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DECEMBER 2022

Russia, Ukraine Sign Grain Export Deal Brokered by UN and Turkey

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Russia, Ukraine Sign Grain Export Deal Brokered by UN and Turkey

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The US played no part in brokering the deal but said it would hold Russia “accountable” for implementing it

Originally published on AntiWar

Ukraine and Russia signed a deal Friday to release an estimated 22 million tons of wheat and other crops, allowing Ukrainian grain to be exported, which will be supervised by Turkey and the United Nations.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres attended the signing ceremony, with Russia represented by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Ukraine by the Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Oleksandr Kubrakov, who signed the deal separately with Turkey and the UN.

Turkey first announced the tentative deal last week after hosting talks between Russia, Ukraine, and the UN. Under the agreement, Ukrainian vessels would guide ships in and out of Ukraine’s heavily mined ports, and Russia would agree not to attack the area while shipments were moving.

Turkey’s role will be to inspect ships leaving Ukrainian ports for smuggled arms, and Istanbul would have the support of the UN for the mission. UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres is expected to be in Istanbul on Friday for the signing of the deal.

Turkey has emerged as a broker between Russia and Ukraine and has been calling for a negotiated solution to end the war, unlike the US and other NATO members that have shown little interest in diplomacy.

Despite having no involvement in the brokering of the grain deal, the US said Thursday that it will hold Russia “accountable” to see that it’s implemented.

The Russian and Ukrainian authorities have committed themselves not to targetting merchant ships, civilian vessels, and the ports, but it is reported that the Ukrainians have not sought any specific security guarantees.

A senior UN official said the Russians had kept their word when a deal was made to evacuate the Ukrainian city of Mariupol and the embattled steel factory Azovstal earlier this year, so they expect the Russians would uphold the current agreement.

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Max Schmidt

“The US played no part in brokering the deal”, so basically it will work. Much respect to wannabee Sultan Erdogan and Weed smoking Guterres.

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Viktor

Yeah I can’t decide if this is a brilliant diplomatic move , or a terrible one..

AM Hants

Ditto.

rex

The second one. The treacherous neonazis and their western masters will use the ships to smuggle weapons into ukronazistan. The russians will block some of those ships and all hell will break loose.

Erdogan and Guterres will lose face and the yankees will show again their ugly face.

Pamfil Military Academy

101% probability.

jens holm

Im sure Russia will have controllers for that.

It seemes You only has the Russian propganda version of us. UN is ignored too.

Thats why we dont want Russia to be members of the rest of the world. They are not to rely in.

paul

BREAKING NEWS:

7 Russian missiles have just hit the port of Odessa.

Last edited 4 months ago by paul
Mehmet Iglu

Kiev: Several Russian missiles hit the major port of Odessa in southern Ukraine on Saturday, the Ukrainian military said, dealing a blow to a deal signed on Friday to unblock grain exports from Black Sea ports.

The landmark deal signed by Moscow and Kiev in Turkey which is facing grain shortage and bread lines on Friday is seen as crucial to curbing soaring global food prices, easing a supply crunch by allowing certain exports to be shipped from Black Sea ports including Odessa. It appears that Ukraine was not living up to its part to demine the harbors.

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jens holm

I see the Russian makes a symbolic threat. Ukras must not be too happy. There is a price.

jens holm

At least they this tme try to hit important facilities. Thats an improvement.

AM Hants

Yeah, according to CNN they have to be Russian. Now remind me who mined the port of Odessa and who was saying if anything goes wrong they will blame Russia. No facts, just false flags, as usual.

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Ukrainian HIMARS missiles just hit the port of Odessa.

jens holm

Yes. 2 sharp sides

jorge

The US already don’t exist, so there will be no any more deal with a dead body to think about.

Retired Troll

This is also a peace message by the Ukrainian Slavs that they want peace with Russia and reintegration with Mother Russia. The deal is more extensive than reported as it also includes Russian supplies of fertilizers and other agricultural goods. The US and UK lapdogs look like kicked eunuchs as Turkey a NATO vassal organized this deal as its people are starving with 120% inflation, bread lines and 40% unemployment. A big win for Russia and its humane diplomacy.

James

Russia is flush with cash, given that its export revenues from oil and gas are through the roof. Russia’s central bank is therefore cutting interest rates, while a bankrupt battered Ukraine is hiking in a desperate attempt to ward off devaluation and currency crisis. Russia is winner on all fronts.

jens holm

They will given all needed money whatever they are made by loans or gifts.

We are not You

NATO is laughing at you

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paul

Port of Odessa is now in ruins…hahahhahahahhaha

Hans rauss

Nope, two missiles has been destroyed by air def and two hit port. Not big deal

jens holm

Tempting with a haha from me too.

They dont understand we do have a lot of support. Russia in so many ways is no part of the planet and even deny to be.

Jens Assholm

Russia is ~1/7 of this planets landmass you braindead imbecile from tiny shitty pimple banana-republic owned by Yanks, whatever you call that vassal statelet Dumbark or something. Not much bananas there, only monkeys like you.

Now crawl back to planet Uranus where you dumb turd belong.

jens holm

I see none of that. Its correct Ukraine need any income, they can get.

But its much more important, that many poor parts of the world has food. Many laready are hit by high fossile prices as well.

West can and will decline. They cant. Shri Lanka right now is the best example. Many parts of the Shri Lanka problems are made by their own very bad governess.

The worst stupidity is forbidden import of ertilizer to lower the import. By that they have made much less food then ever. No normal cant see that.

