do you have a maxed out visa? I sure do and almost everybody else does.

            If the majority of thé population is broke and the goverment is broke and corrupt, how is this Sustainable??

            Remember 2008?? I sure do. And thé Banks got bailed out for their irresponsable policies. And kept right on going.

            North Americans are broke, were sick and we are tired of being lied to every goddamned Day by our stupid corrupt goverments.

            Thats reality , and we waste our time with frivolous issues like trans rights, or à stupid statue.

            Makes me sick

            Rant over
            Thanks

  • John Marks

    Sounds like the Kurds have been told by the Americans ‘do as we say or we’ll leave you to ISIS and the Turks’.

  • Hrky75

    Congrats. Unelected “political representatives” of Syrian Kurds just openly proclaimed their loyalty to the US and declared war on 4 countries – Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. Political an military equivalent of taking the lives of 30 million people, placing it all on “32 red” and turning the wheel. That surely can’t end bad…

  • John Brown

    This is the green light for Turkey to attack the kurds in eastern Syria with their new army. Look for militants in Idlib to be sent to eastern Syria for this attack ASAP. I am sure Russia and Syria will now approve such an attack against their common enemies the SDF and ISIS as ISIS and the SDF are to help the Kurds and Israel divide Turkey, Syria and Iraq between them according to the Yinon plan. Look it up.

    • Free man

      The usual bullshit from a known Bullshiter.

      • Sanjaya84

        Yinon plan? It’s not bullshit, just google it,

    • Stephen

      Turkey said that you cannot make Kurds friends. Turkey you are true.
      Forget all differences and concerns be friends and be united with Syria, Russia, Iraq, Iran and remove this cancer out from entire Middle East region.

      United you will get strength and can do many things but individually you cannot.

  • Stephen

    US struggling to divide Syria to make it weaker in international community and then these parts will fight on border despite with each other. As they have done to many countries like India, Russia, China, Yugoslavia, Chrotia, and so on.
    To be honest US and Israel play an evil role in the world.

    • Hrky75

      What’s Chrotia??

      • Stephen

        Croatia is a country in Europe. Sorry for spelling.

        • Hrky75

          Thanks…

      • Lars

        The genocidal state of CROATIA ESTABLISHED IN 1995 through the largest act of ethnic cleansing in europe after WW2, with NATO, CIA, DIA, GERMAN and FRENCH direct support.

        • Hrky75

          An amazing amount of bullcrap in one grammatically incorrect sentence. Croatia was established in 900s and has one of the longest legal and political continuities in Europe. Since you bring up 1990s I suppose you are one of those Greater Serbia fans and Srebrenica genocide apologists. Starting 4 wars against your neighbors – on the instigation of Milosevic’s CIA buddies – and than losing ALL of them makes Serbia NATO’s useful idiot of 1990s Balkan’s wars and not the victim.

          • dutchnational

            Your history is correct though as a traditional ally of Russia, it was most likely Serbias KGB buddies.

            btw, there was an ethnic cleansing, started by the serbs on occupied croatian cities like Vukovar.

            At the time of the final counterattack by Croatias reconstuted army on the occupied territories, thanks to propaganda out of Serbis, the croatian serbs were so afraid that more then 90% fled to Serbia.

          • Hrky75

            I know a lot about ex YU history. And I stand behind my observations about Milosevic. He was a representative of biggest Serbian bank – Beobanka – in NY. During that time he became close friend with Lawrence Eagleberger – US vice sec. of state during 1990s. Also the real shooting war in ex YU started after James Baker came for an official visit and publicly supported “unity” of the country in a joint press conference with Milosevic in Belgrade. Army officers loyal to Milosevic took that as an US blessing and the tanks started rolling. Although Russians were traditional Serb allies in 1990-91 Russia was all messed up and wasn’t in a position to help…

          • Milan

            Well, the problem with that story is that Slovenia declared independence from Yugoslavia and Yugoslav Army sent troops to protects borders while Milosevic was just president of Serbia and did not have command over the Yugoslav Army. So, neither the action (Slovenia’s breaking away from Yugoslavia) nor reaction of the Army wasn’t Milosevic doing. The Army retreated after a month and Slovenia was allowed to go its on way. The problem occurred when Croatia wanted to go the same way, but Serbs living in Croatia wanted to stay in Yugoslavia. Milosevic was a scapegoat and proclaimed guilty for all the wars in ex-Yugoslavia in the same way Assad is guilty for everything in Syria, at least according western media.

