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Russia’s New Deal And Western Reaction

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Russia's New Deal And Western Reaction

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Russia is holding a national voting on amendments to its Constitution. Last Thursday kicked off one week in which Russians are asked to cast their votes on changes to the document. The formal date is July 1, but the polling stations were opened as early as June 25 in order to avoid too high turnout due to the so-called pandemic.

Vladimir Putin announced a set of amendments to the Constitution in his annual address to the Federal Assembly on January 15. The same day he ordered to form a working group to draft these amendments. The group was composed of 75 politicians, legislators, scholars and public figures and it submitted the proposals that formed the basis of the new Constitution. On March 11, the State Duma adopted the draft amendments to the Constitution in the third reading. On the same day, they were approved by the Federation Council.

The referendum was originally scheduled for April 22. The date coincided with Vladimir Lenin’s 150th birthday. It was postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The draft amendments to the Constitution were submitted to a referendum in accordance with article 2 of the Law on Amendments to the Constitution adopted on March 16, 2020. Voters are given a yes-or-no vote on the full text of the new Constitution.

After Putin proposed constitutional changes, the amendments sparked significant debate both inside the country and beyond its borders. The proposed amendments to the Constitution affect various spheres.

The amendments, which can be described as ideological, received the great public response. According to a sociological study, the most important among them for Russians was the amendment to “on the protection of historical truth”:

“The Russian Federation honors the memory of the Fatherland defenders and protects the historical truth. Belittling the significance of the feat of the people in the defense of the Fatherland is not allowed.”

This amendment is extremely relevant in Russian society. This is due to various external factors. First of all, Russia’s neighboring states such as Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Poland issue resolutions condemning Russia’s position in the Second World War. This is accompanied by the demolition of the monuments to Soviet heroes in large cities, what causes great indignation among Russians and arouses great controversy at the international level.

Moreover, this amendment is gaining popularity due to the ongoing unrest in the West. In the USA protesters demolish monuments to prominent historical figures who formed the American identity – Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Jefferson, and so on. The Russian government tries to prevent this in its own country, believing that the Empire collapses when it loses its ideology. Today, the strengthening of Russia as independent conservative ideological center may contribute to the further strengthening of the Russian position on the international arena.

Russia's New Deal And Western Reaction

Russian servicewomen march during the Victory Day parade. They were among 14,000 troops from 13 countries who took part in the event. Soldiers taking part had been tested and placed in quarantine ahead of the parade.

If this amendment is primarily of concern to the countries of Eastern Europe and has received little coverage in the Western media, the following amendment to the Russian Constitution has aroused great interest in Western Europe and the United States.

The proposals to amend the Article 72 of the Constitution gained wide resonance in the West.  The article says (the changes are in bold):

“In the joint jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and subjects of the Russian Federation are:

… the protection of family, motherhood, fatherhood and childhood; the protection of the institution of marriage as the union of a man and a woman; the creation of conditions for worthy education of children in the family, as well as for adult children responsibilities to care for their parents…”

Despite the fact that today same-sex marriages are not recognized in Russia, if the amendment is approved by a vote, the marriage between members of the LGBT community will be excluded at the level of the Constitution. Currently, there are no special laws prohibiting same-sex relationships or gender reassignment surgeries in Russia. At the same time, since 2013, there is a Federal law prohibiting the promotion of homosexuality among minors, which criminalizes public manifestations of non-traditional sexual orientations.

Conservative views on homosexuality are widespread in Russia, and recent polls show that most Russians are opposed to accepting homosexuality in their society. In particular, intolerance of homosexuality is present in regions with persisting traditional way of life, such as Chechnya or Dagestan.

Covering the proposal to introduce this amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, The New York Times wrote in March:

“President Vladimir V. Putin has proposed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in what political analysts suggest is an effort to raise turnout for a constitutional referendum that could keep him in power but has so far stirred little enthusiasm among Russians.”

The Guardian in the article «Putin submits plans for constitutional ban on same-sex marriage» claimed that “[t]he move, announced by Putin in January, was initially seen as a way for him to hold on to power after 2024, when as things stand he will no longer be able to serve as president because of term limits.

Moreover, a flag of the LGBT community was displayed on the buildings of the US Embassy in Moscow to protest the proposed amendments on the first day of the national voting. The US move was followed by embassies of Canada and the UK. This is a concerted political action in direct contravention of Russian law on responsibility for propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations among minors.

The amendment to the Constitution excluding the possibility of same-sex marriage does not correspond to the newly imposed neo-liberal values labeled as the Wester-rooted. At the same time, believing its own values to be the only correct and universal, the collective West imposes them in various regions of the world, including in Russia. The promotion of liberal values is certainly necessary for the West to strengthen its world domination, but this often leads to negative consequences.

The reaction of the West to the amendment to article 72 primarily emphasizes that the introduction of changes to the legislation regarding LGBT communities serves as a distraction for the population, which will allow Vladimir Putin to remain in power after the end of his presidential mandate in 2024. Also, the Western community itself is much more concerned about the amendments to reset Putin’s terms than about the well-being of homosexuals in Russia.

By its ideological changes, Russia confirms the unacceptability of Western ideology for its society, while also making important changes to the country’s administrative apparatus itself, which will allow it to be strengthened.

Given that the West in general has a negative attitude to the figure of Vladimir Putin, primarily because of his success in governing the country and in strengthening Russia, the amendment to reset the terms of his rule is particularly frowned upon. Paragraph 3 of Article 82 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states:

“The same person may not hold the office of President of the Russian Federation for more than two consecutive terms.”

In this wording, it is proposed to remove the word “consecutive”, and to extend the effect of this amendment only to the current President of Russia, Vladimir Putin. This allows resetting the terms of Vladimir Putin’s presidency, and gives him the opportunity to run for the presidency in 2024.

