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Russia Says “No Problem” Delivering S-400 Missiles To Iran When UN Embargo Expires

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Originally appeared at ZeroHedge

Currently Iran already operates the S-300 anti-air defense system, but just ahead of the major UN weapons embargo set to expire this month, which the US contests, Russia has once again strongly suggested that it’s poised to transfer its more advanced S-400 system to Iran.

The latest comments on the issue were made Saturday by Russia’s ambassador to Tehran Dzhagaryan who told an Iranian newspaper Saturday it would be “no problem” for Moscow, in effect signaling a green light for such a deal.

“As you know, S-300s have already been delivered. Russia has no problem delivering S-400s to Iran. This was never a problem from the very beginning,” the ambassador said.

Russia Says "No Problem" Delivering S-400 Missiles To Iran When UN Embargo Expires

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The UN arms embargo expires October 18, but Washington has vowed to go it alone in imposing ‘snapback’ sanctions after a failed UN bid to extend the embargo. European signatories to the 2015 nuclear deal have denied that the US has this legal authority, given it pulled out of the JCPOA in 2018.

On that note, Amb. Dzhagaryan remarked that Russia “took a strong stance against the United States and called on the deal’s three European signatories to stand together with us.”

“But the issue I want to address is very important: the three European countries did not support the United States, but they also continue to criticize Iran’s activities in the region. On one hand, they say that the arms embargo against Iran should be lifted,” he said in the interview. On the other, they say that Iran should not continue its activities. The Russian side has said from the start that there would be no problems selling arms to Iran starting on October 19.”

Looking ahead to the UN embargo’s expiration, under two weeks ago Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov indicated to Interfax news that Russia will pursue the “opportunity” of lawful weapons sales to Iran the moment the embargo expires:

“New opportunities will emerge in our cooperation with Iran after the special regime imposed by U.N. Security Council Resolution 2231 expires on Oct. 18.”

“The amount of this cooperation and the areas in which it will develop is a separate question,” he added.

Ryabkov added that Russian cooperation with the Islamic Republic has “nothing to do with the unlawful and illegal actions of the U.S. administration, which is trying to intimidate the entire world.”

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Zionism = EVIL

Kids as I was saying a few months ago LOL. Iran will receive 8 batteries of S-400, 2 may already have been delivered last week at Bandar Anzali and about 24 SU-30 will be delivered soon. Over 200 Iranian personnel have received training in Russia. So much for the ZioCUNTS and dumbass AmeriCUNTS.

Ivan Freely

Where are you getting this info from, especially the 200 Iranians personnel in Russia for training?

verner

good news in the face of the disunited states of A and the jews illegally occupying palestine. the latter need to be eliminated and the land returned to the rightful owners, the palestinians.

Zionism = EVIL

It is a certainty, the ZionistCUNTS are living on stolen lands on borrowed time.

Zionism = EVIL

1000 T-72 have been upgraded to Karrar standard and about 500 T-90 will be added the Iranian armored forces soon. Iran is set to have the most modern and largest tank forces in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IDMFQbgqs

Dick Von Dast'Ard

Probably going to need decent mobile SAM’s to go with them if they are to survive drone, attack helicopter and ground attack aircraft threats.

Zionism = EVIL

The drones you see in Armenia are overrated against a properly armed military with air defence systems. Armenia is a small country that was largely a victim of its own over confidence. The terrain also plays a great part in deployment of drones. If the drones were omnipotent, Hezbollah, Ansarallah and Afghans would have been defeated decades ago. The Americunts have been bombing Iraq and Afghanistan for over 20 years and achieved fuckall.

Dick Von Dast'Ard

The Iraqi tribes and Taliban are part of the Pentagon payroll to be logistics managers for the CIA drug trade there.

Zionism = EVIL

That is true, but the Americunts are literally going down the tubes. They are past their expiry date. We are seeing regional turbulence as many powerful actors are exerting influence. Iran has done quite well if you see the Tehran to Beirut zone of influence. Armenia is expendable and the anti-Muslim vitriol of some Armenians has pissed off many in Iranian leadership as there are millions of Azeris in Iran who share the view that Nogorno-Karabakh must return to Azerbaijan. Iran’s only interest now is to stop the conflict spilling over into its territory, Russia shares that view.

occupybacon

Probably the anti-Muslim of Armenians was generated by Turkish genocides and current Turkish threat. People tend to religion-radicalize when their nation is put in danger, especially the smaller ones, like many Chechen fighters that were not even practicants before the war.

Alekai Mordechai

Same goes for Palestinians, Yemeni Houthis and soon Rohingyas.

World’s morality doesn’t start and stop with west or christians.

occupybacon

Chill, it wasn’t an anti-Muslim comment

d'Artagnan

Sadly, that is the case as some of our short-sighted politicians are taking their antipathy towards the Turks into a general Islamophobia which has proved counter-productive as it has alienated segments of Iranian public and government. Armenia can not afford a hostile Iran as well as Russia has proven hands off during this conflict. Most of the damage done to Armenia is from Zionist weapons sales to Azerbaijan.

occupybacon

Agree, and Turkish drones too, though whoever sells those will not stop, probably will use arms deallers from third countries. What’s the plan, any hope to save Nagorno?

Zionism = EVIL

Armenians need to tone it down as for the first time there have been anti-Armenian demonstrations in the Northern Iran where there is large Azerbaijani population with relatives on both sides and open borders. People should not lose sight of the reality that Iran is a conservative nationalistic Muslim state with theocracy in power and Islamophobia is a non-sequitur.

Parts of modern-day Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey were once part of
the Persian Empire, with communities and families spread on either side of the modern boundaries.

As a result, many of the ethnic Azeris who live across Iran, especially in the provinces of Ardabil and East Azerbaijan bordering Azerbaijan, feel a close kinship with people across the border“. In terms of political divides and official borders we are two separate countries, but psychologically and religiously we are one nation,” as described by Iranian officials.

occupybacon

I’m not familiar with the regional situation but I can see Erdogan plays a lot on the Muslim friendship card.

occupybacon

I’m not into military but I think Iran should focus on anti-tank, drones and AA. I don’t see how a tank armada would help Iran.

Alekai Mordechai

Iran has sufficient anti-tank, drones and AA. Made all by themselves.

Zionism = EVIL

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Potato Man

Like Alekai said Iran has sufficient anti-tanks, etc that is why they are making breakthroughs in other fields such as warships, tanks, jets and a lot more.
They also are looking or made their own civilians planes. <-(can't find the report it was on Tasnim or FarsNewsAgency).

Why Russia, China, India have so much tanks, they share a lot of borders with other countries and soldiers still have come through to invade and take over, US bombed ISIL and Taliban and they have no power over them outside, look at Afghanistan Taliban hold most of the country still, US soldiers can't even get out their bases, not even in Iraq. BTW a tank can fuk those soldiers. Image Taliban had some tanks and camp US troops as they run away to their bases LOL.

Zionism = EVIL

Iran is very large country and tanks are needed for defensive and offensive purposes for combined arms anti-terror or power projection of the lawless eastern borders of terror central Pakistan and Afghan CIA narco state. Iran has one of the largest inventories of ATGM, drones and missiles. Just needs to strengthen the airforce and navy.

occupybacon

Indeed airforce and navy should prevail, maybe with some help from the Chinese.

Vodnar

Russia take care of your real fruends and leave armenia to pompeo.

