Recent Kurdish-Turkish Escalation Delays US-backed Operations Against ISIS Near Raqqah

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Recent Kurdish-Turkish Escalation Delays US-backed Operations Against ISIS Near Raqqah

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The Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG), one of the largest groups in the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), suspended its military operations with the US-led coalition in Syria, according to unconfirmed reports so far.

During the past two days, Turkish warplanes and artillery have bombed several targets of the YPG, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) as well as Kurdish civilian targets in Iraq and Syria.

At least 16 YPG fighters were killed as a result of the attacks, according to the group’s statement. Turkey claimed 70 militants of the PKK had been killed as a result of the airstrikes.

So far, the SDF has been continuing its operations against ISIS in the Raqqah countryside. But it has not released any statement denying the YPG suspension of its anti-ISIS operations in Syria.

Even if reports are not true and the YPG continues its operations along other SDF members in the US-backed advance in the Raqqah countryside, the Turkish actions have already delayed the SDF operation against ISIS.

Kurdish parties and groups in both Syria and Iraq have called the US-led coalition to establish a No-Fly zone against Turkish aircraft in northern Syria and Iraq after repeated airstrikes that led to victims among civilians, according to pro-Kurdish sources.

From its side, Washington said it is deeply concerned by the Turkish raids against the YPG in Syria.

The Turkish Defense Ministry confirmed that the airstrikes will continue in both Iraq and Syria against what they described as “terrorist groups.”

Turkish President Recep Erdogan said that Washington, Russia and the Iraqi government were aware of the airstrikes and that Turkey would not allow the Sinjar Mount or northern Syria to be turned into a safe hidden for PKK militants.

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  • Terence Silvestre Jr.

    Poor Kurd wits.
    They are being used by the Americans only to fulfill their evil objectives in Syria and then to be discarded as vile as it is done to a corner prostitute once used.
    Foolish Kurds open your eyes and unite efforts with the government of your country for a common cause and stop trusting strange impostors who do not care about your interests at all, please.

    • Aleks Black

      Its called common interests, getting rid of jihadi head chopper. The real point of this development is what everyone has known for a very long time. Turkey is a strategic partener of ISIS, and now they are acting to directly help ISIS in Raqqa.

      • dutchnational

        The US has some six to eight bases in Rojava and two, soon three, airbases there.

        Institute an no go area for any plane except the US in northern Syria, install radar and surface to air missiles in thoses bases and shoot any plane out of the air entering the area without permission.

        Even with a large air raid, it will take only a few dozen missiles and Turkey will never enter there again.

        • Aleks Black

          The US troops wont fire on NATO jets. Its very complicated. Turkey should be forced out of NATO, then this approach might make sense.

          • Bill Wilson

            Being threatened to be ejected from NATO may not bother Erdogan but being denied any replacement parts and munitions for his NATO-equipped military probably would.

          • Aleks Black

            He could have sufficient reserves or switch to a different merchant, the Russians love money and hate sanctions.

          • dutchnational

            Spare parts for Nato equipment can only be bought from the original factories or official suppliers. There is no black market for F16 spare parts and the like.

            Russian parts cannot be used in Nato equipment. They might buy complete weapon systems, yes. The costs would be huge and delivery times can be counted in years.

          • Aleks Black

            You are correct about all of the points except that Russian equipment is much cheaper, and the turkey military gear ban may not be permanent.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            Saudi Arabia is getting eastparts from Bulgaria. what’s to keep Turkey from getting parts from a nation that has shifted away from the west? Venezuela? Brazil? south Africa?

          • dutchnational

            It would depend on the weapon system.

            Forget buying spare parts of state of the art Nato systems in SA, Brasil or Venezuela. If Venezuela had any spare parts, he would sell them. He would even sell his mother in law if he could get any money for her.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            I didn’t say state of the art. such parts would have to be a bit older.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            turkey will be never kicked out. therefore is impossiblre threaten it in this way.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            Still too slow.

          • dutchnational

            US can fire on Nato jets if they operate unaauthorised outside of Nato treaty area. It is a defensive treaty, not an offensive one.

          • Aleks Black

            While technically that is true, practically this could not easily occur. Maybe in the future, due to Turkish actions, things will change.

          • dutchnational

            In this you are correct. It will not be an easy decision, if ever, for the US to fire on turkish planes.

            However, Erdogan has a way of provoking till the end and one day he just might miscalculate.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            Too slow. shoot the jets; or use tomahawks like before.

          • Aleks Black

            Not all dreams come true.

        • Jonathan Cohen

          Why should Rojava keep out Russian planes??? which may later drop ammo for use against ISIS too. US should try to ensure that all US ammo gets used against ISIS and none goes to PKK. US ammo needs to stay south.

          • dutchnational

            Up to this point it has no reason to do this. It is likely though that if there is a no fly zone, it will be closed to everybody except the US.

            It would be a practical decision by the US, not Rojava.

            As for US ammo provided to the SDF not going to the PKK, there is no indication, let alone proof, that that is the case and Turkey has built a huge wall along the Rojava Turkey border. Smuggling would be difficult therefore, except through Irag where it might occur.

            In case of a full scale invasion by Turkey of Rojava, all bets are off.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            Where does PKK get it’s ammo then? it must come from somewhere and it is needed to fight ISIS.

      • Emil Hazarov

        Turkey is a strategic partner of ISIS? ))) hahha)) So because of strategic partnership ISIS conducted a several terrorist attacks in Turkey, resulted in hundreds of dead turkish civilians???
        So according to your stupid logic, if someone will kill your children you will be a partner of this murderer???

        • Aleks Black

          Little fish. The big fish are the great strategic partnerships the Russians exposed after Turkey downed their jet with oil/weapons/merc trade because the plane was shot down to protect ISIS Oil going to Turkey. Its funny you Turkey invaded Syria made it to al-bab and then set there for 6 months making money. Finally when SAA goes after Isis, cuts of al-bab from Deir Hafer, what does FSA/Turkish Mercs/Al Qaeda do? They attack the SAA in the rare in Hama province. When FSA jihadists were getting it handed to them in Aleppo, who came to the rescue? You know it, baby, ISIS the Gulf Monarchy mutant twin of the FSA attacked Palmyra to save their terrorist brothers in Aleppo. You are selling songs.

          • Emil Hazarov

            what?)) my little baby friend, which planet are you from?? rusian plane shot the ISIS oil project??)) have you ever seen the map of Syria? Rusian plane has been shot down in north Latakia, ISIS has never been in this region!! :)) moreover, plane has been shot down after TWO MONTH lasting warning from Turkey. You calling FSA jihadists?? FSA are Syrians, they are fighting on their OWN land for their OWN future, despite all other mercenaries like Hezbollah terrorists, Iran, Russia, hazareyan soldiers from Afganistan.
            ISIS and SAA are fellows in this war: When turks captured Al Bab from ISIS, asadists forces literally in 2 days took territories south of Al bab from ISIS and reached the Euphrates river. How it might have happened if ISIS severaly fought with turks just in Al Bab for more than 2 months, do you have an answer, sweety??
            ISIS just gave over this territory to Asad without a single shot! Come down to Earth. By the way I am not Turk, I am from Russia LOL

          • Aleks Black

            Emil Harazov, my favorite chechen jihadi supporter. Do I really need to dispence with your lies about the FSA. The FSA has many faces, few are Syrians who are committing unspeakable crimes upon the populations. Many are interlopers from the stans, and places like chechnya, and maybe your home. The rest are militant wahabists, desert folk, saudis, and other gulf monarchy special forces trying to topple a government for a variety of reasons, starting with cash and ending with religious psychosis. Isis did not fight with Turks in al bab, i mean they pretend fought with them. Like how Turks pretend to fight terrorism when they pretend to bomb isis but bomb the kurds. At the time the extensive business was done. Are you really trying to sell this ridiculous lie? The only reason the business ended is that tiger forces showed up and ended the party. ISIS was retreating, fighting for Deir Hafer, and just as their lines were collapsing, the craziest thing happened. FSA terrorist launched an offensive in Hama. Because FSA and ISIS work together. Same team different uniform type of a situation.