Political analyst Nathaniel Reynolds wrote in a paper for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace:

“Putin’s use of more than 200 amendments was a “stunning trick” to mask the real purpose of the constitutional vote — allowing him to remain in office. It was a shocking exercise in political deception, even to the many regime insiders left in the dark.” Reynolds also noted: “A younger Putin recognized the dangers of such a precedent. He told a journalist in 2005 that if leaders change the constitution for their own purposes, there will be nothing left of the state.”

Moreover, Western media reproach that the attention of the population is not particularly focused on this key amendment. The Russian authorities are conducting a large advertising campaign of other amendments, primarily socially conservative ones such as protection of historical truth or a ban on dual citizenship for government employees. These principles, designed to unite Russians, are at the heart of the system of conservative Patriotic values of the head of the Russian state.

During his presidency, Vladimir Putin brought Russia to the international arena and significantly strengthened its position as a regional power center. Further strengthening of the country is unacceptable for the West that provokes strong criticism of this amendment. However, the abolition of the presidential term limit only increases the level of democracy in the country because people have a chance to vote for an actual president as many times as they want. The President can only be chosen through democratic elections, and allowing Putin to run in 2024 does not guarantee his victory. Moreover, most likely, the amendment to reset the time frame allows to stabilize the situation in the country for the next few years. If it is not accepted now, then a tough power struggle in Russia will begin today which will significantly destabilize the country.

On June 18, the Venice Commission criticized some amendments to the Russian Constitution initiated by Vladimir Putin.

The European Commission for Democracy through Law – better known as the Venice Commission as it meets in Venice – is the Council of Europe’s advisory body on constitutional matters. It involves all countries that are members of the Council of Europe, including Russia, and some countries outside this organization. Its role is to analyze the laws and draft legal advices to its member states.

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European experts expressed concern that the new Constitution proposes to include the possibility of dismissal by the Federation Council of judges of the constitutional court on the proposal of the President.

‘’The proposed innovations make the constitutional court more vulnerable to political pressure, since the powers of judges can be terminated on the proposal of the President,’’ experts say.

European experts also recommended the proposed amendment to Article 79 to be changed or completely deleted. It proposes to affirm the right not to execute “decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation contradicting the Constitution of the Russian Federation”.

This amendment provides for the possibility of not complying with the decisions of international courts, including the European court of human rights. Experts of the Venice Commission in their conclusion point out that by joining the Council of Europe and ratifying the Convention on human rights, Russia is obliged to comply with the decisions of the European court of human rights, and with article 46 of the Convention, which indicates that the execution of court decisions is mandatory.

On June 25, the representative of the European Commission Peter Stano made a statement that the amendment on the priority of the Russian Constitution over international law violated the international obligations of the Russian Federation.

In response to criticism from Europe, the Chairman of the Committee on International Affairs of Russian State Duma, Leonid Slutskiy, emphasized that this practice is widely used by countries, including members of Europe, and the amendment does not cancel Russia’s international obligations.

We have consistently explained and continue to explain to our European partners: the amendments to Article 79 do not nullify the international obligations of the Russian Federation, Russia has fulfilled them and will continue to do so. It is an issue of establishing the primacy of the Constitution, which fully complies with foreign experience. For example, there is much stricter primacy of national legislation over international legislation in European states like the UK and Germany, not speaking about the United States,”

Russia in its foreign policy has always defended the rule of international law in the world system. This international law should be based on consensus, and first of all should be represented by international institutions such as the UN. Today, Russia recognizes that international law is not more presented by an international agreement but by American legislation that applies anywhere in the world. The adoption of the amendment on the supremacy of the Russian Constitution over international law strengthens the country’s position and underlines its frustration with the current destruction of the entire world system.

According to social research, the most important for Russians is the amendment on the protection of the country’s sovereignty at the constitutional level. This amendment suggested to Article 67 is one of the most criticized abroad:

 “The Russian Federation ensures the protection of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, redemarkation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring States) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed.”

This amendment to the Constitution regarding the territorial integrity of the country caused a large condemnation by the United States.

Krista Wiegand, American expert on territorial disputes of the Center for Global Security Studies in Tennessee, claimed that “Russia does not want to play by international rules” and this is dangerous for Japan and Ukraine.

This statement is completely unjustified.

According to the Soviet-Japanese Declaration of 1956, ending the state of war between the countries, the USSR agreed to transfer the Habomai and Shikotan Islands to Japan on the condition that the actual transfer would be made after the conclusion of a Peace Treaty. Moscow’s position is that the southern Kuril Islands became part of the USSR, which Russia became the legal successor to, are an integral part of the territory of the Russian Federation legally based on the results of World War II and enshrined in the UN Charter, and Russian sovereignty over them, which has the appropriate international legal confirmation, is not subject to doubt. Today, it is not Russia that threatens Japan, but the opposite, as Japan claims “its northern territories” to be under Russian occupation.

A similar situation has developed on the Eastern borders of Russia. Since the accession of the Crimea to Russia is a fait accompli, Ukraine has no choice but to declare annexation and try to claim de facto Russian territories.

The amendment suggested to article 67 does not threaten any other state. First of all this amendment prevents separatism inside Russia.

Russia's New Deal And Western Reaction

The Guard of Honor of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army take part in the military parade marking the 75th anniversary of the victory in the Great Patriotic War on Red Square in Moscow, Russia, June 24, 2020.

The creation of the threatening image of Russia is beneficial for the Democratic American establishment. At the same time, countries with territorial disputes with the Russian Federation reacted with more restraint.

