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Reward Clinton’s Hawkishness Because Trump’s Foreign Policy Is Uncertain?

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Reward Clinton's Hawkishness Because Trump's Foreign Policy Is Uncertain?

Originally appeared at MoonOfAlabama

For me, as a non U.S. person, the major issues of the U.S. presidential elections is always foreign policy. There Trump is not hawkish at all. He has somewhat confused, unlearned blustering positions on foreign policy but is basically a cautious, risk averse businessman. He consistently criticizes the war mongering in Washington DC. Hillary Clinton is a run-of-the-mill warmongering neoconservative compatible with the imperial “mainstream” of the power centers in Washington and elsewhere.

Trump has called up this contrast again and again (as do I). In a speech (vid at 53:20 min) in Grand Rapids Michigan on October 31 he again highlights these points. Some excerpts (taken from this partial transcript part 9, 10):

Hillary led us to disaster in Iraq, in Syria, in Libya. … Hillary and our failed Washington establishment have spent $6 trillion on wars in the Middle East, and now it’s worse than it’s ever been before.Had Obama and others gone to the beach, Obama could have gone to the golf course, we would have been in much better shape.

We shouldn’t have gone into the war, and she thinks I’m a hawk. Oh, Donald Trump.

Imagine if some of the money had been spent, $6 trillion in the Middle East, on building new schools and roads and bridges right here in Michigan.

Now Hillary, trapped in her Washington bubble, that’s blind to the lessons, wants to start a shooting war in Syria in conflict with a nuclear armed Russia that could drag us into a World War III.

Okay, folks. She – I’ll tell you what. She will get us into World War III. She will get us into World War III. I will tell you that. She’s incompetent. She will get us into World War III.

The arrogant political class never learns. They keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again. They keep telling the same lies. They keep producing the same failed results.

Trump may well be lying when he says he does not seek a conflict with Russia or anyone else. Trump surely lies on other issues. But those are mostly rather obvious lies and some are even a bit comical. He is playing Reagan on economic issues, promising tax cuts that can not be financed (and which Reagan had to take back in the end when he introduced the biggest tax hike ever). On many issues we do not know what Trump is really planning to do (or if he plans at all). But he has never given the impression that he is hawkish or willing to incite a war.

Clinton on the other hand has a proven record of being a proactive hawk. She is willing to go to war and to kill people because the U.S. can.

She is a political animal totally dependent on her sponsors. Economically she is pro-banks, pro-big-business and for further deregulation. A neoliberal. The only “liberal” standpoints she has are on some hyped identity issues relevant only for a very tiny group of people like transgenders. She told her real voters, the people who pay her, that her public standpoint on many issues is different from the one she will pursue. She did not mean that what she will pursue will be less hawkish than her public stand, or that she will be more progressive on economic issues than she openly claims.

Clinton assures us that Trump is Putin’s puppet who will start a nuclear World War III with Russia. She doesn’t say how that computes. Will Putin order Trump to give him asylum in Washington while Moscow and Washington get nuked?

With Trump the U.S. would get a president who is a pretty unknown factor but, in my judgment, a less dangerous one to the U.S. and the world than Clinton. With her the next useless and deadly wars are practically guaranteed.

Micah Zenko, who’s opinion I value, agrees with my diagnose, Trump is less hawkish, but has a different judgement:

When it comes to foreign policy, Trump’s own positions make him the most immoral, poorly informed, and dangerous presidential candidate in recent American history.If Clinton is elected, there will undoubtedly be troubling foreign-policy positions and actions which must be thoroughly questioned and scrutinized. I just deeply hope that citizens have the opportunity to hold a President Hillary Clinton to account.

The citizens of the United States now have an opportunity to hold Secretary of State Clinton to account for her “We came, we saw, he died” war on Libya and for escalating the war on Syria. The militaristic (and failed) pivot to Asia, the “regime changes” putsches in Honduras and Ukraine and the deterioration of relations with Russia are also to a large part her work. Should the voters reward her for all the death, misery and new dangers she created as Secretary of State by making her President?

