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Poroshenko Advices To Change Official Name Of Georgia To Sakartvelo

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On June 24th, former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko accused Russia of attempting to sabotage Georgia’s economy by cancelling flights and crippling its tourism industry.

He did so in a video on his Facebook page, with a lengthy post underneath.

He further called on Ukrainians to go on holiday in Georgia and that the country should be renamed to Sakartvelo.

“Our political force is fully in agreement with the people of Georgia, which opposes Russian imperialism and fights with occupation. Now Moscow wants to weaken Georgia economically again, blocking air traffic and damaging the tourism in Georgia.

We, the Ukrainians, should not leave our Georgian brothers in trouble. Of course, I urge Ukrainians to rest in Ukraine, but for those who plan to rest abroad or in the occupied Crimea, I recommend refocusing on Georgia. I appeal to the Government of Ukraine and the Ministry of Infrastructure with a proposal to provide a discount for aeronautical and airport charges for flights between Ukraine and Georgia-Ukraine in this period. Airlines could lower ticket prices.

Georgia has gone to change one key letter in the name of Kiev – because we are Kiyv, not Kiev [Київ not Кієв]. In my opinion, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine should begin negotiations on changing the official name of Georgia to Sakartvelo.

It is very important to help those who, like us, struggle with Russian aggression for many years. Supporting Sakartvelo means supporting Ukraine!”

Sakartvelo literally means “the country of the cartwheel.”

Порошенко закликав українців підтримати Грузію

უკრაინელების გულები საქართველოსთვის ძგერსНаша політична сила повністю солідарна з народом Грузії, який чинить спротив російському імперіалізму і бореться з окупацією. Зараз Москва хоче знову економічно послабити Грузію, блокуючи повітряне сполучення і завдає удару по туристичній Грузії.Ми, українці, не повинні залишити у біді своїх грузинських братів. Звичайно я закликаю українців відпочивати в Україні, але тим, хто планує відпочивати за кордоном або в окупованому Криму, рекомендую переорієнтуватися на Грузію. Звертаюся до Уряду України та Міністерства інфраструктури з пропозицією надати у цей період знижку на аеронавігаційні та аеропортові збори для рейсів сполученням Україна-Грузія-Україна. Авіакомпанії могли б знизити ціни на квитки. Грузія пішла на те, щоб змінити одну ключову літеру у назві Києва – бо ми Київ, а не Кієв. На мою думку, МЗС України має розпочати переговори про зміну офіційної назви Грузії на Сакартвело. Дуже важливо допомогти тим, хто так само, як і ми, багато років бореться з російською агресією. Підтримати Сакартвело – означає підтримати Україну!

Posted by Петро Порошенко on Monday, June 24, 2019

It should be reminded that on June 21st, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree under which tour operators and travel agents are recommended to refrain from selling to Russian citizens tourist packages that include visits on the territory of Georgia. In addition, from July 8th onwards all flights from and to Georgia are temporarily grounded.

This decision was made in response to heavily Russophobic protests, fueled by both the current Georgian government and the opposition, with also the protesters protesting against their country’s political establishment, but also “Russia’s occupation.”

Poroshneko is a ‘famous expert on dealing with Russian aggression’. So, his statements should be taken seriously, of course.

Rather, it should be noted that Ukraine has, at this point, become a tool used by foreign actors to try and fuel various crises in the post-Soviet states.

Ukrainian flags and anti-Russian hysteria can be seen in Georgia, the same could and still can be seen in Armenia. Ukraine has become an instrument to “present” the “malign influence” of Russia in the post-Soviet states, all the while the “Russian aggression” narrative is being used to carry out unconstitutional and questionable actions in various countries in the region.

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  • stupid is as stupid does

    Never sling dog poo into the neighbours garden, or try to intimidate your neighbour, that is much stronger and much richer than you.
    Specially not for somebody elses interets…
    It will not end up well for your own well being….
    Only idi0ts can’t understand that simple principals.

    Whatever Georgians and others wnat to call themselves, without Russia all those Russophobe ex Soviet countries will become dreary dead ends just like Ukraine has become.
    So with or without Ukraine “tourists” the future of Gerogia can only become dark and depressive one just like it is in Ukraine.

    • occupybacon

      Ukraine economy growth is above Russia’s growth and they don’t even export oil and gas

      • FlorianGeyer

        The greatest driver on the Ukranian economy has been the IMF billions of dollars hijacked by the , um, dare I say it, Jewish Ukranian oligarchs.
        I dare some of the cash has ‘trickled down ‘ ( the legs of prostitutes and children) to the long suffering citizens of the Zio-Nazi regime supported by the USA.

        • occupybacon

          Any source regarding the IMF funds hijacked? I’m genuinely curious since from what I know the IMF funds, unlike national funds, are almost impossible to be hijacked and the “Zio-Nazi” argument makes me think you’re just jealous.

          • FlorianGeyer

            “the biggest Ukrainian bank, PrivatBank, had just been nationalised after its two owners used depositors’ money to build a business empire and distributed the money among Jewish organisations in Europe. Why did it have to happen?”

            Enjoy the list of fraud and theft in the US protectorate of Ukraine, Occupy Bacon :)

            The lists of such fraud is a long one for Ukraine since the Coup for US Democratic Values.

            https://www.globalresearch.ca/1-8-billion-imf-ukraine-bailout-money-deposited-in-ukraine-oligarch-kolomoyskyis-cyprus-offshor

            http://johnhelmer.net/imf-officials-implicated-in-theft-concealment-of-ukraine-loan-corruption-us-justice-department-investigating/

            https://www.rt.com/op-ed/170960-economy-imf-ukraine-oligarchs/

            https://galacticconnection.com/who-is-stealing-imf-loans-to-ukraine/

            http://www.newropeans-magazine.org/en/2017/01/02/the-nationalisation-of-ukraine-privatbank-how-two-oligarchs-bankrupted-a-nation/

          • occupybacon

            What kind of bs blogs are those (that claim in other articles that USS Cook was blinded by a Russian fighter jet in Black Sea, and the crew needed psychological assistance and refused to take part in future operations….blabla – without being backed by a fucking source) ?

            Here’s a real souce for ya: https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/oligarchs-weaponized-cyprus-eranch-of-ukraines-largest-bank-to-send-5-billion-abroad

            “In May 2014, the IMF paid Ukraine the first installment of a $17 billion fiscal life raft intended to stabilize the nation’s economy in the aftermath of Russia’s annexation of Crimea. Ukraine’s National Bank loaned about $220 million of this money to PrivatBank”

            It’s fucking 220 millions, not billions. And IMF caught them and supported the Ukraine gov to nationalize PrivatBank.

