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OCTOBER 2021

Russian Military: IL-20 Was Shot Down By Syrian S-200 Because Of Israeli F-16s Used It As Cover

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Russian Military: IL-20 Was Shot Down By Syrian S-200 Because Of Israeli F-16s Used It As Cover

A screenshot from the Russian Defense Ministry press briefing

On September 18, the Russian Defense Ministry revealed additional details on the IL-20 disappearance over the Mediterranean Sea last evening.

According to Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov, the plane was shot down by Syria’s S-200 air defense system because Israel’s F-16 fighters used it as a cover.

By using the Russian plane as a cover the Israeli air pilots made it vulnerable to Syrian air defense fire. As a result, the Ilyushin-20, its reflective surface being far greater than that of F-16, was downed by a missile launched with the S-200 system,” Konashenkov said. “The bombing raid was not far from France’s frigate The Auvergne and in close proximity to the UIyushin-20 plane of Russia’s Aerospace Force that was about to land.”

Konashenkov added that Israeli warplanes had been carrying out strikes in the area of Latakia and deliberately created a dangerous situation for surface ships and aircraft in that area. He added that Russia reserves the right to give a due response.

We see these provocative actions of Israel as hostile,” Konashenkov said. “Israel did not warn the command of the Russian troops in Syria about the planned operation. We received a notification via a hotline less than a minute before the strike, which did not allow the Russian aircraft to be directed to a safe zone.”

Israel’s Embassy in Moscow has refused to comment on the Russian statement on the IL-20 incident.

Meanwhile, Rusisan forces found the crash site of the downed IL-20. It’s located in the sea 27km west of the settlement of Banias, the province of Latakia. 8 vessels are participating in the search and rescue operation.

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World_Eye

Chaos really a big chaos from the damn Jewish regime. If Putin don’t respond now, he would be seen as a weak man.

1691

Calm down. Putin certainly knows what he is doing.

World_Eye

I highly doubt it for this situation, at home in Russia maybe yes but here he has not strategy to do something, the history tells that.

Promitheas Apollonious

you are wrong. History tells exactly the opposite of what you concluded.

1691

If Russia was home as you state you should know that if it is not at home then it is not our problem. History is in the making now.

Gregory Casey

If I were the Israelis, I’d draw a deep breath this morning, cross my fingers and hope against hope that Russia doesn’t use a big stick to retaliate!

The Farney Fontenoy

Israel knows Russia won’t lift a finger, Russia answers to Israel not the other way around.

heretickle

Its well past time for payback for Czar Nicholas II and all other BS the Zionist have pulled on Russia

Trauma2000

Russia should cancel EVERY Russian visa that all Russian Jews have. No return. No options. You moved to the promised land and the promises will soon evaporate… And seize all Jewish assets in Russia to ad to state revenue.

Sinbad2

Russia should do this and Russia should do that, so many nobody’s who are smarter than the people who actually rule you.

Alpha&Omega

Yeah, we see where Putin’s “smartness” and “wisdom”, as someone here also called it, took the Russian Il-20 crew and so many Syrians before them.
We also know why they rule us. Very few good leaders opposing Israeli aggression and quest for world dominance exists today, and Putin is obviously not one of them.

peacelover

Real problem is balance of power in conventional world war,which doesn’t exist. Control ur emotions. Calm down! Time will come as u wish and u will see! I wonder how desperate u Russians, but shouldn’t. I m from Pakistan and still love Russia and Putin bcz of his wisdom , maturity and love for Peace.

Alpha&Omega

You say so because you are not them and don’t know their twisted mentality. They are laughing and gleeing today.

Elisabeth Jenders

The Russian President is wise, not weak.

Ma_Laoshi

How many more Russians, and how many thousands more Syrians, will have to die because of his wisdom?

Daniel Miller

who gives a shit about the arab sub humans Syria is not worth Russia’s time.

Joe

Stupid nuts with Syrian dying for Russia , Russia is finished already from economic collapse.

No oil to EU or Turkey.

Daniel Miller

you are a retard if you think Russia is economecly in troble xD

1691

Why don’t you pose this question to your masters?

Sinbad2

Who knows, but Russia will continue to block the American pipeline.
If the US had not stopped South Stream, I doubt Russia would have stopped the Qatar Turkey pipeline.
Russia is happy to have competition in the European gas market, so is Iran.
But the US demands a monopoly, and it’s about the US holding Europe, and in particular Germany to ransom.

Elisabeth Jenders

How many Syrians and Russians would have to die if Nato / US Coalition were given a reason to attack?
How many people would have to die in a World war?

A LOT MORE!

peacelover

Well said. But some retaliation is needed in term of giving Syria S-300.

Elisabeth Jenders

Isn’t the saying “Revenge is a dish that is best served cold”? Wait till the right moment comes and then hit where it really hurts.

peacelover

So right

Ma_Laoshi

This enemy wants to be rid of Assad, and chase the Russkies out of the Middle East, which they see as their own rightful property. If you don’t want those, you should give the enemy a reason NOT to attack. Putin is not the man to do it.

peacelover

Sometimes patient works better than emotional wars

Alpha&Omega

We will see about that.

Making a deal with Erdogan on the expenses of the Syrians and Iranians to avoid an
attack, but just hours later get attacked and lose a significant number of Russian military personal cannot be considered wise.
Instead it signals weakness. Just look at the faces of Lavrov and Shoigu and at the press conference. They showed a mixture of frustration and despair, something never seen before. Even after bending backwards for the treasures Erdogan to primary avoid an attack, it followed with even more humiliation for the Russians.
This was of course deliberately done by the israelis, which are the not so hidden but primary driving force behind the war on Syria.