          • Orcbuu

            Milosevic was declared NOT GUILTY of any ACCUSATIONS in 1 Quartal of 2016 in the International Tribunal. Or what ever the courts Name was.

            Let us Deceide that this was the first step into Deveide and Counquer the eastern Block of europe after the UDSSR fall.
            All or Mostly all of the Balkan states are Rouge States now in think in Macedonia is an OPENLY Mafioso on the Ruling Stick. And all the others are even worse then in the times of the last years of the UDSSR.

          • Milan

            You mean the president of Montenegro. Yeah, I totally agree – breaking up of Yugoslavia was a western project and CIA had plans for that even in 1970’s. Now all the ex-Yu countries are American and German puppets.

          • Bob

            The German intelligence services started to actively contact and cooperate with both Croatian intelligence and nationalist factions in 1970’s and they made point to instruct Croats to remove any Croatian-Serbs from within Croatian intelligence services. The Germans wanted to reconquest their western Balkan sphere of influence and impose market control over Slovenia and Croatia from 1970’s on-wards. May recall, that the US State Department explicitly called the Croatian unilateral break-away in early 90’s under hardcore nationalist Tujdman’s leadership as, ‘the German foreign minister’s war’, due to the German state’s immediate recognition of breakaway announcement and pledge of full political and financial support to Croatia way before any intra-Yugoslav discussions had even occurred.

          • Hrky75

            Milosevic was in control of YNA since early 1990. They even rolled out their tanks on the streets of Belgrade im march ’91 to crash the protests. Serbian police started to arm local Serbs well before any changes in Croatian constitution – it’s even featured in Serb documentary The Unit. You can’t compare Milosevic to Assad – Assad is fighting his own “Krajina insurgents” right now, armed and organized by neighboring countries – just like Croatia did.

          • Milan

            Actually, there are many parallels between Milosevic and Assad. Both Yugoslavia and Syria were countries that the West (first of all the USA) wanted to break down because they didn’t control the government, had some economical interest in that, and would be the next step of beating Russia in the geopolitical arena. Both Milosevic and Assad were heavily demonized by the western media as exclusive culprits of everything bad that happened in their countries, both countries were/are under economical sanctions. In both countries, the West found forces within the country they could use to fight the government, armed them and even provided them their air support. Croatian Army was armed and organized by neighbouring countries to destroy the country (Yugoslavia), Serbs didn’t get help from anyone from abroad except few Russian volunteers. Croatia was the “insurgent” like FSA in Syria.

          • Real Anti-Racist Action

            That is the same thing that happened to Germany before the First World War.
            The UK had already decided that they wanted to break down Germany into tiny pieces for economic reasons, and because the UK wants to control Europe and not face any opposition.
            So the UK France and US did everything to force about a war.
            They fractured and broke the peoples back so Europe can be invaded and colonized by foreign invaders.
            The UK had been doing this before the World War, and they continue to do this.
            Germany was a victim as was Iran and India and Syria and Lebanon and so many other nations have fallen victim to the UK-Empires of continually fracturing nations states into tiny defenseless states.

          • 888mladen .
          • 888mladen .
          • 888mladen .

            Miloshevich and Tudjman held a shared bank account in Cyprus while Croats and Serbs were killing each other. That’s a fact.

          • Hrky75

            Now that my friend I totally agree with. The war was completely unnecessary and served only the people who grew rich in it. There were other ways to reconstitute SFRJ in a way that would satisfy all while keeping the core reasons for it’s establishment – defense against aggressive and bigger neighbors. The war also served as a useful experiment for US to perfect a kind of hybrid warfare they used later in Iraq, Libya, Syria…

          • 888mladen .

            See video link posted about fragmentation of the former Yugoslavia. There are 18 all together.

          • Nebojsa

            Regarding Vukovar, you probably do not know that the Croats have started killing the Serb civilians before the war.

