Russia’s New Maritime Doctrine And Issues With The Surface Fleet

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Russia’s New Maritime Doctrine And Issues With The Surface Fleet

This analysis considers the changes in the maritime doctrine of the Russian Federation and the difficulties for the Russian surface fleet in implementing this doctrine. The analysis is made by SouthFront Team under the general editorship of Daniel Deiss.

Russia’s New Maritime Doctrine And Issues With The Surface Fleet

Maritime doctrine of the Russian Federation to the year 2030. Requirements and priorities

Current changes to the global geopolitical map are being fueled by struggles between world powers for control over strategically important logistical communications, corridors, staging areas, and potential markets. One important arena of this struggle are the planet’s oceans, and the key competitors are the United States, China, and Russia. These state actors are reassessing the competition, rethinking military doctrines, and establishing new responsibilities for their armed forces. Of special importance is the development of naval capabilities equal to the tasks set before them. Each of the three main competing powers have their own aims which come from their specific geopolitical position, economic potential, and unique considerations of national security and cultural strategy. In the last several years following Russia’s return to the world stage as a power to be reckoned with, Moscow has significantly revised its approach to challenges and threats. As part of this work on new strategic plans detailing the character of Russia’s naval presence on the high seas, the maritime doctrine was updated and then approved on July twentieth, 2017. The main threat to Russia was identified as “the efforts of a number of states, primarily the United State of America and its allies, to dominate the oceans, including the Arctic, and to establish overwhelming naval superiority.”

The Atlantic is of special interest to Russia due to the increasing economic, political, and military pressure from NATO countries and the consequent sharp reduction in Russia’s capacity to project power in the region. Additionally, Russia’s political and military leadership are striving to strengthen the armed forces in the strategically important Mediterranean and Black seas, which also have repercussions on the Atlantic.

The main priorities of naval policies in the Arctic region are to maintain the Russian fleet’s access to the Atlantic as well as to safeguard exclusive access to the rich natural resources of the continental shelf. The Northern fleet plays a vital role in defense of the state and continued, unhindered economic development.

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The importance of the Pacific for the Russian Federation is also huge and continues to grow. The Russian Far East sits on enormous resources but is sparsely populated and largely isolated from the industrially developed regions of the country. This situation is aggravated by the intense economic and military development of neighboring states in the Asia-Pacific region, which has a strong influence on economic, demographic, and other processes in the region.

One area previously ignored in the maritime doctrine but which was included in the revised version devotes attention to Russia’s shipbuilding capacity. The inclusion of this section in the doctrine is due to the critical situation of the naval construction industry and the physical state of the military and commercial fleet. For example, the doctrine estimates that in order to maintain a shipping volume of 1129 million tons, it will be necessary to build 1470 cargo ships with deadweight of 22.9 million tons. Furthermore, 1069 vessels will need to be scrapped and replaced due to aging, and 401 vessels will need to be built in addition to that which exists today.

The doctrine describes how the ability of Russia to effectively react to challenges and threats requires a significant strengthening of the navy and a presence on the oceans.

In order to defend its interests, the navy requires a minimum of two full-fledged aircraft carriers – one in the Arctic and the second in the Mediterranean. This says nothing of the large number of surface vessels which could be needed for other sea zones. The deployment of an aircraft carrier in the Pacific would only be possible in the distant future. So far, it appears that surface groups deployed in distant sea zones are being folded back into existing groups closer to home.

The new doctrine emphasizes the capabilities of naval aviation in relation to nuclear strategy. Without air cover to deal with the likely superiority of enemy anti-submarine aviation, it is impossible to guarantee not only combat readiness but also the deployment of submarines with their ballistic missile payloads which form the main nuclear strike capability of the Russian navy. Missile-carrying vessels and shore-based surveillance aviation as well as anti-submarine aviation would be unable to successfully go into action without fighter cover. Fighter cover is necessary for the combat efficiency of large ships. In turn, surface vessels make possible the deployment and safe return of submarines from combat areas as well as the movement and deployment of paratroopers. The surface fleet plays the defining role in building mine fields as well as mine-clearing operations. The traditional uses for surface vessels include launching strikes on enemy objects within their own territory, defending shorelines from enemy naval forces, and engaging in anti-submarine operations. In these ways, surface vessels perform a number of critical functions on the battlefield. They can carry out these functions independently, in groups, or in coordination with other naval forces like submarines, carrier-born aviation, and the marines.

Due to the important role played by the navy in Russian power projection, the navy and the surface fleet in particular are faced with many critical challenges which must be addressed today or in the nearest future.

While the Russian air force and submarine fleet are equipped to meet their particular challenges, the surface fleet finds itself in a complex and even paradoxical situation. In order to analyze the condition of the surface fleet, it is necessary to survey the current line of surface vessels as well as the construction and modernization plans which are part of the government’s rearmament strategy.

Current state and capabilities of the Russian surface fleet

Project 1143.5 heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser “Admiral of the fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov”

Russia’s only ship of this type. Tasked with the destruction  of large surface targets and defense of naval assets from attack by enemy carrier-born units and submarines.

  • Homeport: Severomorsk, Northern fleet
  • Laid down on September first, 1982  at the Black Sea Shipyard and launched on December fourth, 1985. Commissioned and joined the Northern fleet on January twentieth, 1991. In 2018 the ship is undergoing a refit and modernization at the Zvezdochka naval refit center in Severodvinsk.

Tactical and technical specifications of the Project 1143.5 heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser “Admiral of the fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov”

  • Speed: 29 knots
  • Endurance: 45 days
  • Complement: 1960 crewmembers
  • Propulsion: 4 x 50,000 horse power steam turbines, 9 x 1500 kilowatts turbogenerators, 6 x 1500 kilowatts diesel generators

Size

  • Length: 302.3 meters
  • Length at the waterline: 270 meters
  • Beam: 72.3 meters
  • Beam at the waterline: 35.4 meters
  • Draft: 9.14 meters
  • Standard displacement: 43,000 tons
  • Full load displacement: 55,000 tons
  • Maximum displacement: 58,600 tons

Armament

  • The carrier is equipped with rocket launchers (12 Granit anti-ship cruise missiles and 60 Udav-1 anti-submarine missiles) and the Klinok (192 missiles, 24 launchers) and Kashtan (256 missiles) anti-aircraft missile systems.
  • It can carry up to 24 Ka-27 multi-use helicopters, up to 16 Yak-41M vertical take-off and landing fighters, and up to 12 Su-27K naval fighters.
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Project 1144 and 11442 heavy missile cruiser

Out of three cruisers, one (Pyotr Velikiy) is in service. The main function of these vessels is to carry out rocket strikes on American carrier battle groups.

Admiral Lazarev

  • Homeport: Vladivostok, Pacific fleet.
  • The cruiser was laid down on July twenty-seventh, 1978 at the Baltic Shipyard in Leningrad (St. Petersburg), launched on May twenty-sixth, 1981, and commissioned in December 1984. Its status is not released, but it will most likely be scrapped.

Admiral Nakhimov

  • Homeport: Severomorsk, Northern fleet.
  • The cruiser was laid down on May seventeenth, 1983 at the Baltic Shipyard in in Leningrad (St. Petersburg), launched on April twenty-fifth, 1986, and commissioned on December thirtieth, 1988. Its status is not released, but it will most likely be refitted.

Pyotr Velikiy

The flagship of Russia’s Northern fleet.

  • Homeport: Severomorsk, Northern fleet.
  • The cruiser was laid down on April twenty-fifth, 1986 at the Baltic Shipyard in in Leningrad (St. Petersburg), launched on April twenty-fifth, 1989, and commissioned in 1998. It is currently in service.

Tactical and technical specifications of the heavy missile cruiser Pyotr Velikiy

  • Propulsion: 2 boilers, 140,000 horse power nuclear reactor
  • Speed: 31 knots
  • Endurance: 60 days of food and supplies, 3 years of fuel (unlimited on nuclear reactor)
  • Complement: 655 crewmembers

Size

  • Length: 251.1 meters
  • Beam: 28.5 meters
  • Height: 59 meters
  • Draft: 10.3 meters
  • Standard displacement: 23,750 tons
  • Full load displacement: 25,860 tons

Armament

  • AK-130 130mm anti-aircraft gun
  • 20 SM-233 rocket launchers
  • 12 Rif anti-aircraft guided missile systems (96 missiles)
  • 2 Klinok (Kinzhal) anti-aircraft missile systems
  • 6 3M87 Kashtan (Kortik) air defense gun-missile systems
  • 2 RPK-6M Vodopad 533mm anti-submarine missile-torpedo systems
  • Anti-torpedo RKPTZ-1 Udav-1M system
  • RBU-12000 Udav-1 and RBU-1000 Smerch-3 rocket launchers
  • 2 PU PK-14 150mm anti-missile systems
  • 2 heavy Ka-27 Helix-V multi-use helicopters
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Project 1164 missile cruiser

Out of the three cruisers of this type, two (Varyag and Marshal Ustinov) are in service. They fill the area between the Project 1144 heavy missile cruisers and the Project 956 destroyers. The main functions of these vessels are to strengthen the capabilities of fleets deployed in distant seas and to destroy enemy surface ships including aircraft carriers. Later on, the responsibilities of the Project 1164 grew to include striking enemy group formations, carrying out assignments from naval command, escorting convoys in distant seas, dealing with submarines, firing on enemy-held shorelines, and providing support to paratroopers.

