The Saker: Why is Putin “allowing” Israel to bomb Syria?

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Written by The Saker; Originally appeared at The Unz Review

Informationclearinghouse recently posted an article by Darius Shahtahmasebi entitled “Israel Keeps Bombing Syria and Nobody Is Doing Anything About It”. Following this publication I received an email from a reader asking me the following question: “Putin permitting Israel to bomb Syria – why? I am confused by Putins actions – does Putin support the Zionist entity, on the quiet like. I would appreciate your feedback on this matter. Also – I have heard, but not been able to confirm, that the Russian Jewish immigrants to Occupied Palestines are the most ardent tormenters of the Palestinians – it takes quite some doing to get ahead of the likes of Netanyahu. Please comment“.  While in his article Darius Shahtahmasebi wonders why the world is not doing anything to stop the Israelis (“Why haven’t Iran, Syria, and/or Hezbollah in Lebanon responded directly?“), my reader is more specific and wonders why Putin (or Russia) specifically is not only “permitting” Israel to bomb Syria but even possibly “supporting” the Zionist Entity.

I often see that question in emails and in comments, so I wanted to address this issue today.

First, we need to look at some critical assumption implied by this question.  These assumptions are:

  1. That Russia can do something to stop the Israelis
  2. That Russia should (or even is morally obliged) to do something.

Let me begin by saying that I categorically disagree with both of these assumptions, especially the 2nd one.  Let’s take them one by one.

Assumption #1: Russia can stop the Israeli attacks on Syria

How?  I think that the list of options is fairly obvious here.  Russian options range from diplomatic action (such as private or public protests and condemnations, attempts to get a UNSC Resolution passed) to direct military action (shooting down Israeli aircraft, “painting” them with an engagement radar to try to scare them away or, at least, try to intercept Israeli missiles).

Trying to reason with the Israelis or get the to listen to the UN has been tried by many countries for decades and if there is one thing which is beyond doubt is that the Israelis don’t give a damn about what anybody has to say.  So talking to them is just a waste of oxygen.  What about threatening them?  Actually, I think that this could work, but at what risk and price?

First of all, while I always said that the IDF’s ground forces are pretty bad, this is not the case of their air forces.  In fact, their record is pretty good.  Now if you look at where the Russian air defenses are, you will see that they are all concentrated around Khmeimim and Tartus.  Yes, an S-400 has a very long range, but that range is dependent on many things including the size of the target, its radar-cross section, its electronic warfare capabilities, the presence of specialized EW aircraft, altitude, etc.  The Israelis are skilled pilots who are very risk averse so they are very careful about what they do.  Finally, the Israelis are very much aware of where the Russians are themselves and where there missiles are.  I think that it would be pretty safe to say that the Israelis make sure to keep a minimal safe distance between themselves and the Russians, if only to avoid any misunderstanding.   But let’s say that the Russians did have a chance to shoot down an Israeli aircraft – what would be the likely Israeli reaction to such a shooting?  In this article Darius Shahtahmasebi writes: “Is it because Israel reportedly has well over 200 nukes all “pointed at Iran,” and there is little Iran and its allies can do to take on such a threat?”  I don’t see the Israelis use nukes on Russian forces, however, that does in no way mean that the Russians when dealing with Israel should not consider the fact that Israel is a nuclear armed power ruled by racist megalomaniacs.  In practical terms this means this: “should Russia (or any other country) risk a military clash with Israel over a few destroyed trucks or a weapons and ammunition dump”?  I think that the obvious answer is clearly ‘no’.

While this is the kind of calculations the USA simply ignores (at least officially – hence all the saber-rattling against the DPRK), Russia is ruled by a sane and responsible man who cannot make it a habit of simply waltzing into a conflict hence the Russian decision not to retaliate in kind against the shooting down of the Russian SU-24 by the Turks.  If the Russians did not retaliate against the Turks shooting down one of their own aircraft, they sure ain’t gonna attack the Israelis when they attack a non-Russian target!

There are also simply factual issues to consider: even of some Russian air-defense systems are very advanced and could shoot down an X number of Israeli aircraft, they are nowhere near numerous enough to prevent the entire Israeli air force from saturating them.  In fact, both Israel and CENTCOM simply have such a numbers advantage over the relatively small Russian contingent that they both could over-run the Russian defenses, even if they would take losses in the process.

So yes, the Russian probably could stop one or a few Israeli attacks, but if the Israelis decided to engage in a sustained air campaign against targets in Syria there is nothing the Russians could do short of going to war with Israel.   So here again a very basic strategic principle fully applies: you never want to start an escalatory process you neither control nor can win.  Put simply this means: if the Russians shoot back – they lose and the Israelis win.  It’s really that simple and both sides know it (armchair strategist apparently don’t).

And this begs a critical look at the second assumption:

Assumption #2: Russia has some moral duty to stop the Israeli attacks on Syria

This is the one which most baffles me.  Why in the world would anybody think that Russia owes anybody anywhereon the planet any type of protection?!  For starters, when is the last time somebody came to the help of Russia?  I don’t recall anybody in the Middle-East offering their support to Russia in Chechnia, Georgia or, for that matter, the Ukraine!  How many countries in the Middle-East have recognized South Ossetia or Abkhazia (and compare that with the Kosovo case!)?  Where was the Muslim or Arab “help” or “friendship” towards Russia when sanctions were imposed and the price of oil dropped?  Remind me – how exactly did Russia’s “friends” express their support for Russia over, say, the Donbass or Crimea?

Can somebody please explain to me why Russia has some moral obligation towards Syria or Iran or Hezbollah when not a single Muslim or Arab country has done anything to help the Syrian government fight against the Takfiris?  Where is the Arab League!?  Where is the Organization of Islamic Cooperation?!

Is it not a fact that Russia has done more in Syria than all the countries of the Arab League and the OIC combined?!

Where do the Arab and Muslims of the Middle-East get this sense of entitlement which tells them that a faraway country which struggles with plenty of political, economic and military problems of its own has to do more than the immediate neighbors of Syria do?!

Putin is the President of Russia and he is first and foremost accountable to the Russian people to whom he has to explain every Russian casualty and even every risk he takes.  It seems to me that he is absolutely right when he acts first and foremost in defense of the people who elected him and not anybody else.

By the way – Putin was very clear about why he was ordering a (very limited) Russian military intervention in Syria: to protect Russian national interests by, for example, killing crazy Takfiris in Syria so as not to have to fight then in the Caucasus and the rest of Russia.  At no time and in no way did any Russian official refer to any kind of obligation of Russia towards Syria or any other country in the region.  True, Russia did stand by President Assad, but that was not because of any obligation towards him or his country, but because the Russians always insisted that he was the legitimate President of Syria and that only the Syrian people had the right to replace (or keep) him.  And, of course, it is in the Russian national interest to show that, unlike the USA, Russia stands by her allies.  But none of that means that Russia is now responsible for the protection of the sovereignty of the Syrian airspace or territory.

As far as I am concerned, the only country which has done even more than Russia for Syria is Iran and, in lieu of gratitude the Arab countries “thank” the Iranians by conspiring against them with the USA and Israel.  Hassan Nasrallah is absolutely spot on when the calls all these countries traitors and collaborators of the AngloZionist Empire.

There is something deeply immoral and hypocritical in this constant whining that Russia should do more when in reality Russia and Iran are the only two countries doing something meaningful (and Hezbollah, of course!).

Now let me address a few typical questions:

Question #1: but aren’t Syria, Iran and Hezbollah Russian allies?

Yes and no.  Objectively – yes.  Formally – no.  What this means is that while these three entities do have some common objectives, they are also independent and they all have some objectives not shared by others.  Furthermore, they have no mutual defense treaty and this is why neither Syria, nor Iran nor Hezbollah retaliated against Turkey when the Turks shot down the Russian SU-24.  While some might disagree, I would argue that this absence of a formal mutual defense treaty is a very good thing if only because it prevents Russian or Iranian forces in Syria from becoming “tripwire” forces which, if attacked, would require an immediate response.  In a highly dangerous and explosive situation like the Middle-East the kind of flexibility provided by the absence any formal alliances is a big advantage for all parties involved.

Question #2 : does that mean that Russia is doing nothing or even supporting Israel?

Of course not!  In fact, Netanyahu even traveled to Moscow to make all sorts of threats and he returned home with nothing (Russian sources even report that the Israelis ended up shouting at their Russian counterparts).  Let’s restate here something which ought to be obvious to everybody: the Russian intervention in Syria was an absolute, total and unmitigated disaster for Israel (I explain that in detail in this article).  If the Russians had any kind of concern for Israelis interests they would never have intervened in Syria in the first place!  However, that refusal to let Israel dictate Russian policies in the Middle-East (or elsewhere) does not at all mean that Russia can simply ignore the very real power of the Israelis, not only because of their nukes, but also because of their de-facto control of the US government.

Question #3: so what is really going on between Russia and Israel?

As I have explained elsewhere, the relationship between Russia and Israel is a very complex and multi-layered one and nothing between those two countries is really black or white.  For one thing, there is a powerful pro-Israel lobby in Russia at which Putin has been chipping away over the years, but only in very small and incremental steps.  The key for Putin is to do what needs to be done to advance Russian interests but without triggering an internal or external political crisis.  This is why the Russians are doing certain things, but rather quietly.

First, they are re-vamping the aging Syrian air defenses not only with software updates, but also with newer hardware.  They are also, of course, training Syrian crews.  This does not mean that the Syrians could close their skies to Israeli aircraft, but that gradually the risks of striking Syria would go up and up with each passing month.  First, we would not notice this, but I am confident that a careful analysis of the types of targets the Israelis will strike will go down and further down in value meaning the Syrians will become more and more capable of defending their most important assets.

Second, it is pretty obvious that Russia, Iran and Hezbollah are working synergistically.  For example, the Russians and the Syrians have integrated their air defenses which means that now the Syrians can “see” much further than their own radars would allow them to.  Furthermore, consider the number of US cruise missiles which never made it to the Syrian air base Trump wanted to bomb: it is more or less admitted by now that this was the result of Russian EW countermeasures.

Finally, the Russians are clearly “covering” for Hezbollah and Iran politically by refusing to consider them as pariahs which is what Israel and the USA have been demanding all along.  This is why Iran is treated as a key-player by the Russian sponsored peace process while the USA and Israel are not even invited.

So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.

Conclusion

We live in a screw-up and dysfunctional society which following decades of US domination conflates war and aggression with strength, which implicitly accepts the notion that a “great country” is one which goes on some kind of violent rampage on a regular basis and which always resorts to military force to retaliate against any attack.  I submit that the Russian and Iranian leaders are much more sophisticated then that.  The same goes for the Hezbollah leadership, by the way.  Remember when the Israelis (with the obvious complicity of some members of the Syrian regime, by the way) murdered Imad Mughniyeh?  Hezbollah promised to retaliate, but so far, almost a decade later, they have not (or, at least, not officially).  Some will say that Hezbollah’s threats were empty words – I totally disagree.  When Hassan Nasrallah promises something you can take it to the bank.  But Hezbollah leaders are sophisticated enough to retaliate when the time is right and on their own terms.  And think about the Iranians who since the Islamic Revolution of 1979 have been in the crosshairs of both the USA and Israel and who never gave either one of them the pretext to strike.

When you are much more powerful than your opponent you can be stupid and reply on brute, dumb force.  At least for the short to middle term.  Eventually, as we see with the USA today, this kind of aggressive stupidity backfires and ends up being counterproductive.  But when you are smaller, weaker or even just still in the process of recovering your potential strength you have to act with much more caution and sophistication.  This is why all the opponents of the AngloZionist Empire (including Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela) do their utmost to avoid using force against the AngloZionists even when it would be richly deserved.  The one exception to this rule is Kim Jong-un who has chosen a policy of hyperinflated threats which, while possibly effective (he seems to have outwitted Trump, at least so far) is also very dangerous and one which none of the Resistance countries want to have any part in.

The Russians, Iranians and Hezbollah are all “grown adults” (in political terms), and Assad is learning very fast, and they all understand that they are dealing with a “monkey with a hand grenade” (this fully applies to both Israeli and US leaders) which combines a nasty personality, a volatile temper,  a primitive brain and a hand grenade big enough to kill everybody in the room.  Their task is to incapacitate that monkey without having it pull the pin.  In the case of the Israeli strikes on Syria, the primary responsibility to respond in some manner would fall either on the target of the strikes (usually Hezbollah) or on the nation whose sovereignty was violated (Syria).  And both could, in theory, retaliate (by using tactical missiles for example).  Yet they chose not to, and that is the wise and correct approach.  As for the Russians, this is simply and plainly not their business.

Addendum 1:

One more thing.  Make no mistake – the Israeli (and US!) propensity to use force as a substitute for diplomacy is a sign of weakness, not of strength.  More, accurately, their use of force, or the threat of force, is the result of their diplomatic incompetence.  While to the unsophisticated mind the systematic use of force might appear as an expression of power, history shows that brute force can be defeated when challenged not directly, but by other means.  This is, by necessity, a slow process, much slower than a (mostly entirely theoretical) “quick victory”, but an ineluctable one nonetheless.  In purely theoretical terms, the use of force can roughly have any one of the following outcomes: defeat, stalemate, costly victory and a relatively painless victory.  That last one is exceedingly rare and the use of force mostly results in one of the other outcomes.  Sometimes the use of force is truly the only solution, but I submit that the wise political leader will only resort to it when all other options have failed and when vital interests are at stake.  In all  other situation a “bad peace is preferable to a good war”.

Addendum 2:

Contrary to the hallucinations of the Neocons, Russia is absolutely not a “resurgent USSR” and Putin has no desire whatsoever to rebuilt the Soviet Union.  Furthermore, there is no meaningful constituency in Russia for any such “imperial” plans (well, there are always some lunatics everywhere, but in Russia they are, thank God, a tiny powerless minority).  Furthermore, the new Russia is most definitely not an “anti-USA” in the sense of trying to counter every US imperial or hegemonic move.  This might be obvious to many, but I get so many questions about why Russia is not doing more to counter the USA in Africa, Latin America or Asia that I feel that it is, alas, still important to remind everybody of a basic principle of international law and common sense: problems in country X are for country X to deal with.  Russia has no more business than the USA in “solving” country X’s problems.  Furthermore, country X’s problems are usually best dealt with by country X’s immediate neighbors, not by megalomaniacal messianic superpowers who feel that they ought to “power project” because they are somehow “indispensable” or because “manifest destiny” has placed upon them the “responsibility” to “lead” the world.  All this terminology is just the expression of a pathological and delusional imperial mindset which has cost Russia and the Soviet Union an absolutely horrendous price in money, energy, resources and blood (for example, the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan was justified in terms of the “internationalist duty” of the Soviet Union and people to help a “brotherly nation”).  While this kind of nonsense is still 100% mainstream in the poor old USA, it is absolutely rejected in modern Russia.  For all the personal credibility of Putin with the Russian people, even he could not get away with trying to militarily intervene, nevemind police the whole planet, unless truly vital Russian interests were threatened (Crimea was such a very rare case).  Some will deplore this, I personally very much welcome it, but the truth is that “the Russians are *not* coming”.

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  • Simon Gould

    Russia doesn’t need to do anything; Israel’s sorties are of limited impact and symbolic as much as anything. if, as I do, you read the Israeli press, they are obsessed with Hezbollah and the threat it poses – as long as that threat remains, Israel will be little more than an irritant in Syria.

    • Lupus

      Israël is the agressor in the region and Hezbollah is a defending and protecting force. Israël always plays the victim to justify their terrorist acts and the stealing of land. Thats sick

      • Frank Behrens

        which is bullshit concerning the Hezbollah: they are still an shia-islamic secterian faction. The defence and protaction of the Libanon and the libanese people is task of the national libanse army (as in every country) …and “defending” the Libanon in Syria is just nonsense …call it what it is (reasons aside) : it is an intervention,

        According to the libanese peace process/treaties , EVERY secterian and political factions should have to lay down and hand over their weapons (and/or join the libanese national army) …up untill now Hezbollah refuses and acts as a state within a state.

        • Solomon Krupacek

          100%

          • Joe

            Lol as usual agree whatever with the loser’s side.

            Frank’s comments are practically illogical and not reality.

            Fact is Hez has practically tamed Isreal from yearly attacks on Lebanon and saved tens and tens of thousands of lives every year since 2006. And he talks about Lebanon’s army… Which by the way is currently fully working closely with Hez to protect Lebanon to the disappointment of both Frank and your kind

            Stop trolling

          • Valerianus Maximus

            Hezbollah’s demonstrated effectiveness against the Israeli Army is what’s driving his rant. He seems to think that he can get legalistic and remove Hezbollah from the equation, so that he can get his jollies watching Israeli tanks roll over the the combat-useless Lebanese Army and into Beirut again, a la 1982. If he doesn’t get his way, he’ll flip the Risk board over, send the pieces flying, and stomp out of the room.

          • Frank Behrens

            Whhooo, you sound like an therapists ..(them always knowing better what one thinks)^^.
            Instead of making guesses …just ask me. (usually I don´t bite…have no fear).

            And if the IDF is effective or not against the Hezb. I don´t care much (neither of those I am affiliated to)..so rest assured that there is no rant involved concerning that.
            But tell me, what is your rant with the IDF able to defeat the arabs again and again? Are you at least from one of those nations? If not…what is that for you at all?
            Do you care as well that the Indians again and again defeated the Pakistanis?

          • spinworthy .

            Frank you take us for fools when you display your ignorance (or deception) so evidently.
            Just take a look at the confessional demographic map of Lebanon please! It is such a mixed up patchwork of ethnic and religious groups that is as far from homogeneous as can be ascribed to any state in the world. All of these groups have their own interests, and most of them only tolerate the others for their own gain. Is it any question as to why it’s renowned in the ME as a haven of corruption. After all, with so much jockeying, the government is a barely there phantom, and the army is less than capable of defending a political consensus, if there will ever be one.
            You talk like yankee equivocators who apply ridiculously overblown political concepts as critiques of so-called failed states. Lebanon is a patchwork mosaic that only gets along to do business. It’s army could only ever be as effective as you ‘want’ it to be when there is a real functioning government in Beirut.
            In the meantime I think that everybody is just fine with Hezb doing the heavy lifting and protecting the homeland from the murdering thieves next door.

          • Frank Behrens

            Wow, people starting like that “you display ignorance (or deception) so evidently” ..that ´s great, shows manners, adultry , senisbility and sophisticastion …congrats.
            Well, why do you even assume that I don`t know a thing or two about the Lebanon?
            Well, I was living for some years on this planet and not on an far away island without any media.
            Your description of the situation is valid , but it does not explain or justifies the armed units of Hezb.
            ALL factions had to give (and should) up there weapons and /or join and form the national army of ALL lebanse people …which is a vital step for the unity and peace of the Lebanon (otherwise, I see the danger of another civil war along secterian lines) .

            “It’s army could only ever be as effective as you ‘want’ it to be when there is a real functioning government in Beirut.”

            Exactly …and why aren´t people interessted on an functional strong national army ? Who would lose most if that happens? Hezbollah…cause without an armed force , they would for sure lose political influence…they would be just one of the many political parties /factions .

            And why is hezb. better suited to defend the Lebanon (more then the national army) ?

            besides…they can´t do that anymore…between the IDF and HezB. is now a strip manned by the UNfill forces and national army.since 2006..and I guess that is the reason why there is no fighting since then.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Interim_Force_in_Lebanon

            Besides…againthe question: why should Israel attack the Lebanon?

          • Frank Behrens

            Which is nonsense of the finest.

            That my comments are illogical ..well, that is just your plain opinion..unsupported by any arguments and reasons.

            Hez hasn`t done anything to “tame” Israel…which isn`t even one of there goals (do read their program and statements).
            If Hez so eagerly protects Lebanon together with the army…well, good, fine…let them join them then …what would be the reason to refuse ? You think they would lose strength by doing that?

            And you last sentence is, pardon me, utter nonsense. By suggesting that the armed force of Hez joins and merges with the army (normaly if two parties join and fuse they become stronger) I (wow, what an mighty entity I seem to be) want Israel to allow to bash up Lebanon army again and again?
            Perhaps you want to rethink that…

            Oh, and I still have not heard a reasons at all, why Israel should attack the Lebanon in the near future…

          • Joe

            LMAO, you practically are unable to refute me on all points . I based on facts while you on your desired figments of imagination .

            Facts are all there. One for Israel fore most is Hezbollah and never stop to ensure they cannot arm themselves with even basic arms.

            Since 2006 Israel has not dated to attack Hezbollah which is the sworn enemy of Israel while aIsrael still routinely attack poor Gaza.

            Which is the worse… Hamas or Hez and you say no reason?