          • Hrky75

            So Croatians are not only shameless but also suicidal. And they decided to pick on the Serbs in the town just across the Serbian border with YNA almost completely loyal to Milosevic and itching for a fight. That makes sense. And bombing the place to rubble and massacring civilians and wounded prisoners after the town fell was OK then?

          • Nebojsa

            No, it is not OK. In 1991 Croatia continued with ideology created by Franko, Starcevic and so on. One third of the Serbs shuld be killed, one thirt expelled to Serbia and one thirt converted in to catholicism. Thus, the Croats started mass pogroms of the Serbs in 1991 in Zagreb, Dalmatia, Slavonia, Srem. The Serbs were constitutive nation in Croatia and Tudjman has erased them from the constitution.

          • Hrky75

            Albanians were constitutive in Kosovo and Hungarians in Vojvodina – didn’t Milosevic start with expelling the minorities from constitutions? Crisis in YU didn’t start in ’91 – but you know that already. Serbia was on a rampage from mid 1980s and basically turned all other republics against itself. Guys face it, you fought 4 wars against your neighbors – that must be some kind of a record. And you lost all of them – that’s a record too I suppose. And all with overwhelming superiority in soldier and equipment. You wanted Greater Serbia and now even Montenegrins don’t want anything to do with you. Accept that you got your asses handed to you. Better luck next time…

          • Nebojsa

            Hungarians were no constitutive nation in Vojvodina. Albanians were not constitutive nation. In Croatian constitution until 1991 the country was defined as the country of the Croatian and Serbian people. In Serbian constitution Albanians and Hungarians were not mentioned as constitutive people.

          • Hrky75

            Really, weren’t both regions autonomous, in effect all but regular republics with 80% Albanian majority in Kosovo. The constitution of the provinces that gave them large autonomy from Belgrade was forcefully abolished by Milosevic starting the “Yugoslav crises”…

          • Milan

            We didn’t lose 4 wars against our neighbours, but against NATO (3 actually, Slovenia wasn’t a real war). We didn’t want anybody’s land, but just that on which we had lived as a majority for centuries stays in Yugoslavia where it already was. And all those neighbours are now NATO’s puppets that live worse than in Yugoslavia from which they escaped.

          • Hrky75

            Yugoslavia was 73 years old when the war broke out and the story that “Serbian lands” were always in it is stupid. You did start 4 war and you did lose all of them. NATO joined the mess after you didn’t manage to win for 3 years, while committing numerous atrocities in the process. And don’t forget that the UN introduced arms embargo in 1991 making you the only people in the country with proper arms. And you still manage to lose. I have a nice Serbian verse for you, I think you’ll recognize it – Boj ne bije svijetlo oružje, već boj bije srce u junaka.“ Petar Petrović Njegoš…

          • Milan

            The USA would not let the wars end until they finished the way they wanted. And there is no one in this part of Europe who can beat Croats both in number and savagery of committed atrocities, and who still brag about the victories of NATO like they were solely their own.

          • Hrky75

            Nice little bubble you’re living in – I bet all those Muslims, Albanians, Macedonians and Croatians that died in various Balkan various in 20th century agree with you too. As for bragging about victories – try win a war for a change and then brag all you want. Until that happens – keeps celebrating defeats as per custom…

          • Milan

            I wasn’t bragging about any war victories, but you were ridiculing Serbs for losing wars in the ’90s. “Try win a war for a change?” Are you serious? :) How about WW2, WW1, both Balkan wars and independence wars against Turkey in the 19th century? And where were the Croats in those times? Both world wars siding with Germans aggressors, committing atrocities and finally losing.

