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President Of Azerbaijan Claims 80% Of Armenian Military Potential Was Destroyed During War

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President Of Azerbaijan Claims 80% Of Armenian Military Potential Was Destroyed During War

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More than 80% of the Armenian military potential was destroyed during the war in the Nagorno-Karabakh region, President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev said at the session of the Council of Heads of State of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) held in the format of a video conference.

“The results of the war are known: Azerbaijan won a victory over the occupying country, which for many years held our significant internationally recognized territories. As a result of the war, according to our data, over 80% of the potential of the Armenian Armed Forces was destroyed,” the President said.

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Vox Populi

There is no question that the Armenian military is crippled. Their Soviet era aging corrupt generals did not disperse the troops or even called for general mobilization. Conducting Polish style cavalry charges against Panzers ( Tanks vs drones now) destroyed 80% of their armor. Armenians simply did not fight a modern war and suffered immensely from Pashinyan’s incompetence and treachery. Quite sad really.

Rhodium 10

Pashinyan has done..what his western partners wanted him to do…because NATO goals is also to take control of Turkey, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbajan…it is to say part of Caucasus to Caspian sea…..Turkey is a NATO member while Azerbajan is a EU gas/petrol supplier…have you seen SU 25 provided air support in Shushi? = NO….have you seen SU 30 SM flying over Lachin road and Stepanakert at the begining of the war to shot down TB2 drones? = NO…its all said!

Vox Populi

Are you saying that Russia is weak and impotent too? Armenia was a nominal ally of Russia which has thousands of troops on its soil, but did nothing.

HiaNd

You are total and absolute i d i o t no doubt about that..
There was no ambiguity in his words and it was absolutely clear that he puts blame on Pashynian.
He also tries to explain why was West taking side with Turk-Azeri’s, opposed to Armenian national interests and ordering their PUPPET Pashynian to stand down.

Random Dude

Like Russians in Balkan wars.

viktor ziv

CSTO agreement is activated only if CSTO member state territory is invaded. Aliyev is talking nonsense hence the only way Armenia assisted NK is sending cannon fodder willing to join the fight for NK. 80% of military potential is maybe referred to spirit to fight under treacherous The Basement government but more likely NK army potential is 80% destroyed.

HiaNd

Do not waste words on that dork.He was badmouthing Russia for very long time on any possible occasion.

occupybacon

Why send the 4 SU-30′ over the official territory of Azerbaijan, when 12 Turkish F-16’s were waiting for them?

Rhodium 10

I dont say 4 SU 30Sm because just one of them would have shot down drones…if Turkish want to scramble his F-16 and fly over NK… Turkish pilots risk to be shot down and be captured as Pow and even worst be executed by NK lumberjacks….

occupybacon

The military career is risky.

HiaNd

And how exactly would those “12 Turkish F-16’s” arrive over Azerbaijan you big mouthed POS ?!
Flying “12 Turkish F-16’s” over Armenia would be direct challenging of Russia and declaration of war to Armenia you ignorant dork!

occupybacon

Thay were already there before the war started. The info is on this site with satelite photos.

HiaNd

In that case
any attack on Armenian SU-30SM (which are better jets than Turk F-16 block-50) by Turkey would be declaration of war not only to Armenia but to Russia also.
Armenians had moral right to defend their ethnic minority in N. Karabakh (but they didn’t do it). Every normal country would step in and defend their ethnic minority in neighboring country (even militarily if necessary) if put in grave danger by some army.

occupybacon

The war is over. Armenia lost together with all its Russian rusty equipment.

HiaNd

Armenia has CORRUPTED WESTERN PUPPETS for leaders, just like Ukraine!
And both countries have OLD RUSTY Soviet weapons mostly, because their elites do not protect their countries but robbing their countries blind and leave their nations DEFENSELESS in times of need.
Western puppets are thieves and enemies of their own people.
The war is never “over”, as long as the enemy exist.
It is just a brake, till another war starts.

occupybacon

Yes, both have rusty soviet toys but Azerbaijan won the war with new NATO technology. All countries are focusing on drones from now.

