As Hillary Clinton once admitted, the US and NATO are infamous for leaving weapons and trained terrorists behind without any regard for the possible consequences.
Written by Drago Bosnic, independent geopolitical and military analyst
The United States and the “purely defensive” NATO alliance sending advanced weapons to the Kiev regime is hardly breaking news. And these deliveries haven’t only been happening since late February this year, after Ukraine’s actions in Donbass prompted Russia to respond with an all-out counteroffensive. Ukraine has been getting advanced Western weapons for nearly 2 decades now.
The first such occurrence happened after the then president Viktor Yushchenko decided to join the illegal US invasion of Iraq in 2003, a country which, even if it wanted to, could threaten neither Ukraine nor the US or any of its allies (including neighboring Turkey) in any conceivable way. Ukrainian forces at the time were provided with certain advanced US and other Western weapons. Even then, those weapons would often end up on the black market. This was happening even during the deployment of Ukrainian forces in various Iraqi warzones, which American and other NATO forces regularly complained about, often to no avail.
In order to better understand this occurrence, we should briefly go back to the end of the former USSR and the fate of its massive military. Ukraine was a crucial part of the enormous Soviet Military-Industrial Complex. In some respects, it was even rivaling its Russian counterpart. After the USSR collapsed, the then newly independent Ukraine was awash with weapons of virtually all kinds. From assault rifles to strategic bombers and intercontinental ballistic missiles. According to various estimates, Ukraine inherited approximately 30% of the former Soviet military. Due to a severe post-Soviet economic decline, Ukraine simply couldn’t afford to sustain such advanced weapons.
The people in charge of all these weapons soon realized they were sitting on a virtual arms El Dorado. Naturally, selling such advanced weapons legally was almost out of the question. Still, many of the newly minted oligarchs, who also had tremendous amounts of political power and influence, found ways to “circumvent” law, and soon, an enormous outflow of weapons started, helping fuel conflicts across the globe. The US and NATO often supported these weapons shipments, especially in former Yugoslavia, where their clients needed them. This process continued during the early 2000s and it slowed down only due to increasingly depleted, although still large, Ukrainian stockpiles.
Then came the Maidan and the war in Donbass. Ukraine still had a lot of weapons, but these were in desperate need of modernization, as most of the Ukrainian military was in a state of disrepair. The US and NATO provided the necessary funding and training, as well as direct shipments, which also included the so-called “lethal aid”, especially in recent years. Even then, there were questions about how the Ukrainian military would handle those weapons. However, such questions became even more pronounced after the start of Russia’s special military operation. Even some US lawmakers expressed skepticism about the claims US weapons were ending up where they were officially supposed to. Some officials even admitted they had no way of tracking the weapons the US and NATO were sending. These allegations soon proved to be genuine after disturbing reports of weapons manufactured in the United States and other NATO members started appearing on the Darknet, the regular Internet’s “underground”, where illicit activities are the norm.
Various sources reported on weapons being sold to “clients” around the world. The “clients” are anonymous, as well as the providers of such weapons. However, do we need to explain who the providers are if the weapons being sold are “Javelins”, “Stingers”, NLAW or any other type of ATGMs (antitank guided missiles) and MANPADS (man-portable air defense systems) the US and NATO sent to Ukraine in recent months? We’ll let you decide who the providers might be. As for the ease of access, it’s simply mindblowing how relatively easy it is to access these Illicit traders. We most certainly won’t be providing any links, but it’s not difficult to test it yourself. All you need is an “adequate” browser.
Now, the real question is, what could be the consequences of such weapons being acquired by anyone, really? Those people could be criminals, terrorists or psychopaths and the damage they could do is almost impossible to assess and overstate. Imagine a group of bank robbers getting their hands on an NLAW or a “Javelin”? Maybe they’d use it to destroy armored cars carrying money. Maybe they could use it to destroy heavily fortified sections of a bank itself. Maybe large gangs could use such weapons to eliminate competition, putting civilians at risk in the process. Maybe they would attack the family homes of their rivals. A well-placed NLAW shot could easily destroy a large portion of a house.