            Accept the fact that 20k Lebanese ate saved every year since 2006 and till now Hezbollah has not invaded Israel which is not their intent

          • Frank Behrens

            Facts? ^^…well, I am still waiting for your facts. Untill now you presented your personal opinion.
            And , please, could you work on your english…it is hard to understand and follow you…

          • Joe

            Latest info has it that now the Lebanese army will join Hezbollah to defend Lebanon if you do not know.

            So don’t post bull

          • Frank Behrens

            no, that IS bullshit. A national army responsible to the elected gov. joining a secterian militia ?
            There is a good reason why country don´t allow “private” armed forces beside the national police and army.

          • The Latin Mass

            Stop trying to train a jewish goblin into a human, it does not work. The jew wants to murder you and charge your family for the bullets used to murder you. Do you have any idea how evil jews are? The jew is completely evil.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            in ni country should exist alternative army.

            and dont come with america, because the national guards are not army. hezbollah is state in the state. in the interest of lebano is, that only the army exists.

          • Gary Sellars

            yeah, you would….

          • Rex drabble

            He is a knob head mate.

          • Rex drabble

            Oh no! theres two of you! Are you twins?

        • alejoeisabel

          You may be correct, but Hezbollah is the most effective deterrent to Israeli aggression and impunity.

          • Frank Behrens

            Still it is the task of the national army to do that (protect one´s country). The untits could and should join the army and merge with them ..and thus strengthen the national army.
            There is NO real reason why there should be a force beside the national army.

          • Savio

            Lebanon national army is not efective against Israel. Hezbolah is. Israel is not woried about Lebanon national army, they are woried about Hezbolah.

          • Frank Behrens

            still not the point. If the Lebanon national army should be not effective , that´s partly because the Hezbollah refused to merge and join with it. Israel had and has no direct ambitions to attack the Lebanon (why should they)…but they respond to Hezbollah . And no, before that comes up, Hezbollah isn`t defensive towards Israel (and after the retreat from the south Lebanon, there is no real justified reason)- If you vowed to destroy an entity, as the Hezbollah does, small wonder if that entity is hostile to you and concerned.

            Hezbollah’s spokesperson Hassan Ezzedin, however, said that

            the Hezbollah campaign to rid Shebaa of Israeli troops is a pretext for something larger. ‘If they go from Shebaa, we will not stop fighting them’, he told [The New Yorker]. ‘Our goal is to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine,… The Jews who survive this war of liberation can go back to Germany or wherever they came from.’ He added, however, that the Jews who lived in Palestine before 1948 will be ‘allowed to live as a minority and they will be cared for by the Muslim majority.'”[36]

          • David Pryce

            So what your saying is the biggest strongest deterrent against Israeli aggression should disband and join the Lebanese army. Lebanon structures of government from PM down although secular weakens the the country of Lebanon.
            In a future where Israel respects UN requests for compliance on there obvious disregard for international law, I’m sure hezbollah will eventually disband.
            But as the strongest opposition to Israeli acts of war. The better equipped trained and ideological ships will remain until Israel is gone or accepts its place among the nations of the Arab and Islamic world. Its not European should not be allowed to declare itself so and be forced to build bridges with its neighbours. As the article said “Israeli aggressive posturing threats and air strikes show it knows there wrong diplomatically historically and a culture lost in time.
            There European land thieves only 8 percent of Palestine in 1900s where sé metric Jews.

          • Frank Behrens

            I am not defending Israel here , which indeed

            “So what your saying is the biggest strongest deterrent against Israeli aggression should disband and join the Lebanese army”

            And in which was would that weaken the defence of the Lebanon?

            “In a future where Israel respects UN requests for compliance on there
            obvious disregard for international law, I’m sure hezbollah will
            eventually disband.”

            Why should the Hezb. do that ?

            According to their own programm and speeches, one of there aim is to destroy Israel:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_Hezbollah

            aaaand for sure my favourite:

            https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/palestinians-and-jews-share-genetic-roots-1.5411201

            (Note, that I am not defending Israel here on it´s behaviour towards certain resolutions.)

            “There European land thieves only 8 percent of Palestine in 1900s where sé metric Jews”

            Which is not correct…half of the jewish citizens of Israel are the so called sephardim, which are more or less arabs .

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Jews

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMgd9mydSRA

            .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97O0z2fBJsU

            Aaaaand my favourite:

            Blood Brothers: Palestinians and Jews Share Genetic Roots

            https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/palestinians-and-jews-share-genetic-roots-1.5411201

            https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Typical argument conflating issues seems the sources you relied on are also conflating and not actually being honest. Now examine carefully how they all misunderstood the question at First, while they were asking a question and later talked about ethnicity and religion. The question is a standard loaded question “how do you define yourself?” but only 2 choices were offered Isreali Jew or Arab. The examples they used are from secular societies which frown on the usage of religions as identifiers with ones nation. Thing is Judaism is a break off from Zoroastrian religion so not really a base religion as many are not Christianity introduced Bhuddist, Hindu teachings and Zoroastrian mysticism so really not a judaism.

          • Frank Behrens

            shessh, I know right from the start that you and consorts would LOVE that.
            Face it, they ARE your (genetically) relatives .
            So, tell me, what´s an arab?
            And whatever Judaism is (and if it is a direct break off from Zoroastrian …then Christianity and Islam are that as well, since they are break offs of Judaism).
            that doesn`t indeed has to do with genetics.
            You can be an arabic speaking Muslim, Christian, Jew, Pagan or Atheist.
            Who is the arab? And who is not?

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Well DNA tells a different story which places the bulk of the dna in Europe and not tied to Sephardics since they are descendants of the Mahgrebs which means “where the sun sets” West” in Arabic. The word Saracen described easterners and is another Arabic word.Well for the word Arab it was a loose term and even used to describe the sons of Noah as Arabs, Armaens speaking the semitic language. when you compare the usage of a loose term as barbaros by the Greeks or Barbarus by the Romans in describing all those outside their regions as that you see how these terms are really irrelevant. The word in the Arabic language i’rabi means those who speaks clearly and the opposite is ajam which means those who speak indistinctly. You will never get the true meaning as it is more of term used by Europe as is Barbary has been.

            I find it funny how you left out the older religions of Hindu and Bhuddism the ignorance is just because your pride was hurt at that.

            Your last question on who is an Arab and who is not? is such an unloaded question is easy your Sephardic are of Arabic origin and your Ashkenazi are of European origin.

            Should never ask a question that by digging up the past it can be answered and solved.

          • Frank Behrens

            I sometimes wonder, Woolpuller, cause from time to time you do write indeed with a degree of intelligence, very unlikely for these side…well then.
            I will answer in kind in a few hours…

          • Frank Behrens

            I can´t add indeed much more to your fine short excurse regarding arabs /arabic etc.
            And that the jewish Israelis are (geneticaly) at least the half-brothers of the christian/muslim Palestianians (and I bet, many of those are the descendance of former jewish people….who were in turn themselves a mixed up population mainly consisting of various semitic tribes).
            Whatever, as long as we agree that the modern jewish Israelis are a very mixed up poplulation , and not a race upon themselves, and thus not (sole) europeans, as it is so often foolishly said, I am fine with that.
            Does this has any greater relevance concerning the situation in Israel (and the Palestinians) ? Non at all, since for the main part they are rather recent immigrants and thus I deem it nonsense to claim any “rights” because of an “ancient” homeland (perhaps a “spiritual/religious” one).

            Though I don´t get what Hinduism and Buddhism has to do with it here…

            And concerning digging in the past…well, don´t tell me, tell the other less educated ones here who show their primitive black n white conception of the world.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Well you seem to want to keep your narrative but in all honesty most are more recent than you think. Jesus studied various religions so would that make him a Jew not in terms today or then as he was banished from the religion because he was teaching things not in the Talmud or Torah. They came from those religions I mentioned that’s why in part we have partial concepts and in whole we have full concepts better understanding.

          • Frank Behrens

            Given there are these theories about that…but no hard facts availlable . Might be he was influenced by visitors from that regions (merchants or even monks/priests) and discussed with them but we have no sources about that. Jesus was born a jew…his religion was jewish and it is uncertain what is goal was…to create a new religion (christianity) or just reform the jewish religion. By that time (as today), there were various sects and religious jewish groups which divert from the orthodoxy of the high temple in Jerusalem (and as so often, the orthodoxy tries to destroy any “dissenters”)

          • Holy Gark

            “And whatever Judaism is”

            Judaism was created as a synthetic cult by the ruling class of Babylon/Persia to destroy Phoenicia.

            Synthetic cult. Nothing else.

          • Frank Behrens

            wow…together with Ms. Vanderbilt…7-11 responses from three people (one totaly unknown, hasn´t previsiously been involved ) the last 12 hours with the usual primitive tries to provoke…..do I smell bots,/clic-baiters/hunters ? Desperatly trying to to keep me fed? …I am mildly amused. But you do have to do way better if you really want my attention …

          • Holy Gark

            Dear cretin,

            When you’re done raving like the lunatic you are, you need to deflate your ego, which is the size of Uranus, and then come to realize that your amusement and attention are of no interest to anyone.

            You asked what Judaism was and I, factually, told you.

            What is it slimy Talmudic vermin pretending not to be a Talmudic Vermin, you don’t like the truth?

          • Jacek Wolski

            If his amusement and attention are of no interest to anyone, why do you vehemently reply so? And your assumptions that his opinions do not interest anyone, are wrong. Who is the cretin now?

          • Holy Gark

            Replying to his comment doesn’t imply I am interested in giving him attention or entertaining him.

            You should work on your logic, cretin.

          • Jacek Wolski

            Your parents must have some intellect giving you a name of Holy Fuck Tard.

          • Holy Gark

            Ah I see. On top on being a lonely idiot, you’re also not too bright.

          • Jacek Wolski

            ‘Idiot’ and ‘bright’. Is that the best English vocabulary you can come up with? What terrorist university did you attend?! Ah that’s right, your intellect is sub par, jester school it is then. You’re nothing but a pathetic excuse for a human being.

          • Holy Gark

            I could call dog shit by all sorts of elaborate words but I stick to “dog shit”. You aren’t any different. “Bright” and “idiot” suffice. Or would would you prefer a more detailed description? Something in the range off: Polish vermin collecting welfare in Australia?

            Before pointing the finger at terrorism (in indirect (or is it direct?) reference )) to Iran and Hezbollah, see what England and its two whores (the US and Israel) have done for the past century. I’ll spare you the previous centuries-long brutal British colonialism. Why don’t you call them out you top class moron you.

            Now, put some heavy metal music and shake that head. Don’t forget to put some clothes on to go collect welfare. Spare a bit of that money for shampoo.

          • Jacek Wolski

            Oh how the mighty have fallen! What would you know about my ancestral roots unless you personally know me, myself and I?! The great world wide web want reveal all if it’s secrets, try harder my friend! 😀 And what is welfare collecting?! Never delt with it in my life. Please explain this criminal activity since you know so much about it. I do have a lot of spare time for intellectual fleas like yourself, an awesome occupation and a nice car, thanks for pointing that out. I bid you farewell from Australia Mr.Holy Gark.
            Ps. How long did it take you to come up with that name?! 😂

          • Holy Gark

            Your own comments reveal your ancestry: Warsaw. Last time I checked, it’s in Poland.

            I must have hit a nerve for you to justify and clarify your “awesome occupation” and “nice car”.

            Your comments also reveal where you live: Australia. Didn’t need to tell me what I already knew.

            It’s the second or third time you point to my username. You must, secretly, like it.

          • Jacek Wolski

            You must be an admirer of mine, since you looked up to see where I live. No need to be envious my dear friend, I do live in the greatest country on this planet and I enjoy the fruits of my labours. If you work hard enough, the sky has no limit. You wouldn’t know where to find my nerves, you have to try harder than that. You are nothing more than a mere amusement to me. So I await your reply with abated breath 😁

          • Holy Gark

            No admirer – anyone can read the comment on your profile and observe the same.

            Not envious – your ego seems to have overtaken your reason again.

            “Greatest” is relative but Australia is indeed a beautiful county. I visited 2 times and stayed 2 months each time with my wife and children.

            You may think your nerves are stealth but your comments have shown otherwise.

            I agree with your statement about work even though I mostly worked smart through my life.

            While I don’t come here to amuse you, I am glad I do so anyway.

          • Jacek Wolski

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/551ba9f1064c2c85508dcb553fdaef2e183570be695221c05d8725c04ef3f6f9.jpg

            Since you’re showing so much disdain, I’ll give you fresh ammunition for you, so fire away 😎

          • Holy Gark

            Not sure why you sent the same picture twice but I replied to your earlier one.

            The “ammunition” and “fire away” parts of your comment only continue exhibiting your inner insecurities.

          • Jacek Wolski

            So you’re a psychologist now?! You’re abilities continue to astound and amaze me!!! But your insatiable thirst for information about Australia I shall quench! The Pinnacles 😎 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e0c2d4d10387b40c70c9bf32b22771fc612ca8a546eeb394f253c8aca2f38a21.jpg

          • Holy Gark

            Never said or insinuated I am a psychologist.

            Drove by that desert with the guide when I was in Australia as well.

          • Jacek Wolski

            I do follow the Taoist school of thought…. to some extent 😁 And yes, Australia is a lucky country.

          • Holy Gark

            Any Humanist school of taught is good.

            Not sure the inhabitant aboriginals of Australia were so lucky.

          • Jacek Wolski

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c273499713c6c14c58bf26fd9cdba50cf4888ffb248fcc68737f05d37a2758ac.jpg

            Sending postcards from Bremer Bay. Life is hard, but someone has to do it 😎

          • Holy Gark

            I was in your neck of the woods last time I visited Australia. The Fitzgerald Park from Perth. A most beautiful place.

            That said, you’re still a Polish living in Australia.

          • Jacek Wolski

            You’re a funny bigger! Seems like I found myself a penpal 🤔 That said I must correct you. I am a citizen and I reside in Australia, almost anyone can come and live in Australia as a tourist mate 😎

          • Holy Gark

            I visited Australia twice with my wife and children. Stayed 2 months each time. A very beautiful country.

            p.s. I was pulling your correction.

          • Jacek Wolski

            You’re not such a bad guy after all 😎 I’ve been fascinated about the middle East conflict since 1991. I was days away from joining Duntroon Military Collage in Canberra but Australia’s governments support for the US bombing of Iraq left a sour note in my mouth and I tore the contract up. So it’s been 27 years and the circus doesn’t seem nor wants to leave the town. I do have a soft spot for the Kurds but they are so disjointed that an arranged marriaged would stand a better chance of survival and withstand the test of time. Regarding my ancestors, they fought for Polish, Prussian and Russian armies. A mixed bag really, but the past is, what it is. That I can not change. And the only power that seems to keep civility amongst the wolves in the middle east, is the Russian Federation. They seem to be the glue that’s keeping Syria (to some extent) intact. Helps having a good master tactician at the helm. Kudos to Putin I say.

            Good day to you Sir

          • Holy Gark

            Good thing you didn’t join the illegal, bogus war in Iraq.

            The “circus” started long before with the British East India Company-Levant Company. As I stated in another comment to you: Britain has meddled in the region militarily to keep the region backward economically and culturally. They did the same pretty much everywhere they stepped foot.

            I respect your bias for Kurds but they are no angels. Remember how they mercilessly chopped Christian heads when the British-funded Young Turks Party collapsed the Ottoman Empire. More recently (In 2014), Barzani happily coordinated the invasion of Mosul by ISIS along side the England, the US, Israel, the Gulf and Turkey in Jordan – and did nothing to help the fleeing and captured Yazidis. I’ll add: Kurds are essentially Persian gypsies/nomads who never adapted to any host country. Not any different than Jews. No wonder both have been used and abused by the oligarchs of the British Empire for well over a decade.

            I agree about Russia/Putin. Hopefully, the Humanist side will twarth the degenerates once and for all.

            Good day to you as well.

          • Jacek Wolski

            That is so pleasant to see that you care about my reply 🤗. More attention please, cretin.

          • Holy Gark

            You comment to me. I reply. If you think that’s giving you attention, suit yourself.

          • Jacek Wolski

            That I shall young man 🤗

          • Holy Gark

            Did you tap your own shoulder when you wrote that? What makes you think I am younger than you?

            In all seriousness, quit being such an imbecile and don’t jump in discussions that don’t involve you.

          • Jacek Wolski

            Oh please enlighten me, your reason for calling another person a ‘cretin’. Low self-esteem issues or you’re just a school yard bully? Mr. Gark who hides behind a Holy computer facade 😁

          • Holy Gark

            I am glad you confirm not to be bright. I’ll be glad to enlighten you.

            If you go back in the thread, you’ll see that I simply replied to a question/statement asked by Frank Behrens about Judaism. For some reason, he saw it as a provocation, called me a “usual primitive” and other silliness.

            You decided to step in but only addressed me for allegedly calling him a “cretin”.

            Drop your act and pick up your uterus off the floor, it has nothing to do with me calling him a cretin. It was about me calling out your beloved Talmudic vermin – which is rather strange (or hypocritical) – coming from someone, you, who calls out religious zealots but not them.

          • Jacek Wolski

            I’ve picked my team, you’ve picked yours. Now enjoy the show.

          • Holy Gark

            You picked nothing. You shows how much of a lonely imbecile you are.

          • Holy Gark

            You picked a team? Strange. Don’t you preach about co-living, sharing, morality and what not?

            Drop your act. You’re just a cunning idiot who pretends to be humanist.

          • Holy Gark

            You confirmed it was never about me calling him a “cretin” but to have called your “side”.

            Which is strange. Don’t you preach about co-living, sharing, morality and what not?

            Drop your act. You’re just a cunning idiot who pretends to be humanist.

            And if it’s not an act, you’re either a top class imbecile who docilely swallowed the stories dictated by the oligarchs or you’re honest but duped.

          • Holy Gark

            Where do you see a provocation? You asked what Judaism was and I told you.

            For someone who pretends not to be a Talmudic slime, you sure are easily irritated when British-IsraHell and its servants, the Israelis, are mentioned.

          • RedBaron9495

            You really are a Jewish shill or just plain dumb!
            Hezbollah has not fired a missile or a rockes since the end of the 2006 war, which is now over a decade ago…..yet in that time the IDF has tried to sneak across the Lebanese borders several times..
            There was one famous recorded incident, when IDF accidentally stepped on a land mine on the Lebanese side which killed 3 of the IDF. This is only a few years back!
            The Israel Air-force regularly invades Lebanese airspace….often firing at Syrian targets from the Lebanese side.

          • Frank Behrens

            why I am not surprise by such bad manners and stupidity ? —well,

            Did I , oh flower of attention, ever wrote otherwise. On the contrary..since the blue line there were indeed no more rockets from Hezb. (guess why?).
            Err, and in which time did the IDF tried to sneak across the border after 2006?
            And again, why should Israel attack the Lebanon (or even sneak in? what would they gain? lnew land for new jewish settlements? ^^).

          • RedBaron9495

            There are plenty of articles of IDF sneaking across the Lebanese border ….including the land mine incident. Maybe they were examining Hezbollah defenses.
            Do your own homework…..Google those articles and you will learn more instead of using that HASBARA technique of “Deflection”
            Why did those scummy Israelis invade Lebanon twice in it’s short history?

          • Frank Behrens

            oh please, it shouldn?t be to difficult and time consuming to present some links to that for such a clever Baron like you?

            And why those Israelis , which do you so dearly are obsessed of, invaded the Lebanone ? Well, I could do the reverse and tell you to
            ” Do your own homework…..Google those articles and you will learn more instead of constantly showing your inabilties”

            But to make it short…they were constantly harrased by the PLO first from the Lebanon …later on by the HezB.

          • Ewan
          • Frank Behrens

            I was asking the Redbaron…I didn`t dialed the zero, didn`t I

          • Frank Behrens

            well…interessting

            To citate

            “The truth about what actually happened on August 7 may forever be
            disputed, but it remains clear that Hezbollah still seeks to avoid a
            conflict with Israel — despite Nasrallah’s seemingly confident claim of
            responsibility.The timing and wording
            of his messaging, coupled with the lack of an IDF response, reinforces
            the assumption that the bombing was defensive in nature, and not meant
            to provoke. Indeed, conventional wisdom would suggest that a conflict
            with Israel would not suit Hezbollah at a time when its best operatives
            are still fighting with the Assad regime in Syria, or protecting
            Lebanese Shiites from a beckoning threat of attacks from Sunni
            jihadists. ”

            Those “daily” violations of the sovereignty of the Lebanon boils down to a patrol (or patrols) of IDF soldiers wandering around in no-mens-land ?