          • Hrky75

            Not ridiculing – just stating facts. Balkan wars – won as a part of coalition of 3 countries against dying Otomans and then ganging up with your allies and your enemies against Bulgaria – and all that 105 years ago. WW1 – lost the country and 50% of total population. Surviving 10% of original army came back supported by 7 nation army – if that’s victory I’m afraid to think what would defeat look like. WW2 – forced the country into the war with mindless coup and then losing it in less then 2 weeks. It took partisans and Croat Broz for you to end up on the winning side – along with 5 other Yugoslav nations. In WW1 Croats didn’t have much choice – they weren’t very enthusiastic to go fighting on Serbian front but excelled against Italians – led by Borojević an ethic Serb that considered himself – a Croat. In WW2 – 200K ethnic Croats along with Croatian Serbs made up 5 partisan Corps by the end of 1943. No one denies the existence of ISC(NDH) but that was neither Independent, nor a State and large parts of Croatia were given to Italy. Croatians overwhelmingly supported partisans. Now don’t get me wrong friend – I’m as sceptical and dismissive towards right-wing Croats and their propaganda. I quoted Njegoš to you – I usually quote Krleža to them:” Sačuvaj me Bože srpskog junaštva i hrvatske kulture…

          • 888mladen .

            You do not start a conflict 1000 km away from the border of the country you want to create a pretext to go to war with. Do you? Check you logic. Logic and truth don’t work together with bias. You always need to twist your logic in order to satisfy your bias. Pure Machiavellian principle where the end justifies the means

          • Hrky75

            You also don’t start a war while unarmed, being under embargo while the other guys has ALL the weapons. I think you are the guy with twisted logic here…

          • Bob

            The Yugoslav wars were multi-sided ethnic mess stoked by the Federal leaders from the same generation, all of whom crossed over into nationalism in early 90’s – Milosevic, Tujdman and Izetbegović. Those three were all just different sides of the exact same coin.
            This photograph shows a Serbian victim of Croatian nationalists and irregulars at Vukovar. The victim was axed to death by Croatian militiamen, killed on November 19, 1991, at Nikole Demonje Street no 74, Vukovar, Croatia. He was positively identified by surviving relatives.
            The point being, that we are well used to MSM images portraying Serb’s as the only perpetrators in the ongoing western narrative about Yugoslav wars. But we never, ever, see the images of Serb’s as victims, as perpetrated by extremists on the other sides – Croatian, Albanian and Bosniak (who even had CIA/Saudi imported Afghan mujahedin operating as their gleeful jihad executioners of Orthodox Serbs). There has never been any balance in western MSM portrayal of Yugoslavia disaster.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aec41c39f6cf8df013c40d0263cb662a6cfd7b1b2f422bfc96abf09c79bc09a1.jpg

          • Hrky75

            The story about Serb from Vukovar doesn’t add up IMHO. The city surrendered on 18th and I doubt that any Croatian militiaman had time to think of killing civilians since they were either running away or surrendering. Serbian propaganda created a lot of stories about alleged Croatian atrocities in Vukovar that later turned out to be hoax. That doesn’t mean that Serbians didn’t suffer through the conflict. As per origins of the conflict the story is long and complicated. There a 1000s of small reasons that slowly built the foundations of the conflict. I think that all YU nations had different ideas why the country existed in the first place. For Slovenes and Croats it was always a “lesser evil” of sorts – because they knew they would never be able to confront aggressive neighbors (Italy, Germany, Hungary) on their own. Serb politicians, even the communist ones, always understood YU as a kind of Serbian protectorate or at least a family in which they were always going to be “oldest sibling”. Tito wanted to clip Serbia’s wings with 1974 Constitution that promoted looser ties among republics and introduced 2 autonomous regions within Serbia. In the end it just increased Serbian resentment and flared up Albanian secessionists in Kosovo. The leaders were important part of the puzzle. But when Milosevic took power the Greater Serbia project – maybe More Assertive Serbia would be a fairer term to use – was already prepared by the Serb inteligentsia. It’s generally accepted that Croatia merely reacted to this after being silent for a decade – so called “Croatian silence”. But that’s not the whole truth either – too many people were too ready to react when the time came. The pressure simply built up and when it was about to explode there wasn’t a person or a group with enough knowledge, guts or vested interest to dismantle the bomb before it blew up…