Dick Von Dast'Ard

Russia can still use the Karabakh situation to wipe out Turk affiliated terrorists using strategic bombers without getting too involved.

Only if Armenia itself is under threat of invasion and occupation would Russia start pounding the Azeri military. (under CSTO)

Zionism = EVIL

The parasitic Jews got the dumbass Americunts involved in endless losing wars while power was shifting to Eurasia and China, so it was suicidal hubris. We are now in a mutlipolar world. I foresee closer Iranian ties with Russia, China and Turkey.

Zionism = EVIL

Fundamentally, Iran and Turkey don’t have any real differences. I see a resolution of Syrian situation soon as even Assad hinted.

Zionism = EVIL

Call me a Phantom :) i have always believed that Pisrael is overrated and poses ZERO threat to Iran, Arab disunity and corrupt sold out leadership led this toxic cancer survive. It is like Armenia in terms of strategic mass, 6 million so-called Jews simply can’t survive for ever. Iran and Turkey are big nations so the equation is different. I don’t believe Azerbaijan is any threat to Iran.

Codenamed 'Gordon'

Assad support Armenia and Syrian Foreign Minister warned Azerbaijan to not fall into ‘Turkish trap’. Then Armenia sent group of sappers and medics to Aleppo last year.

Putin Apologist

I have to again agree with you. I don’t see where the Iranians who want peace in the region could possibly be happy with what Erdogan is doing in Armenia.

Vox Populi

Turkey and Iran have more cooperation than areas of differences, with the exception of Syria and that is being bridged. Turkish and Iranian military has recently cooperated in anti-terrorism operations against the Kurds, who pose a threat to both states, and are viewed as agents of US and Israel.

George King

In 2012 Azerbaijan prevented and arrested 22 Iranian Hezbollah terrorists for plotting an attack against Israeli and U.S. targets. Also in 2012 it was revealed that Mossad thwarted terrorist attack in Azerbaijan by neutralizing an Iranian terrorist’s cell. In 2016 Azerbaijan prevented terrorist attack to blow up Baku-Istanbul bus.

Azerbaijan bombs bus carrying Russian, Armenian, US media personnel: RIA. Published 2020-10-02 19:00:10 by News Desk in World-News. BEIRUT, LEBANON (6:45 P.M.) – In the third targeting incident in two days in the Karabakh region, RIA Novosti reported that a bus carrying media personnel from Russia and Armenia, along with an American volunteer, had been bombed by Azerbaijan.

Concrete Mike

Dont sell the bear pelt before you shoot it my friend, in the nexy 13 days, all tricks will be attempted by the usual terrorists.

Zionism = EVIL

Not too many options left. Everything short of a nuclear war has been tried and failed in the past 42 years.

Jimmy Jim

GAS IS THE ANSWER!

Blue In Green

Undoubtedly Trump’s Zionist (Israeli) administration will try and enact some sort of action to stymie or outright stop such an eventuality from happening but their prospects for success are dwindling by the minute. Quite frankly I don’t see what they will do outside of just bombing the shipments themselves lol.

Russia doesn’t really care for any additional sanctions over selling defensive hardware to Iran so they’d be more than willing to provide Iran with the equipment it needs to further beef up their conventional AD capabilities. what remains to be seen is Zio-America will stop Iran from buying and fielding advanced 4++ and possible 5th generation Russian attack/multi-role air-craft.

Some say that Iran has already signed a deal for the S-30SM2 (allegedly) or even just he S-30SM.

We just have to wait for after the 18th of October to see exactly what both sides have agreed to and move on from that point really.

gryzor84

Hi B.I.G,

been a while :-) Absolutely agree on your assessment here. Making promises and declarations of intent on defensisve hardware is the easy symbolic part and means nothing.

Besides, one should recall that the long overdue S-300 regiments were delivered right on the heels of the P5+1 ratification as early as 2015,so they weren’t even bound to the UN embargo in any way whatsoever that doesn’t even stipulates anything about defensive assets.

The only reason why it was indefinitly cancelled in the first place back in 2007 was merely because of political factors disjoined from any legally-binding Resolution. Indeed then US-friendly Medvedev was attempting to reach a longlasting entente and shift the dynamics with post-Cold War NATO butbhis hopes feel short because of totally unwilling Western partners still harboring deep contempt for the Russian resurgence as a powerful trans-regional actor.

Unlucky for the US, that cancellation also kicked off the drive for full self-sufficiency in the air-defense sphere that was long discussed and coveted by Iranian defense thinkers, even though the political class wanted to give one last chance at a truly meaningful stratagic partnership with Moscow before comitting long-term ressources to implement those ambitious developments. That diplomatic episode was a critical event in Iranian thinking when it came to military sovereinty.

A whole class of short to very-long range air-defense apparatus then spawned gradually over the following years,culminating with gems such as bi-static radar guidance for high-end systems suh as the Bavar and Sevome Khordad systems that demonstrated proven combat capability with a semi-passive takedown of a high-flying 220M$ US drone with discreete radar signature attribute at the very edge of their operating range (60km out of the stated 70). The interception and its parameters left no one unimpressed, would it be Russians, Europeans or Americans.

In parallel to that their ballistic and cruise-missile arsenal also demonstrated terminal precision capability on distant targets, like with the Aramco strike or the Al-Assad airport retaliatory attack after the Soleimani kill.

T-90s knock-offs and retrofitted T-72s have also finished the job of modenizing Iran’s armor force to a credible degree of deterrence.

Now the one, single biggest achilles heel in today’s Iran remains its outdated though modernized and still capable airforce. Their only assets of value for air-defense and CAP would be the 35 or so updated Mig-29 to the S standard lately and of course their trusty Tabriz-based squadrons of elite F-14AM and Iranian-made pheonixes (Fakour-90) and new digitized radar plus 80% of internal parts.

The Chinese-modified F4s can also provide seconday escort for strike packages for stand-off strikes with Iranin-made HARM, Scalp and LGB-like assets as well but remain of limited use in air superiority beyond Iranin borders.

With all that said, and as much as I feel pride in Iran’s industrial prowess in not only keeping those airworthy but also combat capable and modern enough to keep in the fight against more modern opponent coupled with the national IADS,there is only so much one can accomplish with 45-50 year old airframes that cannot be replaced as a whole by local means yet (indeed in aeronautics more than in any other field, even 85% parts production capability absolutely does not mean “almost the entire plane”). And both Iran and its enemies know that full well.

If Iran can somehow manage to acsuire a credible numer of Su-30MKs with a decent level of ToT and couple it with their own homegrown ordnance and sensor kits where the Russian wouldn’t go all the way,Iran will become a conventionally unassailable nation even in conventionnal terms and not solely on asymetrical terms.

That is why the issue of post-embargo purchases will be of incredible importance and probably prove to be one of the most contentious issues of Russian-Chinese-Western relations of the post-Cold War era.

Now it remains to be seen whether the world order has changed enough for a nation like Russia or China to outright ignore the US in its perpetual lame whining and sanctilns-wielding and finally break the existing normal by embarking on true military-cooperation projects say à la Pakistani JF-17 with Iran.

Technologically, academically and industrially, everything is right there. Iran is ready with wide open arms to build a next-generation airforce in a matter of les than a full decade, if supported in a concrete and sustained way by either powers.

Gosh, November 2020 will definitly be a month to remember in so many respects for the world and specially Iran !

Blue In Green

Doing good over here Gryzor!! Nice to hear from you again as well!!

