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Russian Warships Go To The Black Sea, As US Cargo Planes Fly To Kiev

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Russian Warships Go To The Black Sea, As US Cargo Planes Fly To Kiev

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On April 11, locals shared online photos and videos of the warships of the Russian Caspian Flotilla in Rostov-on-Don region, near the town of Alexandrovka. According to the press service of the Southern Military District, more than 10 Russian assault landing vessels and gun-boats go from the Caspian to the Black Sea to participate in joint military exercises.

“According to the plan for passing the control check, the crews of the boats, in cooperation with the forces of the Black Sea Fleet, will take part in offset naval exercises,” the message says. “By order of the commander of the Southern Military District, General of the Army Alexander Dvornikov, units of the marines and coastal forces of the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla were involved to check the readiness to repel sea and air assault forces.”

Russian Warships Go To The Black Sea, As US Cargo Planes Fly To Kiev

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Two days before, Turkey sent a notice to the participants of the Montreux Convention, saying that US warships will pass through Bosphorus from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea and vice versa.

According to US Navy Sixth Fleet spokesman Kyle Raines, on April 14 and 15, as part of the large-scale NATO military exercises Defender Europe 2021, two US destroyers with missile weapons, presumably USS Roosevelt and USS Donald Cook, are expected to enter the Black Sea. This move is primarily aimed to demonstrate support for Ukraine. According to the deputy head of the press service of the US State Department, Jalin Porter, they will be in the Black Sea area until May 4.

It is not for the first time US warships navigate through the Black Sea. Since 2014, they have been going to Ukrainian port of Odessa on a regular basis. According to an American source, the US Navy regularly sends its fleet there, but such a step at the moment would mean a “special message” for the Russian Federation.

Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov commented on the issue: “Passes of U.S. ships to the Black Sea are accompanied by aggressive rhetoric, Moscow doesn’t understand what are Washington’s purposes in Ukraine”.

At the moment, it is not likely that any of the sides of the conflict would launch a military escalation in the Black Sea, since Russia has a large military fleet there, and the U.S. and NATO naval capabilities are not sufficient in the region. Moreover, the Bosphorus is still under the regulation of the Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits.

The ongoing claims and threats from Washington to send its warships to the Black Sea are likely nothing more but an empty bluster. Meanwhile, Russia uses chance to strengthen its military capabilities in the Black Sea region.

The United States, in its turn, uses other ways to support its allies in Kiev. At least two US Air Force C-130J Hercules military cargo aircraft arrived in Kiev over the last 24 hours from US military base in Stuttgart and from Riga.

Previously, at least three military transport aircraft of the US Air Force have arrived in Ukraine in the beginning of April, according to data from aviation observers.

NATO military instructors are also reportedly involved in trainings of Ukrainian snipers. One of such training camps was established in Mariupol next to the front lines, according to Donetsk military intelligence.

Thus, Kiev’s main allies, primarily the U.S. and Turkey, are ready to support Ukrainian military by sending equipment and giving advises. The main tool of their support are loud claims and political accusations towards Russia. However, no NATO member state will let its soldier die in Eastern Ukraine or in the Black Sea.

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johnny rotten

Cargo planes carry diapers, material for the beauty of trans and everything it need for the new Woke American armed forces.

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Jesus

Russia could careless about about two US destroyers.deploying in the Black Sea, it has no military value, it is intended to provide some empty narrative about US actions to help Ukraine.
Maybe an EW attack on these destroyers could provide US with more embarrassment that is willing to acknowledge.

The C130’s are small cargo planes that carry limited loads of supplies….maybe some old
HUMVEEs or some other inconsequential crap.

Supreme Blyat

Usually they park in Odessa port. The Russian target of choice would be Mariupol anyway.

josef volny

Russia’s target of choice is to protect its borders and citizens. They have no other choice though constantly disturbing by bloodthirsty Americans and their EU henchman.

Jesus

Mariupol and as far south west as possible….all the way to the Romanian border, Odessa included.

Supreme Blyat

I wouldn’t hold my breathe for it :D

cechas vodobenikov

in actual confrontation most ukrop soldiers will defect to Russia

AM Hants

Like 2014. Defect to Russia or end up as some form of compost, with Monsanto-Beyer fertiliser, as many found at Donetsk Airport. Or perhaps, locked in the cauldrons, which no doubt are already being prepared, just for NATO and Nanzi Forces.

jack

that what i will do,if im in such situation

cechas vodobenikov

bacon now consultant to shoigu—bacon occupies basement in Lvov

Supreme Blyat

Beating some pro-moscals with chains and extinguishers

Nucu

the old stock of TOW’s that didn’t make it to Syria

ELPuerco

mini nukes..Sir..they are using..

Jesus

I don’t think so.

AM Hants

There are rumours that they are planning a nuclear false flag, with Russia getting the blame. No doubt Russia is fully aware of the rumours.

Jihadi Colin

They are useful for collecting information on Amerikastani electronic signatures, etc.

Ricky Miller

Oh but they do have military value, depending on which destroyers they are. About half of all American Destroyers are equipped with anti ballistic missile defenses. Now, for sure they’d be a larger threat to Russia’s strategic deterrence if they were in the Arctic, but from the Black Sea they still have a potential firing solution on ICBM’s, especially in the boost out phase. The Americans would want to intercept these missiles before the payload vehicles separate in the stratosphere and begin evasive movements.

The Black Sea would provide a special chance to do this for any Russian missiles engaged in a flight pattern known as a partial orbital trajectory. This would be a missile directed toward the Equator and Southern Polar region, attacking North America from a Southern direction, designed to beat most land deployed American missile defenses. The Sarmat is designed to do it but older Soviet era heavy ICBM’s probably can too, and the kicker is that most of those probably are mated to non-evasive payload vehicles, making their warhead clusters vulnerable to intercept during coast or ballistic phases of flight. In terms of military statistics, a number of Russian ICBM’s shot down during boost phase, and a number of payload vehicles shot down during ballistic flight over the Indian Ocean, means enough eliminated warheads to be militarily relevant.

So, the deployment of these destroyers puts Russia’s Black Sea Fleet on a tight clock or timeline in any major crisis. Not only would the ships have to be sunk, they’d might have to be sunk within minutes as a time critical requirement for ICBM launches, especially Satan launches directed toward Southern partial orbits. Meaning, their very deployment affects Russia’s deterrence posture, and America’s too. One posture is a little taller, the other a little shorter and more complicated. It also increases the risk for everyone.

Jesus

First, I am not impressed by the US SM3 ballistic missile, since Americans do not seem able to come up with any viable ground to air defenses, it does 3-4 kms per second, slow to catch an ICBM moving at 6kms a second. Yes, you said boost stage, still the SM3 does not have the range to reach deep into Russian air space, its range being around 1000kms.
Also relying on the concept of shooting a bullet with a bullet, relying on a kinetic intercept has not been proven repeatedly successful.
I personally think this anti ballistic system is overhyped and the Russians know where they are at, while Americans believe their form of reality.