            Sesh, yes, the Lebanon´s sovereignty was never more endangered in it´s history then these days…

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            Wow! Impressive cutting and pasting job there Frank….but it was so obviously not YOUR writing as your own English is ridiculously poor . .what’s your native tongue…Yiddish / Hebrew?

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            Yeah right! So the raped and beaten previous homeowner attacks the now resident rapist/robbers from outside the now occupied home and is accused of HARASSMENT? Open your eyes man. Why do you keep blaming the victim for the aggression and violence of the invader? Are you so blind that you cannot see? Or is it that you just don’t WANT to see the truth and the real facts…?

          • Ewan

            I have noted that the quality of hasbara trolls like Frank Behrens have declined markedly in the past few years.

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            All the ones with an IQ higher than 35+ have moved on to work for the MSM. What’s left are the lower bottom feeders with IQs less than 20 such as dutchnational, Jens Holms, Frank Behrens, Solomon Krupacek etc . .

          • Jacek Wolski

            Hezbollah are nothing but brainwashed Neanderthal cave dwellers. Death to them all!

          • Frank Behrens

            to me, they are humans….with fears and hopes…and all the stupidity and genius we humans are able to. I wish them, as all of their “enemies”, peace, wisedom and prosperity…and a life without fears…cause fears are what makes us stupid…stupid is what makes as evil. Evil is, what we fear.

          • Ewan

            Yeah, they gotta “sneak” back, else they gonna get liquidated once more.

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            A bit of both: a shill and dumb also . . what did his parents do to him?

          • Boris Kazlov

            Jews always lived in peace in Muslim -majority countries, as Ahl-el-Kitab (People of the book).

          • Frank Behrens

            na, let´s say for most of the times…and only as dhimmis

          • The Latin Mass

            That was the problem, jews were victimizing Europeans for 1900 years and for much of it Muslims supported the jew. Once the jew became extremely evil, the Europeans stopped their dislike of jews and started to love the evil jew. About that time, Muslims got clued into the fact that all jews are evil.

          • Boris Kazlov

            And I thought I had already read the most stupid comment in my life.

          • Ewan

            You are either a liar or a fool. Israel WANTS Lebanese territory – at least upto the Litani River.It tried to capture it in 2006 but all they could manage was a photo – op after their helicopter got shot down by Nasrallah – The colonial scum want Eretz Yisrael you monkey, but got served by Hizbollah. Now Iran will hand them their asses -1st recapture Golan, 2nd take Jerusalem, bye bye Fake Jews.

          • Frank Behrens

            yeah, the jewish want the HOLE world (this is known , dimwit) and of cause Iran will do that (after they have solved their domestic social-economic problems)…but only if you behave and be a good boy(and have done something about your inferiority complexes)

          • Jacek Wolski

            Iran has one million heroin addicts, that’s how much they care for their populace. God fearing people that they are 😀

          • RedBaron9495

            So they should…..despite superior numbers of 10:1 in 2006, the IDF ran away like the crybabies they are!
            Hezbollah much much stronger now in 2018 than a decade ago…..plus reportedly have around 100,000+ rockets & missiles…with some missiles possessing guidance systems.

          • Holy Gark

            Let’s remember:

            Hezbollah never attacked Israel. It came to be as a result of israel’s Illegal invasion/occupation of Lebanon. In summer of 2006, the war was planned by Israel (aegis Olmert) as early as January. The goal has always been to occupy up to the Litani river.

          • Boris Kazlov

            Exactly, what matters is who can effectively counter Israel, Hezbollah is the reason there is no invasion and peace on the border, those who want to disband it are the Jews, Saudis and, who else? USAIPAC, the servant.

          • FlorianGeyer

            In that case you must agree that the Kurds within Syria should accept the writ of the elected Syrian government and that the US military should leave Syria immediately as it has NO legal mandate to be there Frank.

          • Frank Behrens

            sure, from the time on when there is an freely and democratic elected government, who askes them to do that.

          • Paul

            Democracy doesn’t exist anywhere. There is an illusion of it. Money talks and everything else is bullshit.

          • Frank Behrens

            well, you know,,..that´s..you personal opinion.
            You are living in a democracy? Go and try some dictatorial regimes then.

            Or as one said: Democracy is the worst form of government,

            except for all the others.

          • Paul

            You called the Iranian government a regime. Is it the truth or personal opinion? Maybe what you think is a dictatorial regime is nothing more then western propaganda. It’s funny how ‘Democratic nations’ love to destroy non ‘democratic nations’. Bombing the infrastructure, killing thousands, leaving those nations in a mess. Of course the majority of the population in the ‘Democratic nations’ usually aren’t in favour of the bombings but the Democratically elected government doesn’t care because the people aren’t the ones who control the politicians. Why, because money talks and everything else is bullshit.

          • Frank Behrens

            The Iran gov. is a regime, like any other (the term regime is neutral fyi….another word for government..both terms from latin sources).
            And sorry, I am not starting to discuss now the Iran where the issue is a different one here.

          • Jens Holm

            Thats no oppinion and wellshown and descriebed.You have some religios dictatorship above the secular sector dominanting everything and keeping all new stuff away or downsiezed.

            You are – as best -underinformedeven it is well descriebed. The last one is, they now cant learn english as well.

          • Paul

            I live in so called democracy and there many things I disagree with. The media is controlled, the two party system is a scam, debt slavery is policy, people are dumbed down, the US controls our foreign policy, the family unit is being destroyed, housing is unaffordable to many, and slowly but surely we are following Amercia’s lead and creating a working poor while the rich get richer. None of these issues are raised during election time apart housing affordability and even then nothing gets done. The fact is anyone who tries to disrupt the status quo will be silenced. To me it’s a dictatorship, ran by those who control the money. Though having said that, I live comfortably and peacefully just like many Iranians do.

          • Turbofan

            “”””well, you know,,..that´s..you personal opinion.
            You are living in a democracy? Go and try some dictatorial regimes then.

            Or as one said: Democracy is the worst form of government,

            except for all the others”””

            Straight from the MSM propaganda booklet

          • Jens Holm

            You can see it by the living standards all over the world. Almost the only exeption is Singapore.

            You have rich dictatorships. Thats selling oil, which only was for lamps, if the dictators had decided.

          • Frank Behrens

            at your leal service…

          • Jens Holm

            He dont know what it is. Vomen are hardly women there and kept in the dark, because they are clever then men there.

            We see the picture well here even we are working hard to change it. After 3 years 45% of the Syrian men are in job and 15% women, because almost newcomming women er made more stupid from before they even was born.

          • RichardD

            Governments need to be judged by how good of a job that they do, not by the political system that they use. China in a couple of generations has gone from an impoverished country to the planet’s largest economy using a non democratic political system that has improved the lives of it’s citizens, and many others on this planet with it’s quality low cost goods, immensely.

          • Frank Behrens

            If you really think that then you would have to be a staunch anti-Assadist..because that gov. failed in that account (and which was one of the reasons why the people revolted at all)

            https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/18/syria-uprising-reform-bashar-al-assad

          • RichardD
          • RichardD
          • Frank Behrens

            yeah, so?
            Do you grasp what that means?

          • Jens Holm

            It does live well and is better but not pefect.

          • Ron Chandler

            Frank you just outed yourself as an ignoramus. Go to Wikipedia and look up the election results from Syria. Bashar al-Assad has been freely elected four times as president, once directly, as dictated by the Geneva hotel-dwellers. He is president until 2021. chew on it.

          • Frank Behrens

            I did that:
            wikipedia
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

            and there we find_
            A Spokesperson for the United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon warned that amid the ongoing Syrian Civil War and large-scale displacement of Syrian citizens, “such elections are incompatible with the letter and spirit of the Geneva communiqué” and would “damage prospects of a political solution with the opposition. We will, nonetheless, continue to search and build upon any opening to a solution to the tragedy in Syria.”[21][31]

            You really wants us to believe that this was a fair and democratic election? )next I claim that the funny fat guy in north corea is elected freely..and he got even 100 per. of the votes).
            Forgive me, but from one who shows even the regime´s flag and outing himself thus as a staunch supporter of that said regime and Bashar I do remain my doubts…but for sure every is entitled to his own delusions and reality.
            And according to Joe here, democracy and free elections are an illusion…n est pas ?

            Besides: what again has that to do with the issue here?

          • Rex drabble

            Wow you really have no sense of shame do you.You actually believe the corrupt UN.
            You do a fantastic job of showing your own self up.

          • Frank Behrens

            I don´t see anything on which I should be ashamed here …but I expected that someone would show up with the usual UN is corrupt (and for sure also ruled by the Zionists and the Rothschilds) . So, we can tell Israel that they don´t have to bother about UN resolutions ….they are corrupt …oops, that is eactly what the israel gov. wants us to believe in ^^.

          • Joe

            Hello, do you know that Assad wanted free elections monitored by UN , you guys said no.

            Another fact, the turn out of VOTERS OUTSIDE SYRIA we’re overwhelming with very long lines scrabbling to vote for Assad.

            This has been proven but then even with rock solid evidence, the nuts in the west says. No not recognised.

            Same with Crimea
            but happily recognize Kosovo.

            Message to them is ‘go and fly your kites somewhere’

          • Jens Holm

            Hahaha. What a timewaste. Next time I will boil an egg when I read You not wasting my time 100%.

          • Joe

            Well as usual when you guys are confronted with facts you cannot dispute these are the type answers. I have come across tons of such Western trolls

            Just Google it eg Syrian elections in Lebanon

          • Jens Holm

            I not even have to. Its common knowledge here for many years. I know exact how things are and they are in % down to the last olive and even cutting that.

            The Syrian Constitution as well as it is kept are same things.

            You can compare Lebanon some with Iraq. Here its mainly % in oil as well as shiits has no respect for others.

            If You run the busisnees like that, they have You and chaos as well as mismanegement based on false and false = true.

            Another version is comming with some terrible assumption and after that blame others for it.

            A kind of funny ones was last month russians transporting ISIS leaders for USA by a videogame. hahaha. If thats not branding Russia, I dont know, what it is.

          • Joe

            Just what are you babbling about with irrelevant rants no one understands.

            Instead of typing so long of nothing, just Google Syrian elections in Lebanon is much easier.

            Well I know you know the answer and it is just too embarrassing to admit.

            Assad is Syrians’ choice . No one else.

          • RichardD

            JH is an idiot.

          • RichardD

            Exactly:

            – Syrians in Lebanon battle crowds to vote for Bashar al-Assad –

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/28/syrians-lebaanon-vote-assad-embassies-refugees-boycott

          • Frank Behrens

            Oh, you care about giving us a link about that ?
            I would like to see such “rock solid” evidences….
            And strange enough…why didn´t he suggested that (and allowed free election and a free press) before the war started?

          • RichardD

            “A recent poll”

            – Over 70% want Syria’s Assad to remain in power –

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/

          • Joe

            Wow trying to dispute me ! Ha don’t try .
            You think I am your teacher or what. Told you to Google and you still like a typical troll refuse to accept facts.

            Here is just one link of many by your Western media
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/05/28/this-is-what-the-syrian-election-looks-like-in-lebanon/?utm_term=.ef72c1cd0850

            If that does not change your mind, stop posting here as your creditability goes out if the windows.

            Like I experienced with your past posts, mostly are all pure rubbish and in denial of facts.

          • Frank Behrens

            na, not really…where there is nothing ,there is nothing to dispute over…

            and I have just waited for that article (you guys are predictable, you know …drowing from the same small base of sources ).

            Sooo, another easy one: (errr, besides…isn`t that western media? They are lying, …always…and are controlled by the Zionists…didn´t anyone told you?)

            How many votes in Lebanon for Assad? Or voted at all? I read something about 30.000 – 80.000…impressing? Well, how many syrian refugees are in Lebanon? 1,1 million?…so , less then 10 percent voters?

            http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/05/syrian-expats-divided-over-presidential-vote-2014528102522416850.html

            “The Syrian ambassador to Lebanon, Ali Abdul Karim Ali, told Al Jazeera
            that only pre-registered Syrians who have entered Lebanon legally could
            vote.

            “In reality, however, anyone could practically walk into the small and
            stuffy polling room and cast their ballot – in public and under the eyes
            of the poll workers – without having their papers checked.”

            “Rabab said she was voting not only because she supported Assad, but also because they heard rumours that those who did not vote would not be
            allowed to return home.”

            “Several
            opposition activists claim that officials from the Syrian embassy have
            toured refugee encampments threatening that the regime would keep a
            record of all those who did not cast their ballots.”

            https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/world/middleeast/syrian-exiles-in-lebanon-vote-in-advance-of-national-ballot.html

            “Mr. Assad’s supporters said the vote gave him new legitimacy and showed
            that many supported him freely, even as scenes at some polls sharpened
            questions about the credibility of the process, with no private booths,
            votes cast by some under-age Syrians and apparently lax control over who
            received ballots.”

          • Joe

            As usual cornered start posting rubbish .

            The picture tells a thousand words.
            I purposely chose the article from Washington Post as it was/is/will be against Assad .

            Yet the pictures showed not one supporter not supporting Assad!
            Anyway I am convinced you have not the brain to conclude.

            The paper would have spared no effort to discredit the type of response which I remembered made west speechless.

            Anyway no point teaching a Zombie.
            I think you are in a wrong page . Go to fox news or cannot or BBC
            There you find lots of cheer leaders of the same mind

            Here I see Everytime you post anything you get blastered and demolished.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Instead of using Fox as they will let loose with a truth bomb once in awhile using CNN or MSNBC is accurate ones to watch. Then again talking heads only read teleprompters.

          • Frank Behrens

            Indeed,
            some grunts and illogical statements from the frustrated one I see.
            A picture might tell more then one thousand words…but it doesn`t neccessarily shows as the (hole, complex) err…uhm…picture .

            “I purposely chose the article from Washington Post as it was/is/will be against Assad .”
            Err, why do you think the Washington Post is against Assad? Haven´t they shown the masses of voters in Lebanon?

            “Yet the pictures showed not one supporter not supporting Assad!”

            err, how could there even be a supporter who don`t supports something ?^^

            !Anyway no point teaching a Zombie.
            I think you are in a wrong page . Go to fox news or cannot or BBC
            There you find lots of cheer leaders of the same mind!

            So stop answering to me, oh King of all Zombies ! And shamble off…

          • Frank Behrens

            and wow…if that does not convince you..stop posting here …you guys are such geniuses and very good in confincing someone ^^-
            And if my posts are all rubbish and in denial…why answer to me at all…you can surely better use with your time, don`t you?

          • RedBaron9495

            Ban Ki-Moon was nothing but a Washington controlled puppet….he is irrelevant. He does not represent International Law at all!

          • Frank Behrens

            strange…the israelis (especially the right winged ones) constantly claim that the UN is indeed irrelevant (because beeing a puppet of the arabs and anti-jewish) …and why should they care about any UN resolution?

          • RedBaron9495

            Go and toll somewhere……you are obviously paid by somebody to disrupt discussion on this Forum.
            The Saker would be wise to IP ban you!

          • Frank Behrens

            gods…we are not on the Saker..we are here at southfront…thus the Saker can ban me all it wants. And my only payment here is the entertainment and fun I do get out of here ^^

          • Jens Holm

            hahahahhahahhahaha. Thats no elections.

          • Jacek Wolski

            No free thinking person would use Wikipidia 😂 only the sheep do!

          • Rex drabble

            Perhaps you could explain why the Syrian people flock to see him in public and why,if he was this dictator etc,he hasnt been murdered.I will save you the trouble of making some thing up…Its because he is Loved by his people because he could have easily run away but he chose to stay and defend the people and country he loves.Sadly there is an endless stream of ignorant fools like you.

          • Jens Holm

            They probatly get money by it. Hard to get an income there unless You produce coffins or flowers.

          • David Pryce

            Very sad and unhuman heartless thing to say
            Whatever you believe regarding Assad the Syrian ppl have been butchered, raped mass killings executions. If only they where Jews. Christians where abandoned by NATO slaughtered in there thousands so Halliburton McCain and his Russian traitor oil arch could Rob the Syrian oil while cutting of Russian oil to western Europe
            SOROS NWO- 0-2 – SYRIA 😂 lol

          • RichardD

            – Over 70% want Syria’s Assad to remain in power –

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/

          • RedBaron9495

            Why don’t you peddle your nonsense on CNN or some Libtard forum?
            You really think Syrian Govt has free cash to give away, when 20,000 people come out onto the streets to support him?
            Get out of here!

          • Jacek Wolski

            You shout loudly, but carry a wee baby twig 😂

          • Frank Behrens

            sure, and then you explain to me why the people flock around Kim jong-un ?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/345e09575ca062c684697bd797f1d5bce2aea91a7236b6460e2b8c4da14336bb.jpg

          • Joe

            Let me tell you, these US/Israeli trolls will find all kinds of nonsensical replies.

            They do not seemed to be well informed. Most of their postings can be very easily demolished really and when they can’t response they will use nonsensical replies or just say don’t want to waste time etc

            Too experienced with these Western MSM zombies yet see them regularly here reading facts they refute.

            Wonder why they come to this site

          • The Latin Mass

            No self-respecting zombie ‘merican would ever find southfront. They are too busy with the “The problem with the world is the Democrats” “No… it’s the Republicans!”. “CNN is fake news”… “No… Faux News is fake news”. “Conservatives are responsible for the 20 trillion in debt” “No… it is the Liberals”. Such is zombie talk and it goes on and on. They don’t have any truth in their brains, which is probably why they are zombies. ‘Merica was hit with a zombie apocalypse long ago. Any thinking Americans left will find Southfront. Ones that think they are thinking but are not thinking will find Alex Jonestown and his beware of the Saudi Globalist Islamic New World Order that is fighting the jews (Alex Jones still is spouting zionist propaganda).

          • Jacek Wolski

            Let me fix that for you, these Hezbollah/Iranian trolls will find all kinds of nonsensical replies.

            They do not seemed to be well informed. Most of their postings can be very easily demolished really and when they can’t response they will use nonsensical replies or just say don’t want to waste time etc

            Too experienced with these Shit zombies yet see them regularly here reading facts they refute.

            Wonder why they come to this site

          • Holy Gark

            How exactly do you “demolish” Hezbollah’s raison d’être, their stance against Israel’s attacks and invasions, etc?

            Do tell.

          • Jacek Wolski

            Which fairy tale would you like me to read out to you today? The one about Hezbollah’s heavenly victories? Your head is so far up your arse you wouldn’t know reality if it hit you in the face!

          • Holy Gark

            I can care less about “heavenly” victories.

            All I know is that Hezbollah came to be after Israel’s illegal invasion and occupation of the south of Lebanon. Occupation that causes the death of upwards of 50K civilians on the Lebanese side. For some reason, they don’t matter to you, why? Don’t you preach about morality?

            The victories were real. After almost 20 years of occupation, Israel retreated. Israeli military officials called it a “humiliating defeat”. The war of Summer of 2006 wasn’t any different: Israel lost. For the record, the war was planned by Israel as early as January of that year, the alleged capture of IDF at a border post only served as bogus casus belli. Read the Israeli Winograd report on the way and Olmert’s own official and leaked testimonies.

          • Jacek Wolski

            Your opinions will not influence political world events that hold sway around the globe. Make most from the little time we have on this wonderful earthly host. Have a wonderful day, I do appreciate your insightful comments as you’re not a bad man amongst humankind after all.

          • Holy Gark

            Words never wrote history, bullets did. I don’t come here and write to influence the continuation of what started back in Persia/Babylon thousands of years ago. I do so to express a personal opinion based on the culmination of readings and their cross-examinations. I hope to educate and be educated in the process in civil discussions.

            Your statement about that scarcity of time is wise. I wish we (and by “we” I mean you) started on a better foot as you seem courteous, intelligent (though hypocritical*) and knowledgeable (to a certain extent**).

            That said, I too wish you a good day.

            * You denounce God (not judging but stating) and religions in general but never Judaism (which is nothing but the shunning Babylonian/Persian Pharisaism in reality).

            You denounce Iran but never Wahhabi Saudi Arabia who using its vast oil wealth, quietly spread its ultra-conservative brand of Islam throughout the Muslim world, secretly undermining secular regimes in its region and prudently kept to the shadows, while others did the fighting and dying. Their money fueled the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, underwrote Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Iran, and bankrolled Islamic movements and terrorist groups from the Caucuses to Hindu Kush. You omit that real culprits (I believe it’s out of honest ignorance) and whisper a word or two about the degenerate Americans (the real culprits’ military arm).

            Want the Kurds to be free and have their land when their demise is entirely attributable to the Anglos and then Anglo-Americans who have been using and abusing them as proxies to wage conflicts/wars in exchange for a land that never came – but conveniently ignore the plight of the Palestinians who’s lands were stolen by foreigners with no ties to the land to then be displaced and oppressed for decades.