          • Milan

            I live in Bosnia, and was around when these things happened, so let me correct on you on some issues. There were three UN “protected” zones in Croatia until 1995: east, west and south zone inhabited by Croatian Serbs. On 1 and 2 May, the west zone was attacked by Croatian Army and police (with the consent of the US), the area was ethnically cleansed, around 30.000 people fled, around 400 were killed and more than 1000 wounded. Then in August the west zone was also attacked, more than 220.000 people fled, 7000 to 8000 were killed, many of whom after the operation was over. Nobody in the West reacted.
            Because the only remaining zone – the east zone – was bordering Serbia, Croats were afraid to attack, but since Serbia wanted to end 4 year long economical sanctions, it allowed the east zone to be peacefully reintegrated into Croatia. Serbs were not afraid to stay, today little less than 50% of the people of Vukovar are Serbs, but they are denied their rights, and there is still a lot of tension.
            Therefore, it was quite the opposite of what you said, it was not Serbian propaganda, but Croatian military actions and ethnic cleansing that made Serbs in the east afraid, but they remained because Serbia gave guarantees that wouldn’t happen here.
            It is funny how you guys don’t buy western mass media narratives when in concerns Syria, but totally buy into them when talking about ex Yugoslavia. But I guess there was no Internet in the ’90s, so that’s all you could hear.

          • Nebojsa

            You hit the essence. Repulic of Srpska Krajina has been a UN protected zone. Therefore, there can no be any “liberation of Croatia”. It was an obvios attack on the UN protected zone, the same thing if for example the Turkish forces in Cyprus attack the Greeks despite to UN peace keeping forces.

          • Hrky75

            We should disregard western media and the fact that we have high speed internet and can research most issues on a moments notice and just trust particular nationalistic propaganda because it will make you feel good? There are videos on Youtube of Krajina rebels rehearsing the evacuation of civilians just like there are videos of fleeing Bosnians and Croatians in 1991-2, dead people of Zvornik being kicked by Serbian soldiers and Srebrenica civilians being shot in the head and left in ditches. There are also videos of Bosnian Serbs surrounding Sarajevo and selling it’s citizens for 900+ days – I don’t suppose we can se your face on one of those.

          • Milan

            It seems you picked which videos to watch. Rehearsing bad scenarios is what civil defense normally does. And since Serbs in Croatia already experienced a genocide by Croatian state in WW2 and could not repel possible attack, of course they rehearsed the evacuation. Following your logic, the UK rehearsed what to do in case of German air raids, so they staged the war, and Germans were innocent.
            I guess nobody told you (or you don’t like that kind of info) that 40%, or 200.000 of Sarajevo’s citizens were Serbs, and most of them had to escape from the city, while thousands of unfortunate ones that stayed were imprisoned, tortured, raped and killed. But CNN never showed you that side of the war, so it didn’t happen, right?

          • Hrky75

            It seems to me you don’t really give a shit about 70% that were not Serbes. And there were 530K residents of Sarajevo according to ’91 census -28% of them Serbes….

          • 888mladen .
          • Hrky75

            I watched all 18 episodes years ago. The program had a possibility to be very good and to talk objectively about WW2 in YU openly and without bias for the first time. Unfortunately the authors used the opportunity to create a piece of Greater Serbia propaganda and an excuse for future Serbian atrocities against non Serbs in 1990s wars. That’s sad because tragic destiny of victims of a war that happened 50 years before was used to create fresh victims. But propaganda obviously worked – the clip you chose is a perfect example. Total Serbian casualties of WW2 confirmed by Serbian scientists were around 520K – that includes combatants and civilians both in Serbia proper, Bosnia and Croatia. Pushing the myth of 700K, 800K or a million civilians killed by NDH serves no purpose apart from giving an excuse for future violent acts. The real numbers of victims were disgusting enough: 580K civilians and almost as much military – 10% of the population.

          • Bob

            Just of note. There are also few videos around of Nasser Oric and his Bosniak brigades that hid amonst and operated out of UN Srebrenica safe zone and triggered the whole disaster. Apart from actively attacking the UN troops to steal their weapons, Oric’s group murdered elderly isolated ethnic Serbs in villages around the area. Oric’s intent was to deliberately provoke a direct military response from larger local Bosnian Serb forces against the UN enclave.