Ricky Miller

I tend to agree with you. Yet, it still is an unknown. All things being equal Russia can’t be sure, and would no doubt strongly prefer that these ships not operate anywhere near their coastal areas. Also, the number of missiles left in inventory that can do a fractal orbital bombardment trajectory must be very small, so small that the shooting down of more than one or two might severely impact Russia’s plan, which I suspect is the placement of hundreds of decoys on these units and a few tactical warheads aimed at missile defenses. From that point of view these ships have to be sunk early in the escalation process to protect Russia’s safety timelines, making them a threat. And this time they are staying for nearly all the allowed timeframe in the Black Sea, according to statements. That’s three weeks of destabilizing presence.

Jesus

The introduction of the S500 into service would probably place one or two battalions in Crimea or adjoining area to intercept any firings from the Black Sea, the S500 anti ballistic missiles can do 6kms a second.

Rodion_Romanovic

You believe that a country ready to launch ballistic missiles would not sink or at least disable two destroyers in the black sea? The moment that one of the two countries decides to go nuclear, most of the American and Russian warships far from homeports will have a life of only a few minutes. Once they get a swarm of both supersonic and subsonic missiles coming at them (and possibly even hypersonic) the destroyers will be quite occupied trying to destroy at least a part of those, before thinking about ICBM.

Ricky Miller

That was me arguing the case you took issue with, not Jesus. My point isn’t that Russia couldn’t sink them, it’s about the time it might take to do so and how the passage of that time might affect Russia’s strategic calculations and ICBM launches, if the confrontation escalated. In fact, the Russian government might feel compelled to sink them sooner in the escalation process because of their ABM defenses, the act of which might drive escalation forward, faster. That makes their deployment militarily significant, regardless of their vulnerability.
And no, the destroyers wouldn’t have crews thinking about defending themselves first, if it came time. Russian ICBM’s being launched toward home would receive urgent priority, although shorter range surface to air missile systems can be utilized from the separate section of VLS cells to defend the ship even while launching ABM missiles.

Jesus

I agree that anti ballistic destroyers in the Black Sea could be sunk easily in case of a nuclear exchange, what if the nuclear exchange is like a chess game that plays out over a month or so?
Strike, counter strike…..repeatedly?

US top military officials testified before Congress that US can win a nuclear war with Russia……which is an American delusion.

Ricky Miller

I would agree with you but for the fact that S-500 launchers and radars are so scarce they seem to be the surface to air equivalent of Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster, at least for the moment. If the system had entered into mass production when it was supposed to and there were enough units to be all the places that they’re badly needed, the countermove you describe could work and make the placement of Arleigh Burke’s irrelevant for strategic considerations. But, here in Spring 2021, we aren’t there yet.

AM Hants

Back in 2014, the USS Donald Cook led a NATO Force, who were supposed to kick Russia out of Sevastopol. What happened next?

Bastion grinned down on the USS Donald Cook, which fled, attempting an 8 point turn, in the middle of the Black Sea, as fast as the Destroyer could manage. This was then followed by the Russian military jets, carrying whicker baskets with electrical jammers. Leaving the USS Donald Cook, without electrical power and isolated, like a sitting duck, in the middle of the Black Sea. The Sailors were trying to resign on mass and Vicky Nuland, over in the State Department was seriously not amused. Whilst the world, found it hilarious.

That was 7 years ago, when Crimea had only just returned to Russia. Although Crimea was heavily defended back then, nowhere near what she now has at her disposal. Does not matter how many Destroyers the US send to the Black Sea, a whicker basket will zap them out, with ease.

Plus, remember how many of those same Destroyers the US has written off, just by cargo ship collisions. Not exactly the greatest sailors in the world, now are they? Owing to lack of training, as proven in the Naval Investigations into the US Destroyers John McCain and what was the other one called, that also crashed into the merchant ship?

Ricky Miller

I agree Ma’am. But, it’s a technological race. Signals intelligence people probably poured over the data from the EW intervention and made adjustments. Might work, might not. One thing Russia should never do, and those of us rooting for the triumph of Russian foreign policy as well, is underestimate the United States. I live here. My people are as diabolical and proficient at violence as any civilization in world history. The presence of military units from the United States should never be treated as an unbeatable circumstance but in my view, should never be regarded as anything but competently menacing. Thinking that way, planning for the worse case challenge, is the most promising way to beat them.

jack

Russia just can send some empty CARGO Ships and the destroyers are kissing the bottom of the Black Sea,see event in Japan,ha ha

Band Itkoitko

Good point. Of course, we are just forum people. I’m sure the serious dudes and chicks on Russia’s side take things quite seriously. The US population is quite violent, true. You can see their riots, wars, shootings, politics (both Trump and the collective “Biden”, including that woman Clinton are completely nuts).

I think the end of the road has come though for them, which makes the situation quite dangerous.

AM Hants

The thing is, 7 years on and it is not just the US and friends who have updated their skills. Remember, NATO is an offensive organisation and they fight differently to those who are defensive and more importantly, more powerful and defending their own nation and people. As we saw, back in 2014, and that was just Eastern Ukrainian Farmers and Miners, with minimal experience. Yet, they could master the cauldrons back then and that is before you got to Donetsk Airport.

At the same time, the Government of the day was using white phosphorous and ballistic missiles on the people in the East, but, still they beat the living excretia out of those coming from them, courtesy their Government in Kiev. 7 years later, with extra training, souped up toys and all that experience. What happens when S-500 and the S-400 shuts down NATO weapons and systems? There is nothing in the NATO arsenal that can compare to what Russia has and that is a fact. They are generations ahead of the strongest NATO members weapons, systems and the man-power and that includes the US.

Jesus

In the past US intervened militarily when it had overwhelming superiority on the ground and in air. That superiority has disappeared,
US being adverse to having large casualties figures, will run off their mouth basking in the past glory, lying to themselves, unaware of present day realities.

Ricky Miller

Probably true. It seems in this case that the USA want a bunch of Ukrainians and Taiwanese to die accomplishing some kind of bank shot by defeat in propping up a sort of “great reset.”

Ricky Miller

I am full of sympathy for your views, I just don’t think you’re right. And something has to explain Russia’s extreme restraint, despite just atrocious American and EU behavior. I think I know why.

Su-57? One serviceable airframe.
MIG-35? The only other Russian aircraft to employ AESA radars-12 or 14 aircraft.
MIG-31BSM? 120 airframes, having to cover huge territory.
S-400 and S-300, and soon significant numbers of S-500’s? Awesome, literally thousands of missiles and hundreds of radars and launchers. But Russia’s territorial expanse is just huge, and the air defense forces will be facing off with more than 3000 American aircraft.
The BSF against two Arleigh Burke’s? Not as clear cut as you think. Russia’s ship launched cruise missile total in the Black Sea Fleet totals near to 150 launch tubes. The Arleigh Burke’s would total about 200 launch tubes, although a large number of those would be taken up with ABM missiles and shorter range surface to air missiles, which on the Russian ships are launched from different canisters. Still, not the overwhelming firepower advantage you imagine.
The real reason Russia has to be restrained in standing up to the USA, in my opinion? The total numbers of cruise missiles available to each side in order to wage sustained warfare. For Russia this totals between 1200 and 2000, counting older Soviet era missiles, especially KH-55’s. The United States has something in the neighborhood of 13,000 cruise missiles. And that’s before we start figuring in French and British cruise missile armories.
Russia is well defended but would bear substantial risk in a sustained conflict with the United States. The clear failure, so far, of the Yasen-M class of submarines, who were supposed to be present to the tune of 4 or 5 ships by now, but actually there are zero operational units, represents a major blow to any real Russian assertive posture. I’m not saying any of this to hate on Russia, I’m firmly in her camp, in fact. But I do feel the need to see around corners and try to see things for what they actually are, as opposed to what I wish them to be. Around those corners there are still large gaps in Russia’s growing capabilities. Understanding those gaps is what makes us analysts instead of just cheerleaders.