SvenBolin

Jew 1 Russia 0, now let them bleed for a change

Gregory Casey

Who? Russians? History shows that whenever Russia has bled, its Enemies have bled for far longer and far more painfully

Bobby Twoshoes

I think he meant that it’s time to make Israel bleed for a change.

Gregory Casey

that is what I HOPE he meant!

heretickle

Why stop at bleed when we can drain the blood of the monster

Joe Kerr

Vaporising Dimona would be a good start.

Val Shadowhawk

It should happen, like yesterday. Get rid of ‘israel’ and much of our world’s problems will go with it. It’s the epicenter of this planet’s misery.

heretickle

Vaporize the City of London, then target Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Chase Manhattan, the Federal Reserve, the Bank of International Settlements, the CIA, NSA, FBI and Hollywood, in no particular order but as soon as possible. If there are any weapons left Nuke Tel Aviv.

Nicola Facciolini

#NoFlyZone in All Integrity State of #Syria by #Russia Space Forces.

James

Would they not have known the Russian’s were in the area? Sounds like an unfortunate accident. I hope the Russian’s in the plane are ok. (I just got the news)

World_Eye

Really mate, the Plane is been shot with S-200 missile, and you hope that the Russians in the plane are ok, cmon mate, they are all dead 14 of them, they cannot even still find the wreak.

Gregory Casey

You may take it that all of the Russians are dead. The Israelis used the Russian Plane as cover and hid behind it ……. the Russian Plane was not a ‘Fighter-Jet’

James

Wishful thinking I guess.

Promitheas Apollonious

SAA has all Russian call signs and transponder details, of all friendlies flying in its airspace. The only way syrians would have shot it down, will be intentional. I dont buy the story that started in western mass media and picked up by the RT and other news russian media.

When a target is locked, the missile will not hit a friendly plane, that is been recognized as friendly.

World_Eye

LOL

Daniel Miller

you are a fucking retard the Russian MOD said that it was shot down by a S-200. Your ignorance of weapons technology is showing.
The SAA are idiots unproffesional idiots who used the S-200 in airspace they knew Russian aircarft are in. Let me elaborate the S-200 is not a modern system its late 50’s and early to mid 60’s tech it still uses vacum tubes and also cant see transponder signals (the S-200D can but only Russia had it and its now out of service) the SAA are morons for launching those S-200’s since the missiles lock on to the biggest target around (and a IL-20 is a massive 4 engine turbo prop) i need you to keep in mind this is a 1960’s era system its not new it dosent have a friend or foe ID system and before you say no you cant connect it to a S300 or S400 radar it uses very old electronics technology (it still uses vacum tubes).

Sinbad2

Thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Daniel Miller

Not a problem look i dont think the IAF is innocent but i think the SAA is alos to blame for this. Russia needs to punish both.

peacelover

But Russia is punished

Gregory Casey

While all of this may be true the fact is that Israel objected to Russia supplying S-300 or S-400 to Syria and Putin decided not to supply them. THAT was the decision that led to this.

Daniel Miller

not really Russia desided it wont give the S-300 its too expensive and the SAA can bearly operate that museum pice the S-200 propperly let alone a S300.

Joe Kerr

Why do you think the IAF F-16s hid behind the il-20? Was it because the SAA already used this “museum piece” to down an F-16? Anyway, the SAA can be trained as well as anyone on how to use an S-300.

Daniel Miller

i never said the S-200 cant shoot down aircraft but its so old that it cant destinguishe between enemy and none enemy aircraft.
Also no arabs have a track record of not careing about their systems look at Iraq and Sauid arabia and Syria before 2011 90% of their equipment was neglected not to mention they dont know how to propperly use half of it.The simple fact that this happened is proof of my point.

Promitheas Apollonious

fucking retard is who did not jerk you off, pussy lips

Daniel Miller

as expected your reply is very well constructed xD plz never again talk about something you do not know since weapons tech is far more complecated then a blind hatred for Israel or the US ;)

Ronald

I don’t buy this story either, I think its a cover story for a huge French Error.
Six hours ago RT said that at 2300 the plane was hit, and just moments earlier a French ship had fired missiles.

Promitheas Apollonious

I really could care less if you buying or not, since I am not selling anything.

Gregory Casey

In hiding behind the Russian plane, the Israeli F-16 and its command knew full well that because of the nature of the Russian plane, it was far more likely to draw any incoming missile strike to it and to deflect it away from the Israeli flight that was the target of the S-200 missile. THAT is an Act of War.

Aurelian

I Feel it is an act of war, a real slap in the face considering Putin has bent over backwards for the Israelis.
I feel the should Move in a lot more anti-air,anti-missile forces keep trying to blunt the attacks the best they can, or they can escalate and start shooting down IAF Aircraft so far Putin as escaped being dragged in to upping the Ante.
Just feel this time he has got to see this as a step to far.

Kenneth Hammond

As always the zionist show their treachery, they can never be trusted to abide by their own undertakings, Russia reserves the right to inflict the maximum retribution for Israel’s act of treachery.

Alpha&Omega

Time is now past “reserves the right to” or other verbal non-actions, since
this was not about putting “Russian servicemen and women in harm’s
way”, it was Israel coldly calculating and effectuating the mass murder of
Russian citizens. Time has come to strike back.
If not, Putin and Moscow will lose all credibility and respect from both allies and
foes alike. There is no margin for chess play left. Putin has to act or die
politically along with Russian politically and military standing on the world
scene.