Moskva

  • The cruiser was laid down on November fourth, 1976 at the Nikolayev Shipyard, launched on July twenty-seventh, 1979, and commissioned on January thirtieth, 1983. It is being refitted with a modernized engine system at either the Zvezdochka naval refit center in Severodvinsk or its branch in Sevastopal.

Marshal Ustinov

  • The cruiser was laid down on October fifth, 1978 at the Nikolayev Shipyard, launched on February twenty-fifth, 1982, and commissioned on November fifth, 1986. It is in service with the Northern fleet.

Varyag

  • The cruiser was laid down on July thirty-first, 1979 at the Nikolayev Shipyard, launched on August twenty-eighth, 1983, and commissioned on February twenty-eighth, 1990. It is in service with the Pacific fleet.

Tactical and technical specifications of the Varyag missile cruiser

  • Speed: 32 knots
  • Cruising speed: 16 knots
  • Endurance: 30 days
  • Complement: 480 crewmembers

Size

  • Length: 186.4 meters
  • Beam: 20.8 meters
  • Height: 42.5 meters
  • Draft: 8.4 meters
  • Displacement: 11,490 tons

Armament

  • 16 P-500 Bazalt anti-ship missile launchers
  • 2 torpedo tubes
  • RBU-6000 Smerch-2 rocket launcher
  • 2 AK-130 130mm anti-aircraft guns
  • AK-630 30mm close-in weapon system
  • 2 Osa-MA anti-aircraft missile systems
  • 8 S-300F Rif anti-aircraft guided missile systems
  • Ka-25 or Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopter
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Project 956 destroyers

Out of the eight cruisers of this type, three are in service. They are Admiral Ushakov (Northern fleet), Buistriy (Pacific Fleet), and Nastoychiviy (Baltic Fleet). Another four (Bezboyazneniy, Boyevoy, Bespokoyniy, Burniy) are awaiting refits. Gremyashiy is to be scrapped. The main functions of these vessels are to suppress small land targets, destroy anti-airborne defenses, destroy concentrations of enemy men and material, provide anti-aircraft and anti-missile fire support for landing forces, and destroy surface vessels in coordination with other fleet elements.

Tactical and technical specifications of the Nastoychiviy

  • Speed: 32 knots
  • Propulsion: 2 x GTZA 50,000 horse power steam engines, 2 fixed pitch screws
  • Complement: 296 crewmembers
  • Endurance: 30 days

Size

  • Standard displacement: 6500 tons
  • Full load displacement: 7940 tons
  • Length: 156.5 meters
  • Beam: 17.2 meters
  • Draft: 5.96 meters

Armament

  • 2 AK-130 130mm anti-aircraft guns
  • 4 AK-630 30mm close-in weapon system
  • 2 P-270 Moskit anti-ship cruise missile launchers
  • 2 RBU-1000 Smerch-3 rocket launchers
  • 2 Shtil anti-aircraft missile systems
  • 2 dual 533mm torpedo tubes
  • Ka-27 helicopter
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Project 1155 and 1155.1 missile destroyers

Out of the nine destroyers of this type, seven are in service. They are Admiral Panteleev (Pacific fleet), Admiral Vinogradov (Pacific fleet), Admiral Levchenko (Northern fleet), Admiral Tributs (Pacific fleet), Marshal Shaposhnikov (Pacific fleet), Severomorsk (Northern fleet), and Vitse-admiral Kulakov (Northern fleet). Admiral Chabanenko is being refitted. Admiral Kharlamov is in reserve. The main functions of these vessels are battling submarines on the high seas. The oldest ship is Vitse-admiral Kulakov which has been in service since December 1981. The newest ship is Admiral Panteleev which has been in service since December 1991.

Tactical and technical specifications of Admiral Chabanenko

  • Propulsion: dual-shaft COGAG turbines, 2 M-63 9000 horsepower gas turbine plants, 2 M-8KF 22,500 horsepower afterburner gas turbine plants
  • Speed: 32 knots
  • Cruising speed: 18 knots
  • Endurance: 30 days
  • Complement: 296 crewmembers

Size

  • Standard displacement: 7700 tons
  • Full load displacement: 8900 tons
  • Length: 163.4 meters
  • Beam: 19.5 meters
  • Average draft: 5.2 meters
  • Draft when outfitted with sonar system: 7.9 meters

Armament

  • P-270 Moskit anti-ship cruise missile launcher with the Mineral target designation system
  • 2 Klinok (Kinzhal) anti-aircraft missile systems
  • 2 3M87 Kashtan (Kortik) air defense gun-missile systems
  • AK-130 130mm anti-aircraft gun
  • Vodopad-NK anti-submarine missile system
  • Anti-torpedo Udav-1 system
  • 2 Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopters
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Project 11540 frigates

Out of the two frigates of this type, one, Yaroslav Mudriy (Baltic fleet), is in service. The Neustrashimiy is undergoing a refit until 2019. The main functions of these vessels are search, detection, and tracking of enemy submarines, provide anti-ship and anti-submarine defense for other vessels, carry out strikes on ships and their bases, support land operations, and protect amphibious landing forces.

Tactical and technical specifications of Yaroslav Mudriy

  • Propulsion: dual-shaft COGAG turbines, 2 gas turbine plants with a total 20,000 horsepower, 2 afterburner gas turbine plants with a total 37,000 horsepower
  • Power: 57,000 horsepower
  • Speed: 30 knots
  • Cruising speed: 18 knots
  • Endurance: 30 days
  • Complement: 27 officers, 31 midshipmen, 155 enlisted

Size

  • Displacement: 4500 tons
  • Length: 129.8 meters
  • Beam: 15.6 meters
  • Average draft: 8.35 meters

Armament

  • 6 533mm torpedo tubes
  • Vodopad-NK anti-submarine missile system
  • RBU-6000 Smerch-2 rocket launcher
  • 4 Klinok (Kinzhal) anti-aircraft missile systems
  • 2 Kashtan (Kortik) air defense gun-missile systems
  • AK-100 100mm anti-aircraft gun with MR-145 Lev radar system
  • Ka-27 anti-submarine helicopter
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Project 1135, 1135M, 11352, 11356 frigates

The following five frigates are in service: Admiral Makarov, Admiral Essen, Admiral Grigorivich, Ladniy, and Puitliviy (all from the Black Sea fleet). An additional three are under development (Project 11356): Admiral Butakov, Admiral Istomin, and Admiral Kornilov. Admiral Butadov launched in 2016, while Admiral Istomin and Admiral Kornilov launched in 2017. They are intended to be in service in 2020 or 2021 with the Black Sea fleet. The main functions of these vessels are combat with surface vessels and submarines, repel air attacks independently or in coordination with other forces, security and strike missions in the Black and Mediterranean Seas, and participate in anti-terrorist and anti-pirate operations.

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Tactical and technical specifications of Admiral Makarov

  • Propulsion: 2 diesel 30,450 horsepower gas turbines, M7N1 8450 horsepower gas turbines, 4 WCM-800 diesel generators
  • Speed: 30 knots
  • Endurance: 30 days
  • Range: 4850 miles at 14 knots
  • Complement: 180 crewmembers and 20 infantry

Size

  • Standard displacement: 3620 tons
  • Full load displacement: 4035 tons
  • Length: 124.8 meters
  • Beam: 15.2 meters
  • Draft: 4.2 meters

Armament

  • 8 Kalibr-NK anti-submarine anti-ship missiles
  • A-190 100mm gun emplacement
  • 2 (Kortik or Palash) air defense gun-missile systems
  • Shtil anti-aircraft missile system
  • 8 Igla-1 surface-to-air missile launchers
  • 12 RBU-6000 Smerch-2 rocket launchers
  • 6 533mm torpedo tubes
  • Ka-27 or Ka-31 helicopter
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Project 22350 multi-role frigates

One ship of this type is in service, the Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov (Northern fleet). An additional three are being developed: Admiral Flota Kasatonov, Admiral Golovko, and Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Isakov. These vessels are the navy’s backbone in the Arctic, Atlantic, and Mediterranean.

The lead ship Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov has been in service since July 2018. Admiral Flota Kasatonov has been launched and it is planned to enter service in 2019. Admiral Golovko was laid down in 2012 and Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Isakov was laid down in 2013 with both launches planned for 2020.

Tactical and technical specifications of Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov

  • Speed: 30 knots
  • Endurance: 30 days
  • Range: 4850 miles at 14 knots
  • Complement: 180 crewmembers and 20 infantry
  • Full load displacement: 4500 tons
  • Length: 135 meters
  • Beam: 15 meters
  • Draft: 4.5 meter
  • Propulsion: 2 diesel 30,450 horsepower gas turbines, M7N1 8450 horsepower gas turbines, 4 WCM-800 diesel generators

Armament

  • Kalibr-NK anti-submarine anti-ship missiles with 32 Oniks or Kalibr missiles
  • Paket anti-submarine system
  • A-192 130mm cannon
  • 2 Palash air defense gun-missile systems
  • Ka-27PL helicopter
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Current numbers

The Russian Navy’s surface fleet, which is in service and ready to carry out operations in the second half of 2018, is as follows:

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*In the second half of 2018, the Russian Navy had no combat ready aircraft carrier (heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser)

The Russian Navy’s submersible fleet, which is in service and ready to carry out operations in the second half of 2018, is as follows:

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It is clear from this information that the Russian Federation’s surface fleet is not ready to carry out its obligations according to the Maritime Doctrine – 2030. In reality, it is one strike group which has been spread from the Atlantic to the Pacific. It is unable to react to threats in an effective and timely manner. In order to gather these forces in one combat theater would take a month at minimum. Expecting the surface fleet to fulfill its responsibilities under the Maritime Doctrine – 2030 is unrealistic. It bears mentioning that a large part of the fleet has aged and modernization given economic realities is doubtful.