Reduced import can make sense but not for vitals. It also makes no sence they has used soldiers to remove some few demonstrators. Those demonstraters represent millions being tricked by that kind of total malfuction.

Shri lanka has showed well, that a greedy family business clan is no solution.

Jens Assholm

Monkey you see nothing coz your eyes are full of Yankee semen and your head is deep inside Joe’s rectum.

Leland

Today, Russia has given guarantees that it will not attack Odessa from the sea for 120 days, so that Ukraine can sell its grain and other goods by sea.

And here is the news that appeared immediately after that:

– The United States did not transfer aircraft to Ukraine, but only helps with spare parts for existing aviation – Pentagon

– The United States does not intend to provide Ukraine with ATACMS missiles (range up to 300 km), Biden’s national security aide said.

– Possible supply of US fighter jets to Ukraine is not considered in the near future – White House

— The United States and allies need Russian oil supplies to world markets, otherwise prices for it will rise again

— Lithuania resumed transit between Russia and the Kaliningrad region

Lol doesn’t mean Russia won’t attack from land A win win situation for Russia

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None of these “news” has anything to do with this treaty. Russia gave concessions and gained nothing in return whatsoever. US wont give jets to Ukraine because they are too expensive, they need months to train pilots, and they will be shot down easily. They’ll give them ATACMS eventually.

Michel LeBlanc

Are you stupid? Ukraine has to demine odessa and its approches.

Russia can sell its wheat and fertlizer and other produce.

Win win if you ask me.

CentralAsianStudies

To be clear, you missed out on the notion that should attacks against Russian forces from Odessa, Russia reserved the right to retaliate. Should weapons be smuggled through ships, Russia will retaliate and/or seize ships and cargo. In the end it is a win win situation

James

US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and Joint Chiefs General Mark Milley said at a joint press conference that sending Iranian-made drones to Russia for use in Ukraine would prolong this conflict. This house nigger is really crazy….ROFLMAO!

ivan

for trial, where capabilities in real battlefield situation with top notch technicians will be honed for the fight against the idolatrous ethnic chauvinist state entity in palestine

James

Ukraine has collapsed and only the Anglos and Jews want the bloodshed to continue. Kill Zelensky and all AFU will surrender.

jens holm

I see no anglos and jews in this. Ukras has not collapsed at all.

Their problems are showed respect and we help them against the Russian invasion and paranoia.

Yuri

With what troops lalaland Steiner? 🤣 Russia is already using 85% of its entire joke army… Turkey is already jumping on syria, azerbeijan threatning armenia again, kazakstan is giving the finger to Pudin… Soon Georgia and moldova Will settle their separatist problem. All for what? They can not even take the donbas 😅🤣😂

What a joke

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AM Hants

Yeah, so says CNN. President Putin ‘We ain’t even started yet’. I know who I believe. Meanwhile how many Ukrainians have signed up for Russian passports and how much of Ukraine has shrunk?

Talking of Georgia, how long did it take them to beg for a ceasefire when they got a Russian escort home, back in 2008. Was it 3 hours?

jens holm

It makes no sence to only use CNN. There are several others. None represent or are owned by the US Goverment. You also has to add a lot of other sources.

By that the future and be predicted just as that. The Russians decide too.

I think I recall about 1 millions now has double passparts(of about 8 mio). Thats an agreement. Many more has (temporary) fled from. Some even has arrived to West havig no hopes in East. I dint know the numbr of them. It might be very few. It might be true but also good propaganda.

Florian Geyer

Very well said, AM.

Time will be the arbiter of the conflict with NATO and its proxy ISIS 2.0 Ukie terror gangs who have been deliberately murdering and abusing ethnic Russians all over Ukraine since 2014.

Slava Rossiya.

AM Hants

Thank you Florian. I hope all is well with you.

Slava Rossiya.

ivan

all the while the jew led ethnic chauvinists are dying in droves while the draft dodgers are dreaming better days, good Russian leadership and of insurgency.

jens holm

How can You even nelieve numbers like that by propaganda. There are less then 1 mio nazis there and less then 100.000 Jews.

Where are the rest??? Thast W.R. in ignorance and blindfoldness.

Hans rauss

24.02 usa said that they will never provide himars to ukraine, . Now russian ammo depots and radars being destroyed everyday by himars. Atacms is already in ukraine and is waiting for sign from usa….stay tuned.

,,U.S. Considers Supplying Ukraine With Fighter Jets, White House Says ”

This is what white house says. By end of this years you can expect first f15 and f16 huntying down russian terrorists :D

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jens holm

Others things are changed too. You ignore that. Russia has made that gliding.

It has made a big diffrende to me, that the Ukras has given much more the symbolic resistence then many expected – and are able to.

So far Úkra has got the last Eastern European jets, whic exist. When the might be gone, they have to have replacements. It goes for the rest of their stuff.

AM Hants

Evidence that HIMARS are destroying Russian ammo depots and radars, or just some Ukrainian spokes person said?

In the meantime, many videos of Ukrainian Ammo. storage facilities turning into a firework display. Plus, is it true the US HIMARS cannot use switchblades, owing to Russian electrical jammers? How many HIMARS have Ukraine sold to Russia and how many have been taken out, courtesy the marvelous Russian led firework displays?

jens holm

Sober inf. Tks

Retired Troll

Ukrainian Slavs are tired of a lost war and want reintegration with Russia. This deal was signed with out the Jew scum Zelensky. However, the Anglo-Zionists are angry after Russia destroyed all their Himars junk and the Americunt loser assholes are sending another 4 Himars to replace the ones toasted by Russia. Zelensky and the Jew cabal must be eliminated ASAP for peace to return to Russian Ukraine.