          • Hrky75

            And did you know that Oric was a member of personal security detachment of Slobodan Milosevic right up until 1992. Coincidence? Don’t believe in those since 1990s. The guy that was coordinating Bosnian defense in the area (professional officer) was sacked in late 1992 for not sanctioning killing of Serbian civilians and POWs. All wars are messy and wars in the Balkans in particular. There’s a lot of gray shades all around and I really hate when people start distorting facts, spewing propaganda and accusing “the opponents” of “capitol crimes” claiming sainthood. No nation is inherently evil and every nation has something to be ashamed off. I hope that knobheads on all sides will learn that eventually…

          • Nebojsa

            If you are so good in Croatian history, why did not you mention that Croatia was one of the closest allies of the Nazy Germany? The Croats committed a genocide against the Serb population in the self-proclamed fascist state during the WW2. Regarding your clames about “one of the longest legal and political continuites”, would you be so kind and explain what happened in 12th century when Croatia lost its independence? Even the language they now call Croatian have its roots in Serbian language. One famous Serbian poet has written “that the Croats aro not brave because they do not have a fear, but because they do not have a shame”.

          • Hrky75

            Independent State of Croatia was a puppet state propped by Germans and Italians. As I recall Serbia had similar arrangement headed by Milan Nedic – a guy that helped the Nazis make Belgrade the first Judenrein city in Europe. I think that number of Croatian citizens that took part in partisan resistance made quite clear what they thought about Pavelic and Hitler. During 12 centuries you mention Croatia was in personal union with Hungary – not really independent but from legal point of view a separate kingdom – just like most of European countries were at the time and GB is to this day. In the end, a Serb should be the last person to lecture on genocide or shame – after all the word ethnic cleansing was first used for Serbian atrocities against Turk, Albanian and Bulgarian civilian population during Balkan Wars – you see I know some things about Serbian history too…

          • Nebojsa

            First, you can not compare Nedic’s state with your country. There is no similarity because Serbia was occupied and Croatia was liberated by Nazies. So called Independent State of Croatia had one of the most terryfying concentration camps – Jasenovac. You mentioned Serbian attrocities during Balkan Wars, but what happened with Croatian attrocities in Serbia during the WW1? You obviously have selective memory. What is the problem with the Croats? All your history is fabricated. You speak about some kind of a union with Hungary. OK. As I remember, that country has been called Hungary, not Croatia. If there were large number of Croats in partizan’s unit, why the major battles in Yugoslavian front were fought in areas with dominantly Serbian population. Finally, here is a picture from Zagreb in April 1941 when you celebrated your liberation:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/217133a471b5fc972d2573fd0a69de05b69674f1098efdda2efe8faad374a785.jpg

          • Hrky75

            Croatia had Jasenovac, Serbia had Sajmište and Banjica. The fact that chetniks didn’t need formal camps and preferred to cut their victims throats and chuck them in a river makes them anti-fascists in your wonky head I suppose. There were no Croatian atrocities in WWI in Serbia – 2 Croatian army corps were transferred from Serbian front in early 1915 to Galizia and Italian front. Majority of K&k units occupying Serbia and Montenegro were German and Austrian. Your ignorance of your own regions history is stupendous – if you don’t understand the term “personal union” try Wikipedia. Majority of the fighting in WW2 was fought in the areas with Serbian population for 2 reasons: because local Serbs were in rebellion because of atrocities against them (no one in his right mind could dispute that) and because Serbs populated sparsely inhabited and mountainous areas perfect for guerilla warfare. Finally a photo of Nazis and some of their allies
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/96033e44d621175fa65aea1f58ccaf9a556aee491260507f6b95c59fc4df4fdf.jpg

          • Nebojsa

            You only forgot to write that concentration camp Sajmište was located in present New Belgrade which belonged to the Independent State of Croatia. Batajnica was German kamp for mainly for communists. There are also mountain areas in Slovenia but there were no important battles there. Regarding Nazis and their allies, could you please explain us who fought in the Eastern front in Stalingrad on the Nazies side? Who was Marko Mesić? Regarding Croatian attrocities in WW1, please go to Šabac and other nearby towns and get information.

          • Hrky75

            25 different European nations fought on the Eastern front including one reinforced infantry regiment of approx. 5000 soldiers. A drop in the sea compared to 20K French, 30K Belgians or 50K Dutch. And nothing compared to 150K Croatians fighting in partisan units. Col. Mesic did later command a 3000 strong Yugosla legion consisting of Croatian POWs from Eastern front liberating Cacak and fighting on Syrmian front.