And yet, all of this pales in comparison to what might happen if any of numerous terrorist groups get their hands on such weapons. A terrorist armed with a “Javelin” or an NLAW could easily get on a roof and fire the missile into a crowd of people during a rush hour. Or target a bus or a train. Worse yet, imagine the horrifying consequences this could have for air travel. In recent decades, safety measures in airports relied on internal security and control of what passengers could get on an airplane. And it works, for the most part. However, how could this work if there is a lone terrorist armed with a 5 km range ATGM, waiting for an airliner to be fully boarded? Even worse, imagine what would happen to a passenger jet if that same terrorist got his hands on a “Stinger” MANPADS? No safety measures in the world could guarantee security to anyone, as such a terrorist could simply ambush the airplane kilometers, even tens of kilometers away from the runway. But, as Hillary Clinton once admitted, the US and NATO are infamous for leaving weapons and trained terrorists behind without any regard for the possible consequences.
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And that last three sentences are textbook Karma. West deserves a good dose of Karma.
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Hillary Clinton is obviously WRONG regarding the situation in Afghanistan. I don’t know wheter she is just IGNORANT or a LIAR, but nevertheless in Afghanistan the war was started by US-sponsored, trained and equipped terrorists BEFORE USSR was ASKED FOR MILITARY HELP by the LEGAL Afghan government. And the request (plea) was based on a military treaty Afghanistan government had previously signed with USSR. So basically – the country was INVADED by US-sponsored terrorists based and trained in Pakistan and it was DEFENDED by the army of USSR.
Moreover – the USSR army was not losing in that war. In fact the Mujahedin were killed so effectively, that CIA started to run out of Islamic fantasized cannon-fodder.
So what really happened, why “soviets” left Afghanistan? Was it such an uh-oh victory of the global Jewish capitalist oligarchy that ruled the global Evil Empire under the trade name of USA (and keeps ruling it)?
The truth is the Gorbachev and his Jewish elites were cheaply bought by US (imagine – global superpower sold by its leadership for several luxury houses and several billions of dollars). Don’t believe me? Just check where Gorbachev lives now.
But still – the army of USSR left Afghanistan based on US promise to not support the terrorist army against LEGAL Afghan government. The promise that was OF COURSE immediately broken (who would see that coming? – certainly not the traitor Gorbachev).
Despite that, despite of cutting the Afghan legal government from military supplies from USSR since 1989 the Afghan government managed to hold for another 3 years, while fighting US-led terrorists, supplied with tons of military equipment and mountains of USD. In fact Afghanistan government fell one year after Gorbachev ted traitors dismantled USSR.
So as you can see Hillary Clinton was sprouting nonsense and lies all these years regarding political situation in Afghanistan and the role of USSR army there. She was however correct that US has left in Afghanistan a mess – huge army of fantasized Islamic terrorists. She did not add they were left to destabilize the central-south part of USSR by spreading there the “holy war”. If you remember Chechen wars and all those terror acts in Dagestan or even in Moscow (save those staged by FSB) – those were the “late children” of US terrorist campaign against legal government of Afghanistan.
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“And yet, all of this pales in comparison to what might happen if any of numerous terrorist groups get their hands on such weapons. ”
Why is this a problem? Say that USA & Britain succeed creating a few nationalist Al Qaeda in Europe. They then use these proxes for a few handy terrorist attacks. And then use the response to these terrorist attacks to do away with the last vestiges of citizen rights and to crush all proponents of the existence of the indigenous peoples of Europe. Clearly only good things can come from spreading weapons on the illegal markets. For the Empire of Lies anyway. Like they used Guantanamo as a recruiting center for liason operatives with their Jihadi proxies.
The Empire of lies has no other principles than the centralization of power and money and control to a handful of US-British oligarch clans. Anything and everything is used, with the same cold cynical mocking ruthlessness.
Manpads shooting down Western civilian aircraft would make the Green fanatics very happy.
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They have a several dimensions aproach at Ukraine, if they lose they would bring hell to Ukraine if Russia occupied Ukraine land, also they are going to hide the weapons and use “stay behind” kind of operations, i can easily find six dimensions of why US UK EU are sending weapons to Ukraine… I mentioned one you dont known, now try to find some others aproachs
I’m surprised no one’s yet commented on Ukraine having supplied rocket motors to North Korea. When was that – 5, 6 years ago?