            Now that I debunked your conspiracy theory about billions stollen, how do you explain the ridiculous small growth of the Russian economy in 2018 and 2019, with all the natural resources?

          • FlorianGeyer

            “The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft – unarmed – repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.

            After that, the 4th generation destroyer immediately set sail towards a port in Romania.

            Since that incident, which the Atlanticist media have carefully covered up despite the widespread reactions sparked among defense industry experts, no US ship has ever approached Russian territorial waters again.

            According to some specialized media, 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service.”

            The above description is accurate. You can read more, find some relevant videos and pics at Voltairenet.org.”

            https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/what-frightened-the-uss-donald-cook-so-much-in-the-black-sea/

          • occupybacon

            Ok, I opened your link and I was stunned https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/what-frightened-the-uss-donald-cook-so-much-in-the-black-sea/

            How can someone lack self respect, to blindly swallow an article that has a bad Photoshop picture like this?
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae2ba72c0c72df9746ddffc1836b2a26e0c3b4796ad9cd05e1e65e6d3266854b.jpg

            Also blindly believe a quote like the one under the image:

            “The State Department acknowledged that the crew of the destroyer USS Donald Cook has been gravely demoralized[…]”

            This would be the first info I would had immediately verify, after someone insulted my intelligence with that childish Photoshop image.

            But what should I expect from someone that writes to me:

            “According to some specialized media, 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service.”

            What is “some specialized media”, didn’t even the word “some” ring a bell in your tiny brain?

            I’m outraged by your lack of self respect, I’m not upset that you think I could be that stupid at all, I’m upset that you want to be that stupid to let people to fuck your brains, you are literary the proper target for scammers that post selfies with fake money and ask you to join their future millionaires club.

            I feel sorry for you and your kind.

          • FlorianGeyer

            Tis best you keep on ‘being sorry ‘ then, as your semi literate and semi numerate US nation is marching with flags waving and bugles trumpeting to economic disaster.

            The nations abroad that have paid for the American Dream with their valuable resources are now ruined and in chaos. All the low hanging asset tree fruit has largely been plundered by the US, and to some extent the Western European US vassals as well.

            The resources and wealth that the US desperately needs to plunder in order to kick ‘the can of reality’ further down the road of economic disaster , are now increasingly unattainable to the US.

            Those nations with assets left to steal are now able to exact great harm on the US and her masters in Israel.

            Goodbye.

          • occupybacon

            I’m not from US, I’m a Nigerian prince that wants to share with you few millions but I need you to send me $350 through Western Union first, ohh you’re from Russia, I think I should send you few bucks for food. Do you have any photoshop on how Russia beats America? I want to laugh today

          • AM Hants

            1 hour 24 minutes into the video, guess you will also deny the USS Donald Cook was greeted by ‘Bastion’? Just before they got taken out by the Russian wicker basket.

            EXCLUSIVE: The famous Russian documentary on Crimea with Putin FINALLY with SUBS… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mw4Y9jRwCQ

          • occupybacon

            I hope you do realize I won’t watch two hours and half without you showing me where did the shitty Russian blogs pulled out “This was indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.. “

          • AM Hants

            Which is why I suggested you look at the section 1 hour and 24 minutes into the documentary.

            So cute of Bastion, grinning in the direction of the USS Donald Cook, the first Destroyer, in the Black Sea, to navigate a ‘figure of eight’, owing to the warm welcome, radiating from ‘Bastion’.

          • FlorianGeyer

            No onder Google are keen to suppress reality ,AM.

            Truth can be glossed over but never changed, and like the Sun’s Ray’s, Truth always brings light, even after the darkest of nights.

          • AM Hants

            Just wish something would turn up, to replace Google, that has no links to Silicon Valley and the CIA.

          • FlorianGeyer

            I watched your superb video about Crimea today.

            When I consider the shameful actions of the British Government in its conflicts of choice during the the 21st century, I despair.

            None of them have covered the UK in any glory.

          • AM Hants

            Brilliant video, and I think it was Russia Insight, who pulled it all together.

            It was only never wanting to be in the EU, that I ended up following events, back in 2013, when the UK and other European nations were gearing up to the European elections in May. Commenting on The Telegraph (now banned), when the comments were commenting on events in Ukraine. Well, what an eye opener and a 5 year learning curve. Funnily enough, I used to vote Conservative, but, now refuse to vote, owing to Westminster and their love of genocide and ethnic cleansing, all in our name. Not just the UK Government, but, we the old narcistic, sociopaths, of UK politics, do evil quite well. Just cannot believe they fully support the Nazi Party, over in Ukraine and are more than happy to support them. Yet, first to scream when one dresses up in a SS uniform. Unless, down in the dungeons themselves.

            Loved the video, when you saw ‘Bastion’ grinning down on the USS Donald Cook.

            For slow time, if you liked that video, you might like this series. If you only watch the first ten minutes of the first one, it will leave you shellshocked. That was before I got to the part, where the 90s Government, over in Russia, had privatised the nuclear submarine industry. I so love submarines, owing to ‘20,000 Leagues Under the Sea’, but, the thought that you hand over your nuclear deterrent to the private sector, well, found that quite disturbing. No doubt, owing to growing up during the ‘Cold War’.

            The Unknown Putin. Part 1 Vladimir Putin Russia’s leader… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCU4C6ajgBI

            The Unknown Putin Part 2… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRSVNPQKDkM&t=1055s

            Do believe there are 2 might be two more episodes in the series.

          • FlorianGeyer

            I wondered if there were any more.

            The way Western hysteria is going though, I fully expect Google etc to remove all such videos from their search results.

            Censorship is as old as the hills and the more the clowns who rule over us feel fear, the more ridiculous their propaganda has always become :)

            I can smell their fear in all of the BBC current affairs and ‘news’ programmes.

          • AM Hants

            Just decided to watch it again, but, via the TV this time, rather than a computer. As you said it is brilliant and forgot how much I had forgotten. There again, I think originally I fast forward the first section.

            The people of Crimea, should be so proud of themselves. Cracked up laughing, when the train came into the station, but, the thugs heard there was a welcoming committee and pressed the emergency cable, so they could run away. Just on the section, where the Crimea self defence team, arrived at the airport, with nothing more than shovel handles. Yet, the Ukraine military jets, flew back home and then the dodgy SBU legged it when the Russians turned up. Getting quite excited watching the documentary, and quite emotional in parts. Especially, when they focused on the horror of the Korson Massacre, together with how the Ukrainians made the Tatars live.

            So glad, I put it on again. Seriously needs watching, by all, who are facing regime change scripts, from the usual Soros funded, NGO cowards.