Russia’s state rearmament program

Now we will look at how the development of the surface fleet will meet the challenges specified by the rearmament program.

About 4.7 trillion rubles has been appropriated for the navy’s modernization from 2011 through 2020 with an additional 2.6 trillion rubles designated for the army. These plans call for entry into service of 10 Project 955 missile cruisers, 10 Project 885 nuclear submarines Project cruise missiles, 20 non-nuclear submarines including 6 Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines and 14 rebuilt Project 677s, 14 frigates including 6 Project 11356s and 8 Project 22350s, 35 corvettes including 18 Project 20380s and 20385s with the others being anticipated future versions.

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This construction program is the most ambitious rearmament since the fall of the Soviet Union. The state rearmament program 2011-2020 (GPV 2011-2020) includes a construction program for a coastal fleet, designed not only to defend Russia’s shores but also to defend Russia’s interests in deeper waters. This program is the only area in which there has been no progress made under the Maritime Doctrine to 2030. The GPV 2011-2020 is turning out to be entirely unrealistic both in terms of construction capacity and the ability to finance these projects. In 2015 and 2016 it became clear that the budget and military industrial complex were inadequate and that additional funding for the GPV is impossible.

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The revised GPV 2018-2027 determined that each branch of the military would receive roughly the same resources. It also takes into account Russia’s actual ship-building capacity and emphasizes work on submarines and smaller vessels like corvettes and frigates. A key point of the naval part of GPV 2018-2027 will be the construction of coastal vessels armed with cruise missiles, strategic missile submarines, and lastly multi-role submarines – to be developed in that order. In this way, the new GPV addresses both open and closed seas.

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What hapened to planned surface vessels included in GPV 2011-2020 but are absent in GPV 2018-2027

The Project 23000 Shtorm nuclear aircraft carrier was not included in GPV 2018-2027. In May 2018 a source in the Russian Navy explained that a concrete decision on development of a new aircraft carrier and preparation of the project’s documentation would begin in 2019. It is possible that this aircraft carrier could be laid down in 2021 or 2022 and preliminary estimates say its construction would take about ten years. Blueprints indicate the vessel would have a displacement of 80 to 90,000 tons, a length of 330 meters, beam of 40 meters, and draft of 11 meters. It could carry up to 90 aircraft and 3000 missiles and bombs. Which company would build the project has not been indicated. By the most optimistic estimates, work could not begin earlier than 2022.

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The Project 23560 Lider destroyer finds itself in a similar situation. Unlike the aircraft carrier, all work on this project has been postponed until after 2025. In January 2018, a source in the Russian Navy explained that technical and design work on the Lider is set to begin after 2020 with construction of this lead ship to begin in 2025 by the firm Severnaya Verf (St. Petersburg). The vessel will have a displacement of about 17,500 tons, length of 200 meters, beam of 20 meters, and a maximum speed of 32 knots. Lider’s armament will include 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 guided missiles, and 16 anti-submarine guided missiles. Severnaya Verf is planned on building two helicopter carriers and then beginning construction of the destroyer. Development work on the helicopter carriers will begin in 2018, with construction beginning in 2020 and launch set for 2024.

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Challenges with the naval surface fleet

What is causing the gap between plans and reality in GPV 2011-2020 and GPV 2018-2027? There are several main reasons.

Personnel. It’s not a secret that the navy suffered more than other branches from the fall of the Soviet Union. The navy today has a serious manpower shortage. The average age of its staff is 55-57. 30% of its specialists are older than 60. There is a major lack of personnel between 35 and 45. The shortfall in technical engineers in the industry is at 17%, construction engineers at 22%, and specialists in a variety of fields up to 40%. By way of comparison, the aviation and tank industries did not lose their personnel between 1990 and 2000, and they fulfilled their obligations under GPV 2011-2020 and are fulfilling them under GPV 2018-2027. This is due to export orders worth billions of dollars. This allowed personnel to be maintained, occasionally factories modernized, and cooperation between corporations in the industry continued. Military ship-building of anything significant for the surface fleet more or less came to a halt during this period. Modernizations and technical service was continued for exported ships but this clearly was insufficient to allow the navy to fulfill its GPV requirements today.

Industrial capacity. Since the collapse of the USSR, the Russian ship-building industry has not produced anything on the scale of the Project 23560 Lider. Neither the USSR nor Russia built a full-fledged aircraft carrier. The industry, which already has a lack of experience, could encounter problems which would lead to long delays in production. These issues are not visible during the planning phase. The initial planning for the Project 23560 Lider destroyer did not take very long, which is the only source of optimism to the naval command. New issues may arise in the near-future during the engineering design phase. Among other things, difficulties should be expected in the planning and development of specific components. Issues in this project which could arise in a number of areas, negatively reflect on the entire destroyer building program. Issues with the armaments and electronic systems cannot be ruled out either.

Added to the fray could be the search for a suitable location to build the Project 23560 lead ship and others of its class. Few Russian shipyards are equipped to build such a large vessel and existing capacity is already backordered for the next several years. As a result the navy and military industrial complex will have to plan the construction of large vessels around the industry’s current and future abilities.

Funding. According to a number of Russian experts, the process of creating a single aircraft carrier would cost 350-400 billion rubles (at 2018 valuation). Including the aviation component and group ships, the price tag passes 1 trillion rubles. The cost of reconstruction of existing industrial space for building large naval vessels would be astronomical and Russia does not have the money nor will it have the money in the near future.

Technology. A number of critical technologies for building an aircraft carrier in Russia today are lacking. There is no shipborne aviation with long-distance radars, shipborne anti-submarine aircraft, or sudden take off and vertical landing aircraft even under development. It is possible to do these things but it would cost additional billions of rubles and years of R&D.

Engines. As long as engineering work on ocean-going vessels has not even started, it is pointless to talk about the power plant for destroyers or aircraft carriers. There is more hope for the Russian fleet to produce gas turbine engines for smaller surface vessels and the future construction of large ocean-going ships depends on their success in this. According to information from the Rybinsk manufacturer, Saturn, they have built at least four M90FR engines for Russia’s navy and one for testing. Furthermore, two gas turbine engines for the last two Project 22350 frigates are already complete and are awaiting the delivery of reduction drives. The company has also built at least three M70FRU engines which are presumably for the Project 11356 frigates. Despite this, some Russian experts doubt the operational readiness of these first of their series gas turbine engines as prototypes still need to be tested. It is likely that the delay in the completion of the Project 23560 is due to waiting on the results of government tests.

Challenges in the areas of organization and planning. After a delay of several years, the refit of the only Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser, Admiral Kyznetsov, began. It is planned to be undergoing this refit and modernization from 2018 until 2020. However, the condition of the Russian shipyards is such that there is a risk of serious delays similar to that which plagued the nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, which was supposed to return to service in 2012 but which in fact began its refit in 2015 and may not be completed until 2021. Out of the large ships undergoing a refit and modernization in this decade, only the missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov completed the process successfully and even at that, the process which was expected to take three years ended up taking more than five. Furthermore, the modernization work was limited especially if you don’t count the radar outfit. The PKR P-500 Bazalt was replaced with the more up-to-date (but still developed during the Soviet period) P-1000 Vulkan, while the other armaments stayed the same.

Bases and resupply points. Another difficulty of developing an ocean-going fleet with an aircraft carrier is that Russia lacks a network of military bases overseas like that which supports US naval power. Of course, these open seas ships have a great deal of autonomy but on long voyages they still need to take on new stores of water and food and make routine repairs.

The Russian ship-building industry is the most troubled out of the entire military-industrial complex. Its number of failed programs is as bad as that of the space industry, keeping in mind both its military as well as civilian parts. Unfortunately, the current state of military ship-building does not engender optimism. With the exception of specific companies, the industry as a whole is in a crisis which leads to catastrophic delays in the majority of programs.

Paths to solving the issues in the military ship-building industry

To remedy the deficit in personnel in the military-industrial complex will take years. In the last few years, the Russian leadership has encouraged development in this area through the setting of legal norms in the training of new personnel. This comes in addition to legislation “About education in the Russian Federation” and a Presidential Order from October fourteenth, 2012 on increasing the ability of the state to support worker organizations in the defense industry. It’s important to understand that resolving any given problem in planning or construction will require specific specialists. In other words, decisions have to be made now about what kind of fleet is needed and then how many and what kind of specialists to train. Even if these processes are successfully realized, training the necessary personnel for an area will take years, if not decades.

A number of specialists investigating various ways of solving these problems in the industry are taking in account the Korean experience with building large ships like supertankers and super containerships. Korea took a path of intensive scientific and technological progress and implementation of innovations in ship-building. The main risks with this strategy are from the development of knowledge economy, or more to the point, from the rate of growth compared to the rate of production of the main competitors. It demands not only the uninterrupted import of technology from abroad, but also the development of a scientific and engineering base inside the country. Especially for construction of large, specialized purpose open-sea vessels where the amount of imported technology is large, the work is just a question of assembly and the Korean companies play a minor role in the actual development process. The reality of Russia’s position today disallows this sort of strategy, particularly for the construction of a modern navy.

