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Ripple Effects: Greece And Turkey Open New Northern Front On Libyan Conflict

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Ripple Effects: Greece And Turkey Open New Northern Front On Libyan Conflict

Turkey’s claimed maritime zone clashes with those of all of its neighbours on the Mediterranean

Greece’s navy has declared a state of heightened alert and deployed ships to the Aegean Sea in response to a Turkish vessel conducting seismic surveys for energy exploration purposes close to a disputed maritime area.

On Tuesday the Greek foreign ministry issued a formal protest to Turkey following the announcement that a Turkish drilling ship would conduct explorations in the maritime area south of the Greek island of Kastellorizo in the south eastern Aegean. The foreign ministry also released a statement:

“We call on Turkey to immediately cease its illegal activities, which violate our sovereign rights and undermine peace and security in the region.”

Following Turkey’s rejection of the protest, the Greek Navy has sent ships to patrol in the area.

“Navy units have been deployed since yesterday in the south and southeastern Aegean,” a navy source told AFP, declining to give further details.

Athens has stated that Turkish surveys in sections of the Greek continental shelf constitute an escalation of the tension in the region where the two countries dispute the boundary of their respective maritime areas. LINK

Experts cited in media reports have interpreted Turkey’s conduct as designed to test Greece’s determination to defend its interests in the eastern Mediterranean region, and believe that the Turkish leadership’s moves may also be linked to the Libyan conflict. According to this interpretation of the latest developments, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan apparently seeks to “test” the reaction of his opponents. LINK

A report in Xinhua suggests that Greece’s response is to draw even closer to Egypt. Greece and Egypt have been holding negotiations over the demarcation of an exclusive economic zone in the eastern Mediterranean, however the boundaries of the area they are discussing overlaps with the area which was subject to a maritime agreement signed by Turkey and the Tripoli-based Government of National Accord in Libya late last year (the two parties also signed a military agreement pursuant to which Turkey has sent thousands of fighters and a large amount of weapons and supplies to the Government of National Accord).

Ripple Effects: Greece And Turkey Open New Northern Front On Libyan Conflict

The zone claimed pursuant to the Turkey-GNA agreement signed late last year

Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi received a phone call from Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis on Thursday, during which they discussed regional issues, with a focus on the Libyan crisis.

According to the Xinhua report, Sisi expressed Egypt’s opposition to “illegitimate foreign intervention” in Libyan domestic affairs, citing that they would further exacerbate the security conditions in Libya in a way that affects the stability of the entire region, said Egyptian presidential spokesman Bassam Rady in a statement.

For his part, the Greek prime minister also voiced rejection of foreign interference in Libya, while highlighting the political course as a key solution for the Libyan issue.

He hailed Egypt’s “sincere efforts” that seek a peaceful settlement to the Libyan crisis, according to the statement.

Over the past few years, the Egyptian-Greek ties have been growing closer, with their growing enmity with Turkey also resulting in them developing a similar position on Libya. The talks between Sisi and Mitsotakis took place just a few days after the Egyptian parliament approved a possible troop deployment in Libya to defend Egypt’s western borders with the war-torn country. LINK

A perceptive analysis of the emerging Turkey-Libya (Tripoli) relations published last month remains just as salient to describe the situation today:

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan gambled big in Libya and won big – so far. This victory portends important changes in the politics of the Mediterranean, for Turkey has succeeded not only in demonstrating its determination to become the dominant player in the Eastern Mediterranean, but also in showcasing its military prowess and wherewithal. The latter might precipitate a deeper conflict and crisis in the region, extending north toward Greece.

Erdogan threw his support behind the UN-recognized Government of National Accord (GNA) against General Khalifa Haftar’s Libyan National Army (LNA), which had besieged the GNA’s capital, Tripoli. Haftar suffered a humiliating defeat as Turkish drones, troops, navy vessels and some 10,000 Syrian fighters transported by Ankara to Libya stopped him in his tracks and then forced him to abandon bases and territory. A last-minute call for a ceasefire by Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi was rejected by the victorious GNA, which has set its aims at capturing other towns, including the critical port city of Sirte.