          • Emil Hazarov

            My little girly kurdo terrorists fan, i am not a chechen)) Try to learn a bit more about Russia and nationalities living there. FSA are SYRIANS there are no any other nationalities, there are no Chechens as well, WTF are you talking about? LOL. Chechens from underground movement fighting at the side of ISIS, very few of them like Al-Shishani (Tarhan Batirashvili). And hundreds of chechens presented in Syria now are from russian army, they patrol Aleppo now.
            “they pretend fought with them” ? ))) Do you really believe in this shit? Pretend? ISIS fought with turks over 2 months, turks lost just in this single battle 70 soldiers, ISIS conducted severe terrorist attacks inside Turkey as well, just in one turkish night club on New Year has been killed more than 100 people by ISIS. Is this a partnership, you call? are you drug addicted or something??
            ISIS now is key benefit and partner of Asad and his allies, because only by using this reason (ISIS), Asad able to hold power and present himself as an alternative: save my presidency or you will get an ISIS in Syria. And that is the reason why ISIS gave over territories to Asad without a fight at the south of Al Bab.
            Wake up already!! :)))

          • Aleks Black

            You lie very well, as in you have a good command of the facts that you misuse to create a false impression. There is no FSA, if you mean a collection of syrians fighting for freedom, there is a pseudo alliance of various islamic organizations which range in discrimination from al Qaeda to far worse. The Syrians which may have been allive 5 years ago were murdered by often these elements. While there are legit Russian chechens, a police battalion that was in Aleppo, that is not what I am talking about. Many radicalized chechens fled the region after they were defeated by russia and russia supporting chechens and now those exiled chechens serve as a terrorist army in places like, you guessed it, Syria. There are others from various other stan nations and north africa, there is scum all around. You see, the army was engaged, without any actual fighting happening, stuff was destroyed, but its peanuts and it gave turkey reasons to shorten the ISIS supply lines. Note, since the access to turkey has been lost by ISIS, terrorist attacks in the west have gone down in level and sophistication from paris to a retarded snackbar with a knife and a car. Isis and Assad are not allies, it seems more likely that Sunni wahabists that are gathered in different parts of syria are allies. Assad has the only real army, and they showed up ready to fight, and they took that land from the FSA and the ISIS sissies, until your friends stabbed Assad in the back in Hama, which makes sense, to save the FSA’s evil twin they lost many lives.

          • Emil Hazarov

            Sorry sweety, pidar is your maiden name, not mine, as well as Dolboeb. Don’t ask apologize, i am very tolerated to people with mental dysfunction. And YES ISIS is EQUAL to YPG/PKK same bunch of terrorists. ISIS cutting heads, PKK blowing up bus stops with civilians. PKK conducting terrorist attacks in Turkey, ISIS doing exactly the same in Turkey.

          • Dustil schmit

            poor brainwashed Islamist.

          • Jacek Wolski

            It’s sad, but there is no medicine to fix this.

          • Emil Hazarov

            i am not even a muslim, you moron :)))) bio-creatures like you became a complete zombi because of wide spread islamophobia.

          • Aleks Black

            No one, said you are a Muslim. Why would we insult the good people of Islam? You are an ISLAM-IST. A proponent and supporter of those who spread the radical ideology of Islam by militant means.

          • Emil Hazarov

            well, first of all, examine your own christianist who killed already more than 1 million people just in Iraq. Who already killed more than 350 civilians just in Syria (this figures recognized by US). You killed more civilians than ISIS, Alcaeda and Cucusclan altogether. Wash up your OWN hands from the blood, and then with a clear conscience, you will have a right to say something about islamists.

          • Emil Hazarov

            FSA are SYRIANS, you not able even mention a single soldier of FSA from other nationalities. The so-called army of Asad is Hezbollah terrorists, Iranians, shia mercenaries from Pakistan, Afganistan, and russia. Asad has only pussy cats “Tigers” who good just for making pictures.
            There are no “many” Chechens in Syria, only a couple tens, again, you just spreading a shit with no evidences. I mentioned just a single most well-known chechen fought for ISIS, and it was Al-Shishani, even more he is originally not from Chechnya but from Georgia.
            You still acting like a little boy with pimple ass and not able to answer my question: if ISIS have has a supply line from Turkey, why then ISIS conducted a bloodshed terrorist attacks against Turkey, eh? Why ISIS killed 70 turkish soldiers in the battle for Al Baba, eh? Do you have answers baby??????
            ISIS and Asad are the most closed allies in this war. Asad just a single time fought against ISIS, and it was in Palmyra, all other fights taking place against his OWN nation, against FSA. Asad killed already more than 250 000 civilians, he using a chemical weapon, barrel bombs. And AGAIN second time i remind you an obvious fact that ISIS just gave over territories to Asad without any resistance! when after Al Bab was captured by Turkey. That is the FACTS, all your other hysteria is just a bullshit.

          • Aleks Black

            Your question is stupid. ISIS consists of many rogue groups, who knows why one does one thing or another. Overall, the relationship between Turkey and ISIS is a partnership. You think you can sell something else, goodluck making up your bs reality. Your statements are ridiculous lies. Assad is pretty much one of two groups in Syria fighting ISIS, the other is the Kurds. Makes sense that you slander them. They are the natural enemy of your terrorists, ISIS and their coterror organization FSA. Al- Bab was not captured by turkey. SAA chased away ISIS and Turks moved in. Those are the facts. I will laugh myself silly when kurds beat the turkish cowards and their terrible army, shame its all being done to help ISIS resist the SAA.

          • Emil Hazarov

            My question is obvious and your answer is just a crap. What that mean: “ISIS consists of many rogue groups”?? ISIS has a command center, ALL terrorist attacks conducted by ISIS has been confirmed by Amaq (media structure) affiliated with ISIS. And all those attacks against Turkey and its citizens been confirmed as well. Asad never fought against ISIS except Palmyra, just take a look at the map of combat operations since 2014. Al-Bab was not captured by Turkey, you said? Lolll hahah)) Are you a fucking alien or what? TWO MONTH turks fought against ISIS there, again baby, take a look at the maps. There was no SSA, USA, USSR nobody besides turkish army and FSA soldiers.
            Your kurds from YPG are just bunch of whores who selling their asses to everybody who supports them. All the time when Turks attack this kurdo-gypsy terrorists they start to cry and ask for help. These bastards are good for nothing, except blowing up civilians and shelling turkish wedding ceremonies.

          • Aleks Black

            Isis has command structure but its loose, and you are nit picking . The fact is there is no way to know what happened is that bomb attack without a confession. ISIS would take credit for it because that is what they do. It helps recruitment. Your lies about turkey capturing al bab are hilarious. Until SAA got there, you couldnt get near it. The kurds are noble people.

          • Emil Hazarov

            Take you head from the asshole and take a look at FACTS. What does it mean “command structure loose”? Where did found this stupid assumption? ISIS still acting clearly and coherently everywhere, is that mean they lost command? Again baby, take a look at all maps of combat operations in North Aleppo, in Al Bab, clowns from SSA never been there, FSA and turkish forces captured these territories from ISIS. You are a completely brainwashed sweety.
            Kurds from PKK/YPG are a bunch of barbarians and terrorists, no difference between them and ISIS: same methods, same ideas of occupation and Ethnic cleansing.

          • Aleks Black

            Emil, you are just repeating the same lies. Go bug someone you can trick like a child or a retarded person.

          • Emil Hazarov

            I am asking you the same questions which you unable to respond to, that is the thing. There are no “same lies”, there are same facts! The facts can not be changed, like you changing your fairytales here. Asking you again: what difference between ISIS and YPG/PKK??
            YPG/PKK conducting terrorist attacks against civilians in Turkey, ISIS doing exactly the same thing.
            YPG wish to build their own state. ISIS doing exactly the same thing.
            Too many coincidences between them, eh?? The only difference is that YPG terrorists have a support of US, against ISIS terrorists. And i will remind you than Alkaeda also have had a support of US against Soviet forces in Afghanistan back in 1980-89, right? Do you remember how this support ended up for US and whole world???

          • Aleks Black

            Here is the difference. ISIS much like turkey is a bunch of Sunni fundamentalists. Both ISIS and Turkey work together, much like they did at Al-bab until the Syrian army showed up. YPG /PKK fight against ISIS and Turkey, but I repeat myself. It’s funny that you presume to lecture me, a non-interventionist, that Assad should not be helped by all civilized powers to wipe out and remove from the gene pool all traces of radical Islam from Syria. Peace can be achieved swiftly if Turkey stops supporting terrorists and attacking those that fight terrorists. Even as we speak Turkey is attacking the Kurds, stalling the offensive on Raqqa… You are a simple child, I don’t have time to be your father and teach you.

          • Emil Hazarov

            Again, second question which makes you mad: If ISIS and Turkey work together why ISIS conducted a savage terrorist attacks against turks: in the airport, in a night club, near Aya Sofya? where is the logic? Turks lost 70 soldiers in the fight against ISIS in Al Bab, where is the logic? Are you idiot? And stop spreading this shit that SSA took Al Bab. The whole world and US as well recognized that Al Bab is the victory of Turks.
            Asad even worse than ISIS and Alkaeda together. He wiped out already 250 000 people of his own nation, he used chemical weapon against innocent kids, he allowed foreign mercenaries like Hezbollah terrorists to kill Syrians on THEIR OWN LAND. Well probably Hezbollah not terrorists for you then, since you trying to justify crimes conducted by PKK/YPG? Go get some extra education and knowledge, instead of acting here like a stupid clown.

