Russian Military Strikes Area Of Su-25 Downing. At Least 30 Militants Killed

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The Russian Aerospace Forces have conducted “a massive precision weapon strike” on positions of Hayat Tahrir al-Sham in the area close to the Su-25 downing site, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. The ministry added that at least 30 militants were killed in the attack.

“A group strike using precision weapons has been conducted in the area controlled by the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group [Hayat Tahrir al-Sham] in Idlib province, from where the missile was launched against the [downed] Russian Su-25 airplane. According to radio intercepts, as a result of the strike, more than 30 militants of Jabhat al-Nusra were destroyed,” the ministry said.

Earlier on January 3, the militant forces led by Hayat Tahrir al-Sham downed a Russian Su-25 warplane with a MANPAD over the village of Khan al-Sabil southwest of the city of Saraqib in southeastern Idlib. The pilot ejected but was killed by militants.

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Michał Hunicz
Very well done! But I think still not enough, let’s make few Tu-160 runs!
- Huzbin Farteen
  you missing stinky Su-25? maybe Russian pilot crash because too drunk again? hahahaha
  - Assad must stay (gr8rambino)
    Shouldn’t you be among the dead?
    - Huzbin Farteen
      dead like drunken russian pilot? hahaha
      - Assad must stay (gr8rambino)
        No, dead like burnt ugly hideous jihadi corpse dead
      - Huzbin Farteen
        everybody know Assad like for wife to put on strapon and fkkk him in a$$. why do Assad like this disgusting thing?
      - Omega
        You should keep your fetish to your self.
        It’s not halal to share them. :-)
      - Feudalism Victory
        Aww the jihadi is butt hurt so he says mean things.
        Boo hoo hoo.
      - James
        I think you are talking about ur daddy and his goat, thats why you turned out to be so ugly!
      - Nuno Esteves
        Because his wife is gorgeous…
      - Steve Bell
        ? You seem confused… perhaps thinking of your handler in Tel Aviv.
      - Joe
        At least Assad is smart to Fkkk on Earth
        You like yours with 72 old virgins I guess
      - R3mba
        ohh boy we will fuckk your dead children in front of your poked out eyes..
      - Manuel Flores Escobar
        hhahah for each Russian pilot dead…1000 terrorist dead…keep laughing until SAA troops enter in Idlib capital and all terrorist there have the same fate as their cousins ( ISIS) in east Syria!
      - Huzbin Farteen
        Russia plane too sh*tty. Russia pilot too drunk. so funny! hahaha
      - Goran Grubić HardyVeles
        All you guys basically told the truth,excluding Assad’s sex preferences, (I’m really not competent on that topic): Su-25 is shitty, old plane, pilot probably was “a bit high”, and you Huzbin should be among the dead. However, I like your spirit :) so, let have you as spirit :) ahahahaha
      - 888mladen .
        You are drunk with the hatred to the point you hate yourself. The state of your mind is pitiful.
      - TRUTHORELSE
        He is a troll. Ignore him
      - TRUTHORELSE
        TROLL!
    - Daniel Martin
      Don’t worry mate, he will be by the end of the day, he’s name is on the evening hit list of the RUAF.
    - Valery Grigoryev
      Not now, while I’m sure he shall be soon.
    - MH370
      let him laugh as much as he likes and we’ll see he is laughing again when been kick out from all along M5 highway. that will be entertaining.
  - Dimitris Tsagiannidis
    “farteen”….enough said.
  - AM Hants
    30 down and 1 up and that is for starters. RIP to the Russian pilot and deepest sympathy to his loved ones and family.
    He will gain his angel wings, as your mates find a nice, hot fire waiting for them.
  - Ariel Cohen
    Still farteen through your mouth again Huzbin . ..
  - Samantha Smith
    We have a troll here…Hahaha love the nickname you gave yourself thou… Whose Been farting… So tell me do you like the smell of your own farts?
    - Bob
      It strongly suggests a juvenile hasbara troll – using ‘Farteen’ as a avatar.
  - Robert Duran
    idiot
  - Nigel Maund
    Pity you weren’t killed in the strike!
  - Bob
    ‘Farteen’ – your choice of trolling hasbara avatar provides an insight into your mindset, presumably you thought that amusing choice in very juvenile way, Farteen.