            ** You regurgitate the mainstream narrative when it comes to historical events:

            • picture of Al-Husseinin with Nazis – when he (like Hitler) was supported by the oligarchs who instigated WW1 and 2. You should educate yourself on the ties between the Britain and the Muslim Brotherhood.

            • blame the chaos of the Middle East on Islam when the Brits intervened militarily in the region since the 18th century to keep it backwards economically and culturally. Remember how Britain put Charles Henry Churchill in charge to destoey Mohamed Ali’s and his progressist/humanist vision of transformation the ME to an advanced regions. Or how Britain fomented anti-French tensions between the Maronites and Druze .

          • Davki

            Wow, you are an interventionist. Is that your understanding of international law, to militarily invade sovereign countries because you happen to declare them undemocratic? Having said that, Syria under Asad is, of course, undemocratic and he is a dictator.

          • Jens Holm

            I think You shall forget those feelings for anything like fx Syria, and Iraq. Those leaderships follow nothing of that themselves.

            Most of those rules were made in 1945 to stabilize the world after WW2 by westerns and Japan. Today they are so outdated, because people allover the world – or most of it – has had time to behave themselves.

            But many dont do that and do not respect that at all. How and why should we respect that. That of course include USA and Russia.

          • Frank Behrens

            I don´t understand how I am an interventionist, pray tell? Did I called for an intervention? I just said that I would concure to an freely, fair and democratic elected syrian gov. has the right to ask the Kurds to be loyal to the state and to the US military (or any other foreigners) to leave the country.

          • RichardD

            What is it about he won the election and would win another that you don’t understand:

            “A recent poll”

            – Over 70% want Syria’s Assad to remain in power –

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/

          • Frank Behrens

            wow, one internet poll…great…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq1SNQ_-oTo

            https://www.wholewhale.com/tips/how-to-win-or-cheat-any-online-voting-contest/

            http://www.matctimes.com/news/view.php/508999/How-to-quothackquot-online-polls
            Besides, I can´t nfind the original poll in Figaro.,..would you be so kind an give me the link to the original poll?

          • RichardD
          • RichardD

            Zioshill much?

            Disprove that Assad doesn’t have a pluralistic mandate, didn’t win the election, and wouldn’t win another. Not with a mindless rant, but with credible proof.

            – Over 70% want Syria’s Assad to remain in power –

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/

          • Jens Holm

            That was before the uprise and included the ones, which just will in no change as usual.

          • RichardD

            “A recent poll”

            – Over 70% want Syria’s Assad to remain in power –

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/

          • RedBaron9495

            Nearly 1.5 million Syrian refugees voted in Lebanon!
            There were so many Syrians on the streets of Beirut wanting to vote, that they had to extend voting an extra day!
            Assad is popular….and has the support of around 70% of population….even more so now, if he’s able to save the country and it’s sovereignty.
            You are on the wrong side of history once again…..a meddling European Libtard!

          • Frank Behrens

            Zioshill? …what´s that ?^^ I know about the ancient germanic war god Zio /Ziu

            https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziu

            Disaprove? Well, for sure he won the election…who ever doubted that (even before the election started) ? Rigged election do tend to deliver the results desired.
            Let´s make a deal…give us a credible proof that the election were free and just ..

          • RichardD

            – Over 70% want Syria’s Assad to remain in power –

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/

          • FlorianGeyer

            There is a freely elected government in Syria now that is led by President Assad.

          • Frank Behrens

            and another one freely elected in north corea…I know…and the former gov. of eastern germany was also freely elected, but was toppled by an CIA-conspiracy where foreign agents were involved….please spare me, Ossi.

          • FlorianGeyer

            In the faux ‘democracy’ loving Western countries there are usually two dominant parties that swap seats in elections and are both from a barrel of shit. In Germany we now again see the two parties that seek to destroy the ancient German heritage as they have been obliged to blend their barrels of shit into a larger barrel of shit again.

            When a truly democratic vote such as Brexit happens and the ‘wrong result’ happens the Zio Marxist elite is outraged and demands another vote to get the ‘right result’.

          • Frank Behrens

            Yeah, the usual bullshit and trash from those oh-so-patriots from Dunkeldeutschland.
            Yeah, I know, it ´s sooo hard when those idiots out there don`t vote the way I would like it…I feel your pain. They constantly fail to recognize that I am far superior and should rule them (better for them) ..I blame it on the media !
            Who exactly is demanding a revote in GB? Who are those Zio-Marxist ? And isn`t the vote honoured?

          • RichardD

            – Over 70% want Syria’s Assad to remain in power –

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/

          • RichardD

            – Over 70% want Syria’s Assad to remain in power –

            https://www.rt.com/politics/official-word/320261-assad-france-poll-figaro/

          • Jens Holm

            Not at all. Lebanoin has a structure which by the constitution divede the power in religion, sects in % after population.

            Therefore the locals of them also have big local influence.

            Their problems are among others, that the arabic population has grown and at the same time others has emmigrated, so they have to update those changes, which is very hard in a fair way.

            Syria dont do that at all. Its winner take all and a majority rulle. In princip 51% can do whatever they want with the 49%.

            Again I am very surprice people of yours now that little and even then comment things like You do.

            Both the lebanese and the syrian consitution is free to read here at the internet written by many sources as well as in many kind of letters.

            Hard to impressed and thats why so many incompetent comments are here. Most internal killing of Yours seeemes based on, You dont know about each other or use fabricated lies of the worst kind.

            I know more about You about ME even I only was in Beirut Twice 30 years ago. One was just changing airplane.

          • FlorianGeyer

            The killing in Syria and Iraq for that matter is all due to the outright aggression or proxy aggression by the USA and Israel as you know full well Jens , so please desist from peddling your Libtarded agenda here.

          • Jens Holm

            I never has denied that extra bonus.

            Reading above the question is ” Putin “allowing” Israel to bomb Syria.

            I cant see Iraq in that as well as USA being specific making russians to allow Israel to bomb Syria.

          • FlorianGeyer

            There are times in life, even in Denmark, when it is wise to either dodge an attack or roll with the punch.

            It is always unwise to react harshly if only pride or a small scratch is the result of an attack on oneself.

            Time and patience give the ability for the aggrieved to respond to aggressive attacks in ways that are strategic and balanced and a balanced but successful response always leaves the possibility for stronger action if required later.

          • RichardD

            The Syrian government foot print grows every day. Those who are unhappy about that look for alternative things to criticize to distract attention from the fact that Syria is winning the war. And the regime change and those behind it that they support are losing.

          • Davki

            In the case of Lebanon, there is every reason. That is, because the Lebanese army mostly is, and has been ineffectual and not above sectarianism. These
            are the practical reasons on the ground. Also, Hezbollah is
            cooperating with the Lebanese army. Now, on theoretical grounds
            (theory of state and governance), you’re right but that doesn’t help
            people seeking actualy protection from arbitrary attacks and
            incursions. I’ve been to Lebanon, Baabek region relatively recently,
            and boy, was I glad for Henzbollah to protect the area. What a most
            real reason that is too! Nothing your theoretical ‘wisdom’ can take
            away. You do realise that IS infiltrated Lebanon, right? Car bombs,
            people murdered, right? Hezbollah was instrumental in removing that
            threat. No real reason? Dead relatives, friends? Would you rather
            trust an impotent army that was never able or willng to protect its
            people, even long before Hezbollah had become a meaningful force? I
            invite you to come out of your ivory tower, live where the bombs
            explode and tell the things you say here to people’s faces there.

          • Frank Behrens

            You may have some valid points here. But I say that it would still be the task of a national army to protects it´s state and people . Why does the hezb. has to protect people ? Because the national army is too weak? Why is the national army too weak? (and…is that really the case?)
            And why is the Hezb (military arm) stronger and better suited to protect the lebanon?

          • Jens Holm

            Facts are not like that. Hesbollah today even are in the Goverment as I remember it.

          • Boris Kazlov

            There is a reason based on facts, Hezbollah is more organized and cohesive, without fascist French-speaking phalangists

          • Frank Behrens

            try to tell that one of those facist frech-speaking phalangists.

          • Boris Kazlov

            Wy should I tell them?, it’s like speaking to the wall, like speaking to you, you will remain a ZIonist forever, praising empire even if it is a dead man walking, zombie empire.

          • Frank Behrens

            Carefull now, with such a fine jewish surname (I should know, since I am , according to some nice people here, either some kind of super-jewish Rabbi and/or from the Hasbara) ^^

          • Jens Holm

            Yerrrh, and see the result … What a succes.

            Only Iran likes it, because they send the most mad of there own to there.

          • Boris Kazlov

            Hezbollah is stronger and more battle-hardened than the Lebanese Army, which should merge into Hezbollah.

          • Ewan

            Rewritten: “Hezbollah is stronger and more battle-hardened than the ISRAELI Army” Israeli army has the most experience bombing civilians and fighting Hamas who have their hands tied behind their backs and still manage to fight back.

          • Holy Gark

            Hezbollah never attacked Israel.

            What’s your point?

          • Ewan

            That sure says a lot for the mad dog image of Israel – Superpower bully afraid of 3000 “terrorists”

        • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

          Then why haven’t the Phalangists and Maronites laid down in your own words, Hezbollah is political entity in Lebanon. The Lebanese army isn’t crying just murderers and war criminals doing it and are afraid they will be removed from power by the popular vote.

          • Frank Behrens

            Because I ´ve never heard about the huge weaponary the Phalangists, or any other faction in Lebanon, posses ( I don´t doubt that they all have some hidden stock pile of weapons…but mostly light weapons).
            Every analyst agrees that the Hezbollah by far is the most strongest faction there (thanks to the support of the Iran regime…and thus are dependent to a certain degree to Teheran).
            Public vote? I doubt that Hezbollah cares much about “public votes”.
            They don`t care much about their own elected parliament and gov. …and were often enough asked to give up there weapons.

          • Lupus

            U don’t know, u doubt, u never heard about… ur full of shit and smell bad from the filth u represent.

          • Frank Behrens

            and you are unreasonable, childish, without manners and complexes, orc. But I have seen that coming…so no surprise

          • Jens Holm

            You are much worse. He is mainly proven right in this. Most of Yours is not.

            I normally disagree with both of You.

          • Lupus

            Lol i don’t care go f*ck urself bi*ch 😂

          • Jens Holm

            Yes, You just confirm we see few facts from You as well as others making no solutions as well as not even try to.

            My mother do others. When she dies, I can buy Spain. We have no oranges here.

          • Lupus

            lmao go take ur meds and hush boy. Spain doesnt want u to buy the country 🤣

          • Boris Kazlov

            Let him wait for his mother to die and see what he does then.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Let’s see the Phalangists and Maronites were responsible for Lebanon’s bloodiest civil wars and notorious for committing mass murders and participating alongside with IDF (Israeli Despotic Farce) in those. Those guys sound like they can fart and shit out Lamb’s wool, they are so nice. Stop being selective and conflate it makes you look the fool when you utter complete nonsense.

          • Frank Behrens

            ad hominem again. ? ..gets getting tiresome..and most often shows that one is running out of real arguments.
            I wouldn`t disagree with things which happens in the past 70/80 in the 20th. cen. you mentioned…but digging in the past should be the task of archaeologists.
            I am adressing the current situation/s) (otherwise we end up with roman empire imperialism ..and even back further).
            If you have some real (counter-) arguments supported by reasonable sources (links) ..be my guest. Otherwise this drowns here in a kindergarten squabble, like so often.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Let’s see you have used ad hominem in you arguments yet you complain when others use them. Your arguments get weak as you quote wikipedia sources which are notoriously being edited by the site operator. The reason you can’t offer anything credible on the argument is that it was missing important information. We all know how our own nations publicly blocked access to Syrians in that election which was very much a flagrant violation of the Geneva convention, putting many at risk to go to Syria under sanctions and Lebanon which is a clear violation by the western nations.

            Well the past generally explains much of what is going on today as it was decisions back then that have been affecting all future and present decisions .
            That is why it is important to remember that governments are not like people but a continuation of policy.

            You using unreliable citations just shows how flimsy your argument actually is and weak your assumptions are based upon. Your drawing a correlation to” (roman imperialism .. and even back further)” is surprising because in our current world that is what we are seeing with US imperialism wonder if back then they used such soft and weak arguments as used today. “Heaven forbid they move their countries near the US Empires outpost” sic.

            Really it’s too bad your arguments never truly address the situations and only add to confuse them , you seem a tragic soliloquy in a comedy farce, which is truly sad and descriptive of your inability to understand and comprehend anything.

          • Frank Behrens

            do you know the difference between ad hominem and giving names ?…which does often shows bad manner , but is acceptable to a certain degree if some real arguments are following . Thus ad hominem is the absence of any real argument.
            Using wikepedia is weak ? So, what would be a better source to quote from pray tell? You can check the sources wiki is using any time you want…if you think wiki is wrong..well, take it up to wikipedia and discuss that .If you do have good arguments you will convince others (the vast majoirty) …this is in the end a collective work which is the best way (how else would it be better?).

            Did I flat out dismissed the importance of the past ? In no way…I just said that one shouldn´t dig (too deep) in it in order to justify things . If you would follow that line, then I ask you why the Phalangists /MKaronites/Christians did what they did? Because they are (were) evil people back from the bone up? Do you think you know why the Israelis behave as they do ?
            (I hate/misstrust you because you father beat mine …yes, because your grandfather gave mine names…that´s just because your grand-grandfather once betrayed mine….and so on)..

            That my sources are unreliable is just your personal opinion..sorry. If you think they are unreliable, you have to deliver some arguments why (you think) they are unreliable.
            Just because you don´t like them, doesn´t make them unreliable.

          • Boris Kazlov

            By whom were they asked to give up weapons? Saudi monarchy through puppet Hariri

          • Frank Behrens

            e,g,
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1559

            It called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land
            and called upon “foreign forces”, Syria, to withdraw from Lebanon and
            to cease intervening in the internal politics of Lebanon.
            The resolution also called on all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias to
            disband and declared support for a “free and fair electoral process”.

            The Lebanese government officially responded to the resolution on the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) website in three ways:[8]

            – The withdrawal of the foreign forces from Lebanon;

            – Disarming the Lebanese and foreign guerillas; and

            – Expanding the government’s authority on all the Lebanese territories.

            Hezbollah[9] and the Loyalty to the Resistance bloc[10] denounced a report on the resolution in 2010 as meddling in Lebanese affairs.

            Druze leader MP Walid Jumblatt has repeatedly insisted that he objects to the disarmament of Hezbollah, according to the international resolution, describing the party as a “resistance group” and not a militia. He engaged in an electoral alliance with Hezbollah during the 2005 parliamentary election, with one of the titles of the alliance being “The Protection of the Resistance,” but is now calling on Hezbollah to be integrated into the Lebanese Army and hand in its weapons over to the government.[12]

          • RedBaron9495

            The Christians and the Shia (Hezbollah) are pretty much allied in Lebanon
            Hezbollah has been training the Lebanese Army….they often co-ordinate together.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            The reference is to all the hardliners that remain as they have never wanted to reconcile as they are still close to Israel till this day. Thanks any ways for also pointing out today there is movement forward from those times. I would have done that but he would have cried about that as usual and deflect and conflate with useless arguments.

        • FlorianGeyer

          I see you are on duty Troll tonight Frank. Always wittering on about Shias when in reality Sunni’s make up the bulk of the SAA that also has a plethora of other religious and political groups that are all fighting TOGETHER to save Syria from the TRULY sectarian terror groups sponsored by the US Coalition of Terror.

          Ironically a sectarian movement has emerged in the USA,’ Libtards V Trumptards.’

          That is a fuse that is still burning.

          • Frank Behrens

            The support and sympathy (and especially reasons why) of the bloody dictatorial regime from all kind of far right-winged, facistoide (which includes red lacquered losers from Dunkeldeutschland) with inferiority complexes and their typical stereotypes and conspiracy theories is well known .
            Thanks, I am cool.

        • Joe

          Well that’s what you want .
          Reality is that Lebanon’s own army is no contest to years of Israeli attacks . Only with Hez in 2000 and 2006 put paid to future Israeli’s murderous attacks saving 20k people per year after that

          Yes we know how frustrating it has been to you all these years Israel has been quite impotent vs Hez

          • Frank Behrens

            what I, you or anyone here wants or does not want is of no relevance.
            And no one can say for sure if the Lebanon national army would be able to defend Lebanon…cause since decades (that is since the modern day army even exists) there was no full blown war with the IDF…cause there was no reasons (where are the interests of Lebanon or Israel to attack each other? There are none).
            The Hezbollah didn`t , and could not, save the lives of the lebanese people, cause Israel can bomb the cities with their far reaching artillery and airforce at will (and which is, what they did)…for every shell fired at Israel, they could fire 10 shells back.
            The conflict is believed to have killed between 1,191 and 1,300 Lebanese people,[58][59][60][61] and 165 Israelis.[62] It severely damaged Lebanese civil infrastructure, and displaced approximately one million Lebanese[63] and 300,000–500,000 Israelis.[64][65][66]

            Not to mention the economic costs and bill:
            The fighting resulted in a huge financial setback for Lebanon, with an official estimate of a fall in growth from +6% to 2% and US$5 Billion (22% of GDP)[336] in direct and indirect costs, while the cost for Israel was estimated at US$3.5 billion.[337] Indirect costs to Israel include a cut in growth by 0.9%.[338] and the cost to tourism was estimated at 0.4% of Israel’s GDP in the following year.[339] According to Imad Salamey in The Government and Politics of Lebanon, the main casualty was the fragile unity between Lebanon’s sectarian and political groups.[340]

            Again, there is no conflict between Lebanon or Israel…there is a conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. And thus without an armed Hezbollah, there would be no conflict…otherwise explain to my why Israel should attack the Lebanon?

          • Joe

            You seems not to get it.

            Was Isreal killing Lebanese before Hezbollah was formed to kick Isreali occupation of Lebanon Answer THIS.
            Was it then the confict was between Hez and Israel only?

            Yes it is true Israel used massive firepower to kill lots of Lebanese using air power while the Lebanese have no defence.

            But then Hezbollah made sure such power is useless even at 1 to 10 odds with just hand held weaponry vs strongest air Force ,navy etc

            So don’t brag about the massive damages on people and infrastructures. Nothing to be proud of.

            So your talk about disarming Hezbollah created to defend Lebanon so that you can again defeat the poor Lebanese army using conventional warfare is really lame.

            Check it out. Everytime Israel attacked Lebanon on flimsy excuses, upwards 20,000 people were killed until Hez stopped that till today

            It’s so silly to even suggest it.

          • Frank Behrens

            I have answered such arguments already…just scroll down.

            To make it short for the people of short attention span:

            1. Hez. units and equipment to JOIN (understand?) the national army (1+1 = more strength for the Lebanon defence)…
            2. there is no reason for Israel to attack the Lebanon (otherwise, explain them) or vice versa.

          • SG

            Have you never heard of the joint US-Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982? The bombing of Beirut made it resemble Aleppo while under the occupation of what was formerly known as Jabhat al-Nusra (which Western MSM frequently referred innocent “moderate rebels”), before its weird name change to Fatah al-Sham, and later on HTS.

          • Frank Behrens

            No, I haven`t heard about the joint the US-Israel invasion of 1982…but I know about the Lebanon War of 1982.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War

            began on 6 June 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) invaded southern Lebanon, after repeated attacks and counter-attacks between the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operating in southern Lebanon and the IDF that had caused civilian casualties on both sides of the border.[15][16][17]

            the Israeli military, in cooperation with the Maronite allies and the self-proclaimed Free Lebanon State, occupied southern Lebanon, eventually surrounding the PLO and elements of the Syrian Army. Surrounded in West Beirut
            and subjected to heavy bombardment, the PLO forces and their allies
            negotiated passage from Lebanon with the aid of United States Special Envoy Philip Habib and the protection of international peacekeepers.

            So, no US invasion..they were part of the UN troops later on.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multinational_Force_in_Lebanon#Operation_DIODON:_Lebanon_1982-1984

            C`mon guys, I know you are living in another world, but you are making it waaaay to easy for me ^^

          • RedBaron9495

            Lol Wikipedia is really Jewpedia….text is often altered to the way Jews want the history being read. You register with Wikipedia and try and tell the truth by altering the Jewish fiction…..and see what happens. It gets changed back pretty quickly.
            Just like Google, YouTube, Facebook & now Twitter….it’s dominated by the Jews….either via it’s owners or CEOs or influence on those Corporations.

          • Frank Behrens

            yeah, as I already said…I feel your pain. Those ignorants out there just don`t accept that I am far superior and do know all things better and constantly try to correct my wisedom…fools. I blame the ewok people…what, you doubt?
            You clearly must be one of them !