Jesus

“”” But Russia’s territorial expanse is just huge, and the air defense forces will be facing off with more than 3000 American aircraft.”””

Where are Americans going to concentrate 3000 aircraft against Russia?
Russia does not have to defend all its territories, because it will not be simultaneously attacked from every direction.

“”” The real reason Russia has to be restrained in standing up to the USA, in my opinion? The total numbers of cruise missiles available to each side in order to wage sustained warfare. For Russia this totals between 1200 and 2000, counting older Soviet era missiles, especially KH-55’s. The United States has something in the neighborhood of 13,000 cruise missiles. And that’s before we start figuring in French and British cruise missile armories.”””

I do not know how you count 13,000 cruise missiles for the US, the Russian Kalibr has been around since 2014, procuring 700 of them a year will provide over 4000 missiles.
Of course Russia has legacy missiles, which I am not counting.

How effective are these 13,000 cruise missiles and what is their mode of delivery?
The Tomahawks are subsonic and prone to EW jamming.
The more modern cruise missiles are shorter ranged delivered by B52.

“”” The clear failure, so far, of the Yasen-M class of submarines, who were supposed to be present to the tune of 4 or 5 ships by now, but actually there are zero operational units, represents a major blow to any real Russian assertive posture”””

There is one active Yassen, 2 are undergoing sea trials to become active this year, 2 are going to be commissioned in 22, ….the last commissioned ship is scheduled for 2027.

I am not cheerleading, I am speaking from a strategic/tactical employment of weaponry from a military stand point.

I read an article in Eurasia times where the Pentagon conducted war games against the Chinese in the South sea region and they fared well with weapons they do not have or conducting any RD in such technologies.

Ricky Miller

700 a year, I wish. In 2018 Sergei Shogui said in one quarterly update that 48 cruise missiles had been delivered to the Navy. That’s a pace of 192 per year, minus a dozen test launches and use in Syria annually. That’s a far cry from 700 per year, and the naval cruise missiles are spread out over three types, land attack, ASM, and ASW. Figure on similiar numbers for the Air Force, replacing older missiles.

The one Yasen to which you refer is the original prototype. It’s a great ship but it’s limitations are what led to the “M” type being developed as an improvement of the prototype. Four at minimum were due in 2020. “Kazan” has been delayed in commissioning four times. The 949A’s, my favorite research project on several occasions, were to be upgraded to the “AM” standard but none so far have emerged as an AM, based on Kalibr arsenals. “Orel” was described briefly by observers as an “AM” after her 2017-2018 refit closed out, but evidence has emerged that she still employs legacy missiles as her primary weapon.

I could go on, sir. But my point is that things are way more dicey than they appear at a casual read. This state of affairs also explains why Russia’s responses are restrained, and why Russia’s responses to the American and Western provocations are to continue to play the long game and let America drift into decline. And perhaps to wait until a kinetic conflict breaks out between the PRC and the USA, then join in on using military force to accomplish Russia’s own goals. For me, it’s the best explanation to understand Russia’s behavior.

Jesus

You paint the picture of Kalibr shortage based on a quarterly statement? Do you have numbers for all the quarters?
My opinion is that the number is much greater, since Russia arms ships of 1000 tons displacement with Kalibr missiles, even legacy destroyers and ASW ships are being upgraded, besides exports.
The tweaking of the Yassen platform is to get what they want for these expensive subs, not Kalibr missile shortage.
For that matter the vertical launchers on the Yassen can be loaded with Oniks, maintaining a deadly anti shipping and ASW capability, something the American subs do not have at those ranges.
Putin does not have to endanger Russia because of western insults and idiotic behavior, short of a direct attack on its armed forces.

Ricky Miller

I don’t have figures except for that quarter. I guessed at the time and wrote in my notebook that it seemed that 200 per year as a contracted volume seems way more likely than 192. But since that time the Russian defense budget actually contracted slightly, between 2-3%.
The Yasen-M project isn’t lacking cruise missiles, but it has been openly stated in Russian sources that the ship did not meet contractual standards. It even had to go back into the barn. Hopefully, this means that ships of the class on down the line including “Novosibirsk” have had modifications made to improve upon their time in sea trials. But, I’m tired of the whole thing. I first had “Kazan” as a screen saver image in late 2017, excited and using a calendar to predict different commissioning dates. I guessed 500 days for sea trials and certification. That was 1150 days ago…

Also. American submarines don’t have any anti-ship missile capability. That’s something that American defenses planners gave up two decades ago, for some dumb reason. And ships are safer at sea everywhere because of it.

Lone Ranger

Russia is nos building kore ships and dubs per year than foes the U.S.
They are also more stealthy with a eider range and bigger firepower.
Wont even mention thst they are faster and can dive almost twice as deep.

Ricky Miller

That is true, my friend. But they need to bring these units to completion and operational status. It doesn’t do much good to have ships in perpetual sea trials.

Ricky Miller

And note that not all Soviet legacy ships are being refit and upgraded with Kalibr missiles. “Smerch” for example, has been modernized and rearmed with 16 KH-35’s. One Destroyer has been modified and rearmed with a mixture of KH-35’s and Kalibrs,and is now classified as a frigate. And the Klub series of export missiles are a different production line, having different radars and propulsion mixtures.

So, doing the math. Commission an Admiral Gorshkov class frigate each year. That’s 16 Kalibr/P-800’s emplaced and 4 for tests. Twenty missiles. Add a Buyan-M small missile ship to the fleet each year. 8 emplaced Kalibr and two test launches. Ten. Same for a Karakurt. And a 636.3, only make that 4 emplaced and two test. Throw in one Yasen-M (!) and that’s 32 emplaced and 3 test, for 35. Add 48 missiles for a Bastion-P land based battery, and 60 toward a cumulative reload armory. Add 10 for use in Syria. That’s 200 missiles annually, which mates up with the Defense Minister statement that one quarter and the consistency in the defense budget.

Lone Ranger

The Kalibr can also launch frim mobile containers.
Cloaked as railway cars…
Or from cargo ships…
Real number of missiles and tubes is probably a lot higher than the official data.