As far as any reliable sources on the forum regarding the validity about Iran and Russia signing off on the sale for Su-30SMs (1/2s). There has been various Iranian Twitter accounts from verified Iranian Pilots and others in the know who have openly stated that Iran and Russia agreed to such a sale for the Su-30 itself only to suspiciously delete the Tweet and lock down the account as a whole.

One well known Iranian pilot of Twitter did exactly this, talking about a Su-30 deal and his account (which was quite active) went dead silent ever since that Tweet was posted. So many speculate that this is evidence for the existence of such an agreement. Now my own personal take on it would be one of skepticism since Iranians tend to lie (purposefully) in order to trick and send the Israelis and Americans on a wild IMINT/HUMINT/OSINT goose-chase for the truth whilst covering up the real deal.

What I think is happening is that Iran, although very successful in its own efforts, still wants to acquire a number of top-tier Russian AD systems in order to further plug any holes remaining in their IADS coverage. Biggest issue here is a simple one really: Iran is just too big for 4 batteries of S-300PMU2 and BAVAR-373 to cover reliably so an additional influx of 4-6 batteries of S-400s will help mitigate any threat coming in. Iran’s own ADS inventory is gigantic and many of their systems are either upgraded or produced locally but hey lol, some S-400s can’t hurt xD.

Essentially the S-400 would buy Iran even more time to produce more indigenous SAM systems, putting them into active service along.

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d'Artagnan

It appears that Russia and Iranian defence cooperation is very deep and they don’t give up any secrets. Iran may have already received the S-400 and various other systems and aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJhJCcEsPiY

gryzor84

Sorry again for the delay in response.

Thanks a lot for the insight about the pilots’ twitter thing ! I only vaguely follow that dimension of the media and your take clears a bit of the picture.

So basically we know just enough to hope for serious development , but what development exactly is another story at this point.

And I absolutely adhere to the idea that Iran needs more air-defense systems in numbers and quality as of right now from every reliable source it can get, even though it might seem that they have been boasting both the engineering prowess and production capabilities to build up their own apparatus for years now without the need for much exterior help.

Indeed time is of the essence in one of the hottest regions of the world traversing its most troubles and uncertain times. Besides, let’s be fair and realistic for a moment : no matter the level of advancement and proven efficiency of their homegrown long-range air-defense projects without discounting the spectacular rapidity with which they evolved basically from scratch in systems of that league within the span of barely more than a decade, Iran decently cannot and isn’t supposed to compete with systems resulting from more than 70 years straight of research and industrial efforts geared towards a very clear and well-articulated doctrine.

And on psychological level, simply turning them on and locking with their distinct radar illumination waveform on enemy aircraft will have a toll on any pilot and air commanders alike.

The eastern Bear is indeed a giant industrial powerhouse augmented with one of the world’s finest academic base, one can always gain from military-technical cooperation to plug any remaining gaps in Iran’s complex and large airspace specially over vast mountainous areas.

If you ask me, the Sukhois can even wait a bit if there are real possibilities for a few Triumph batteries :p

Blue In Green

GRYZOR!!!

I didn’t know where to find you so I will just use this comment to update you on this latest groundbreaking missile development coming from Iran!!

https://twitter.com/KhosroKalbasi/status/1323903917814550528

UNDERGROUND BALLISTIC MISSILE WAGONS!!!

gryzor84

Hey B.I.G,

thanks for the heads-up my friend, as always very appreciated.

Indeed a friend of mine usually roaming IMF a bit more frequently than myself also told me to look into this. I gotta say there’s an incredible level of industrial innovation and ressource allocation in favor these underground” missile cities” by the Defense Ministry. It seems they stand as a pillar of the defense doctrines current priority list, despite all the other development occurring in parallel.

These seem to even house smaller-diameter/range missiles like some Zulfiqar variants, which I find surprising considering the few suitable mountain ranges available for such launchpads. I have always seen these complexes as crucial operating hubs utilizing long-range missile arsenals from the safety of Iran’s strategic depths and thus protected by multiple layers of air-defenses on top of the terrain, making them resilient to alpha strikes in the opening hours and days of a given conflagration.

From my experience this diversification seems a bit new, unless I missed some episodes, and it speaks a lot of the ever growing role of these installation in Iranian doctrine. I hope those complexes and their heavy hydraulics are not too prone to seismic occurrences triggered by nearby missing bombs and missile shaking a given rocky area though !

Blue In Green

Sorry for the disjointed post lol, i’m kind of overwhelmed by this news to be honest.

The missiles shown off during this latest unveiling on the Ballistic Missile transport Wagons are actually mass produced EMADS! You can also see Sejjils in the tunnel on their TELS all lined up as well!, very good news as the Sejjil is a 2,000-2,500km missile lol. I believe there are also SHAHAB-3s in the video also but I’m not too sure on that.

If Iran can, well when really, when Iran mass produces the Khoramshahr 1/2 Ballistic Missiles. Iran will have the heaviest hitting conventional ballistic missile arsenal in the region and possibly the world really. Iran plans on using their BM arsenal like MLRS systems in theory, which is absolutely insane in-terms of raw firepower against enemy assets. This sort of firing methodology would spell utter disaster for anyone on the receiving end. Entire bases (the biggest in the world) would be wiped out overnight. They really weren’t joking when they said they could do it.

Can’t wait to see what other sort of firing methods Iran has been cooking up. I’m hoping they build more double or triple rail TELS for their FATEH line of Q-Bms. Given their recent Dezful and Hajj-Qassem Q-BM reveils, they’ve been most likely building these for quite some time now. These would be the ones Iran needs in the thousands to hit Israel tactically. Israeli and American ABM systems will not be able to withstand such tremendous amounts of missiles being launched their way… This might be a game-changer but we also have to take into account that this BM trolley system is most likely years old by now and has been well installed into Iran’s larger missile complexes all over the country. I suspect that the largest missile bases (one’s we most likely never have seen) have multiple missile trolley systems.

Given this firing method, we can easily deduct that Iran wasn’t joking about being able to launch literally hundreds of thousand+ pounder missiles at once. It’s actually impressive from an objective stand-point really lol.

Sorry, haha, I’m a little to giddy about this recent news since this has been my idea for awhile and I’m glad to see Iran has implemented it.

gryzor84

Ahaha you can indeed be proud of your strategic assessment being applied industrially :D

I had totally forgotten about the Emads… I really thought that brand was integrated into other newer existing design just like the Sejil that we haven’t heard in a while. In my mind to be honest Iran MRBM-class of missile was basically centered around ever-increasing levels of sophistication for Ghadrs on the one hand and Zulfiqar classes in the future, as one of DIO’s goal in every development field was to standardize research axis and asset to the maximum extent possible to optimize and minimize production and logistical hurdles that for a time were quite overweight with lots of different R&D trying their luck at the burgeoning era or Iran’s reverse-engineering process in the mid-90s, the whole industrial doctrine at the time being some kind of hit & miss effort building on whatever they had available from the black market or shady sellers until a viable and/or manageable design appeared more tempting for further focus.

People tend to forget that today Iran’s solid, well-organized and consistent military-industrial complex has seen much more humble days a mere 25 years ago, with produced arsenals being mostly copies of older models, and no clear homegrown design paths or brands of their own for basically any kind of asset.

Gosh it certainly feels invigorating to look back and witness all the unthinkable progress accomplished in the worst conditions through all these years of hard work and mature engineering by brilliant academic classes of the country.