        • RichardD

          Since when did Israel, with 100+ UN and other international law resolutions against it, respect Lebanon’s sovereignty, which it violates daily in violation of treaties? The baby rapers are the problem, Hezbollah is the solution. Without Israeli crimes, Hezbollah would be a non issue.

          • Frank Behrens

            Uhm, where does Israel violate on a daily basis the sovereiggnty of lebanon? (and where did they raped babys?)

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            Israel violates Lebanese sovereignty on a daily basis. It is also the only ME country to have invaded each one of its immediate neighbors, as well as bombed and attacked several other non – direct neighbors. Hezbollah is the legitimate defender of Lebanon, as most Lebanese will agree. The Lebanese army could not have withstood one day of attack by Israel in a 2006 type confrontation . .

          • RichardD

            He’s lying of course, and is probably a Jew from the sounds of it.

          • Frank Behrens

            no, in fact I am an ewok from endor…

          • RichardD

            You’re somebody who doesn’t want to deal with the truth.

          • Frank Behrens

            while of cause you are truth-seeker, right?

          • RichardD

            You’re the Jew pedophile rape cult supporter, not me.

          • Frank Behrens

            look, troglodyte , your childish attemps to provoke aside …why on earth do you think I am an Jew and/or supporter of Jews? .
            Well , it is known that the primitivs can organize there world(view) in plain black and white.
            But I don`t think you are THAT primitive…just, frustrated, lonely and lacking some love perhaps…people tend to get bitter and spitefull.

          • RichardD

            You lie like a Jew. You’re the two faced truth hater who has a problem with Jew crime and evil being exposed on these boards, not me.

          • Frank Behrens

            Oh, and in exactly which way jews are lying (is there jewish lying and non-jewish lying?)

          • RichardD
          • Frank Behrens

            Ouch…another easy one(man, normaly I don`t care much what some funny religions/cults/sects teach…but ok).

            http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/van_hyning.html

            http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/kkk.html

            the usual bullshit-fabrications from the racists/facists

            next stop: are the

            The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? (c`mon,the evergreen)

          • RichardD

            “the usual bullshit-fabrications from the racists/facists”

            You’re a bald faced liar and head case trying to suppress the exposure of the truth about Jew crime and evil.

          • Frank Behrens

            and you are still a brutish primitive orc with childish manner…and worse: you are starting to bore me…I could train a parrot with the usual cheap phrases of your ilk.
            Now, don´t you have to dig up the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

          • RichardD

            You’re evading the issues with your immature rantings. When you can disprove anything that I’ve written and debate it in a rational manner, let me know. Until then I’m not going to waste anymore time with your childish idiocy.

          • Frank Behrens

            hopefully, you are a man and stay true to your words…and now, sush, yougo…

          • RichardD

            Goodbye and good riddance moron. Your hatred of truth and reality is plain for all to see. You ran a lot of posts about how you thought that things should be in the real world. And when it came time to address the issues with those familiar with them, you ran away like the intellectual coward that you are.

          • Frank Behrens

            yeah, I fear you have to live without my attention, poor one. Sorry, but now you are boring me seriously…bye.

          • RichardD

            Lies and evasion from a coward unable to back up their stupidity with evidence and rational debate is your modus operandi.

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            OMG….how will we manage to post without this seriously brain-damaged Zionist patsy?

          • Jacek Wolski

            People like RichardD belong in a Zoo. They make a lot of noise, but don’t make a lot of sense 😀

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            He is a coward .. .typical behaviour of a snivelling gutless shill . . .

          • Maker

            There is nobody MORE racist than the fake jew, new-age Israhelli’s.. Some day, maybe not for a while you’re going to pay for the death, lying, etc that you’ve done on a worldwide basis . You modern, new-age joos are phony. You are not Semites the Palestinian people are! You are Satans minions and if that doesn’t bother you it’s proof that that is okay by you!

          • Frank Behrens

            Look, another russian-balkan-bot who´s trying to generate clicks !
            Of cause you will now answere …with more illogical bullshit and personal smears to amuse me in order to drag me in for some more ?
            Nö…nene, not this time

          • Jacek Wolski

            Frank, no point in explaining world events to kids. Especially that RichardD, he ain’t all there upstairs mate 😀

          • Ewan

            Only a troglodyte could have any sympathy morally, politically or otherwise for a fraudulent (fake Jew), racist, colonial entity like Israel.

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            You are an absolute COWARD, who has to hide his real motives and affiliation..

          • Rastislav Veľká Morava

            Then stay on Endor.

          • Frank Behrens

            i am…do you really thought, oh Hutt, that we are without I-net?
            How´s life an Tatooine these days?

          • Larissa Vanderbilt

            Would they seriously want this jerk? Even the Orks have some sense of pride and honor…

          • TRUTHORELSE

            Nah, you are just a zionist troll trying to be funny. But you are not funny. You are a zionazi troll

          • Frank Behrens

            you know, you right wingered truthseekers are funny and very amusing sometimes. It´s like in the Kindergarten…loud, chaotic, without any deeper rational..my friends here in the jewish-endor-trool agency are using this side sometimes in the breaks to amuse ourselves from the hard propaganda work we do.

          • Maker

            frank:
            You’re a dick-lickin’ pedophile!

          • Frank Behrens

            omg…not really ? Your bots/click.baiters have to get waaaaaay better, dear Omsk-trolls.

          • Frank Behrens

            again…where and when since 2006 vioaltes Israel the sovereignty on a DAILY BASIS ?
            If the Lebanese army would have been stationed on the frontier (as it is normal for every country) then I wager there wouldn`t haven been an conflict at all…which is just the case since 2006 (together with UNifil)

            https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Interim_Force_in_Lebanon

            Aside from a rather small borde clash

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_border_clash

            the border rermains calm
            And also to you the question (strange enough ..or not really..I have received ONE answer to that question) .

            Why should Israel attack Lebanon at all at the moment ?
            And do you know the reasons why there was the war in 2006?

          • Jeff Lewin

            The zionist entity steals Lebanese natural gas every day.

            Israeli gunboat fired shots toward Lebanese waters
            http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiveDetails.aspx?ID=192332

            Lebanon says Israel gas search violates sea border
            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-lebanon-gas-interview/lebanon-says-israel-gas-search-violates-sea-border-idUKTRE7094ED20110110

            Not so coincidentally, the Syrian conflict only began in the spring of 2011, following the discovery of natural gas beneath Lebanon’s Mediterranean waters in the summer of 2010.

            All Middle Eastern states can, of course, still remember Syria’s role in repelling the zionist intervention, in guarding Lebanon from zionist incursions, and in pacifying hostilities, during, and after, the Lebanese Civil War.

          • Frank Behrens

            as I said…the cursed hunger for natural ressources…oil/gas..sesh.
            Given, these are indeed points to criticise and should be brought up to the UN (and one hopes, that both sides behave resonable)..e.g. share the ressources on a just basis.
            Flying over the Lebanon´s territory is also a breach of international laws, given, but something different from a full flegded invasion by ground forces.

            But tell me,why are you sooo concerned here ?
            There are a lot breaches in the hole world going on ..and at the moment we see kind of a genocide in Birma /Myanmar
            https://law.yale.edu/yls-today/news/clinic-study-finds-evidence-genocide-myanmar

            And then there is still the occupation of Tibet.

            Are you as well concerned and informed about such events ?

          • Boris Kazlov

            The occu;pation of Tibet is an antichinese hoax by USAIPAC, Tibet has been a Chinese province for thousands of years, until invaded by India who imposed retrograde, exploitative lamas.

          • Jeff Lewin
          • Frank Behrens

            yeah,, the cursed hunger for natural ressources…

          • Ewan

            WHICH part of Israeli sovereignty is violated daily? – the part stolen from the Palestinians?

          • RichardD

            Do an internet search for Israeli violations of Lebanese sovereignty and Jewish circumcision and read all about it.

          • Frank Behrens

            so, you have nothing to tell us …

          • RichardD

            And what did you find, did you even do a search?

          • RichardD
          • Frank Behrens

            Yeah, sure THAT picture is proof ! ..of what? For your stupid prejudice and inferiority complexes…congrats, you DO have the mental capabilities of an Orc

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7dd0f38ae5cee2b1bef94b9ec743b804633520201b1c1504bb182aec3917050.jpg

            Btw, do you know how often I have seen that pictures from all kind of conspiracy-adherents? gets boring…don`t you have some variants ?

          • RichardD

            Oral copulation with a minor is felony statutory rape in most places. Jew pedophile rape centers:

            – List of synagogues in the United States –

            List of synagogues in the United States

            http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NoGGtd37p-s/VMbyLZxIa1I/AAAAAAAAFl0/5M0kv6jyiTQ/s1600/bris.jpg

          • Rastislav Veľká Morava

            That’s stomach churning..

          • RichardD

            The Jew baby rapers belong in jail. It’s appalling that they’re allowed to rape 1,000 cult babies every week, infect them with venereal disease, brain damage and murder them without prosecution, when non Jews get life or death sentences for the same crimes.

          • SG

            There’s the blood libels, evil occult behavior borrowed from the Canaanites and Babylonians, etc. Pharisaism continues to affect large portions of Jews today, particularly when it comes to positions of power.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers%27_Day

            Satanic Ritual Child Sacrifice [discussed] on Oprah Winfrey

            [Video snippets from an Oprah Winfrey show dated May 1, 1989 (ironically on Commie Day).

            Over 25 years ago Oprah Winfrey recorded a shocking interview of a 29 year old Jewish woman who stated that her family, and many other Jewish families throughout the USA, routinely practiced Satanic rituals in which incest, human sacrifice and cannibalism occur. The interview on May 1, 1989 also revealed that these practices were a common occurrence since the 18th century and that they were practiced by certain Jewish cults.

            The Jewish woman that made these revelations was “incognito” during the interview and was identified only as “Rachel.” Today she has been identified as Vicki Polin and she now runs a center to rehabilitate Jewish children who have been sexually victimized by Jewish Satanists.]

            How to Kill Goyim and Influence People — Torat Ha’melech (King’s Torah)

            [This is not science fiction people. This is not said by some antisemitic KKK or NeoNazis these are Rabbis saying its OK to kill non-Jews including children. I have found most of the most damning information about Jewish crimes comes from Jewish sources not so called antisemitic propaganda!

            For the last two three years I have been pursuing the Jewish question and as much as I want to give Jews the beinfit of the doubt I keep seeing things like this over and over and over!]

            https://youtu.be/UhFvfW3Pai0
            https://youtu.be/u1yaWQxVwx0

          • The Latin Mass
          • Frank Behrens

            all right then…the jewish circumcision ceremony …errr….you guys know that most muslims also practice such ceremonies? So, we would have also muslom baby rapers …
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision
            (my personal opinion is indeed that this might have a lasting impact when done in that age…and there is an ongoing discussion if that should be still allowed…and some liberal jewish communities practice that only for grown ups thus)
            What most dimwits refer to is as special jewish ceremony which is praticed by a rather small number of ultra-orthodox jewish communities:

            Metzitzah B’Peh (oral suction) (urg…indeed)

            The ancient method of performing metzitzah—metzitzah b’peh, or oral suction[37][38]—has become controversial. The process has the mohel
            place his mouth directly on the circumcision wound to draw blood away
            from the cut. The majority of Jewish circumcision ceremonies do not use
            metzitzah b’peh,[39] but some Haredi Jews use it.[40][41][42] It has been documented that the practice poses a serious risk of spreading herpes to the infant.[43][44][45][46] Proponents maintain that there is no conclusive evidence that links herpes to Metzitza,[47] and that attempts to limit this practice infringe on religious freedom.[48][49][50]

            So, you dimwits out there…the guy is not bitting the babys foreskin, he sucks the blood from the wound after the Circumcision (which i personally find disgusting …)

          • Ewan

            Muslim practice sucking baby dick? – I ain’t never seen nor heard of that. Squarely a “jewish” peversion.

          • Frank Behrens

            Dimwit , I was clearly refering to circumcision ceremonies. To me, doing that to children is disgusting…with or without sucking the blood of the schniddel or not.

          • RichardD

            The pedophile rape cultists statutory rape 1,000 of their cult babies every week. Non Jews get life or death sentences for the same crimes that Jews go unprosecuted for in many jurisdictions. Which is also a crime.

          • Frank Behrens

            then just join them and you can do it without any consequences to fear of !

          • Holy Gark

            For someone who says he’s not Jewish, you know an aweful lot about Jewish.

            Now, be a good Jew and continue serving the oligarchs of the British Empire.

          • Rastislav Veľká Morava

            Predictable back up plan. Play stupid…lol

          • RichardD

            He’s an intellectual coward.

          • Jeff Lewin

            “Uhm, where does Israel violate on a daily basis the sovereiggnty of lebanon?”

            The not-so-coincidental proxy insurgency in Syria of 2011-present only began after Lebanon discovered natural gas beneath its Mediterranean waters in the summer of 2010.

            Robbing natural gas from a deposit which lies mostly under Lebanese waters, and the associated threats and hostile conduct, are among the zionist entity’s daily violations of Lebanon’s sovereignty.

            William F. Engdahl: “Syria, Turkey, Israel and the Greater Middle East Energy War”
            https://web.archive.org/web/20161201174855/http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-turkey-israel-and-the-greater-middle-east-energy-war

          • Holy Gark

            Dimwit, Israel violates Lebanese airspace daily. Recorded numbers per day at over 100.

          • paulgilpin

            not on a daily basis, but when those israeli planes launch their missiles into syria, they do so from lebanese airspace. which i might add is a detail i was waiting for the author of this piece to make.

        • RichardD
        • Jens Holm

          I agree. Lebanon never should be made like the french did. Moving some flag with a tree, dont do it.

          Brits and french should have kept the 3 coas-regions as they were and leave Damaskus as an Emirate or like that.

        • Ewan

          Lebanon was a part of greater Syria during Ottoman rule. Maybe after Nasrallah captures Jerusalem and the Ashkenazis are back in their European Ghettos, we can start redrawing the despicable European colonial once again.

          • Frank Behrens

            yeah,and once part of the roman province Syria..errr..and before that part of Alexander the Great´s empire—so?
            Might happen..after we have terraformed and settled Mars and Venus…we will reanimate Nasrallah to show him.

        • Holy Gark

          Frank, use your neurons a little bit.

          Hezbollah came to be as a result of Israel’s illegal invasion and occupation of the south of Lebanon.

      • FlorianGeyer

        It is sick but the Israeli nation is largely ‘sick’. and dealing with a “monkey with a hand grenade” is a demanding task.

        In fact , dealing with Israel and the US is akin to dealing with a nuclear armed ISIS with an air force .

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    • RichardD
    • RichardD
    • Boris Kazlov

      I read the American press and the statements of its dumb officers, according to them Iran is the biggest threat (to Israel). I don’t undertand why Murika treats Israel like an ally why Russia always has calculations and misgivings about Syria, this is an epic battle between light and darkness, contrary to Saker, Russia DOES have a moral obligation to live up to the role Destiny assigned to her, wake up oh mother of civilizations, nasha strana!

    • Freespirit

      You are correct EXCEPT Russia IS doing something ( “Guerrilla Warfare Tactics” by PROXY) , as I have suggested to be done in past comments of mine and which is giving them Plausible Deniability as per this sentence from the article: “So the truth of the matter is simple: the Russians will not directly oppose the Israelis, but what they will do is quietly strengthen Iran
      and Hezbollah, which is not only much safer but also much more effective.”

      That sentence by “The Saker” is putting it the “subtle” way, even if he did not mean it :-)

    • Jonathan Cohen

      Israel, Turkey and Russia all respect ABORTION RIGHTS! and are therefore allies, against Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen, Iran, Hezbollah and Syria, which do not.

    • Floyd Hazzard

      Really? Syria is or should be under Russian protection. Everyone should be too scared to attack it. But it’s obvious there’s Russian complicity in Israeli Bombings of Syria, because they never even attempt an interception or even a bluff. What this apologist writer is doing is trying to confuse readers and lay the groundwork for the status quo to continue with minmal backlash.

  • Joe

    My answer to Saker is this …. Russia owes to Syria more than Syria owes to Russia.

    Why?
    Why did Assad refused to allow the oli pipeline from Qatar to Europe via Syria?

    To save the Russian economy.
    If Assad had allowed the pipeline , today Syria would not have had any war and destruction Syria has to pay. Above all hundreds of thousands would still be alive today.

    Russian economy would have been in tatters when Europe can stop buying Russian gas/oil.

    So for Saker to question why Russia help Syria is misplaced. It’s only right Russia help Syria to the end nothing less.

    Russia does not put so much efforts and money for nothing.

    • alejoeisabel

      That pipeline would also transport Iranian gas because the Pars Gas Field is shared with Iran an energy competitor with Russia.

    • nwoecb

      If it weren’t for tens of thousands of Syrian soldiers who died, Russia would be fighting these well-trained jihadists at the gates of Moscow, in the caucuses and other muslim regions of the country. Russia would have ceased to exist and would have imploded.

    • Savio

      Assad had its own interest. It was not pure rusophilia from Assad as you tried to picture it.

      Russia owns nothing to nobody.
      There are muttual benefitial interests from Syria and Russia to help eachother.

      • Floyd Hazzard

        A gas line through Syria to Europe and Russia loses all the influence it has both in terms of the middle east and energy diplomacy. It benefits everyone but them, even Syria that would collect nice transit fees.

    • Floyd Hazzard

      The Saker is not a realist or neutral broker, he is a Russian apologist, more than likely a paid propaganda agent.

  • Onno Frowein

    President Putin 1st priority is Peace & hopes that the warmongers in Washington are coming to their sense and like they say in Russia: ‘Hope dies last’. But this hope is in vain since USA wants wars to expand its hegemony on this planet. Former Security Advisor to US President Carter, Zbigniev Brzezinsky was very clear about US intends in his book ‘ The Grand Chessboard’ about controlling Russia as essential for world peace. In other words WORLD PEACE is ONLY possible when USA controls Russia/China & this planet. Today Washington is trying this again with its ‘destabilization strategy’ in Europe = Ukraine, in the Middle East = Iraq, Iran & now Syria, in the Far East with North Korea & North Africa with Egypt. However and thanks to the strong leadership of the Presidents Putin & Xi Jinping all these attempts failed. So, if USA wants to stick to Brzezinsky’s Plan it must risk WW III, but that again due to the military strength of Russia & China will end into a ‘ PUSH BUTTON WAR’ resulting in total destruction of LIFE on this Planet. This is even too much RISK for the BULLIES in Washington!

  • whatsmolly

    I have to disagree, I’m sure Russia has many non disclosed electronic and standard air defenses in Syria , I agree Israel would win but nothing short of a full scale missle or air assault would be sufficient and I seriasly doubt they would be willing to go that far. You also blend shooting down a plane with intercepting an Israeli missle, which Russia has indeed done near Damascus when they tried to attack Iranian forces. And eye for eye, Russia could easily saturate any Israeli front with enough long range missles to make any move againsnt the forces in Syria very costly. And as much as a believe Israel would use nukes against anyone it would be suicide against Russia, just a few subs could turn Israel into a nuclear waste land.

    • 1691

      no way israhell could win against Russia. no way! don’t even try.

      • MikeH

        “don’t even try.”

        Exactly

    • Ahmed Kamal Pirzada

      Why on earth will Russia do all this???? Unless it is under direct attack by Israel, which is very unlikely, why would they resort to such measures in the first place? As the writer pointed out Russia will protect its core interests with tact and carefully laid out strategy, as obviously they are neither megalomaniacs nor trigger happy cowboys..!

  • Bolter10

    Great articel. It’s a complex situation. You would wonder why Arabs are not united, even the same relions are fighting each other. There is perhaps a ‘warlord’ mentality and that splits the country in to tiny non-aligned states that are unpredictabe. Still there must be common ground for Syria to regain some soverignty.

  • Bob Ibrahim Clarke

    Israel needs to be nuked out of existence, they are evil war mongers ruining the whole world with their US zionist lackeys doing their bidding.

    • 1691

      by whom? who should nuke them?

      • FlorianGeyer

        God :)
        My God of course, not yours :).

    • John Whitehot

      how about 4-5 billions of people trampling (goyims aged 7 to 70) over “her”?

    • Ahmed Kamal Pirzada

      Israel will then obviously also retaliate, putting others out of existence too..
      It’s that simple..

      • Solomon Krupacek

        intersemite war is welcomed. each bomb goes on right place.

        • matt

          shut up Shlomo!!

          • Solomon Krupacek

            shlomo is your cock, mattie :))

            btw., you are so stupid, that dod not recognize, i wrote intersemite war :P

          • matt

            I understood, dumbo

    • Boris Kazlov

      Salam aleykum, Ibrahim, Allah will send his messenger, to purify the world of that shit, no need for nukes, trust Allah.