Who would I vote for? Not Hillary. Not for Trump either. Some third party candidate – probably Stein of the Green Party. It would be a “useless and wasted” vote in the short term though such votes have some light influence on the programs of the big parties. In the long term the example of voting third parties will hopefully induce more people to do the same. If it becomes a more common, regular thing to do it might over time break the duopoly of today’s consensus in Washington. It is a small chance, but possibly a big long-term reward.

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Gary Wells

Re: “In the long term the example of voting third parties will hopefully induce more people to do the same. If it becomes a more common, regular thing to do it might over time break the duopoly of today’s consensus in Washington.”

The US, and by extension, the world, are facing what is very possibly a existential crisis in the near future should Clinton be elected. Her greed, her complete lack of a moral and ethical compass, her unconditional support of Israel, and her self-serving vilification of Russia her gun hoe support of war inform me that she completely unsuitable to serve even a week, never mind a single term as president.

There is much to criticize about Donald Trump – coarse speech, misogyny, and inexperience come to mind. That said, however, I think the US and the world will survive four years of Donald Trump. On the other hand, Trump has been very critical of the current American, so he might actually do some good.

In the words of Lou Reed, “There is no time” to wait and hope for the breaking of the political duopoly that has captured the United States.

chris chuba

One of the things I had only recently considered is that Hillary might be even more reckless because of her mounting legal problems if she is elected. I’m basically floating the wag the dog theory. She would welcome a foreign policy crisis to delay or suspend any legal proceedings against herself while she stacks the deck with more friendly appointments in the Justice Dept.

If HRC goes the Uber-hawk route, she could even pick up a few useful idiots on the Republican side like Marco Rubio. I can just see him now, ‘when facing tyrants, like Putin who threaten our way of life and our ability to lead the M.E. into stability and a peaceful future both Republicans and Democrats must rally around even a flawed leader’.

Carol Davidek-Waller

Last I heard the ME is not a U.S. protectorate. Any attempts ‘lead it into peace and stability??’ are considered war crimes. The presence of the U.S. in any nation not it’s own has produced the very opposite of peace and stability. U.S. ruling elites cannot create peace and stability within their own borders. They have no ability (and no desire) to do so elsewhere. Peace and stability are the products of justice and respect for the rights of others. US ruling elites have no interest in either.

Gue Bjuen

i don’t know what trump’s gonna do after he gets elected but i am pretty sure what the people are going to do. i don’t think it’s important to focus on whether trump will act like he said, or whether he will be physically killed or politicallly killed. it just doesn’t matter anymore because the majority of the people reached their critical tolerance. so whatever happens, if it’s not the promissed one, the people will act. in my opinion, the US is going to have the greatest danger of a civill war. but we have to consider that only a civil force and fight the US corruption. the US system is build by the corrupted small group of people. they are in every key positions, key areas of the US. how can you fight this corrupted people with peaceful methods. they have the same mentality like serial killers. they are very horrific, merciless and brutal people. always telling lies, and to hide their lies more liying do they need. so is there a peaceful way to fight that jewish corruption? i would say no. that only exists in movies. because the US is the heart and source of world jewish corruption. before they find an alternative they will never leave the country. the only way the make them leave without regarding their schedule, is only by civil force. and the people really want to have a great US. but to have one, they need to fight corruption. wihtout that process, they won’t have anything similar to that.


“how can you fight this corrupted people with peaceful methods, while the enemy “have the same mentality like serial killers. they are very horrific, merciless and brutal people. always telling lies, and to hide their lies more lying do they need” ???


Real Anti-Racist Action

She is a borg. The Borg in Star Trek are multi-racialist. They assimilate all races into a single Socialist Hive Mind collective. And freedom of though or choice or action is tolerated. lol


sounds exactly like the NWO plan, doesn’t it?


This writer is an idiot Sanders shill. He doesn’t realize that the establishment elites had the 3rd party rigged as well…just in case. They just saw rather quickly that their boy gary johnson had no traction either.

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