  - R3mba
    go fuck your tikfir pal and blow your self up…
- Superfly
  Russia needs to turn Idlib into a quarry pit and kill every thing in the terrorist regions. Enough is enough,
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Dušan Mirić
Come on! It’s a fairytale. Why now?Why not before the plane was shoot.
- christianblood
  Very good point, indeed! Why give chance to these murderous barbarians? Why not annihilate them months ago after Aleppo was liberated?
- PZIVJ
  Not at all a fairy tale.
  Prepare for news of cruise missile strikes also.
  The Jihadist will pay dearly. Good news :)
  - Terra Cotta Woolpuller
    This was a cruise missile strike after the videos appeared around the site of the crash they sent Kalibre strikes last was over an hour ago and this is the one that hit the site.
  - FlorianGeyer
    Sea launched missiles have been fired now PZ1V :)
  - You can call me Al
    Are you clairvoyant ?
    https://muraselon.com/en/2018/02/breaking-russian-navy-fires-cruise-missiles-hts-sites-idlib-countryside-su-25-downed/
    Karma
    - AM Hants
      They aren’t messing around. Do you remember when President Putin said when announcing Russian withdrawals?
      ‘…Putin also warned that should terrorists attempt to “rear their heads” in Syria again, Russia will strike them as “they have never seen before.” Russia will continue to use Khmeimim Airbase and the Syrian port of Tartus, which provides technical support for the Russian Navy, while the Russian Reconciliation Center for Syria will also remain…’
      One thing with President Putin, if he says something, he always delivers. Guess lessons are never learnt, where CIA and friends are concerned.
    - Samantha Smith
      Cool! A missile strike within one hour and in the location of the downed jet too! So while the militants were dancing and singing and circling around the burning wreckage with their guns and hands in the air, waving them like they just don’t care, shouting Allahu Akbar a few thousand times like a broken record all of a sudden a couple of kalibre missiles landed in amongst them and whammo BBQ’ed Jihad’s. So right now the birds and wildlife are enjoying a tasty meal of al la human body nicely fried to a medium rare consistency served with a blood jus. Mmmmm tasty.
- Miran Gaćina
  I share your opinion…unfortunately, this sounds like kind of must-say-something statement
- Terra Cotta Woolpuller
  Nope ! The Russians launched Kalibre missiles at them well over an hour ago, the planes are fling at higher altitudes now, Jaish al-Nasr had the Manpads supplied to them by the US and not the Afrin YPG as alleged by many.
- Bane Obrenj
  Yes, exactly what I thought- they should kill those Goatfuckers before they destroyed the Plane, not after it…but I doubt that they really killed 30 of them, it’s a Story just to decrease and control embarrassing-Level. I’m all for Russia, but this endless War prolonging really became pathetic. Obviously Syrians are not capable, excepting Tigers, and that is far from enough- and Russians can not engage as much Troops as necessary, until the Elections at least. With such balance of Troops this can last for Decades- someone has to hit the bastards with full brutal Force, no more “Green-Buses-travel” to safety, nor Prisoners. That’s the only Way to finish this, and Russians don’t look like ready for such a full power Engagement.
- Omega
  Fairytale would imply it didn’t happen but it did.
  Now, whether Russia purposely let one of their Su-25 roam in low altitude – giving enough time for some US backed bearded goon with a MANPAD to press the red button – in order to strike back hard is a different story.
Jim Prendergast
Good. Move up the line.
Potato Potato
FSA fags will pay dearly.
Irebukeu
If the Syrians and Russians put too much pressure on the al qaeda they will be forced to deploy the white helmets and create some fake chemical weapons attacks. Trump is just waiting for a distraction from Mueller and has already drawn a red line. We are one fake chemical attack away from another American strike on Syria. Proceed with caution.
- so
  Yes, firing at an airport and missing all the runways. WINNING!
  - Irebukeu
    You make jokes but the American military does what it is told. Eventually it will be the evaporation of the Syrians air force not protected by Russia. The Americans are waiting for the Syrians to fight them. The Americans are IN YOUR HOUSE. What is your reaction to that?. This is not a time for laughing unless its a nervous ( I have no idea what to do) laugh This is not the time for jokes. Seriously, You cant fight America along with the jihadists they support. Don’t try it. Proceed with caution.