    • matt

      that is really in the interest of the palestinians, smart!

      • Solomon Krupacek

        interest of world. nike jerusalem and mekka, and is peace.

    • FlorianGeyer

      That is almost sure to happen in time.

    • Sarsour Clito

      Why do you hide behind a clown face? Is it because you have such a tiny penis?

  • Josh

    Why give the enemy what it obviously wants? Provocation after provocation have been met with cool and even determination. Israel and their crazies in DC seem to want runaway train escalation of conflict (and not just in Syria either). Besides, Israel is not some sort of super imortal blessed by god chosen one superpower, who is bulletproof knife proof fireproof and nuke proof. That’s just foolishness. Their position is not nearly as unassailable as they wish to believe (or wish others to believe). Without their hostages, without imperial backup, without the fear they generate, they are toast. If they ever have to stand alone in the light of truth, their position will be extremely undesireable.

  • John Whitehot

    “I don’t see the Israelis use nukes on Russian forces, however, that does in no way mean that the Russians when dealing with Israel should not consider the fact that Israel is a nuclear armed power ruled by racist megalomaniacs”

    This is kind of a joke. Israel may have 200 warheads pointed at Iran, Russia has at least 7500 warheads and a nuclear triad to deliver them anywhere in the world. To prospect that Israel may react with nukes to one plane shot down, with this correlation of forces is comical at the least.

    • RichardD

      Israel would cease to exist quickly in a toe to toe with Russia.

      • MikeH

        Do you think the US would be able to stay out of that hypothetical fight? That evens up the odds quite a bit, doesn’t it?

        Thank God at least one side has some cool heads to work with.

        • RichardD

          Please show me the US mutual defense pact with the evil Jew baby rapers.

          • Boris Kazlov

            There is none, but since when did this matter to Israel, or USAIPAC?

          • RichardD

            Exactly. That’s why they have to resort to crimes like 911 to force the US to do what most Americans don’t want the US to get involved in.

          • Boris Kazlov

            Agreed, even Saker agrees now to this. BTW I am in total disagreement with Russia’s docile policy about the USAIPAC illegal presence in Syria. Kim Jong Un has shown that imperialism is a “paper tiger”, the more you show fear and subservience the more it emboldens it. If you go to war you don’t go with a small force and declare at every trun that you are withdrawing it because “mission accomplished”, I agree with Paul Craig Roberts in this.

          • RichardD

            They didn’t have the resources to fight both Isis and the SDF at the same time. Once they finish clearing west of the river, those resources will be freed up to resolve the SDF issue.

          • MikeH

            It isn’t needed. Do you think the neo-cons wouldn’t fall over themselves rushing ammo and men to aid an existential threat to Israel?

          • RichardD

            That’s why the US needs to be dejudified. The last thing that most Americans want “our” to do is to get involved in another Jew war in the middle east. Especially one involving Israel. The Jewmerica of Jew occupied territory inside the DC beltway and a 50 mile radius of NYC, and the America First, anti Israel first, America outside of DC and NYC are two different places:

            “The Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 is a public law of the United States passed by the 104th Congress on October 23, 1995. The proposed law was adopted by the Senate (93–5), and the House (374–37). The Act became law without a presidential signature on November 8, 1995.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Embassy_Act

            “Majority of Americans oppose moving embassy to Jerusalem …

            According to a new poll conducted by the University of Maryland, The Middle East and Russia: American attitudes on Trump’s foreign policy, found that a strong majority of Americans (63 percent), including 44 percent of Republicans oppose moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.”

            https://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2017/12/07/majority-of-americans-oppose-moving-embassy-to-jerusalem-poll-suggests

            – Over 40% Of Americans Back Sanctions on Israel –

            http://www.mintpressnews.com/poll-over-40-of-americans-back-sanctions-on-israel-for-crimes-against-palestinians/227594/

            – overwhelming support from US public to allow UN establishment of Palestinian state –

            http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/overwhelming-establishment-palestinian/

            – 81% of Americans Oppose “Aid” to Israel –

            http://newobserveronline.com/81-americans-oppose-aid-israel/

        • Boris Kazlov

          The USAIPAC will intervene on Israel’s side, it is the muscle while Israel is the brain.

    • telemetrie

      I’M afraid it doesnt matter if you have 200 or 7000 nukes when whole life on the Earth can be wiped out with 100….

      • Solomon Krupacek

        100 sure not. thre were much more test in air and on ground. at least 1000, mostly H-bombs. israeli nucleaqr capcities are dangereaus only against ME countries. russia has capabilities to eliminate each missile/warhead shot from IL.

    • matt

      Only one big bomb is enough to kill every israeli, stupid

      • Solomon Krupacek

        tsar bomb on al kuds

        • matt

          czar bomb up your ass

          • dontlietome

            Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…………..and I’m still laughing !

          • Solomon Krupacek

            hehe :)))

      • John Whitehot

        ah, now I get it.

        So that’s good reason to fuck around with a country that has thousands of them.

        Clever.

  • Jack P

    Despite air superiority I wouldn’t be so sure that Israel would win an all-out conflict with Syria, remember that Israel got their butts kicked by Hezbollah in Lebanon several years ago. I agree with thee article’s general point that prudent bolstering of Syria’s air defense capabilities is the way for Syria’s supporters. It was just a few months ago that Syria claimed to hit an Israeli plane. Israel of course denied it, saying the plane was hit by birds as I recall.

  • Rüdiger Preiss

    Brilliant article, thank you

  • Ryan Glantz

    Simple-
    Putin is allowing Israel to expose themselves on the world stage for the crazies they are.

  • Xanatos

    Very interesting.

    I can add a reminder that immediately after Russia intervened to prevent the collapse of Syria into the hands of terrorists, Netanyahu and his military chief of staff flew tho Moscow to speak with Putin.

    They threatened Russia by showing Israel has the ability to shoot Down any Russian plane and destroy and Russian air defense system. Then the coerced an agreement: Russia and Israel will never attack each other despite seeking opposing goals in Syria.

    Putin looked very uncomfortable in that meeting.

    • RichardD

      “They threatened Russia by showing Israel has the ability to shoot Down any Russian plane and destroy and Russian air defense system.”

      What proof do you have to support this nonsense?

      • MikeH

        How about the fact they have gone out of their way to not get in each others’ way? There were early reports of Russian fighters entering Israeli airspace and public, gentle nudges but no AA.

        The Saker does a good job of detailing why Russia has no need to tangle with Israel. Someone needs to take the opposite sidea of the peace arguement too. There is no benefit for Israel to attack Russia either. Russia is allied with Syria, Hezbolah, Iran and Egypt. Russia could make life quite uncomfortable for Israel if they wanted as well. Detante is the way to go between these two.

        • RichardD

          Israel needs to be delisted from the UN and replaced with Palestine and Judaism outlawed to create a Jew free planet.

        • Solomon Krupacek

          russia is not allied with ny of these countries. ussr/russia was never allied with any moslem country. closer cooperation, thats all. moscow never trusted to moslems. and so will be also in the future.

          • Savio

            It is not about trust, you retarded opinion is childlish.
            Russia does not have interest to bre formal ally with such countries in Middle East, because Russia does not benefit from such situation. Ryssia could be draged into huge war for stupid reasons in Middle East.

            No reason, no interest for Russia to sign formal allience with anybody in Middle East.

            But Russia ca always find countries like Syria or Iran and have muttual benefitial interests.

            With formal allience Russia would gain nothing. And lose a lot.

            Searching partners with mutual benefitial interests if rational.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            retarded is your mother, that let herself fuck by your father.

            i as former officer of warsaw pact detailly know the russian backgound politics. the fact is, never made real alliance. sold weapons, sometimes were present instructors to teach the using of weapons. that is all. you, animal, try to find counterargue instead of personal attacks!

          • RichardD

            This is you:

            “Section 8 is a category of discharge from the United States military, used for a service member judged mentally unfit for service. It also came to mean any service member given such a discharge or behaving as if deserving such a discharge, as in the expression, “he’s a Section 8″.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(military)

        • RichardD

          That’s not proof of:

          “They threatened Russia by showing Israel has the ability to shoot Down any Russian plane and destroy and Russian air defense system.”

    • Joe

      If that is true why Israel now Attack Syria from Lebanon?

      • Solomon Krupacek

        technically easier

    • dontlietome

      Diferent strokes for different folks…………………well Xanatos, Your rather incorrect recollection went like this………. Satanyahoo and his team were SUMMONED to Moscow……………….. and Putin read the riot act. It was a one way conversation, which basically went……………”iI you want a war, you can have one, but not a single jew will be left alive, and that is a promise that I can keep”. Satanyahoo and his team left ashen-faced. For further info, trawl the files of Veterans today, Gordon Duff will put you right.

      • Savio

        Satanyahoo want to Moscow. Putin did not went to Tel Aviv.

        Satanyahoo went to Tsar of Russia to beg for help. Putin ignored him.
        That is all.

  • Behold a Pale Horse

    Aint no nukes bro. All fake.

  • RichardD

    The Russians could cripple the IAF a lot quicker than many realize. Israel is a very small country surrounded by hostile neighbors who wouldn’t come to it’s aid. And who would be happy to see the IAF, which has done so much harm to so many, neutralized. The IAF is dependent on it’s basing. And Russia could shut those capabilities down pretty quickly. And destroy much of the IAF in the process. The baby rapers are well aware of their vulnerability and give the Russian bear a wide berth.

    • Klaus_der_Kraut

      Wrong. RF does not have enough military assets in ME to challenge IAF. Not even close. Russia looks formidable on paper but people forget that the nation is so big, most forces cannot be projected elsewhere.

      • Savio

        You do not need to shoot down all Israely warplanes.
        Atack by long range cruise misiles on Israely military airports, bases in Israel will make Israely aiforce uselss. They would not have where to land after they use their munition.

        Israel is small. It does not have strategic depth. Such countey is easy to be destroyed by power like Russi.a
        But tyat is not posible, because Israel controls USA and that would be WWIII.

        Russia could move way more forces in Middle East if needed.
        Russia has huge ICBM nuclear forces, so even if they move all the conventional forces to Middle East. Still Russia is safe at home.

        Mass barage by couple of Russian submarines and warships with long range cruise missiles and masive hit by long range crusie missile from Russian long range aviation would be enough to destory all Israely military bases and factories.

        In theory, it is easy for Russia to destroy small country like Israel.
        But in reality it is not posible, because Israel controls USA.

        Alslo, Russia has no reasons to destory Israel. Only if Israel atacks Russia.

      • RichardD

        Yes they do, and the other commenter describes some of it.

    • FlorianGeyer

      It could well happen when the time is right Richard.

    • Joe

      Right even Right now they know Syria air defences without S300/400 can take out their planes and they have to fire from Lebanon many missiles to strike a target.

      If Syrian defences can bring down a missile, it can bring down a plane easier

      These are facts

  • Turbofan

    “not a single Muslim or Arab country has done anything to help the Syrian government fight against the Takfiris?”

    This is nonsense and NOT true.. Iran is a Muslim country. Before Russia intervened Iran and Hezbollah( still an Iranian extension) practically prevented the collapse of Syria. ..Thousands of Iranians have died in Syria so this point is just a plain lie..

    • Richards

      Iran isn’t Arab. There Persians

      • Robert Duran

        Where did he say they are Arabs?

    • Savio

      Saker already wrote that Iran helped alot. Why are you ignoring the rest of the text by Saker.
      Obviously Saker was writing about other muslim nations, mostly sunnies.
      Not Iran.
      If you read carefuly Saker text, you will find that Saker wrote positivly about Iran helping Syria.
      So your comment and argument against Saker is fake and fail.

  • Turbofan

    The answers to the questions in this article are not convincing and seem naive at best

    • Gabriel Hollows

      The airstrikes are small scale and ineffective. They have no impact in the course of the war, and can therefore be ignored lol the childish provocations they are.

      • Solomon Krupacek

        still strikes and attacks.

    • Pommy Pie

      “Saker” or whatever he calls himself has done his best to ignore the deep lins between the Russian tech/Aeorspcae industry and Israel. Since the early 2000 Israeli tech companies have made large investments into Russian economy facilitated by Oligarchs like Roman abromovich & German khan. Russias modern drone fleet was devolped with the aids such as IAI and Rafael.

      http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Books-Israel-and-the-saleof-advanced-drones-to-Russia-480326

      • Savio

        Retard, Russia has many buisines ties, with many countries, not only Israel. Many NATO countries have strong buisines ties with Russia. Still they are geopolitical enemies.

        USA and China have huge buisines ties, still they are global competitors, and geopolitical “enemies”.

        Your simplification is retarded and childlish.

        • Robert Duran

          People are simply expressing their point of view here.Why are you so hostile..Any chance you might be the retard?

    • Solomon Krupacek

      you can write what you want, but russia´s behaviour is not as ally of syria. when turks shot down the russian plane, and ankara pleased, within 8h was irregular nato meeting. and be sure, if russia would attack turky, ALL allied countries would defend turky. russia does not defend syria. 108 countries play their game on the soil of syria. russia is looking at and does not anything. russia did not anything for long years of syrian civil war. i wrote olready one year ago, that russia loses all friends on this planet. no country will cooperate with russia. and this will be the end for this country.

      • John Whitehot

        must be a bitch getting old without any prospect of your haters dreams becoming true.

      • Savio

        Lol, that is only your pathetic dream jew boy.

        Russia has enough friendly countries.

        Russia saved Syria.
        If there was no Russia, Syria would be atacked by USA and NATO forces, and Assad would not have a chance, just like did not have a chance.

        So you are lier.

        And Russia has many friendly countries.

        But even without them. It is the job of Russian army forces to protect Russia.
        And tgey are more then powerfull. Russia is safe and nobody can destroy her.

        So, go cry, and dream your pathetic dreams. That is all you can.

  • Gue Bjuen

    the question would be how could russia stop israel and the jews not to bomb anywhere they want.
    the national socialist germany was the last country openly critisising jews and their slaves
    like communists, free masons, finance sectors etc, as an european based government.
    since the defeat of germany pretty every european based countries are looking away.
    i call them jews because they are. they are not khazars nor zionists nor askenanzy jews.
    jesus fight and was murdered by jews not zionists. it’s the same kind of people with the
    same menthalities. jews.

  • Andrzej Bendyk

    Any ally of Russia cannot be sure its support. I appreciate Russian support for Assad but Russia is unrliable ally. That will not help Russia in the future. Putin has a strange sympathty to israel. Guess why

    • nwoecb

      The war in Syria has proven that Russia is indeed an untrustworthy ally. Also, it has proven that weapons contracts signed with Russia can be called off (S300 for Syria and Iran) – unless you are a NATO member like Turkey.

      I think the coming years you will see many countries develop their own armaments industry and move away from Russian arms dependency – they are simply unreliable (a simple call from Netanyahu to Putin is enough to call off signed and paid for agreements).

    • Savio

      Putin does not have” strange sympathy” for Israel.
      That is pure imagination. No facts, and no logic in that theory.

      Everything that Putin did about Syria, Middle East and Iran eas against Israel interests.

      Russian media like RT is critisicing Israel every time, and making proPalestinian stories.

      So your fake thery has nothing to do with reality. Empty words.

      By the way. Israelis (Jews) in Wall street, and other poeer structures in USA put sanctions on Putins Russia, just like their jewish owned media in USA are demonising Putin and Russia daily.

      Once again your theory fails when faced with reality.

      Russia saving Assad. – Against Israel interests.
      Thanks to that Iran is in Syria, conecting itself with Hezbolah. Isreal is mad about it. And it such situation was posible thanks to Russia.
      Russia selling S300 to Iran, also against Israel interests.

      Almost everything that Russa does is against Israel interests.

      And some braineashed simpletons talking about “strange sympaty” for Israel by Russia.

      Well Israel owns you, and controls you in the west. Maybe that is why you are buthurt, and want to project same on Russia.

    • Savio

      Also, Russia is very trustworthy ally.
      Ryssian official allies are Kazahstan. Belaruss, Armenia. Kirgystan and Tajikistan. Those countries are safe. Russia has formal signed allience with them

      Russia does not have signed allience with Syria.

      But anyway, Russia had its interests in Syria, and Russia saved Assad.
      Despite such powers like USA, Germany France, UK, Tutkey, Israel, S. Barbaria and many others, all combined wanted Assad down.

      What Russia did in such situation is heroic, brave. It is almost a miracle to be succesfull against such powers.
      Definitly Russia is trustworthy.

      • Brad Isherwood

        >>>>Definitly Russia is trustworthy.
        An Iranian official who worked at Iran’s United Nations mission in New York in 2006, when the Security Council adopted Resolution 1696 — its first nuclear-related resolution against Iran — told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity, “At that time, Russia had promised the Iranian government that it would veto any sanctions resolution against Iran at the UN, even though we in New York had warned Tehran that Moscow would not do this. But [President] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was counting on Russia’s promise.”

        Russia’s long-stalled delivery of an S-300 air defense system to Iran, which Moscow committed to delivering in an $800 million deal in 2007, is another example of this dynamic. The system was finally delivered in April 2016, after a nine-year delay and after Iran filed a complaint against Russia with the International Court of Arbitration. The construction of the Bushehr nuclear power plant, which Russia agreed to build in the early 1990s but dragged out for almost two decades, is another instance that fueled pessimism about Moscow in Iran.

         http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/01/iran-trump-secretary-of-state-tillerson-putin-khamenei.html
        ******

        • SG

          Russia delayed the purchase because of UN sanctions imposed on Iran.

          • SG

            07.08.2017: Russia Suggests I Buy Su-27M3 Fighters. Iran wants Su-30SM[E] or Su-35 – Reports:

            https://southfront.org/russia-suggests-iran-buy-su-27sm3-fighters-iran-wants-su-30sm-su-35-reports/

            [According to Shephard Media special correspondent Babak Taghvaee, Russia rejected the Iranian request to buy 18 Su-35 multirole air superiority fighters and 8 Su-30SM multirole fighters. In turn, Moscow reportedly suggested Tehran to buy a unknown number of Su-27SM3 multirole fighters….

            …Despite UN sanctions, the sensitive technologies implemented in the production of Su-30SM and Su-27SM3 aircraft, as well as some commercial issues were allegedly behind the situation. In any case, the US is able to block any such delivers to Iran via the UN Security Council till 2020 when the limitations have to be lifted.

            However, according to other experts, Babak Taghvaee’s story is questionable. Babak Taghvaee argued that Russia had no problems with delivering Su-27SM3 this year despite the UN Security Council limitations. This is very unlikely.

            Furthermore, Russia does not produces new Su-27SM3 multirole fighters. It just modernizes older Su-27 versions.]

          • SG

            Part of S-400 shipment to China damaged by storm

            More: http://tass.com/defense/985944

  • Nuno Cardoso da Silva

    Russia could easily defeat Israel, but by doing so it would make it imperative for the US to come to the help of its ally. Is it in anybody’s interest to start a major war between Russia and the US in the ME? An idiot like Trump may make such a war impossible to avoid, but Russia shouldn’t be the one to start it. Better to give Syria the means to shoot down the odd Israeli plane, just so that Israel understands the risks of pushing too hard

    • telemetrie

      no way Russia can defeat Israhell. Not with conventional weapons. Absolute nonsense.

      • Gabriel Hollows

        Cry more kike.

        • matt

          racism is pathetic

          • dontlietome

            …………… Israel and its apartheid regime are the BIGGEST racists on the block, so don’t try defending it one iota.

          • matt

            I am not defending it ass whipe

          • SG

            While racism is unpleasant, most Jews support Israel and are notorious of contriving false accusations of antisemitism over those who criticize not only Zionism, but even Jews themselves.

            Thought crimes are never referred to as such, otherwise they wouldn’t have any effect on the populous that elite groups want to brainwash. The use of taboos, regardless of whether natural or artificial (social engineering as opposed to a product of nature), is also commonly used to slander and shutdown debate.

            Such people do not truly care about freedom of speech and expression, otherwise, they wouldn’t be utilizing the use of thought crimes, whether by law or by taboo, is used to conceal truthful information that elites don’t want to become public knowledge. Useful idiots often include not only genuine idiots, but also those with higher levels of education and intelligence, even in the case of the highly intelligent.

            Those who aren’t aware of esoteric knowledge don’t know any better, this is because most people regardless of the quality of their intelligence and education are not interested in what is not immediately noticeable. Due to controls on the flow of information, most people do not have the necessary knowledge to understand other perspectives that are given less attention due to the absence of open discussion on the matter due to an elite’s influence over people’s thoughts and attitudes.