Oh yeah, found it:
https://www.nytimes.com › 2017 › 08 › 14 › world › asia › north-korea-missiles-ukraine-factory.html North Korea’s Missile Success Is Linked to Ukrainian Plant … Aug 14, 2017north korea’s success in testing an intercontinental ballistic missile that appears able to reach the united states was made possible by black-market purchases of powerful rocket engines probably…
So, Russia did the US a favor then by destroying Motor Sich. Couldn’t Biden at least send a thank you note?
Nightmarish scenario created by Russia invading a sovereign nation and raping all the Ukranians they can find, including one year old children. Several Putin cockroaches are already convicted in Ukranian courts for committing war crimes. I’m guessing that the Putin cockroaches will keep saying that the filthy rapists were just denazifying Ukraine, whatever the fuck that means. Things just got a little out of hand and they started shooting at civilians because murderers will be murderers, right? They do it all the time.
Escaped from your ward orderlies again.
We got an escaped lunatic from Kiev. How was that retreat back to Putingrad?
Hahaha great joke lol!
He probably believes Iraqi’s threw children from incubators still too.
Here’s your Russian baby rapists. The latest ones. I guess the faggots were so desperate to lose their virginity that they mutilated a little baby. What the fuck is wrong with your demented country? https://www.thedailybeast.com/russians-accused-of-raping-and-killing-a-one-year-old-child-says-ukraine-official
…sez Ukie offcial.. ” so it must be the trooph.. BBC would then say.. a 10month old, CNN an 8month old.. Always the trooph, eh? In any case, as your beloved Ukies are winning great, I dunno why you bother to come in here sounding so distraught.
Oooh, a ten month old? A one yr old? Ugh. That’s horrific. Did they throw them up in the air and catch them on pitchforks afterwards, like the Banderites used to do?
Ukrainians killed me and my one year old. Blew us apart while we were out for a walk in the park.
I asked God and God told me that were I still alive, there’d never have been a war now.
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I heard they sold the organs from the kids to Israelis before throwing them out.
Oh, sorry – that was Thaqi in Kosovo and maybe Tyahnybok too. So many wars, hard to keep track.
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Wow, they raped ALL of them? Girls, boys, kids too? How about the dogs and cats?
See, that’s the difference. That Syrian Free Army marries a ten year old first for a few days, then has legal sex with them and divorces them. Very civilized those ISIS and al Qaeda folks.
US and Britain have been killing million of innocent peoples in the Middle East that is genoside.
No, that’s massive collateral damage, can’t be helped, see? No harm, no foul.
Especially Christians, they were the first Christians in the ME, almost extinct now.
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Right conclusion ;first they create terror and a compleet aggression war to a sovereign country destroy complete towns, hospitals, schools thauzends of civilians , down a passenger plane MH and now they complain that maybe! A terrorist group might use it as a weapon. What about manipulating whole and keep yourown people in submission and censure as if that is not an terror act.
You can blame Nato when these weapons sold on the black market end up taking down an airliner
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preferably one spewing out thick spray.
I’m still trying to figure out what NATO can’t be blamed for and I keep ending up with “All roads lead to NATO”.
I’ll keep trying though.
NATO’s just a tool. Basically a brain dead tool, as Macron once noted and Stoltenberg proves every time he opens his mouth.
It’s the neoconniving warmongers pulling its strings that sit at the dead end of all those roads.
US already left behind all kinds of advanced weapons in Afghanistan earlier this year. However, the magnitude of the material sent to Ukraine, with basically no controls once across the border, is staggering. In the hands of all these neo-Nazi renegade militias, the profits from sales to all sorts of players will be tremendous. You can be sure that international narcotics organizations will be loading up, political groups of all sorts, and just psychos and criminals in general. It’s a cluster f***
Rand Paul was shot down over accountability because they all know it’s a huge scam and didn’t want to blow it wide open, taking 40 yr. old weapons and reimbursing the MIC at replacement cost for something costing 50 times the already obsolete original.
Can’t pull the wool over my eyes, Joe.