Lone Ranger

Reports about operational jets in service lag s lil behind compared to reality.
U.S. oftentimes states a higher than actual inventory while Russia a lower number.
The exact opposite.
Its a tradition I guess…
I doubt the U.S. has thst many cruise missiles, could be tho.
But during the invasion of Lybia their stockpiles were almost exhausted, and they “only” fired a couple of hundred missiles.
There have been 3Yasens completed with another 6 under construction.
Russia also runs extensive refit programs on the Victor class and the Akula I-II-III classes…
Mig-31 numbers were indeed that much in 2017, now the refit program should have upgraded close to 200 in total with another 50 still waiting.
U.S. guided missile cruisers have kore cruise missiles onboard with the exception of the Kirov class, but all their cruise missiles are sub sonic…
So what’s worth more 100 subsonic or 10 hypersonic and 20 supersonic?
When it comes to taking out surface ships or coastal defenses super and hypersonic weapons have a clear advantage…

jack

Base on the problems,serious accidents,they are basically useless,in the eyes of Russians

AM Hants

Not just Russians. Do you remember when they held a massive NATO Exercise, with 30,000 and it finished with Norway writing off one of her frigates, allegedly under US training or control? Just after Russia held a little exercise, over in Siberia, with over 300,000 active, serving members of the Russian Forces, with Chinese attending, and one heck of a lot of toys.

Surprised NATO are so enthusiastic to display their inferiority. Funny, how one essential requirement for the Head of NATO, since the 90s, is to come from a nuclear disarmament activist position or nuclear free nation? With absolutely zero respect for mutually assured weapons of destructions or knowledge of the systems and their capabilities.

Jesus

I think there are limited numbers in service, they have missiles that are effective against hypersonic weapons, and since US lacks any attack hypersonic weapons, their introduction has been slow.
I referred to the S500 because the SM3 is hypersonic. It is possible that S400 can catch it with 48N6DM missile in the boost stage.

AM Hants

Isn’t the S-500 close to entering active service and this would be perfect to test her capabilities whilst she is still preparing for her debut?

Jesus

Russians have a way of introducing weapons without much fanfare.
I think they are in service in limited numbers.

AM Hants

Cheers, I was hoping that was the case. Wish them luck.

Tudor Miron

Ricky, I’m sure you know better than this. This two boats in Black Sea will sink faster than Joe is climbing the stairs of AF1.

Ricky Miller

So good to hear from you again. it’s been a long time. I do hope you’re right and you probably are. I’m playing devil’s advocate often around here lately because between all the reflexive cheerleading, someone has to do it. My concern isn’t a tactical one. The Harpoons on the destroyers are among the weaker versions of in service anti-ship missiles. But the ship bourne ABM defenses, as much as they are worthy of doubt, must be taken into consideration by Russian defense planners. And some between 25-30 of each Arleigh Burke’s 90-95 VLS cells are quad packed with short to medium range surface to air missiles. That’s 100-120 missiles per ship. Russia’s strategic deterrence confidence and posture, and maybe even Russia’s security in a strategic escalation is at stake, and based on some kind of race in overcoming a time critical frantic BSF assault on two ships, during a compressed time that if they aren’t sunk fast enough they could really present some element of a strategic problem.
Maybe it freaks me out more than it should. But I can’t dismiss their presence as a complete non-factor.

Tudor Miron

Thanks Ricky. All fine here, just the work load is immense. Came back from testing at Smolensk ring Sunday night and today I’m going for another testing event at Nigny Novgorod/N-ring circuit.
It’s good to read comments from you and many others when I have a spare minute. It’s sad to see that SF is more and more infested by various zio trolls.

jack

Great and correct post

cechas vodobenikov

one Poseidon torpedo from Russian sub will have US LGBT navy swimming to Alushta

jack

How can you forget the all mighty TRANS??? ha ha

Daniel Rich

@ Ricky Miller,

When the first salvo of the US navy goes after Russian missiles, the second wave of super/hypersonic missiles will go after US ships.

The US is good at kabuki. Lots of noise, but nothing new under the sun.

Ma_Laoshi

Except for tripwires being a thing. People talking of the “risk of a New Cold War” seem >5 years behind to me, but neither have we gone hot yet. So most moves are (partly) political thus far. Yes, Russia could sink those stupid ships; but there’s always tomorrow. If even one of them goes blub blub, even as a false flag, then the Dark Throne could completely freeze Russia out of the dollar, Iran-style, and let CENTCOM go apes on the tiny Russian intervention force in Khmeimim–plus no doubt all kinds of other nastiness I haven’t even thought about. Russia has officially stated that the Yanks are pretty much untouchable–just ask Lavrov. That gives USN ships an invisible anti-missile coating which Ukie ships most definitely lack.

I’m not even claiming that Russia is weak or anything, this works both ways. By just counting the firepower of Russia’s Venezuela task force, they’d seem useless against what Uncle Sam could muster in his own back yard. And yet, those Russki’s (a couple dozen?) affected Trump’s calculus about democratizing the place.

Proud Hindu

Russia should chose its allies and enemies wisely if it wants t stay relevant.Dancing around in circles won’t be beneficial.Either you are with China Iran Pakistan or you are with US Israel Europe India. There’s no in between.It should also stop trying to interfere in Europe.

ELPuerco

The Joker…what a troll you are…

Ilya Grushevskiy

India is pretty in-between – buys Russian military hardware quite a lot. Just bought Sputnik V too.

The friends I have there are all pretty pro-Russian, even if they were educated in British public schools.

Proud Hindu

Ya but this feeling is slowly decreasing among patriot Indian Hindus like me(ignore the communist Indians on this forum).We never made deals with Russias enemies previously.But Russia started selling weapons to China pak knowing that these 2 rogue nations will harm us.So even we started buying American tech and helping US in containing China.

Ilya Grushevskiy

American tech is bad, and if one stereotype is correct about Indians in general, it’s that they don’t get tricked into buying overpriced, second rate goods!

I think India will remain pragmatic and not jump onto any bandwagons – it has enough population, land, and history to be a player on the world stage, so it will compete against China, Russia, the EU and US, and whoever else rises up on even terms.

(and Pakistanis speak Urdu – most of my expat Pakistani friends see it as a sad thing that the nation was partitioned through external games)

Proud Hindu

Partition happened because of Islam.

Jihadi Colin

Partition gradients because your Gujarati God Vallabbhai Patel said Pakistan wouldn’t survive anyway, so it should be given rather than having States under Muslim League rule.

As for being a “patriotic Hindu “, give me a break. Your RSS goons were abject slaves of the Brutish. Without you and Patel there would have been no partition.

Proud Hindu

Fk of muhammad rap!$t nones talking to you

Jihadi Colin

What does that even mean, Modifellating Bhaktonazi?

Proud Hindu

Are you an inbred like muhaMad ?

Jihadi Colin

As far as I can see, Modifellating Bhaktonazis can’t even answer questions. Because they have neither education, nor intellect, nor of course physical or moral courage.

Ideal Modi voters, in other words.

And keeping repeating Muhammad makes no difference to me, so you’re wasting your time.

cechas vodobenikov

dalit bred by bacon blyat

Ilya Grushevskiy

Nah, Islam had been around for a millenium (yes – I am Buddhist – there had been problems like the sacking of Nalanda), but it was the Anglos who bred sectarian violence. They play the same strategy through time – look at Ukranians v Russians.

India now has 200 million Muslims, relatively speaking the Indian population coexists reasonably well. Pakistan would have been the same without the colonialists.

Jihadi Colin

Don’t bother trying to educate the Hindunazi troll. It’s like trying to educate a SturmAbteilung thug, because the Hindunazis very closely modelled themselves on the SA.

Ilya Grushevskiy

Hah, I’m a sucker for punishment! :p

Jihadi Colin

A lot of Indians also speak Urdu, Punjabi and Sindhi, the most common Pakistani languages. Until 1971 the most common by population Pakistani language was Bengali, which is also the second most spoken Indian language.