            [Israeli Minster Shulamit Olani “We Always Use The Anti-Semitism Trick or Use The Holocaust Card]

            https://youtu.be/XSJS58Zz600

          • SG

            The Saker: A Crash Course on the True Causes of Antisemitism”: https://southfront.org/crash-course-true-causes-antisemitism/

            Anti-Semitism Is A trick? Oh Dear!: https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/03/28/anti-semitism-is-a-trick-oh-dear/

            A more accurate definition of ‘Anti-Semitism’: http://www.smashculturalmarxism.com/a-more-accurate-definition-of-anti-semitism/

            The Hate Speech Fabrication as Orwellian Thought Control: http://www.smashculturalmarxism.com/hate-speech-fabrication-orwellian-thought-control/

          • SG
          • SG

            Their words, not mine.

            A photo taken from “Theodore Herzl’s Complete Diaries”:

            https://prnt.sc/huizz3

            Kalergi’s Plan:

            https://prnt.sc/huizm2 http://prntscr.com/i2egse

            Samuel Maurice:

            http://prntscr.com/i2ehx1

          • SG

            Quotes from Theodor Herzl, Karl Marx, and Dr. Heinrich Bruning:

            “It is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse, this will assist in the realization of our plans. I have an excellent idea, I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate jewish wealth. The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best of friends.” ~ Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism (1860-1904).]

            “The classes and the races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way. […] They Must perish in the revolutionary holocaust.” ~ Karl Marx

            * Marx. People’s Paper. April 16, 1856.
            ** Journal of the History of Ideas. Vol. 42, No. 1. 1981.

            “I didn’t and do not even today, for understandable reasons, wish to reveal that from October 1928, the two largest regular contributors to the Nazi party were the general managers of the two largest Berlin banks, both of Jewish faith and one of them the leader of Zionism in Germany.” ~ Dr. Heinrich Bruning (1885-1970), former Chancellor of Germany (1930-1932) in a 1937 letter to Winston S. Churchill

          • SG

            Sorry, any comments of mine will be kept short and precise In the future.

          • matt

            Eeh, why are you telling me this??? I know this since i read newspapers almost 40 years ago, some people recognize hypocrisy very fast

          • dontlietome

            And while your blowing Obama, see if he can furnish you with an education you septic mutt………………… “arse wipe”. We speak English, you talk shit.

          • matt

            Obama? What is your point?

          • John Whitehot

            besides, it seems the only ally they’ve got was the South African government, before the apartheid era ended.

            The US i’m not considering, as they are one big, foolish guard dog – not an ally.

      • Melotte 22

        They sure can even without putting a foot in Israel. A massive barrage of long range ballistic missiles from Russian territory can turn Israel into nothing, in just a few hours.

      • Manuel Flores Escobar

        Hezbollah defeated Israel…imagine Russia!…give to HZB S-300, Pantsir S2 and P-800 missile and I´ll tell you how long Israeli forces take to withdraw…

      • Richards

        Sure about that ‼.

      • Savio

        Yes Russia could do it. But not with small force that Russia has in Syria.
        Russia would need to bring huge army, to defeat Israel. But that would be WWIII because Israel controls USA. So it is not an option.

    • Solomon Krupacek

      russia can defat only with nuclear weapons. but this = ww3

      • Ryan Glantz

        A nuke exchange will never occur. There are enough benevolent Extra Terrestrials here that have advanced technology to render them all inert, and besides, they need the human surface population to survive. Believe it or not, the human DNA skinsuit is quite advanced technology for souls to pilot.

        • Savio

          Lol, you totaly brainwashed.

        • John Whitehot

          one wonders where they were when Hiroshima and Nagasaki got flattened.

          Do these aliens intervene only when someone can shoot back?

          • matt

            hahahahahahaa!!!

      • Savio

        War with Israel is WWIII because Israel controls USA.
        But if there is no USA hypoteticly speaking. Russia could destroy Israel easily with massive conventional atack on Israely facilities, military bases, even cities…
        Israel is small, realy small country. It can not survive mass atack.

        But if there is no USA. israel would not be so “brave”, and strong words from Iran, or Russia would be enough to calm down Israel. There would be no need for war. Words would be enough.
        But with big boy USA behind Israel, Israel is beheaveing very agresivly, because they feel safe.

        But Israel is doing very dangerous and evil things. So their future might not be so nice, if they dont change their arogant behaviour.

      • BMWA1

        Surely there are less extreme ways to deal with obesity in Russia?

        • Solomon Krupacek

          shoot them :))

  • telemetrie

    The problem is that Russia can’t win any offensive war.
    Their are is purely defensive. They have lack of transport capacity, they have not any modern ships except few submarines, they are in the middle of process of modernization and they have not economic resources for big and lost lasting conventional war far away from the mainland.

    They are quite opposite to NATO which lacks any defensive capabilities and is designed purely offensive for quick well coordinated attacks with huge superiority in the air and wide use of precision weapons.

    So Putin is simply AFRAID to confront Israhell thousand kilometers from the russian mainland.

    • Solomon Krupacek

      ouch, here thou shall not write critical words on russia, because the fanatics will eat you.

      • RichardD

        The Zio regime change project failed, deal with it. Israelistan east of the river is next on the to do list.

    • John Whitehot

      “They are quite opposite to NATO which lacks any defensive capabilities and is designed purely offensive for quick well coordinated attacks with huge superiority in the air and wide use of precision weapons”

      You know nothing. People can recognize you from the fuming bullshit you write about the military.

    • Savio

      That is bullshit. Putin is not afreid of confrontation with NATO.
      Yet alone anything else.
      Saker makes sence and logic. You dont. You use childlish words like – Putin is afreid.

      Putin is not afreid. Putin is wise. And he is responsible for millions of lifes. In fact billions.

      If Putin was afreid he would not be in Syria in the first place.
      He would not confront global dominant power like USA and NATO.

      Simly Putin is wise, mature, defending Russian interests. But he is not maniac to start WWIII.

      You people use childlish words and “logic”. But that is not how geopolitics work.

      Saker makes sence and logic, you dont.

  • MeMadMax

    So, there is a solution: Give the mighty S400 to the SAA and call it a day.
    It’s a win win for everyone(except the crazy psychopath netanyahoooo)

    • Savio

      S400 is worth billions. Nobody gives such weapons for free.
      And that could lead to escalation of conflict in Middle East, potentialy to WWIII.
      Russia is wise. Not acting stupid as somebody would want

  • Solomon Krupacek

    The Saker: Why is Putin “allowing” Israel to bomb Syria?

    beacuse he is coward.
    what can we wait from grey KGB officer, puppet of oligarchs? putin =/= napoleon.

    • dontlietome

      because he is a coward…………….. I would love you to say that to his face, before he introduced you to a world of pain……………… you snivelling shite encrusted arse wipe.

      • Solomon Krupacek

        yes, he is coward. americans would never respect shelling of their allies. russians all all cowards. therefore lost the cold war. they were never enough tough. russians hav only big mouth, and little acts.
        i have videos from autumn when rusians began bombing in syria. putin had full mouth with promises, and did 10% of them. he is simply idiot. if he is the bestest what russia can have, then they have already finished.

        • RichardD

          War game out how you would do it.

    • Savio

      Why Solomon writed stupid childlish coments?

      Because Solomon is dumb, retarded boy.

      Putin is the best world leader today. Putin is the only hope for the world not to fall in total dictatorship.

      Putin is greater then Napoleon.
      Napoleon is loser. He lost war with Russia.

      Putin is wining the race. What Putin did wolith failed country like Russia in 90s is almost a miracle.

      And now Putin is hope for many freedom lovers all around the world.

      • Solomon Krupacek

        putin is idiot. he lost everything. he is corrupt, oligarch. he stole the future of rusdsia. stalin would him shoot within 5 minutes.

    • RichardD

      Go for it general Rambo, war game out how you think it should be done.

  • Aurelio Ferdinand

    Hmm! interesting article, I must say that this is disinformation/propaganda.

    • matt

      it is opinion, nothing more, but a very interesting opinion

    • Savio

      It is opnion. But very truthfull opinion. And very, very logical.

  • aba opaco

    Russians are pussies, the only one thing about the Russians in Syria is that Israel and US can’t destroy the actual government, Syria, Hezbollah and Iran need time to win the war in Syria, that’s what Russia can do for them, just buy time, once is done Israel is next, and those nazis know that, therefore they are planing their next war in Lebanon

    • Savio

      Russians were never pussies. Russians are one of the most bravenations ever.
      Ryssians survived aracks by many hordes and empires, defeated Napoleon and Hitler.

      Nobody could survive war with Hitler after loosing tens of millions, and Russia kept fighting and won.
      Unlike most of Europrans who bow down to Hitler easily.
      How much France fought Hitler,
      Month? Lol.

      Russians almost alonr, against so many world powers in Syria.

      Most of tye world bow down to UzsA, and Russia dont. Very few nations did not bow down to USA.
      Russia is one of the breavest nations ever. That is reality

  • SG

    Putin is on good terms with the Chabad-Lubavitch organization and never condemned comments made by the late Ovadia Yosef, who by the way was on good terms with Bibi; Yosef was also head of the Hasidic dominated Shas party which is aligned to the Likud party, Netanyahu is their party chairman.

  • alejoeisabel

    With regard to Israeli threats, everyone in the Middle East are studying how North Korea defends itself from US aggression. Perhaps if Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran have 100,000’s of missiles that can be used to retaliate against Israeli aggression that will make Israel think twice. Israel would think twice if it had a North Korea type of neighbor that could send 10,000 missiles to Tel Aviv in retaliation.

    • dontlietome

      You forgot to mention, that N.Korea has nukes………………….. and that stops most troblemakers in their tracks. Now if Hezbollah and Syria had Nukes, 1….. we would be where we are today and 2….. There would be no Israel…………….and peace would reign supreme.

  • nwoecb

    Very very naive article. I think TheSaker got too much publicity recently.

    Obviously, Russia could stick to its agreements it signed with Syria when the latter ordered and paid for an much older S300 air defence system more than a decade ago. Also Syria asked for Mig31 and Mig29M/M2 fighter jets long ago – all of which Russia refused to deliver to Syria because of Israel’s influence on Russia. Of course, I agree: the final decision is Russian. But it does show that Russia is not the super power it pretends to be or that it deserves to be treated as an equal to the USA. Russia (just like much smaller Israel) is simply a regional power. Israel has proven this.

  • Langaniso Mhlobo

    Their playing white monopoly both are white don’t trust them.

    • SG

      Whether or not they’re white is irrelevant, unless you happen to believe in the fable white privilege (which faded out of existence by the 1980’s for the most part) constantly propagated by the faux Liberals long after obtaining equal rights for women and minorities? Their ideological foundation is detailed in ‘Critical Theory’, contrived by the Institute for Social Research (the Frankfurt School) in Frankfurt, Germany back in the 1920’s.

      • SG

        Both Netanyahu and Putin of Ashkenazi origin, the former being the descendant of Polish Jews and the latter mostly from Russian Jewish stock.

        • Savio

          Your brain is of junk origin.
          Your informations are of junk origin.
          Satanyaho is evil.
          Putin is great. Modern global hero.

    • dontlietome

      ” Both are white , don’t trust them” …………………….. I have worked in Africa, and more corrupt mo’fuckers can’t be found in ANY other corner of the globe, you bunch of tribal inbred muppets.

      • Langaniso Mhlobo

        The fact that you say can’t means it is not.Sounds like you raping English.

  • Floyd Hazzard

    I haven’t read such garbage in a long time. Russia was invited legally to Syria to support the government from attacks and to try to return peace to it’s territory. They accepted. It only follows that as a protector, any attack on Syria should rightly be viewed as an attack on Russia. I’m tired of this author being an apologist. Call the situation for what it is, RUSSIAN COMPLICITY.

    • Klaus_der_Kraut

      No. It is invited to fight terrorism, not to protect Syrian government.

    • Savio

      Russia was called by Syria to fight against terorism.
      Russia was not called by Syria to fight with Syrian neighboures.

      Your argument is fake, childlish, retarded.
      Saker said everything truthfully and perfectly logical.

    • RichardD

      Then war game out your version of what Russia should do general Rambo.

  • Weldon Cheek

    I am always guilty of instantly thinking “where are the russians?” whilst israel bombs Syria but reading this makes me feel a bit of a donut! I myself always have played the long game as in “he who laughs last laughs longest” i just never put that logic on this issue, see, Southfront is also educational,and thats a good thing!

  • Klaus_der_Kraut

    My lord, people are stubborn. Putin has repeatedly said he is for Russia and Russia only, and that relationship between nations are bound by interests, and interest only. His actions also support his words. I agree with Saker fully on almost all points. Israel has issues with Russia because of Iran and Hezbollah presence in Syria, and it is attacking mostly Hezbollah targets, including weapons Israel believes to be connected to Hezbollah. Russia is there to protect its naval access, and eliminate terrorists threats. Russia has no interest of going into conflict with any country over their own political interests. Russia has no interest in Iran-Israel conflict (the coordination between Iran and Russia is minimal). Putin even said he respect the self-determination of Kurdish people, provided that it is done through peaceful method.

  • Manuel Flores Escobar

    Israel just test their air to ground Agm 142 popeye missile from long distance while SAF are testing Pantsir,Buk m2, New pechora ground to air missile…lately with the support of Russian early warning radar and the deploy of more system as terrorist left position…SAF are able to shot dowm many Israeli missile beside old S-200 have hit at least 4 Israeli fighter jets which will have shrapnel in their ass!..anyway Israel fear airstrike sustained over time inside Syria flying near airdefense among other reason pilots could be capture by terrorist groups in case of being shot down!

  • Rob Centros

    Why couldn’t Russia supply S-400s or more advanced S-300s to the Syrian government so they (not the Russians) could protect their own military installations? As for defending a “Muslim country,” I thought it was clear that one of the main reasons Russia came into Syria was to protect the Syrian Christians. Has that been forgotten? As for Israel, their object is to try to undo what Russia has accomplished by sacrificing their own blood and material. While I understand that Putin (and Russia in general) “play chess” and look to the long term while their opponents are playing checkers, it still seems like the “Russia has no moral obligation” argument is petulant and petty. They took on that moral obligation when they propped up the Syrian government and supplied the Syrian people with food and medical supplies. You only have to look at the huge pictures of Putin on the banners carried by grateful Syrians to know there is no longer cold and calloused business arrangement here. To pretend otherwise is to be a misguided Putin fan boy.

    • Brad Isherwood

      Most of Soviet Era/Russia now client states have had the living @ kicked out of them by Empire.
      Sob,sob…..”Russia was deceived when NATO bombed Libya to Smithereens and Khaddafi was murdered”
      https://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/dees%252Blibya.jpg
      No they weren’t. …they knew exactly what’s coming next,…..after Clinton/UN bombed Serbs.
      US not leaving Dopeistan (Afghanistan )after 16 years…
      No mystery Uncle Shlomo is not going to leave Iraq and newly stolen annex of Syria.
      Netanyahu published months before Putin/Lavrov deconfliction agreements, that Israel would Never give back the Syrian Golan. ..despite UNSCRs demanding Israel withdraw.
      Deconfliction agreements give legitimacy to the illegal invaders to remain.
      Russia was bombing the hell out of Erdogans stolen Iraqi/Syrian oil racket where Kurds drove tanker trucks with ISUS.
      https://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/erdogan-oil-mafia_0.jpg
      Russia no longer bombs them….now sells S 400 to Erdogan. …other trade deals,
      Turkstream pipeline. ..nuclear energy project??,

      • RichardD

        The war isn’t over. Israelistan east of the river is next on the to do list once Idlib is cleared and the war west of the river transitions to the mopping up phase.

    • dontlietome

      You make some good points, but lets face it Rob, Pres. Putins “Moral Obligation” is to his People, its economy, and the country in general. No foreign conflict, bar a major conflagration (WW3) is going to deflect him from his prime directive. And in my humble opinion, I think we ALL expect WAY too much from him. We should all consider what are we, as individuals and desktop jockeys are doing to aid the downfall of the Antizionistcriminalcabals downfall ?????? (Just a thought ).

  • hvaiallverden

    Russians is in the same sack as the Wankees, rotten corrupt people, nothing else, greed and power is their mantra.

    And I dont bother debating the IDF rats, and how “brilliant” their air force is, because this rests on an third party, the Wankees, not ability’s what so ever, but the big raving hunk behind the terror state ISISraels doings, carding the lunatics.

    But to me, the case is more fundamental, the Russians are cowards, period.
    And they will bleed for their own Greed, the inability to face reality, the fact that ISISrael controls Russia, thru the MSM, watch RT go PC, pimps hitleri/hitlera etc, all to protect the rats in ISISrael, never writes the real thing, but comes with horrible story’s of an 94 year old Nazi Guard, the things that make RT go down into an bucket where there is a lot of others, and why, because most ISISrael top scums are de facto Russians.
    Interesting fact that never is debated, the settlers, etc, all of course, pure Semitic people, right.

    Russia and China didnt win jack shit, they ended up with running from Syria and now everything back fires, and they hide behind done their job, and I wounder, when the war comes against Iran, can you trust Russia, whom have thrown Iran under the buss several times before to show how friendly their are, an Pavlovian gesture of obedience, nice dogs, in face of the chosen ones, huh, Ruskie.
    Never underestimate the Russians when it comes to greed, in that, they are as everybody else, I am afraid.

    Again, Russia dug their own grave and that by cowardliness.
    Chess, my ass, chess is for senile people, and an brilliant explanation of doing nothing and an way of undue cluster f…..

    For an while they did it, then something snapped, and all we got was lame explanations, like this one, whom made me almost puke.
    Like the Joojos, the Russians never learn, weird, until millions of them dies, its like an karma, cowardliness is an grave sin, and always leads to capital punishments.
    Stupid people.

    peace

    • John Whitehot

      “the Russians are cowards”

      OMFG.

      Try WW2, East Front.

    • matt

      people are people….ALL over the planet

    • Savio

      Your words are useles junk.

      Russians are great nation, global power, empire buildrs. Idea builders. Brave. Russians won some of tye bigest wars in world history, like Hitler and Napoleon.

      You are pathetic, nobody. Your words are lies and junk.

      • Solomon Krupacek

        great nation?

        write here the long list of original russian inventions in the last 30 years, which enriched the mankind.

        i am waiting …

        • John Whitehot

          Russia has an history which is several centuries old, dating to middle ages.

          It’s only convenient to zionist boot-lickers talking about the “last 30 years”, in which in any case Russia has had to resist the attempts to weaken and subdue it.

          You folks make me wanna puke, scum of the world.

  • Starlight

    Self-described “expert” Saker operates out of one of the major zionist bases- Florida, USA- and always demands the suffering of victims of Putin’s inaction are BANNED from his sites while constantly whining about his own “suffering” (like if he gets a cold, stubs his toe, or has to suffer a little ‘bad’ weather). And he is aways begging for money for a site that costs PENNIES to run.

    Saker is part of the zionist team that surrounds Putin and ‘advises’ him to do nothing that would hurt jewish interests. Like manu crypto-jews/crypto-zionists, Saker tries to hide this by allowing MINDLESS ‘anti-semitism’ in his comments, but NEVER constructive arguments against zionism.

    Saker’s biggest effort is in the direction that Russia must NEVER operate as the Empire Power it always has been. This from a crypto-zionist NON-RUSSIAN who has NEVER had a personal stake in anything Russian. And people listen to this dis-info agent!

    Saker both promotes and GUIDES Southfront into directions pleasing to Israel. Hence no mention of Ahed Tamami on Southfront- the young Palestinain now in indefinite imprsionment in a jewish torture centre. Even the British government has expressed outrage at the treatment of Ahed (mealy mouthed, I know)- but Saker guided Southfront has remained SILENT on the issue of jewish crimes against Humanity against non-jews this winter.

    When the jews bomb Syria- they do something Saker claims Russia CAN NOT (bomb a ‘threating’ nation in ‘self-defense’)- that is project power to places that represent dificulties. So apparently Israel is powerful enough to do a thing Russia can NEVER be powerful enough to do, according to Saker- how curious.

    But this is how crypto-zionists (which is a term that refers to ACTUAL zionists who pose as non-zionists in order to sow falsehoods that assist the zionist cause) operate.

    We (as everyone here knows) tick away the seconds to the Iran War- and by now most of you surely understand the West’s intention to use (small) nukes. Putin can stop this war, but ONLY by using Russia’s full Empire Nation might. Saker knows this which is why he is part of a movement desperately trying to STOP Putin doing the right thing in time. The people of the West do not want WW3. If they think the actions of their leaders threaten such, they’ll remove their support from such leaders, and the Deep State project FAILS. This is why Saker spreads DEFEATISM. The idea that only the West and Israel can act ‘hard’- whereas Russia must always act soft, pathetic, and weak- like the perfect bully victim.