The White House has announced that the United States will send an additional $270m in weapons assistance to Ukraine, a package that will include more medium-range Himar rocket systems and tactical drones. These weapons are being rushed to replace the four Himars destroyed by Russia.

The new emergency package includes four High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS and will allow Kiev regime to acquire up to 580 Phoenix Ghost drones, both crucial weapon systems that have been used to shell Russian populated areas of Ukraine. The latest weapons are part of the $40 billion weapons package and also includes some 36,000 rounds of artillery ammunition and additional ammunition for the HIMARS.

AM Hants

The only thing the above is good for is yet another mega firework display.

Also, the US are going to spend another $2 million (US) on yet more Russian Media Disinformation. Not sure how that is going to work, with Russian TV up and running in Eastern Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine switching off Ukraine TV.

The UK Foreign Office, funds Statecraft/Integrity Initiative/Belingcat/Open Information Society and a lot more, set up to promote Russian Media Disinformation. So many on these sites, get their monthly pay cheques from the UK Foreign Office, to spread propaganda, against Russia and in support of Liz Truss and her bid for Prime Minister. They answer to the Foreign Secretary.

UK Defence Budget, hands over a lot of it’s budget to support the 77th Squadron, again aimed at pure Russian Media Disinformation.

Then you have the BBC, which is publicly financed, but, also financed by the same crowd that heavily invests in the Clinton Foundation, such as the Bill Gates Foundation and friends. Same crowd that also fund The White Helmets, together with so many of the Governments that have their own branch of the Joint Investigative Mechanism of the OPCW.

That is the UK funding of Russian Media Disinformation. Then you look at the US Funding, NATO Funding, Atlantic Council Funding, and the funding from the G7 members and those nations who fund the White Helmets, who invest in Russian Disinformation Programmes and Trolls.

In the meantime, they all whinge, whine and moan, that Russia spends a modest amount of money funding their state broadcaster Russia Today. I wonder why the G7 members and the EU are freaking out, because Russia has closed down the bio-weapon labs in Ukraine, and the black market export system, running from Odessa. How long has Zelinsky got, before his military take him out?

Florian Geyer

Odessa has been a smuggling route for many hundreds of years, as we know. The jewish mafia control much of Odessa.

Slava Rossiya

AM Hants

One of the reasons it will be bliss when it is under Russian control. It says a lot, with regards the post Maidan Governors of Odessa. Saakashvili – and what was the connection between his wife and the Dr, who specialised in organ harvesting? Not forgetting Kolomoisky, the Head of the Urkaine’s European Community, who also funded the Nazi ‘Azov’ Battalion. Why do Zionists work so closely with the Nazis? Both Kolomoisky and Soros, and both of them were mentors for the Zionist Comedian, who went on to become the President of Ukraine.

Have they managed to block up the ‘Odessa black market tunnels’ that led all over the place?

jens holm

I see none of that. We in west see none of that. You are in limit propaganda version only.

Russains hasnt destroyd their Himars and they are no junk as well.

Jens Assholm

Yeah you see nothing, stop repeating your moronic garbage you autistic chimpanzee: we already know you have no eyes or brain or spine or balls or any working human organ in your comatose monkey body.

hunter bidé lab pork !

weed smoking gutoores ( its dumber than greta the pig protipute !! and hes bigger bolchevic digital lgtb PEDO prostipute ) maybe digital drugs in the anus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Donnchadh

“The US played no part in the deal “-Max you must know the US OWNS the UN -said it many times -it wont last.Remember the Bridge & Hydropower station struck by HIMARS missiles -by the “Ukrainian forces ” –WRONG ! its been revealed AMERICAN troops are in Ukraine and its THEM who are operating the missile launchers – to me that would be -WW 3.So called “US ” specialists ” -aka- US Military.

ivan

This is why we have leaders and surround them with able advisors.

United ‘states’. United ‘nations’. New world/New Atlantis/Fortress America.

People don’t know their arses from a hole in the ground

Pamfil Military Academy

Correct.

jorge

Accountable it’s an interesting word, for example, 500 years of Occidental European colonization must be punished and made accountable, and all the pieces of stolen land, and all the suffering, and all the people killed must be returned, or payed their descendants in goods for compensation. Lets go Haiti, begin the process, as Toussaint Louverture.

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Karl Pomeroy

There isn’t a square foot of earth that wasn’t stolen from someone. You only own what you can defend.

jorge

So, good luck to you defending your stolen land, with some owned slaves, no?

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antarctica….

Leland

Today, Russia has given guarantees that it will not attack Odessa from the sea for 120 days, so that Ukraine can sell its grain and other goods by sea.

And here is the news that appeared immediately after that:

– The United States did not transfer aircraft to Ukraine, but only helps with spare parts for existing aviation – Pentagon

– The United States does not intend to provide Ukraine with ATACMS missiles (range up to 300 km), Biden’s national security aide said.

– Possible supply of US fighter jets to Ukraine is not considered in the near future – White House

— The United States and allies need Russian oil supplies to world markets, otherwise prices for it will rise again

— Lithuania resumed transit between Russia and the Kaliningrad region

Lol doesn’t mean Russia won’t attack from land A win win situation for Russia

a passer by

I would not be so sure about that…

dj dd

What is the duration time of this deal? Or is it an endless time deal whereby Russia as always has played weak diplomacy when it mattered most? According to this article, Russia is not a party to the inspection of the Ukrainian ships – leaving it to Turkey and the UN. We all know that UN tows the line of the US and Turkey is supportive of Ukraine and can play dirty game here.