Japanese government Secretary General Yoshihide Suga noted that changes to the Constitution are an internal matter for Russia. Political expert Ikuro Nakamura noted that the Japanese government believes that the changes to the Constitution are aimed at increasing Patriotic consciousness in Russian society.

Former advisor to the Greek prime minister for co-operation with the Russian Federation and Eastern Europe, Dimitrios Velanis, said:

“Russia has many times throughout its history experienced an attack or an attempt by other powers to occupy its territory. It was in almost all wars. From all these wars Russia emerged victorious and lost none of its territories. This year marks the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory.”

Furthermore, the French Foreign Ministry proclaimed through its representative that “the constitutional change is a sovereign decision of the Russian Federation, which must fully comply with international obligations”.

It would be difficult to imagine the opposite reaction of the West to the proposed amendments to the Russian Constitution. They strengthen the country both insight and in the international arena, which causes fear in Western countries.

In response to criticism of the package of amendments to the Constitution, Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee at the Federation Council Konstantin Kosachev said:

“The West’s reaction to public discussions of amendments to the Russian Constitution is taking the form of an aggressive campaign bordering on interference in the country’s domestic affairs. The reaction of what can be described as ‘Collective West’ is taking the form of a hostile and aggressive campaign against Russia, which is bordering on interference in our domestic affairs.”

At the same time, Russian experts say that they expected a larger company from the West, and today’s criticism was much weaker than it could have been. Indeed, the US has demonstrated that it could lead strong anti-Russian companies, for example, by accusing it of interfering in the election of President Trump. The UK also conducted a strong informational campaign, which was called the “Skripal Case”. Today, Russia is faced with a choice, and its society is really experiencing great differences regarding the future development of the country. This moment is most favorable for external intervention and, if the West had the opportunity, it would be able to significantly influence the development of Russia in a way that would be beneficial to it. However, today the influence from outside is insignificant, which is primarily due to the weakness in the Western countries themselves. The crisis after the coronavirus epidemic, followed by large-scale protests in all countries do not leave the power for weakened world leaders. In addition, on a more global scale, while still maintaining the role of world hegemon, the US has never been so weak in relation to developing new centers, and it seems that it can no longer control the situation in various world regions, including Russia.

The amendments to the Russian Constitution demonstrate that the current Russian leadership has tried to pass the period of reconstruction after the crisis of the 1990s and the period of the rise of the 2000s. The Constitution adopted in Russia in 1993 was essentially an ideal document that would allow Russia to reconcile with the market system world. It was mostly designed to satisfy interests of Western puppeteers of the new post-Soviet Russian ‘democratic’ elites. Russia was as an independent state and an international actor was weak in 1991. 30 years later, a stronger Russia is embarking on its own path of development, different from the Western one. And the gap between the Western way and the Russian one seems to be widening. Therefore, a chance exists that in the bright multicolored future there will be place not only for the neo-liberal minorities-ruled West and the radically-conservative Islamic East, but also for a balanced center in Eurasia.

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occupybacon

This trick should not be concern for Westerners at all, it should concern only Russians.

Aaron Aarons

While the imperialist governments of the West should have nothing to say about anything, humanity is international and that includes the struggle for the rights of oppressed nationalities, races and ethnicities, and the struggles against other forms of domination, including capitalism and patriarchy.

occupybacon

“The Russian government tries to prevent this in its own country, believing that the Empire collapses when it loses its ideology” Russinan government aknowledge that they are an Empire.

Boris Kazlov

Russia does not have a significant military presence beyond its borders. Whereas Jew Yankistani has over a thousand military bases abroad and has divided the world in military commands: Africom. Centcom, etc.
So who is the Empire?

cechas vodobenikov

Russian troops only exit in nations by invitation—there are some in Tajistan, Uzbekistan, 5000 is Armenia, stationed at the turkey border, some in Pridnestrovia, Abkhazia, and Syria, also by invitation

occupybacon

And who invited the little green in Crimea, Abhazia, Osetia, Transnistria, Chechnya?

Lone Ranger

The U.S., when they attacked them and or threatened them.

Lone Ranger

Aside from Transnistria the rest is part of Russia always was.

occupybacon

Grand Duchy of Moscow durin Ivan the Terrible 1525. So 500 years ago there was no Russia.comment image

Lone Ranger

There was.
But there wasn’t a U.S…

occupybacon

USA doesn’t claim Britain as their teritory just because they have some origins there. And there was no Russia in 1500. Or you can show me a map of it from 1500. If it has Osetia, Abhazia and Crimea, you won.

Lone Ranger

Is that why they have miliary bases there and in half of Europe expanding?
They are all a U.S. colony.
Like I said U.S. didn’t exist before 1776.
When will they give it back to the natives?
Or Hawaii…
Or the lands stolen from Mexico…
How about Alaska…?
:)
I think you lost that one too bacon…

Zionism = EVIL

He is eating too much bacon again and his brain is turning to shit as usual. Sometimes he makes progress :)

Lone Ranger

He probably takes statins for his bacon cholesterol that can cause early onset of dementia…

Jens Holm

Europe is not expanding.

Russia is pushed back from where they came as thives.

Denmark even before the viking age had very good trade relations all the way around the Baltic Sea to the states there.

That goes for Sweden and Finland as well. Germans = same thing.

…………………………………..

Other Empires has not been nice as well, but thats no excuse seen from here it was those kind of systems. And we do see those systems also are critiseized for the bad things they did and even are blamed for the good things, they also did.

Denmark had colonies and kept slaves there as well as we at that time also included slave transports. But more should excuse for that too.

Danes did not catch those slaves. It was local african countries, which catched most of them and also “deported” own citicens.