Ronald

Bengali is a dialect of Hindi.

Jihadi Colin

What?

I’m Bengali and I can absolutely guarantee you that it’s not a dialect of Hindi. I can speak both languages fluently, so I should know.

Anti_Globalista

Euro-Asia belong to Euro-Asians. Anybody being agent of Anglo-losers on Asian continent is on the losing side – period.

Ricky Miller

Yeah, and if the world changed and Russia and China were eliminated as “threats,” you’d be next. Especially as India grows, and becomes stronger, the USA Empire would treat India like they treat China today. You would be accused of running death camps in Kashmir, and would be found guilty in Western MSM, regardless of the lack of proof. Your Caste system would be found to violate human rights, and a BLM style movement would be created in Washington and ran through the U.S. Embassy in order to fragment and weaken your society.
Or did you miss the part about an American Destroyer sailing through India’s EEZ this past week, and the U.S. Navy bragging about their “freedom of navigation” operation targeting India, based on American interpretation of the LOS, that they aren’t even a member of?

cechas vodobenikov

decreasing brain cells; dalit only speaks for lowest irrelevant ghetto dwellers

Me&Myself None

There is no issue with a country trying to be friendly with everyone, the issue is how it is being done by Russia. They want to be closer to China and Iran while at the same time they tried to help Trump usurp power in the US; a Trump who vehemently hates both China and Iran. They want closer relation with Iran, while turning a blind eye to the Zion colonialist occupiers of Palestine aggressions against Iran. They call Syria a close ally while doing the absolute minimum to help it out of the quagmire that it currently finds itself. They want close relationship with Turkey, while there is absolutely no indication that Turkey wants that. I can go on, and on, and on….

cechas vodobenikov

multi-personality disordered “none”the CIA nobody repeats delusional trump derangement syndrome diseased lies

Ricky Miller

India is soon to be sanctioned by the United States. And will face new tariffs too, based on the new rules based economic order designed to benefit Europe and North America the most. Like the Imperial possession India’s government wants to become, you’ll soon be put over Uncle Sam’s knee and taught to act right. If China and Russia are forced into submission, there will be UN peacekeepers in Kashmir within a decade. Kashmir will become your Kosovo.
I hope you enjoyed the uninvited visit from the American Destroyer to Indian waters last week. The U.S. Navy sure loved bragging about it. There will be a whole lot more. It’ll be what you’ve earned, turning your back on the anti-colonial and non-aligned movement will someday soon make India a Western Colony, again. It’ll be different yet somehow the same. Good Eats.

Jesus

Where do you get the idea that India is with US?

<>

Well said.

cechas vodobenikov

Dalit ally–LSD

Proud Hindu

Since you Mu$lims continue harming innocent Hindus, karma will str!ke you @$$ho£es hard.

7000 mu$lims dispatched 2 h€££ in 2015 Mecca stampede

Band Itkoitko

One of the best views on that topic is:

https://thesaker.is/why-it-is-not-advised/

Pave Way IV

Us Americans are a little slow on the uptake. Nobody is even going to notice our provocations in the Black Sea until CNN and the NYT announces: Russia’s Defender North America will kick off next week with nuclear-capable Russian aircraft, missile cruisers and subs in the Gulf of Mexico. Only then will there be any hand-wringing and pants-pissing in Washington.

AM Hants

There is allegedly a ‘false flag’ due, which will try and blame everything of Russia. Wish them luck.

ELPuerco

India-Russia friendship is too pragmatic for US and China to ruin it

Lone Ranger

I hope their training and gear is at least as high tech and professional as it was in 2008 in Georgia.
If thats the case Russia will be faster in Kiev than zellersky on its way home…

Jihadi Colin

I suspect that there will be a few days of intense missile barrages to take out Ukranazi command and control centres, communication lines, and armour concentrations, before the tanks actually roll over the border.

HiaNd

The only (light) tanks and IFV’s that count will be parachuted together with many thousands paratroopers “VDV” on Odessa and along the Black sea coastline
Russian aviation will dominate the sky and Russian navy the sea almost immediately.
The Russian attack will not be about massive thousands of tanks (Soviet style) invasion but about the speed of execution and precision

Cromwell

Those troop landing ships could come in handy if Russia has to take the whole coastline,and i wouldn’t rule that out,otherwise the Nazis in Kiev will allow Nato to build a base in Mariupol.

HiaNd

Black sea fleet is essential in taking over the entire Black sea coast and protecting it.

AM Hants

Russian Air Defence Systems and I wonder if they will use the S-500, in order to give her a few exercises, prior to her reaching active service?

I wonder if Russia will close down the airspace, via her rather marvellous missile defence systems? Plus, electrical jammers, will no doubt be even better than they were back in 2014, when the sailors of USS Donald Cooke were running out of NATO strength Pampers and resigning on mass. All Russia had to show them was a whicker basket.

Jihadi Colin

That Donald Cook thing is a myth. It is time it was put to rest. Nobody resigned or deserted, and the ship ran for cover because it was painted by Russian missile targeting radars in Crimea, not because of a couple of SU 24 overflights.

As for the rest, the S500 as far as I’m aware will only enter service either at the end of this year or early next year. The S400 should finally be given a chance to prove itself, though.

AM Hants

Vicky Nuland was whinging, whining and a crying that Russia was being so beastly to her sailors in the Black Sea. Not something the State Department would come out with, if it was a myth, now is it?

Let us go back in time.

1 hour and 24 minutes into the following video and you can see how the USS Donald Cook reacted to Bastion. Who was doing no more than smiling down with a welcoming grin, on the Destroyer. That was 7 years ago, and Bastion no doubt has a few friends for company, to greet those NATO member nations send to embarrass themselves.

Crimea The Way Home EN Subtitles Full Documentary HD…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGhKfWrfOQ

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So you are saying that this did not happen? Really?????

Clash : Russian fighter jet buzzes USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea amid Tension…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=endSON41o0w

Pentagon Protests Russian Jet Buzzing Antimissile Ship in Black Sea

‘…The Pentagon on Monday criticized a Russian jet’s repeated buzzing of a U.S. antimissile ship sailing in international waters in the Black Sea.

The action happened on Sunday and involved a nuclear-capable — but unarmed — Su-24 fighter aircraft that made a total of 12 flying passes close to the Aegis-equipped USS Donald Cook while it conducted patrol operations in the western Black Sea, the Defense Department told reporters.

“The aircraft did not respond to multiple queries and warnings from Donald Cook, and the event ended without incident after approximately 90 minutes,” department spokesman Army Col. Steve Warren was quoted as saying in a Pentagon press story. “This provocative and unprofessional Russian action is inconsistent with international protocols and previous agreements on the professional interaction between our militaries.”

A second Su-24 accompanied the first Russian fighter jet but did not make any passes, Warren said…’. https://www.nti.org/gsn/article/pentagon-protests-russian-jets-buzzing-antimissile-warship-black-sea/
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What spooked the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?