We don’t say this lightly, something those following our comments before can confirm.

Sam Litvin

And how do you feel about Russian actions in Ukraine, Chechnya, Georgia and the downing of the Dutch civilian plane? Israel using a Russian plane to bomb Iranian targets is evil, but Russian use of their planes to bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of Syrians is no problem? Do you really care about Russians and Syrians? Seems like you just hate Israel aka Jews.

Joe Kerr

For a reason to despise Jews, just a quick glance at the tripe posted by you and your ilk will suffice.

Sam Litvin

And what is your nationality? I mean by same rationality I should hate all people who share your genetic code.

zman

If you’re Jewish, you do. Goyim?

Sam Litvin

the translation of the word Goim is foreigner. I know lots of Goyim from 45 countries I visited who are decent people. You hate all Jews based on the few you don’t like, for reasons I don’t understand. So I would like to do as you do. But I would like to be as specific as possible. So what country are you from. Lots of countries in the world that are not antisemitic, but if you judge all Jews by what you think of me, I think it is fair for me to judge all people who are as close to you as possible. So where are you from, so I can hate all people who are like you. I am upfront about being Jewish, why are you afraid to state who you are?

zman

I know what the fuck the translation is, I also know Jews use it as a term of derision…like the word chattel, right? Yes, I know this because I have jewish relatives…I should say HAD, because my sister came to her senses after being treated like a second class citizen. I worked for him and found it out for myself. But I don’t hate all Jews, just the sick ass Zionist bastards in Israel and the ones who have fucked me over. I’m American and we get to see first hand what the dual citizens have done to this country, in collusion with Zionist so-called Christians. Get this, I could give a rats ass about what you think of me…and I don’t give a shit about you personally. But I dare say that if every Zionist (Jew or not) died tomorrow, there would be a lot more peace on this blue ball. Oh, and you can take your semantics and word games and shove them, I tired of that ploy years ago. My ex-brother in law clued me in on that shit, probably the only thing he taught me of any value.

Val Shadowhawk

Good comments. I feel the same way!

Sam Litvin

You’re totally right. SOME Jews do use Goyim as a derogatory term. Most do not. So I guess I should hate all Americans because SOME Americans have derogatory words for Asians, Black people, Latinos, Gays, and women. You should too, but I don’t expect you to have the rational understanding that given your sample size of Jews and Zionist (Zionist original definition simply means ethnic Jews come from Israel and should have a homeland as any European). So if you hate any person who happens to have a derogatory term for someone, you should hate yourself. If you hate any people who feel that they deserve a place and a country, you should hate yourself, because Americans live on stolen land that they don’t even come from. But I suspect that is why you hate Jews and Zionists, you actually don’t really like yourself and so you need someone to take the hate of yourself out on. I don’t care that you don’t care about me, don’t care if you cared about me either. I just go on doing my thing, even if the things I do better you, like all of my engineering projects in US, some of which are bettering you today without you knowing it, like a “parasite”. Some things you do, might be bettering me, it’s the world we live in. I know you won’t listen to me, but if you did, I would say, hate and judgement of one person is bad on you as a person, they drain you. Hating a whole entire race of people because of those individuals, is even worse. It closes off relationships and drains your energy and wont make you like yourself any more. I know you won’t listen to this because you hate me as I am one of those dual citizenship American/Israelis who is a Zionist, but if you did, that is what I’d say. Because even though you are an American and Americans have derogatory terms for various people, I don’t hate you.. it’s a waste of my energy when instead, I can create and be successful.

Zionism = EVIL

The world hates Jews because they are parasites and I am being kind.

Sam Litvin

You seem to be using internet, which had quiet a few Jews work on it, seems like you are being a parasite as well. Quiet a few inventions that save your life everyday by people like Salk are invented by Jews too, or do you like having Polio?

zman

Undertakers are quite busy too, thanks to Jews. I don’t suppose you want the credit for that too?

Sam Litvin

might as well, we are responsible for banking but also killing bankers with 9-11. We are responsible for Capitalist world order and for Communism. We are responsible for controlling the world and for being really bad at controlling it because we sure do get killed a lot. We are responsible for the worlds religions but somehow we are also not Christian even though Jesus was a Jew and a rabbi and thus basis of Christianity is Judaism. We are hated for living in the countries around the world but also hated for trying to create Israel to live in. Whatever man, we have been killed so much and yet every empire that tries to take us out is taken out, from Assyrians and Babylonians to Romans, Ottomans to Germans. We will survive, no matter how much you blame all of us for whatever crimes you choose to blame us instead of doing the hard work and actually figuring out what’s going on. To learn the cause and effect of a complex world is hard, why do that when you can just blame me, a Master’s student studying bats, for all of the world’s evil. Makes sense.

so

Keep drinking that Kool Aid Sam. Read your morning edition of the NY times yet?

Sam Litvin

Yes, I do like my information fact checked and presented by professional journalists who are accountable to what they say. What should I be reading according to you? Trump and Putin’s tweets?

zman

What a load of crap.

Jens Holm

You feel my this and that.

Trauma2000

re: ‘the Russian plane, it was far more likely to draw any incoming missile [fire].’

The IsraHelli’s deliberately had the Russian plane targeted by nature of their actions. Yes, that is an act of war… an act of war against someone it was NOT at war with. Payback should be painful. Syria’s Golan Heights come to mind.

Icarus Tanović

S200 never existed, Israelis shoot and downed the plane by them selves.
No S 200 involved.