Indirectly, this was also a defeat for the countries that had backed Haftar: Egypt, the UAE and Russia. The UAE had contributed military equipment and the Russians non-state mercenary forces.

Turkey’s Libya expedition has to be seen from two perspectives. First, the GNA concluded a deal with Ankara that delineated their respective Exclusive Economic Zones (EEZ) in such a way that it divides the Mediterranean Sea into two sections. Turkey’s purpose is to hinder efforts by Egypt, Cyprus, Israel and Greece to export natural gas, either through a pipeline or on LNG vessels, to Europe. Turkey has aggressively interfered with efforts by these to drill for gas. Ankara claims that most of the waters around Cyprus actually belong to Turkey or to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, a country recognized only by Turkey.

However, more important than simply preventing Eastern Mediterranean gas exports is the underlying strategy driving this push against Haftar. From the moment he assumed power in 2003, Erdogan has striven to elevate Turkey’s international role to that of a regional, if not global, power. Initially, his strategy was one of “zero problems with neighbors,” which served to emphasize Turkey’s soft power. The primary driver, however, was the desire for Turkey to assume a hegemonic position over the Middle East. This policy foundered and was essentially buried by the Arab Spring.

What has replaced it is a more aggressive and militarized posture that takes the fight to perceived enemies. That could mean anyone and everyone, since Turks tend to see most countries as a threat, even if they are allies. LINK

While Turkey has bet big and won big so far, it appears that the period of relatively easy victories is over and its aggressive moves are going to face more resistance in future. As Turkey continues to shows no sign of moderating its expansionist claims and manoeuvres, the region is now moving irrevocably towards a catastrophic military clash as Turkey and Egypt have drawn incompatible ‘red lines’ in Libya, with the coastal town of Sirte likely to be the detonator (or possibly the Jufra airbase to the south).

An international agreement promoted by the UN in 2014-2015 established an executive body and a legislative body to govern Libya and pave the way for a more permanent arrangement. However, fundamental disagreements between the two quasi-State organizations resulted in a complete split, with the executive arm becoming the ‘UN-backed’ Government of National Accord based in Tripoli and the House of Representatives relocating to Tobruk (thus the legislative arm is also ‘UN-backed’, though this detail is usually omitted from mainstream media reports).

Turkey has allied itself with the Government of National Accord (GNA), Egypt has allied itself with the House of Representatives (and its armed forces, the Libyan National Army – the LNA – headed by Khalifa Haftar). More generally, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates and Russia are invariably reported as supporting the LNA, while the GNA is mainly backed by Turkey and Qatar.

Following the drastic changes on the battlefield over the last two months as the GNA swept the LNA from its positions around Tripoli following a failed attempt to capture the Libyan capital, both Turkey and Egypt have committed themselves to positions that are in direct conflict, indicating that a major armed clash is inevitable unless there is a major diplomatic breakthrough or one of the two sides accepts a humiliating backdown.

Specifically, Turkey and the Government of National Accord are demanding that the Libyan National Army (which recently gave Egypt permission to send its armed forces into Libya) withdraw from the two areas (Sirte and Jufra) and have expressed their determination to take the areas by force if necessary. The Libyan National Army and Egypt have stated that any attempt to capture the two areas will result in Egypt entering Libya in force, which would result in a direct confrontation between Turkey and Egypt. While Egypt has the advantage of sharing a long land border with Libya, in the event of a major conflict air and maritime power could be decisive.

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  • Lone Ranger

    So will three NATO countries France, Turkey and Greece really fight eachother over Lybia…?
    Oy gevalt…
    Grabbing popcorn…

    • FlorianGeyer

      I have ordered a super size box of popcorn to view any NATO on NATO hostilities.

      It would make a pleasant change to the wall to wall Covid19 nonsense.