- AM Hants
  They are already trying that. No doubt using the fake videos, they shot last May, but, we weren’t meant to notice.
  Mattis is already screaming CWs, whilst admitting he has no idea who used them.
  - Irebukeu
    That worrys me more. He is preparing the way while claiming he cant prove anything. next they will act and brush off any demand for real evidence.
    - AM Hants
      Nobody believes them any more. Tried the same old story too many times.
      - Irebukeu
        James Mattis has? when? Are you Syrian?
TheSecular
Idlib, TIME’S UP!
Lupus
Don’t mess with the Ruskie bear! 💣
- Huzbin Farteen
  russkie is drunk and stupid and have very sh*tty airplane. so easy to destroy Su-25! hahaha
  - Lupus
    Shaddap goatfooker and go polish my shoes
  - Steve Bell
    Is that why your fat Jew leader kissed Putin’s butt last week and begged him to let the U.S. bomb Iran?
Hrky75
shit hitting the fan , predictably…
Tudor Miron
That’s only for starters. Rats should prepare for some more. A lot more!
Dr. Ronald Cutburth
Good news.
peter
Teroristic Nato and USA hand off from Syria!
leon mc pilibin
Just a little taste of what is to come for the zionist lackeys..They will regret upsetting the BEAR:
Alejandro Bonifacio
vengeance!!!!!!!!
Huzbin Farteen
all Russia lies. only truth is Russia lose Su-25. it is ok. Russian planes very sh*tty. no one misses these ones!
- Assad must stay (gr8rambino)
  im hoping the next bombing run gets u
- leon mc pilibin
  You are full of SHIT.
  - Huzbin Farteen
    everybody laugh at sh*tty Russsian plane and drunken pilot. so funny! hahaha
    - Jaime Galarza
      The west has created a new type of idiotic zombie/troll whose only utterance is “everybody laugh at sh*tty Russsian plane and drunken pilot. so funny! hahaha”
      - FlorianGeyer
        He is practising for his US Immigration Test Jaime :)
    - You can call me Al
      Today is 30-1 to the Russians. Later your loss will a be a lot higher.
      Vermin camel jockey.
  - 1691
    The best is to ignore the idiots.
- Valery Grigoryev
  Farting is your only ability, the goatfucker.
- Bru
  Waaoh, I admire that even your kind can evolve and say something else than “allah wakbar”.
Manuel Flores Escobar
It was a pilot error as he failed to drop flares and chaff flying low and knowing that these terrorist have manpads!
Dick Von Dast’Ard
The head of Al Qaeda in America, (AQIA Emir Mike Pompeo) well regret getting involved in delivering costs.
Assad must stay (gr8rambino)
I wish I were the one firing these kalibr missiles, god I’m jealous of the men and women who did it :)))
Manuel Flores Escobar
White helmets will have work hard tonight….
- FlorianGeyer
  They will have to go to ‘Make Up’ before they start acting Manuel.
- AM Hants
  Wonder how many White Helmets were taken out, in that strike?
  - 888mladen .
    I would say not enough.
Dick Von Dast’Ard
From footage seen, Su-25 was flying too casual over a high-threat environment. (regardless of whether takfiri had MANPAD’s or triple-A)
Dick Von Dast’Ard
One has to ask the question, with all the U.S. political infighting, (reaching a crescendo) was this U.S.backed takfiri group attempting to cause more trouble for the WH, than the Kremlin, by getting return retaliation? (playing for payback)
- You can call me Al
  I wouldn’t count it out. I am sure there is much that we do not know.
- Irebukeu
  HTS is not American backed. America is obviously trying to work the air flow mixture between fuel and air on the carburetor on this proxy war. America backs other groups, Not HTS. HTS is al Qaeda.
Rodney Loder
Putin has only himself to blame courting Salman next bloody thing he’ll be rubbing the orb after the sword dance, MbS has stated Putin is under the skirts of King Salman.
Suppling Imaging Manpads is without consequences MbS said to his captive sudienca at the Ritz Carlton, they passed on his boast, and paid his ransom , Putin is up for election it might not go as well as expected.
Either Putin supports Iran to end the war or its better for the Brotherhood to unleash a new cycle of anarchy, nothing would be worse than Islam being dominated by israel with Saudi Arabia as its proxy.
- Kira Binkley
  Trying to read between your lines, Rodney.