          • FlorianGeyer

            The wretched BBC should show these videos, and without any of their sneering Zio Marxist presenters.

            Britain is now on the wrong side of history and this will badly impact Britain for a century at least I think.

            The Friends of Israel MP’s groups should be proscribed for supporting the apartheid Squatter State.

          • AM Hants

            They should ban lobbyists and activists, in any Government. I wonder how much the individual MPs make out of their sponsorship deals? Why so many are members of Common Purpose, whose agenda is to take us all out. Well, all but, themselves.

            Yesterday, I was laughing at an article, with regards the Brazilian delegation, on their way to the G20 summit. One of the members of the Forces, assigned to go with them, got stuck in Spain, owing to the ‘cocaine’ loaded in his flight bag. Just after laughing at the article, thinking of ‘Japan in Snow’, there was another article of the same substance being found in the ‘Members only’ section of the Palace of Westminster. Politics decided, by the use of a silver spoon, or just freshly rolled ‘note’ from Threadneedle Street and some ‘fine white powder’.

            Don’t even think the ‘Whigs and Tories’, back in the 18th-19th centuries, were as bad as the crowd we now have. Just wish we were like the French and assembled the ‘guillotines’ down at The Tower. The ravens would have a field day. Together with the popcorn sellers.

            Nearly 40kg of cocaine found on plane carrying Brazil president’s team to G20 summit

            Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/27/nearly-40kg-cocaine-found-plane-carrying-brazil-presidents-team-g20-summit-10083227/?ito=cbshare

            POWDER PLOT Cocaine found in Parliament and Whitehall buildings in undercover probe… https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9382666/cocaine-found-parliament-whitehall-buildings/

          • FlorianGeyer

            ” and some ‘fine white powder’.”

            Its almost worth going into the cocaine business around Whitehall. :)
            I could cut my offerings with finely ground Fluorescent Tube Glass dust.

          • AM Hants

            Where is Guy Fawkes when you need him?

            I could not remember the name of the dust Ukraine used in Crimea. So brilliant, for reminding me.

            13 bio-chemical labs, with full diplomatic immunity, set up in Ukraine. Same in Georgia, but, wonder how many they have over there.

            Not forgetting Ukraine, not only took and used the ‘Fluorescent Tube Glass Dust’ on the people in Crimea. They also tried to bring a load of chemical weapons, in ampules in, but, fortunately they were discovered. It reminds me of the Odessa Trade Union Building Massacre, when they set the kids on fire, using accelerants.

            Porton Down, used chemical weapons on the London Underground, with the general public, having no idea what they had been subjected to. Yet, who screams loudest, when using chemical weapons, in Syria, whilst blaming their own actions on others/

            How British government carried out secret biological warfare tests on London Tube passengers in 1960s during Cold War
            New research suggests Britons were exposed to chemical tests
            Biological warfare tests apparently more widespread than once thought
            Professor Ulf Schmidt said there were secret trials on the Tube in 1964
            ‘Mock’ chemical warfare tests on thousands of Britons from 1953 to 1964… https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3154555/How-British-government-carried-secret-biological-warfare-tests-London-Tube-passengers-1960s-Cold-War.html

            ………..

            Ironic, May, will not provide her the courtesy of a title, met President Putin, but, you should have seen how she treated him, and could not look him in the eyes, let alone shake hands.

            I wonder if she met him, after he met up with Trump and if Trump and President Putin, discussed ‘Russia Gate’ and UK involvement, before President Putin granted May an audience?

            Boris – Foreign Minister 2016 – Skripal, wasn’t he working with Christopher Steele on the Clinton funded dossier? The year of the 2016 Presidential Campaign, over in the US and the UK were happily and openly backing Clinton. Not forgetting the Foreign Office runs the UK Intelligence Service.

            Hunt – the Remoaner, so loyal to his City of London sponsors. No doubt, a signed up member of Common Purpose.

            May – The Prime Minister of the UK, when Steele was compiling the Clinton funded dossier.

            No wonder the 3 dumb monkeys, cannot handle meeting President Putin, He most probably knows more of what went on, then the UK intelligence services.

            Look at the G20 guests and look how isolated May looks,. Especially, if you see how all photos of President Putin show him surrounded by the motley crew at the even.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cab4d4f7efa3f6002a4fc5ccc05fed7cd78c84a3fad0b5680c8cca57abcc7b0b.jpg

            May all in red, but, no hoodie – haha.

          • FlorianGeyer

            We are amongst the long standing number of cynics who accepted long ago that the British Elite, and by association the various British governments, will do literally anything to stay in power.

            These people realise the fate they will have when the population explodes in anger from a small spark. Such sparks have ignited all wars and civil wars.

            When will this spark flash in the UK, I have no idea but as sure as day follows night there will be a spark that becomes a conflagration of anger, and the Elite and associated politicians realise that they will feed the flames that will purify the nation once more.

          • AM Hants

            Just seen this, over on Breit Bart.

            Not just the US. Wish they would ban the lobbyists, who generally also belong to some tax funded NGO.

            Swamp Report: 430 Former Members of Congress Are Lobbyists, Government Influencers… Swamp Report: 430 Former Members of Congress Are Lobbyists, Government Influencers

          • FlorianGeyer

            How else would cretins like Maxine Waters be propelled into congress if they were not all bought and paid for political prostitutes?

            https://www.rt.com/viral/377259-limpopo-elections-hacking-prank/

            All of the US political prostitutes in the US and UK are out of their depth in an effing puddle.

          • AM Hants

            So true. At least a whore knows her price. Unlike, politicians.

          • AM Hants

            LOL, when accusing others of using wrong sources, whilst citing Wiki?

            Crimea, well not even going there.
            Did they get a vote in 1954?
            4 July 1776 – US use self determination to gain independence from Great Britain.
            1919 – End of WWI and when the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires were dismantled, they used self determination to decide where to place who.
            Scottish referendum – decided by self determination.
            Kosovo War – NATO justified the invasion, owing to self determination.
            Falklands referendum – decided by self determination.
            BREXIT referendum – self determination/ will of the people

            1944 Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin meet up in Yalta, Crimea, Russia, to discuss de-nazification of Europe, de-militarisation of Germany and setting up the UN, based on self determination.
            1944 Roosevelt died, shortly before he was going to go after Allen Dulles, owing to treason, and was replaced by Truman. Churchill, was replaced by Atlee, owing to losing the election and Stalin, met in Pottsdam, Germany, where they all signed the Treaty, de-nazification of Europe, de-militarisation of Germany and laying the foundations of the UN, with the Charter based on self determination. The argument is explained in the `1970 UN Resolution 26/2625

            With regards Kolomoisky and his Privat Bank, isn’t he the sponsor and mentor of the Comedian, who has revoked the privatisation?