          • Aleks Black

            I cant tell if you are just dumb or ignorant either way, it is obvious that you and I share a totally different universe so enjoy your delusions, the truth will always be that SAA chased ISIS away from al bab, and the cowardly turkish criminals know that.

          • Emil Hazarov

            ahhahhaaa :)))) yeah keep consuming that drug you addicted to. It makes you hallucinations more colorful :))) SSA able only to take over territories without a fight by negotiations with ISIS partners, cowardly asking for help and hide behind a back of US soldiers.

          • Aleks Black

            You spread ridiculous lies. Fortunately, your only charm seems to be persistence.

          • Emil Hazarov

            lies about what? kurdish PKK that blew up a bus stop in Ankara in March 2016, killed 25 civilians there waiting for bus – is it lie??
            70 Turkish soldiers died in the fight for Al Bab against ISIS – is it lie??
            Again, your brain is out of service because of chronic islam and turko phobia.

          • Aleks Black

            Little fish. I know you don’t understand what I am saying because you are a simpleton.

          • Emil Hazarov

            how old are you? 15? I did ask you simple questions, why u unable to answer and twerking your ass like a teenage girl?

          • Alex Black

            Son, we don’t talk anymore. You aren’t an interesting person. Read a little more, spend less time in dark rooms, make some friends, we aren’t meant to be.

          • Emil Hazarov

            again no reply, just a crappy useless words, as expected. I don’t read fake web-sites, I MEET with real people in real life, I speak in three languages and i traveling a lot to see everything by my own eyes. But you just sitting on the sofa in rented unfurnished room, browsing Internet and pretending that you know something. Keep living in your fiction world.

          • Alex Black

            did i tickle your balls too much, why do you keep responding. Shouldn’t you be out working in a taxi to support some terror cell somewhere?

          • Emil Hazarov

            idiocy and stupidity tickling my balls 24/7. No I shouldn’t work in a taxi, since your job not interested to me. as well as your hobby of spreading shit and lie based on first two factors, remember which? idiocy and stupidity. And balls…probably, well who knows your sexual diversity in gay-marriage legalized society.

          • Alex Black

            I am sorry lonely troll, I cant keep feeding ya.

          • Emil Hazarov

            troll? :)) i have my real name and surname, unlike someone.

          • Alex Black
          • Jonathan Cohen

            I like Kurds too, but you are wrong about alliances. Syria contains 3 or 4 major conflicting sides which are not allied. It is NOT a 2 sided war. The alliances are basically East, West, Jihad and Turkey. All 4 are fighting the other three except maybe Turkey and west are not quite at war yet but getting close.

          • Aleks Black

            Even in a foursome you can usually figure out who is going where.

          • dutchnational

            You have a dirty mind. I like that.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            Assad is fighting FSA and AQ first and then ISIS, like the WW2 Germany first policy, because the former have more outside support and are therefore the bigger threat to him; which is quite rational but it doesn’t mean he is allied to ISIS. I have suggested since the Tomahawks that he do so even more by transferring more forces from Palmyra to Hama. For one thing they need that chemical site quick if they are to investigate it. I hate both Assad and FSA for banning abortion and hope they destroy each other and leave the whole Middle East to YPJ abortion rights, including Israel. but I know a wise strategy on Assads part when I see one and an FSA/AQ first strategy is wise in order to let Trump fight ISIS for him.

          • Emil Hazarov

            first of all, there is not such definition as “asad”. Asad nowadays is a political corpse. All “his” military power are Iranian terrorists from Hezbollah, shia-mercenaries from Afghanistan, Pakistan (on the ground), and russian air forces. Even more each of this sides (Iran and Russia) don’t give a shit about syrians and Syria, each of them care only about their own interests: Russia wants to draw attention from occupied Crimea and sanction which Putin’s oligarchs friends suffering from, and Iran building a shia-corridor throughout Syria to Livan until borders with Israel. FSA are the only one syrians fighting for their homes and their country there. In this particular scenario, ISIS is a natural ally of so-called “Asad”. ISIS is using by Iran/Russia as a pretext of their presence in Syria.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            YPG , Turkey, Russia and USA are all fellow defenders of abortion rights and as such any conflict between them is a huge tragedy at least unless turkey banns abortion, which a dictator Erdogan might soon do. Both Russia and USA should be heavily arming YPJ but also taking measures to prevent transfer to PKK and to prevent Turkish bombing. Though Turkey should have an air corridor for Turkish bombers to reach ISIS with which they are no longer allied if they ever were, though they once cynically traded oil it was never a full alliance. Turkey should be encouraged to attack ISIS by bypassing Rojava to the east through Turk friendly Iraqi Kurdistan.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            FSA were mostly syians, today not syrians

          • Aleks Black

            Also, i must apologize i had you confused with a different pidar. you may not be a chechen. Just a jihadist terrorist sympathizer. But you so dumb. You actually claim that ISIS is YPG. Why so much dumb?

          • Aleks Black

            Also, i must apologize i had you confused with a different pidar. you may not be a chechen. Just a jihadist terrorist sympathizer. But you so dumb. You actually claim that ISIS is YPG. Why so much dumb?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8d6af9faddcedbc5fc8d0c2f677f083feb97297b1d18fcf31ee8e2c51bd9b1f3.png

          • Jonathan Cohen

            You don’t have to be allies to attack simultaneously in a multisided conflict. that reasoning is overblown, such attacks show opportunism, not alliance.

          • Aleks Black

            Again Mr. Cohen, its proof, how much is enough to convince you, that is a different story.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            ukrainina scum, your country shold be taken by russia

          • Emil Hazarov

            your brain should be taken by sheep since it works exactly the same way)) Ukraine has a history starts from the 12 century, “russia” has been created only in 18 century, before that russian territory been under control of Gold Horde empire.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            you are liar. there was never no ukraine. there was kijevian russia. ukrainians are russians, ukrainian language isis only dialect of russian langueage.

          • Emil Hazarov

            Go get some educatiom first. KIEVIAN RUS that was the name of country. KIEVIAN. Kiev is the capital of Ukraine. Russia appeared only in 18 century. All centuries before that co called russia was a province of Golden Horde empire.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            kiev was always russian city. and in that time the country name was RUS. not UKRAINA. ;)

            Russia was always present. The border region between polsce and russians was call ukrajina. but no ukrainins, but russians. this tell you everyehere, when you visit slavisic instituete of universities.

          • Emil Hazarov

            when Kiev been established as a city, such type of definition as “russian” never been exist! :))) nowadays russian territory at that time been called Tartaria on all europian ancient maps. The name of their country thereafter was Moscovia. It’s become russia only in 18 century when tsar Peter First took power. Russians not even a nation, it’s a bunch of finno-ugric tribes mixed with tatars. Try to read some sort of historic books and articles about genetics, not just eating shitty fascist rusian propaganda :)))

          • Solomon Krupacek

            such type of definition as “russian” never been exist

            you are liar. read nestor, read emperor constantin
            also lots of wester sources wroute about russian from that time.
            either you do not nothing, or you are liar!

          • Emil Hazarov

            there was no “russian”! there was name RUS, Kievan Rus which is ancient name of nowadays Ukraine, as well as Persia is ancient name of Iran, or Prussia ancient name of nowadays territory of Germany. Or according to your logic, Prussia is also Russia just because there is existing such piece of wording like “russ”?? LOL

          • Jonathan Cohen

            You are right that Turkey really did fight ISIS in Al-bab and I too was unhappy to see SAA cut them off and keep Turkey and ISIS from fighting. I think Turkey should be allowed to fight ISIS if they want to, as should everyone. However I think most Middle Easterners are Jihadists and that probably makes FSA jihadists. Even Obama had trouble arming them because their arms kept turning up in jihadist hands; forcing his turn to YPG instead.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            Alignments have shifted since the shootdown, and attacks in a multisided conflict do not indicate alliance.

          • Aleks Black

            You mean do not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, but indicate strongly.

        • Jonathan Cohen

          ISIS didn’t give Al-bab to Turkey either.

          • Aleks Black

            No, they left in a hurry and let the Turks take it. They left in the Hurry because SAA showed up and they were kicking butts and taking names all the way deir Hafer. To deny that Turkey and ISIS do business is to refuse to see the thief in the light.