Hopefully one day the condition will allow such genius to express itself in pressing civilian fields, too. We already build our own giant dams, electrical and nuclear plants, gas turbines, metro, trains, optics, nanotech, pharmaceuticals, you name it. Let’s see what the end of the Trump era brings in possible opportunities.

Blue In Green

Last little bit of information on the Clip/Magazine fed MLRS BM system (or Missile Barrage system). Based on OSINT reports, the wagons/trolleys/carousels would be loaded with missiles just like a M1 Garand clip and loaded into the firing chamber and launched from an open ceiling firing area that the rails go to as shown in this Twitter post.

Once that Clip/Magazine is expended, it would automatically be sent back into the loading/staging areas of the missile complex to loaded with a new fresh set of 5-10 missiles.

I highly suspect that each “Missile Barrage” system installed into a missile base has several or more carousels ready for loading/firing depending on mission parameters. Also there would be multiple Missile Barrage units set up at individual bases to allow for 100s of launches at larger installations if need be.

https://twitter.com/Pataramesh/status/1324583943484641281

Naturally, this is what Iran has been saying it can do in order to get the massive numbers of missile sortie rates they’ve been boasting about for years now which leads me to believe this “Missile Barrage” apparatus is actually quite old.

Hopefully one day the condition will allow such genius to express itself in pressing civilian fields, too. We already build our own giant dams, electrical and nuclear plants, gas turbines, metro, trains, optics, nanotech, pharmaceuticals, you name it. Let’s see what the end of the Trump era brings in possible opportunities.

Couldn’t have said it better myself Gryzor. Trump was an unmitigated disaster for international diplomacy and almost pulled Iran and America into an unjust war all for the sake of Israel.

With him hopefully leaving “peacefully”, Biden and his administration has a chance to reconcile with Iran, get back into the JCPOA and resume the thawing of relations between the two-nations. Such an outcome is needed for both countries as well as the region. Yet it is squarely Israel here that is the issue and really only them.

We will see what’s going to happen, with Americans you can no longer rely on them being consistent, it’s always going to be something new lol.

gryzor84

That “Missile Barrage System” would indeed seem like a unique and one-of-a-kind innovation from Iran, if I’m not mistaken right ?

Ever since the Mid 2010s when Iran finally unveiled visual proof of its missile TELs deployed in the dozens for a ceremony (which implied an even greater number in strategic stocks) that officially signaled the end of its once critical handicap regarding the limited number available for firing missiles salvos at any one time, that severely plagued the credibility of its deterrent factor for quite some time speically in the eyes of Tel-Aviv, I wondered what would be the next step consolidate that ability away from open terrain, now that the whole arsenal is a given to be reckoned withe in diversity, complexity and inventory. Iran’s numerous mountain ranges seemed a logical candidate for such experimentation, profiting from one of its most sacred ressource ever : its natural terrain, both in surface and depth.

I too, have always thought it was the right bet for its Defense community to capitalize on Iran’s greatest advantage yet : its strategic depth, in the fullest sense of the term. Not just two-dimensional but also literally, its terrain depth. That kind of vertical thinking makes it virtually impossible even for American stand-off firepower to score critical , relevant hits through its classical Shock & Awe doctrine opening every conflicts they choose. That element alone critically hampers a crucial ability that has been considered granted as some sort of silver bullet by US commanders for decades : Shock & Awe.

Indeed I find it hard to believe that LACMs can perform strikes precise enough to be able to get *into* hardened silos in a top-down attack pattern, surrounded by fractured terrain with steep curves and air-defense layers all along their ingress route, let alone manned precision strikes that would inevitably result in unacceptable and incompressible amount of pilots getting KIA or MIA.

With all of that said, I would never have imagined such a giant hydraulic trolley like that loads missiles in a mounting silo like bullets in a cartridge :: this is borderline-crazy Sci-Fi for Christ’s sake :D

Oh well, I guess “Ma Inim”, nothing seems impossible in modern Persia :D

Blue In Green

That “Missile Barrage System” would indeed seem like a unique and one-of-a-kind innovation from Iran, if I’m not mistaken right ?

The idea itself is not new per-say, the Nazis wanted to build a similar system for their V2 rockets but I don’t think they ever actually went into operation, but they did build one which was the Wizernes V2 bunker at La Couple.

I would actually wager that this “Missile Barrage” system that Iran has implemented into its underground/mountain bases is rare (truly rare) but not necessarily unique, it must have been tried before by other nations who wanted a simultaneous quick launch method for its BM arsenal but that’s just my guess. Such an endeavor requires a lot of money, man-power, engineering and safety precautions to pull it off right, lets hope Iran has done this competently, which given past accidents, makes me worry a little bit…
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Ever since the Mid 2010s when Iran finally unveiled visual proof of its missile TELs deployed in the dozens for a ceremony (which implied an even greater number in strategic stocks) that officially signaled the end of its once critical handicap regarding the limited number available for firing missiles salvos at any one time, that severely plagued the credibility of its deterrent factor for quite some time speically in the eyes of Tel-Aviv, I wondered what would be the next step consolidate that ability away from open terrain, now that the whole arsenal is a given to be reckoned withe in diversity, complexity and inventory. Iran’s numerous mountain ranges seemed a logical candidate for such experimentation, profiting from one of its most sacred ressource ever : its natural terrain, both in surface and depth.

The answer to the question about the Wests deluded insistence that Iran’s missile stockpile is only somewhere around the ~2,000-3,000 mark in terms of raw missile count lies within the OSINT information given out over the years by Iran itself.

The massive deliver of TELS, the tunnels filled to the brim with Missiles, the way Iran uses its BM stockpile to strike targets almost as if it was conducted by a regular jet sortie, this recent Magazine fed missile system, the underground production plants. etc etc: all of this leads to a very simple reality. Iran has a nation-wide, well protected, well funded missile production capacity that allows Iran to do volume-production of its short-to-long range Missiles. Such a capability is only reserved for a handful of nations around the world.

I say this with full confidence that Iran’s BM count, just what we can consider as a BM technically speaking, is easily with the 5,000-10,000 range and possibly more…

I too, have always thought it was the right bet for its Defense community to capitalize on Iran’s greatest advantage yet : its strategic depth, in the fullest sense of the term. Not just two-dimensional but also literally, its terrain depth. That kind of vertical thinking makes it virtually impossible even for American stand-off firepower to score critical , relevant hits through its classical Shock & Awe doctrine opening every conflicts they choose. That element alone critically hampers a crucial ability that has been considered granted as some sort of silver bullet by US commanders for decades : Shock & Awe.

Exactly! lol, I’ve been trying to tell people, in vain, that Iran’s topography will not allow for the U.S. to easily operate and strike with high efficacy, against hardened Iranian strategic as well as tactical assets.

Iran’s unforgiving mountainous terrain has been the single biggest obstacle for America when it comes down to practicality. To jagged, too deep, too hard (physically) and much too widespread.

Iran currently employs (8) 1,100km range Qadir Array VHF radars, with another one coming online soon for a total of 9 for now, and they plan on fielding more than 20+ for the near-future. Another even longer-range VHF radar called the Seperh 3000km one to be put into official service pretty soon as well.

These radars, coupled with myriad of other domestically produced radars, would give Iran the best pre-warning heads up to any potential American attack. All sites and equipment would be easily tucked away in their fortified housing once those long-range radars pick up the planes and their munitions. So an American attack on Iranian facilities, at least during the beginning waves, would be mitigated in terms of raw damage sustained.