Jens Holm

You were their in a ballon driven by Your own hot gas ?

Jens Holm

Too many too fast conclusions and very biased as well.

You keep the level well. I can rely on You.

Zionism = EVIL

Most countries have IFF systems, especially for their own aircraft, Russians are so primitive that their most advanced ELINT IL-20 could not detect a combat stick of 4 F-16 at 20,000 feet hard deck then they deserve to be shot down. And most importantly all NATO AWACS are covered by a fighter CAP escort. Where were the Russian SU-35? sleeping like the dud S-400?

Promitheas Apollonious

The claim of friendly fire is ridiculous since Russian and Syrian defences are meshed, the ELINT would appear as friendly on their radars. I dont buy it, that the S200 downed a russian friendly plane.

χρηστος

my guess is electronic warfare…..the s-200 saw the Russian plane as enemy. or even simpler…..it didnt avoid the plane that was on its track….the Russians said that…..could be as simple as that…the missile was chasing them……they confused it and hit the Russian aircraft

Promitheas Apollonious

k let me explain you and if you know any one who has knowledge and did service in radars and antiaircraft batteries ask him and he explain you why is not possible what they claim happen happened.

To shadow a plane as that one, first the crew will know is been shadowed. Even with their transponders, shut down, still the radars see them and mark them as hostile.

The official version you read all over the news is mean to avoid open conflict and because 99.9% of the population has no idea and will believe what ever they read, in which ever media out let is their preference and take it as matter of fact.

Imagine to be at war 200-300 planes to be in the air and you shooting down your own planes, with missiles that are designed to exactly not do that.

Sinbad2

So if this is so fool proof, why did the US Patriot missiles shoot down 2 RAF fighters that were assisting the US to invade Iraq?

Promitheas Apollonious

Nothing man made is full proof. I just know how the systems work and also that all missile batteries in syria are connected to the russian systems.

And since all of you are suddenly so smart and well informed answer me this. The plane is been shoot down works as an AWACS and to track down submarines. Explain me why the plane radars did not let the crew know they was there since to shadow a plane and not give your signature in radars means to be very close to it.

Unless you think as someone else here who told me the israelis blinded the russians because their technology is light years ahead of the russians.

Sinbad2

An AWAC is not a submarine tracker, they are totally different.
Where do you get this information, voices in your head?

Daniel Miller

again wrong no they are not you cant connect S-125’s S-200 or Kub systems to modern Russian SAM’s they are too old to do so.
Also again no the Il-20 is not a anti sub or a AWACS aircraft you idiot its a ELINT aircraft it interceps communications it has nothing to do with a AWACS role (the A-50 belev is for that) or a anti sub role (the Il-38 is for that)……plz just stop you are really and i mean REALLY starting to look like a moron now…..

Daniel Miller

plz just stop acting like you know what you are talking about its just makes you look like more of a idiot.

Promitheas Apollonious

and you do exactly in what imaginary world all of your own stooge? I have yet to see an argument from you beside trying in a very pathetic way to make this personal.

Daniel Miller

i will copy and paste my reply again

you are a fucking retard the Russian MOD said that it was shot down by a S-200. Your ignorance of weapons technology is showing.
The SAA are idiots unproffesional idiots who used the S-200 in airspace they knew Russian aircarft are in. Let me elaborate the S-200 is not a modern system its late 50’s and early to mid 60’s tech it still uses vacum tubes and also cant see transponder signals (the S-200D can but only Russia had it and its now out of service) the SAA are morons for launching those S-200’s since the missiles lock on to the biggest target around (and a IL-20 is a massive 4 engine turbo prop) i need you to keep in mind this is a 1960’s era system its not new it dosent have a friend or foe ID system and before you say no you cant connect it to a S300 or S400 radar it uses very old electronics technology (it still uses vacum tubes).

now will you actually give a valid argument or still act like a child with autisam.

Promitheas Apollonious

that what you have not received an answer. I stop reading what you posted after you said this jew boy.

The SAA are idiots unproffesional idiot. By the way is two s and not two ff.

Stevart

Yeah, but vacuum tubes sound so much better than solid state.

Daniel Miller

yes and alos beeing 200 times weaker in prossesing power.

Stevart

It’s a joke.

χρηστος

the Russian version is that the Israelis used the aircraft as a decoy, they flew near it and the large heat signature of the Russian aircraft drew the missile on it. what do you think.?

Promitheas Apollonious

I dont think, I know they covering up what really happen, because what they say it happen, it is a lie. And when you searching for the truth you never conclude anything before all facts come to the table, if they ever come. If we learn something new I let you know.

χρηστος

maybe its a simple mistake. the syrians thought the aircraft was foe so they shot it down. they are trying to cover this up because it is a big deal. Russians killed by Russian equipment operated by allies, Syrians….so they are trying to exploit a mstake for political reasons

Promitheas Apollonious

K is not working like this. IFF system is a system that recognize friends or enemies and both systems had it both on the plane as well the S200. Also syrians and russians work together in the control centers that direct fire.

This is so they avoid exactly this and the missile will not have hit the russian plane under any circumstances. This is a fact. Now many say many things and make it look like a third rate hollyshit movie. As I said lies do have the bad habit to be uncovered when is least expected. So lets wait and see what info comes in.

As I said before hunting for the truth first rule to do this is never conclude on speculation and always decide what is what based on proven fact and not what someone think happen and how. What I am absolute fact in my mind is that did not happen, as officially been told to the public.