In nutshell, this looks like another bad diplomacy from Russian side. Remember the Pulling out of Kiev, Chernigov and Summy regions of Russian forces after another bad diplomacy in Turkey?

This war is going on today because of that pull out. Had Russia stayed around Kiev and continued attacking and choking Kiev, Agreement would have been signed long time ago.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of traitors in Russia and that is hindering their progress in the battlefields as well.

How come that British intelligence knows everything going on in Russian military planning as far as the war in Ukraine is concerned? Most of their intelligence assessments have come out to be true. I haven’t heard for once that Russian military is ever concerned about these leaks.

Ukraine , on the other hand, reacts accordingly by sacking and arresting people they suspect are the bad apples.

This terrible diplomatic deal is another step towards loosing this war.

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jorge

Nice try, Shlomo.

Leonard

Unfortunately I have to agree. Russia always succumbs to these pressures. The Congress of Berlin 1878. Russia fought a bloody war against Turkey but when they finally won (more difficult than expected thanks to western weapons, deja vu someone?) the united West forced them into a bad peace treaty. Cuban missile crisis is even more familiar.

IMO this is another such situation and I just hope it’s not a prelude to another bad peace treaty. It doesn’t matter if USA was directly involved or not: if Kiev accepted it than Washington approved it. Zelensky doesn’t go to his toilet without CIA approval. This treaty slightly improves Russian reputation with UN, third world countries and Turkey but otherwise it’s a bad move for multiple reasons.

1) Why helping bankrupt Ukr. economy? They gain money. You gain what? Their “goodwill”??! Some little positive PR (mostly ignored by Western MSM anyway)? Not worth it.

2) Why trusting Turkey to control these ship while Turkey still supplying Ukr. with drones? How they can control “weapons smuggling” when they are smuggling weapons? Literally smuggling, other NATO countries do it openly.

3) Ukr can stage an attack on its own ship and blame Russia. I would be surprised it they don’t.

4) Ukr. can use these convoys to establish garrison on Snake isl. and who knows for what else. In military terms it only complicates Russian naval and air operations in the Black sea and make eventual offensive on Odessa even more problematic. If Russia even consider it anymore.

Again, every nation in the world use naval blockades against its enemies, especially UK and USA. They are molesting other countries even when they are not in war! So why limit your own options? Russia again and again fights this war with one hand tied behind its back. Not just this war, too many half-measures and rotten compromises since 2013. (including Minsk agreements, we already know how Kiev (dis)respect their treaties)

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Citizenfitz

You made some good points. It certainly deserves more recs. Perhaps in the future we’ll learn that Putin was all along playing his cards like a boss. But for now… he seems a bit thick.

Leland

You know absolutely nothing lol

WT Baker

so now all Russia need do is watch as escorted vessels leave Ukraine ports to know safe route. Mines don’t move, ships do

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helen

Mines do move (they float away after storms etc) which is why the merchant ships couldn’t leave Mariupol after Ukraine mined the waters of the Black Sea.

Disinfo

Russia should start its offensive for Odessa now, lol!

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Karl Pomeroy

Turkey can be trusted to inspect the ships? I thought Turkey was part of NATO … ? Oh, that’s right! Turkey plays all sides.

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Turkey can’t be trusted about anything.

James

Turks are starving and wanted grain. Their deadbeat economy has collapsed.

jorge

Shlomo, the forest isn’t a tree. Try to begin another time to think, you are becoming very stupid.

rex

They have a huge interest to have wheat at sustainable prices. The sultan is evil, not stupid. By yes, the ukrops and their masters will try to smuggle weapons. And this will let the turks and the un to lose face.

7-even-N-6

Many of the people who are Pro-Russia are currently confused and probably upset at this development because they distrust Turkey but in reality they are unable to see “the big picture”. Russia is currently conducting what I have decided to label a STPO or a Special Trifecta Political Operation and Putin is using Turkey as the protagonist nation in order to inflict maximum damage on the U.S. the EU and NATO. I labeled it a trifecta operation because this operation will serve three main objectives that can only be accomplished in sequential order, one at a time. The first objective is almost complete and that is Turkey becoming a member of BRICS. As soon as Turkey joins BRICS, the U.S. and the EU will lose their means of control as they will no longer be able to subjugate Turkey by means of economic extortion. Turkey will now fall into Russia and China’s sphere of economic influence. China will have the pleasure of hammering the last nail in the coffin by rewarding Turkey with a very important and lucrative role in China’s massive Silk Road Initiative. Turkey is practically “Middle Earth” geographically in the perfect location right in the center of the globe where billions of dollars worth of goods will pass through Turkey from east to west north and south. The secondary goal of the STPO is for Turkey to leave NATO. After Turkey officially scraps NATO the third and final objective will be reached because Turkey will have no choice in this regard. Peace negotiations will finally be carried out between Syria, turkey, the Kurds and Iraq. Russia, Iran and China will broker the peace negotiations. This was the main reason why Russia, Iran and Turkey met a few days ago in Tehran. In my sincere opinion this type of complex and delicate political balancing act is only coming to fruition because of Putin’s vision, pragmatism, and his fair and balanced approach to international world affairs. When Turkish rebels shot down the Russian jets, Putin was castigated by his own followers for not reacting with an iron fist. When Turkey attacks northern Syria again they pass the harshest judgement on Russia and Putin for not retaliating against Turkey. Putin has the power to punish and crush Turkey overnight. All he has to do is give the green light to shut off the flow of Russian gas and oil to Turkey and the economy of Turkey will implode and collapse. That would only transform the government of Turkey and an additional 86 million Turks into rabid and permanent pro-NATO, pro-EU, Russophobes. Instead Putin had much bigger plans for Turkey and as we speak Turkey is well on its way to becoming a BRICS member, the U.S. is about to lose its influence over Turkey and practically the entire middle east and NATO and the EU are soon going to lose one of their biggest armies. Most important of all I see peace on the horizon for the people of Syria who have endured years of endless war.

