The Russian military has not observed any fighting between ISIS and the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in the northern countryside of Deir Ezzor city over the past few days, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said commenting on the US-led coalition’s allegations that Russian forces struck SDF units fighting against ISIS on September 16.
“Over the past few days, on the eastern bank of the Euphrates, Russian control and reconnaissance facilities have not identified a single combat of Islamic State terrorists with armed representatives of any ‘third force.’ Therefore, only representatives of the international coalition can answer the question as to how ‘opposition members’ or ‘military advisers of the international coalition’ managed to get to the IS-held areas in the eastern part of Deir ez-Zor [Deir Ezzor] without striking a blow,” Major-General Konashenkov said in a statement on September 17.
According to the general, Russian forces attack only positiosn of ISIS terrorists and the US has been notified about the ongoing anti-ISIS operation in advance. He added that Russian forces target ISIS on the both banks of the Euphrates River.
“To avoid unnecessary escalation, the command of the Russian forces in Syria gave the US partners an advance notice, through an existing communications channel, on the borders within which the military operation in Deir Ez-Zor [Deir Ezzor] would be conducted,” Konashenkov said. “Within the framework of this operation, the fighters, armored vehicles, and objects of terrorists are being destroyed on both western and eastern banks of the Euphrates.“
He emphasized that firing positions used by ISIS to conduct attacks against government forces in Deir Ezzor are priority targets for Russian forces.
In early September, the Strian Arab Army (SAA) and other pro-government factions, supported by Russia and Iran, broke the ISIS siege on Deir Ezzor city and started a large-scale operation to clear the Deir Ezzor countryside from terrorists.
The SDF and the US-led coalition used this to launch own operation against ISIS and seized a notable area north of Deir Ezzor, on the eastern bank of the Euphrates.
During this operation, SDF representatives and pro-SDF sources have repeatedly claimed that they will not allow the SAA to cross the river. On September 16, the SDF and the coalition claimed that Russian forces struck a position near SDF units embedded with coalition troops injuring few SDF members.
While the all involved sides have own version of the event, it’s clear that a key goal of the US-backed operation north of Deir Ezzor is to limit the SAA influence on the eastern bank of the Euphrates and the battle against ISIS is only a pretext for this.
If we look at the situation in this light, it’s easy to suppose that the airstrikes allegations could be just a part of the wide-scale media campaign to cover the real goal of the coalition’s operation.
Why am I not surprised?
You should be surprised… RamboDave commented here on SouthFront just 3 days ago that “the SDF-Kurds will be stuck right where they are, surrounded by dozens of ISIS mortar positions who are going to make them bleed.”
https://southfront.org/overview-of-battle-for-deir-ezzor-on-september-14-2017-evening-update/ Field Marshal Terra Cotta Woolpuller also commented just 2 days ago on SouthFront that “They [SDF] ran into ISIS forces 15 km north of the Industrial zone [of Deir Ezzor] and have been flanked after another ISIS group came up and broke the siege 2 days ago and flanked into Hasakah province prompting the US/SDF a withdrawal to Shahadaddi to reinforce.”
Either the Russian are lying or RamboDave and Woolpuller are….
RamboDave and Woolpuller simply gave their opinions.They never claim to be military strategist and arent on the ground either
They never gave just “opinions”… they state this stuff as facts.
That’s your personal interpretation :) An opinion that you claim (?) to be a fact.
We are talking about events that happened a few days. If you say “a few days ago this happened and this happened and then this happened” you are representing these events as facts not as opinions.
And I THINK what you’re saying, then, is they either happened or they didn’t happen. Opinions, on the other hand, may or may not happen. Am I right?
Yes you are right.
It is sometimes hard to distinguish opinions from statements of “fact” but these examples fall squarely into the factual statements category by their very nature.
So when an opinion is stated as having “happened”, that makes the opinion a fact. Right?
Not necessarily a “true” fact but yes it is being communicated to us all as factual information.