    • Brother Ma

      Greece and Turkey were at war in Cyprus and the UN /Nato did nothing which meant they were behind Turkey stealing Cyprus. I would not be surprised if Germany and the US secretly want a war to occur so Greece ,France and Turkey all take casulaties so GermanoUSAzio gets more power in Nato

    • ivan cohen

      this is the result of american behavior…… every nation interest, must not undermine interests of other nations, and this is a modern and right principle. But americans started from 1898 to think which everywhere they have interests, in short Hitler’s lebensraum was right and undisputable…. or.. not…?
      American behavior deserve to be limited greatly, in converse if not, ww3 is very close.
      international relations must change and ONU MUST BE ELIMINATED COMPLETELY, ONU FAILED FROM THE VERY FIRST, because is in NY and because who bring more money to ONU then can decide whatever wants…… it’s the same of coming back to 1700-1800 colonialism.
      It’s time to change…. completely and very deep

  • johnny rotten

    Will the brave Erdo succeed in destroying NATO? I wish you with all my heart.

    • FlorianGeyer

      With a fair wind the barbarism inflicted on Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon by NATO will spill over into the EU. :)

    • ivan cohen

      the only good thing the turks can do is destroying nato, then being very similar to animal status is very difficult for them to have relationship with every people all around the world

  • Fog of War

    Greece better be very careful. If a conflict starts with Turkey, Greece will quickly realize one of the purposes behind why its borders were flooded with ” migrants “. In fact most of Europe would and possibly will .

    • JIMI JAMES

      Hundreds of kiiddies are beng sent from greece to germany and obviously other eu nations,
      if greek/governance are not complicit in child trafficking scam,what the hell is?
      Personally not impressed with greek cia/usa muppet regime,hence why erdo took sophia,
      Putin,Trump+ xi not so much keen supporting such greek/neo-liberal/soros/eu-epp players!

      • mhtsaropinigitakis

        stop smoking weed plz

    • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

      You remember a cool big Greek ship called Averof. Give thanks to it. Do you know how many Turks learned how to swim because of it?

      • Mustafa Mehmet

        Or you learned how to swim when you was running away to escape from Turkish Army…. izmir to Greece remember?

        • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

          Wait a while and you will see what will happen in Turkey …..the director of YeniSafak, forgets and escapes in his article, that “… there was a conspiracy that wanted to send the Turks back to Central Asia ..”!….Back to Central Asia !! Back to Central Asia !!!
          So he admits that you are Mongols and therefore never lived in the Aegean and the Mediterranean! Today, live there, because you slaughtered, looted and committed genocides of peoples who lived in these areas for thousands of years!. But there is something called Universal Justice … it comes to you. You will go back to Central Asia where you came from.

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            Re yorgo if you insist turks r mongol OK .. so what is wrong with mongol people. Greek roots r slavic most of you people still carrying ottoman blood. what’s wrong with that.. go back to your cave and play with your 💩

          • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

            The truth bothers you …We lived here in these lands before the Ottomans even appeared.. We are the most ancient people on the planet Mongol
            for this and we remember 3 floods while all other peoples only one. go back to your cave and play with your 💩 mongoole…mongoole…mongoole

          • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

            mongoole…mongoole…mongoole mongoole…mongoole…mongoole

          • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

            and to tell you in your barbaric language…yine yıllar ve zamanlarla, yine bizim olacak !!!

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            fat chance for that good luck.. haritalar her zaman değişebilir watch it

          • Vas

            hahaha Greek roots are Slavic? Go read some history uneducated mongol. Slavs came many came centuries after in this region.

            As for blood, you mean many of you have Greek blood, no wonder why in the more “civilized” Asia Minor(western Turkey) and in many parts of Constantinople you people have a lot more European look than mongol look, because our blood infective you with white European blood. If you want to see how a pure blooded Turk looks like then go in central and eastern Turkey and you will see the mongol faces all over the place which all of them are poor, uneducated and live indeed in caves.

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            500 years under ottoman rules thing again.. even my friend andria admit he’s saying I bet you we greeks all ottoman bastardo

          • Vas

            Only in your dreams mongol, many of u have European blood in Asia Minor and Constantinople, but a pure blooded mongol is ugly as hell lol.

