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Military Situation In Syria’s Afrin On January 25, 2018 (Map Update)

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This map provides a look at the military situation in Syria’s Afrin. The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) and the Turkish-backed Free Syrian Army (TFSA) are pressuring on Kurdish YPG/YPJ forces on mutliple frontlines. The most intense fighting is ongoing in Birsaya Mount.

Military Situation In Syria's Afrin On January 25, 2018 (Map Update)

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Ivanus59

So I heard Turks here saying this operation will be a quick and easy one (since u got that “ultra modern” army and shit), so please do tell me how quick really it will be? How many days precisely? Since “quick” is a relatively subjective term, lets talk in days/months. ;) Now please no numbering of kills since that is subjective too (so far u probably killed millions of ISIS and PKK combined lol), I am only interested in days, they last 24h everywhere and are not open to subjective interpretation; so how long? (:

Solomon Krupacek

months/years. words are 1 thing, reality – long lasting game on enemys soil – 2nd thing.

John Mason

12 days. Anyone else?

You can call me Al
John Mason

Turkish Delight? Enjoy some of the Turkish food but there sweets are irresistible. You ever been to Turkey and took part in Ramadan?

You can call me Al

I have been to Turkey a few times when young – nice.

As for the Rama thing – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju0DdTItE0w

I think you have me very, very wrong.

Terra Cotta Woolpuller

Yup 12 days before it’s called off , something that won’t sit well with the Turks as Germany is calling all sales off to Turkey for a Security council meeting.France is thinking of canceling with Turkey also, seems Turkey will keep killing civilians sorry “ISIS” in airstrikes in Ifrin.

בית של הקול

Good point Ivan. All that Tech. does not mean shit when it gets door to door fighting.. The YPG will cut the Turks to bits when they come close. Turks are hoping YPG will run but there is a full brigade of Peshmerga on its way and they are fully armed.

alejoeisabel

Don’t forget the military intelligence provided by Israel to their Kurdish proxies. There will be alot.

dutchnational

KRG kurds are talking, not acting. Rojava pesh merga are not fighting for Afrin. Are they afraid.

Bob

It is basically rural landscape with mostly smalls towns that can be surrounded – not large urban zones – and Turkey will simply fall back on air force and heavy artillery to dislodge fortified and entrenched YPG resistance.

Frank Behrens

Easy and quick,….like in Al-Bab. :) And there they even had the support from the SAA and SDF .

mhtsaropinigitakis

you mean the fight in al back were the turks lost 20 tanks to 5 ragtag jihadists? and kept fighting for a month till they reached an agreement and the jihadis just gave the town to turks?

Frank Behrens

exactly that one :)

madcobra

turks are worried about syrians and russians killing their jihadist terrorist friends in idlib so they sent some soldiers to the idlib front. syrian army bombed the city that turkish soldiers came to.

turks are working with 100% of jihadist terrorists on earth. turks love jihadist terrorist so fucking much lol.

pantertr

Jihadists are heroes who are fighthing against crusader coalition terrorists

You can call me Al

Tit.

Ronald

Jihadists are off shore mercenaries fighting Syria for the American Empire .

pantertr

Only in your dreams. USA is supporting ypg-pkk since Jihadists don’t listen to them, Jihadists listen Turkia and Qatar.

Ronald

USA supports YPG and also HTS and ISIS , jihadists of the Wahhabi’s, they all think they are “Pure” , but just conned by Qatar , Turkey and Saudi into doing America’s dirty war against Syria .

pantertr

you can’t prove U.S support to HTS, U.S support to ypg-pkk is the main reason of FSA-HTS’s not listening the USA.
Don’t get me wrong, im anti-imperialist.
Turkia and Qatar has no any work with Saudi and USA as apparent on politics.
FSA has nothing to do with wahhabism, you can call it for HTS.

palebluedot

Come on, you know that Obama and Co. knew that anything they sent to their other head-choppers (like al-Zenki), had a GREAT chance of being diverted to al-Nusra. Remember, “we are all Nusra”, when it was actually designated a terrorist faction? Apparently, he even waived a federal statute preventing the arming of designated terrorist factions, just to legally cover his azz.