VOLTAIRE NETWORK | 8 NOVEMBER 2014

‘…The State Department acknowledged that the crew of the destroyer USS Donald Cook has been gravely demoralized ever since their vessel was flown over in the Black Sea by a Russian Sukhoi-24 (Su-24) fighter jet which carried neither bombs nor missiles but only an electronic warfare device…’. https://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html

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How Russians Kicked Out Intruding US From The Black Sea Theater…

‘…We know, since the incident of the USS Donald Cook in the Black Sea on the 12th April 2014, that the Russian Air Force has at its disposition a weapon which enables it to jam all radars, all control circuits, all systems for the transmission of information, etc. . Since the beginning of its military deployment, Russia had installed a jamming centre at Hmeymim, to the North of Latakia.

Then, suddenly, the USS Donald Cook incident occurred, but this time within a perimeter of 300 kilometres – which includes the NATO base at Incirlik (Turkey). And this is still going on. Because the event happened during a sand-storm of historical proportions, the Pentagon first thought its measuring equipment had malfunctioned, but then discovered that it had been jammed. Completely.

Modern conventional warfare is based on what is known as « C4i » – an acronym which corresponds to the English terms « Command », « Control », « Communications », « Computer » and « intelligence ». The satellites, planes and drones, ships and submarines, tanks and now even the combatants themselves, are all connected to one another by a system of permanent communication, which enables the Chiefs of Staff to oversee and command the fighting more efficiently. It is this entire system – NATO’s nervous system – which is presently jammed in Syria and part of Turkey…’

https://www.modernghana.com/news/650436/how-russians-kicked-out-intruding-us-from-the-black-sea-thea.html
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This is what NATO Member Squaddies are being sent to defend and ironically in a non-NATO nation.

Welcome to Nulandistan: US-Supported Ukrainian Democrats at Work

…. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1tpx0w

US Criminal Government: US-ICBI-CIA-BLACKWATER Oppose Donetsk-Lugansk Sovereign States…. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1vuftx

(Larry Diamond Videos, the representative/member of Council of Foreign Relations who work closely with NED/International Development USAID. How much does $oro$ receive from USAID?). NED is meant to be the CIA Arm of regime change. They took over from the CIA, over in Hong Kong, in the 90s, when the CIA were kicked out, owing to their dodgy dealings. Larry Diamond videos, rely heavily on promoting propaganda and emotional manipulation. Remember, Bell Pottinger receiving over $500 million, from the Pentagon, in order to use propaganda and emotional manipulation, to push the Iraq War).

Ukraine Crisis – What You’re Not Being Told…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw

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With regards the S-500, she might not be in active service yet, but, surely when bringing her upto speed they put her through many exercises? Isn’t she at that stage at the moment and so to use her, if the US and NATO decide it will be a good idea to take on Russia, will give Russia the ability to see what needs tweaking, on the weapon system? Out of curiosity, would the Turkish Base that the US uses, to store their nukes, be within the radius of the Russian top-end of the scale, weapon defence systems? Now that would seriously be interesting and no doubt also comical, if Russia had the power to cause problems from any US interference, coming from that particular base.

Jihadi Colin

The jet buzzing had nothing to do with the Donald Cook returning to base. Even Martyanov admits that.

AM Hants

What the whicker basket, hanging from the jet, full of wonderful Russian electrical jamming equipment, had nothing to do with leaving the Donald Cook isolated in the Black Sea, with zero power? Yep, I guess you are right and it was no doubt owing to the Sailors not being trained to use the control panel, which left them without electricity, around the same time as the whicker basket zoomed past.

Believe what you want, but, videos of it and plenty of articles related to the subject. Same with the USS Aircraft Carrier, which got zapped by the Russian submarine, when it got too close to Khaliningrad. It had to limp into the UK, pop into Portsmouth, and report to UK Naval HQ, before continuing her journey for some Naval healthcare at the Davonport Naval Base.

Zap,zap, zap, little April Showers. So what are they planning for round 3, as the USS Donald Cook returns to the Black Sea, for her regular April outing?

jack

and white flags everywhere

Band Itkoitko

It’s substantially better and improving even further.

Lone Ranger

We can only hope 😊

Assad must stay

i cant wait to read/hear that zelensky got blown away hahahahahaha

Ivan Freely

Zelensky is just a puppet. But his passing would send an adequate message to his benefactors.

jack

he is part of the long noses

BMWA1

I think Ru and Ossetian (militia) forces in South Ossetia in 8/8/8 were about 1400 in total, were not esp. well-equipped nor were these elite forces of any kind, merely the ordinary guys with working but not new equipment. They just did the job well and were well-led, this took many by surprise, esp. given their small numbers…it is same in Krim and Syria, really these are small-scale operations that are low-cost…no ruble printing presses of the USD type are available to support large-scale operations..

In Donbass now, there have been reports of GPS non-functionality…this is probably the Ru EW capability at work to remove targeting and intelligence (read USN destroyers) capabilities ATO/HATO.

Daniel Rich

@ Lone Ranger,

I hope their training and gear is at least as high tech and professional as it was in 2008 in Georgia.”

Russia shot down 2 of its own planes [2008], which let to the restructure of C&C and upgraded weapon systems. According to Russians in the know, Russia will do everything within its power not to make the first move, but when attacked will destroy most, if not all, of the western forces in the Ukraine, and, if necessary, beyond.

1 look at the Syrian ToO tells me all I need to know about the state of Russian military capabilities and its armament.

Lone Ranger

Indeed.
They are far superior anything the west has.
They didn’t shot down their own planes by the way, Georgia had advanced TOR and BUK systems.
Non the less Russia prevailed eventho U.S. spec ops were embedded with Georgian troops and they had gear and advisers as well.
So instead of 24 hours they lasted a whole 5days :)

AM Hants

Didn’t Saakashvili beg for a ceasefire, just 3 hours after a Russian escort home?
30,000 NATO Forces and their stilettos and Rainbow Flags, turn up for Exercise Defender. Russia, has a military exercise and 300,000 turn up. Things are going to get interesting.

Lone Ranger

Indeed.
NATO trolls will be turned into tuna kitten food if they keep pushing.

AM Hants

Their leaders will be safe and out of it all and receiving their bonuses from MIC. Do the NATO trolls, including 77th Squadron, Bell-End-Crap, General Harding’s Porn Squad, Integrity Initiative, Statecraft, Open Information Partnership and friends stay stuck behind their computers rather than belng allowed to man the exercises? Or is it just the 18 year old, who has recently signed up to serve their nation, sent to the cauldrons?

Tommy Jensen

The United States are prepared to defend its Allies in the Black Nato Sea against certain countries who thinks they own the planet and are above the International Rules based Order.

Anti_Globalista

WTF is “International Rules Based Order”? Are those rules allow to foment orange revolutions, and cause trouble all around the world?

Jihadi Colin

I think he’s being sarcastic.

Tommy Jensen

“rules-based international order[1] or the US-led liberal international order)[2] describes a set of global, rule-based, structured relationships based on political liberalism, economic liberalism and liberal globalism.
More specifically, it entails international cooperation through multilateral institutions like the UN and WTO, and is constituted by human equality (freedom, rule of law and human rights), open markets, security cooperation, and promotion of liberal democracy.[3][4]
The order was established in the aftermath of World War II, led in large part by the US”.

FlorianGeyer

Will that be another US Blue on Blue attack then, Tommy?