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Vanya

All the obvious failures are clever ploys. It is all 4d chess, just like with the failed Trump regime.

7-even-N-6

Trump was controlled opposition from day 1, a traitor to the American people and a complete Israeli puppet. Trump’s number one contributor was the zionist billionaire Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson.

Sylvain

Consequently to this Eurasian integration, I hope that France will suffer big economical damages for a while in order to clean and solve many things here.

Anyway, working people will surpass the economical difficulties here: they just have to level up their vote for the good people. Many internal reforms have to be done.

I don’t talk about UE because we vote NO to UE in 2005 so it does not exist for me.

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7-even-N-6

What you wrote in my view is correct and logical. I will add that the people of France are very innovative and productive, besides Germany I think France is the nation that is the most productive in western Europe. I will also include the fact that historically there are nations that have a propensity to recover and pick themselves up from the ashes or from heavy economic hardship such as China, Japan, Germany, Russia and I will definitely include France. Some nations never recover, I won’t give examples because its not necessary. The United States will go through the same thing France will once the Petrodollar collapses except the U.S. has an abundance of natural resources, gas, oil etc. so we have the potential to become a very self-sufficient and productive, affluent nation that focuses on its OWN citizens instead of spending all of our wealth and energy meddling in foreign affairs and toppling governments throughout the world. I think America has a much greater problem than France at the moment and that problem is America is no longer a country made up of “United States”. We are so fractured and divided as a nation that at this point it is my sincere opinion that America cannot continue in its current configuration. The only logical solution is for America to split into two nations. That is a topic which will take too long to explain in a paragraph or two but I think more and more Ameircans are coming to the realization. The only thing I will say about this process of splitting America is that the process will not involve violence or war rather it will be agreed upon and welcomed by the citizens.

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AM Hants

I tried to reply to you, but, algorhythms said no.

When I looked at Erdogan’s face, it said so much. He does not look a happy bunny, in discussions. Yet, when you look at the talks in Iran, you could see the positive body language of President Putin and the spiritual and non-spiritual leaders of Iran. With regards the deal with the UN, Turkey, Russia and Ukraine, it does not make sense, owing to the back stabbing, but, I am sure the Russian Defence Secretary fully understands and knows each and every trick that the other side would try to lay down.

Then go back in time to 1936, and the Treaty that was signed. The history behind that Treaty and the fact that every time Turkey trusted team US and UK, it never worked out well. The Treaty was designed to save Turkey from those two friends.

Another thing that I found interesting, was back in 1974 and the Cypriot section of Operation Gladio and Kissinger. Whose idea was it for Cyprus to be partitioned? Then check out what they wanted to give to Turkey, courtesy of Cyprus, back prior to Turkstream entering active service and what they planned following the creation of Turkstream. Why did Kissinger state : ‘Who controls Crete, Cyprus and Malta controls the world’? Remember Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pryatt and the ‘F U E U’ phone call. The same Geoffrey Pryatt who left Ukraine and went to join Crete as the US Ambassador to Crete.

Google what US had planned for Cyprus and Turkey, pre and post Turkstream

Google this title and it should take you to the article: Obama, Kissinger and Nuland: Cyprus 1974 – Cyprus 2017

Over on Dances With Bears, John Helmer Site, post Turkstream, you can find this article:

‘THE SECOND CYPRUS PARTITION – AMERICAN PROMISES VERSUS TURKISH ARMS VERSUS RUSSIAN MONEY AND MISSILES…’

7-even-N-6

I am familiar with some of what you wrote but not everything. I’ve heard of that article, def a good read though thanks and it is relevant to what is happening now.

AM Hants

I do find some of the old articles are more relevant now, than they were at the time of publication. Even then they were good.

Don’t think Kissinger expected Russia and China to team up, especially with Iran joining the club, back when Operation was up and running, under his management.

Is it still Iran, Cuba and North Korea who have kept a certain family bank out of the nation?

AM Hants

The 1936 Treaty, was what kept kicking my comment out. Montreux and check out the history of it, as it was devised owing to City of London and Washington DC back stabbing Turkey and for Turkey’s security and defence.

helen

First of all, you wrote “US Ambassador to Crete”, when you meant “Greece”. When he became the ambassador, he succesfully threw out of the country the Russian diplomats who were working against North Macedonia joining NATO.

Second, whoever controls Cyprus, Crete, Malta and the Gibraltar straits controls the Mediterannean, and they’re all in the hands of the USA/UK.

Third, Turkey wanted part of Cyprus because of the land’s strategic value and the USA accommodated Turkey in 1974 because Kissinger considered it to be a more important strategic ally than Greece (that was totally against a Turkish occupation of Cyprus) due to his “Israel-Egypt-Turkey” dogma for East Mediterannean. Today, Cyprus (the non-occupied part) is home to a very large number of Russians.