Shipyards certainly will not be able to find space before the end of this decade more the construction of the Project 23560 Lider destroyer, to say nothing of building an aircraft carrier. Possibly for this reason the country’s leadership and naval command decided not to hurry the process. It makes sense to study the engineering and construction decisions made on analogous enemy ships and prepare the technical response in Russia’s own ships in order to level the playing field as much as possible. In this case it would be better to invest in research and technological development such as missile systems, strike coordination systems, and unmanned aerial vehicles. At the same time existing systems should be modernized and if resources allow, ships of whatever type can be built over the course of seven or eight years. Following on this it would be reasonable to begin the development of just one series of frigate.

Concerning the propulsion for the proposed aircraft carriers and destroyers, it may not make sense to develop a gas turbine engine from scratch for these types of ships. Warships in distant waters with gas turbine engines would be extremely reliant on refueling. For the US Navy which has a network of bases and supplies, this is not a problem. However, the Russian Navy would be better served by building ships with nuclear propulsion. For example, the KN-3 TARKR reactors from the Project 1144 Pyotr Velikiy were developed on the foundation of icebreakers’ OK-900 reactors. Today, next generation RITM-200 reactors are used in the new LK-60Ya icebreakers (Arktika, Sibir, and Ural). They are lighter and more compact than the OK-900, but operate for three times as long and use 80% as much fuel. It needs to be refueled every seven years (as opposed to ever 2 or 3 like the OK-900) using civilian 20% enriched uranium, however it never needs to be refueled using more heavily enriched uranium. Probably the entire military-industrial complex is practical applications for the RITM-200 reactor so with modifications it could be installed on the destroyers. The first icebreaker sporting the type of propulsion system should enter service in 2019.

Speaking of existing gas turbine engine models, the implementation of their mass production is one example of successfully and quickly replacing Ukrainian production. Another example of fairly quickly developing domestic capacity was the production of VKhD water-water coolant systems and MKhD water-oil coolant systems. Russian diesel engines are constantly becoming more reliable. In 2017 the Kingiseppskiy Machine-building Factory officially announced the launch of the diesel family M-50 and M-500.  According to the results of a comprehensive audit, the company presented the necessary technological processes in the manufacturing of components for marine engines of various sizes, including the ChN18/20 and ChN16/17. In this industry it is much more important to develop the processes, modernization, and construction of diesel engines for ships of smaller displacement. Balance needs to be found between constant regulation of the industry and at the same time maintain competitive conditions. The first half of this can be accomplished with the establishment of a center to monitor the industry which will process details about the pace of work and fulfillment of government defense contracts. This type of control would provide alerts about problems and allow for additional material and financing to be directed at those issues. Stimulating competition in the industry is a much less familiar task for the Russian military-industrial complex. Today, the industry is essentially a monopoly and naval command lacks influence over it in the case of delays or quality issues. Increasing competition would prevent situations like a practically finished ship not being put into service because its engines are faulty.

As for bases and supplies, some historically active bases could be reinstated with some countries in Africa and South-east Asia.

Conclusion

Considering the preceding analysis, the Russian surface fleet is currently unable to effectively realize the demands of the Maritime Doctrine to 2030. This is due to a whole series of problems such as a lack of personnel, the loss of industrial capacity, and the lack of a space in which to build aircraft carriers and other large ships. On top of this, the condition of fleet itself is deteriorating. The remedies applied by the Russian leadership have not been enough. Following the logic in GPV 2018-2027 and the actual condition of the Navy’s surface fleet, by 2030 Russia could lose components of the fleet which are able to independently and effectively act on open-seas. Of course as a branch of the armed forces, the Navy will still exist, but the maximum which could be expected would be the defense of its own bases and parts of the Russian coast with demonstrations in seas close to Russian territory. Furthermore, the ability of the Navy to carry out one of its most important tasks, the deployment of naval strategic nuclear forces, would be put in doubt. Nuclear and diesel submarines deployed without surface cover are defenseless and blind.

Russia’s New Maritime Doctrine And Issues With The Surface Fleet

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On the other hand, there are many signals that the military and political leadership clearly understands these issues and how things stand in the Navy, and place high importance on the development of naval power.

The Russian leadership is planning to develop the fleet for asymmetrical containment using modern twenty-first century technology like that which President Putin recently unveiled to the world. These plans include automation of manned and unmanned naval systems, unmanned surface ships and submarines, modern torpedoes and missiles, and weapons based on new principles of physics.

Concerning the ocean-going surface fleet, the technical redevelopment of shipyards, training of personnel and specialists, and R&D on potential projects will all have to be waited on. Only then can the modernization of the fleet really begin.

Therefore, for the foreseeable future, the surface fleet must defend Russian waters with corvettes and frigates. To discuss a growing Russian naval presence on the high seas in the near-term would be premature. The surface fleet could at most carry out one campaign or one extended tour on the oceans.

The situation that meets this definition right now is the Navy’s deployment in the eastern Mediterranean Sea as part of the Syrian intervention.

An effective presence on open-seas will not be possible earlier than 2030 and only if current naval funding and other defense programs are maintained at their current levels.

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  • SFC Steven M Barry USA RET

    This report is quite good, and appropriately for such things, bland and objective.

    Don’t know all that much about naval stuff; but how about commissioning Chinese shipyards to start churning out hulls, then fit them out in Russian yards?

    • Ivan Freely

      It would be ideal, especially if the Russian Navy continues to use STOBAR carriers. China’s Dalian Shipyards have demonstrated it can do it (see their 2nd carrier). However, Russian pride, especially from their ultra-nationalists, will be the biggest obstacle.

  • Jesus

    The analysis is more pessimistic than it needs to be, the Russian fleet although it is currently short on capital ships, it is remodernizing carrier Kuznetsov, and battle cruisers Nakhimov and Peter the Great, the battle cruisers having tremendous firepower armed with Oniks, Kalibr, Tsirkon, S400 and S500 missiles.
    A task force can be formed around each battle cruiser, consisting of new frigates and some older destroyers along with some diesel and nuclear powered attack subs capable of projecting blue water power in Asia, having friendly shores like China, Vietnam, Indonesia …etc.
    The Russian standoff antiship missile capabilities in blue water situation would engage a carrier task force effectively, having more than highly capable surface to air missile naval version of S350, S400, S500 in case of enemy aircraft would make it through.

    SLBMs are not under threat of any enemy ASW aircraft, since Russian Air Force can provide exclusive air coverage using MIG 31 and Suk 30, 35 armed with R37 AAM easily provide a no fly zone for at least 2500 kms.
    Also Bulava SLBMs have a range over 8000 kms easily hitting targets from the vicinity of their bases.

  • Sinbad2

    Trying to be all things to all people is what has destroyed the American empire.
    Better that Russia sticks to defense, and what it does best, missiles and planes.
    Some subs to kill troublemakers, a few ships to wave the flag, and let China build the biggest fleet the world has ever seen.

    • Promitheas Apollonious

      Why?

      • Sinbad2

        Because if you spend all your money on toys that don’t produce returns, you end up like Greece.

    • Jesus

      American empire is being destroyed by stupidity, arrogance, hubris and greed.
      US stock markets have been taking a beating for the last two days on the fact that interest rates are going higher because of inflation…..and the effects of the tariffs war have not fully been felt yet, they are expected to convey its economic impact in 2019.
      With Treasury rates going up, those that own the bonds see the value of their portfolios diminish to make up for higher interest rates, while the Treasury has to pay higher interest rates for new debt.

      • Sinbad2

        “American empire is being destroyed by stupidity, arrogance, hubris and greed.”

        And a big part of that, is spending 50% of discretionary revenue on defense.

        PS

        Treasury rates are currently going down, as people flee the stock market and run to the safety of bonds?

        https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie%2C_2015_enacted.png

        • Jesus
        • SG

          That’s how jewish infiltration also destroyed the Roman empire, stretching them thin and usury. There is a book titled “Hitler’s Second Book” which is a collection of Hitler’s personal journal entries over a period of 15 years; while mentioning the Rothschild’s and other prominent jewish banking families and their significant influence in money lending (the Bank of England is like an older version of the Federal Reserve) and profitable markets (including the stock exchange and the opium trade, etc).

          He also predicted the USA’s role in replacing the role of the British Empire and the wars they waged against weak and usually non-European powers, since they are traditionally weaker by comparison; he arrived to such a conclusion by observing their aggression against the Dominican Republic and the other one or two Latin American countries attacked throughout the 1920s, as well as by keeping up on world history, including the Spanish-American war of 1898.

          https://youtu.be/vznRcd_TUyE

          • Jesus

            “””That’s how jewish infiltration also destroyed the Roman empire, stretching them thin and usury.”””

            Do you have any historical data to support what you are saying?
            Romans conquered countries to take their gold, and used that gold for their coinage. As the empire ran out of countries to conquer, the gold became scarcer, the coinage was debased and eventually became worthless.
            The Jews did not have control of the mint, and there were many Romans, especially former generals ( 1-3rd century) that were far richer than any jew, since they always had access to booty from their military campaigns.
            Have you heard of Pompei, Caesar, Lucullus, Crassus…..etc?

      • RichardD

        What do we need an empire for? We’re wasting out time and resources on Jew world order hegemony empire building for monied Jews and their collaborators to enslave the planet for evil Talmud rabbinical control freaks. All in the name of freedom and democracy, as long as it’s controlled by Washington and it’s evil Jews at the expense of the American people who are paying for it and humanity who is being victimized by it. While destroying democratic and non democratic governments that refuse to surrender their sovereignty to the Jews and their collaborators. While at the same time actively supporting a whole range of democratic and non democratic governments that will surrender their sovereignty. The whole Jew world order hegemony project is a scam.