          • occupybacon

            Not wrong sources, just show me the source for this and I give up “There all 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This was indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship… “

          • AM Hants

            Check the US State Department statements. Nuland would be a good place to start, as she was not a happy ‘cookie monster’, when the Russians took out USS Donald Cook with nought more than a wicker basket, laded with non-tactile weapons.

          • occupybacon

            So you had time to read all the bullshit surrounding the bad photoshop images but you didn’t have time to check a simple fact? No wonder Russia is that poor even she has the most resources in the world. I think you only read the titles.

          • AM Hants

            Not a good look, an Aegis destroyer, being taken out by a Russian wicker basket, laden with non-tactile weapons, over in the Black Sea?

            ………………

            Magrav Technology & Recent War Games Over Europe

            ‘…On 10 April 2014, the USS Donald Cook entered the waters of the Black Sea and on 12 April a Russian Su-24 tactical bomber flew over the vessel triggering an incident that, according to several media reports, completely demoralized its crew, SO MCU SO THAT THE PENTAGON ISSUED A PROTEST.

            The USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) is a 4th generation guided missile destroyer whose key weapons are Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of up to 2,500 kilometers, and capable of carrying nuclear explosives. This ship carries 56 Tomahawk missiles in standard mode, and 96 missiles in attack mode.

            The US destroyer is equipped with the most recent Aegis Combat System. It is an integrated naval weapons systems which can link together the missile defense systems of all vessels embedded within the same network, so as to ensure the detection, tracking and destruction of hundreds of targets at the same time. In addition, the USS Donald Cook is equipped with 4 large radars, whose power is comparable to that of several stations. For protection, it carries more than fifty anti-aircraft missiles of various types.

            The Russian Su-24 that buzzed the USS Donald Cook carried neither bombs nor missiles but only a basket mounted under the fuselage, which, according to the Russian newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta, contained a new Russian electronic warfare device.

            As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up – or about to be – with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control.

            The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left it literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft – unarmed – repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.

            After the incident, the foreign media reported that the USS Donald Cook was rushed into a port in Romania. There all 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This was indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.. ‘

            https://www.trinfinity8.com/magrav-technology-recent-war-games-over-europe/

          • occupybacon

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fc8e24cdd8becc6068472e78cc259fd7b5d9b494c8261f819524b9022ece43cc.jpg

            Wow this picture is even better, incontestable prove.

            Btw do you have a source for this:

            “This was indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.. “

            or if a blogger tells you his shit is caviar you just eat it?

          • AM Hants

            Not forgetting the same ship went back for more, only in the Baltic Sea, getting up too close to Khaliningrad. The aircraft carrier, back in 2015 also tried the same, with exactly the same results. She then had to crawl into the UK, popping into Gosport, Stokes Bay, to report to the UK Naval HQ in Portsmouth, before struggling to make her way to Devonport, for some Naval Medical Healthcare, for old ships. Not the first time the USS Theodore Roosevelt got taken out by Magrav technology. Now that was funny, just s simple exercise, with the French submarine, loaded with Russian technology.

      • stupid is as stupid does

        You don’t even know what are you talking about.
        Ukraine is now the poorest country in Europe on the level of the African countries….
        They have overtaken Moldavian dominance as the most miserable country in Europe .
        And all that thanks to the policy of “Exceptional & indispensible” reterds applied on Ukraine.

        • occupybacon

          No, it didn’t because Moldavia has a pro Russian government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
          And I said growth not actual economy. Tell me again how I don’t know what I’m talking about.

          • stupid is as stupid does

            ..

          • stupid is as stupid does

            Your Wiki crap is not accurate because not updated.
            Nobody serious uses Wiki as source for anything!

          • Jens Holm

            Billions are using Wikipedia as well as other sources then Yours.

          • Concrete Mike

            Really?

            How come when I was im university eons ago, we were told wiki is not an acceptable source?

            Guess what, if an employee gives me wiki research i throw it out.

          • AM Hants

            LOL, try using it in an academic paper.

            Most know, Wiki is not accepted, owing to being so easy to edit, by all and sundry.

          • AM Hants

            LOL, delusional so comes to mind.

            Remember the gold, that went to the US, just after the Maidan? They left led bricks, painted gold, hoping nobody would notice.

            The only money Ukraine makes, is courtesy the loans, the begging bowls keep picking up. Funny, how they come into the country, but, go out, shortly after, into some oligarchs, off shore account. Whilst the people freeze and starve.

        • AM Hants

          What nation turns down a $15 billion, interest free loan and cheap gas, to go for $5 billion, worth of cookies and a So ros, regime change script?

      • AM Hants

        OMG, are you trying to do comedy, but, without the humour?

        The failed nation known as Ukraine. How much have they lost since 2014, when they nibbled on the ‘cookie monsters’ GM , toxin loaded dough?

        • occupybacon

          Let me guess, you don’t believe in ‘GDP growth’, since the Russian one is comparable with Putin’s dick.

          • AM Hants

            Wow, I did not realise President Putin was so well endowed. Is there nothing the Gods have not blessed Vladimir Putin with?

            You forget GDP Debt, which Russia has a minimal amount of.

            Russia 20% GDP Debt – meaning, for every $100 Russia earns, $20 goes to pay the bills and the rest is for their enjoyment.

            US 114% GDP Debt – meaning for every $100 the US earns, she still has to find another $14, to pay the bills.

            Like looking at your salary, whilst forgetting you need to pay the bills.

            Russia To Overtake Germany As World’s Fifth-Largest Economy… https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-16/russia-overtake-germany-worlds-fifth-largest-economy

          • occupybacon

            LOLOLOLOL I just finished reading the article from Russia Today that was quoted by Zerohedge.

            “Russian economy to overtake Germany’s by 2020”

            We are in 2019. Germany is on 4. Russia is on 12. It has to surpass 8 countries in an year. If I had a kid I would have told him this joke then tell him Russians actually believe that and I don’t know if he would believe me that you believe that. OMG I’m crack laughing up

            Tell me more about how the 114% works for Americans, I want more laugh.

          • AM Hants

            I am English born and bred and our Chancellor goes to bed, dreaming of having an economy like Russia. Instead, we have to service around 88% GDP Debt, and funnily enough, have to borrow a Su30 from Russia, to prop up our RAF, owing to cutbacks.