There is much more to evil then that. Gulag has been much worse then Solsjenitsoan ever wrote and Russians has punished and deported so many to integrate. So many etnicities are killed or died because their lives as nomads could not be controlled by the Bolsjevics.

You can say the same all over. Aborigins in Australia is a very good example too.

So You, Me and others has to relate to that and find a sober level and dont descriebe things as Russia alaway has been there. Thats simply a lie created by the Bolsjevics.

I wont blame pupils having learned that in school. Children has nop chopise and most of them like to learn and be proud about it. But if things mainly are lies and even totally fake creations, they easy can be found in sober versions, because “West” has a more open attitude to that kind of science.

So You have to change.

Its also hard for me to be blamed for slaves in West India making sugar and Rum.

I was not born then. My family many generations back are and were poor fishermen and peasants as farmers hands. Some emmigrated because they not even had food and close here.

Should I excuse for that. No way. But I know and understand a lot was wrong. In the other hand things happend 100 yars ago and more should be a forever excuse, where I should feel bad and pay them.

Those living there and in those days also should change attitude and also find the same level, where we will not do something like that again.

Its always forgotten, that Our Goverments or us or by us actually did correct fx slavery.

Denmark did not fight to keep Island and Norway. Now we arte friends. The Norwegians even took a Danish preice for King.

And how Hitler treated us. Well after WW1 and German lost we were neutral. WW1 was npt hours. We only took back the danish speaking areas by voting. It was fair compared to others taking all they could from Germany.

I am sure it meant a lot in the nazi world.

So You should do same thing and vote those 2 provinces back but also compensate Ukraine. Those pårovinces was a part of a deal.

Lone Ranger

What a load of BS you are really mentally handicapped.
EU is not expanding really?
Lol

Lone Ranger

Finland didn’t exist.
It was part of the Swedish Empire.
When Karl Gustav attacked Russia and lost, Finland was created as a buffer zone between Sweden and Russia.
Germans genocided Poles and Baltic people during the crusades.
Teutonic knights were killing everything that moves….
Once again you prove western education is worth shit…

Lone Ranger

Most the people in the Gulags were white anti commie Russians and Germans, not natives.
Another fail by you…

Lone Ranger

You forget that Denmark sided with the Nazis during WWII.
Danish king was a proudember of the Nazi party…
Free Corps Denmark….aka the Waffen SS….

Lone Ranger

But good news EU is falling apart so is the U.S. Empire.
Colonies and occupied stated will become countries and nation states again.
UL was the first, more to follow :)
Patriots FTW.

occupybacon

Yes we like to be a US colony, we had enough of being a Russia colony. The fucking mongols plundered and raped everyone in Eastern Europe, we prefer paper green over little green.

Lone Ranger

Germans and U.S. raped more than Russia.
Russia ends wars, rarely starts them.
Enjoy being a bootlicker prosstitute…
From whatever shithole you are.
Probably from Ukropisstan.
Majority of Europe is not on your opinion by the way.
They want the U.S. out, for good.
Poor trollstoy…

occupybacon

Probably Merkelistan and Macronistan, but the countries from the East EU want to form a belt to contain the neo-mongol empire.

Lone Ranger

Indeed, nobody wants to do anything with CIA and soros funded Ukropnazis.

occupybacon

Sure we do, we want to trade gas with Ukraine. You know, the one muscals have stolen from Siberia.

Lone Ranger

You are getting delusional now trollstoy…
Russia cannot steal from itself. :)
In fact its your shitty country ukropisstan that stole $5billion worth of gas.
And the U.S. stealing oil from Iraq, Syria and Lybia…
Prepare for cold winters, as soon as north stream 2 is operational this year Ukropisstan will go dry.
North Stream 1-2 and South Stream are taking over.
You can buy U.S. LNG for 4-5 times the cost with EU and IMF loans and selling out your colony you call a country…
P.S. I forgot to add the U.S. would need at least 10more LNG tankers to deliver that many aside from that most the infrastructure is still missing.
Only one polish and one baltic nazi harbour can process LNG in small quantities.

occupybacon

LNG is 30% higher than Russian gas, not 20 times lol. And btw, USA said it will sanction any insurance company that will provide insurance to that vessel. And EU doesn’t work without insurance. So you can say bye to Nord Stream 2 the same like you did to South Stream ;)

Lone Ranger

4 times* if it comes from the U.S.
30% if its European source.

occupybacon

I bet you have secret sources for that info. I believe you.

Lone Ranger

Just ask a Pole how much they pay compared to Russian gas…
Why did energy prices tripple in Ukraine?
Russia didnt raise the price 300%.

occupybacon

How do you get your info, have a Pole frind and call him, or visit Poland and ask random people how much they paid for the American LNG?

Lone Ranger

I watch the news…

occupybacon

You mean RT

Lone Ranger

Many news, RT included., CNN and BBC too.

occupybacon

Same shit, different colors. Btw that info with US lng being 30% more expensive is from RT.

Lone Ranger

In fact its 3-400%.
RT got it wrong…

occupybacon

Pitty they didn’t ask you first

Lone Ranger

Well, nobody is perfect… :)

occupybacon

Don’t bee too modest. People will take advantage of you.

Lone Ranger

Like you..?

occupybacon

Yeah I took advantage of your kindness and won my potato talking with you.

Lone Ranger

Did you play Dr. Evil in the Austin Power movies…?

occupybacon

I’m not a cinefil but one of my secret dream career when I was kud, was porn actor.

Lone Ranger

You don’t say…

Lone Ranger

It will be finished, dont worry, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic and Denmark all support it.
Nobody cares what braindead neonazis in Ukropisstan or americants in the delusional U.S. want :)

occupybacon

And which insurance company suicide just to work with that vessel for 2 months?