        • Jesus

          Jews were not an issue in late 19 early 20th century in the American politics, it was after WW2 their activism began to increase. Monroe doctrine was not instigated by Jews, it was devised by Monroe who wanted hegemonic control of the Western Hemisphere.

          • RichardD

            They’ve been extensively involved from the beginning of the US Government and in colonial politics before that:

            “Businessman and broker Haym Salomon was responsible for raising most of the money needed to finance the American Revolution and later to save the new nation from collapse.”

            – The Jew who Financed the American Revolution –

            http://www.aish.com/jw/s/The-Jew-who-Financed-the-American-Revolution.html

          • Jesus

            He was a Polish born Jew who migrated to the colonies like many others, he was a broker and sided with the Patriot movement becoming susceptible to its associated dangers.
            He raised money by selling bills of exchange, to finance the war effort.
            I do not see his persona being comparable to a Zionist profile.
            He was a Jew and did his best to help the revolutionary war, I do not see any strings attached for self enrichment. Instead of being a Jew, he could have been Irish, French or of some other European background.

          • RichardD

            He was a Jew and I’m sure that his Jew money connections were instrumental in what he did.

          • Jesus

            What Jew money connections? A bunch of Jews from Europe gave him money to help the revolutionary effort? In exchange for what?
            From what I read, he helped convert the French loans into ready cash by selling bills of exchange for Robert Morris, the Superintendent of Finance. In this way he aided the Continental Army and was possibly, along with Morris, the prime financier of the American side during the American Revolutionary War against Great Britain?
            He was a broker of securities, he brought a buyer and a seller together.
            16,000,000 in today’s money is not an exhorbitant sum that could not have been handled by locals.

          • RichardD

            So what’s your point, that Jews haven’t been involved in controlling the US Government from the beginning when obviously they have been?

          • Jesus

            I do not see Jews lending money for the revolutionary war, Nathaniel Rothchild tried to infiltrate the American banking system during Andrew Jackson’s tenure, he nipped it in the bud, they finally got the chance with the establishment of the Fed in early 20th century during Woodrow Wilson’s tenure. I see Jews in the US becoming militant after the establishment of Israel.
            Of course rich Jews like gentiles prior to, that tried to corrupt political officials to whatever degree they can get away with.

          • RichardD

            They’ve been a problem from the inception of Judaism. I’m assuming that you’re familiar with their history of expulsion, persecution and genocide. Which goes back thousands of years in response to their antisocial behavior and victimization of non Jews. The vast majority of which had nothing to do with Zionism.

            Here’s just one of thousands of incidents over time:

            “General Order No. 11 was the title of an order issued by Major-General Ulysses S. Grant on December 17, 1862, during the American Civil War. It ordered the expulsion of all Jews in his military district, comprising areas of Tennessee, Mississippi, and Kentucky. ”

            – General Order No. 11 (1862) –

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._11_(1862)

          • Jesus

            What is your definition of Judaism?
            Judaism is defined by the Torah, those that do not keep the Torah are not Judaists.
            Jews that do not keep the Torah are like wolves that cause mischief in packs when situational opportunities exist.
            The order was issued as part of a Union campaign against a black market in Southern cotton, which Grant thought was being run “mostly by Jews and other unprincipled traders.”[1] In the war zone, the United States licensed traders through the United States Army, which created a market for unlicensed ones.

          • RichardD

            99.5% of Jews are Talmud rabbinical Jews who view scripture as subservient to the Talmud. The Torah is a catch all phrase that varies in meaning depending on who you’re talking to. For some it includes all Jewish “holy” books, including the Talmud. For some it’s just old testament scripture.

          • Jesus

            You are citing figures I am not sure of. Judaism springs from the Torah, the same Torah that includes the Ten Commandments. Talmudic Judaism is trash, it is a perversion of the Torahic Judaism. So what if most secular and progressive Jews follow the Talmudic Judaism, today it is the pinnacle of perversion synonymous to the Christian perversion prevalent today, in contrast to Biblical realities. It was not always so.
            Today the world is evil and all theological and all true religious understanding has been perverted and obfuscated.
            Jews like any other group are selfish, greedy, liars, backstabbers…..etc, a projection of human depravity, except Jews are more clickish and they understood they were minorities in the host countries they lived in.
            Ever since Israel has been established and globalization shifted wealth from the middle class into the hands of a few thousand Jewish schmucks on Wall Street, jews became more militant, and interested in influencing and controlling US foreign policy towards Middle East and world wide.
            Before Israel was established Jews tried to enrich themselves by corrupting political establishments in the countries they lived in.
            For the last three or four decades neocon Jews being afraid of possible nationalistic movements directed against them, instituted an immigration policy intended to dissolve cultural and national identities, and a damming propaganda through entertainment, fake news and technology.

          • RichardD

            Jews have been aggressive and militant from the beginning, the old testament extensively describes it. The entire Talmud rabbinical ideology is built on the concept of Jewish supremacy and hegemony. It’s why they’re the most persecuted, expelled and genocided group of miscreants in human history.

            – Expulsions and exoduses of Jews –

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews

          • Jesus

            I could really care less what Talmudic rabbinical ideology is based on, i said it is trash from God’s perspective and God will deal with Jews that follow such trash.
            Israel was not a militant nation in the OT, it was subjugated many times by foreign powers as punishment from God for their disobedience, and subsequent persecutions and expulsions were the byproduct of God’s judgements.
            The Jews were chosen by God to be a light to the world, when they refused to do so and blasphemed God through their actions, God punished them…..and He is not finished yet.

          • RichardD

            That’s complete nonsense. The old testament is filled with information about Jewish aggression and militancy. David attacking and seizing Jerusalem is one of many accounts of Jewish militancy. It’s clear that you don’t care about what the Talmud is based on, which is the primary text of Judaism, that is superior to the bible in Jewish teaching. Your ignoring Judaism for what it is doesn’t make it something it’s not. The Jews rejected scripture from the beginning. It’s all throughout the old testament.

            Your efforts to whitewash Judaism and turn it into what you want it to be doesn’t change it from being what it is. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.

          • Jesus

            “””The Jews rejected scripture from the beginning. It’s all throughout the old testament.”””
            Not totally, the majority did. Yes they did fight wars and killed local inhabitants, and Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonian, Romans ……etc killed millions of Jews.

            “””Your efforts to whitewash Judaism and turn it into what you want it to be doesn’t change it from being what it is. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.”””

            Judaism was ordained by God through the Torah, I am not whitewashing anything, you are looking at a perversion of Judaism and you claim that is it.
            I am standing by what God decreed, and what He decreed will not change.

          • RichardD

            What the Jews practice in their synagogues and teach in their yeshivas is the Talmud. They rejected what you want. Standing by what you want Jews to be doesn’t change them from being what they are and always have been.

          • Jesus

            Yes, I am aware of that, I no not like Judaism being tied up to the Talmud. That is my only contention.

          • RichardD

            I’m dealing with what Judaism is, not what you want it to be.

          • SG


            “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our
            books contain anything against them.” – Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of
            Jore Dia 17

            – “To communicate anything to a Goy about our
            religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if
            the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.” –
            Libbre David 37

            Video description from the video “The Israel You Don’t Know: The Talmud and the Jew” which is taken from a 1987 documentary made by Ted Pike titled “The Other Israel.”

            [Since Judaism is very much a religion of it’s literature, to find out
            and learn the truth, we must go where it’s most sacred teachings are
            deeply and fundamentally rooted, Judaism’s holy book of law, the Talmud.

            TALMUD:

            – Central text of rabbinic Judaism and the primary source of Jewish
            religious law and theology

            – Considered Judaism’s cornerstone and holiest book

            – Reached it’s final form in a multi-volume set in 800 A.D.

            – Comes in two versions: Jerusalem Talmud, Babylonian Talmud

            – Jerusalem Talmud: compiled in the 4th century A.D. in Galilee

            – Babylonian Talmud: compiled around 500 A.D. (continued to be edited
            for about 300 more years)

            – Consists of two parts: Mishnah, Gemarah

            – Mishnah: first major written redaction of the Jewish oral traditions
            known as the “oral Torah”. It is also the first major work of rabbinic
            literature

            – Gemara: rabbinical commentary on the Mishnah, forming the second part
            of the Talmud.

            I want to bring a message to your attention by Yossi Gurvitz, an Israeli
            Jewish journalist who has been ordered to submit to military censorship
            in Israel for exposing the tyranny of Israel and Zionism not only in
            Palestine, but all over the world. In the video link below he exposes
            the Israel and Judaism that you aren’t allowed to know or even talk
            about.

            “Yossi Gurvitz – When Israel Is Mighty”:

            “Rabbinic laws intended for access by Judaic persons only, teach that
            goyim (gentiles) are malevolent. For this reason, the goyim are grouped
            together with those categories of criminals and transgressors who cannot
            act as a witness in a court (Shulhan Arukh: Hoshen Mishpat 34).
            As Yossi Gurvitz reveals in the preceding videotaped testimony,
            exceptions to these bigoted rabbinic laws are permitted where Judaics
            are in subjection to the goyim and where news of Judaism’s
            discrimination toward, and second class status of, the goyim, would
            cause an uprising of “potential animosity” (mishum eivah) toward
            Judaics.