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2013/09/17/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-so-he-can-aid-syrian-rebels/

On top of that, we just learned that ISIS received a lot of its weapons in the same manner. And the 2012 DIA report basically points out that Obama and Co. viewed ISIS as an asset, at least until it almost took Baghdad in 2014.

Bob

Yup – ISIS in Syria simply, and conveniently, both appropriated and ‘taxed’ masses of incoming US-Saudi supplied weapons and munitions. These arms have been consistently bought in recent years in Bulgaria, and then redirected from the official contract-order Saudi destination point, into Turkey, and thereafter driven into Syria by Turkish contract haulage firms, to foreign intelligence run hub-points for distribution to militant factions. The Bulgarian state armories profits went up 400% in recent years and are now easily the most profitable enterprise in country due to these repeat US-Saudi mass orders.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-us-saudi-arabia-arms-fighters-jihadis-military-capability-enhanced-weapons-syria-terrorism-a8112076.html

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/bulgaria-s-arms-exports-reach-record-high-in-2016-09-12-2017

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/27/weapons-flowing-eastern-europe-middle-east-revealed-arms-trade-syria

Bob

FSA is merely an umbrella term of political convenience. It holds an array of factions – and actually most are militant Sunni fundamentalist in nature and loaded up with personal with history and affiliation to Syrian branch of Muslim Brotherhood that has long opposed the Syrian secular B’aathist state. FSA contains militant fundamentalist factions such as: Nour-al-Zenki, Army of Islam, al-Rahman Legion, Martyrs of Islam Brigade, Martyr Mohamed Qassam Brigade, al Ghouta Matryrs Brigade, Revolutionary Commando Army, Sword of God Brigade, Idlib Martyrs Brigade, Aisha Mothers of Believers Brigade, Islamic Union of Soldiers of Levant, Islamic Freedom Brigade, Army of Glory, Descendants of Saladin Brigade, First Coastal Division etc, etc. These factions were sponsored from outset by US-Saudis-Turkey.

Terra Cotta Woolpuller

They are made up of the foreigners who started coming into Syria in 2009-2010 and since , Turkey only allows colonists into Syria from and trains them for their terrorist proxy army.

pantertr

keep you’re talking about the before of 2014, that’s no longer valid.

Bob

Of course, the immediate past composition of the armed opposition has no bearing on the immediate present composition of the armed opposition. What a brilliant display of logic. Some of these FSA factions were battle decimated, others simply shifted factional allegiances, others rebranded themselves to keep US sponsorship after media exposure, and others were forcibly consumed by stronger factions – it is very dynamic and fluid environment – but point is, the armed opposition including majority of FSA have always been fundamentalist and sectarian in composition.

pantertr

The conflict between FSA and HTS were ideological, FSA are closer to Secularism and HTS are closer to wahhabism.

Bob

No – that is myth. The FSA had military deserters in early factions but these were not secular, nor democratic, or anything else the US State Department told you about them. Many FSA factions were initially loaded with Muslim Brotherhood affiliates. HTS are just re-branded Al Nusra/Al Qeada extremists who are the Qatari proxies in Syria – and loaded up with foreign jihadists and mercenaries – and incidentally, Qatar is also major sponsor and ally of all regional Muslim Brotherhood branches. In reality most HTS and FSA fighters are not very different ideologically, they share similar sectarian goals, and have regularly coordinated offensives and fought in alliances, the real difference is all about their foreign sponsors and their competition for influence in Syria.

pantertr

you’re just a retard who doesn’t want to see the things it doesn’t want.

Bob

Err no – US and Saudi Arabia were major sponsors of jihadist factions in Syria – and still sponsor FSA fundamentalist militant factions in Idlib and Al Tanf today. The US only started heavily sponsoring the YPG-SDF because with the Russian intervention, the US-Saudi sponsored jihadist militants were both being militarily pushed back on ground and simply could no longer achieve the US-Saudi regime change objective, and also publicly exposed for who they really were, as prior US claims of ‘moderates’ fell apart and it was a woeful public revelation to be sponsoring jihadist extremists like Nour-al-Zenki – who cut off a Palestinian boy’s head and posted it to the internet. The US and Saudi’s have long used jihadist proxies to do their dirty work – sponsored jihadists are nothing but myopic pawns in the bigger game – that is all about US-Saudi’s-Israel against Syria-Hezbollah-Iran.