            Russian fighter jet is used in poster to promote Britain’s iconic RAF Red Arrows in ’embarrassing’ government blunder
            The Department for International Trade used picture of a Russian fighter jet to promote the RAF Red Arrows
            They showed silhouette of a much larger Sukhoi Su-30/33 fighter in a tweet instead of a BAE Hawk T1 jet
            It is part of a campaign to drum up interest in Red Arrows tour of US which is largest overseas trip in 25 years … https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7182927/Russian-fighter-jet-used-poster-promote-Britains-iconic-Red-Arrows.html

          • occupybacon

            Ok let’s clarify this You are from UK, that has a GDP 2,809.910 and your Chancellor dreams to have 1,649.210 like Russia?

          • AM Hants

            Darling, you must come from one of those nations, that always carries a begging bowl, and assumes others will pick up their bills.

            Have you got no comprehension of GDP Debt?

            You know, the bills that need paying.

            Russia – has 20% GDP Debt, and can cover all her debts, with ease, owing to her gold and currency reserves. Without factoring in control of their natural resources.

            National debt of United Kingdom: $2,381,799,795,117

            Interest per Year $ 68,879,981,739
            Interest per Second $ 2,186
            Debt per Citizen $ 35,778
            Debt as % of GDP 84.15%
            GDP $ 2,830,270,687,530
            Population 66,573,422
            https://worlddebtclocks.com/unitedkingdom

            National debt of Russia: $2,004,119,080

            Interest per Year $ 12,729,013,936
            Interest per Second $ 404
            Debt per Citizen $ 1,390
            Debt as % of GDP 19.99%
            GDP $ 1,000,334,349,258
            Population 143,964,638
            https://worlddebtclocks.com/russia

            In the UK the average person carries $36,778 of national debt. Compare that to the average Russian, who carries $1.390 of national debt?

          • occupybacon

            Just ask anyone, do they want to live in US, UK or Italy… or Russia because they have no debt? Actually because nobody wants to lend them money ;)

            And btw at the US calculation they add the inflation since they invented the FED, 100 yrs ago which is 30% of that debt, without it looks like any other European country.

          • AM Hants

            The Fred Reserve, which was created by who? Ironic the timing of when it came to power? The globalists at the time, were such busy bees, taking down three Empires and lusting after war and de-populisation of the world, owing to knowing it would be a money spinner. Which proved correct.

            How much longer with those printers, supporting the world’s largest, debtor nation, carry on working, when so many nations are turning away from the $US? How will the US then manage over $21 trillion of national debt, let alone the domestic debt?

            Remember, how focused the financial markets were, with regards the ‘PIG’ nations and their debt problems, over in the EU? Portugal, Italy and Greece, but, after The Maidan, for some reason the debt problems of those three nations, found themselves less of a priority.

            In the UK, we still rely on the infrastructure of the Roman Empire, where our roads are concerned and not forgetting, how reliant we are on the infrastructure of the Victorian times, to keep us plodding on, today. Together with the fact, we simply cannot afford the levels of immigration that we have faced, since Tony Blair, thought it was a good idea to invite all and sundry in, just to erase our traditions and culture. A project that took on in Europe and the ‘5 Eye nations’.

            Where, as the World Cup of 2018 showed, infrastructure in Russia is a top priority, including raising the living standards for the people. Look how the people of Crimea benefitted, overnight, with their decision to return home to Russia. Then compare them with the people of Eastern Ukraine, once known as Russia’s Novorussia, and how they faired.

            Would love a leader and team, such as President Putin and his team, over in the Kremlin, running Westminster. You only have to compare the likes of May, Boris, Hunt or even Corbyn, to understand where I am coming from. A nation, whose Government, just like over in Ukraine and other European nations, not forgetting the US, is so loyal to Soros and his friends.

          • occupybacon

            You would love a leader like Putin, don’t you? Why don’t you move in Russia then?

          • AM Hants

            Seriously, would love to, but, do believe they are choosy, with regards who they let in. Reminds me of Great Britain of old. When things were bright and beautiful and we were still allowed to laugh.

          • occupybacon

            Siberia is huge, everyone fits in it, or you are a big city boy?

          • AM Hants

            Like I said, Russia is choosy who they let in.

            Siberia is also beautiful.

            Siberian vacation: Putin takes short break to spearfish, hike & sunbathe… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVGjKV9TAHs

            Now where would you prefer to stay? Russia or San Franscisco?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92d50d3ec09645a8b5ec4f80d1cc9deb21855a1042a1d2b4de16fc6ddce49089.jpg

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9f75afc4b614b0e693d8b8875de9141ace4bc76528437de5395f63f6258f87fe.jpg

            You can always judge a nation by how their Government and Local Authorities deal with the trash.

          • occupybacon

            Why would you want to go there, get some krokodil ?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmV5B-_rIoI

          • AM Hants

            Siberia – or the slums of US and not just San Francisco.

            Funnily enough, visited the US plenty of times and have absolutely no desire now, whatsover. Besides the hassle of the US Visa and surveillance, there is nothing that appeals. With Russia, there is so much to see, do and experience. Including clean streets and Russian hospitality, as shown during the very successful World Cup.

            Looking forward to the ‘Fire and Ice’ tours, taking in Siberia, Sochi and Crimea.

          • AM Hants

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb35ad25e16cbd39613361b5bfce7f47f8ae764dcd6184981fa706b8072efd77.jpg

            What was happening back in 1913?