          • Emil Hazarov

            again?)) you even shitted up here with your stupid lie? Show now just a single evidence that Al Bab been taken by SSA? SSA are bunch of gypsies and rabble. ISIS hand over territories on South of Al Bab for Asad without a single shot in accordance with their agreement, again WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT or resistance. ISIS/SSA/Asad/Iran/Russia are allies in this war.

          • Alex Black

            bs bs bs bs bs bs, from a guy who hasnt earned any respect despite his healthy, rich lifestyle.

          • Emil Hazarov

            looks like some turkish guy smashed your girlfriend or something? Why are you acting like a pregnant woman everywhere when you see word Turkey or turks? Be a man then, go and conduct another explosion on bus stop in Ankara, just like your kurdo-terorists used to do.

          • Alex Black

            Like i said, why melt snow?

    • Ho Pw

      You are correct. America pretend to help the Kurds in order to occupied that area to prevent Syria army from taking over. As for Turkey she also pretend to cooperate with Russia but on many occasion attacked Syrian army and the Kurds positions. Turkey want to create a corridor for Turkish-backed ISIS to continue come and go from Turkey into Syria.

      • PZIVJ1943

        Turkey already controls their border to supply Jihadist with money and weapons.
        Daesh front is to far away and a lost cause.
        It appears that Erdogan wants to prolong the Syrian conflict.

        • Bill Wilson

          Or wants Northern Syria since it’s a major producer of grains and cotton.

      • Terence Silvestre Jr.

        So is. You are very right my friend. Very right.

        • PZIVJ1943

          “Turkey wants to create a corridor for ISUS”
          When is the last time you looked at a map ?!
          Very wrong my friend.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            I did not think ”Ho Pw” was so wrong in his comment.
            Let us remember Tuquia’s successful commercial relationship with ISIS through stolen Syrian oil smuggling. I doubt that the end of ISIS really matters to Erdogan and that is more than demonstrated with its last attack against the Kurds who really fight ISIS.
            Not everything is what it seems sometimes. And much less dealing with treacherous and hypocritical Turks.

          • Bill Wilson

            ISIS made their oil money at the wellhead or tank farms by selling it to independent smugglers and didn’t care to whom they sold it to.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Nor did they care Erdogan and his son about buying stolen oil.
            Because well they knew the exact origin of the oil and the exact identity of the sellers, ISIS.
            Which made me think that they would do everything possible to keep that dirty business afloat.

          • PZIVJ1943

            The ISUS black market for oil was destroyed well over a year ago.
            Along with most of the oil trucks and well heads.
            You are living in the past.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            I fear that you are the one who lives in the future and a future something misinformed my dear friend.
            Go and check the news well and you’ll see that just a few hours ago government troops recapture Ash-Shair Gas field from ISIS.
            Strategic site well defended for obvious reasons.
            The day will come that ISIS will lose all its influence and hidden business in Syria but it will in the near future still.

          • PZIVJ1943

            The main depot at Ash Shair gas field was blown up by ISUS about 6 months ago. You go and check the news well.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Unless you are inventing publish your source my friend.
            Because if it were as you say ISIS would be very stupid defending and dying for a lot of trash unusable for so long.
            The most certain thing is that you are inventing and lying to defend a point of your own and how sad it would be because here we are talking about being objective by peacefully exchanging sincere opinions and nothing more.

          • PZIVJ1943

            I read the article on SF.
            Anyways I looked it up.
            Wikipedia: Third Battle of the Shaer Gas Field
            It was in May of 2016.They say the explosion of the field registered 4.4 on the Richter scale!! Wow, I did not now this.
            ISUS also blew up the other fields closer to T4 airbase, just to screw over the Syrian economy and power generation.
            So do you still think I am making up BULL SHIT stories ??

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Post the link of your argument my friend, publish it to support the context both historical and logical of your comment.
            The only record of an event similar to what you say takes place at the time of ISIS’s withdrawal from the place when it is defeated as a sign of revenge.
            Otherwise it would not have any logic for ISIS to stay in the place and defend it at the price of the life of many fighter if it were not to have any strategic and economic value in the short term for them.

          • PZIVJ1943

            These reports come from South Front for God sake, the sight that you are on right now.
            Just type in ” Shaer Gas Field ” into your search engine.
            And yet again: A front line is held by ISUS to protect their area.
            It does not matter if the area holds a gas field or a bunch of cow crap.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            A single link would be worth more than a thousand comments from you without the least foundation.
            Unless you publish a link from a trustworthy source everything you say will only be part of your own inventions against all logic and reality in order to vainly support a wrong point of yours I fear my friend.
            I may be wrong in my statement but you will have to provide proof before correcting me and with pleasure and sincere humility I will let myself be corrected.

          • PZIVJ1943

            Does the Disqus free plan allow me to post a link?
            What are you, a fricking lawyer?
            You know I’m right, that’s why you will not do the simple search for yourself. You prefer to spend your time bothering me and trying to piss me off. Just like a troll.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Your whining, childishness, and vulgarity only prove one thing.
            I have all the reason in my comments, while you use pure lies and imaginations of yours to support your dumb and unsupportive points.
            I’m sorry for you my dear friend.
            The more you insist, the more I will be right I am afraid.

          • PZIVJ1943

            Am I really being that vulgar Terence?
            I just got done looking at pictures of it burning on May 17,2016.
            This was also confirmed by satellite pictures of before and after on Bellingcat.com last year. Search “Shaer Gas Field destroyed”.
            Perhaps ISUS was not sure that they would hold the field after retaking it last May (economic warfare).
            This is proof beyond words. I do not make up fake stories like MSM.
            Good day sir.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Ok my friend, its okay. I’ll take a look. Have a good day too.

          • Aleks Black

            We break they fix.

          • Emil Hazarov

            stolen oil buying by Erdogan? what weed are you smoking? There was was only one “evidence” of this stupid assumption provided by Russia (photos of cistern) but Iraqi kurds of Barzani said that KURDS from iraqi Kurdistan selling oil to Turkey. And those pictures has been used by russians to prove of oil trading between ISIS and Turkey. Come back to EARTH.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Do not be so wit my friend. Not always the obvious is what it is.
            Research a little more and with a little more experience and objectivity.
            Of course Turkey did and continues to do business with everything that can be stolen from the Syrian people including oil of course.
            I’m afraid that only you did not know by now.
            Then come back to reality dear friend.

          • Emil Hazarov

            “experience”? Your experience in Turkophobia doesn’t make any sense. What business are you talking about? Turkey saved from death 3 million Syrian refugees, they spend from budget billions of dollars for this people. Turkey now has one of the biggest refugee camps on this planet. This is what you call business?? Losing money, spending them for refugees?
            Try to learn something more about this region not just by sitting in front of the screen, thousands of kilometers away from there. Sofa-experts are so eager to teach others, knowing nothing, but talking about “experience and objectivity”

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            First be well informed and objective avoiding all that wordlessness without meaning and foundation.
            Turkey is one of the worst countries in the world with Erdogan a deceitful dictator, treacherous and cheating even with its own citizens without any respect for the humanity and less for refugees being mistreated with all kinds of abuse and bad condition in Turkey.
            Unless you are an illegal child of Erdogan blinded by the blood bond you will not have to defend it because no matter how you try you will never succeed because the reality is more than obvious for everyone with good judgment.

          • Emil Hazarov

            well informed? where you get that lie and rumors presented by you as an “information”? have you ever been in Turkey? have ever visited refugee camps? No never, right? Just sitting somewhere in Europe in your townhouse, you trying to represent yourself as an another sofa-expert.
            Erdogan is the genuine leader of Turkey, hundreds of people died at that night of coup for him, for democracy. Turkey became a home for THREE MILLION Syrian refugees, Erdogan saved their lives and had spent for them already more than 10 billion dollars from the national budget. What your country did for this people??? Eh?? You are just living in the fictional world which probably caused by using hard drugs. Come back to Earth, you have a full head of gray but talking like an uneducated teenager.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            I think that quiet you will be much better and more convinced.
            I did not want to embarrass your saint Erdogan but I will give you an argument so that you could know how inhuman your infamous dear Erdogan may be.
            Speaking of refugee instead of being a benefactor as you thought, its just the opposite. Because only a monster will want to profit from the suffering of others. Did you know that your putrid Erdogan used the refugees only to blackmail the European union and earn dirty money like any vile human trafficker for them?
            Here is reliable information about of it:
            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35854413
            Just let me know if you want more information and facts about your beloved father.
            Because it seems that innocently you knew nothing more than the lies he tells you about him.