pantertr

SYRIAN CIVIL WAR SIDES:
ypg-pkk = USA, Saudi Arabia, UAE (They began supporting ypg-pkk because FSA-HTS didn’t listen to them)
FSA-HTS= Turkia,Qatar (which you called as Jihadi)
SAA=Russia,Iran

Bob

You completely fail to understand that beginning in 2012 the foreign sponsors of the entire mass of FSA militant factions were the US-Saudi-Turkey. Most of core personnel therein were members or affiliates of Syrian branch of Muslim Brotherhood and had long history of conflict with secular Syrian state – and as such essentially were fundamentalist and jihadist.

Read the ‘Syrian opposition and affiliated ‘rebel’ groups list’ found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_groups_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

pantertr

you’re following Syria from 6 years ago, come to present because you don’t make any sense by past’s history.

Bob

‘…you don’t make any sense by past’s history.’

Oh Good Lord, where to even start with that pearl of wisdom…

1691

and Israhell.

northerntruthseeker .

THIS is a very factual reality… And shows once again that the entire “war on terror” is a fraud and instigated by the US and that scumbag state of Israel

alejoeisabel

Jihadists fight for Israel, and they receive medical treatment in the Israeli occupied Syrian Golan Heights.

pantertr

assad’s lover druzes have also had escaped towards israel, so?
if you meant daesh with “Jihadists”, yes they may do since they don’t attack to israel even though they’ve got borders but that’s sure they’re not Jihadists since they target Muslims and the benefits of Muslim countries.

Ronald

The Druze live in the Israeli occupied Golan Heights , and on the Syrian side of that “demilitarized zone” . The Druze are loyal Syrians , and even those living under Israeli occupation manage to cross into Syrian held territory to keep their Syrian passports current . And yes they love Assad .
So you are with the Muslim Brotherhood .

pantertr

you’re saying druze are good with israel and assad = assad is good with israel.
FSA-HTS fights against assad.

Ronald

Your comprehension of English is off , I said the Druze are loyal to Assad .
Even those living on Israeli occupied territory maintain their Syrian citizenship .
Yes the FSA and HTS are either brainwashed jihadists or mercenaries waging war against the people of Syria , for the Imperial American Empire .

pantertr

you began crying.
you’re keeping repeating like a broken record or what I must say, broken retard.
FSA-HTS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL AND USA AS ITS APPARENT FROM THEIR POLITICS IN SYRIA: this is what you don’t want to get it from my comments.
daesh = serving for imperialists and zionists as they’re in fight against FSA, HTS and SAA.
ypg-pkk = serving for imperialists as they’re in fight against FSA, HTS and SAA.

Ronald

FSA , HST , Al Nusra , are directly funded by CIA ,

pantertr

it was till 2013-2014 period, not later.

Jens Holm

:))

Bob

Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you…jihadist militants operating in Syria are sponsored mercenaries fighting for the ‘coalition’ of NATO and Gulf States.

pantertr

you people must have a degree about retardness as there is no any concrete proof to prove your claims.

pantertr

I know all of them and that’s about 6 years ago so doesn’t make any sense, you’re out dated.

Ronald

Its called “education” from more than one source .
You think you are “anti-imperial” , but because of your poor education , you are actually fighting FOR the American Imperialists , its hilarious and sad at the same time . All young men throwing their lives away for American objectives .

pantertr

you’re so stupid that you think america just like God, usa has no any power to control FSA-HTS.. usa’s political actions like supporting ypg-pkk shows they’re in fight against Syrians as they want to divide Syria.
usa once supported FSA-HTS against communists, today they see FSA-HTS work for the benefits of the rising of Muslim world, they no longer support FSA-HTS that’s it.

Terra Cotta Woolpuller

Need a correction “sponsored foreign mercenaries” that is what they are not local Muslim Brotherhood even those are almost dead.

Bob

Point taken – was trying keep it very simple and explain to the reality challenged ‘pantertr’ that even the most original armed militants in Syria have roots in anti-secular fundamentalism. They are indeed however now deceased in manu cases and replaced with foreign recruits who are sponsored with weapons and wage-paid employee of US-Saudi axis.