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            ISTANBUL RE VAS VAS

          • ivan cohen

            also today turks have good cave where live….. in summer is a fresh location, but is forever a cave and give us the measure of your level of civilization, the animal status is clear

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            I never admit anything. You keep repeating yourself like a parrot.. I come from Mongolia..ok. and you come Ethiopia…you settled in Greece.. Türks settled in Turkey what is wrong with that.. so we not going anywhere soon..

          • Vas

            Greeks were native to those lands for thousands of years bob, many thousands of years before any mongol like you come to this region.
            Everything you see around that region was and still is Greek, with Greek names, Greek art, Greek monuments.

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            vas it? .. I bet moon blong to Greek too. What was the Greek population then holding so much land that is not possible wake up dreaming a dream again. slavic vas vas

          • Vas

            Sure mongol Turk, everything is Greek in this region, you can cry all you want, all the islands are Greek as they were for thousands of years. Cry mongol.

          • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ
        • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

          We are a naval people … we know both from swimming and from the sea….but you as Mongols who are you do not know by sea and swimming…you are like the fish are talking from the bottom hahahaha

          • cechas vodobenikov

            while western culture largely derives from Greece—partly from Persia and Arabs, Greeks in my experience r civilized enough to patiently permit Turkey to defeat themselves—-by overextending themselves, ruining their own society by geocoding Kurds, etc

    • kamalashila

      This is not about Greece. This ia aout EU. and a know surely, we are willing to go in war with turkey. we will not allow to take these our resources. and if erdo will be stupid, we take also bosphorus and dardanellas and tzrky will be not anymore inportent for nato, too. we will finish the turkics occupation of north cyorus and so we get nice amoubt of maritimal and airbases. incirlik will be not importatnt, finally, after turkey lose the war, will be established free kurdistan in souteast turkey.
      if erdogan will not change his polocy, these are the last years of turkey.

      • Ishyrion Av

        kamalashila, you are probably right in every aspect
        but please, do a google translate first if you are not familiar with English (I think very few here speak English as their native language, still we don’t kill each other with the spelling)

        • kamalashila

          i corrected my mistypes. sorry, i was writing during breakfast.

      • Brother Ma

        I believe Greece should be ” Ak and Mavi Vatan” …” to the white and blue of the waters of Lake Van and the Euphrates respectively” . Tell all Turks this so they shiver in their boots.

      • Mustafa Mehmet

        To much ouzo Again

  • Alberto Garza

    turkey and erdogan have become a big problem for europe and russia it will drag nato into a war sooner o later.

    • Lone Ranger

      Not a problem for Russia.
      But a problem for the U.S. and NATO.

      • Ronald

        I think its a problem for Russia, but more Europe.
        He is such a mad man, he thinks he can take Libya and Egypt, then Europe.

      • Brother Ma

        Russia will in the long term need to support its orthodox brothers again soon. No one can remain an ally of Turkey for long.

        • Lone Ranger

          I agree.
          But for now because of the sake of Syria, Russia has walk the razors edge.

  • Paul

    Support Greece.Even though I don’t agree with Christians I would support Greece over turkey

    • Mustafa Mehmet

      so what’s going to happen paul boy

      • Paul

        Well Turks talk big and do little.Turkey is still not able to control Kurdish groups let alone a fully equipped army like Greece.

        • Mustafa Mehmet

          fully equipped gr army? just ISTANBUL population enough for Greece.

          • kamalashila

            what istanbul? we knov only constantinopolis.

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            Does not make any difference how do you know. Whole world knows as beautiful city call ISTANBUL

          • Ishyrion Av

            Of, turks. Arrogant and stupid as always. Almost I feel pity for what will happen to you.

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            Re yani let it be. in life whatever will be will be. do not worry about turks.

          • kamalashila

            without turkey.

          • Garga

            If only Mehmet’s soldiers understood what “stin poli” means when they stopped and asked the villagers going to the city “nerede?” in 1452-3.

            I guess the current name of the city is a bitter joke for every Greek.

          • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

            Constantinople (City) is built on the site of the ancient Greek city of Byzantium, named after the Byzantines of Megara, who founded it in the year 667 BC. ..YOU DON’T KNOW AND SAY NONSENSE … GREEKS BUILT IT…BEFORE IT IS NAMED ISTANBUL, IT WAS CALLED BYZANTIUM FROM THE NAME OF VYZA FROM THE MEGARA OF ATTICA…FOOL … AND THE CORRECT NAME IS HELLAS ΝΟΤ GREEK.

          • Garga

            Chill the fuck out and re-read what I wrote before shouting to people with caps on.

            I am directly pointing that current name of the city is the direct result of the illiteracy of Ottoman soldiers who thought “to the city” or “I’m going to the city” meant the name of the city which they took under siege.

            Winners of war change the name of places all the time. Koenigsberg becomes Kaliningrad for some reasons but Constantinople became Istanbul because of illiteracy or idiocy, pick whichever you like.

            God! Both you Ancient Greece worshipers and our Ancient Persian worshipers are the same, stupid, always looking at the distant past and NEVER to present or god-forbid, future. All you know is babbling about how great Greece or Persia (they feel ashamed to say Iran) was great and whatnot, while not lifting a finger to help their respective countries moving a step forward. Try to help your country for a change instead of attacking people on internet boards about 500 years old matters without understanding them.

          • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

            Chill the fuck out and re-read what I wrote before shouting to people with caps on… Constantinople had another name … “Αϊς Τεμπούλ” or Temple. I am writing this because the world is full of self-taught historians who are ready to explain everything. “Eis tin polin” is said to be the etymology of Istanbul. It is to laugh non-stop for two days. It’s not just you who don’t know … but most people.

    • James Adams

      You don’t support Christians or Muslims. I’m guessing your a communist?

  • Ronald

    “Air and marine power will be decisive”.
    My guess is that Turkey has the air power, and Greece has the marine power.
    Who has the the best submarines ?

    • Lone Ranger

      Turkey is vastly superior militarily unfortunatelly.
      On all fronts.

      • Vas

        Oh yeah how so, have you ever bother to compare them, especially the most 2 important branches like navy and airforce? We have the same about amount of jets, and ships, subs. But for sure Turkey is not doing well in naval warfare(never were a sea nation) while Greece has great reputation, also in daily dogfights the Turks getting beaten easily, especially now that Sultan has jailed and remove many turkish experience pilots.

        As for ground forces, well do not expect any great WW2 style campaign that will last years or even months, there is not a lot of room in the Greco-Turkish borders to conduct large scale armoured warfare, still even the Greek army is very large in size to hold any attack, even counter-attack.

        And also one big advantage over Turkey is the air-defences, Turkey not only have to deal with the sizeable Hellenic air-force, but also have to deal with one of the most dense and numerous air-defences(S-300, Patriot, Tor, I.Hawk, Crotale, OSA etc) in the NATO/West, perhaps the most dense, something that Turkey lacks.
        And one last thing, right now Turkey will be stupid to open another front with Greece, they already have in Libya and Syria and they are not going well either, do you think they can afford to open a third one against a peer adversary?

      • Brother Ma

        I doubt that. Why do you say this?

        • Lone Ranger

          Im not pro Turkish, dont get me wrong.
          The air force is more or less equal.
          But Turkey has more subs and cruisers.
          And more ground troops, Turkey has the largest number of tanks in Europe after Russia.
          They have more tanks than all the other EU countries combined.
          Aside from that Turkey has a robust arms industry, they can manufacture and copy many things at home.

          • Brother Ma

            I agree with your last paragraph. Tanks and troops, yep! But they have to get them to Greece and Cyprus first and both are not very flat. They are of the more mountainous countries of the world ,like Iran. Excellent tank- killing country. So they can only come in via the narrow Evros border or by sea. Hard work indeed when even sandal -wearers with atgms can kill them .

            To come across the sea they need to have total air /naval superiority . Greeks are instinctively mariners and Turks aren’t . Greece has the biggest merchant marine so they know how to turn ships on a dime etc.