          • Emil Hazarov

            yeah sure BBC news dated 20 march of 2016 LOL.
            Earn dirty money you said? Turkey already spent 10 billion dollars for refugees, what “earning money” are you talking about? Turkey provided for refugees a free medicine service, education, even citizenship. All those poor people would die under the barrel bombs if Erdogan wouldn’t help them and save them in Turkey. All of that are obvious facts, so what another information you able to provide me? Another stupid link to news web-site? Again have you ever been in Turkey? have you ever met a SINGLE Syrian refugee? No, you NOT, right? So WTF are you talking about here? All your information based on articles and opinion of propagandists, that is it, nothing more you able to provide as an evidence of your words.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Ten Billion of Euros for the welfare of refugees?
            If I am not mistaken, refugees who escape from hell in tuquia prefer to drown themselft in the sea instead of staying there.
            Post your source then just as I did with you. Because you only comment and comment pure verbiage without any basics and preamble of them.
            If you are so sure of the kindness of Turkey under the command of your beloved Erdogan, please support your words with a reliable link my friend.
            As long as you do not do that, for me and everyone,
            Turkey with Erdogan will remain the worst thing that could happen to humanity since the biblical flood.

          • Emil Hazarov

            I have no idea what tuquia means? Probably it;s just another slang word of nowadays fascists, whose ancestors used to create names for Jews before getting them burned in Gas chamber. Three million people living now in Turkey, tell me then how many of the “escaped from the hell”?? Well probably living in Aleppo under barrel bombs would be much better for them than living in “hell’ Turkey? Have you ever seen your children killed under bombs, my friend? Do you have an experience of running around with corpse of your kid in hands? well, then you have no idea how hell looks like.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Tell me the truth.
            Does anyone close to Erdogan pay you to write so much lying and other rubbish in favor of such a false, corrupt, fraudulent, lying, perverse man and mankind as Erdogan the ruiner of Turkey?
            If so, you will have to use more plausible arguments so that you will not be fired very soon, because everything you say or try to invent in favor of Turkey with his stupid and crazy leader stinks a lot my friend .

          • Emil Hazarov

            I just listed facts and you even unable to reply me on them properly. Erdogan saved 3 million people from death, the turkish economy under his rule developing even in crisis, terrorist attacks, and war around borders of the country. All of this obvious events taking place in reality because i have been paid?? You never been in Turkey, you don’t speak a turkish language, you just eating bullshit from the internet, and trying to prove that you know something about this country? Looks like it is you an ordinary troll who getting money for spreading this idiotic lie.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            You alone give me all the reason to think that you work for the corrupt Turkish government of Erdogan talking pure nonsense and falsehood trying to clean the super stained figure splattered of shit on all sides of your pig hog Erdogan.
            It is the only logical explanation of so much false information that you only have and nobody else talks about it. For example 1) you say that Erdogan saves 3 million lives of Syrians what is completely false and implausible because if he mistreat, kills and cheat his own people, I doubt very much that he is able to help other peoples.
            2)You say that there is democracy in Turkey when just yesterday Erdogan blocks access to Wikipedia and continues to fire and persecute thousands of followers of their political opponents what does not happen in a democracy.
            So better stop fooling yourself because you’ll never managed to fool me and anyone else with your propagandist trash for your dear corrupt crazy and sick Erdogan dear friend.

          • Emil Hazarov

            Baby are you sick with parkinson disease?? :))) this bull shit which you typed will not become a truth just because of repentance this idiotism three times.
            You are full of shitty propaganda, you never been in Turkey you don’t speak turkish language so what the fu..k are you trying to prove me?
            Erdogan saved 3 million Syrian refugees? Is it fact? YES, IT IS.
            More than 200 Turkish people died for Erdogan over coup night. These people came out to the streets and first time in history of Turkey prevented coup by cost of their lives. Is it fact? YES, IT IS! So about what “cheating his own people” are you talking about, punk!?
            There are more than 200 deputies from opposition presents in parliament. Opposition parties have their representatives as governors, ministers, mass media. Is this democracy?? YES, IT IS.
            But so funny that such dumb like you naming “democracy” US which destroyed Iraq, France which wiped out Libia and killed Muammar Kaddafi.
            You are just brainless zombi with limited education and ability to analyze information. You just eating mass-media junk and barfing it here in comments.
            And you are not my friend dude. There are no animals and monkeys among my friends.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Now there is no doubt that your mind is very twisted.
            I am sure that you have never been in Turkey and you do not speak the Turkish language for the obvious reason that you do not know anything about what goes on there. And from your anger attacks it’s more than obvious that your mental illness gets worse with every silly comment you make.
            Do yourself a favor and stop raving so much because you look very silly and ridiculous doing it and in the end you get angry and insult everyone as an angry wife when someone tells you the truth in the face.
            Be sure to take your pills on time and get better soon.

          • Emil Hazarov

            stop copy-pasting the same bull shit in every line of chat LOL.
            You probably acting like your nazi teacher Josef Goebbels who said: A lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            If I copied and pasted it is to help your slow process of understanding my friend.
            It’s just a technique used by many teachers of children with mental problems like you for sure.
            I apologize if that made you cry. Forgive me then for trying to help you that way. It was not intentional. I swear.

          • Emil Hazarov

            I don’t think that this is a technique, it’s just an example of your hysteria and impotence (not physical impotence i hope, but mental). I understand your inability to have a dispute with proving knowledge of facts, but this public flogging and execution which I am doing to you, it’s just for your benefit. Accept it as a treatment for your silliness. Next time try to prepare better for discussion, in order not to be humiliated again.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            It is normal that you offer resistance to the method of repetition like any crazy and very sick person .
            You’ll have to put up with it and let it help you,
            because I’m afraid it’s the only one because of the gravity of your mental retardation.
            So that you want it or not I will continue using it until you give signal of improvement in your learning no matter how slow the process is.
            I encourage you my dearest friend, it is for your own sake.

          • Emil Hazarov

            Ok let’s continue with repetition :)) i used this method with my dog, and it will definitely works for you as well since my dog way more educated than you. Again: You never been in Turkey, you don’t know turkish language, you never speak to turkish people – so why you argue about turkish policy??

            And regarding your Parkinson disease which resulted in numerous copy-paste of same text – here i can’t help you, dear. The only grave will be able to fix it. I will bring flowers to your funeral, that is all I can do for you.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            As always vomiting pure shit I’m afraid but appart reducing yourselft to the height of your dog my beloved friend?
            Even when your mental retardation is not so far from one, I do not think it is a healthy thing that you lower yourself so much.
            I will add then the rhythm of the repetitions of the copy/paste education system to accelerate your rehabilitation and your return from the world of dogs to the world of the real men who do not complain nor squeal as a child when someone does not agree with them.
            In the meantime I whish you have a beautiful day, my great and dearest very sick friend. Bye for now my best friend.

          • Emil Hazarov

            I just heard a “woof woof”. Is was you my four-legged friend? :))) I hope you didn’t pee in my slippers again?
            Ok, lets continue then with dog training: You never been in Turkey, you don’t know turkish language, you never speak to turkish people – so why you argue about turkish policy then??

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            If I copied and pasted it is to help your slow process of understanding my friend.
            It’s just a technique used by many teachers of children with mental problems like you for sure.
            I apologize if that made you cry. Forgive me then for trying to help you that way. It was not intentional. I swear.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            If I copied and pasted it is to help your slow process of understanding my friend.
            It’s just a technique used by many teachers of children with mental problems like you for sure.
            I apologize if that made you cry. Forgive me then for trying to help you that way. It was not intentional. I swear.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            If I copied and pasted it is to help your slow process of understanding my friend.
            It’s just a technique used by many teachers of children with mental problems like you for sure.
            I apologize if that made you cry. Forgive me then for trying to help you that way. It was not intentional. I swear.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            If I copied and pasted it is to help your slow process of understanding my friend.
            It’s just a technique used by many teachers of children with mental problems like you for sure.
            I apologize if that made you cry. Forgive me then for trying to help you that way. It was not intentional. I swear.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            The unique mass-media junk and barging is yours my friend.
            Because all here we have enough common sense to choose well documented information and real and acurate stuff from the sites established on the internet and put aside the false and baseless garbage as what you write by lot in your comments.
            There is no doubt that your mental health gets worse day by day.
            I have a doubt.
            You wrote all that crap before or after taking your pills
            prescribed by your last psychiatrist my dear friend?
            Your psychiatrist should ban you from accessing the internet until you feel a bit better to avoid us being tortured with so many confusing and illogical comments on your part, I think.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            You alone give me all the reason to think that you work for the corrupt Turkish government talking pure nonsense and falsehood trying to clean the figure super stained and splattered of shit on all sides of your dear Turkey lider Erdogan.
            Its the only logical explanation of your so much invented information like:
            1)You say that Erdogan saves 3 million lives of Syrians what is completely false and implausible because if he mistreats his own country putting him under heavy dictatorship I doubt that he has moral and will to help other peoples.
            2)You say that there is democracy in Turkey when just yesterday Erdogan blocks more site access like Wikipedia and continues to fire and persecute thousands of followers of his political opponents what does not happen in a democracy.
            Please stop fooling yourself because I and other readers will never believe your falsehoods and crappy propaganda for save the figure of your dear corrupt crazy and sick Erdogan.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            You alone give me all the reason to think that you work for the corrupt Turkish government talking pure nonsense and falsehood trying to clean the figure super stained and splattered of shit on all sides of your dear Turkey lider Erdogan.
            Its the only logical explanation of your so much invented information like:
            1)You say that Erdogan saves 3 million lives of Syrians what is completely false and implausible because if he mistreats his own country putting him under heavy dictatorship I doubt that he has moral and will to help other peoples.
            2)You say that there is democracy in Turkey when just yesterday Erdogan blocks more site access like Wikipedia and continues to fire and persecute thousands of followers of his political opponents what does not happen in a democracy.
            Please stop fooling yourself because I and other readers will never believe your falsehoods and crappy propaganda for save the figure of your dear corrupt crazy and sick Erdogan.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            all turks will be expelled from europe. free constantinopolis!