            The Second Anglo-Boer War, 1899–1902

            The First World War, 1914–1918

            The Russian Civil War, 1917–1922

            The Irish War of Independence, 1919–1921

            The Irish Civil War, 1922–1923

            1901: First Nobel Prizes awarded.
            1902: Second Boer War ends. Philippine–American War ends. Cuba gains independence from the United States. Unification of Saudi Arabia begins. Venezuela Crisis, in which Britain, Germany and Italy sustain a naval blockade on Venezuela in order to enforce collection of outstanding financial claims.
            1903: Namaqua Genocide, the first genocide of the 20th century, begins in German South-West Africa. In Russia the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks form from the breakup of the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. Independence of Panama, the Hay–Bunau-Varilla Treaty is signed by the United States and Panama. The Ottoman Empire and the German Empire sign an agreement to build the Constantinople-Baghdad Railway.
            1904: Entente cordiale signed between Britain and France. A Japanese surprise attack on Port Arthur (Lushun) starts the Russo-Japanese War. Trans-Siberian railway is completed. Construction of the Panama Canal begins. Roger Casement publishes his account of Belgian atrocities in the Congo Free State. End of British expedition to Tibet.
            1905: Russo-Japanese War ends. Revolution of 1905 in Russia. Persian Constitutional Revolution begins. Trans-Siberian Railway opened. Schlieffen Plan proposed. The British Indian Province of Bengal, was partitioned by the Viceroy of India, Lord Curzon. First Moroccan Crisis. The Norwegian Parliament declares the union with Sweden dissolved, and Norway achieves full independence.
            1906: Stolypin reform in Russia creates a new class of affluent kulaks. The Muslim League is formed by Nawab Salimullah Khan of Dacca. The US began the Second Occupation of Cuba.
            1907: Herero and Namaqua Genocide ends. A peasants’ revolt in Romania kills roughly 11,000. The Indian National Congress splits into two factions at its Surat session, presided by Rash Behari Bose. Persian Constitutional Revolution ends with the establishment of a parliament. Japan–Korea Treaty of 1907. The Anglo-Russian Entente bring a pause in The Great Game in Central Asia.
            1908: First commercial radio transmissions. The Ford Motor Company invents the Model T. First commercial Middle-Eastern oilfield established, at Masjed Soleyman in southwest Persia. The Tunguska impact devastates thousands of square kilometres of Siberia. Young Turk Revolution in the Ottoman Empire. Independence of Bulgaria. Austro-Hungary annexes Bosnia-Herzegovina, triggering the Bosnian Crisis.
            1908 Messina earthquake kills over 70,000 people. Start of publication of Robert Baden-Powell’s Scouting for Boys in London.
            1909: United States troops leave Cuba. Bosnian crisis ends with Austro-Hungary’s annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
            1909. Ottoman countercoup fails in the Ottoman Empire. A revolution forces Mohammad Ali Shah, Persian Shah of the Qajar dynasty to abdicate in favor of his son Ahmad Shah Qajar. Japan and China sign the Jiandao/Gando Treaty
            1910: Beginning of the Mexican Revolution. George V becomes King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions and Emperor of India. Union of South Africa created. 5 October 1910 revolution in Portugal and proclamation of the First Portuguese Republic. Imperial Japan annexes Korea. Montenegro is proclaimed an independent kingdom. Albanian Revolt of 1910.
            1911: Xinhai Revolution in China overthrows the Qing Dynasty. New Delhi becomes the capital of British India. Ernest Rutherford identifies the atomic nucleus. The Italo-Turkish war leads to the capture of Libya by Italy.
            1912: End of the Chinese Empire; Republic of China established. The African National Congress is founded. Morocco becomes a protectorate of France. Sinking of the RMS Titanic. First Balkan War begins. Arizona becomes the last state to be admitted to the continental Union. United States occupation of Nicaragua begins. The Kuomintang, the Chinese nationalist party, is founded.
            1913: Niels Bohr formulates the first cohesive model of the atomic nucleus, and in the process paves the way to quantum mechanics. In the 1913 Ottoman coup d’état, Ismail Enver comes to power. Yuan Shikai uses military force to dissolve China’s parliament and rules as a dictator. Treaty of London. Second Balkan War and Treaty of Bucharest. The Federal Reserve System is created.
            1914: Gavrilo Princip assassinates Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo, triggering the start of World War I. First Battle of the Marne. The Race to the Sea leaves Germany and the Allies entrenched along the Western Front. The United Kingdom establishes the Sultanate of Egypt as a protectorate. Panama Canal opens. The RMS Lusitania is sunk. The United States occupation of Haiti begins. Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire. First use of poison gas at the Battle of Neuve Chapelle and Second Battle of Ypres. The Treaty of London brings Italy into the war.
            1916: Easter Rising in Ireland. Brusilov Offensive. Warlord Era begins in China. The Gallipoli Campaign fails. First use of tanks at the Battle of Flers-Courcelette. Battle of the Somme. The Pact is agreed upon by both the Congress and the Muslim League at the Indian city of Lucknow. Battle of Verdun. The Arab Revolt begins
            1917: Russian Revolution ends the Russian Empire; beginning of Russian Civil War. Battle of Passchendaele. USA joins the Allies for the last 17 months of World War I. Battle of Caporetto. Independence of Poland and Finland recognised. The Third Battle of Gaza ends in British victory. Revolution in Russia. Ukrainian–Soviet War begins.
            The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population.
            1918: Spring Offensive. Battle of Amiens. The Hundred Days Offensive sends Germany into defeat. Armistice of 11 November 1918 ends World War I. German Revolution begins. Assassination of Tsar Nicholas II and his family. Poland, Ukraine and Belarus are among a number of states to declare independence from Russia. Finnish Civil War. Mehmed VI becomes last Sultan of the Ottoman Empire and last Caliph. Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire begins. The Kingdom of Iceland and The State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs are established. The British occupy Palestine. Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen is founded. Azerbaijan Democratic Republic is declared. Armenian–Azerbaijani War begins. Polish–Ukrainian War begins.
            1919: Treaty of Versailles redraws European borders. German Revolution ends with the collapse of the German Empire and the establishment of the Weimar Republic. Victory for Estonia in the Estonian War of Independence. League of Nations founded in Paris. Polish-Soviet War begins. The Italian National Fascist Party is established by Benito Mussolini. Egyptian Revolution of 1919. Turkish War of Independence begins. End of Polish–Ukrainian War.
            1920: Mexican Revolution ends. Greece restores its monarchy after a referendum. Mandatory Palestine established. Red Army invasion of Azerbaijan and Armenia ends the Armenian–Azerbaijani War and concludes with their incorporation into the Soviet Union. Mohandas Gandhi launches Non-cooperation movement. Prohibition in the United States enforced.
            1921: Adolf Hitler becomes Führer of the Nazi Party as hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic begins. Russia invades Georgia and incorporates it into the Soviet Union. End of Russian Civil War, Polish-Soviet War and Ukrainian–Soviet War. Coup brings the Pahlavi dynasty to power in Iran.
            1922: Ottoman Sultanate abolished by the Turkish Grand National Assembly; Sultan Mehmed VI is deposed. Irish Free State is established, while the Province of Northern Ireland is created within The United Kingdom. The Irish Civil War begins. The Italian reconquest of Libya begins. The union of Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador is dissolved. Egypt gains independence from the United Kingdom, though British forces still occupy the Suez Canal. March on Rome brings Benito Mussolini to power in Italy. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), the world’s first officially Communist state, is formed. The Washington Naval Treaty is signed. Mohandas Gandhi calls off Non-cooperation movement.
            1923: Hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic ends with the introduction of the Rentenmark. Irish Civil War ends. The Beer Hall Putsch, an attempt to overthrow the Weimar Republic, ends in failure and brief imprisonment for Adolf Hitler but brings the Nazi Party to national attention. A military coup ousts and kills Bulgarian Prime Minister Aleksandar Stamboliyski. Turkish War of Independence ends; Kemal Atatürk becomes the first President of the newly established Republic of Turkey; Ankara replaces Istanbul as its capital. The Walt Disney Company is founded.
            1924: Death of Vladimir Lenin triggers power struggle between Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin. The Caliphate is abolished by Kemal Atatürk. The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation founded under J. Edgar Hoover. The August Uprising in Georgia against Soviet rule. U.S. Immigration Act of 1924 significantly restricts immigration from Asia, the Middle East, and Southern Europe.
            1925: Benito Mussolini gains dictatorial powers in Italy. Mein Kampf is published. Locarno Treaties are signed. Serum run to Nome.
            1926: Hirohito becomes Emperor of Japan. Coups in Greece, Poland and Portugal install new dictatorships.
            1927: Joseph Stalin becomes leader of the Soviet Union. Chinese Civil War begins. Australian Parliament convenes in Canberra for the first time. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland officially becomes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Saudi Arabia gains independence.
            1928: Discovery of penicillin by Alexander Fleming. Warlord Era ends in China. Malta becomes a British Dominion. The Kellogg-Briand Pact is signed in Paris. The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement is established. Mickey Mouse is created at the Walt Disney Studio. Hassan al-Banna founds the Muslim Brotherhood.
            1929: Wall Street crash of 1929 and the beginning of the Great Depression. Leon Trotsky is exiled. First people sent to the gulag in the Soviet Union as Stalin assumes effective control. Pope Pius XI signs the Lateran Treaty with Italian leader Benito Mussolini. Vatican City is recognised as a sovereign state. Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre. The first Academy Awards are presented.