            In any case ,i hope Erdo sees sense because I see lots of blood …

          • cechas vodobenikov

            logistics matter….turkey possesses a competent military according to reports—but smaller and less well equipped than Egypt….full scale wars no longer exist—today we observe wars of attrition, proxy wars, hybrid wars….Greece and Turkey will not engage in a large conflict—-this serves neither side….Greece can rely on more assistance from others than can turkeys

          • Brother Ma

            Excellent piints

          • ypovalkanios_katimas

            Greece has type 214 submarines.. in every nato excercise dynamic manta ,turks have repeatedly failed to spot that submarine and got ”sunk” multiple times At last dynamic manta turks asked nato not allow greece to bring down that submarine type

          • Lone Ranger

            Turkey also has the same German subs if Im not mistaken.

          • ypovalkanios_katimas

            they have not taken the first one yet

          • Lone Ranger

            But they will this year probably.
            And they will copy it at their local shipyard…
            6 on order…

          • Vas

            It will take several years to deliver those, pass the sea trials and getting them ready for action. It took Greece years to do the same in which the first Greek Type 214 was delivered in 2010.

            And there is no way they can copy something as advance as Type 214, you giving in way too much credit to them.

            Greece has 11 subs in which 5 of them are AIP tech and way more advance than anything the Turks have, those subs are enough to sink half the turkish fleet, the rest of their fleet will go down by other Greek ships, Mirage’s armed with AM-39 Exocets and the numerous coastal anti-ship batteries that are placed in many islands with a range that covers their shores.

          • Lone Ranger

            Let’s hope you are right.
            Turks made a deal with Germany, they will copy it.

          • Lone Ranger

            But they will this year probably.
            And they will copy it at their local shipyard…
            6 on order…

          • Lone Ranger

            But they will this year probably.
            And they will copy it at their local shipyard…
            6 on order…

          • ivan cohen

            in the bottom of the Mediterranean tanks don’t perform very well…. For what I know a leopard in sea have very small power

      • ivan cohen

        i don’t think so. Greek armies (army, naval and air), are vastly technologically superior of turkish army of tatters, then if turks touch greece can have a very bad return from many EU nations from spain to france, italy, and others, parhaps also Egypt, turks are very very very alone : Then perhaps also israHELL can change his friends

      • ΠΑΡΜΕΝΙΩΝ

        bullsheet…This is a myth that came out on purpose

    • mhtsaropinigitakis

      the air power is obviously with Greece…everyday there are dogfight over Aegean and every day its the Turkish airfoce that looses

    • kamalashila

      greece has now the eu on its side. macron began to send troops in east mediterranean region.

      • Mustafa Mehmet

        no problem ship full of frogs

    • Brother Ma

      Have they found the two turk subs yet?

      Also i’d say Air is also on greece’s side.Best pilots and experiences in all europe if not the world.

  • MH370 Atok The Deceiver

    northern cyprus territoy extended into the southern sea making southern cyprus have nearly nothing left..ridiculous

    • Brother Ma

      No such thing as North and South Cyprus. There is only Turk -occupied Cyprus and Free Cyprus.

      • Mustafa Mehmet

        FREE T,R,N,C and greek occupied south cyprus you mean

        • ivan cohen

          you need a deep psychiatric cure

    • Mustafa Mehmet

      Because all Cyrus belong to turks. South Greek communities just the guest temporary

      • Vas

        haha you are funny Mustafa, the entire region was(and still is) Greek thousands of years ago, long before any mongol tribe from your kind come to Aegean sea and eastern Mediterranean.
        There is not a single person in the world that claims otherwise, only Turks are so delusional.
        Even all the monuments that you show to your tourists are Greek made, because you have no history or legacy to show them, or any other monument and art.