χρηστος

wise words man…lets wait and see then

1691

It sounds like a premature statement, too quick to be believable. The Russians don’t jump to announcements prior to a due investigation. It takes time. I don’t believe in this statement at all. It is a wool over our eyes but in that case, it is not to fool us, but to avoid a bigger mess. I am not surprised the jews lost their marbles: first, Konashenko points who did MH17, a few hours later Putin announces that no, we are not going to please you and we are not going to fight your rats now. We’ll deal with them at our leasure. The very situation is nerve-wrecking for the terrorists, they were waiting for Tehran, then Sochi, and woops, there will be no fight. Those creatures and their commanders could not swallow up all of this. Plus the Skripal nonsense. Plus usa elections. The deep state bit the dust again.

olim

When will the investigation of the crash of the plane with the entire Aleksandrov
Choir on board in the first minutes after the start from Sevastopol in
the Crimea on Christmas Day 2015 end?
Answer:
NEVER, because Russia would have to admit that the plane was knocked
down because of the act of terror, and this could not be left
unanswered.

1691

Do you think it will be good to say : this act of terror was done by X and that act of terror was done by Z? We, most of people on Earth know who is behind the acts of terror. So ? Am I a judge in need of evidence? Am I St Peter to decide should I grant you access to paradise or send you to hell. We live in such times when the truth comes on its own, it is not mouth -fed to the masses. MSM does it to rinse the remaining thinking cell in some humans. The sane, they can add up 2+2. And trust me, there will be retaliation and there has been, for the victims of fires all over in Russia, for the ambassadors, for the planes and the pilots. What do you think the Russians were doing with surgical presision in Syria for the last 2,5 years? Why the jews lost their marbles and created this tragedy? They are also feeling the heat! So many “moderate rebels” went up in search of virgins. If this is not an answer that I don’t know what will please you. An all out war? What?

Alpha&Omega

We agree on the first part regarding it seems like a “premature statement” in order “to avoid a bigger mess”. But it’s not “The deep state bit the dust again”, rather it was Putin and Russia.

1691

Irrelevant! Who cares what you think? Deep state did not get what they wanted. Period. Hillary, is it you? Get lost!

Free man

Israeli technology is too sophisticated for Russian systems.
Apparently the Israelis blinded the Russian systems, and the Syrians panicked and shot in every direction.

heretickle

“Israeli technology is too sophisticated for Russian systems.”………Too funny.
Everything Israel has is stolen or developed elsewhere and payed for by western tax dollars and drug money/.

The Israelis are cowards, plain and simple.
That’s why they always use false flags
That’s why they always project their crimes on other people
That’s why they have been moaning, crying and playing the victim for millennia

Trauma2000

Mossad modus operandi: By way of deception we shall wage war.

Free man

Everything you write does not change the fact that Israeli technology is too sophisticated for Russian systems. The Israelis had to take into account that such an event could happen.

Daniel Miller

in what way are Israeli systems better?

Free man

Electronic Warfare.

Alpha&Omega

True, but they are leading in several military fields, two of which
sticks out; drones and electronic warfare.

Joe Kerr

But not too sophisticated for bird strikes.

Free man

Birds are very sophisticated (-;

Promitheas Apollonious

is that so?

Free man

Apparently.

Daniel Miller

you are a idiot i swear to god your ignorance of weapons technology is hurting my brain…

Sinbad2

His handle gives him away.
Promitheas was a trickster liar and thief.
Apollonious was a philosopher.
So he has called himself the lying philosopher.

Daniel Miller

hahaha ok look i do not mean to attack some one personaly but for the love of god he really needs to get educated on this subject.

Concrete Mike

Hes a grumpy old man for fucks sakes…let him be, hea actually prettt smart, read between the lines.

Promitheas Apollonious

am I? I did not know you know me that well Mike have we meet?

Concrete Mike

Yes you are. You said so yourself once last winter.i wont accept some poster tag teaming you.

Your a poster i pay attention to, there is always some wisdom in there that only a grumpy old man has.

Im grumpy too just not that old, so im still learning. Haha

Good day, even if were surrounded by madeness, or in my case concrete pumps.

Promitheas Apollonious

your ignorance, never cease to amaze me kid.

Promitheas Apollonious

is that so, broken condom? My knowledge of weapons systems and how they work especially electronics and radars I am sure is light years ahead of your single cell.

Daniel Miller

Oh yes thats why you tottaly countered my argument in the other comment right? xD plz just stop you are starting to look like a retard.

Promitheas Apollonious

i dont waste my time with braindead as you kid. Go suck what ever is you sucking.

Daniel Miller

Hahhahaha so now that you compleately lost the argument you are going to insults you are pathetic.

Promitheas Apollonious

what argument I lost kid?

Daniel Miller

the argument about how “Its impossible for muh 1960’s era S-200 operated by muh amazing SAA to shoot down the Il-20” for the love of god you are beiond retarded.

Promitheas Apollonious

you confuse the radar system of the S200 with the year of the creation of the system. That S200 is also what down the allegedly stealth american planes over Yugoslavia.

Daniel Miller

…..and again you show your ignorance the system witch downed the F117 was not a S-200 it was a S-125 a compleately diffrent system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown

Promitheas Apollonious

same system different name after it been upgraded dinky bell.

Daniel Miller

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHH
OMFG ok that gaive me a good lath….https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-125_Neva/Pechora

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-200_(missile)

learn the differance.

Promitheas Apollonious

I know the difference idiot. I just want how long you keep posting saying nothing but thinking what your opinion is its correct.