Lone Ranger

A Russian or a German probably.
Dont lose sleepless nights over it :)

occupybacon

Sure EU works with Russian ‘insurance companies’ :)) that’s a very wet dream, Sergey

Lone Ranger

Why not?
They are working with Russia on many fronts.

occupybacon

Many fronts? Russia is seling natural resources and they are seling back finite products, what other ‘fronts’ do they need?

Lone Ranger
occupybacon

It says 99% natural resources. Do you have any other data you would like me to translate for you?

Lone Ranger

It doesnt say that.

occupybacon

But what does it say? :)

Lone Ranger

That Russia trades on many fronts with Germany.
And not just raw materials.

occupybacon

Indeed it trades many products with Germany, not only raw materials, just that raw materials make like 99% of Rusdian exports, the rest are zakuska, vodka, buckwheat and a few cans of caviar for Merkel.

Lone Ranger

You know that ain’t true…

occupybacon

It’s your list dude. The raw materials are tens of billions, the finite products are few hundred millions, less than a billion combined.

Lone Ranger

Was that Jaja ding dong math…?

occupybacon

No it was 5g interference from the big Rusdian antena from Cuba.

Lone Ranger

Very funny…

Lone Ranger

$12.7billion…
That’s slightly more than 1% I would say…
One does Ukraine export?
Aside from stolen Russian gas, debt and neo Nazis…?

occupybacon

12 billion my ass, only if those assets are land meant for agriculture.

What does Ukraine export? Anything they want since they have free trade deal with EU. You got it? No taxes, dude. Anything they made is cheaper than products made in EU.

Lone Ranger
occupybacon

Awww look what I found on your site, less than 1% growth in 2019,more like 0.5% https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth

Lone Ranger

For one quarter…
There are 4 quarters in a year…;)

occupybacon

Hahahaha! the quareters are not cumulative, each quarter of 2020 is compared to its corespondent of 2019. So let’s say you have 4 quarters of 0.5 each, then you have a year of 0.5… And not 2.

Lone Ranger

Wrong.
You have 2%
They add together.

occupybacon

Yes, they cumulate? Then Ukraine had 11% growth in 2019 https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp-growth-annual

Lone Ranger

It says it shrunk 0.7% per quarter.
So thats minus 2.8%
Sounds legit to me.

occupybacon

Look at the graph, kid. It shows 2-4% per quarter in 2019.

Lone Ranger

2020-02-14 02:30 PM YoY Prel Q4 1.5% 4.1% 2.3% 3%
2020-03-20 02:00 PM YoY Final Q4 1.5% 4.1% 1.5% 1.5%
2020-05-15 12:15 PM YoY Prel Q1 -1.5% 1.5% -1% -1.3%
2020-06-19 12:00 PM YoY Final Q1 -1.3% 1.5% -1.5% -1.5%
2020-08-14 01:30 PM YoY Prel Q2 -1.3% -22%
2020-09-18 01:30 PM YoY Final Q2 -1.3% -22%
2020-11-16 02:30 PM YoY Prel Q3 -14%
2020-12-21 02:30 PM YoY Final Q3

occupybacon

So isn’t cumulative anymore?

Lone Ranger

It is.
Ok make that 18% minus.
Im generous…:)

occupybacon

Is that per quarter or per year?

Lone Ranger

18% per year.

occupybacon

Growth?

Lone Ranger

Decrease.

Lone Ranger

Correction 36%

occupybacon

And 2019 was?

Lone Ranger

3%

occupybacon

And Russia?

Lone Ranger

Around 2%
Germany 1%
But its not on the same order of magnitude.
Aside from that Ukraines growth was only due to loans and cheap Rusdian gas.

occupybacon

Good, you learned another thing today, the semesters are not cumulative, you should say thanks.

Lone Ranger

They are.
You are welcome.

occupybacon

A semester is compared with a semester or with a year?

Lone Ranger

To put it into perspective how weak the Ukrop economy is.
It has 4times the population and around 6times the territory of Hungary.
Yet GDP ppp is almost the same…

occupybacon

So ppp isn’t per capita?

Lone Ranger

No its purchase parity.
In fact I was generous the ppp stats of Ukraine are slightly better than that of Hungary.
Nominal GDP is higher in Hungary.

Lone Ranger

It will shrink 22%…

occupybacon

Sure, 2020

Lone Ranger

Its 2020…

occupybacon

How much free time a socially assisted 35 old kid has?

Lone Ranger

Same as you do I guess…

occupybacon

I work online, colecting data.

Lone Ranger

Is that how you call being a govt troll?
Interesting…

occupybacon

At least I don’t live on food stamps.

Lone Ranger

Me either.
But being a globalist govt troll is probably worse than foodstamps.
Just sayin…

occupybacon

You may be 35 but have the brain of a child, sorry for your parents. They have to take care of you at this age. I had talks with teenagers a lot more mature than you.

Lone Ranger

Thats a lot of passive agression…
Are you on your period…?
Dont blame me if I know economics better.
I know glorious bandersitan… But facts are facts…

occupybacon

Lol here’s a lollipop for knowing economics better. And quarters are cumulative huh?

Lone Ranger

Indeed they are.
Sorry Imnl out of lollys…

occupybacon

Then how much Ukraine’s economy will shrink in 2020 if it will be 22% per quarter?

Lone Ranger

Around 36% give or take.
Which is realistic considering Germany will level out around 10%

occupybacon

Why not 76% I mean let’s be optimistic if we hate math, history and geography anyway. And reality since Russia has multiple bases in Cuba and Americans didn’t step on the Moon.

Lone Ranger

Font hate on me.
Im not doing it.
U.S. GDP will decrease 15-20%

occupybacon

And Russia will become a first world country.