Turkey will never leave NATO. It will delay as much as possible its involvement in a military action by NATO against Russia, but if a military action takes place, Turkey will join it and act against Russia because their geopolitical objectives are total opposite and because Russia will definitely lose in such a war. (I’m very sorry to write this, but it’s a fact – Europe and Russia will be destroyed in a nuclear war, but the USA and Israel won’t in their entirety)

AM Hants

Bad me, saying Geoffrey Pryatt was the US Ambassador to the Greek Island of Crete. When he is the Ambassador of Greece, which incorporates Crete, where he was based. So I will go and sit on the naughty step for such a major error.

Remind me, when he threw out the Russian Diplomats, who were working in Macedonia, was it with the blessing of the people of Macedonia? Did the people wish to join NATO or just the corrupt politicians?

Remind me, but, did I not quote Kissinger with regards ‘Who controls Crete, Cyprus and Malta, controls the World and did I mention Gibraltar’? Let alone state anything about the Mediterannean?

By the way, I am sure Greece would be heavily cheesed off to know, according to you, that Crete is under the control of the US and UK. It is a Greek Island.

Malta, has been a British Protectorate, since the 19th century. Cyprus, signed the Treaty of Independence with the UK, back in 1960, hence the two British Bases, in Northern Cyprus, are classed a part of British Sovereignty (just the bases). Turkey occupies Southern Cyprus and it was all part of part of Operation Paperclip and designed by Kissinger. Gibraltar, which I did not include, has been a colony of Great Britain for the past 300 plus years, has it not?

Remind me, but, wasn’t Kissinger a close colleague of Allen Dulles, who set up ‘Operation Paperclip’ and was the first Director of the CIA. Getting the sack, and then he went on to create the Atlantic Council and wasn’t he a Knight of Malta? Allen Dulles, Henry Kissinger and ‘Operation Gladio’. Quite interesting the Turkish Chapter, including the occupation of Cyprus.

With regards Turkey never leaving NATO, that is NATOs worst nightmare, for Turkey to leave, owing to strategic value. However, Turkey is sniffing around BRICS and possibly interested in joining it. Turkey, a Dialogue Partner of the Shanghai Corporation Union and also isn’t Turkey interested in joining the Eurasian Union, specifically to team up with Russia and Kazakhstan? Forming some type of triangle of the three nations? The EU have been dangling a carrot to Turkey, for the past 2 decades, whilst laughing at the nation. Guess they are bored and can see NATO, EU and the G7 nations are declining nations and on their way out. What is in it for Turkey to stay aligned to them, when BRICS and friends have so much more to offer?

Hans rauss

hahahahahahaha 5D chess by russia, just like kiev :D There is a lot of wishfull thinkink. Remember that nato and west ,,collapsing” since 1990 in russian propaganda ;)

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7-even-N-6

Oh you mean propaganda like when your idol Biden said the Ruble has been turned to rubble? Or propaganda like your homegirl Van Der Liar when she said the sanctions against Russia will leave the Russian economy in ruins. Or maybe the propaganda by your favorite clown BOJO when he guaranteed to his people that “Ukraine will defeat Russia”. Look at him now applying for a job in the London circus as England’s most beloved ass clown.

helen

I don’t believe this plan will come to fruition because the USA and their allies remain the ones who decide the world’s fate and they’ll sooner have NATO attack Russia than let Turkey leave NATO.

7-even-N-6

You are referring to the world as it was before February 24th, 2022. The world is a very different place now helen. If the U.S. was omnipotent like you say then Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt would have never been allowed to apply for BRICS membership. All empires rise and fall and the U.S. empire is collapsing and fast. Change is the only constant in this beautiful and mysterious thing we call life.

AM Hants

You do know that Saudi has dumped the $US, when selling their oil? So where does that leave the US, with over $30 trillion national (ignoring domestic debt) to pay back? They are seriously in the brown stuff and in desperate need of a major war to bail them out.

It is not what the US wants now is it? Nobody takes the call, when Biden is phoning and when he turns up, they openly laugh to his face, apart from the G7 WEF Graduates.

Yuri

childish stupefied amerikants cannot comprehend cooperation and trust—primitive and uncivilized they only cooperate w lgbt…this will succeed if amerikants are excluded

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GoldenBoy

It was 13 million tons of corn and less than 7 million tons of wheat

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StormCloudsGathering

Leonard Don’t agree at all, you people are making it sound like Russia had a chance of successfully putting Kiev under full siege, there’s a couple million people living in Kiev, it would take at least a few hundred thousand or so Russian troops fully surrounding Kiev to actually pressure it into submission in the manner that you described. In reality, Russia never had a chance of taking the city with around 70,000-80,000 troops surrounding Kiev compared to a couple million people and with an incomplete siege because they never had the city fully surrounded either, this either means the Russians are inept and forgot to have far more ground troops surrounding the city into submission properly or it was a deliberate tactic to cut off Ukraine from deploying more ground troops to the east in Donbass to bog down Russia more than they already were.

Now, you also said Ukraine can use these garrisons to establish a presence on snake island to complicate things for the Russian navy? If Ukraine is actually dumb enough to put troops on snake island this would be a huge boon for the Russians since they can easily firebomb the fuck of those Ukraine troops like the sitting ducks that they are.

It’s so easy at this point to prove that Ukraine is losing in all of this, they’re in a permanent debt trap because they’ll never be able to pay back the U.S. for the tens of billions of dollars in weaponry they got from them and NATO, Ukraine has also lost so many ground troops by now that they’re literally doing forced drafts for women too, Zelensky a couple days ago also suspended high ranking officials in Ukraine’s government for collaborating with Russia, you know it’s bad when even the U.S. media is reporting this, Russia destroyed up to 300 Ukrainian nationalists called the “Black Hundred” in a recent high precision missile strike in the Donetsk People’s Republic, sorry but I’m highly skeptical of this bullshit proposition that you have presented here, thank you kindly.