Sinbad2

You really do twist the facts don’t you.
I’m sure you know that the F117 was only detected when it opened its bomb doors, and it wasn’t an S200.
Do you get a kick out of misleading people?

Promitheas Apollonious

no i dont you just ignorant and parroting not from the position of knowledge but what ever you manage to pick on the net and think is correct.

Why you think Russians still manufacture radars with technology of WW2 and integrate them with their modern radar systems? Do you have basic knowledge of what the americans call stealth and what reality is? And they did not shot it down because of the reason you saying. But go ahead and think what ever you like to me is irrelevant and what you like to think in your ignorance of fact.

And another thing you should educate yourself is why their is no such thing as true stealth.

Stevart

I thought is was a sling shot with a large pebble in it. Hey, you never know.

Sinbad2

You are a total wanker, for some reason you think you are knowledgeable about things when you actually lack even basic knowledge.
Are you Donald Trump?

Promitheas Apollonious

not as much as your family trade is kid.

Alpha&Omega

We also find this hard to understand and wouldn’t be surprised if the israelis don’t just hide behind it, but also used electronic warfare to confuse or even guide a Syrian SAM to the Russian Il-20.

Stevart

According to the defector Mossad agent it worked against the Libyans.

Nabir oBar

It’s time to “sell” s300 to Syria

Ivan Freely

IIRC, Syria did buy the S300, but refused to deliver them because of objections from Israel.

Free man

The Russians understand that the S-300 can’t hit Israeli planes and missiles. They will not risk their reputation.
I wonder what compensation Russia will receive from Israel.

Daniel Miller

considering that Iseaeli missiles have been downed by old S-125’s in the past i doubt that is the case.

heretickle

“The Russians understand that the S-300 can’t hit Israeli planes and missiles. They will not risk their reputation”
Based on what evidence?
Please fly over Russian Bases and find out.

World_Eye

Russia to Israel: ‘You are to blame for downing of Il-20 and death of crew’ RT

The Farney Fontenoy

Israel to Russia: “We gave you a fair warning goyim, its nothing to do with us, Assad did it”

Ivan Freely

RIP to the crew. At least the downed plane is not underwater. Easier to conduct an investigation.

χρηστος

it will be eventually…it cant float….

Bobby Twoshoes

I hope this pans out something like when the Turks shot down a Russian plane, Russia managed to turn a cowardly act on behalf of the US into a catalyst for shifting Turkey’s alignment from the US.

Merijn

IsraHell Wants to Create a New USS Liberty…..to pull everyone into WWIII..they Don’t like the Idlib-Deal…. Burn IsraHell….Burn…

Brother Thomas

Human shields. That’s what Israel basically used the Russians as.

The Farney Fontenoy

Israel brings the Gaza experience to Russia!

Brother Thomas

Not exactly. They accuse Hamas of using people as human shields but this is largely an invented fairy tale to demonize Palestinians. But you are correct in that Israel is very familiar with the concept. They invented it.

Zionism = EVIL

Russians are a bunch of idiotic shameless cowardly pussies. PERIOD!

Tudor Miron

I’m Russian. Tudor Miron is my real name. Who are you?

Zionism = EVIL

I am Turkish, your masters.

Tudor Miron

Masters? That was funny. Would you dare to reveal your name?

Zionism = EVIL

Names are for tombstones :) stick with the topic of Russian dumb cowardly pussies.

Tudor Miron

OK, brave nameless keyboard worrior. When some one calls us pussies while hiding in his basement that doesn’t mean sh$t. It only means that your hatred is weaker than your fear.

Zionism = EVIL

Whatever you say tovarish :)

BL

He’s kike Jew, trust me, I have years of dealing with them online. When they’re openly cursing you while identifying themselves as being from a certain country, you can almost be certain you’re dealing with a coward kike hiding behind a fake identity.

Concrete Mike

Could it be that solomonchik got english lessons??

Tudor Miron

Doesn’t sound like him.

Jens Holm

Why reveal a name. Well next from You will be : All from there are like this.

We have at least several 100 Muhammeds here from different countries being allowed to have different oppinions about it.

Names dont tell, they are from here evenmany are born here as danes and others has taken citicenship by hard work.

Bob

Your comment is off topic and pointless.

Jens Holm

No, its not. We dont see our Muhammeds as foreigners. Many are born here, and We have to add up the ones, which has gained citicenship.

They are Danes.

putinbeater

i called you several dys ago. there is a firm with carstickers in moscow. they called to phone tovarishch tudor miron. he knew nothing about solomon krupacek. so, you are fsb officer, who uses real person name as cover story.

Tudor Miron

You called? :) Now this is really funny. May I ask which number have you called?
Solomoisha, how old are you?

putinbeater

it is forbidden to put here phony number

a called Tudor Motorsport

i am enough old to do effective things

Tudor Miron

Here’s an example +7 903 5184032

putinbeater

moment, i opne my tudor miron fole …

+7 903 259-32-71

i called this one

Tudor Miron

Good, it means that you did call. Thats my old number that I returned to provider more than a year ago. I wonder where have you get it? I will make sure to update numbers on the website no later than tomorrow. Check it out tomorrow and give me a call if you wish. http://www.tudormotorsport.com

Concrete Mike

Cool site, wish i understoond russian

Tudor Miron

Thanks. Sooner or later I plan to have an English version as well.

EnabledVet

AHHH! The Armenian Genocide!