          • Emil Hazarov

            good for you little Hitler. Well then start building another Auschwitz camp for turks. Your fascist ancestors were doing great in this field. Funny thing that you are brave only behind a screen of laptop, in real live – just another retarded coward.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            no hitler. i do not want eliminate them. the turks are foreign and enemy element in europe. for long time.

            and be sure, i helped alreeady in several anti islamic laws, you jihadist.

          • Emil Hazarov

            exactly? that is what i am talking about. Hitler also started from styatement that Jews are “foreign and enemy element in europe” and situation ended up in gas chambers. Same thing with you and your so called “civilization”. You eliminating muslims IN THEIR HOME in Iraq, Libia, Syria and crying that muslims are comming in europe? Since you conducting a genocide againts muslims, you will got finally the same, in accordance with justice.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            The main motive for Erdogan to fight ISIS is to take their territory, but that is a real motive. Also to avenge ISIS attacks on Turkey.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            May be my friend, may be.

          • Jonathan Cohen

            Turkey wants a front on which to fight ISIS, and they could get one through Iraqi Kurdistan with negotiated transit. though maybe not anymore after bombing.

      • Emil Hazarov

        which planet are you from idiot? Turkey liberated from ISIS 2000 sq/ meters territories, captured Al Bab from ISIS. There is no difference between kurdo YPG and ISIS, same type of terrorist shit.

      • Jonathan Cohen

        The fight for Al-Bab was real and showed Turkey and ISIS are not allied. They once cynically traded oil but no more and even then trade was not alliance.

    • Jonathan Cohen

      YPG isn’t helping the US. All they are doing is taking US weapons and ammo, and fighting ISIS, which they were already doing. Unfortunately they might be diverting some US ammo to PKK, which they should stop doing because they need it all for ISIS; and because if they stopped, Turkey might fight ISIS too. Kurds driven from Turkey should settle on ISIS land. LOOK SOUTH ROJAVA!

  • jim crowland

    Dear Jesus forgive me but I wish Erdogan and his mafia will son be burning in hell.

    • Emil Hazarov

      Jesus has nothing to do with you fascist and your kurd-terrorists fellows.

  • Dustil schmit

    I wish they would try taking qamishi a few Russian airstrike will make him grovel again. He’s in a mighty dream world after that referendum.

    • Bill Wilson

      A referendum he narrowly won even after cheating.

    • Emil Hazarov

      rusian aistrikes? LOOOL hahah)) rusians are in deep asshole, they able to fight only against small Georgia or Ukraine which 2 years back didn’t have even a proper army. Rusians fully depend from Erdogan in Syria. Turkey controls Bosporus which using by russia as a supply corridor.

      • Dustil schmit

        I don’t respond to nonsense.

        • Terence Silvestre Jr.

          You’re right, my friend. Surely this is some blind masochistic follower of Erdogan.
          There is no worse blind than he who can see he does not want to see of his own free will.

          • Emil Hazarov

            oh look at that)) now another victim of turkophobia and propaganda will tell us about real life in Turkey which he learned about online LOL

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Being so knowledgeable of Turkey why do you not bring us some link to sources supporting at least one of the good qualities of your leader and absolute master Erdogan?
            Because on television I only see Turks accusing your leader of thieves and cheats, manifesting in the street for more recount of votes of a last farce of consultation and many other evils that he did to his own people.
            I search on Turkish sites on the web and turns out to be the same crap after translating it and from there arises a tremendous doubt.
            Is it that we are talking about the same Turkey or some other that you invented and only lives in your creative imagination my dear friend?

          • Emil Hazarov

            exactly! that is what i talking about, all information you spreading here based on links, television, and internet. Do you know Turkish language? have you ever been in Turkey? You are using a google-translate and trying to convince me that Erdogan is evil? ))) hahha))) I know turkish, russian languages besides English, I am visiting Turkey every month, I have been 15 times in Ukraine after the annexation of Crimea. I am having a conversation with REAL people from REAl live. have you ever been in real life my friend? Do you even know that there is the world exist behind your screen?? yes a lot of people manifesting in Turkey against Erdogan, and this is very good to know, this is how democracy suppose to look like. But at the same time, they acknowledged that economic development of Turkey started after Erdogan came to power. Even now the economy of Turkey growing + 2.3% despite WEEKLY terrorist attacks of PKK inside country and war around borders.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Now I ask you the same question.
            In which world do you live, my friend? Are you talking to me from the distant past?
            Because today in modern day, not a single bullet is fired at any point in the world without everyone in the whole world being aware of it with live image and audio as proof of them.
            So the news of the wickedness, crap, traps, crimes and injustice to kurds, robbery and refugees human trafficking of Turkey through its leader Erdogan, stink to the last corner of the world and in live with all its sound light and image as proof of it.
            That is why it will do you no good to make us believe otherwise my deceived friend.

          • Emil Hazarov

            What? “not a single bullet is fired without everyone being aware” Have you ever heard about misinformation? For example: Russia insisted that ukranian warplane shoot down that passenger Malaysian Boeing in Donetsk, they have been insisting this statement TWO YEARS, tons of news-agencies and web-sites around the world repeated this statement, but finally after investigation turned out that it was NOT a Ukrainian warplane. Boeing has been shot down by russian Buk missile system, and Moscow admitted this fact!
            You just reminding me a fat average person who eating a junk food and getting bigger, old and SICK day after day. Same way you eating media junk food without event attempt to investigate what you swallowing.
            Listen, there are 12 million kurds living in Turkey. Show me now any news about “crimes and injustice” against this 12 million? Turkey now is the main supporter and partner of Iraqi Kurdistan, Barzani keeps visiting Erdogan at least 5 times in a year. What the f..ck are you talking about?? Turkey fighting against kurdish separatists and terrorists, Turks have ALL RIGHTS to protect their territorial integrity by International Law. keep that in mind. and start consuming healthy food, otherwise, your days are over.

          • Alex Black

            The dutch jet shut down over ukraine was conducted by the rebels, which is beyond dispute, but the back story is interesting. The entire thing was an operation hatched by the CIA and SBU to frame the rebels for the attack by feeding them false information that the plane in question was a plane with soldiers headed to Lugansk. The rebels relied on the same source not knowing that it is compromised and used a buk to blast a civilian plane out of the sky. International politics is nasty business. The way the evil kiev regime sacrificed those people for sanctions is despicable.

          • Emil Hazarov

            oh that is interesting)) rebels you mentioned? so u mean to say that so-called “rebels” who are local miners and farmers were able to operate such a complicated system as a “BUK”?? Another question? where did they get it from? as well as hundreds of tanks, rocket launchers? Eh? Oh probably they found them in the mine? Or in a wheat field?
            “operation hatched by the CIA and SBU”? Hahha)) do you have any pieces of evidence or just barfing out another portion of stupid russian propaganda? And how you lovely talking about this “rebels” who just wanted to shot down a plane with Ukrainian soldiers. WTH? so separatists supported by russian army invaded into the sovereign state just wanted to kill Ukrainian soldiers in the sky of Ukraine???
            Which country are u from be the way?

          • Alex Black

            Let me fax it to you.