    Saker LIED and told his readers sanctions against Russia would be over in no time. Then he LIED and told his readers the sanctions didn’t matter anyway. He LIED and told his readers things would get better in East Ukraine without an invasion. His JUNK analysis is proven again and again to be junk on the emerging facts. Like all those ‘Sakers’ who told that Mr Hitler was an irrelevant over-blown pseudo-threat in the long run up to WW2.

    Saker only cares what is good for Israel and Saudi Arabia. Just because he CLAIMS otherwise doesn’t make it untrue. And it is sad that Southfront ever got tangled up with this agent.

    • Savio

      Saker is perfectly logical. Unlike your junk comment.

    • RichardD

      Please war game out how you would handle Russian intervention differently general Rambo.

    • Jeff Lewin

      Not so much.

      Russia’s ground forces are numerous and strong, but it is still being pressured by the larger joint-NATO air forces on its western border.

      To increase its deployment in Syria, especially of aviation, Russia would probably have to reduce its defenses on its western border.

      Meanwhile, Turkey’s large and modern air force, which fields 2.5 x as many tactical aircraft as Britain’s RAF, remains a wild card.

      The Zionists, and the US-led Coalition currently have numerical advantages in air power, and other Coalition states, the USN, and the USAF, still have more aircraft that could be deployed to the Middle East.

      The Russians’ options are not as ideal as you argue in this case.

      • dontlietome

        What has remained unspoken of are the weapons which are regarded as “secret”. At this point in time, the Russians has perfected a technology which has the ability to literally, on the push of a button “Switch off” American power and control systems, as was demonstrated on the USS Donald Cook, and one of the Nuke powered aircraft carriers ( its name evades me ) which attempted to sail into the Baltic. The carrier was later towed out of the Baltic by US Tug boats and remained at anchor off the British coast.In this case, the Russians have shown their hand, but no one knows in the west how this technology works. I am sure they are sitting on a veritable treasure trove of such weapons, and ever since the Americans have had a shot fired across their bow, they are proceeding in a much more circumspect manner. I think most of the posters on this site, understand by now, that America is not controlled by the president or its congress, but instead by the CIA and its criminal ZIONIST cabal. An internal war is going on, so we are led to believe, but who will be the winner, and whether sanity and some for of democracy will be reinstated is anybodies guess. In the words of the old TV presenter……… “Stay tuned”.

  • FlorianGeyer

    Another sane and reasoned article from The Saker, thank you.

    Too many in the world, particularly the developed Western World demand instant gratification and in a complex and real world there are always unintended consequences for fools that rush that into a fight.

  • Andreas

    In this case with Israel, unfortunately your logic makes sense. However, can a nation come to the defense of another against a bully nation without themselves being imperialistic?

    • John Whitehot

      imperialistic nations try to influence others and rob them of their riches.

      Imperialistic nations are poor in strategic resources; that’s what neo-colonialism is all about – printing money and use financial power to steal resources from the countries who control them. If financial and political soft power isn’t enough, then military pressure is applied to several degrees.

      The usage of terrorism and entire armies formed of terrorist (actually they are more precisely mercenaries), which are trained and armed with the aim of preparing the way for their controlling entities – this translates in two words: “Regime change”.

      The non-imperialistic nations instead, should try to surpass their differences and act as an alliance of countries who all have the same common ground: an enemy that want to exploit them and is ready and willing to cause all kinds of suffering and destruction in order to enforce this exploitation.

      This enemy is used in “divide and conquer” tactics and has shown that it hasn’t changed its ways.

      Keep in mind though, that the “imperialists” have never been in such a bad shape historically.
      It is very possible that we will witness the ruining fall of these “empires” during the course of our lives, and the formation of a real “new world order”, one based on cooperation among peoples and nations, and not on the barbaric, genocidal methods “civilized countries” and “advanced democracies” have imposed to the rest of the world.

  • Thank you very much for the excellent analysis.
    Let me add one thing, direct confrontation between Russia and the US on the Arctic, if I may.

    With the latest two claims by Tillerson on additional sanctions against North Korea in Canada and unlimited US military presence and Assad-must-go on Syria at Stanford University, it seems to me that he finally made up his mind to pursue the most important neocon agenda for the US dominance up to the 22 century. It is how they can make sure the 17 trillion dollar worth natural resources of the Arctic.
    As you may know it, the US has been behind Russia in their capability of both exploitation and military strength.
    Two days ago the Washington Times reported; While military control of the frozen tundras at the top of the world has become a political and national security imperative to Washington and Moscow for years, Coast Guard Commandant Paul Zukunft quietly confirmed last week that the service’s newest fleet of heavy icebreaker ships will be designed for the first time to carry heavy weapons.

    The basic strategy of the US is to make military and political resources of Russia disperse every where possible such as Central Asia by using insurgents, North Asia by provocation against North Korea, East Europe by building up the tension with NATO. Russian’s rather modest approach to Middle East as suggested by this analysis may have something to do with this Arctic narrative.

    • Solomon Krupacek

      As you may know it, the US has been behind Russia in their capability of both exploitation and military strength.

      BS

      without american technology russia is not able to run oil fields in siberia. after sanctions gazprom and other firms closed lot of oil rigs.

      • Jeff Lewin

        Maybe for now, but I doubt that this will obstruct them for long. Even if further progress would require collaboration with, and investment from, their Chinese partners.

      • Where did you get this info. from?

        1 )February 06, 2017
        Data from regional authorities show that oil extraction in the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, the Nenets Autonomous Okrug and the Komi Republic in 2016 increased to a total of 57,6 million tons, a growth of more than 17 percent from 2015.

        The increase was the biggest in the Yamal Nenets AO where production amounted to 26,87 million tons, up 29,9 percent from the previous year, Neftegaz reports. A key reason for the growth is the opening of new regional fields, among them the Yarudeyskoye and Novoportovskoye fields. In addition comes the East Messoyakha field where production was launched in September 2016.

        The latter holds more than 470 million tons of extractable oil and is connected with the new 485 km long Zapolyarye-Purne pipeline.

        2)2017 December 8. /TASS/. Russian independent gas producer Novatek will start deliveries of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the Yamal LNG plant under major contracts on April 1, 2018, Leonid Mikhelson, head of the company, told reporters.

        “We said earlier that 96% (of LNG volume gas produced at the plant) has been contracted. The supplies will begin next April. Everything which is produced before that are early deliveries that will bring additional revenues, “he said.

        The first loading of the tanker with liquefied gas from the Yamal LNG plant took place on December 8. According to Michelson, the first batch of LNG will be sent to the countries of the Asia-Pacific region, most likely to China. Novatek Gas & Power (a trading subsidiary of Novatek) acts as the buyer. Early deliveries of LNG will be made as spot transactions and deliveries under long-term contracts will begin in the second quarter of 2018.

        • dontlietome

          Hideo, Solomon is the resident evil on this blog and a veritable moron to boot. Please ignore his idiotic rantings. I am, however impressed with the data you provided. I am involved in that business and your article is correct on its content.

    • Jeff Lewin

      Your points are well taken.

      I wonder why the Kremlin has not responded to Chinese President Xi’s proposal for a military alliance last summer.

    • Jeff Lewin

      There are practically no roads, or railways, in most of the northeast quarter of Russia, which, otherwise, has few ground forces deployed north of Primorsky Krai.

      On the upside, the difficulties with transportation and extreme weather pose a major obstacle for any hypothetical invader, and the barrenness of the region excludes any need for a “scorched earth” strategy.

      It would take time for Russian ground forces to react to an incursion in its northeast quarter, but, given sufficient time, they could respond quite forcefully.

    • Jeff Lewin

      The Russian military does have other fronts to cover.

      With the disappointment of the ongoing bloodshed in the Middle East, the Russians’ minimalist strategy in theret sometimes seems less than ideal.

      I wonder whether the Kremlin will ever act upon China’s proposal for a military alliance. Russia’s military aviation would have greater freedom to respond to trouble spots around the globe if the Chinese could be persuaded to deploy either some aircraft, or some combined ground and air forces, to western Russia. The only hitches are that ground- and drone-based targeting ops and signals personnel with Russian ground forces would need time to learn to coordinate & train with the Chinese, and new joint-communications ciphers would have to be developed and implemented.

    • Vitex

      Maybe that’s why the Russians have invested so heavily in mobile / airborne everything.

  • RichardD

  • Astar Roth

    Well, many keep their mouth shouted for the sake of monkey with hand granade, Syria retaliate to Israel every time they use force.
    Just think about embarrassment when an old SAM took down F-35. For the smart one that was enough.

  • Khalid peer

    this is a brilliant article and its so level headed and pragmatic…. i need to share this article far and wide as far too many people are very emotive about these issues, which stems from their internal biases pushing their own agendas.

  • Willing Conscience (The Truths

    This has to be the most irrelevant article I’ve ever read about the Syrian conflict. The whole future of the world will be decided by who wins this conflict, and yet this article makes not one mention of the real reasons this conflict has happened. More to the point this article actually helps hide the truth and confuses the whole issue, making it even harder to find out what’s really going on. Here’s my quick and simple view on this conflict.
    The Saudi’s and some other Arab countries, with the backing of the US and Israel, wanted to build a gas and oil pipeline direct to Europe which would cut into the lucrative market the Russians already dominated. Russia’s economy is highly dependant on this revenue base and it also gains lots of political influence into the bargain. This would be a total catastrophe for the Russian economy which is already engaged in a trade war with the Saudi’s, who use over production and price suppression to keep oil and gas prices as low as they are ATM. If the Saudi’s got this pipeline up and running, Russia would be destined for a rapid decline in revenue and influence, and slowly become irrelevant to world politics, leaving China as the only rival power to US and western interests. The only thing the Russians have to counter this death dealing blow, is the option of allowing a friendly country like Iran to build a pipeline to Europe instead, which is the only option left for them. Iran and Russia would collude in the gas market to Europe, maximising profits for both countries, and could even mount their own trade war against the Saudi’s. Russia would also offset some of it’s gas revenue loss with new arms sales to Iran and Syria, as well as Turkey and Qatar who have now reluctantly joined the Russian Iranian project. Russia would also retain influence on both European and world politics, and still be strong enough to be a real partner to China in any disputes either of these countries have with the US.
    China has committed itself to assisting Russia in this endeavour by actively helping Syria with everything but military intervention. China sends heaps of aide to government held areas of Syria, it helps trains personnel both in and out of the military, it also invests heavily in both Syrian and Iranian infrastructure and institutions, and leaves no doubt about who’s side it’s on. The south China sea issue is also a part of this world power play, China wouldn’t have had the grief it has there now, if it hadn’t backed Russia, there would have been hardly a peep out of the media.
    If WW3 starts most of us will have no idea why it did because of articles like this trash. Nothing is ever as complicated as the media make it out to be, and it’s usually a lot simpler than we could ever imagine.
    3 rival world powers, 2 of which can’t stand up to the 3rd alone and one of them is about to go down, we don’t really have to be genius’s to work out what’s really going on.

    • RichardD

      The pipeline issue is old news that The Saker and many others have covered many times. Your ignoring the evil Jew issue doesn’t demonstrate a lot of insight on your part.

  • Jens Holm

    No need for so many lines about it. Russia dont like Hesbollah and Iran and support by Damaskus of them as well.

    Therefore they help Russians in those matters.

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  • Jeff Lewin

    “In fact, both Israel and CENTCOM simply have such a numbers advantage over the relatively small Russian contingent that they both could over-run the Russian defenses, even if they would take losses in the process…”

    This is not the most ideal scenario, but real world strategists must deal with real world facts, rather than triumphalist illusions.

    • Jeff Lewin

      If the Kremlin chose to step beyond their counterterrorism mandate, it could deploy more aircraft to this theater, but where the road to such escalation end?

      While the Zios must be content with fielding nearly 4x as many tactical aircraft as Britain’s RAF, several Coalition allies, the USN, and USAF also have more aircraft that they could deploy to this theater.

      • Jeff Lewin

        The Chinese might still be considered a wild card in this conflicit. If the Kremlin ever chooses to accept Chinese President Xi’s proposed military alliance, Chinese aviation could plausibly compensate for a larger Russian deployment of aircraft in the Middle East by means of a Chinese deployment of aircraft, and, hypothetically, even ground forces, to Russia’s western front with NATO.

        Alternately, Russian ground- and drone-based targeting ops & signals personnel in western Russia could learn to coordinate with Chinese aviation, perhaps (although such cooperation could not be achieved in a week, or even a month).

  • CyricRenner

    A good article, however, I wonder about the wisdom of Russian forces drawing down and perhaps seeing all there work undone? The US is not leaving and is in fact salvaging what is left of ISIS and other terror groups. The SDF seems to be a headache that has control of vast swathes of land in Syria in the north including oil fields, dams and other important economic areas.

    • RedBaron9495

      Even 30,000 trained SDF/YPG would be too light in numbers to control such a large area….this latest U.S scheme will also backfire.

      • dontlietome

        A good friend who has very good contacts out there, told me that they ( the Kurds) have known for a long time that the Americans and Israelis will drop them in the shit……………….its’s an expected development. As soon as the Russians cut off the Yanks ability to really achieve anything of substance out there, their “raison d’etre” will disappear…….. and so will both they and the Yids. So the Kurds will find them selves back at square one. Only Russian intervention will certify some sort positive outcome for them. They have not enjoyed being a patsy for the ZIOCONS, but that is they way it is.

  • gustavo

    WOW, as a justification, you have put Russia more o less as a third world country that is terrible frighten of Israel, that doesn’t know technology, and ignores war tactics !! Sorry, but I do not accept these justification. In fact, the picture you have put is that Russia is a jews dominated country. Everybody knows that it is enough to destroy DIMONA nuclear reactor for Israel to disappear. Israel does not represent at all any treat to Russia, even with the 200 nuclear bombs stored in part in DIMONA.

    • John Whitehot

      somebody has to tell those nazis that the zionists don’t sit in Washington DC and Wall Street, and that Nuland didn’t do a coup to make Ukraine become a wedge between Russia and EU.

      Think about all those neofascists realizing they are working for jews.

      • dontlietome

        I don’t think they care John, because they are getting VERY well paid. What comes to mind are all those european mercs who feature en-masse in the privately funded AZOV battalion of Igor Valeriyovych Kolomoysky, the Ukrainian-Cypriot-Israeli business oligarch of Jewish descent and the
        former Governor of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. I think that speaks volumes about his mindset too. Its also worth noting, that these neofascists are from a political standpoint at least, not in any way related to those of 50 years ago.

        • John Whitehot

          thanks for this explanation

      • gustavo

        Out of context.

      • RedBaron9495

        The majority of U.S NeoCons are Jews.(New York set)
        The NeoLiberals are also mainly Jews too (the Chicago set)

  • ZP
  • outer_rl

    Excellent article, well judged analysis, clear explanations.

  • Rodolfo Plata López

    Este sensato análisis, es prueba de que la victoria contra la política agresiva de Israel y los sionistas en Medio Oriente, no se va aganar por la fuerza de las armas, pero se puede ganar atacando y aniquilando en todos los países a las colonias judías, empresas y sus organizaciones que tiene sometidos a los paises donde radican, comenzando por atacar en EEUU, al Congreso sionista y sus colaboradores incondicionales como, AICPAC, el lobby y las organizaciones judías y la prensa judía, que han saqueado la riqueza norteamericana y sometido al pueblo norteamericano; abrogado la soberanía de EEUU, y convertido en un colonia de Israel

    • alejoeisabel

      La oligarquía Judía es la mejor oligarquía organizada del mundo. Tiene su propia ideología, basado en el nacionalismo que se llama Sionismo. Existen en estado de simbiosis con la oligarquías de EEUU e Europa. El sistema financiero de capitalistas o el capitalismo financiero es su vehículo del dominio mundial. Si las bolsas y la banca sean nacionalizados y fuera de las manos privadas, el mundo cambiaría.

  • The Latin Mass

    Putin serves the Russian rabbis and the Chabad-Lubavitch. There is not any doubt on this. But Russia would choose some more worthy leader, if the Orthodox Russians knew this though Russia selling out completely to the zionists. The jewish opponent in the next election, has come out and said the American media is run by jews. So Russia is a quite free country. CNN’s Rick Sanchez said this and got fired from (((CNN))). Putin’s service to Assad is useful in getting the Muslim world to like zionist Putin, who called for moving their Israhell embassy to West Jerusalem (al Quds). But the Trump regime beat Putin to be the chief villain. Russia will never attack Israhell, under Putin. Nor will Putin dictate terms to Hell Aviv. Putin listens to the advice of the rabbis. Which is why it is so important that Assad, Erdogan, Iraq and Iran be independent of each other, but work against the zionists. You don’t want a monolith in the free world, it would be too easy for Putin to be apart of a staged war with the Zionist Slave West and call for aid from the free nations in the Mideast and Putin do what the rabbis tell him to do and fall on the sword in defeat, with the free nations being occupied by zionists as part of the jewish (((peace treaty))), created by Putin and the West before the fake war.

  • Neo Onh

    Russia just has to (help to) liberate Novorossiya -sooner or later…..

  • Holy Gark

    Israel will go when those who created it (the oligarchs behind the British Empire) see it fit.

    Cecil’s nephew, Balfour, didn’t speak of their buffer state in the Middle East (Israel) as an “experiment” for any reason.

    Neither did Kissinger spoke of it as “limited nuclear warfare” in the 70s. Aligned with RAND’s Corporation’s Dr. Strangelove military doctrine.

    Israelis are the biggest dupes in the history of mankind and only serve as pawns to further the hegemony and wealth of those oligarchs.

    • Solomon Krupacek

      exactly!

      and this will happen in this century

  • TRUTHORELSE

    Please friends YOU MUST REALIZE THAT FRANK BEHRENS IS A TROLL (MOST LIKELY PAID BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT) WHO IS HERE TO HIJACK A LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION, WHICH IS TYPICAL OF ISRAELI TROLLS. FOR THIS REASON HE SHOULD BE IGNORED, NOT ARGUED WITH. WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DEBATE THE REAL ISSUE HERE, THAT OF ISRAELI LAWLESNES AND HUBRIS, NOT ENTER INTO HEATED ARGUMENTS WHICH LEAD NOWHERE. IGNORE HIM OR BLOCK HIM AND LET HIM TALK TO HIMSELF!

  • Cherry Tree

    Russia doesn’t have to engage in any military action with Israel, instead it can give Syria S-300 if not the modern S-400 which would halt these incursions. China, India and now Turkey have them so why not sell them to Syria?

  • Cherry Tree

    Another puzzling thing about Russia is why haven’t they given/sold Syria more SU-24 bombers, SU-27 or the SU-29/30?

    • Vitex

      Syria doesn’t actually need “air superiority”. Their use of low-budget aircraft shows what can be done with old aircraft. Why buy expensive aircraft from Russia that Israel could shoot down? They have plenty of expendable aircraft that can do the job already. I think the Grach would be a good aircraft for the Syrians :)

  • Alberto Campos

    As the French say, «et toc»

  • Tom

    You are dead right in every word.

  • Nigel Maund

    Great commentary by the Saker! Sums up the predicament and most sensible solution to the problem of the USA and Israel perfectly!

  • jellyrajah

    Putin needs to take out Dimona and flatten Tel Aviv.

  • Rodney Loder

    We all see everything from our own perspective, I think Russians should break all links with israel because Russia was supporting israel initially and israel betrayed the Soviet Union that gave israel it’s start, and eventually with the help of the putrid Pope John Paul using my intellectual capacity by torturing me and my children and selling that capability and action to the World as an eventual capitulation on my part to the demand of my giving israel a Divine Sanction, the two of them (iseael and the putrid Pope) colluded with the Orthodox Christians in Russia and supported the drunkard Yeltsin to defect from the Soviet Union.

    Christians are nothing but a pox on the house of Religion, jews were always only the stupid auxiliaries of creepy Christians.

    Yours sincerely Isa son of Maryium.

  • Side Show

    Israel’s air strike on Syria is message for US coalition, particularly Turkey to invade Syria.

  • nekroluma

    israel is a rothschild war-theft expansion investment speculation offering filled with bussed in russian jew club member psychopaths claiming they are hebrews, who were from ethiopia and black as coal.

  • greatndit

    Too long and i dont understand.
    just re post with simple word and to the point

  • Guy New

    great
    argument …but ,,,someone has to finally stand up to Israel and my
    evil USA leaders or else they will be coming for the Russians next
    time….. time to call their bluff.. before they wipe out the whole
    world and the remainder become their slaves.. i rather me and my
    children die in one final war to end all wars than for them to become
    permanent slaves to the Zionist .. no i do not want WWIII but i also do
    not want zionist Israel to keep their evil ways which are destroying the
    peoples of the USA anyway with evil perversions and slavery