Terra Cotta Woolpuller

Well Wahhabi, Salafi and Muslim brotherhood all recruit them at a young age to see which ones can be easily programmed old religious trick in creating those to follow them blindly and unquestioning. These are employed by all as gangsters go after the isolated and indoctrinate the most vulnerable of them..

Ryan Glantz

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MeMadMax

PKK is a internationally recognized terrorist organization:

https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

Jens Holm

NO.

William Culbertson

in the 80’s yes what about now?

Bob

From Wikipedia: ‘The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), the United States and the European Union.’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party

EnabledVet

I don’t think there was any doubt who the Turks were going to remove….

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Wegan

Kurds fortified their positions with American help for years, If the US does not intervene, it will be over in 3 months in my opinion.

You can call me Al

I go 4/5 months.

Ronald

Two months, its just a training exercise for the Turkish Army , by May they might reach the Iranian border .

alejoeisabel

Lets see if impetuous Erdogan can defeat the Kurds without the US intervention.

Terra Cotta Woolpuller

Well 2 dead US advisers in Ifrin already many forget how embedded is the US on both sides of this evil game.

pantertr

Beginning of every operation is slow because of strong resistance as of the manpower of defender as similar happened during Euphrates Shield, the result will come quick when the ypg-pkk get destroyed in Afrin region.
Their daily death toll is averagely 140 for max numbers.

Michał Hunicz

There is a rain and fog now. That’s the reason of a slow advance. 3 months max.

Ivanus59

Alright so 3 months it is then, by the end of April it should be done. :} we shall see…

dutchnational

Well, Yeni Safak said a few hours, Erdogan said a few days max and now, after 5 days, almost zero gains and many losses, even when one believes this map.

Tensions within TFSA rising, also between TFSA and TSK. With reports of 15 turks captured (?) ! all is not well in the happy land of Turkey.

pantertr

And where are your sources about your claims? TAF-FSA have captured large areas in Afrin and makes terrorists suffering heavy casualties of death toll with at least 400, to 700.
TAF-FSA martyr toll is max 20.

There is no any tension between TSK and FSA, just otherwise, FSA is too happy for being supported by TSK. A Westerner’s thinking of there is tension between TSK and FSA just makes me laugh. :D

Volil som a volím Kotlebu
Solomon Krupacek

daily shrinking of ypg held territory …

Feudalism Victory

They need to link those beachheads and hold territory beyond artillery range from turkey before crowing about victory.

John Mason

I assume the Red is the SAA, if so the Kurds will be eventually surrounded.

madcobra

turks are working with 100% of jihadist terrorists on earth.

turks ban wikipedia, imgur, livesyria maop websites.

erdogan doesnt speak english, assad does

erdogans wife wears turban while assads wife doesnt.

turks are jihadists terrorists. turkey is a terrorist state.

Michał Hunicz

Very good they banned LiveSyriaMap, this is a pro-Zionist propaganda.

alejoeisabel

Erdogan is an impetuous and intemperate

Bashar Assad is thoughtful and rational

Ryan Glantz

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s Slippy

Lets change name of ISIS to IS-democratic forces, have the same militants, keep the same ideology, have the same flag, and divide syria, drive the native arab population out of their villages, but somehow its still a new organisation right? just like the PKK/SDF/YPG nonsense… Who are we trying to fool anymore

That map shown to you by south front is not up to date. Tell the truth and say it like it is: There is a slaughter going on.
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dutchnational

Yes, the bearded ones are getting shorn.

s Slippy

There is a freakshow circus here in the comment section, if you want any credibility at least get your facts straight of which villages have been liberated or not.

Anthony Paul Mapes

Looking at previous campaigns within Syria one could estimate 6-11 month, taking into account hill fortifications towns/city’s. You would also need to leave wriggle room for pre-empt ceasefires which is also common in this theatre of war, as long as they use FSA as cannon fodder those that support the brace SAA should see this as a positive!
This could even bring back the wayward regions back to the Syrian fold, providing the US don’t throw support behind the afrin Kurds. As always these are just my opinions!

BMWA1

AMN in Lebanon just published headline (breaking) Breaking: “Kurdish government officially calls on Syrian Army to protect Afrin from Turkey”. Maybe true, maybe not so much?

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