Concrete Mike

The only thing you are is a masterbator

Brother Thomas

Tudor, I recommend not responding to nonsense. As someone observed, the danger of arguing with an idiot is that bystanders begin not to see a difference between the two.

zman

I just block the trash right off. No sense in giving them any sort of platform to spread their sickening crap. The creep is most likely Israeli, hiding behind a fat Turk. Now, why does that seem familiar?

Bob

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Jens Holm

Mark twain said a lot. One was: If You cant see its a women, its not.

Hard times for him in the lands of hijabs and nicaps

Jens Holm

And one for Idlib from Mark Twain.

You have lived well, if the Undertaker cries too.

Vitex

I logged in just to block him.

putinbeater

hey troll, this day has shown, that your technique is stickermastering only :DDD

frankly

Zionism=EVIL

Seems to me that most people would assume since you equate the two that you hate Evil. But psychopaths love evil. So actually reading it as bragging works better in your case. I can’t remember you saying anything that wasn’t evil so that is more evidence.

It would be fun to see you spew your hate at an actual Russian person. Hell I could picture you getting your ass kicked by a little old lady. Utterly, thoroughly trounced!

Alpha&Omega

The Israelis didn’t mainly use them as human shields, they indirectly but deliberately targeted them through an unwilling proxy. It is therefore to be seen as a planned attack on a Russian military plane and all of its crew, who met their fate in a fireball followed by a cold watery grave.
It’s a war declaration against the Russian federation and should be treated accordingly.

Zionism = EVIL

It also shows how inferior Russian AWACS capability is when Zionist 1980’s vintage F-16 can ghost the most modern Russian IL-20 ELINT aircraft undetected. Imagine what US F-35 and F-22 stealth planes can do. US can bomb Moscow at will.

Jens Holm

F16s are less vintage then most things You find in the region.

Very primitive and unqualified statement as well as Israel are veterans in them, have clever airforce systems and hit their targets. You dont know “fast” and “determinated”

Kind of extra strange, You dont mention S400 shot it down.

Zionism = EVIL

The Russian idiots are saying that a Syrian S-200 shot it down, the Russian morons obviously don’t even have basic IFF on their primitive planes. F-16 are relatively basic planes compared to F-18 Hornets even, let alone F-35- F-22 or French Rafales. I flew F-4E for several years so perhaps know more about planes than you do.

Sinbad2

Phantoms were a good plane, like a 65 Mustang.
Why is it that America went from producing really good machinery, to producing rubbish?

Zionism = EVIL

100% correct, the F-4E with its versatile interception and heavy payload has no equal. Look the Iranians how they still use both F-4E and F-14 even without spares. The US 1970’s planes were flying tanks.

zman

Except that they dropped like flies over VN…no cannons and too heavy and slow to ditch AA missiles. They relied on AtA missiles. My brother tended them on Kitty hawk, my neighbor serviced them, my dad did technical upgrades on them and my cousin flew them. I’ve heard all the stories too.

zman

Since you know all about the F-4, what was their nickname?…and I’m not talking about ‘wild weasle’.

Sinbad2

F16’s 1974 technology, great in their day, like an E type Jaguar, America could make good stuff back then, but like Jaguars America now makes unreliable junk.
And that is why the US still uses a 44 year old plane as its main plane.

Zionism = EVIL

F-14 was the best US multi-role fighter of its day followed by the versatile F-4E the workhorse. F-16 is lightweight but in skilled hands can outperform any Russian flying dishwasher. Even an 1980’s Block C Turkish F-16 downed a Russian SU-24 dishwasher with a single AIM-9X 10 miles deep in Syria and then flew away undetected.

Sinbad2

So why are all modern American planes shit?

Zionism = EVIL

There has been a deterioration in US combat planes R&D and budgetary issues. However, when the kinks come out of the F-35 it will rule the skies like the F-18A Hornet can still out-perform any Russian jet. The USN has mothballed all F-14 and many F-4 in Arizona for future conflicts.

zman

When they get the ‘kinks’ out of the F-35CF, it might be fit for use as a carnival ride…as long as they lower their safety protocols. If they attach it to a Ferris Wheel, it’ll see more air time.

Gregory Casey

Budgetary issues? There has NEVER been more money allocated by Congress to the US Military than has been allocated in the past 4-6 years ……. since Republicans took over Congress from January 1 of 2013. What you really mean by “budgetary issues” is the great Military-Industrial Complex rip-off where Defense Contractors have never operated with less oversight and never been so inefficient and downright corrupt. Russia’s and China’s ‘spend’ on their Military is a fraction of US spend yet both Russian & Chinese scientific and technological advances far exceed anything achieved by America. Defense Contractors have never been so bloated and so fat ……… but that is entirely understandable having regard to the fact that the Military-Defense Contractors pour money into the pockets of Republicans running for Congress and for State-Houses much like the last days of Sodom & Gomorrah!!

zman

My god, you are delusional. Who writes your shit? Erdo or Nutsack?

Bob

Correction – that was a calculated NATO-Turkish ambush – the Russian’s certainly did not anticipate a direct NATO-Turkish attack on its warplane inside of Syrian airspace. NATO-Turkey ambushed an unsuspecting Russian aircraft and then ran for safety inside Turkey – and thereafter all NATO warplanes at NATO-Turkish Incirlik air-base shifted to a very reduced flight profile near Syrian-Turkish border area. That NATO-Turkey surprise attack on an unsuspecting Russian aircraft amounted to: ambush, run and hide.

Alpha&Omega

That’s correct. And what was the response from Putin that time? Don’t bother answer, since the answer is: nothing at all. Putin crawled for Erdogan that bragged about shooting down the Russian plane 2015 yesterday, the very same day the Russians got humiliated again.