            Could go on, but, so much happening during the first 20 years, of the 20th century, so similar to events today and run by the same crowd. We just keep going round in circles. Sames wars, same goals.

          • occupybacon

            Can you please copy paste the entire wikipedia next time? I promise to read every single word

          • AM Hants

            Guess history was not your strong point.

          • occupybacon

            Gosh, no way..you think so ?

    • Jens Holm

      You seemes to forget they were a part of a neo-coloniatisc empire, which collapsed.

      They now are allowed to follow their own ways, whatever they are being fine or not. Hard to regain from the worst parts of communist failures. Of course some of the countries came from the dark as well.

      Russians learned nothing even they as the only ones lost WW1 three times.

      • AM Hants

        Russia was not in WWI, now was it, owing to domestic problems, such as the Bolshevik overthrow? Now who created the Bolsheviks? The same people who created the National Socialist (German) Worker’s Party. The same people who are controlling events today.

        • Jens Holm

          The Tzars lost to Germany as Russia. The Red Army lost to Germany and finally the Red Army lost to Poland.

          Next You will tell me the Maginot look a like fortification from Murmansk to the Black see was as park and the soldiers there was making a nice garden preparing Hitler having a good picnic time.

          The same explanations from people like You. Everybody know communisme as well as fascisme became important because of the konservative and liberal had programmes with a lot of loosers.

          Here You have censured away own faults before that and even added jews in it. Pathetic crap.

          Very familiar to most muslims in ME. People from the outside run them, and then anything by themselves is excused.

          • AM Hants

            The Tsars, who saw off Napoleon and also lent a hand to the US, back in 1863, believe it was? Poland – which was split between Prussia, Russia and the Austro-Hungarian Empires, managed to get back her independence in 1919, but, for how long? Didn’t she lose it again, just 20 years later?

            Have you been studying the ‘Yats Guide to History’?

            LOL, the Red Army lost to Germany?

            Remind me, but, who sent Adolf back to Berlin? Didn’t Hitler get his picnic when he turned up in Stavingrad or was that a BBQ?

            Fascisms???????? Remind me, but, what did the National Socialist (German) Worker’s Party bring to the table? Which brings us back to who created them.

            I certainly have not added the Jewish community, into the melting pot, however, I have stated, that the AshkeNAZIs and Khazarians, remember the Nomadic Turkic Tribes, who adopted Christianity, Judaism, and Islam and learnt Hebrew. Highjacking religions and faiths, as they see fit. They created the Bolshevik Communists, Mao’s Chinese Communists, the fascists in Europe, believe Spain and Italy, had problems with them, during the 40s, and also the National Socialist (German) Worker’s Party.

            The true semetics, not the imposters, from King David’s reign and whose DNA still can be traced back to the semetics, I have never insulted or assumed they were anything like the AshkeNAZI and Khazarian imporsters, now have I?

          • Jens Holm

            Just a lot of crap.

          • AM Hants

            Napoleon crying in the background, owing to not getting his way? Yep, see what you mean, but, Russia moved on. The old bankers, never forgave her though. Together, with Russia, positioning her fleet off the US shores, should Lincolne need them, and to keep them out of problems out home, which prevented Great Britain and France, invading the US.

        • Jens Holm
          • AM Hants

            Not sure what ‘Red Army, Russian Krasnaya Armiya, Soviet army created by the Communist government after the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917’, has to do with my comment.

            Riddle me this, who exactly created the Bolsheviks, Fascists, National Socialist (German) Worker’s Party and also Mao’s Chinese Communist Party?

            Trotsky, together with Lenin, were fully paid up members, of those who manipulated us all, back in the late 19th/early 20th century. Still running the script today.

          • Jens Holm

            It has to do with my comment, that Russia as the only ones lost WW1.

          • AM Hants

            How? When Russia was not even in WWI? Remember, they were caught up with the Bankers creation? You remember, the Bolsheviks overthrowing the Russian Empire, which led to Russia pulling out of WWI, well before the finale. Where self determination/will of the people (just like in Crimea), dictated what happened to the nations in the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empires.

          • Jens Holm

            And Samson and notSamsonov was in East Preussia having happy Hollidays :)

            You are barking mad.

          • AM Hants

            Who overthrew the Russian Empire?
            Who created the Bolsheviks?
            Russia had too many domestic problems, to deal with, hence it pulled out of WWI, very early on.
            How did they sort out the 2 Empires that fell in WWI, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman, just a couple of years after the Russian Empire was overthrown by the Bankers creation, the Bolsheviks?

            Ironically, just like the US on 4 July 1776, it was decided on by self determination/will of the people. Just like Crimea, back in March 2014.

            Self-Determination and New States
            30.1.3: Self-Determination and New States
            The dissolution of the German, Russian, Austro-Hungarian, and Ottoman empires created a number of new countries in eastern Europe and the Middle East, often with large ethnic minorities. This caused numerous conflicts and hostilities…

            KEY POINTS

            The self-determination of states, the principle that peoples, based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity, have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no interference, developed throughout the modern period alongside nationalism.

            During and especially after World War I, there was a renewed commitment to self-determination and a major influx of new states formed out of the collapsed empires of Europe: the German Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire, Russian Empire, and the Ottoman Empire.
            Many new states formed in Eastern Europe, some out of the 1918 Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, where Russia renounced claims on Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania, and some from the various treaties that came out of the Paris Peace Conference of 1919.