Can you give me an example of when an “opinion” is given as “having happened”; that is, attempting to state a fact. Most opinions have nothing to do with events, per se. (I hate that phrase!)
They both seem much more competent than the current clowns that claim to be US military strategists. Maybe CENTCOM should think about hiring them?
They were right. ISIS/SDF were only performing a dance…as the Russian general above said, There has been no fighting between them for days. Maybe Dave & Terra were only giving the SDF some credit for actual fighting. Everyone makes mistakes, but you. Why aren’t you calling the shots?
RamboDave and Woolpuller giving SDF credit???? Don’t make me laugh…
“WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,” Who is lying ? That question must not be made.
I see what you did there… neatly avoided addressing the issue I raised by bringing up a totally new topic. Clever!
To Graeme …. in a trailer, high atop your hill on that brand new West Bank Settlement. The fact of the matter is that ISIS is counterattacking the SDF-Kurds. See today’s map attached below. And, they are also counterattacking the SAA too. ISIS had sent some of their best fighters up to Mayadan two weeks ago to stop the SAA advance. It takes awhile to get back and plan a counterattack. The fact of the matter is that SDF-Kurds have been stuck right where they are for the last 3 days. Just as I predicted. The Russian Major-General is playing a mind game. The SDF-Kurds came down from the North where there were no ISIS defenders along the way. Of course he didn’t see any battles. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f668b3f2df89e71ec4a99c7bf404ca5d3a3e668438c32355398355d8a978647.jpg
Thank you RamboDave for confirming that there is a real fight on between ISIS and the SDF.
Is rambo a local guy, or he is the speaker of war parties? He confirmed nothing, he made a statement without any facts on the table.
But in western politics and debate, facts are not necessary. Actually it isn’t necessary to prove your point at all to your opposition. Arguments are considered won when both parties leave after reinforcing their own ideas and getting that self-righteous feeling that you could label your opponent a idiot. Convincing others is no longer the purpose of arguments. Therefore he is not a local guy he is armchair warrior like the rest of us.
Then the general was right, no isis, no fight.
US assholes !!!
Why oh why am I not surprised.
US terrorist coalition..indeed..
NATO = Nazi Alliance of Terrorist Organizations!
Does not matter…
They will all be stopped and rolled back no matter what “flag” they fly….
The weekend agreement between Russia, Syria, Iran and Turkey will free up lots of SAA fighting men. who can then be used to fight ISIS in Deir Ezzor.
Hope they can move fast enough to regain all the oil fields in Deir Ezzor province before the fall of Raqqa
because they SDF/daesh are both controlled by US/israel!!!
Tell it to Baghdadi!!
he knows already im sure lol, isnt he dead tho?
As for his death, not hardly.
I doubt Baghdadi thinks he is being controlled by US/Israel.
What makes u think that?
You mean, think that Baghdadi would think it ludicrous that he is being controlled by the U.S. or Israel? Were you born yesterday?
I never implied that. Seems you were the one born yesterday
Ok, I was born yesterday. What, then, exactly, were you implying?
I was not replying to you, I was replying to carol binkley
Carol Binkley, or Kira Binkley, WE are one and the same.
Perhaps you were referring to his “death”.
Why are u using a different name? I may have been, I honestly don’t remember what we were talking about lol
We were only talking about two things: The death of the Ghost, and how he feels about being controlled by the U.S. and Israel. You said you never implied anything about his thoughts on the U.S. or Israel in control. I THINK you said that. If true, then that leaves only his “death”: to which I said “Not hardly”.
Please, if you can, clarify. But be careful.
Careful of what? I have read he has died like 10 times in the past few years, so who really knows the truth? Recently both Russia and US confirmed he died, then US says he’s still alive hiding in deir ezzor or something. Dead or alive, I think he is/was just a figurehead for daesh and he is not the real decision maker.
I’m denied by the “Ghost” of you… Figure that one out. Who would be the real decision maker? Bin Laden?