            Therefore, to avoid a rebellion by the goyim, devious exceptions to the
            rabbinic law are made in public for the sake of pacifying (mipnei
            darkhei shalom) gullible goyim. It is to these cosmetic exceptions,
            formulated for dissemination to inquisitive goyim who inquire about the
            nature of Judaism, that reference is made when Judaism attempts to
            defend itself from documented charges by objective scholars, regarding
            racism and bigotry toward non-Judaics in the religion of Judaism’s
            recondite rabbinic texts.

            Where Judaic supremacy reigns supreme however (“Where ‘ Israel’ is
            mighty”), such as in the Israeli state, no such diplomatic niceties need
            be observed, and the full force of Talmudic/rabbinic halacha, with its
            institutionalized contempt for, and discrimination toward non-Judaics,
            can be fully exerted.” – Michael Hoffman, St. Patrick’s Day, 2015

            As always, do the correct research and you will learn the truth.
            There are some clearly biased, jewish and freemasonic(Freemasonry – born
            and rooted in Judaism) sites that claim that these direct quotes are
            misinterpreted or misunderstood.
            To that, here is what my dear gentiles and goyim you need to keep in
            mind…

            – “Because the Talmud conspires against gentiles, if a Jew was ever
            caught telling a gentile what the Talmud really says, such a person
            deserves death.” – Jewish Encyclopedia “Gentile” (p. 623)

            – “Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.” (Baba Kamma 113a)

            – “The modern Jew is the product of the Talmud…” – “Babylonian Talmud”, (Boston Talmud Society, p. XII)

            – “If a non-Jew studies the Talmud, he is subject to the death penalty.” (Moses Maimonides, Mishneh Torah: Yad Hachzakah 10:9)

            For more information on the Talmud as well as direct quotes from it,
            teaching racism, supremacy, bigotry, hatred and violence against the Goyim/Gentiles(non-Jews), please see my full post here:
            Welcome to the Talmud:]

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/be53f05434f8d893076d3b592f83de1400aeb5a9c355247d5caa6f7bab652bd9.jpg

          • SG

            According to the jewish encyclopedia, jewish writings defame Christ. According to the Babylonian Talmud, Jesus is in hell burning in hot excrement for opposing the Pharisees.

            https://youtu.be/CrN00h_Djro?t=680

            https://youtu.be/YSy6ENVAJlY

          • Jesus

            Really does not matter what the Babylonian Talmud says, what matters is the Torah.

          • SG

            – “Because the Talmud conspires against gentiles,
            if a Jew was ever caught telling a gentile what the Talmud really says,
            such a person deserves death.” – Jewish Encyclopedia “Gentile” (p. 623)

            – “Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.” – Baba Kamma (113a)


            “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our
            books contain anything against them.” – Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of
            Jore Dia 17

            – “To communicate anything to a Goy about our
            religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if
            the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.” –
            Libbre David 37

            Please read the video description:

            https://youtu.be/CrN00h_Djro?t=55

            https://youtu.be/ovx1D5Zdn_s

            https://youtu.be/zft08PIpIWM?list=PL3oVH6HdYhu08VXfKz1NZcnmgjelg0BQ6

          • Jesus

            I really do not care what the Talmud says, it is trash.

          • RichardD

            Judaism is based on the Talmud, it’s the primary text of Judaism.

          • Jesus

            The primary text for true Judaism is the Torah, and by their fruits Jews are known.

          • RichardD

            Not according to the Jews, they say that the Talmud is the primary text of Judaism. It’s what’s taught in their yeshivas and practiced in their synagogues.

          • Jesus

            I do not care what the Jews think, it matters what Yahweh says.
            Most of today’s jews are destined to suffering, persecution and eventual hell.

          • RichardD

            You’re representing Judaism as being something that doesn’t exist. And that Judaism rejects.

          • Jesus

            It does exist as long as scriptures are still in effect. God is going to judge by the Torah, not by the rabbinical nonesense prevalent in the Talmud. Those that wrote the Talmud will be judged by the Torah as well. God has one law for the Jews, and it is not the Talmud.

          • RichardD

            It does, where, in your biblical interpretation? Christ says it doesn’t in the scripture that I quoted. Show me the synagogues, congregations, and yeshivas full of scriptural Jews that you claim exist.

          • Jesus

            Again, I do not know jews, or have Jewish friends, however I believe there can be a small minority that can be outside of the Talmudic influence. They do not need infrastructure for support, one’s relationship with God is personal, they would be individual believers that only need God and not the Talmudic infrastructure.

          • RichardD

            All Jews are raised in Talmud rabbinical Judaism. There is no organized Judaism of the type that you’d like to exist using your interpetation of some bible passages. When Christ was criticising Judaism calling it the syagogue of Satan, etc.. He was reffering to the same Judiasm with buildings and congrgations that I am. For you to say that that’s not Judaism, and that only your conceptual form of Judaism that doesn’t have buildings or congregations is Judaism. Is to deny reality and Christ’s teachings.

            The Judaism that exists and is a big problem today, is the same Judaism that existed and was a problem in Christ’s time. And that he criticised repeatedly in the bible. This is the Judaism that needs to be outlawed and have the buildings demolished so that it goes extinct. The conceptual Judaism that you claim exists, doesn’t have buildings and congregations. If you disagree, then provide examples. What some disident Jews who were raised in Talmud rabbinical Judaism who reject the Talmud believe or don’t believe is immaterial. They’re not the ones running and perpetuating Judaism.

            I’m addressing the problems that the Judaism and Jews that do exist are causing. Not what the conceptual Judaism based in your biblical interpetations that doesn’t exist as an organised religion with a physical presence on this planet might consist of. You want the Judaism that does exist as a physical organization treated not based on what it is and what it does. But based on what you think that it should be when it is something completely different.

            I can prove that the Judaism and Jews that I’m critical of exist. They have to be treated based on what they are and what they do. Not on what you’d like them to be that collectively they reject and have from the beginning. There isn’t a single sect that I’m aware of that practices what you’d like them to sans the Talmud. They all use it in one form or the other.

            You keep pointing to these other Jews that you claim exist but can’t prove it. If they’re so minor that they don’t have a single building or congregation, then they’re inconsequential. And your giving the Jews that do exist considerations that they don’t deserve based on Jews that you claim exist, but can’t prove it. Based on the assumption that small numbers of them might exist isn’t resolving the problems caused by those that do exist. When by your own admission you don’t even know any Jews.

          • Justin
          • RichardD
          • Justin
          • RichardD

            You belong in a mental institution or a prison psych ward.

          • Justin
          • RichardD
          • Justin
          • RichardD

            You’re a criminally insane lying piece of degenerate filth.

            I wrote:

            “Why don’t you tell people about the time that you threatened to anally rape Dutch National?”

            You wrote:

            “That did not happen …

            As fro the raping with an axe…. thats something i WOULD NOT deny if i did say it! But unfortunately for u i didnt! and without proof i guess ure up shit creek without a paddle! But between u and me, we both know i didnt say that! therefore between u and me, we both know who the piece of shit is!”

            Here’s the proof liar:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e340ad760ef4f6c7fc41a9453e94512907c3a6ae2a4b184b40ca2e7781df165.png
            https://southfront.org/syrian-army-repelled-hts-attack-northern-hama-countryside/

          • Justin
          • RichardD

            You’re a criminally insane lying piece of degenerate filth.

            I wrote:

            “Why don’t you tell people about the time that you threatened to anally rape Dutch National?”

            You wrote:

            “That did not happen …

            As fro the raping with an axe…. thats something i WOULD NOT deny if i did say it! But unfortunately for u i didnt! and without proof i guess ure up shit creek without a paddle! But between u and me, we both know i didnt say that! therefore between u and me, we both know who the piece of shit is!”

            Here’s the proof liar:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e340ad760ef4f6c7fc41a9453e94512907c3a6ae2a4b184b40ca2e7781df165.png
            https://southfront.org/syrian-army-repelled-hts-attack-northern-hama-countryside/

          • RichardD

            Your comment has been flagged as spam. You’re wasting South Front’s thread space with your lies and criminal insanity.

          • RichardD

            You’re a criminally insane lying piece of degenerate filth.

            I wrote:

            “Why don’t you tell people about the time that you threatened to anally rape Dutch National?”

            You wrote:

            “That did not happen …

            As fro the raping with an axe…. thats something i WOULD NOT deny if i did say it! But unfortunately for u i didnt! and without proof i guess ure up shit creek without a paddle! But between u and me, we both know i didnt say that! therefore between u and me, we both know who the piece of shit is!”

            Here’s the proof liar:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e340ad760ef4f6c7fc41a9453e94512907c3a6ae2a4b184b40ca2e7781df165.png
            https://southfront.org/syrian-army-repelled-hts-attack-northern-hama-countryside/
            —–

          • RichardD

            You’re a criminally insane lying piece of degenerate filth.

            I wrote:

            “Why don’t you tell people about the time that you threatened to anally rape Dutch National?”

            You wrote:

            “That did not happen …

            As fro the raping with an axe…. thats something i WOULD NOT deny if i did say it! But unfortunately for u i didnt! and without proof i guess ure up shit creek without a paddle! But between u and me, we both know i didnt say that! therefore between u and me, we both know who the piece of shit is!”