Iranian IADS capabilities should be more than enough to deny America freedom to operate in ideal conditions.

– Third of Khordad 90-100km+
– 15th Khordad 50-70km mid-range
– Mersad 16, 40+ km SAM (Iranian heavily upgraded HAWK)
– BAVAR-373, 300-400KM system with max 220km engagement range
– S-300PMU2s, 300+km range, one of the worlds most advanced systems
– RA’AD 1/2 BUK style Iranian made defense systems Medium range
– Domestically upgraded S-200 SAMS (way too many of these systems)
– Yet to be revealed domestically produced SHORAD (Panstir equivalent)
– Tor systems, as soon to revealed Iranian made TOR systems

These systems are also a little different since Iran is using a different operating methodology when it comes to their radars and AD systems.

In recently released pictures, Iran has installed EO/IR (Electronic Optical) devices on its systems due to how they plan on counter-acting American air-superiority.

Quite simply, given Iran’s heavily dense, deep and mountainous terrain. These systems (of which there will be thousands) will be placed all over the country, mainly in mountainous regions. Ready to be used against American air-assets in an ambush style of engagement regime if they get through Iran’s larger ring of long range SAM systems.

With all of that said, I would never have imagined such a giant hydraulic trolley like that loads missiles in a mounting silo like bullets in a cartridge :: this is borderline-crazy Sci-Fi for Christ’s sake :D

Oh well, I guess “Ma Inim”, nothing seems impossible in modern Persia :D

xD, yeah man, yeah… it really is something out of a Sci-Fi movie when you look at it.

lol, Me and friend make jokes about Iran’s nuclear-hardened underground missile bases but calling them “James Bond Doomsday weapons” since they look so “evil” in the classical cinema sense of the word haha.

gryzor84

Ahaha thanks for the detailed insight mate, you remind me of some of the IMF pages I’ve browsed lately. I remember the once heated debates going among some members around the topic of basically trying to do better than what the Germans or North Koreans did in their time in terms of complex and widespread underground fortifications.

I can’t wait for the Iran’s Oghab and Separ to finally get proper unveiling and quell once and for all the rumors and endless speculations as to what kind of point-defense SHORAD asset they really are in the end. One thing is clear though, it’s that Iran has indeed belatedly but surely and solidly now mastered ultra-high rate Gatling types that were lacking from their inventories. That explains why the Kaman CIWS is already being discreetly retrofitted to existing Frigates such as the Velayat and Jamaran (?) and also on its heavily-upgraded Cobra helos (Akhgar canon I think ?) as well slaved to their Apache/Mil style HMS targeting system, side by side with upcoming naval versions of the Khordad/Raad on the Khalij Fars corvette (destroyer ?) (which I saw on the forum a few months ago being tested as is with its ground-based chassis on a support ship)

The Mersad-16 and its brand-new all-Iranian missile really took me by surprise, I wouldn’t have imagine they would still build onto this system that I perceived more as test bed for their early reverse-engineering effort and serious air-defense R&D in the the early 2010s trying to modernize it to the Hawk XXI standard. The extended-range Shalamcheh missile and its new seeker was one of the first true steps in going the homegrown route for systems to come, not to mention the earliest IR-guided Sayyad ground-to-air missiles derived from the Chinese HQ-2s if I recall correctly.

And, ever since the takedown of the Triton drone in what probably was a case of a Sayyad-2 missile being fired in LO-AL mode with initial cues form a distant Najm AESA radar in a semi-active mode outside of its network demonstrated to the world Iran’s ability to undertake the most complex kind of modular IADS interceptions and on top of it, at the edge of its state operational range, both in terms of altitude of the target (17km) and distance (60 km I think).

Iran has indeed become quite the unassailable beast from almost every respect. With the long overdue addition of its air-force element, it will lose its last true Achilles Heel (already largely overcome by the development of its Ballistic, cruise and air-defense achievements).

The whopping numbers of BMs you mention in your assessment of Iran’s inventory is quite the bet though, I admit I’m not that optimistic, but I’m not into drilling into photo-mining for serials like some other people do on the forum lol xD

It was great talking to you, those Jamesbondesque unveilings are anyway truly something every time :D

paolinks

Apart from nuking Iran, they cannot do much more. Even shelling Iran using the cover of Armenia-Arzebaijan war wouldn’t work. First, Iran wouldn’t respond so easily. Second, a response ( but the provocation must be really big to award a response ) would be justified.

Blue In Green

Any Iranian response to an attack from an aggressor nation/force would be comprehensive and measured in nature. IRGC-ASF (AeroSpace Force) has demonstrated tremendous operational capabilities in detecting, targeting and destroying specific targets with extreme prejudice.

d'Artagnan

Iran is set to co-produce the SU-30 with Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5gSnVhWqrk

gryzor84

Man if this one finally materializes…. speechless and breathless. Iran will be unassailable even conventionally, asymmetrical warfare will gradually only remain an option in warfare, and not a requirement anymore. EAGERLY waiting to see.

Dick Von Dast'Ard
Zionism = EVIL

That is not a bad scenario. The Zionists are in for a disappointment in the long run. This situation is just the beginning of regional realignment.

paolinks

So just a club of backstabbers helping each other on some occasions, but always ready to kill each other.

paolinks

They aren’t enemies, but they aren’t friends. Every one of them is trying to use and abuse the others for gaining power. Turkey wants a neo-ottoman empire. SA wants to rule the entire ME from its camel tent. Iran wants to expand its reach.

SA are no chance. They are nothing. Low iq desert goat fuckers. They have Mecca, that is all. But they are seen as too friendly with the jews and too corrupt to even be considered islamic.

Turkey has good backing in the sunni world. But Erdogan is too reckless.

Iran is the only country that has the power and the brains.

The “friendship” with Israel will doom these countries. They cannot justify to their own people why they practically work for the jews. Jews are seen as enemies in the islamic world. Opening up to them, means doom.

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What a bunch of lies “Jews are seen as enemies in the islamic world”.
Jews have been living with Muslims and have better relations than with Christians, it’s not a conflict about religion but nationalism. Once the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is solved, many Muslim countries will work with us. I’d rather be friends with the Arabs than with dirty Christians that killed 6 million Jews. Now fuck off son of a bitch.

John

6 million Jews where not killed by Christians!!!!
It was Nazi Germany which persecuted Christians as well.

johnny rotten

The S-400 systems along with much more are already packed and ready to go, this is the real October surprise that Zio-Americans will be shocked by.

Zionism = EVIL

Even the French and Germans are willing to sell Iran weapons. German FM just a few hours ago reiterated that there is no chance of any further sanctions on Iran. The Iranian Rial has gone up substantially.

Jihadi Colin

Macron has belatedly realised that the Hollande line has put a noose around France’s neck.

I think Macron will be removed soon.

Lone Ranger

Pimpeo will cry and rage :)

occupybacon

Hope so

paolinks

Pimpeo has been slapped even by the Pope!! The damn Pope, not some peon on the street.

When has been the last time that it has happened? I mean, the Pope refusing to meet an US diplomat.

occupybacon

Trump tried to use Pope image in the electoral campaign, Francis reaction was totally previsible. Popes never photoshoot with politicians before ellections

Zionism = EVIL

The dumbass Americunt morons are shameless isolated rejects and a global joke.

gryzor84

I’d rather say he’s due for unemployment very soon considering who finally got declared POTUS today.