If anyone has a link I can go to that would be great. I’m looking to get a 155mm howitzer for my 4th of July BBQ. This would really be a spectacular after the fireworks finale! I don’t have any military experience or anything but neither do the Ukrainians they are giving them to.
You must travel to Ukraine then… but try to avoid the Russian missiles coming at you or your 4th of July would be a mess
Be sure to aim it at a theater or something, then blame it on your neighbor.
Send a PM to Z for Zilin,sly and he will arrange all you need. Just tell him you have Russian neighbors and you will get a discount an shipment will be expedited direct from the US to no thieving middle hands get a sniff.
Jews. Making and selling weapons, leaving weapons to cause more death and destruction for profit.
Think of the impact of firing these weapons at a nuclear power complex.
Probably would be as bad as DU and increase the cancer rate in the local population by 2.5 times, like in Serbia and Iraq.
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In a few years there will be a Wikipedia article: “Russian Intervention in the Second American Civil War”.
That’s where a lot of these captured/smuggled Stingers are going to end up.
I’m guessing maybe this time, they won’t intervene to save the Union?
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In South Africa bank robbers are known for using “liberated” limpet mines to blow open cash-in-transit vans. Sometimes it ends up like the last scene of Mad mad mad mad world with bank notes everywhere.
Great comment, South africa keeps suffering from Empires up to today… did they send the Boers brothers back home?
They prefer eating. They just are not very good at feeding themselves.
Who cares? It’s going to be passenger planes eating the occasional stinger or western soldiers across the globe being blown up with Javelines. That’s not a problem, its a consequence these asshole not to learn to accept.
It’s crazy that a bunch of criminals are doing criminals stuff, right?
Who could’ve seen that coming?
Exept TO/Landing phase , the airliners are safe from the manpads , idem with sophisticated ATGM : even on black market those aren’t cheap. Blowing up an (not so) armored car with a $50k rocket for $100K is not the most profitable way of doing things. An AT mine an a few stolen trucks are cheaper. The real danger is with financially backed-up militia , some coup could be facilitated … in Mali or western Sahara for an example. Or some tanks on peacefull and moral justfull retaliations casual patrols could find it’s beloved Javelin match … Do DHL deliver T72M ? C’mon guys , make an effort , some say they even can be airlifted :)
Long time ago shortly after the collapse of the communism I worked on the black market. The stuff I was able to buy and selll would upsett the calmest people on the planet.
Super ficialities rarely convey reality Just illusion. Digging deeper into every darkened dank damp moist orifice always reveals deeper motivations.
Europe will experience conflict the same way Syria has. Karma.
Possibly the only thing Hillary stated that was any benefit to society.
I hope those weapons find their way back to America where they are killing each other right now and Europe where there are so much isis-convert people, anyway it will a lot of fun in the coming years
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Russians have dismantled their tanks to sell parts on black market, same with hand weapons etc. So, surely, they sell to black market also those captured US weapons.
Ukrainian weaponry is outnumbered by 15:1 according to Ukrainians themselves. So it looks to me like the weapons sent in by the Russians will equip way more potential terrorists than western weapons. Besides, every terrorist ever has always used Russian AK-47s. I’ve not seen any using American M4s. That shows who’s really supplying black markets.
As we talk here and discuss such scenarios, There are reasons to believe that the US-UK are developing a new armed group and arming it with the ‘aid’ slotted for Ukraine Just as direct training and arming of “moderate rebels” coincided with indirect creation and arming of ISIS and rebranding of Alqaeda. Just mark this reply.
We have seen those movies. The undercover good guy poses as a arms trader in multi billion dollar arms deals and then they bust the buyer. Oh you can bet your last dollar bill that there is some black mark arms deals going every day in Ukraine. Politicians, NATO and corrupt serving members of the US, Ukraine Natzee’s and European military forces will be selling or facilitating the sale of huge shipments of weapons and making a killing. Crime gangs and governments across the world will be importing very dangerous and powerful weapons from Ukraine. Like I have always said it’s the arms companies or the MIC are making killer profits from all the government contracts suppling weapons and equipment to US defence forces.
Also these same companies develop sophisticated and complicated equipment that underperforms and needs constant maintenance, upgrades, replacements and or new generation updates therefore requiring billions more of funding from US taxpayers. Profiteering from death and misery.