  - Rodney Loder
    Russian support is tapering over Turkey getting involved overtly, no need to worry the Christians wanting to support the Kurds that’s all, that will be rsisle overruled.
    Between the lines you will find, the movie, On the Beach, when after the bomb went off a people were left living Down under, but the radiation is spreading and they have an open entry speed car competition, some of the drivers seem to be deliberately driving too fast so they die doing what they love.
    As I told you before I’m a Romantic Utilitarian, Heinrich Steffen said, “true personalities become distant from each other, and appear to each other as Externals for the senses. They do not know each other as they are only as they appear.”
    For the bringer of Telepathic Marginalisation it could appear difficult for me to be an External, but I think it’s one of them things that maybe you have to suck it to see, that’s what I think anyway.
    - Kira Binkley
      But Rodney, can anyone, other than Allah/God, know anyone else as they are?
      - Rodney Loder
        I think knowing someone is them being you, so that’s desire, we can’t satisfy desire because we are the image of God/Allah and He satisfied desire by passing on His Self into image, and began accumulation, we can’t do that, so we only have ambition, like my ambition to be with you is not desire.
        Also God is everything as Pantheism and singular as Persona, this happened at the beginning when Reality was only a conceptual understanding within the capacity of rudimentary development, if you don’t say that the possible could be anything, we could travel at warp speed to the other side of the galaxy but we can’t, because possible is finite and compiled with rudimentary meanings that only pertain to substance, so you can see Persona and it’s causation eaisly in that Materialist perspective , well I can anyway.
        If I knew you then you would be me, that doesn’t stop me from trying.
      - Kira Binkley
        If the speed of light is the limiting velocity in the universe, then, Rodney, how do we get to know the future?
    - Kira Binkley
      Telepathic Marginalization? You are the Bringer?
      Oh, by the way, “suck” is not in my vocabulary. Not all the time, anyway.
      - Rodney Loder
        I couldn’t connect to your other two comments on al-Monitor, just kept getting page not found 404 message, will try later, maybe Allah is saying it’s time for my riding skills practice session, I wanted to comment about the bats that you informed me about, our little fruit bats should be arriving soon, they did last year, just a few not many, I wish you could be here to see them, I went swimming in Tallowa Dam on Sunday the Goannas own the turf there, and are everywhere really massive in size, it’s so good here Kira Binkley and I love you so much.
        Yep, I brought Telepathic Marginalisation to Earth, but it was usurped and sold as a future’s contract that became a revolution from above, the evil Pope John Paul used it to destroy our Civilization, not much can be done about it now though, I want my day in Court, the mistake the Christians made was that the derivatives they sold were encoded with my conformation which didn’t come about.
        So now they are faced with a Counter Revolution.
      - Kira Binkley
        You know, Rodney, (at least now you do) that the American military thought ISIS had come out of Syria in 2014 like “a bat out of hell”. Indeed, Brother Baghdadi is the “invisible sheikh”.
      - Rodney Loder
        I noticed that you were mentioning Salah al-Din before it reminded me of Salah al-Din al-Bitar who kicked off the Ba’athists Party and was assassinated for his troubles.
        That’s the thing friends of Brother Baghdadi rarely get wacked, because of the consequences.
        Not only is he the invisible Sheikh, he’s also the invisible Shield.
      - Kira Binkley
        So that’s why we are having news about Kurds!
        I would say Brother Baghdadi is ruthless, not cruel nor vicious. But only in regard to his enemies. Watch out, Douglas Feith!!
      - Rodney Loder
        Douglas Frith is only a bureaucrat, what I learned from the Confucian bureaucrats is that even when there right they are still wrong, as it turned out the utopianism that they believed in led to the 100 years of China’s humiliation, but to hold them accountable would be illogical.
        Because agreements caused the present and the present causes the future, weapons of mass destruction are therefore counterintuitive, as agreement is the opposite of appearance.
        So intuitive connections became a blight on Douglas Frith’s conscience.
        Allah must have reasoned when He blighted China that its better to make (P) Abraham’s Religion the object of the exercise.
        Suddam Hussain must be the same as the Eunuchs.
        Let Allah decide, that’s what we Salafists say, He decided Saddam was no good no good for nothing, because he is nothing nothing in our present now.
        Got to go dig up some dirt to grow some cauliflowers.