          • Alex Black

            Its obvious the Russians are helping the rebels in Donetsk/Lugansk region. Would you like to have a conversation with a person who asks you to prove obvious things? I dont know what type of an education Ukrainian immigrants get In Vancouver, but in the rest of the world, when someone big or small loans a complicated piece of equipment, that tech comes with specialists, people who are there to train several shifts of capable operators. In the case of Ukraine and the buk, this is what happened. Russian propaganda has nothing to do with what I am saying, as they spun one stupid conspiracy after another. What is relevant is that SBU operators were able to acquire intercepts of very specific communications between AA operators and various ground Razvedka units, who were stupefied to find that the plane is not an IL-76. Killing Ukrainian soldiers in the sky of ukraine, was a strategy to prevent Ukrainian reinforcements to Lugansk, which were coming by aircraft. Several were shot down in the weeks prior to the dutch massacre. Assuming you suspend you ‘Disbelief,’ who is more evil, Russians for providing weapons to rebels, or Ukrainians for indirectly sacrificing hundreds of people to get Russia sanctioned? Also, a bit unrelated, I suspect this is what happens when yo utry to make friends https://youtu.be/Pd4FRfR9374

          • Emil Hazarov

            Aha now i became Ukrainian?? haha)) name Emil and surname Hazarov has nothing to do with Ukrainians, Ukrainians using greek religious names.
            Second: Boeing has been shot down by russian army, not “rebels” shit. This fact has been acknowledged by Igor Strelkov a russian FSB Colonel who invaded east Ukraine with his military squad.
            “prevent Ukrainian reinforcements to Lugansk”?? Lugansk is Ukranian territory, and they able to anything on their own land and country which integrity has been approved even by Russia at least TWICE in signed Budapest memorandum and bilateral agreement of collaboration between Ukraine and Russian signed in 2007. Russia supporting and suppling terrorists and separatists in Ukraine, Kiev in this particular situation has all rights to do whatever they want to do in accordance with international law, specifically using military power to protect the border of the country. Can you get it? Or your secondary school education not enough to understand international affairs and laws of this discipline? LOL

          • Alex Black

            Here is what happens Emil. I produced some evidence and you produce ignorant opinion. I don’t care where you are from, you live in the west and you don’t know a thing about the matters you are discussing. Insult anyone you like, you have been exposed.

          • Emil Hazarov

            I have an experience of living in 6 countries, now i am living in Canada. This particular country stays beyond freaking europian fascism and islamophobia. What evidences have you produced? Your “evidence” exposed in seconds which I demonstrated with this “ISIS mercenary passport”.

          • Emil Hazarov

            and thanks you for showing me your cousin from Brasil :))) your mind works pretty much the same as his.

          • Alex Black

            Do you remember the Chechen Isis fighters that come from Turkey to overthrow Assad?

            https://twitter.com/Dr_Partizan/status/858301360655265792

          • Emil Hazarov

            hahhhah))) IDIOT do you even know what is written in this passport in russian language? he is not chechen!!!! LOL There is written that he is from Башкортостан – Baskortostan is republic inside Russian federation and has nothing to do with Chechnya LOOOOL. His surname is Fakhretdinov, chechens never use this type of names. This name using be Bashkirs and Tajiks. Have you even ever heard about this nationalities punk!? :))) and “isis fighter” carry everywhere a Turkish flag??? for what purpose? in order to be caught by ypg mercenary like this moron in video???? hahha))) idiotic propaganda of kurdo-terrorists consuming by idiots like you LOL

          • Alex Black

            I think your Turkish denial speaks for itself. Now that you have been proved yet a get to be a troll without principles, shoo

          • Emil Hazarov

            one more time idiot, i am not turkish my first language is russian )) I told you what written in this passport in russian language, WTF are you trying to argue about? There is written that owner of this passport from Baskortostan not Chechnya! keep eating this bullshit propaganda, Bon appetit LOL

          • Alex Black

            Good for you bro. You have been proven to be a jihadi apologist, and a general loud mouth waste, you will get no more replies from me.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            You say that you know so much and have traveled so much, and know how to speak all the languages of the world.
            Prove it by talking to the truth about the reality in Turkey with such a silly and ignorant leader so much so that the European civilized elites treats him like a chimpanzee far below their level, prohibiting the entrance of Turkey to the modern European Union for his fault.
            Europeans don’t want turkey in their surroundings because of Erdogan the wild and uncultured. And neither NATO does want him because he’s like a nail in his ass and they no longer know what to do with him.
            Very soon they would try to get rid of him once and for all with a new coup supported by the Americans as the last time but this time with the support of all Turks happy to get rid of him.
            Prove that you are as smart as you say and stop supporting someone as vile as Erdogan as soon as possible for your own good my friend.

          • Emil Hazarov

            European civilized elites? Elites? Are you talking about fascist Gert Wilders from Netherlands? Or probably about fascist hungarian party Yobbik? civilized elites Netherlands which parliament approved a bill of sex-change for kids from 7 age old? This homosexuals, pedophiles and fascists you naming “civilised”?
            By the way there is the rise of diplomatic scandal between germany and Israel as well, when Netanyahu gave a call to german minister Gabriel, but he didn’t reply, as well as Netanyahu denied to meet Netanyahu. So then according to your stupid logic, you would say that europe treating Jews like shit? How old are you? You talk like a teenager.
            NATO officially by words of Rasmussen repeated that NATO needs Turkey, and Turkey is an important member of the alliance.
            Trump gave a call to Erdogan after the recent referendum and congratulated him. Moreover, when Trump was asked over interview about failed coup in Turkey, Trump said: “I do give great credit to Erdogan for turning coup around.”
            That is the reality, real quotes of real leader of America. Try not to consume rumors like an old grandma sitting in the backyard, try to think beyond your Turkophobia and racism.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            You say: ” European civilized elites? Elites? Are you talking about fascist Gert Wilders from Netherlands? Or probably about fascist hungarian party Yobbik? civilized elites Netherlands…. ”

            I do not think Erdogan agrees with you.
            Because if it were true what you say then how do you explain why is Erdogan able to prostitute himself and crawl like the vile worm that he is as long as the European Union accepts him in their midst?
            You speak pure pranks that have nothing to do with reality.
            I’m beginning to doubt about your mental health and if so, I do not want to continue wasting time arguing with a possible psychiatric patient.
            So serenate yourselft and returns back to the world of the normal logical people my good friend.

          • Emil Hazarov

            pure pranks, you said? So fascist Gert Wilders who is the most popular politician now in netherlands, is it prank? fascist parties in hungary, germany, greece, france wich repeatedly gaining height support from voters, is it prank? Legalization of awful laws and bills for homosexual marriages, sex change for kids from 7 age old, is it prank?
            In what fiction world are you living? your freaking europe full of perverts, nazi, pedophilians, and bastards in politician “civilized elites”.
            Erdogan is using this entry in Eu as a politician instrument of pressure, and he using this tool very well since he is a brilliant diplomat. There are 68% of turks are against the entry to Eu but this “entry” must be fully exploited because it’s a great marker which shows the disgusting and ugly face of nowadays europe.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            There is no doubt that your mental health gets worse day by day.
            I have a doubt.
            You wrote all that crap before or after taking your pills
            prescribed by your last psychiatrist my dear friend?
            Your psychiatrist should ban you from accessing the internet until you feel a bit better to avoid us being tortured with so many confusing and illogical comments on your part, I think.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Now there is no doubt that your mind is very twisted.
            I am sure that you have never been in Turkey and you do not speak the Turkish language for the obvious reason that you do not know anything about what goes on there. And from your anger attacks it’s more than obvious that your mental illness gets worse with every silly comment you make.
            Do yourself a favor and stop raving so much because you look very silly and ridiculous doing it and in the end you get angry and insult everyone as an angry wife when someone tells you the truth in the face.
            Be sure to take your pills on time and get better soon.

          • Emil Hazarov

            It’s funny that you who started a conversation from insults of the 80-milliom nation now end up to complaints about insults which you got as a REPLY to your behavior. Yes sure i will insult every racist and islamophobe as well as antisemite or nationalist. You understand only this type of language. Fascists like you should not be tolerated in any way. We have an experience of this from the history. Once fascism rises up a head and got a support – it will result in gas chambers and Auschwitz. Nowadays fascists like you decided to pick up another aim – turks, and Muslims. You absolutely uneducated, goofy and clueless victim of propaganda. You dont speak in turkish, never been in Turkey and trying to convince me about the situation in country where i have spend 5 years of my life??

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Stop whining and behave to the height of your intellect dear friend, if not you would better do not get involved in comments and discussion much above your capacity for understanding dear friend.
            In the meantime my apologies if I have hurt your feelings my sensitive friend.