Tommy Jensen

In a liberal democracy we cant avoid incidents like that. Its simply a part of freedom! comment image

FlorianGeyer

Neo Liberals ( Bolshevik’s) past and present do seem to be missing the Common Sense gene, but this is compensated for with their hyperactive anus’s, where they spend most of their leisure time.

cechas vodobenikov

with Tommy canoe in Black Sea and 2 Apache’s w bow/arrow amerika cannot protect from looting and arson in US cities….LOL

Tommy Jensen

Looting and arson are part of natural disagreements in a democracy. At least we are not making Gulag and Uighur genocide camps as certain other dictatorship regimes.

James

The United States are prepared to sacrifice its Allies in the Black
Sea against certain countries who want to defend the planet and preserve the International Rules.

Proud Hindu

15 muslims dead in India’s Hyderabad in accident

John Wallace

Stick to your day job ..This site is about international affairs, not reporting accidents of a regular nature.comment image Proud Hindu at his day job.

Kenny Jones ™

D-day

Rhodium 10

It doesnt matter if US send weapons or 2 warship there!…in case of war many Ukraine military officers and comanders will defect like in Crimea….they dont want to serve as a NATO Guinea Pigs to protect a NAZI MAIDAN Regime which are not part of UE and NATO…

Steve Standley

Southfront: Correct you title. It’s not “plains”. It’s “planes”. These are two different things.

John Wallace

I thought they might have meant the planes weren’t in camo so they were plain planes. SF are forever making English mistakes but at least they don’t have Jens doing the reports..

Steve Standley

LOL. To their credit, they corrected it.

ulzimun

Russia has a base in Kamchatka peninsula and a considerable naval force with subs and warships. It that thing in Europe spirals out of control, then it will spill over in Asia. China has Taiwan to unify and NK has korea south unify. No clue how many subs are parked off the coast of US.

Blas de Lezo

Putin has shown weakness by allowing himself to be pushed around in Syria by the welfare funded, banana republic of Israel. Now NATO will push him around too.

Lone Ranger

Like in Georgia…?
Oh wait…
U.S. lost in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan…

Blas de Lezo

There are US bases in all those countries, they will be there for a very long time and there’s nothing anybody can do about it.

Lone Ranger

They are duds.
They cant even go out without being hit.
In fact even their bases get hit on a weekly basis.
They can stay and enjoy as long ad they want…

Blas de Lezo

They will stay as long as they want.. The big Jews don’t care about casualties or cost. Just look at how easily they can destroy such a secure place like Natanz.

Lone Ranger

Well they said the same about Vietnam, but once the losses reach a critical level, once grunts start to frag their own superiors, things can take a drastic change.
It wasn’t destroyed.
They had a power blackout.
Can be easily done with a cruise missile and an EMP warhead.
Or simple sabotage.

Blas de Lezo

The big Jews will continue to push buttons until war breaks out just like with Iraq.

cechas vodobenikov

no evidence Natanz “destroyed”

cechas vodobenikov

bases where the LGBT soldiers are afraid to leave fortresses…spending money to further impoverish their ghettos while US cites are now decrepit ghost towns

ulzimun

Russia has a base in Kamchatka peninsula and a considerable naval force with subs and warships in the Pacific. It that thing in Europe spirals out of control, then it will spill over in Asia. China has Taiwan to unify and NK has south korea to unify. Wonder what US is thinking, but US will be very busy. Bet many subs from China, Russia and NK are already parked off the coast of US.

Lone Ranger

They dont need many.
The new Belgorod class is an Oscar class mod/refit.
It can cary the Status 6 minisub/torpedo.
Its the most powerful weapon ever created with a yield of around 600MT, just two of these torpedos could wipe out the east coast.

ulzimun

True. they don’t need many. A Borei class carries about 16 SLBMs with each carrying 10 warheads. So one Borei class sub carries 160 warheads. One might be sufficient to vaporize the whole US continent.

jack

and the crew enjoying the Chinatown,all over uSA

John Tosh

My Concern over Ukraine

The CIA wants Russia to go to war with Ukraine, this is supposed to tie Russia down while the CIA faces China and Iran. While Ukraine will get new weapons from the USA, no American boots will defend Ukraine.

Russia can crush Ukraine within a few months but Russia will suffer substantial damage to its reputation and standing in Europe. The Nordstream pipelines may be damaged and remain un-completed. However Russia May secure its borders away from NATO.

There are pros and cons for Russia and the USA. Ukraine will gain nothing except a few obsolete military equipment from the USA.

The problem is this could cause the USA to be nuked directly instead of dealing with the CIA’s roaches (Ukraine, Poland etc)

If the USA gets nuked say Langley Virginia where the administrative center of the CIA is wiped out, the country will be in such shock nothing can be done. The US economy will collapse. There will be widespread rioting and looting, the US military will be unable to mobilize its forces for an overseas fight.

US bases in the Middle East in Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc will be attacked by enemies who become emboldened. North Korea will take on South Korea and wipe out the capital of South Korea. Europe will realize the USA is spread so thin it cannot defend anyone nor itself hence Europe will sign a deal with Russia. China will finally fix the Taiwan issue permanently.

Continues.,,,.,

Aleks Noir

simplistic nonsense.

Ukraine is a trap for Russia because as you pointed out, the cost of rooting out homicidal Ukrainians can be substantial.

Nuking United States, or Russia would simply end the world, and no one is interested in that game.

Biden is an extremely weak leader, and it is possible for Russia to challenge US nato interests directly in Ukraine, at the same time as china acts in Taiwan, with a simultaneous crisis in North Korea.

Even now, US could not mobilize a sufficient military force to dissuade Russia or China on their borders.

With respect to US bases in the middle east coming under attack, its a bit moot in the context of a nuclear war, dont ya think?

John Tosh

The morons at the Central Intelligence Agency believe they will start a war far far away and the war would stay there! Little Island Japan attacked the USA a few decades ago for the same reason. The reason being you have to attack the mother of the monster or she will keep producing more and more problems for you.

You have the capability to turn Langley Virginia into radioactive dust in 30 mins why would you waste your time on some little NAZI hot head in Ukraine???

Langley and the group of idiots called the Central intelligence agency will never learn. Some creatures never learn from mistakes… your fat asses where kicked in Syria, you still send your silly stupid agents all over to create problems. My suggestion is DIE WELL!

Jens Holm

It wasnt like that. Japan continued its expansion after making Manchuko.

Others then USA didnt like that. Japan was in direct with Russia before that too. That where the socalled Sibirian troops came from to rescue Moscow as well as Stalingrad.

Dont You have historybooks or at least calnders for it.

The counterweight for that was USA boycut of needed trade with USA but also others, which didnt like the Japanese expansion. That was Brits, French, Dutchs and of course Chan Kai Shek as well as chairman Mao.

There was no USA expanjsion as well. TYhe only troops USA had was the ones helping Philipines finally getting rid of USA after USA took it from Spain.

The main problem for the philipines was that the freedom lovers only was half of the population and they only has 1/3 of the land. By that USA educated Philipines to troops against philipines as well as police and administration.

UKRAINE is not like that at all. in 1991 it was defined by borders made by USSR itself. That was the rioters and Russia dont respect.

But unfortunatly those borders should be adjusted.