            Here’s the proof liar:
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e340ad760ef4f6c7fc41a9453e94512907c3a6ae2a4b184b40ca2e7781df165.png
            https://southfront.org/syrian-army-repelled-hts-attack-northern-hama-countryside/
            ———-

          • RichardD

            Trying to address the Jew problem with you is futile if you’re going to keep insisting that Judaism is this non existent entity that is rejected by the Judaism that does exist and has existed since it’s inception. Scripture has been rejected by Jews and subordinated to the Talmud from the beginning of Judaism. This is simply a factual and historical reality. Talking out of both sides of your mouth and recognizing this reality and then saying that Judaism is only what scripture says it should be when Judaism itself rejects that isn’t truthful or helping to get the problem solved.

            “Making void the word of God by your own tradition, which you have given forth. And many other such like things you do.”

            Jesus Christ

            Mark 7:13

            The old testament is full of the Jew’s rejection of scripture. This is codified in the Talmud. Your misrepresentation of Judaism as being a scriptural based religion that Judaism itself rejects in favor of the Talmud. Doesn’t alter the fact that Judaism is a Talmud rabbinical based pedophile mass rape cult and has been one for thousands of years. So when you keep insisting that Judaism is this scriptural based entity that only exists in your biblical interpretation of what you want Judaism to be when it clearly isn’t that. Is counter productive.

          • Jesus

            Without going into a lot of history, suffice to say that the Jews for the last 3500 years have been under the authority and inerrancy of the Torah, regardless if they kept it, perverted it or completely disregarded it.
            In the OT there were Jews that kept the scriptures, likewise in the NT and possibly thereafter for many years.They may be a minute minority, I don’t know …You don’t know, God knows.
            I do not have a preferred interpretation of the scriptures, scriptures can interpret themselves if one does not have an agenda.
            Earlier I shared a scripture from Zechariah where God said that 2/3 of the Jews will perish and one third will be refined to God’s liking.
            As a result I can conclude that not all Jews are perverse and beyond redemption. God will bring forth the precepts of the Torah to redeem these Jews.

          • RichardD

            The minute minority that you refer to aren’t representative of Judaism. Now or in the past. There was a scism in Judaism from its inception and the Talmud rabbinical Jews went on to completely dominate Judaism. They run the synagogues, yeshivas and Israel.

            If you were intellectuality honest. You would provide examples of your scriptural Judaism that rejects the Talmud. I’ve looked, it doesn’t exist. Show me synagogues and yeshivas run by scriptural Jews.

          • Jesus

            I do not know jews, scriptural Judaism as outlined in the Torah cannot be fully implemented without the existence of a Temple, however, commandments governing personal conduct do apply, the 10 commandments and many others.
            This has nothing to do with Talmudic teachings, one’s conscience seeking truth will have answers, whether jew or gentile.
            Mark 7:13 you quoted applies to Christians as well, having taken the commandments of God and made them of none effect through denominational traditions.
            In the Christian spectrum, many fall in the category where going to church and doing your own thing is acceptable; then you have those that go to church and they have some receptivity to what God expects of them, then you have a small minority that are all out for God.
            A Jew can follow the same spectrum, he can go to the synagogue, listen to what is presented there and do what he wants, then you have those that go to synagogue and are more open about divine requirements, they might read the prophets or the Torah to some degree, then you can have a small minority that is given to God.

          • RichardD

            Mainststream Christianity, which consists of the Catholic, Orthodox , and Protestant denominations in their various forms, doesn’t have anything that compares to the Talmud. Some forms of Islam like Wahabbism do. The closet thing in Christianity is Chritian Zionists, primarily in the US, and they are a problem.

            Judaism is for all practical purposes, exclusively Talmudic. If the scriptural Judaism that you claim exists, actually did exist as any type of organized belief system with adherants and facilities. You’d be able to provide examples of them. And you can’t, you haven’t even tried.

            The Judaism that does exist on this planet, and has for thousands of years from it’s inception. Is Talmud rabbinical Judaism. The scriptural Judaism that you’re refering to, to the extent that it ever existed as an organized belief system with facilities and adherants, died out long before Christ’s time. Even in the early years, today’s Judaism teaches that the oral version of scripture, aka the Talmud, augmented and subordinated scripture. The Talmud wasn’t committed to writing until latter.

            Even if you can prove that scriptural Judaism without the Talmud even ever existed in a physical form. It ceased to exist as an organised Judaic belief structure with synagogues, yeshivas, and congregations soon after Judaism’s inception. It doesn’t exist today, and hasn’t existed for over 2,000 years. Your conceptural form of Judaism based in your biblical interpetation of some passages. Doesn’t exist as an organized religion today, if it ever even did.

            The Judaism that I’m talking about is the Judaism that existed in the bible with buildings, schools, and congregations, and that still exists in much the same form today. The conceptual Judaism that you’re talking about, if it ever existed as a physical religion, which is questionable, died out thousands of years ago.

            All of today’s Jews, and those going back thousands of years are the product of Talmud rabbinical Judaism, not scriptural Judaism sans the Talmud. What some disident Jews who reject the Talmud believe or practice doesn’t change Judaism from being what it is and has been for thousands of years. Your dislike for what Talmud rabbinical Judaism is, doesn’t change it from being what it is. The scriptural Judaism that you claim exists, doesn’t exist as a religion with buildings and congregations. And your interpetation of bible passages doesn’t change that.

          • Jesus

            Judaism started in the 15th century BC as Yahweh enumerated His commandments to 2.5 -3 million Jews in the wilderness, aka Torah. That was the covenant Yahweh established with the Jews , if they kept the Torah, He would take care of them, if not He would judge them.
            The Books of Chronicles and Kings depict the Jewish history throughout the centuries 11-6BC
            Also a very strong symbol of Judaism was the Temple Solomon built, a magnificent building having its interior gold plated. The Temple was destroyed by the Babylonians, rebuilt, and later destroyed by the Romans. With the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, the Judaic symbol was gone. In the Diaspora the Jews cobbled up the Talmudic version of their religious understanding, however the beginning of the Talmudic perversion started after the return of the Jews from the Babylonian captivity, where traditions and ceremony subverted the Torah. This is what Jesus spoke against in Mark 7:13, whereby man made commandments superseded the Word of God.

            And that is the problem with Christianity today, the very evil nature of so called Christian societies are a projection of a very week and inept church that does not speak against
            evil, and have power to overcome it.
            As far as proof that Torahic Judaism existed for a long time before the ministry of Jesus Christ, I will refer to some scriptural texts in the New Testament Catholics and Protestants have read,

            Rom.9

            [1] I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
            [2] That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
            [3] For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
            [4] Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
            [5] Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
            [6] Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
            [7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called

          • RichardD

            What you claim and what the Jews teach are two different things:

            “In rabbinic literature the word Torah denotes both the five books (Hebrew: תורה שבכתב‎ “Torah that is written”) and the Oral Torah (תורה שבעל פה, “Torah that is spoken”). The Oral Torah consists of interpretations and amplifications which according to rabbinic tradition have been handed down from generation to generation and are now embodied in the Talmud and Midrash.[2] According to rabbinic tradition, all of the teachings found in the Torah, both written and oral, were given by God through the prophet Moses, some at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle”

            – Torah –

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

          • Jesus

            I really do not care what the Jews think, I had theological debates with presumed rabbies who were clueless about their OT history. Jewish ignorance does not negate the realities of the OT scriptures, and Jewish ignorance is further compounded by the fact that God blinded them spiritually.
            I would always take the Law and the prophets of the Old Testament and the truth they convey, instead of present day Jewish Talmudic garbage.

          • RichardD

            That’s not the point. The issue is whether the Talmud has been part of Judaism from the beginning of Judaism. And the available evidence is that it was. The Talmud isn’t even mentioned in the Christian old testament.

          • Jesus

            “””That’s not the point. The issue is whether the Talmud has been part of Judaism from the beginning of Judaism. And the available evidence is that it was. ”””

            The beginning of the Judaism started on MT. Sinai when God gave the commandments to the Jews, they were pure commandments of God…..there was no Talmudic crap.
            The symbolism of Judaism aka Torahic covenant was expressed by a tabernacle with the ark of the covenant in the Holy of Holies that happened to be throne of God on Earth.
            This Tabernacle was mobile until Solomon built a magnificent Temple in the 10th century BC. That magnificent Temple was an outward expression of the Judaism for foreigners that travelled in the area. This evidence is amply available in the OT scriptures, and the very fact that present day Jews covet the Temple Mount that is in Palestinian hands, is indicative that Jews are seeking to build a Tempe to identify their Judaic heritage, regardless of what present day Jews claim or identify as truth.

            As I said before, as Jews had their own country and their Temple, they identified themselves with the Torahic covenant, albeit in a perverted form.
            When they lost their Temple and their outward identity of Judaism and went into the Diaspora, Talmudic influences, aka oral expressions of traditional understanding of the scriptures along with hateful injectives became the norm.
            Of course today sincere Jewish scholars know about the Torah, the prophets and everything pertaining to OT Jewish history.

          • RichardD

            Well obviously the demon worshiping in the OT came from somewhere. So there was an element of Judaism that was Talmudic or as negative as the Talmud from the beginning. There are historical reports of written versions of the Talmud existing 500 BC and oral versions beginning with Moses. It simply doesn’t jive with history or the OT to present Judaism as free of Satanic influence from it’s inception. You may not care what the Jews say on the subject. But that doesn’t stand up to the judicial process or scientific method that you and everyone else on this planet uses to navigate their lives every waking hour.

          • Jesus

            You are hung up on your narrative, in simple terms, humanity can worship God or Satan, this choice was available long before Moses, and it is still available today, jew or gentile.