          • Nebojsa

            You are continously trying to minimize Croatian role as a Nazy ally. What does it matter how many nations fought, you were amongst them. By the way, it is interesting that many nations that fought at Stalingrad are now NATO members. Consider this discussion closed. You need too much time to respond, you are probably searching data on Wiki.

          • Hrky75

            Nope, I’m having 2 more of your compatriots ganging up on me and I’d like to give you equal attention. Not trying to minimize Croatian role in WW2, just putting the facts in correct perspective. Don’t worry, I also like to do it to right wing Croatian morons too….

          • Hrky75

            I only forgot about Banjica. Sajmište may have been on the other side of the river but was operated by Serb collaborators…

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          • Jens Holm

            Its crap. Serbia started WW1 and Yougoslavia was forced into an artificial strange mix state with king and not.

            No wonder so many croats didnt accept the serbish lords dominating them. So the base was joining fascism as a contrast to big insisting serbish great Serbia nationalisme. Croats as that time were not just taken by nazis and Mussolini.

            Of course Hitler helped, but the accets were almost all over.

          • Nebojsa

            Please educate yourself more. WW1 has been started by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Serbia did not start the war. There can be no equality between Serbian nationalism and fascism. Too much watcing CNN obviously.

          • Jens Holm

            To much throving dirt. I stop reading here.

            The most true version can be found at sites like Wikipedia.

          • Hrky75

            Feel free to compare my comments with Wiki and point out where i’m wrong…

          • 888mladen .

            My mother was an eye witness of Ustashe atrocities during WWII as a member of Serbian minority.

          • Jens Holm

            I vote for most of it. But I wont split those southern slaves up as if Serbs have a patent in language. They all incl the Bosniaks came from Tjekkes and Poles – something, where slovaks and hungarians came between them.

            I also allow me to mention, that serbs and muslims etnic cleansed back as revenge and more killing then that from others were done.

          • Jens Holm

            Very impressive way of change. That old kingdom was only 77 years 1000 years ago and hardly has anything to do with the Croatia of today. You could start by subtracting the dalmation coastlines as well. Venice being there, vatican, duke of Dubrovnoc. No croates live there as well. Everybody else did.
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            I allow me to compare You and Lars. If it was a footballmatch he had the whistle and You were the hooligan.

          • Hrky75

            As one old Serbian play says – first came the Serbs and then the amoebas – right? Your logic begs the response that the todays Serbs are actually illegitimate Turkish love-children, since they were under Islamic joke for 400 years – nad that they have nothing in common with Serbian kingdom of Dušan. Than you check the recent genom research and see that there are no pure blooded Croats nor Serbs. Some people for whatever reasons consider themselves Serbian, others Croatian – and that’s just fine by me. Since my family comes from Dubrovnik, saying that Croats don’t live their is stupid. and who did defend Dubrovnik in 1991/92 against Serbs and Montenegrins – Vikings? Anyway, you are hardly an impartial judge having vested interests in the argument…

          • Bob

            People of Croatian descent outside of Croatia – the migrant diaspora – tend to be more open about the country’s past, as their investment in the current alleged ‘victim of Yugoslavia’ narrative is far less. Spent years around migrant Croatian families and they are proud of their Adriatic heritage, but also well acknowledge the past problems, and an extreme nationalist minority in the diaspora. One family are open that a distant uncle was Ustashe member, wanted post war by authorities, that used Catholic rat-lines to flee to Argentina. He abandoned his own family and left them to be executed by vengeful local partisans – whilst having a second life in Argentina himself – that family think he was a complete disgrace and coward.