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Leonard

I never said anything about Kiev, that was dd or what was his name. I see my comment was removed not sure why, it was vastly better than average comments here… so there’s no point of replying to you either, it will be censored again. But I’ll repeat this just in case: no sane person believes Turkey to control ships for smuggled arms while Turkey itself is smuggling arms/drones into Ukraine.

Perhaps you or a moderator or anyone could tell me: what exactly Russia gain here? Ukraine got money and another route to import weapons. Turkey got diplomatic prestige. Russia got only obligations. Bravo I guess?

maharaja

agreed its not a win it was a bad idea. Russia has an odd obsession in trying to prove its the “good guy” and it shoots itself in the foot over and over to prove it. It should have come with a hammer and finished the job. Win then tell what ever story you want? The only thing that comes to mind where it could factor is trying to get some infighting going in NATO but thats a stretch ! Its the same as selling oil to Germany and Italy etc while they send weapons ti kill Russians. Or the belief in the sacred cow of Crimea …..oh they better not dare attack Crimea or all hell will break lose! As rockets hit Belgorod and kursk daily. Its just a mess with no known goals…..un-aimed arrow never miss I guess?

Viktor

Spot on. Two years ago when Yankees were stealing medical supplies from Italy only Russia sent help. A few years ago only Russia sent help to Greece to fight forest fires. Not to mention countries like Bulgaria and Romania liberated from Turks, or Czechia liberated from Nazis. Again and again Russia is helping these ungrateful cunts only to be betrayed and backstabbed by the west and their vassal minions.

Vanya

The term inept sums up the special operation very well.

AM Hants

Which is why Ukraine is shrinking by the day and the actions of Azov is being exposed on the international stage. Not forgetting those bio-weapon labs that Russia took out, over in Ukraine. Now what was that all about?

Never mind, the US is adding another $2 million (US) to their Russian Media Disinformation Budget, so taking off the 10% to the Big Guy and 75% to the oligarchs, there should be enough to pay your July monthly bonus.

.!.

The term retard sums up you very well. You must be that hans muhamad troll with another gay nick, this time female/tranny.

Mari

Alguém tem que dizer ao velho Putin que ele acorde, ele não está no século 19, mas no século 21, ele está velho pra fazer guerra, e está destruindo a Rússia. Putin rouba os grãos e outros bens da Ucrânia. São grãos de sangue de crianças, grávidas, bebês, jovens, velhos, mortos pelo genocida Putin contra o povo ucranianos. Os russos foram enganados por Putin, os russos são bobos, tolos, ingênuos. A Rússia se tornou uma ditadura, o povo não pode dar sua opinião, e não tem mais liberdade de expressão, caso contrario pegar 15 anos de prisão se falar mal do governo. Zelensky é show, com uma habilidade incrível liderando a Ucrânia, acabou com mito da Rússia que pode ser derrotada fácil.

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Citizenfitz

Why would I send SF a donation when they delete my posts?

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StormCloudsGathering

Citizenfitz So when YouTube deletes the YouTube channel that SouthFront use to have which had around 110 thousand subscribers, it’s justified? Even though they were posting videos debunking the U.S. media narrative that the chemical weapons attacks in Syria were blatant lies to demonize Assad and justify U.S. military presence in Syria? When people come on here and post misinformation and pro-NATO talking points and shit, it’s hard to cry foul when those people get their comments deleted.

Leonard

Yea they are a little overzealous these days. I mean there should be difference between removing residual trolls like muhammad and holm, and removing perfectly normal comments.

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rafik

Russia should not give up Maripul. Those NAzi zionist will come back. Russia should not be sensitive towards NAto thugs specially US/UK/

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Attila

so rafik you saying any country can invade their neighbours. and keep it ……🤡

AM Hants

Remind me, but, where was Eastern Ukraine located, before Lenin, related by marriage to a certain banking family, took it from Russia and handed it to Ukraine?

Remind me, but, were the borders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus ever ratified in accordance with international law, after the fall of the Soviet Union, back in 1991?

Remind me, but, if there are no borders, recognised by international law, which the UN have admitted does not apply in Ukraine, then surely the borders should go back to pre-1917 times?

Remind me, but, when did Turkey occupy half of Cyprus and how long have they been there?

Remind me, but, when did Israel occupy the Gaza Strip and have they any intention on handing it back to Syria?

The list goes on.

Florian Geyer

Well said, AM.

Gunth3r

How ironic (and stupid) when you Turk/Turd say so (if you are turkish at all). But tell me fool, wtf Turkey is doing in Cyprus, Syria, Iraq… Constantinople, Smyrna, Trebizond? Stealing since 7th century. Fuck off to Mongolia or whatever shithole you crawled from. To hell preferably.

Yuri

Hegel and Machiavelli distinguished immoral from moral wars—denazification and reintegration of Russian regions in former ukieland is necessary moral and consistent w international law. USA/Turkish occupation of Arab territory in Syria/Libya is immoral, the Saudi UK/USA war vs Yemen, as is Israeli occupation of Golan. some wars are ambiguous—the 1968 soccer war between Salvador and Honduras. Certainly the Vietnamese defense vs China and their liberation of Cambodia vs the USA vassal pol pot was morally justified. US invasions of Iraq Vietnam, Korea Afghanistan unambiguously immoral—Hizbollah defense vs Israel also morally justified….the main measure Hegel references is a threat to national sovereignty

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AM Hants

Wow, what could go wrong, with UN and Turkey in charge of inspections. Don’t trust them, however, do trust Russia to be wise to their tricks. There again, with Ukraine escorting the ships, who gets hit by the mines? Which will no doubt be blamed on Russia.