      - Kira Binkley
        Do you mean “confused” bureaucrats?
        They are only counter-intuitive if a species is not intent on self-destruction. And sometimes I’m not so sure about the Human Species, Homo Sapiens Sapiens. (Sapiens means “wise” and we need to say it twice to let it sink in. Which it doesn’t anyway.)
        Well, as you can see, I’m pretty depressed about humans today, Rodney.
        Douglas Feith is a psychopath. Perhaps the ICC will go easy on him. I won’t.
      - Kira Binkley
        Did you like Saddam, Rodney?
Xanatos
Downing a Su-25 is a shame. That’s one of the better ground attack planes in the war on any side
- Irebukeu
  These are the planes you expect to lose. All the high tech in the world cant save a carbon fiber feather flying through the air at 800KPH hitting an iron object coming the other way at 600 meters per second. In the American air force its the same with the A-10’s You just expect to lose them in battle.
EmilyEnso
Killed 30 militants?
That leaves at least another 970 to go.
And thats going soft on the terrorists,
May the brave Russian pilot RIP.
Sincere and very real regrets to his family from the UK.
Ma_Laoshi
All as expected. It feels good, and these jihadists will not be missed by the world at large. But the interests that supplied the MANPADs, with the express purpose of better killing Russian pilots, aren’t paying any price, as usual. Not sure if the pilot’s family considers Putin’s appeasement policies to be as “mature” as does the Kremlin.
Eskandar Black
I told you this would happen a few days ago when that bearded goat raper was posing a manpads the turks goatfuckers helped him capture from the kurds.
Real Anti-Racist Action
Russia has the F.O.A.B. right? The Father of all Bombs.
Russia should drop 2 of those and get a point across once and for all for Terrorist, Israel and NATO to stop fu*king.
After between 2,000 to 5,000 terrorist are killed within 2 minutes, the world will better understand that the age of getting away with funding terrorist as armies is over.
Case closed.
- PZIVJ
  It would be nice if that many terrorist would concentrate within 1 square KM.
  The rats are tactically spread out, even their convoys are small and separated by distance.
Baudouin Jérusalem
GOD BLESS RUSSIA. KILL THIS MUSLIM SCUM. RESPECT FOR RuAF !
Superfly
Russia has over 4000 active military aircraft and needs to activate more air bases in Syria, declare the air space a NO FLY ZONE for all hostile aircraft and turn the headchoppers into an inferno. If Russia for some reason is hesitant than transfer the S-400 to Hezbollah and arm Iran with 300 new frontline fighters and watch the balance of power in the region change on dime. It is time to take the gloves off and destroy the Wahhabi headchopper coward terrorists who are now armed with CIA provided MANPADS.
Akm
You need to kill 1000s of them to equal the russian pilot…. you should not strike them strike who gave them the manpads which im pretty sure is turkey…..look at them on ground using turkish vehicles and weapons dont doubt them giving aa weapon
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Samantha Smith
Watching the video the militants seemed very excited about their success in shooting down a Russian jet, shouting Allah Akbar fifty thousand times. Got very annoying after the first 3. So lets put this into perspective thou. The Russians have probably conducted oh say a few thousand sorties over the course of their time in Syria. Not counting the Turkey shoot down of a Russian Jet plane, this is one incident that the militants were successful in so…1 out of 10,000, what’s the percentage equation of that? Well it’s a .00001% success rate. Hmmmm that’s not a good hit rate at all. In fact that is a pretty farking miserable hit rate. I think the militants have a long way to go before they can say they are successful at all. In fact I would call it a lucky freak of nature one in a million chance, more ass than class hit.
jim crowland
Freedom Fighters take down some more mass murder invaders planes!!
Wolfgang Wolf
be sure that some foreign military “advisers” will be disappearing soon in mysterious way. and a lot of famelcucker leaders will be eliminated. russians do not flatten complete areas with carpet bombing. makes no sense in this country. just send special forces in and kill the rats selectively. hurts the financiers more !
Jana Kravina
Moderate terrorist received modern weapons from USA.
R3mba
Nuke whole idlibstan.. Fuck em All!!!!
hvaiallverden
Never mind the ISISrael rat pack, aka HasbaRATnjiks pooping all over, but some questions arise.