Concrete Mike

So your saying american planes are better because a f16 ambushed a BOMBER plane at close range??

Fucking zionist puke.

Your ideology is sickening.

VGA

An upgraded F-16 from today is nothing like the first versions of it … there is a reason the israelis have based their very efficient airforce around the F-16. And this incident again proves its versatility.

zman

No, this event just shows their duplicity and morals. The Russians knew the F-16s were there, as they often fly this route, even when not attacking. But they ‘had’ an agreement to not get involved and to be warned of a dangerous situation. The Israelis, being Israelis, reneged on this arrangement. Putin now knows just what the Israelis think of them…just another tool in their arsenal. But they’ll…1) blame the Syrians,…when that doesn’t work…2) it was a terrible mistake, let us pay off the families, or 3) We have a scapegoat, let us punish them. Demote some about to retire general or some such BS. They could have been flying Sopwith Camels and would have done the same thing.

VGA

I was replying to the ignorant person calling the israeli F-16 1974 technology … not much to do with Israeli tactics or duplicity.

Gregory Casey

The deliberate failure of Israeli Defense Forces to notify Russia that its 4 ‘planes were about to launch an attack on Latakia until 1 minute beforehand, at which point those ‘planes were already operating behind the shield of the Russian ‘plane so that Syrian Defences, when firing in response to incoming missile fire, directed missiles towards same area of sky within which was the Russian ‘flight path with Israelis immediately running from the scene and leaving the Russian ‘plane alone in the sky onto which the S-200 ‘locked-on’ ensured that S-200 Defensive ‘strikes locked on to the only target left in the air ……. and that unfortunately was the Russian flight ………. a target operating at significantly lesser speeds than the 4 Israeli jets and not designed for the taking of evasive action.

putinbeater

and still ovwerwhelmed the bestest russian systems :DD

Tudor Miron

Jens spreading BS as he usually does. That was Syrian S-200.

Sinbad2

They are everywhere, seems like hasbara are at action stations.
Israel must be worried.

zman

Yes, when Israel launches an attack, they use all vectors…including their Brainless Brigade(we call them hasbara).

putinbeater

oh boy, you, tumor, jesus are pzivj are always full your mouth with bullshit about superior russian weapons. according to you s200 is enough against f35 :DDD

tzoday you gat answer. bitter, hard, but as i know you, you will write the same bullshits.

Zionism = EVIL

Correct, Syrian S-200 have been upgraded by the Iranians to their Sayyed 2(Hunter) level and integrated with a basic radar network. Russian radars have always been their weakness. The MIG -21 their delusional equal to a US F-4 did not even have all weather or night flying instrument capability. The Chinese even improved the MIG-21 with their Chengdu F-7 air-guard with Grifo Italian radars. Russian planes are primitive. India has crashed over 200 MIGS and Sukhois including the “best” SU-27. The RD-33 burns out.

Jens Holm

Sorry. The important should be some Syrians shot a Russian airplane down or not. It did.

next of course is the reason for it.

Not a single here has told, it might be uqualified Syrian military skills. They probatly nver has heard about it…

putinbeater

and? perfect ruskie technique. :DDDD

putinbeater

by syrians operated original russian s-200, connetcted together with russian AA/AD systems

ruskies are joke of planet :DDD

Brother Thomas

Well – I don’t think there should be any actions based purely on outrage and indignation, no bait swallowed. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Alpha&Omega

There will be no revenge, neither warm nor cold, only more attacks on Syria and more humiliation for Putin and Russia. Just like with a school bully, the more shown weakness, the worse the abuse. USrael are the bully and Russia the bullied that even the friends start to avoid.

There is no excuse for Putin’s weak response and pathetic speech today. It’s plain embarrassing, especially for us that once had our trust and faith in him.

Gregory Casey

Agreed. Stone-heartedly cold!!

Zionism = EVIL

Slavs have always been cannon fodder.

Stevart

yes, but they have lots of fodder to lose. THAT has always been the fatal thinking of all armies that have been stupid enough to poke the bear. BE WARNED STUPID!

Zionism = EVIL

The bear is drunk and shitting in the woods. Get real tovarish na zdorovie.

Stevart

Good luck with your Slavic fodder. Maybe you can wow them with your humor.

Concrete Mike

Fuccking duh a bear shits in the woods, fucking dumbass. Its not like they come into town to shit on our cars.

Fucking dipshit

Brother Thomas

In the eyes of the West.

krizantem

If Russian MoD is true then Israel has lost any credibility for Russia for taking the Russian plane as cover and letting Russians know the attack within a minute before it starts. From now on any Israel attack on Syrian soil must be met not only by SAD but also RAD systems. Russia must clearly point it out to Israel. Russia can use this tragic event as a leverage to prevent the future attacks of Israel. Otherwise Russia will loose credibility and relative dominance they had in Syria.

Free man

Russia and Israel have no interest in confronting each other.
Israel will have to compensate Russia.

Felix D (TUPPERWARE PARTY)

Krizantem is correct. It is Russia that will “compensate” Israel.

Free man

Russia prefers Israel as an ally, not as an enemy.

Daniel Miller

but they will still retaleate so yea.

Free man

That’s what a man like you would do. This is not what Putin will do. He will get from Netanyahu the maximum possible for this event.

Daniel Miller

Russia has killed IDF troops before m8 dont think they wont do it again.

Alpha&Omega

Good luck with that.

Joe

More like dare not not prefer not

Alpha&Omega

It seems that