          • Emil Hazarov

            once again, stop impose yourself as my friend :)) You don’t attract me either as a friend, girlfriend or pet animal. I am just on your example trying to demonstrate how uneducated people with zero knowledge of the subject of the dispute, are getting drained just after a couple of questions based on real facts and history. I am sorry if I humiliated you again, but this how it works :))

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            My dearest friend, even whining as a child punished to the place of behaving as a man and respond with convincing argument.
            You did not know it but I’m a friend of all the abused and maltreated men and animals in the world and that includes you whether you want it or not.
            Better stop crying and concentrate on being a man with judgments and mental sanity, my beloved friend.

          • Emil Hazarov

            Again same hysteria and tons of useless words with no sense)) You are a friend only to rubble and human crap, dear. Try to speak as a man, not like the woman in the pants. I am asking you a simple question but you just repeatedly twisting your booty as a sissy teenager: You never been in Turkey, you don’t know turkish language. you never speak to turkish people, but u trying to argue about turkish policy? LOL Why don’t you then talk about Astronomy? You have zero knowledge about astronomy as well?? :))

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Hello my dearest friend who would like to be Turkish and never will be one, so disillusioned that he lost his reason writing pure shit day and night, insulting half the world with all its own characteristics and dementia.
            To you, my sick friend, I send you a big hug and sincere wishes so that someday you recover the reason and your manhood lost for so long,
            the reason why you calling other men woman, when the crying little girl is you and everyone here knows that fact and you too of course.
            See you later my so pathetic dearest friend mine.

          • Emil Hazarov

            Separately from all of this verbal bull-shit asking you again the same question: you dare to insult 80-million nation, acting like a pure rasist and retarded moron, right? So tell me then:
            You never been in Turkey, you don’t know turkish language, you never speak to turkish people, then how you able to criticize turkish policy?

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            You say that you know so much and have traveled so much, and know how to speak all the languages of the world.
            Prove it by talking to the truth about the reality in Turkey with such a silly and ignorant leader so much so that the European civilized elites treats him like a chimpance far below they level, prohibiting the entrance of Tuquia to the modern European Union for his fault.
            Europeans don’t want turkey in their surroundings because of Erdogan the wild and uncultured. And neither NATO does want him because he’s like a nail in his ass and they no longer know what to do with Erdogan.
            Very soon they would try to get rid of him once and for all with a coup supported by the Americans as the last time but this time with the support of all Turks happy to get rid of him.
            Prove that you are as smart as you say and stop wanting someone as vile as Erdogan as soon as possible for your own good.

          • Terence Silvestre Jr.

            Is it that we are talking about the same Turkey or some other that you invented and only lives in your creative imagination my dear friend?

        • Emil Hazarov

          sure you don’t response, since no arguments you have.

  • Emil Hazarov

    Well done! Turks have all right to protect their borders from kurdo terrorists, according to article 59 of UN Charter. There is no difference between ISIS and YPG/PKK. Each of them using methods of terrorism, each of them wish to build own state by terroristic methods.

    • dutchnational

      Sounds nice and in theory correct.

      When, and how, was it the YPG attacked the turkish borders? By existing?

      • Emil Hazarov

        YPG affiliated with PKK it’s the same structure. When PKK/YPG attacked the turkish borders? Well, you probably not aware, but this bunch of terrorists killed already 300 Turkish civilians INSIDE Turkey just in 2016.

        • PZIVJ1943

          So if you are declared a terrorist, it becomes legal to bomb and kill all the civilians in your neighborhood? Even outside of your country.
          I declare that Erdogan is a terrorist. HAHA

          • Emil Hazarov

            did Erdogan raped and killed your mother of relatives? No? then why you declare that he is terrorist? Regarding “declaration” will provide you just one evidence among tons of others: march 2016, bus stop in Ankara has been blown up, 25 innocents were killed, PPK acknowledged this attack, and all others WEEKLY terrorist attacks conducting by them in Turkey. 300 people killed by this bastards just in 2016. Is it legal to kill such kind of terorits? Well probably if some PZIVJ sympathize them, then not? LOL

          • PZIVJ1943

            Yes terrorist are a problem for all countries.
            But how does lobbing 155mm artillery rounds into Afrin province fix this?
            Are all Kurds now PKK, I thought Turkey built a border wall around this area to secure the area? What about the support that Erdogan supplies to the Jihadist in Idlib. Are they are not labeled terrorist by Turkey (al Queda, etc)

          • Emil Hazarov

            YPG/PKK are the same type of shit with different names. YPG waving on their flag a leader of PKK terrorists – Ojalan, and now this YPG locating in Afrin, Turkey suffering from terrorist attacks from them on a WEEKLY basis. Still have questions why turks “lobbing 155mm artillery rounds into Afrin province”???
            No not all kurds are PKK, there are 12 million kurds living in Turkey, have you ever heard about 12 million armies of PKK terrorists?? Turkey now main supporter and partner of Iraqi Kurdistan as well. All this fact means that turks fighting against butchers from PKK/YPG who are responsible for terrorism against Turkey.
            Jihadists (al Qaeda) in Idlib you said? Well if you so loyal to PKK terrorists why are you not loyal to al Qaeda then? determine your thoughts finally. And what about Hezbollah by the way, who fighting with “jihadists” on the side of Asad? Do u like this guys as well??

          • PZIVJ

            This will make Erdogan think twice. No more incursions into Syrian territory. Turkey should concentrate on finishing their wall.

            https://southfront.org/us-forces-increase-activity-at-turkish-syrian-border-ypg/

          • Emil Hazarov

            No more incursions into Syrian territory?? So what USA doing there then?? Have US forces been invited by syrian people? Turkey will do whatever they want to do in Syria. terrorists from Syria don’t blow up americans, they killing weekly turkish citizens, and it’s mean that in accordance with Int.law turks can and MUST eliminate terrorists in their lair.

        • dutchnational

          Where is the proof that YPG did this? Not one jota of proof has ever been presented, just, like you do, allegations.

          I know in present day Turkey one does not need proof for anything. In the rest of the world, the rule of law still exists and proof is not only needed but required.

  • dutchnational

    I have read both the article and the comments and I get confused, and a little disgusted, by the number of “alternate” facts (as in outright lies) and by the one sidedness of arguments or even the total lack of reponse to comments and instead of that just namecalling.

    I am pro SDF and kurds, let me make that clear. I try to see both sides though, which is hard as there is no real rational side to Turkish policies towards Syria and syrian kurds.

    The fact is that Turkey presents the SDF, YPG as attackers of Turkey, as being the same as PKK. They claim YPG has been arming the PKK.

    I use the word claim because Turkey has never presented any proof of their claims and allegations, which, to my mind, proves the proof does not exist, given the urgent need Turkey has to underpin their claims.

    So why this rabid kurdophobia from Turkey?

    Turkey is not miliitarily afraid of the YPG, which in a way it has created themselves, but they are afraid of the concept of Rojava, of a federal autonomous northern Syria. When the federal autonomous region within Syria proves to be viable, as it seems to be, then there is really no more case to be made against a likewise structure within Turkey.

    The success of Rojava proves the kurdophobia, the fascism within and of Turkey and the emptiness of their claims and policies.

    As for the present, the attack on the SDF clearly demonstrates the support of Turkey for IS, its fake war against IS. But those killed before Al Bab?, you might ask. Sacrififed cannon fodder, showing the cynicism of turkish leadership.

    Tel Abyad has been fortified for the last almost two years. SDF is now both much bigger and better armed and trained then two years ago. SDF is getting more agressive in responding to attacks from Turkey.

    I expect the assault on Tabqah to continue. SDF has invested too much to let it go and, in case of an incursion from Turkey, it will present a defensive position beyond turkish capabilities. I therefore expect the SDF to invest in controlling more lands south of the Euphrates as a last line of defense. A line Turkey will find it very hard to cross.

    The assault on Raqqah will likely be halted or only executed till the outskirts of the city. SDF can hardly be expected to assault the city itself unless the US defends their back and unless they have the necessary heavy arms.

    • dutchnational

      As a follow up : SDF has now captured on of the center quarters of Tabqah and took an IS tank.

      So the advance on Tabqah is, like I said, going on.

  • Jonathan Cohen

    This is HORRIBLE! BOTH SIDES NEED TO BE FIGHTING ISIS!!! Both sides need to drop ALL their bombs and shoot ALL their ATGMs at ISIS!! bOTH SIDES SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS SO WHY ARE THEY FIGHTING?????

  • gfsdyughjgd .

    Putin and Lovrov think their are clever while both are stupid.Their only blame and if their get compensation their keep quite.YPG is under USA/Nato command Russians must blame Israel because Syrian government is under their control.If a sovereign country is attack the rule of engagement is retaliate.Shoot in the heart of Israelto balance the suffering.