            “”There are historical reports of written versions of the Talmud existing 500 BC and oral versions beginning with Moses.”””

            Talmudic inception started after the Babylonian captivity, as far as going back to Moses, it is pure fabrication, I ask you for verifiable proof.
            Yes I do not care what jews say when they speak nonesense, they will become cannon fodder at the end times.

          • RichardD

            Well if verifiable proof is the standard, what proof do you have that half of the OT authors even existed and that what is written wasn’t written by someone else and is full of fiction? I asked you before if you believe the Jericho citadel horn story, and I didn’t get an answer.

            Have you read Meier’s gospel? I’ve been to his place and took the attached picture there. He says Gabriel was an ET who fathered Christ, the 3 orientals were following a ship light, and that ETs have been extensively involved in our religions.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8de267c8f7c15569a4fb69ef9f9eec766ab1dcace0da7794c9321cbad11635e1.jpg

          • Jesus

            Yea I believe the all scriptural accounts in the OT. If you do not believe in the OT, that is your prerogative. As far as Meier’s gospel, Jesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost…not Gabriel. Does Meier know the difference between Gabriel and the Holy Ghost?

          • RichardD

            I don’t. There are many bibles with different books. Which one do you think is genuine?

          • Jesus

            Rom.11

            [1] I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
            [2] God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
            [3] Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
            [4] But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
            [5] Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
            [6] And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
            [7] What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
            [8] (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
            [9] And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
            [10] Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
            [11] I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
            [12] Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
            [13] For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
            [14] If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
            [15] For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
            [16] For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
            [17] And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
            [18] Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
            [19] Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
            [20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
            [21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
            [22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
            [23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
            [24] For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
            [25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
            [26] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
            [27] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
            [28] As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
            [29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
            [30] For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
            [31] Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
            [32] For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
            [33] O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
            [34] For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller?
            [35] Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
            [36] For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

          • RichardD

            The Jews disagree with you and your interpretation of scripture. Judaism has been Talmudic from the beginning according to them. The Judaism that you’d like to believe existed or exists has always been polluted by Talmudic influence:

            “In rabbinic literature the word Torah denotes both the five books (Hebrew: תורה שבכתב‎ “Torah that is written”) and the Oral Torah (תורה שבעל פה, “Torah that is spoken”). The Oral Torah consists of interpretations and amplifications which according to rabbinic tradition have been handed down from generation to generation and are now embodied in the Talmud and Midrash.[2] According to rabbinic tradition, all of the teachings found in the Torah, both written and oral, were given by God through the prophet Moses, some at Mount Sinai and others at the Tabernacle”

            – Torah –

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

          • SG

            The creation of the USA was a Masonic plot to eventually create a super state which they could rule the world from; nowadays, the USA is the hub of globalism. If the jewish Kalergi plan succeeds, the White race would become extinct and jewish controlled China will replace the USA as the hub of globalism.

            http://www.renegadebroadcasting.com/truth-hertz-the-judeo-masonic-king-james-bible-8-22-18/

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/86d2f3539b522eb2f5e3eb5d6a90db82f31a725b99d4da94c41e5b083addead8.jpg

          • Jesus

            “”” The creation of the USA was a Masonic plot to eventually create a super state which they could rule the world from; nowadays,“””

            Not according to my history, you claim the establishment of the colonies were a Masonic plot? Who were the initial colonizers? Right after England took the baton for world dominion from Spain? You statement does not make sense.

            I am sorry, renegade broadcasting’s credibility is an issue.

          • SG
          • Jesus

            I do not have time to look at your videos, yea I am aware Columbus was Jewish, he discovered new worlds for the crown of Spain. The king of Spain was not controlled by Jews and was in direct rivalry with Portugal , they looked for new worlds to enrich themselves with gold and silver. At that time Spain was a major power in the world, I see a very remote probability that masons looked centuries ahead for a greater power whereby they could control the world. Spain and Portugal regarded the new worlds as prime targets for robbing and subjugating the people and controlling their wealth. Cortez and his conquistadores were not Jewish nor masons.

          • SG
          • SG
          • RichardD

            They’re the most persecuted, expelled and genocided group of miscreants in human history, because they’re evil and their Talmud rabbinical cult ideology is evil.

            – Expulsions and exoduses of Jews –

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews

          • SG

            They’re not the most persecuted and genocided people, they only claim to be so they can gain sympathy from people in order to cover their tracks. jews themselves are responsible responsible for a great deal death and genocide of other peoples throughout history, regardless of whether they do this themselves or indirectly through someone else.

          • RichardD

            The difference is that their victims are many, but the blow back against them is focused on them.

          • RichardD

            It’s been done many times. It’s why Judaism needs to be outlawed and the planet dejudified so that Judaism goes extinct.

          • SG

            It has been outlawed on many occasions and the vast majority of jewish converts, just as with the vast majority of those who openly admit to being jewish, simply continue spreading their poisonous ideas to their children as crypto jews with or without judaism.

          • RichardD

            Half of the planet has been dejudified. The other half needs to be.

          • SG
          • SG
          • Jesus

            Yes I am aware of the Federal reserve board, and the fact that Jews owned Hollywood and some news outlets.
            They were not involved in foreign policy making, the Fed’s loose fiscal policy caused the Great Depression.

        • SG
          • SG

            https://lorddreadnought.livejournal.com/12388.html

            – “Because the Talmud conspires against gentiles, if a Jew was ever
            caught telling a gentile what the Talmud really says, such a person
            deserves death.” – Jewish Encyclopedia “Gentile” (p. 623)

            From the Babylonian Talmud:

            – “Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.” – Baba Kamma (113a)


            “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our
            books contain anything against them.” – Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of
            Jore Dia 17

            – “To communicate anything to a Goy about our
            religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if
            the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.” –
            Libbre David 37

            https://youtu.be/CrN00h_Djro?t=55

            https://youtu.be/xCHm0Re-rAU

      • neil barron

        Your’e a moron like others here spewing hate and negativity without a conscientious thought of what you are saying, just saying it to hear yourself spew it. Your first sentence explains it all no connection to reality and how it all connects together. Wishful thinking isn’t going to make it happen or explain how it’s going to happen. There are trained monkeys that say and do the same thing that are spewed and typed on here.

        • Jesus

          I take it you live in a different reality.

          • neil barron

            NO! I live in the reality that you chastise, so you sound like a lemming of Marxism / Communism / antifas and in general leftist who can’t see beyond their power control grabs. Your 101 rants on the proported failings is the product of decades of leftist run government and one commie that just helped us get onto the prepipice of your hell. Thank God for Trump MAGA and I’m working to make it great again like millions of others.

          • Jesus

            I am not a Marxist, just wait and see what the future holds.

          • neil barron

            Your comments still haven’t proved it to me including this retort. I see the future and now it isn’t Odumb bass and your ilk.

          • Jesus

            Do you believe in God? How full is the cup of iniquity for the US?
            You think Trump is so great, what do you think of Jesus Christ? How great is He to you?

          • neil barron

            He’s the reason I carry.

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  • RichardD

    That’s quite an overview with very high quality.

  • Alex Popoff

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c2c454161cad44593e90e709321e304c2493db887b7e654d6c69591255f2da06.jpg
    This is the only fleet that Russia has. Fleet of greedy oligarchs that keep people in poverty while spending enormous amounts of money on luxury yahts that cost more that all Russian so called “military fleet”.

    • John Whitehot

      it doesn’t work.

    • Mike

      Your full of shit solomon kupec.

  • jako

    Not good report. He doesn’t know basic important informations like for example this one:

    Admiral Nakhimov
    “——————– Its status is not released, but it will most likely be refitted”.
    .
    .
    Not true.
    Nakhimov’s status has been released often and at the moment latest status is is that Admiral Nakhimov will be ready for 2022.
    This is another of whole series od delays (of the overhaul of this ship).
    Originally it was to be ready for 2019 and “Peter the Great” was to take Nakhimov’s place in overhaul (immediatly when Nakhimov is back to the fleet).

  • Dick Von Dast’Ard

    If you can’t have the best Blue-water navy, you would look to have the best Green-water navy you can afford.
    Several 4,000 ton guided missile frigates with several 750 ton missile corvettes offer better options than having a heavy aircraft carrying cruiser or new aircraft carrier.
    In my imaginary Russian fleet, I’d have the carrier scrapped, the Soviet era cruisers and destroyers scrapped, the modernized heavy battle cruisers as the main flagships for three battle fleets. (Northern. Pacific and Baltic)
    Bulk of budget being spent on modern sub 4000 ton surface combatants and the attack submarine force.

  • DenLilleAbe

    As I see it Russia just needs to keep calm. The US will inherently collapse because of its military spending and its needs to project power. It must be evident to Russia, that the US navy, mighty as it is, is lacking severely in direction and qualified manpower, and vast sums have been misspent.
    Russia’s own development of hypersonic missiles, puts a question mark at traditional naval doctrine.

    The hyper missile puts emphasis on much smalller units, but in greater numbers.
    Russia’s and China’s effort to develop the Silk Road, takes a lot of stress from their navies, much transport is overland, preventing interdiction from foes abroad and far away.
    The control and access to the “world Island” of Eurasia is in fact control of the world. Africa is important, but will take decades to bring up to standards, and by the the Evil Empire will have receded in isolation and financial ruin.
    In stead abandoning the Dollar as reserve currency, will be more effective than 10 carrier groups, it will hurt all the world badly, but the Hegemon would be dead in the water, in a year or two.