HiaNd

Wrong.
Well even though Barkatary is “NEW”
It is hardly tech achievement, since it is most probably older Israeli design, sold to Turkey as blueprint and know how.
That drone is built mostly from commercial (non military production) parts,
bought “off the shelf” and put together in Turkey.
While Israeli designed drones are achievement since 100% domestic design and production parts, while considered to be one of the best in their class on top of everything.
But IsraHell is not NATO.

occupybacon

What matters is the winning arms are not Russian and Azerbaijan has more precise arms than Russia who can’t find terrorists in a deseet.

HiaNd

To find terrorists in a desert either takes lots of boots on the ground (which Assad never did for reasons known to him) or plenty of drones.
Second option is very expensive out of reach for Syrian budget.
Even Russia has limited number of drones mostly reserved to protect their own military bases.
Again it is not Russia’s job to completely liberate Syria.
Russia has been bombing for 5 years already terrorist’s and Russian actions are now only limited on strictly helping SAA to finish terrorists up…
For Russia war against terrorism is official finished. And taking care about LEFTOVERS is up to Syria completely, while Russian air force will ONLY assist those actions.

occupybacon

Well at least you’re honest and not pretending Russia has unlimited powers like most cheerleaders here.

HiaNd

Honestly, since when was Russia hiding their military budget?!
They always complain lately, that they don’t have enough money, to buy everything they have planned ….
Russia is only 6th on military spending chart, yet Russia is still considered world power together with US and China .
And that is pure success considering how little they spend on their army.
Logically Russia has limited budget in Syria also.

occupybacon

Every military cry for more money. Russia has the nukes. But yeah, Russia has many inovations that can’t be mass produced because of lack of money while US spends too much on some not so great toys. But in Syria the difference of security berween the Euphrates shores is visible, there are rare attacks on the kurdish side.

HiaNd

They have ordered only 100 T-14 tanks for next few years = minimum (to be able to start production and keep it busy for next 2 years before some foreign country ordered some and help production of tanks to survive…. Because LESS than 100 doesn’t pay to factory enough profit to build;since building production line is VERY expensive and they would be forced to price tanks much higher for less tanks (for smaller numbers of tanks ordered).
They have ordered only 12+ 60 SU-57 for next several years altogether ..
Again MINIMUM to keep production lines on low production mode survive next 3 years…Some models like Terminator 3, or T-15 IFV will not even be produced for the moment.
They have canceled for the moment building new destroyer “Leader” class and have pushed further in the future (even though they need big ships to replace Soviet destroyers and cruiser) .Same goes for air-carrier(s).
Etc, etc, there are plenty of similar examples..

occupybacon

Probably they should ficus on drones and loitering ammunition as this is trend now.

HiaNd

True.
They will produce them soon enough.. Since they have plenty of experience from Syria.
I am sure that now they are creating (or demanding ) designs created according to that Syrian experience..
They make drones custom made for specific needs. So it takes time to build and test them.
They will build for sure with “heavy” stealth drones (once this “Okotninik” prototype is ready for production). Other stealth drone prototype is “Scat” produced by MIG.
I do not know yet if they will build that one also.
For smaller or less stealthy drones they relay mostly on Russian private firms.
Except for Kalashnikov’s “loitering ammunition” named “Kamikaze” and another model of which I have forgot the name.
Russia is already producing several types of medium to small drones but are not advanced enough…they maybe need their upgrades or even newer models

occupybacon

For niw I don’t see other utility of that Okotnik other than flying in front of a plane and communicating back when a radar detects it. Other drones made by Russia have very modest ranges, like 50-200km’s, I don’t know if Russia is among top 10 countries in drone field right now.