        • ivan cohen

          not only, turks were barbaric, but now they are very close to animal status

          • FANFARONE 🐗 Year of the Pig 🐖👌

            not animal status but more like gypsy posers cifteteli dancers

          • ivan cohen

            ora posso rivelarmi, visto il nome penso che ci capiremo
            probabilmente magari siamo anche paesani

          • FANFARONE 🐗 Year of the Pig 🐖👌

            una faccia una razza

          • ivan cohen

            mahh più che di razza io penso che sia leggermente diverso, i giudei li identifico nelle loro attività, nell’estrema malignità ed intenzioni, e poi nelle azioni che li contraddistinguono, non è mai esistito nella terra e nella sua storia un gruppo di avidi infernali assassini che per “innalzare” le loro posizioni hanno e fanno di tutto e di più per eliminare, massacrare i loro “nemici”, nemici che si sono creati per le loro esclusive azioni crudeli razziste (nella peggiore delle accezioni possibili, tanto che il nazismo al loro confronto era una banda di ragazzi inesperti….). Hanno assorbito tutto quanto di malevolo. criminale, razzista possibile esiste nella terra per sottomettere tutta l’umanità ed a schiavizzarla ai loro interessi ed azioni.
            Il Lebensraum di Hitler era qualcosa di giustificabile messo a confronto con la Greater Israhell!!!!

          • HiaNd

            “Il Lebensraum di Hitler era qualcosa di giustificabile”
            Was it?

            Now the Muslim Caliphate needs “Lebensraum” in your rotten EU and that’s exactly what you deserve.
            A poetic justice paid to perfidy full, rotten, wimpish EU !

          • ivan cohen

            you don’t know me, so you can’t understand un cazzo, poi non capisci un cazzo anche se mi conoscessi

          • HiaNd

            Why would I “know you”?
            You are hardly worth talking to..

            I can read and understand very well how do you see us Slavic people from your Arian fascist, supremacist perspective.
            Next time Germans decide to seek ‘lebensraum’ on the East, they’ll become one huge ashtray without population.
            Nothing will save them from punishment.

          • ivan cohen

            you have not understood UN CAZZO, but if you want to continue to offend not having understood what I’ve told, it’s a your great problem.
            Then I have not offended anyone, specially slavic people, which I like very much in the person of Putin, Lavrov and other very good statists which western nation Have not. Specially fascist americans and their zionist counterpart which I hate so much.
            I repeat, you have not understood what I told. And the meaning of……
            From now please before talk, you must clic ON in your brain

          • ivan cohen

            non proprio il mio è uno pseudonimo… in cui evidenzio il vero aspetto e la vera anima dei giudei

          • Mustafa Mehmet

            Ananı türkler siksin pust pezevek

          • FANFARONE 🐗 Year of the Pig 🐖👌

            golugolu gluglugluglu yogurtlu

      • MH370 Atok The Deceiver

        just like China comunist claiming 90% of south china sea with 9 dash line. expansionist warmongering

        • Mustafa Mehmet

          Not at all., that is the truth whole Cyprus belongs to Turks usual Greeks claiming Cyprus too. Just like the rest of the island around Turkey all belongs to greeks they hopeing

  • Hannibal Lecter

    Turkey is only big talk and nothing else, they have been fighting with scattered groups with no modern support from these groups in Syria till now. In Libya things have changed and if they make the wrong move they will deal with an organized and fully equipped army, if they make the biggest mistake of all and try find out how the Greeks will respond then it will be their fatal and last mistake.

  • James Adams

    Greece needs to unify with South Cyprus and deploy at least 10,000 troops in Libya in order to defeat the Syrian rebels and warlords there.

    • Mustafa Mehmet

      cost money they cannot afford it

      • ivan cohen

        nor the tourks possess money to go in three wars. Also USA will not go in three wars in contemporary

  • cechas vodobenikov

    the turkeys r birds impotent—a declining economy, worthless currency—50 -60 million in poverty so incompetent they r unable to genocide Kurds like they did Armenians…..their imperialism is costing them economically and politically…even the ameikans favor the LNA…..as civilized peoples reject murdering civilians, they employ civilians as human shields, fund ISIS. soon unable to distract their peasants from domestic problems and unable to extort the EU for billions of euros by preventing immigration of the refugees they create they will retreat to their muslim brotherhood circus

  • igybundy

    How many noticed the crooked lines drawn by the self proclaimed chosen? Seems they really have trouble going straight and the more power they hold over one, the more crooked they get..