The airplane is self, the defense systems, counter measurements must have been lacking or not expected as last time, and its an low flying ground attack plane, the toughest job an fighter pilot can have, not like the ISISraelis and Europeans bombing civilians in Yemen from high altitude, thats is an walk in the park, shit heads.
Low altitude, very difficult to out run, since the short reponce time involved, just mere seconds, and was this one even armed, for countering, just an thought.
What to do.
When this occurred the traffic rised, I would take my time to map them, someone gave the command, or OKdokied it, and when the Wankees have already been out and denied everything, of course, but nobody trust them anyway, thru Quatar, from the Saudi-Barbarians, or from the Turks, thru their proxies, witch is the same as run by Wankees, but never the less the kickback should be to wipe out the entire command structure, the way points, depots, factory’s, vaporize their centers, show no mercy, and never trust an Turk.
Their corruption knows no boundary’s nor depth.
Whatever they say is just words, cheep, costs nothing.
Chop their heads of, one by one, the cannon fodders will run anyway, but take out the heads.
But again, this rests upon Putin, if Russia is to be taken seriously, as an alie or friend, they need to show their worth, sooner or later, this is all done by the Wankees, I dont bother to read whatever they claim, when they lie about everything, all the time.
So Russia, like cockroaches, to get rid of them you need to wipe out their nests, and then pick em out one by one, time consuming but eventually even They realize the issue, either move out and leave the place, or die.
peace
Kira Binkley
Question: How many downed Russian jets will it take before Putin gets angry? As in “warp-spasm” angry?
- Rodney Loder
  Warp — spasm is not really what war is about, I wish I could change that, the brave and dedicated arr the house pets of BS addicts, how sad, and doesn’t make sense, all we can do is point out the BS.
  - Kira Binkley
    What is this war about, then, Rodney?
    - Rodney Loder
      As you know Kira Binkley I claim to be Isa Son of Maryium, now because of this capacity that I can prove anytime I’m allowed to, I can safely say that this war is about the fact that I was inhibited from absconding with humanity in tow from symbiotic behavioural tendencies.
      So it’s a case of Christianity and Communism both being assigned to the scrap yard of history and the safety net Religion of Islam sealing the Universal Destiny.
      The worst thing would be if Saudi Arabia remains a pox on islam.
      - Kira Binkley
        You mean Wahhabism is the pox, not the secular government of al-Saud. Or is it secular?
      - Rodney Loder
        I think that King Salman’s reign is closest to secular because there is no connection to any of the pretequisites of Sharia jurisprudence to be found in his decisions making which is rubber stamped by the various bureaucracies under him, he probably spends most of his time lying down In a opiate stupor, so his decision making certainly couldn’t be described as Sharia.
        I don’t know if he has sufficient precedent for him to describe himself as Secular either, I think he’s mind is addled, poor bastard.
      - Kira Binkley
        Are you saying the Saudi king makes laws not already found in Sharia?
        Does the king appoint the Grand Mufti as well?
        Just curious how laws are enacted, executed and enforced in the country.
      - Rodney Loder
        I’m not really familiar with the modern Grand Mufti, maybe it’s not an outdated term as my scholarship indicates, I will look it up, I’m great-full for the homework you give your students, we students love our teacher very muchley.
        Sharia is all about consensus with appointed council, these are many and varied, the King doesn’t have to be in agreement with anybody and can go it alone which a departure from being seemingly aloof from Regional Politics must be because of the King’s claim to ne the Guardian of the two Mosques, Mecca and Medina.
        Consensus will always be a safe bet, but if there is no safe bet going along with the King is the only way to go.
        It’s all about protecting wealth and privlige, israel is being openly accepted by the King, everything could change, Netanyahu the defacto Guardian of the Holy Precincts the Sharia can prescribe it’s omnipotent.
      - Kira Binkley
        I was just wondering if the relationship between king and priest in Saudi Arabia is similar to that of the Byzantine emperors and Russian tzars with their patriarchs.
      - Rodney Loder
        I Think Byzantine emperors were more to do with competitive military capabilities, Russian tzars were heredity succession from the last tzar by his direct offspring, don’t quote me on that.
        Shiekhs are family based on first wife usually but involves a lot of wheeling and dealing with tribal agreements.