          • Hrky75

            Dalmatians – people from the Adriatic coast are generally much more open and liberal than the people from Dinaric interior. And that includes both Croats and Serbs. Those people overwhelmingly supported partisan movement and died in great numbers fighting against the Nazis. People that collaborated with the Nazis – bot Croats and Serbs – were in general, poor, uneducated peasants from the Croatian and Bosnian interior. Those people – like Sicilians and Afghans – use the opportunity of every new conflict to fight out ancient grievances. I’m extremely proud that my then 38 year old grandfather left his wife and 4 children to go and fight as a partisan – a volunteer. My other grandpa – 37 at the time left his pregnant wife in early 1941 and came back home for the first time in 1945. I like to think that I inherited some of their rebellious genes and hope to pass them on to my sons. I hate generalizations and despise nationalistic propaganda – this time around it’s comes from a bunch of misinformed Serbian kids, but I like to but heads with Croats extremists too.

          • Bob

            That is very interesting point about openness of Adriatic Dalmatians. As the migrant families I know have origins from the coastline – ie Mala Duba, Split etc. By default as coastal fishermen and small traders they would have had far more exposure to other groups along coastline, both west and east. One family in particular have some interesting stories about Adriatic – that going quite far back their family had a small direct coastal house for fishing work in summer and a second house and land higher up in hills for orchard grove, but also apparently, to send the family up to in era when there was danger from muslim pirate/raiders.

        • 888mladen .

          Perfectly true and that’s why I’m in Oceania with my family today. New Nazi Croatian government after cleansing the arias populated by Serbian minority rehabilitated all Croatians 5th column Nazi criminals from WWII and promoted them into national heroes and Croatia became a state of Croats instead of state of all its citizens irrespective of ethnicity or religion .After all that massacre the pope Jon Paul II came to bless Croatian leadership and their new country.

        • 888mladen .

          You forget to mention small Dutch underdogs too.

        • Jens Holm

          I just want to add croats did same thing.

      • PZIVJ

        Seems that you have opened up a hornets nest with a very simple question ! :)

        • Hrky75

          ;-) When they start comparing Milosevic to Assad, I admit I do get carried away…LOL

      • Jens Holm

        US and we didnt diveded Croatia. We were not theare at all before Croats and Serbs were in full scale war against eact other. When none could win, they both atttaced Bosnia to divede it by some napkin drawings by Milosowic and Tudjman.

        Its only correct we allowed Croatia to buy weapons, but we didnt allowed them to have artillery and in stead made a non fly zone to calm things down.

  • BL

    The gypsy scum oppose “iranian influence” but don’t mind completely selling out to US influence. These rats needs to be exterminated once and for all to permanently end their treason against the people of the region.

  • Real Anti-Racist Action

    The SDF just proved again they are a puppet regime for Israel. As this only serves Israels expansionist policies in the ME.
    Iran Iraq and Syria and Lebanon must work as ‘One’ as far as defense goes in the ME.
    Iran must dispatch whatever they need to dispatch to clear the area of SDF-terrorist.
    ISIS is over, and now a more deadly terrorist organisation the SDF must be eradicated.
    http://en.farsnews.com/Default.aspx

  • Ivanus59

    Everyone have already have accepted that SDF will capture Raqqa, but IF they really do move against SAA or PMU or if they go for more landgrabbing (for example in Deir Ezzor) after the battle of Raqqa then they must be mercilessly wiped out from the face of the earth, completely disintegrated down to the tiniest molecule! And lol, they are just making enemies out over everyone in the region! That was was Turkey was doing all these years and now Kurdoids want to replace Turkey as the main threat or at least they would share the number 1 spot… If they truly do go forward and attack PMU or SAA then just let Turks invade, impale them all on pikes and behead them and rape them and take them into slavery then the turks should go back, or if not, just fight a new war against Turks, but 1st let them fight each other.

  • ADIGA_NART

    “Then, the SDF vowed that it will not accept any corridor between Iran
    and ‘the Syrian regime’ and will oppose any PMU attempt to enter the
    Syrian territory, Al Ghad Press reported citing a source among the SDF leadership.”

    The SDF state that it will not be a bridge between PMU and Syrian regime. not (will not allow)

  • John Mason

    Kurds are reknown for being worse than traitors. Syrian government needs to get full control of its’ territory and if the Kurds get in the way then too bad for them. The PMU would love to destroy the Kurds.

  • AMHants

    I thought President Assad was the leader of Syria and he has his own Forces? So why do the SDF believe they have a voice, when Syria is virtually on top of running things?