            These new countries tended to have substantial ethnic minorities who wished to unite with neighboring states where their ethnicity dominated (for example, example, Czechoslovakia had Germans, Poles, Ruthenians and Ukrainians, Slovaks, and Hungarians), which led to political instability and conflict.

            The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire became a pivotal milestone in the creation of the modern Middle East, the result of which bore witness to the creation of new conflicts and hostilities in the region…

            KEY TERMS
            Nansen passport
            Internationally recognized refugee travel documents, first issued by the League of Nations to stateless refugees.
            self-determination
            A principle of international law that states that peoples, based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity, have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no interference.
            Treaty of Brest-Litovsk
            A peace treaty signed on March 3, 1918, between the new Bolshevik government of Soviet Russia and the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, and the Ottoman Empire), that ended Russia’s participation in World War I. Part of its terms was the renouncement of Russia’s claims on Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, and Lithuania…’

            https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-hccc-worldhistory2/chapter/self-determination-and-new-states/

    • Jens Holm

      I dont see Russia as a succes. Vomen are emmigrating from there. The pension age is up even people die earlier and free speech seemes more and more limited. How comes people for change suddenlyh can be arrested for anything incl. suddenly being drug addicts.

      Hard to be impressed.

      Respect is to let those new countries do as they please and only join them as being good neighbors. Of course they also will look for anything else but communisme and even make their own chaos. Even chaos can be better, if it at least is made by Yourself only, and therefore can be changed as well.

      You seemes to have no idea about how low the income standards are in most Russian rural district. Big hidden unimplyment as well.

      • stupid is as stupid does

        Couldn’t care less to convice you in anything.
        For Western MSM brainwashed people like you, I just can’t be bothered to try to show you the facts….
        They are not hidden.
        They are outhere if you really want to find them… and if not….
        Why would I waste my time with you!?!
        That is too much hard work….
        Think whatever you want.

        • Jens Holm

          You dont have to convince me. I am very well oriented and has been for many years.

          • stupid is as stupid does

            whatever…
            the water is flushed, many will go with the flow…

          • Jens Holm

            I have hopes. People can learn to build boats and learn svimming too.

          • Concrete Mike

            Bwahaha thats a new one!!!

      • AM Hants

        Pension age is up, but, nowhere near the UK pension age, now is it?

        Since 2000, when President Putin first came to power, the average Russian’s life expectancy has increased by 10 years.

        Free speech – well you only have to go to the comments section of Sputnik and Russia Today, to see how there is more free speech in Russian media, than you would find in Western Media.

        Or are you mistaking Russia for Ukraine, which has no problem implementing the Rand Corporation Guidelines for genocide and ethnic cleansing. How do they treat pensioners in Ukraine, especially those in the East? How do they treat journalists, who do not go with the Government view? How many millions have been displaced, since 2014?

        • Jens Holm

          Comparing pension like You try is far out. The Brittish pension is from a higher age, because people live longer and are treated much better by their medical care.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

          And Your propagandalf for long living: https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2017/03/24/live-longer-putin-calls-for-improving-life-expectancy_726283

          True longer life, but still far, far behind

          I dont think I compare Russia and Ukraine as better or worse. I just many times has told Ukraines has to find their own way and be able to replace bad with good, it will take many ups and downs as well as they have to learn from others, which do things bettter or invent new ways of doing.

          Copying the collapsed Russian system into theirs with exact the same kind of more or less criminal oligarcs dont do that.

          As a small country I also has written several times, they never should join Russia again unless they choose themselves. As many others its much better to be associated but by own choise.

          • AM Hants

            Darling, who cites Wiki, without saying they are being lazy?

            I live in the UK and was due to retire at 60, like all British working females. The men, were due to retire at 65. It has now risen to 67.

            Remind me, what age did the Russians retire at and what age is it going to be increased to? Then remind me, are the people of Eastern Ukraine, entitled to pension rights, thanks to the Government in Kiev?

            Once upon a time we lived longer and had decent medical care, but, that was a long time ago. Whilst Russia, finds the average life expectancy is on the increase, by about 10 years, since 2000, you will find the average UK citizen’s life expectancy is decreasing, over the same period. Owing to our seriously inadequate health care. It used to be good, but, now they find it easier if they try not to diagnose, use the Liverpool Pathway and fine GP surgeries, should they admit patients to hospital I do believe it takes a month, to book an appointment with your local doctor.

      • Concrete Mike

        Pension age is up throughout europe and im canada too.
        Nice try!!

  • John McCaul

    Sakartvelo literally means “the country of the cartwheel.”
    The Cartwheel is the symbol of the Romani people; Poroshenko has effectively called all Georgians gypsies.
    Might I suggest naming the country after its most famous sons: country Stalinistan, with a capital at Beriaville.

  • Mahmoud Larfi

    The cycle would be complete when like Saakashvili, Poroshenko will apply for the Georgian citizenship and engage in Georgian politics for the time being of the anti Russian hysteria then gets dumped for fraud and corruption after the euphoria passes and Georgians wake up to find that not only their problems are still there but got even worse than what they were before.

  • Those who were in power want to return in all possible ways. In a word, they want to turn attention. And then suddenly they will be forgotten…

  • AM Hants

    Ironic, is he hoping to get the job as President of Georgia, or just a Governor’s position? Worked for Saakashvili, over in Ukraine. Or does Porkie have to learn to eat his tie first?

  • Putin Apologist

    “Sakartvelo” is the country’s (Georgia’s) constitutionally enshrined name, has been since the 90’s.

  • Rhodium 10

    Ukraine and Georgia both are failed countries!…they cannot offer nothing for trade, business, invest..etc. a competitive economy, products, goods ,tech, resources..etc..then they live to sell its soil countries to NATO while Oligarchs and Mafia gangsters continue to fill their pockets!…in fact these countries are a problem for EU more than for Russia!

  • AM Hants

    Surprised he does not want it called ‘Saakaporkie’ – owing to the way him and Saakashvili keep popping up in each other’s backyards.

    • goingbrokes

      ROFL.

  • Ma_Laoshi

    Guess the Georgians can sleep safely now with all the clout and wealth of Ukraine at their back. Except that Mr. Val’tzman isn’t really in charge there any more.

  • cechas vodobenikov

    although Gruzia is extremely inexpensive, it is doubtful that Ukrainians, w their devalued Hryvna could afford Georgia….both share similar racism and xenophobia that has resulted in the loss of vast territories—S Ossetia and Abkhazia in Georgia, and the Donbass, Crimea in Ukraine