        Interesting to note that al-Saud’s entire family were exiled from the Peninsula at the turn of the 19th Century, from 1891 actually, they came back with British support in1906 and captured Riyadh (Nejd) 1914 gained Hasan region,1921 added North West of Nejd, 1925 defeated Hussein who organizorthe Arab Revolt and won the first World War for the British, the British repayment was exile for Hessein, he was lucky to live.
        Al-Saud they say used pregnancy to unite the four regions of Saudu Arabia, never united before, what rubbish, the creep was a perverted homosexual we know this from Lawrence of Arabia who was also homosexual.
        So the truth is al-Saud never knew who his family was, most pregnancies were the result of his family members standing in for him, however he realised this would be a problem for succession so he nominated one woman and had seven sons with her, she was also married to al-Sauds relations at one time, the children are probably not his either, he preferred men.
        But anyhow that 7 sons are the only legitimate succession, King Salman has broken the chain, by locking up bin Neyef who is the last of the 7 sons, if MbS is successful in his wars succession will be according to Byzantine model I think because the security apparatus will fracture if MbS comes undone.
      - Kira Binkley
        Seems to be more complicated than I first thought.
      - Rodney Loder
        Satan whispers in the ear of hypocrites and they can’t resist hurting weaker people, that’s because either they rejected the perfect excuse, that being, the first sin when (P) Adam swallowed the forbidden fruit which I would never do while on hold for you, or its because everything that I always believed is true.
        It’s not complicated, how could it be ? , I actually knew all about it when I was a baby.
        The game plan MbS is backing is this.
        1.Crazy man Trump kicks off a war with Iran.
        2. Britain, France and Germany defer all actions while considering.
        3. US appears isolated, the Dems call for his impeachment.
        4. Trump quits and the irrational war has a new rational beginning.
        Trump is being used either knowingly or unknowingly as a Presidential False Flag.
        The Kushners and MbS would be pushing Trump to do the stupid thing believing that Putin will lie down before the Russian elections.
        It’s the highest form of crowing imaginable, of course Putin won’t do that.
      - Kira Binkley
        Just as long as the neo-cons and VELGDS are quaking, I’m ok with it.
      - Rodney Loder
        Just browsing through Magnetic Mountain by Stephen Kotkin, looking for the US sister city of Magnitogorsk its a 600+ page book with no reference in the lndex to sister city, but keep posting me and I’ll find it, trust me like I trust you.
        I’ve read it twice I know it’s in there, the point is that it’s similar, to Grapes of Wrath the cultures at the bottom were much the same in many respects, the divergence was the result of deteriorating terms of trade, expropriation of wealth from what was then the 3rd World, and the economies of scale advantages embraced by the West, but the Welfare State and its benefits came from the threat Communism posed.
        The Jews were mainly atheists then, however when they went over to the West with the British after WW2 they became agnostic, now the vast majority of jews that are not wealthy according to Norman Finkelstein, are turning back to atheist understanding, because they can see that the British Christians basically used them as auxiliarie crusaders.
        Also immediately after 1950’s the thieving Christians claimed the Holy Ghost that I brought to Earth as their propery, the poor old atheist jews then freshly converted to agnosticism didn’t have chance, they thought God really was homosexual.
      - Kira Binkley
        I’ve been accused of being a Holy Spirit myself, Rodney.
      - Rodney Loder
        Having trouble finding your last comment about Feit, and I came across my Holy Spirit, be extra caring and Allah will help us get together.
      - Kira Binkley
        We all need a little heart-softening once in a while, Rodney. Myself included. At least according to some.
      - Rodney Loder
        Depends what you mean by softening, Surah 4 ; 29
        ” O ye who believe ! Eat not up your property among your selves in vanities : but let there be amongst you traffic and trade by mutual good will : nor kill (or destroy) yourselves : for verily Allah hath been to you most merciful !.”
        Hearts are softened by non- recognition of purposeful interest that is not wanting wasteful aberrations.
        I can’t see why anybody would be seeing wastefulness in you Kira Binkley, you probably are wasted on them, but I wouldn’t let you go to waste.
      - Kira Binkley
        Well, that’s good to know!
      - Rodney Loder
        Waste not want not, have a good night and tomorrow have a good day at the Ju Anne Table Branch Library in Ahu al – Querqe.
      - Kira Binkley
        He better!!
      - Kira Binkley
        And here you are using “Satan” as a metaphor for temptation.

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