No, US/israhelli commanders
I just told you, I believe Baghdadi would find it ludicrous that anyone is controlling him.
Perhaps you are only phishing. Looking for information. And thinking I would have it. Well, maybe I do, but it would not be information I might share with anyone.
If u don’t think daesh is controlled by US/israhell, u are either stupid or a mossad troll
It doesn’t matter what I think. What matters is that Baghdadi would think it ludicrous that anyone would believe he is being controlled by someone else. He has some pride, you know!!
So u are defending him now?
If calling a man haughty and arrogant is defending him, then so be it!
I don’t think u were calling him that
I think were done here..
Oh, don’t go!
Lol u miss me?
Well, I’d tell you that was sarcasm, but I,m not sure you would understand what that meant!
Oh I know what it means, and I know ur not very good at it, especially online lol
You know so much, rambino, that you know I am so good at it, that you don’t even know when I’m using it.
I know I am really smart thanks :)))
What happened to you, rambino?
What do u mean?
Well, we were having a pretty good discussion—which I was winning, of course—then you just kinda bugged out.
I think u have me confused for someone else
You’re the only one I’m having a discussion with, rambino. Looks like I’m not the one who is confused; you are.
Nope I think u are ;)
When is ur birthday?
Didn’t anyone tell you never to ask a lady that question?
He was born Shimon Elliot and trained by the MOSSAD to be Mestarivem which are trained for special tasks of creating terrorists cells and preaching hatred. The British had visited with al Wahhab and helped him create Wahhabi ideology, they were all what they call krypto-Jews as was the house of Saudi. The Ottomans were a Jewish line from the Khazars meaning they are converts ,since they weren’t blood related they tried marrying into the masons had not a lot of great success.
Maybe this is why PMU is helping SAA secure border to south, necessary also to secure the far fields on left bank Euphrates this way (in tandem with that operation). The govt. in Bagdad seems well aware of the problem, why else use use the secondary by us military independent force? My suspicion is that the SAA RU will solve the problem of the SDF, etc.-coveted fields in an unexpected way, maybe further SE.
Russia really should be considering sending additional troops into the region to block SDF from annexing more land. Syria has to be their red line because the US has shown that it is trying to isolate Russia. And if that ever happens, the US would try to balkanize Russia from within.
Yes I dont understand the delay, perhaps to get the Kurds to show their hand but now its shown its time to do something and put a stop to this incessent imperialism!
They are not just going to turn their back on the civilians in the city to head of the land grab post-haste, they are having to plan a sensible operation with actual materials at hand, they have one hand tied behind their back as they also have to consider conditions in country. Foreign funded demi-religious mercs do not.
Yes, Deir Ezzor province is the main prize. Hopefully, the SAA will have enough fighting men to take as much territory as possible.
Yes I find this painful, we all knew the SDF was going to do this, I too would like to see an increased Russian or Iranian troop presence, maybe a spectacular airdrop of a Russian Airmobile division over Omar to send a message to Israel/US/Isis
Wherever you find ISIS fighting units in Syria, you find Mossad/IDF “advisors or CIA/ Special ops “advisors” among them. Its par for the course. Standard operating procedure. Russia knows this.
Well in this area they had already evacuated their advisors. Maybe it seems even the western tactics have changed drastically, they know they cannot win without directly confronting Russia and seem like the mass murders they really are. Diplomacy is never an option when you can flatten the opposition without consequences. Thank god for Russia establishing a balance in the world. Americans are getting the most out of this new balancing.
Sounds like the SDF have layed claims for Syrian territory. SAA needs to solve this very quickly, only option is to destroy the SDF who are in violation of UN Charter, International Law. SDF attempt in annexing Syria has to be confronted.