Lone Ranger

It already is.
Maybe Ukraine and the U.S. will join the club once they finished their civil wars…

occupybacon

I don’t think Kim Jong Un will allow them into his club.

Lone Ranger

Who knows, if the democrats win they will probably turn the U.S
Into NK.

occupybacon

There are higher chances that Putin isolate the Russian Internet from the rest of the world. Which will be a pitty since they are good outsourcers.

Lone Ranger

If you say so…

Lone Ranger

It seems EU isn’t buying the majority but Russia.
Aside from that Ukrop exports and economy are in a free fall.
Hope they won’t ask Russia for a loan.lolz

occupybacon

So other things that hoping USA and Ukraine to fall… what good do you see in Russia?

Lone Ranger

You are getting tired.
Your English is not as polished as a few hours ago :)
Faith, future, humility, loyalty, conservative values.
Defeating the bad guys, giving hope for the rest of the World.
Science, literature, Aviation, space exploration.
Just to me a few…

Lone Ranger

If you lie at least do it with more style…

occupybacon

That’s not a lie, that is sarcasm. If I would explain to you, you’d be able to understand it?

Lone Ranger

It’s a lie…

occupybacon

Ahh you got me. Are you a cop?

Lone Ranger

Don’t worry, you are good…

occupybacon

Thank you officer. I always dreamed to become a police officer. But I graduated.

Lone Ranger

That’s a hungarian joke…

Lone Ranger

Better luck next time…

occupybacon

I don’t need luck, I have skills.

Lone Ranger

Did papa soros tell you that?
Cute…
You are special…

occupybacon

I’m not that rich but thanks. Your asumption is a compliment to me.

Lone Ranger

On the other hand nobody works with Ukropnazis.
Not even the EU or the U.S.
Ukrop economy is shrinking.
They are suicidal.
But they wont be missed… Shlomo.

occupybacon

Looking at the graph, they are growing faster than Russia.

Lone Ranger

Hahaha.
Sure…

Lone Ranger

Slower*
Not that they would have an economy left
Only Russian gas and oil, and EU and IMF loans keep them afloat.
Question is how long…

occupybacon

I didn’t make ilusion thay you was able to read a graph. So yeah, slower. Russia sanctined economy rose 1% in 2019 while Ukraine’s 3%.

Lone Ranger

2%*
Which is better than that of Germany I may add…
Ukropisstan doesnt have an economy.
Loans and stolen Russian gas make up most of that 3%.
And now they even lost that little.
I doubt anybody in the EU will waste more money on braindead ukrops especially now…
And Russia will reroute the gas within 6-12months…
Oy vey…

occupybacon

Putin himsef aknowledged 1%

Lone Ranger

Not for 2019.

occupybacon

Yes 2019, 2020 is negative you silly.

Lone Ranger

Nope, 2019 was 2%
Not as negatíve as for the U.S. or Ukropnazis.:)

occupybacon

How was for US?

Lone Ranger

Around 3%.
But it’s a fake number since the U.S
Is not a production based economy.
But a debt based one.
FED is pouring unlimited money(loans) to Wall Street, Banksters and Fortune 500 companies
These than sell back and forth their own stocks inflating the price creating an illusion of profit.
But we both know Facebook isnt worth a $100billion, it’s all a bad joke.
Good news the house of cards is collapsing.

occupybacon

And if everything is fake, collepsing, junk toys etc why y’all so obsessed with them?

Lone Ranger

I’m not at least I try not to.
But as history shows us, a collapsing empire can cause the most damage, there were exceptions in history but on avg it’s a dangerous time.
And the U.S. is doing a lot of horrific things especially since 9/11.
But it has accelerated since 2008.
They are on borrowed time…

occupybacon

What do you see worse after 2008? Iraq was in 2003.

Lone Ranger

Georgia, Ukraine, Lybia, Syria, African campaigns…
Oh almost forgot, cartel wars started in 2006.
Also CIA run of course.

occupybacon

Georgia and Ukraine were attacked by Russia.

Lone Ranger

Wrong.
Georgia attacked an ally of Russia South Is Seth is, they killed UN border patrol troops and started ethnic clensing the local population.
Only after that did Russia engage and defeated the U.S. backed Georgian ay in 5 days.
Shortly after that they went home, didn’t bomb Georgia to dust and didn’t occupy them for years le the U.S. usually does.

Russia didn’t invade Ukraine, if they had there wouldn’t be an Ukraine today.
In fact it was the U.S. whom toppled the legitim govt of Ukraine and started a civil ear against ethnic Russians in the east because they weren’t accepting Porkyshitko ad the new president.

occupybacon

I don’t know, little green look like invasion to me. And if Russia have the right to be in Georgia just because Osetia is ally of Russia then USA has the right to be in Syria bevause Kurds are allies of USA.

Lone Ranger

They did invade, but not first.
Russia is not in Georgia at present.
Syria is a state and a UN member.
Kurds dont even have a country…
Aside from that it was Russia and the SAA who saved their ass from the Turks.

occupybacon

Georgia and Ukraine are UN members too, and like Syria they were invaded by foreign powers because ethnic minorities asked for help.

Lone Ranger

Ukraine wasnt invaded ( except for the U.S. toppling the legitim govt)
And east Ukraine didn’t ask for help either.
South Ossetia asked for help not Georgia, after they were invaded by U.S. backed Georgia killing UN border patrol troops.
Aside from that U.S. doesnt give a shit about Kurds.
They let them to be genocided by saddam three times, in 1988, 1991 and 1998.
Turkey also started to genocide Kurds in Syria and was stopped only due to SAA and Russian intervention.
U.S. is only there to guard their stolen oil fields.
Same as they guard the opium fields in Afghanistan.
They did the same in Vietnam.
Nothing new…

occupybacon

Cool story mate but that with the Russian secret base from Cuba is even cooler.