HiaNd

Russia doesn’t have accent on stealth on SU-57 and they did that to save money and make cheaper jets. SU-57 costs only $ 42 million while some models of F-35 cost 3 times more!
SU-57 has frontal stealth more advanced (for approach) so having “loyal wingman” (term for drone controlled and guided by pilot from SU-57 directly)
To have few VERY stealthy drones is necessity if SU-57 are to attack VERY protected high priority targets (where they run risque to lose SU-57 jets and pilots).
It is perfectly logical to use ATTACK stealth drones to target those air defenses of the “protected high priority targets” instead of risking the more expensive SU-57 and live of the pilotes

occupybacon

“SU-57 has frontal stealth more advanced (for approach) so” – than F-35?

HiaNd

No . F-35 is stealthier than SU-57 (and both are even less stealthy than F-22)
SU-57 has frontal stealth more advanced (comparing to the rest of the airplane)
That’s why stealthy “Okhotnik” is needed to go in front of SU-57 with the missiles ready to launch.
Because only advantage US jets have is their stealth (surprise factor).
SU -57 has “the least stealth is from the back” (just like F-35 has the least stealth is from the back also).
F-35 has relative good stealth and very good “computer”, but the rest is not so good.
As agility and ALL flying characteristics as fighter jet, F-35 is total crap.
As airplane only F-35 is catastrophe but sensors and “computer” incorporated in jet have their undeniable quality of course.

occupybacon

How the SU-57 stealth work, radiaton absorbing coating? do you have any link? I didn’t find anything saying SU-57 is currently stealthy in any way.

HiaNd

Because you read only pro-western sources.
Go to official Sukhoi site and read how they describe SU-57 and if you don’t belive them than why would you trust Wikipedia or some article that claims SU-57 to be stealthy.

Still her is ONE article on subject (plenty of others if you search for them)
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-is-making-its-su-57-fighter-much-stealthier

occupybacon

The article says what is planned to. I used the word currently because I know there are plans to make it stealthier.

HiaNd

What is the difference?!?
You wanted some article that talks about fact that SU-57 is stealthy isn’t it?!?
So how gome that article doesn’t mention that if talks about improvements to make SU-57 even more “stealthier”
That means i is ALREADY STEALTHY.
Here WESTERN article from may 2020, where they call SU-57 a:
“Russia’s new Su-57 stealth fighter ”
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a32587169/su-57-unmanned/

Here another from “National Intrest” typical US and NATO propaganda news site;
Russia Is Testing Their Own ‘Loyal Wingman’ for the Su-57 Stealth Fighter
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/russia-testing-their-own-%E2%80%98loyal-wingman%E2%80%99-su-57-stealth-fighter-174566
Both India & China Likely To Acquire Russian Stealth Fighter Jets – Su-57: Chinese State Media
https://eurasiantimes.com/both-india-china-likely-to-acquire-russian-stealth-fighter-jets-su-57-chinese-state-media/

Wikipedia; SU-57 “Stealth multirole fighter”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-57

WTF bacon since when you can’r read? When hyndreds of aricles have
called SU-57 STEALTH.
Go on official Sukhoi site to verify because WESTERN SOURCES are NOT RELIABLE !
They read about SU-57 from Russian sources than they write their propaganda the way they prefer. But they do not have access to secrets of SU-57 yet. Since it is new jet.
Do not bother me on that subject any more.

If you can’t understand basic English than I can’t help you there…

HiaNd

“Okhotnik” as much stealthier and as such it is not only for reconnaissance but to perform as ATTACK fighter jet .
They must attacking air defenses (before SU -57 arrives above the target)
What 50-200km’s ???!!
See video for one of the drones that can loiter 24 hours in the air.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGxTfYdytrs

occupybacon

I used the range of 50-200kms according to the latest articles on this site about new Russian drones, not earlier than one month. I will research more tomorrow.

occupybacon

There are some articles treating this subject, that Turkish drones used in N-K were using the F-16 radars which were flying in Azerbaijan, to aquire targets, then the central command of the drones was an airplane flying in Turkey, so there was a comlex system coordinating all drones in the same time. Also that can let me speculate that Turkish drones from recent Idlib battle were using the F-16 radars that were flying near Syrian border. What do you think, is Okotnik relying on SU radar or using its own?