Fog of War

Iran would be stupid to buy weapons from those Zio slaves.

Zionism = EVIL

Just a few SNECMA Atar engines for the 22 Mirage F1 stationed at Birjand and Zahedan and some avionic upgrades. Iran is now going totally domestic production and synchronizing with Russia and China.

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paolinks

And this is one of the reasons they have started the shitshow in the Caucasus.

Jihadi Colin

Not much of a window of opportunity for the zioamerican nexus to attack Iran (not that they were ever capable of it).

Lone Ranger

CIA trolls and hasbarats will cry and rage :)

Lone Ranger

Well it’s a defensive weapons system, you don’t attack, they can’t hit you.
Iran should buy for at least $10billion.

occupybacon

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Sauron

That will be the start of a new arms race. No doubt with this news UAE will get the F-35 they have been lobbying for.

StafJustice

Why should a defensive weapons bother you at all…
Unless you have evil intentions

Sauron

I don’t know your knowledge on military, but defensive weapon is not exactly used only on defense. Here is an example: A guy that has S-400 organizes an air strike on a neighbor, that doesn’t have S-400 and doesn’t have any stealth planes. Neighbor retaliates but all of missiles are intercepted by S-400. Who was in defensive this time?
This “bothering with defensive weapons” is what Putin has been doing on Poland, Romania and other east European countries with plans to put THAAD there.

paolinks

The think about THAAD is a bit different. Putin has stated, many times, that “defensive missile batteries” from NATO can be used for offensive purposes, just by switching the warheads.

But I oppose that the S400 complex is able to do the same. After all we are talking about tubes made to launch missiles. Get missiles the right size and you will be able to launch them.

Антон С

S-400 container can hold AA missile only. Of course, any guided missile could hit land targets (or ships), but it’s not so effective. This is like to hammer nails with a microscope. Better to use a hammer, i.e. cheaper ballistic missile with more payload for ground strikes.

Jim Allen

Bullshit, S-400 can launch any missile that fits in it’s tubes. The system’s radars don’t care if the target is in the air, on the ground, on the water, or Uranus. Russian military technology, and hardware is infinitely upgradeable, and upgrades are installed often.
MiG-21 is kinda’ obsolete now, but still has it’s uses, and remains in service in several country’s military inventory.
This is ancient technology, there are other examples of Russia’s versatility in its weapons systems. Don’t be silly.

Антон С

Wrong, it can launch AA missiles only.

“The S-400 is a three-tier air defense system: 9M96, 48N6, and 40N6.”
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/s-400.htm

Sauron

Same example for the other commented, copy pasted:
If US thinks that it can fire nuclear missiles on Russia, and capture Russian response with ABMs while US strikes hit all the targeted cities, This theoretical outcome will make US more bald in pushing harder without consequences of mutual destruction. This is how a defensive weapon can play a role in offensive strategy.

Lone Ranger

Its not THAAD but the Aegis ashore system with land based SM3 missiles.
The problem with that is that they use the same launch tubes as the Tomahawk, which can be nuke tipped.
So it can be used as an offensive weapon system and nobody is allowed in those bases except for U.S. personel, do zero overweight…

Sauron

Aegis is now and before it was THAAD, the subject of Russian US discussions. Thats what they say for public as it sounds better. But same example.
If US thinks that it can fire nuclear missiles on Russia, and capture Russian response with ABMs while US strikes hit all the targeted cities, This theoretical outcome will make US more bald in pushing harder without consequences of mutual destruction. This is how a defensive weapon can play a role in offensive strategy.
Note: I am not talking about current nuclear readiness and capabilities of US and Russia. So don’t go full on keyboard warrior on me:)))) This is just a hypothetical example.

Jim Allen

I stumbled across the video on the topic of S-400 in Iran.
11 months ago. YT channel BORZZIKMAN.

occupybacon

Since USA anounced they fired a new prototype, they can sell the F-35 to anyone, including Taiwan

Blue In Green

Very potent development for anyone who keeps tabs on such military events.

The S-400, assuming the Iranians buy them in significant quantities, would provide downright lethal protection against any would be attack on Iranian soil. Iran would logically ink a deal for around 4-6 batteries to go along with the existing 4 S-300PMU2 batteries for a total of 8-10 modern S-300/400 batteries keeping watch over the most sensitive Iranian sights.

Those systems would be working in Tandem with indigenous BAVAR-373 system (which Iran has two active batteries set up currently) and modern 3rd of Khordad, 15th Khordad, Mersad-16 systems. Many other ADS I won’t list as it would simply be too much.

idk the likelihood of such a purchase but if Russia is already hinting that they’d be willing to sell it. Both nations could have already inked a deal long ago on what would be bought and they’re just waiting for arms embargo to lift.

occupybacon

Russia would sell to Iran anything, but the question is, has Iran the money for it?

Blue In Green

They have the money for several or more batteries of the S-400 and then some left over for some new jets and that’s about it really.

We can expect (I think) to see maybe around 30-60 jets ordered in total. Possible TOT for engines as well.

paolinks

Surely Iran has the crude! And the aluminum. Iran is one of the biggest manufacturers of aluminum sheets.

occupybacon

Does Russia needs aluminium and oil with sulfites? Russia has great aluminium mines in Siberia.

Alekai Mordechai

What makes you think ‘money’ will be used in Ruski-Persian arms deal of 21st century?

occupybacon

Simply because I don’t know what Iran produces that Russia needs in large quantities, pistacios?

Lone Ranger

Gold, rare earth minerals, money.

occupybacon

Follow up the discution not me :)

Lone Ranger

?

Jim Allen

Including large deposits of Bauxite.

Anduin Lothar

Palm oil?

Alekai Mordechai

Key word, …….. Liquified Dead Dinosaur’s

Mike

You guys are not very smart. They have oil and plenty of it. Selling oil (or simply giving it away) way below Russian cost so that they can resell it at a nice profit. That’s how it’s done. A weapons for oil program. Simple, effective, and without a single dollar used in the transaction.

occupybacon

Sounds good at first look anyway it could hurt the price of Russian oil, that would result in less profit and jobs in Russia.

Ivan Freely

No. Mike’s trade scenario wouldn’t hurt the price of Russia oil in the markets. Iranian oil wouldn’t reach market. Think of it as a barter.

Lone Ranger

Obongo gave back a $150billion.
So I guess they still have some pocket change left :)

occupybacon

Putin won’t accept dollars because on this site, a Putin fanboy predicted the Dollar will collapse by the end of the year.

Lone Ranger

Probably, but there is still plenty of time to exchange it ;)

occupybacon

In what? Who will give him gold for bux?

Lone Ranger

Whomever wants to sell gold.
Free trade capitalism…

occupybacon

Or maybe Iranians find a way to rafinate vodka from crude.

Lone Ranger

At lets call it Oddka ?

Blue In Green

It’s gonna be a real headache for America moving forward.

Iran’s conventional counter-force capabilities will see a healthy jump in operational capacity due to the new hardware coming in.

The United States really is in a bind here. American can ill-afford a conflict with Iran as it stands now yet waiting any longer will only see Iran’s military power grow exponentially.