Lone Ranger

Do you get paid by the number of posts?
Did you earn your daily potatoe ration yet or should I carry on?

occupybacon

Thank you for feeding my family, goid sir.

Lone Ranger

You are welcome.
Albeit If I would were you I would look for a new job…

occupybacon

Why, i have this job for 6 years, pretty relaxing.

Lone Ranger

Bad mojo for you…

occupybacon

Not all of us are priviledged to work at the Russian base from Cuba.

Lone Ranger

You should try it I’m slurping a mojito and Papa Putin just padded me on my back…lol.

occupybacon

A like mojito but i’m more a line or two in the toilet + few aftershok shots at the bar kind of guy.

Lone Ranger

I don’t take drugs.
I wouldn’t do if I were you.
Did you know that cocaine can damage your heart valves and kidney?
It takes a few years but many develop heart failure as a result.
It can be cured but who wants a heart valve replacement with 45…?

occupybacon

Thanks mate, it’s just a hobby. We all die after all. Besides them lil sluts that become nasty when high.

Lone Ranger

Oh you are really bad :)

Lone Ranger

But who knows maybe if Ukropnazis stop the genocide in East Ukraine Russia will sell them enough to not freeze to death during winter.

occupybacon

Nahh, gas warms the body, killing colorado terrorists warms the soul.

Lone Ranger

Except you are the terrorists…

occupybacon

Zakharchenko, Motorola, Givi and many other heroes are screaming from under the ground: Hungarian boy, you care of us more than Putin did, we salute you! And I envy you for that

Lone Ranger

Putin cares.
He sent in around 80 convoys into east Ukraine with food and meds sofar.
For free.
Both for ethnic Russians and ethnic Ukrainians.
What did kiev do?
Stopped pensions, trade, bombed schools, hospitals, residental areas, power generators.
How did Russia respond?
They kept Ukraine alive with cheap gas and oil.
How dare they not let ukrops starve to death, how dare they…
That evil Putin…oy oy…
You are nothing more than cannonfodder and useful idiots for the U.S.

occupybacon

Putin could show strength there but he shat his pants when he saw the list of sanctions.

Lone Ranger

Not really.
He only realized more people would die in a full on war.
But for the past 6 years the whole World could see what D.C. and Kiev is doing in Ukraine.
Genocide and ethnic clensing.
Not a good PR for either countries…
Kharma is catching up…

occupybacon

Ukraine is doing genocide, ethnic cleasing where more precisely? In Donbas? Cause they are not in control there.

Lone Ranger

They don’t have to be in control.
They used grads, heavy mortars and long range artillery for years.
The new President is a bit less bloodthirsty but he ain’t in full control unfortunately.

occupybacon

If they used those on civilians the cities would be empty by now.

Lone Ranger

Many fled but many stayed.
Russians have a different mindset.
Don’t forget they survived the Napoleonic wats, the nazis and Lenin and Stalin too…
Not that easy to break them.

occupybacon

Since they were raped by the mongols multiple times, what else could hurt them?

Lone Ranger

I can’t follow your logic…
Aside from that Ukrops and Russians are genetically the same people.
Even Poles and Russians have very little difference genetically…so if their forfaters were raped, your’s were too…
In fact that’s true for every European till the German border.
That’s how far Mongols got…

occupybacon

Not really, only around Novogorod region they are as tall like the Ukrainians or Belorussians, the rest of Russia are the little green. Here’s some half mongol people: Boris Eltsin, Vladimir Putin, Dimitri Medvedev, Alexey Miller, Sergey Shoigu.

Lone Ranger

Thats not true and is also racist.
Little green man are probably taller than you…

occupybacon

Why is that racist, Muscovy Ducacy was a vasal state of the Golden Horde.

Lone Ranger

No it wasnt.
Russia defeated the mongols.
Only two countries beat them, Hungary and Russia.
Saving Europe…

occupybacon

Muscovy was officialy vasal of the Golden Horde and they didn’t have any of the actual Ukraine teritory in 1500. This is official history in Russia.

Lone Ranger

You shouldnt get your history lessons from corn flakes boxes.
Ukraine didnt exist before 1918.
And Russia defeated the mongols.

occupybacon

No, I should just believe my imagination like you.

Lone Ranger

You spelled historical facts wrong tho…

occupybacon

Do you have a link with Russia before 1500?

Lone Ranger

Kievian Rus…
Gran Dutchy of Moscow.
Same entity under different names.
Same as England turned into the British Empire than GB than UK…

occupybacon

Any map?

Lone Ranger

Wikipedia..

Google…

occupybacon

You couldn’t find any?

Lone Ranger
occupybacon

So Kiev eas the capital of Russia not Moscow.

Lone Ranger

Indeed, Kiev is a Russian city.
Or was at least.

occupybacon

I agree, Ukraine is the real Russia, the so called Russia is just a neo-mongol empire. The same as Taiwan is the real China and so called China is land occupied by the Communist Party.

Lone Ranger

Not according to history.
Ukraine didn’t exist before 1918.
Kievian Rus was Russian but moved their capital to Moscow and St. Petersburg due to safety reasons.
After Russia quit WWI due to the bolshevik revolution, Lenin gave away Ukraine to weaken Russia. except for the western parts that are Polish and Hungarian and a small section in the south that is Romanian the rest is ethnic Russian, culturally, genetically.
Most Ukrainians speak Russian, even Porkyshitko speaks Russian and all the other politicans except a few neo nazi ukrops…
So you see Russia created Kiev and Ukraine, not vice versa.
Ukraine means border region…
Its about the same difference as germany amd Austria.
Not much…
Only a few radicals.