HiaNd

That might and might not be true at all. Turk drone has already radar and for “finding” targets it is much better to use reconnaissance drones (some Israeli drone?) High flying not armed drones that are specialized to stay long time in the air and have powerful cameras to record everything that is underneath them while they loiter high above patrolled territory.
Once position of targets are geo-located, all that is left is to send combat drones to destroy the targets.

occupybacon

Yeah, that’s more plausible since Azerbaijan paused the operation due to bad weather.

viktor ziv

Rusty soviet equipment kicks ass brand new superduper US and NATO equipment in Yemen. When it comes to NK, it was 150000 people against over 10 mil Azeries. Armenia was not involved, period, if it was, fight would be still on.

occupybacon

Yemen or Lybia are yet too big to be covered by drones. Still drones can easily win local battles like N-K or Idlib.

HiaNd

Drones can do jack shit against aviation and decent air defenses…
They are good only for attacking some African countries.

occupybacon

They stopped SAA advance in Idlib and pushed them back, despite Russian aerospatial forces covering the small region. Just earlier this year.

HiaNd

That was their “premier” (first time) nobody was using attack drones till then . And they have created surprise with those attacks and unprepared SAA air defenses…
So air defenses have made some mistakes and were not alert but looking towards Turkey for their F-16 only.
That was an error in covering air space (S-300 and S-400 are too expensive to be used on drones and smaller “medium” and “short” range were not positioned well which has opened space for drones to attack.)
Also drones can fly much lower (above the trees) than fighter jets because 10 times SLOWER so easier to avoid obstacles…(To avoid radars they fly very low=”under the radar” because radars were “looking” upwards, for fighter jets that are flying higher)
Once they positioned medium range “BUK” and shorter range “Tor” it was game over for drones.

occupybacon

Buk and Tor are still too expensive yet, that’s why Russia is working on even smaller AA missiles. They send cheap drones first to exhause the AA missiles, then the real ones come second.

HiaNd

Yes. They make smaller rockets which usually put by 4 in each tube so that they can defend themselves against “SWARM” attack.
But there are also hand held electronic “anti drone guns”(against smaller drones), microwave weapons, different types of anty electronic warfare, lasers “Peresvet” and 57 mm canons with 120 rounds per minute fire rate.
They can shoot down “swarm of drones” with no problem.
All those weapons above are used against drones (and they are only part of the weapons that can be used against drones).

occupybacon

We’ll see. They are defending the Hmemem base but they would need to be tested in a more dynamic enviroment like let’s say Idlib.

HiaNd

Everything Russia has of that type (air defenses) was always tested in Syria (no reason that they don’t test other new stuff in Syria also)

occupybacon

They don’t seem to test too much lately.

HiaNd

I must make precision on my comment that drones are ” jack shit…..” is not exactly true since stealth drones are exception to the rule (depending how much “stealthy” they are…

Random Dude

tell us more about those stealth jets

John Brown

Armenia did not have the TOR fully deployed and little Russian help. Drones only work on weak corrupt third world regimes like aircraft carriers. When the USSA sent drones to Iran, Iran gobbled the up and said thank you, enough said

HiaNd

What ” little Russian help”?!
Russia was not involved in Azerbaijani civil war and for reason. They had nothing to do with that war. N Karabakh was NEVER recognized as independent state by Armenia or anybody else. So in that case, it was 100% civil war from legal point of view.

cechas vodobenikov

an exaggeration but not important. Armenian incompetence corruption caused this defeat, not the prowess of Azeri military

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