ISIL FIGHTERS ARE ITSELF SDF WHO CONVERT ACCORDING TO US WHEN SAA MOVED TO CLOSE TO RIVER ISIL CHAGED AND BECOME SDF TO STOP SAA FROM CROSSING RIVER . NOW SDF AND US ARE LYING THEY HAVE ATTAKED SDF POSITION. BUT THEY ARE ISIL. SDF /US ARE SUPPORTING ISIL AGAINST SAA. BUT ALL BE IN VAIN BCUZ RUSSIA AND SYRIA ALLIES KNOWS VERY WELL AND SAA WILL CROSS RIVE FROM DIRECTION SOON. AND SDF THUGS WITH US WILL NOT DO ANYTHING
This is no surprise, let Russia, SAA and allies treat SDF and ISIS the same way, by destroying them.
SDF & ISIS didn’t fight because both are brothers by blood and following their paa that is US. It’s just matter of dress they wear that they seem different. I am amazed that why AMAQ Doesn’t publish any ambush of SDF…… I think because simply it doesn’t happen
Because ISIS is a US Pentagon construct – A proxy US army that can change labels easily AlQaeda ISIS alNusra White Helmets SDF are all controlled by US and Israel intelligence agencies. U.S. is deceiving the whole world
Correct and the Shammar tribal Chief was just another player as being ISIS terrorists , all of his fake rantings is exposing him as he lived like an Emir during the times of his ISIS wing. Many are surrendering every day the US and this sham is going to come crashing down on them soon. They say a picture says a thousand words I wonder how many Satellite Photos they have of the US/SDF/ISIS terrorists they have in this so called advance on ISIS.
Time for Russia to start demanding the SDF seperate itself from known ISIS elements or face targeting, all while ignoring US howls of protest to the contrary. We’ll call this the **Aleppo treatment**.
Wonder how many P.R. movies they had to make along the way to pretend they were fighting ISIS , probably that’s the real reason they were never where they reported to be, busy making movies.
There couldn’t have been much fighting with ISIS in the ‘blitz’, south to Deir Ez Zor from Southern Raqqa.
The newly announced deconfliction zones may allow the release of some SAA for operations east of the Euphrates. There is a drive on to complete the restoration of control along the whole border with Iraq.
This week should be a good one.
The PMU on the border , in tandem with SAA could seige Al Bukmal , allowing the SAA to then continue north onto the Oman oil fields .
This shouldn’t be surprising. The SDF and Isis are both supported by the same Jew world order regime change project.
ISIS is always with USA their are moderates.
I surmised as much when I said previously that ISIS had ceded that lands of the Kurdish advance. With ISIS field commanders being evacuated etc, there is obviously some level of communication and operation between the US and ISIS. The advance was basically to block the SAA from the eastern bank of the Euphrates and no army could advance so fast facing resistance.
The facts that imply a US/ISIS link are supported by the recent clandestine US extractions of European ISIS commanders and their families etc. IF the ISIS commanders had really been US/Israeli agents unknown to ISIS the terrorists would have been angry and not faded away from the US/SDF forces by Deir Ezzor city.
As local Arab warlords who supported ISIS are now donning the SAA badge ,it appears a deal has been done. Probably with Syrian Oil as the bribe.
Lol those isis bros the US evactuated were clearly undercover, CIA or mercanary operatives who had to be evacuated immediately due to several issues such as the fall of isis, their mission was becoming compromised, they were being forced to fight which made them end the mission. According my sources there is a documentary coming out on the fall of isis and why… it will feature captigon effects over a period of time and dehydration. Captigon dehydrates the hell out of one, add that plus extreme syrian desert heat, lack of water and psycological wear and tear of those isis rats are some of the main reasons for their fall… russia intervention, the discovery of the bulldozer tactics vs isis vbieds also have a huge huge role. Kurds and pmu were first to figure out to defeat them followed by the saa
Your thesis could well be correct and that being the case, Were these undercover agents sending intelligence to help the US defeat ISIS or were they actually assisting ISIS in the battle against the Syrian government forces and allies ?
GOOD OBSERVATIONS…….NOW YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS WAR.