Desperation is what i smell in the air to be honest…

Mase

Iran don’t need S400/S500 or any air defence as they already producing them in the country. Fighter jets SU57, military cargo planes, attack helicopters is what needed. Stop talking about air defence ffs

chris chuba

The SU57 would be an excellent acquisition as an air defense weapon as well. It has superior altitude ceiling to any U.S. bomber and internal bombay for the long range KS-172 which makes it ideal for intercepting U.S. strategic bombers from Diego Garcia. I’ve been thinking they should get the Mig31 but they’d be better off standardizing on one import and the SU75 is reasonably priced.

Mase

I agree SU57 will be ideal if not mig35 or SU35. Let’s not forget today is age of drones, and Iran is one of the top 5 producers in variety of drones. They are producing turbofan engines for drones with single crystal blades in Iran and only handful of countries got the knowhow. If they can produce bigger engines one day will have a quality fighter jet made in Iran

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S300 or S400 it makes no difference, they won’t have nukes.

Alekai Mordechai

What makes you think nukes are needed in 21st century?

<>

Ask the mullahs, they sure work hard to get one. Or even better, NK did the same thing and now they have about 20 nuclear bombs, is the world a safer place today?

Garga

Ah, you again with your boring “they won’t get nukes” line. Ofcourse we won’t get nukes after your regime shrieked for 20 years that Iran gets a a nuke in 3 months, we have no use for them.

Let’s talk about more exciting stuff, let’s talk about (ladies, with respect it’s under spoiler for a reason) Boobs!

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To you it may sound boring, but not to us that know a nuclear Iran will a find a way to use it. You don’t work so hard for 20 years and just do nothing with it once you get it, your regime will use it sooner or later. Oh whatever, maybe we do need a nuclear war in the Middle East just don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Garga

You are priceless.
Now all that 20 years of false alarms and lies turned into another proof for you that “it must’ve been something that they did in this 20 years”.
Yeah, we did something, we did a lot of things. We learnt how to almost complete our fuel cycle (recycling/disposing still remains). We learnt to increase the efficiency of our enrichment and we are researching for mobile reactors and nuclear propulsion. We produce a lot of radio-medicine and the research in that field is ongoing too, so it’s not working for nothing, it’s just not the thing you cry about.

With your genocidal regime nothing shall be left to luck. You are armed with all kinds of illegal weapons in addition to nuclear, chemical and biological ones and you proved that you have no moral or conscience when in comes to massacre of civilians. No… We take it seriously and we show your regime its place should it do something foolish. the thing is, we don’t need these kind of weapons to do that.

PS. We also have Bibi! :) now go and cry some more in the street. Eventually you’ll get sick and he won’t step down!
PPS. Why are you running away from “exciting” things? You not faygela, are you?

<>

What do you think about my comment that Iran might get dissolved soon Garga?

Garga

Might get dissolved, might succeed in returning the separated parts. Whatever happens, right now I want to talk about the things that boys talk about….

I didn’t think you are such a shy type.

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Sorry man I’m married, so I’m only interested in my wife. But boobs? sure, they makes the world a better place :)

Garga

Bummer… Guys in Eilat were more fun. But at least we agree on something fundamental.

tsk tsk… married and still go to protest in the middle of a raging pandemic? Irresponsible…

<>

Duty calls you know, my wife understands and supports. I hate my government as much as you hate yours, if not more. Now I see police officers beating up protesters who just stood with signs that say no to Bibi. If Bibi was an Iranian agent, then he would have been the best you got. Divided my beautiful beloved country into 2 camps and created desperation among the youths. When the law won’t protect him anymore, I swear he will pay for everything he has done to us. When he dies, I will spit on his grave and celebrate he is gone. Even without his regular mumbeling about Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas, he must pay for what he did to us Israelis and he will. As you said for 20 years he has done nothing but barking on the media, I despise him more than the mullahs.

Garga

And they say camels hold a grudge… They should come to you to learn how to to do it.

I don’t hate my government, I just don’t like Rohani admin. Our whole system is not rigged for the benefit of one person.

About Netanyabu, this guy did a lot for his regime, much more than you deserve but everything he did was built on water. He did everything that was possible or even impossible to make Americans attack us but couldn’t. Maybe it’s his real sin, not Miss Piggy hiring chef for her parties by public funds?

He is yet to turn into god’s wrath for us (never going to happen) but maybe he is god’s sense of humour and irony for you that always used to talk about Iranian “corrupt Mullah” and their harsh treatment of “protesters”.

Just as a reminder, you had a beautiful and ancient homeland, Iraq, that the Israeli scheming used American brutes to destroy. You are a migrant in the occupied lands, a schwartz and nothing more.

This time you go to protest (still irresponsible, you and your spouse are), I want you to pay attention to something. Go to front and find the ones who lead the crowd, I might have a surprise or two for you.

<>

The crowd is very anti Bibi Garga, we don’t listen to anything he says so he uses the police to disperse us. I for one have not confronted the police, nor any police officer tried to arrest me. But if I protest peacefully at my city and some police officer tries to take me by force illegally, then it won’t end well for neither of us and I try to avoid it.

Garga

1- How come when it comes to his lies about Iran, you eat it out of his palm and sniff for more?
2- What do you think you achieve is Bibi steps down? The same laws (or lack of them) that gives him his unchecked power will still be there, nothing will ever change until you have checks and balances in place; otherwise another Russian mob stooge sits in his place and continue his work or more precise, their bidding.
It’s been about 2-3 decades that Russian mob enjoys having a country of their own and a state fully supporting them. Continuation of this is dangerous for everybody.

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1. That’s the thing Garga, I don’t believe him. But I also don’t believe your mullahs claiming they don’t try to build a nuke. Only naive people would believe it, I know in Islam you can lie to your enemy as much as you want if it helps you destroy him in the end. And we all know the mullahs are not exactly secular like the Azeris
2. Our lack of laws were no problem till Bibi arrived to the PM office, every PM has always accepted the fact that if you go to court then you must resign for the sake of the country. He is the first one to ignore it, and holds his positon at every cost. That is what making the people angry, a corrupted man CAN NOT stay in his seat and keep his corruption, it makes no sense in every country not only in Israel. I don’t beleive we will ever have anyone as bad as him.

Garga

1- Then you know nothing about our religion. The only time some sort of lie is permitted is when by revealing your religion, your life is directly threatened. Otherwise lie is a sin. Here yet again you repeat propaganda about “taqiyyeh”, which I explained.
For the sake of your peace of mind, we are willing to let you inspect every single sight you desire in Iran, if you extend the same courtesy. I think it’s a very fair proposition.

2- Doesn’t matter if he is the first. What guarantee do you have that he will be the last? NONE.
You put a corrupt and bought and paid for man in a position of power and hope he plays nice. It doesn’t work that way.

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Regarding number 1, well I don’t believe it can ever happen, which is why eventually more countries will try to get nuclear weapons, maybe even KSA.
Regarding number 2, I agree we need a constitution for such cases and not just laws.

Garga

Then if you don’t do it, how can you expect us to do the very same thing which you refuse to do?
Isn’t it hypocritical? I take one step, you take one. Then I take 2 steps, you take just one, but it’s giving something to receiving something else, can’t be one-sided.

Number 2 will not happen too. In order to have a constitution, you need to define the state’s borders regardless of how your neighbours defined them. As long as your regime has expansion aspirations, they won’t define the borders. As a result you won’t have a constitution and the way is wide open for con men and genocidal maniacs to become the head of the state, all courtesy of Russian Mafia.

Edit:Remember what I asked you to do if you went to another demonstration. Don’t ever engage with your own police, they’ll make you regret it. But pay attention to the ones who are managing the crowd.