Lone Ranger

Taiwan is only a small Chinese colony ruled by the U.S.

occupybacon

Small but though. China is afraid to aproach them.

Lone Ranger

They dont want to kill tens of thousends of people.
But according to a war game by the RAND corporation(Best think tank in the U.S.)
China could take if with moderate losses.
But I think they are playing longterm.
Why start a war now when the U.S. Empire is crumbling, but they can wait for years even decades they waited for Hong Kong for 200 years and they got it now…

occupybacon

But they tried in the past and git their arses owned.

Lone Ranger

When?

occupybacon

In 50 and something.

Lone Ranger

Oh the Korean war.
It was a tie.
All sides suffered heavy casulties.
Especially koreans.

occupybacon

We were talking Taiwan not Korea.

Lone Ranger

Yeah but the only war the U.S. fought with China was in Korea 1950-53.

occupybacon

I said that China attemp to invade Taiwan failed miserably, I didn’t mention US. Taiwanese manhandled PLA alone.

Lone Ranger

Ukraine 43% of R1a DNA
Russia 46.7% R1a DNA
R1a is nordic.

occupybacon

Nordic can be asian too. Eskimos are nordics.

Lone Ranger

R1a are scandinavian nordic.
Aside from that its inuit not eskimo.

occupybacon

Maybe you try basics of economy before self styling of a genetician?

Lone Ranger

Truth hurts, I get it…

occupybacon

I see you get it a lot.

Lone Ranger

Yeah, ukrops are delusional…
But what can people do aside from telling them the Truth.

occupybacon

You are obessed with Ukraine and Russia. Weird for a pretended Hungarian.

Lone Ranger

Stating facts is not obsessed.
Weird you pretend not be be an ukropnazi on soros payroll…

occupybacon

*staging facts :)

Lone Ranger

I know you do.
But dont worry Im here to correct you ;)

Lone Ranger

But thanks for admitting you are an ukropnazi…

occupybacon

No I’m not but if a muscal calls me that, that’s an honor

Lone Ranger

A Hungarian calls you that, and you are.
No its not an honor, cockroaches have no honor aka nazis…

occupybacon

Yeah, hungarians are in love with russians especially great donbas supporters

Lone Ranger

Some are.

Lone Ranger

Tell that to the thousends of civs you killed…
Kharma is coming for Ukropisstan and their handlers…

occupybacon

I ain’ killed nobody boy, I’m a laptop guy. Those cockhroaches in Odessa burned themselves with deir own devices.

Lone Ranger

Did Porkyshitko tell you that?
Oh boy…
I guess they strangles, stabbed, shot and beat themselves to death too…
Aside from that that was only the start.
Nazi paramilitary units shot and killed random people on the streets of Odessa.
Aside from that they are shelling sivs with heavy artillery for 6 years.
Longer than nazis did in WWII.

Lone Ranger

By the way these sanctions are unlawful.
Only proves how weak the U.S. is, they cant take competition.
Neither from the EU, nor Russia or China.
They are official at third world level.

occupybacon

If US is 3rd world, Russia is not in top 100.

Lone Ranger

Wishful thinking…
Russia is better off on all fronts.

occupybacon

Except at dignity when they cry for being sanctioned like little bitches.

Lone Ranger

Ukropnazis and Americans shouldnt use the word dignity.
Its like vampires and holy water, a bad mix…
Russia isnt crying.
You do with your useless sanctions…

occupybacon

Please don’t cry Natasha, the sanctions are here to stay.

Lone Ranger

Doesnt matter.
They are actually boosting Russian economy now.
Aside from that its a farawell to the U.S. Empire.

occupybacon

Russia was number 5 in 2014 and IMF warned that it coud take the place of Germany by 2020. Well they took care if Her, now it’s on 11 behind Italy. So farewell top 10 economies.

Lone Ranger

They are still number 4-5.

occupybacon

My info was gross GDP not PPP but thanks, I will read more about this.

Lone Ranger

PPP is what matters.
Purchase parity shows the real strength of an economy.
GDP is only a steril number inflated by fiat money laundering.

occupybacon

Sounds legit but there is another factor, USA still has a middle class, Russia has so many billionaires that is not much left for the rest. So we can’t really put this people together and calculate that ppp. I mean look at Russian buildings, they don’t afford to paint them.

Lone Ranger

Where exactly?
Most U.S. cities are falling apart.
60% of Russian civilian infrastructure has been upgraded since 2000.
Every country has run down places but Russia is doing pretty good amongst developed nations.
Russian middle class is increasing while U.S. middle class is being wiped out.
Avg debt per capita is $6000 in Russia vs $64,000 in the U.S.
Unemployment is also much lower in Russia.

occupybacon

Ahhh the debt again. Who cares about the debt, Russia companies were hit with sanctions that they can’t take loans thus can’t have the debt. The debt is a priviledge. And yrah, again everything is falling apart in USA. What Soviet Union was hoping in her short life.

Lone Ranger

Debt is a privilege?
Lol you are really delusional…
Yeah remind me where did the Soviet Union had 27 tent cities like the U.S. does today.
I
U.S Is the only developed nation without a universal healthcare.
40million Amercans have no health insurance.
At least 200million have no full coverage.
50million are on foodstsamps.
Yeah real superpower right behind India…

occupybacon

There is half of Africa there, is hard to civilize all of them.

Lone Ranger

Wiping out or civilizing?
Not sure what the U.S. and France tries in recent years…

occupybacon

What has France to do in US?

Lone Ranger

In Africa.
Neocolonialism I guess.

occupybacon

Like the lil greens in Crimea?

Lone Ranger