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Pamfil Military Academy

‘Turkey’s role will be to inspect ships LEAVING Ukrainian ports for smuggled arms’…….. and for the ships ENTERING ukropizdan ports with NATO terrorist organisation arms/ammo ????? I bet there will be 101% chance of a JUSA CovertOps.

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Donnchadh

Well its started already – Ukraine says – “Russia bombed the Odessa harbour area directly after talks concluded”. So those who think its NOT a set up by the USA to discredit and DIRECTLY blame Russia for “causing world starvation ” please convince me otherwise ??

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Hunter Biden

Of course it is, if Kiev accepted something then Washington approved. Degenerates in Kiev are owned by CIA.

jens holm

Its very bad omen for Russia if they make many starve.

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Duncan

First of all it’s not her problem if people are starving in Africa. Secondly, it’s the EU which in blocking its ports thus not allowing Russian ships to travel as usual. Besides, it’s the US which made the blockage on swift and other financial institutions which are necessary to process the payments for the buying and selling of the wheat. Now, go f-uck yourself s-on of a biatch.

Natalie Biden was 13

Look here massa, look here in the Odessa plantation massa, I need some attention massa, I shot myself in the foot today massa. And I will put the blame on Russia, massa.

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jimbojames

Hilarious, letting Turkiye be a broker of anything is a sick joke on humanity.

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AM Hants

US said they will hold Russia personally responsible if anything goes wrong. Today, missiles firing in the Port of Odessa. Now who benefits from that? No doubt UN will notice, which is strange as they completely ignored the Minsk II Agreement that they backed.

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7-even-N-6

The US and the UN are 2 sides of the same coin and they are quickly becoming irrelevant. The U.S. and NATO are being manhandled on the battlefield by the Russians and every single sanction they try to impose on Russia boomerangs and slaps them right back in their big fat stupid faces. Putin has outsmarted the empire of lies once again by turning Erdogan one of their main assets in the middle east against them. Turkey has jumped ships and is about to become a member of BRICS. Turkey has absolutely no need to remain part of NATO anymore and they will soon be leaving that useless bloc. Do you really think the Turks are going to help to funnel weapons into Ukraine and risk losing BRICS membership or even worse risk Russia cutting off the natural gas that flows into Turkey? Facing 70 percent inflation Turkey’s economy and industry would collapse overnight. Putin does not sign treaties without thoroughly analyzing all possible scenarios and in this case signing the treaty to let wheat flow out through the Odessa port for 120 days is a win win situation for Russia. People are overly worried about Russia taking over Odessa in a rush. Not a good idea. If Russia gained complete control of Odessa tomorrow and was in charge of all import/export of food supplies in Ukraine, they’d be in tremendous pressure from the international community to expedite the reshipment of grain in Ukraine. Why should Russia take on such a responsibility while they are in the middle of conducting the SMO. Let Ukraine handle it.

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Zzz

This is a big mistake why :

1. turkish Bayraktar Drones have been managing by the turkish pilots (ukranian pilots can not use them because of the limited efucation ) and the turkish pilots killing the Russian soldiers in Ukraine, tanks etc.. (turkey made the same thing in azarbaijan -armenian war the turkish pilots used the bayraktar drones not the azerbaijans pilots and hit the russian tanks ) İmmediately turkey must to be added to the list of Russian unfriend countries as 49th)t These islamic pro.st.itutes deserves it

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7-even-N-6

Obviously it was not Russia that fired six missiles into the Odessa port. How do I know? Because Ukraine claimed they shot 4 of them down lol. Impossible since Ukraine’s air defenses are useless against Russian air strikes. Russia has been taking out buildings and individual HIMARS with pinpoint precision air strikes. Does anyone think Russia is going to shoot 2 missiles into a gigantic port and the missiles are going to miss the huge target and wind up in the water? This is typical U.S. NATO Ukraine false flag lies to try and make Russia look bad but nobody gives a Fu#k because the people of the west and Europe are more worried about their economies collapsing than more BS from Ukraine. Literally nobody gives a dam about Ukraine anymore in the west. This is a good move by Russia to open the port, remember this agreement is good for 120 days. Also Russian sanctions have been removed on its fertilizer. Turkey will not screw Russia over because Erdogan may be a snake and an opportunist but he is not suicidal.

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Realno

Relatively small rockets, probably HIMARS. Another pathetic false flag by Ukros

Zzz

This is a big mistake why :

2. While Europe and Usa sanctioning Russia to able to kill russian from starving why allow grain import?

The grain and gas have to be use as a weapon agains Europe and usa to force them to remove sanctions.. Let the yankees and Europeans and İslamic bit..c.hes die from starving

Zzz

This is a big mistake why :

3. Odessa must be the next city that has to be invaded by Russia strategitly.. Because Usa, Poland, English, Turkish coalition forces they gather troops in romanian border.. their main target is sevastopol and crimean peninsula..under the guise of a mercenary these forces will join to the ukranians army to able to delete Russia from Crimea.. Coalition Artillery Rocket Systems will be deployed to odessa and kherson to able to hit crimea..To prevent this, Odessa should be taken as soon as possible.

Zzz

The neonazis and their western masters will use the ships to smuggle weapons into ukro nazi stan

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