Blue In Green

I take it you’re also a little-bit wary of Russia being Iran’s partner given all that has gone down (historically)?

Garga

The Russian in 2020 is different with The Empire of Russia 2 centuries ago and the Soviet Union 40 years ago.
It’s even not the same Russia it has been 10 years ago. So to answer your question, no, I’m not concerned about Russia at all and I think part of the blame for not developing full cooperation is on us. We need to be disillusioned in political matters, as long as there’s not an official alliance between the two countries, separate [national] interests dictate how we and they behave.
These days our interests converge in some areas, we (and they) can work on those fields to deepen our bilateral ties. One thing is sure: Without one, the other is in deep trouble.

What I say about the connection between Israeli regime and the Russian mob has nothing to do with Russian government. Russian Mafia is Jewish, don’t let their cross and cathedral and Christian icon tattoos fool you. Each tattoo has a different meaning not related to Orthodox Christianity. They were the most organized force after the dissolution of the USSR, it allowed them to plunder the immense wealth which all belonged to the state and get insanely rich. Being Jewish, powerful and rich landed each one an Israeli passport and after a while, they entered politics. Most of Likudniks are these people. Whenever and wherever one of them gets caught in a country, Israeli government fully supports them and “extradites” them to Israel or brings them using various methods, from bribery to threat.
They also have some leverage on Russian government, hence the relation you see between the two countries which despite the harm Israel causes for Russia, some sort of good relations still exists.
They fully own Israel since ’90s and the situation there only gets worse because their nature is like leaches and they always go for quick bucks, not long term interests of the country or their people.

<>

I agree with you on both points, nothing else I can add. So well said.
And if a police officer attacks me (and I know Krav Maga) then it won’t end well for him and he will be sent to the nearest hospital. The thing is, I can’t take down 4 of them at the same time, so I would probably get arrested too. I still think if it worth it, afterall, a man must fight for its freedom or he doesn’t deserve it.

Garga

You’re not listening. There’s no point in hitting your psychotic police. You don’t want to prove anything to anyone, Even if they hit you, you need to suck it up and clear the way for them for the sake of your family.
why is it so hard for you meatheads to think once in your lifetime!? Your poor spouse…

This time, instead of closing your eyes and shout, open them, look, listen and absorb (needless to say I don’t want you to tell me any of it, it’s just for you alone). You will probably shocked. Be very careful NOT to take picture of the protest leaders or you’ll be in deep booboo. Just look.

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What did I miss Garga? in a sea of thousands of people at night it’s hard to see clearly. there is no real leaders to the protests, just common people like me that demand justice. I’m sure you’ve seen the demonstrations in Balfur where Bibi resides, the police used massive force but I didn’t see protesters do anything illegal. The order to hit innocent people came straight from the top, and I will not be silent about it. As I’ve said, I know self defense and I pray to God no policeman attacks me without a reason, it might end bad for me but worse for that guy.

Garga

Oh my god, you are so cute and naive.
When there is a protest and demonstration there are leaders, no exception.
No protest by that size is organic, no way in hell. Someone is organizing them, someone shouts a slogan first, someone moves the crowd this or that way. Open your eyes to know whose game you became a pawn in.

Sooner or later Bibi has to step down, he is on borrowed time. The guy is cheap, I read in Wa-Po that he and his wife take a lot of dirty laundry each time they go abroad (they said something like 5 suitcases full of dirty cloths) to wash them at the expense of the host country! Apparently it happened after he demanded that his laundry expenses don’t become public which was denied, so they found a solution! :))

And last, if you want to engage your police be my guest. I strongly advise you against it. It doesn’t matter how proficient you are in self-defence you cannot beat several guys with more or less the same training and protective gear. All you can achieve is a broken head, bruised body and probably a criminal record. Or, you can be smart and do what I told you to learn something. Entirely up to you.
Have a good night, enjoy your Khommus.

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Thanks Garga, it’s a pity we are on the opposite sides. In the end we both want our countries to have a better future. Goodnight man.

Jim Allen

Hmm…Iran, a country that hasn’t attacked another country since since 1775 is more likely to use nuclear weapons frivolously, with no apparent reason, than the fake State of Israel, (that Officially has no nukes) has been using for a decade, or more ? (most recently against Syria, and civilian infrastructure in Lebanon) Right ?

Jim Allen

It makes a difference. Hypersonic weapons fit these tubes, ya’ know.

IMHO

Air defenses can be easily overwhelmed.

Potato Man

American and the Zion shit dome can easily get overwhelmed, yes.
LMFAO Gaza homemade can still go through shit dome, let not talk about the cost of the shit dome.
Zion missiles (which are much better Gaza homemade rockets) most of the time get shot down by S-300 in Syria LOL.
yeah nah S-400 wouldn’t get overwhelm that easily.

IMHO

No. Any air defense. Your hatred just makes you sound stupid.

Potato Man

LMFAO, did you even read tho, just saying facts burhhh.
Not all air defense system are same you stupid? Moronic of you.

IMHO

Look Mr. Potato Head. ANY AIR DEFENSE CAN BE OVERWHELMED. Only a retard thinks otherwise. Get out of your self made La La land.

Potato Man

All I said was some systems are better than others, how hard is that for you to understand.
I didn’t said Russian one’s aren’t or wouldn’t get overwhelmed.
What is the point to say “ANY AIR DEFENSE CAN BE OVERWHELMED”? No shit buddy but the thing is you commenced under Russia says “No problem” delivering S-400….
Mr IMHO you pouring salt and the way you said was like you comparing S-400s to shity systems such as Americans and Israel one’s.

I stop, no point I take the hit. BTW fuk you my La La land is much better than yours suck my 2 inch dic(.

IMHO

Nice try to crawfish out of it. Your stupidity shows in your language. No one can take you seriously.

Potato Man

LMFAO I was going to see what you gonna say after I said that, LOL.
I was trying to what type of person you are… hahahahahahah
“Nice try to crawfish out of it.” LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Антон С

Proven by houthis’ UAVs in S.Arabia with their “Patriot PAC-2” and PAC-3 (version for interception of ballistic missiles) against ballistic missiles of “Ansar Allah”.

Garga

Europeans said they extend their own arms embargo of Iran to 2023.
As if Iran is that stupid to buy any kind of weapon system from them. They know it too, it’s some sort of appeasing to crazies in DC and Israel.

They do not sell spare parts even for civilian airliners buses and trucks. The only time you see a backbone in those Europeans is when they ganged up with the US against a small and weak nation and talk loud and insist on following every letter of the “international law”, which is nothing but their prepared and voted UNSC resolutions. How do they get the votes, is a very interesting story…

Potato Man

NATO: “The North Atlantic Treaty Organization, also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance between 30 North American and European countries.”
30 of them had to suck each other to not fight and “fight” against one country Russia LMFAO.
If they didn’t obey they would get cocked by US right away. They have no power.

BTW I think they did that because they knew Iran wouldn’t buy anything from them to begin with.
Why would Iran buy weapons from American dogs.

Assad must stay

truly great deliver them asap please and thanks :)))

Vox Populi

Russia is intent on arming Iran as it can see the benefits of a military alliance with a large influential nation on its unstable southern borders.

“We are not afraid of U.S. threats and we will live up to our
commitments,” Russian Ambassador to Tehran said, explaining that Russia will properly
consider Iranian arms requests despite continued pressure from the U.S.
for nations to further isolate Tehran.

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