Here none of them accept fair elections. Russia even has given 400.000 Russian-Russians in Ukraine Russian pasport. Is that a friendly massage. I dont think so.

Kiev is not better, but i also dont see them as worse. Their way of behaving and tinking is made by Bolsjevisme of the worst kind including corruption semilar to the one in Russia of today.

John Tosh

You are either confused or trying to confuse. I am right. Take out Langley and the CIA and the USA burns from inside. CIA has infected the whole USA!

Jens Holm

There we go again.

CIA wasnt made before 1947 as well as CIA dont operate in USA because FBI does.

And no CIA has not infected the whole USA. They do have problems but they are correcting it right now after some scandals.

CIA for some time has not worked well fro USA. They never has been against USA moron.

John Tosh

They do not follow the rules. After September 11th terror attack the CIA crossed lines. They operate within the USA. It’s called a lawless society which a fake Western media tries to make it into a lawful society.

cechas vodobenikov

the cost of any war with Ukraine, negligible; most Ukraine soldiers will defect to Russia

cechas vodobenikov

CIA may be morons but they do create much suffering

John Tosh

Rats and roaches create much suffering like the Bubonic plague!

Ma_Laoshi

Hm. The military experts who gloat “The Yanks are shitting their pants now that the Bear has bared its teeth” are exactly the same ones who confidently said similar stuff at the start of Russia’s Syria mission. Soiled pants or not, those Yanks then fortified their bases, drew red lines around them, and mobilized the NATO fleet. The same experts turned out to be quite adept at describing Putin’s subsequent back-pedaling as yet another masterstroke. Whatever is said by this or that party, this is not over until Kiev stands down its troops–the Dark Throne does not like to take “no” for an answer. Then again, in the Donbass we’re talking about Russian citizens not Arabs, and this is Russia’s own backyard not CENTCOM’s playground; Washington could miscalculate dearly.

I have to admit to watching it all with a perverse fascination: Moscow is offering Kiev COVID vaccines; Washington is proposing glorious suicide to them, not to mention that Ukraine’s gold seems to have flown that way on little wings. And yet, Official Kiev is solidly in the latter’s camp. US statecraft may destroy rather than create, but at least they pretty good at it.

Lone Ranger

U.S. lost in Syria tho, same as in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Those red kine are nothing more than safe space and window dressing around their tiny bases.
If ukropnazis or ciafaglets try something dumb they will meet the same fate as georgians in 2008.
Remind me please how long they lasted?
Was it 4 days or 5?
Now Russia had another 13 years to upgrade…

Ma_Laoshi

The US did not lose in Syria–and neither did it win; what we have is a messy stalemate. Russia is stuck with a mini-Syria client it can’t afford it rebuild, and which cannot rebuild itself without control over its oil. Because this mini-Syria doesn’t really control any of its borders, the Dark Throne can dial the headchopper mayhem up or down as it pleases. The IAF pisses on the vaunted S-300 from 50000ft as Putin impotently begs his “friend” Bibi to cool it. Yes the American position there has its own limitations, but those matter less if the only ambitions are to block and destroy.

I think about Ukraine, you and me are closer together than your words suggest. Yes, if Ukies and Russki’s were to go at each other just by themselves, odds are it’d go as you suggest. And that’s exactly why Uncle Sam shows up, trying to create political reasons for Russia to desist from such a course.

I just can’t forget the run-up to the Idlib offensive by the SAA and Russia; around 2018 I guess. The whole “patriotic” chorus cheered that Russia is stronk, “the outcome is not in doubt”. Well, Idlibstan is still there, and the Russians are “monitoring” the jihadists they promised to destroy.

cechas vodobenikov

barbarian prefer that all civilians be murdered in IDLIB

Lone Ranger

Disney called they want you back…

Ronnie&MargaretInDementia

there are a few sane heads left in the military, whether dopey joe listens or not is a different thing, he’s senile but not in the good Regan way.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/facing-the-facts-of-war-with-russia/

Tommy Jensen

“….a major war in Eastern Europe would expose not only serious vulnerabilities in the U.S. armed forces, but the fragility of American society”.

Thats exactly why we should be doing it……..enter into a war against Russia in Ukraine!

Why? Because it would strengthen the American society and make all Americans feel they are Americans and we are all in the same soup.
Plus it would quickly close the holes and vulnerabilities in our US armed forces, and thus smash 3 eggs with 1 hammer…………………………….LOL.

Duck

And, what’s the plan for you and your oligarchs Mr. Putin? None? So, lately, nothing has changed in the Russian cower-dise! You seem to be quite confident that your new (actually by now longstanding) brothers and allies the Azerbaijani fundamentalists, the Croatian nazis and the Turkish Ottomans will be quite able and up to the task to protect you from the three sides of the world. And for the protection from the north you’ll take charge yourself? Good luck to all of you! But please our “brothers” in Russia do not bother to help the orthodox Serbs and Armenians any more. We are now and forever will be much better off without you.

Pictures:
1. Luke 2:25 “They were delighted and agreed to give him money”.
2. They lied to us, he drowned.
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Fog of War

Putin looks, demoralized, like someone who would rather be somewhere else.
The Khazar in the hat looks like his minder making sure he does what hes told.
Finally, the Khazar in the small hat looks like hes telling Putin where to go using his finger, a diplomatic faux pas , especially to a world leader.

Notice the total lack of smiles.

cechas vodobenikov

fake foggy amerikans smile…..not civilized peoples

Dick Von Dast'Ard

The military confrontation between Russia and Nato (through it’s proxy Kiev-UAF) led to a humiliating defeat of the West in 2014, now they appear to want yet another drubbing.

cechas vodobenikov

in a war with Georgia Ukraine would be humiliated–in a conflict w Russia Ukraine soldiers will defect to Russia, except nazi–azov, praviya cektor, swoboda (they will all flee to Canada and Chicago) and ze will declare lvov a colony of Poland and become mayor

James

For the offer of a warm meal and bed they will defect to the Donbass, let alone Russia!

AM Hants

What is it with USS Donald Cook and the Black Sea? Has it not learnt it’s lesson? Is it true that NATO and the US are planning a major ‘false flag’, in order to blame Russia? No doubt media are fully on board and prepared, just like they run the White Helmet scripts. Hopefully, Russia is fully aware of what is planned as they have stated the red lines have been crossed and they have no desire to wait for a ‘first strike’ or a ‘false flag’ scenario.

Band Itkoitko

I find it kind of interesting that Erdogan is also somewhat involved in this affair. He hangs around every event like a “testis.” I don’t see that as a very smart mode of action.

Ricky Miller

It won’t be USS “Donald Cook”, not this time. The United States Naval Institute website (usni.org) is reporting that the “Donald Cook” has been replaced at Rota, Spain by the USS Arleigh Burke. The Cook is headed back to Florida, as we speak.

Bruno Gama

Nice time to Russia throw Turkey under the bus. Is more than clear than Turkey is no friend of Russia. Russia should Wipe out the Terrorist in Idlib immediatly, if the Turkish terrorists are with them, they should be sent to hell also. Selling S-400 to Turkey was the dumbiest move of Putin in Years, unless, the S-400 are intentionally modified… in which case it will be a Trojan Horse for Nato.

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