MH17 Downed by Missile Launcher “From Russia”, No Proof Provided: Investigators

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MH17 Downed by Missile Launcher "From Russia", No Proof Provided: Investigators

Dutch police officer Wilbert Paulissen, head of the National Crime Squad, is pictured next to a damaged missile as he presents interim results in the ongoing investigation of the 2014 MH17 crash that killed 298 people over eastern Ukraine, during a news conference by members of the Joint Investigation Team, comprising the authorities from Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine, in Bunnik, Netherlands, May 24, 2018. REUTERS/Francois Lenoir

A missile used to shoot down Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over East Ukraine in 2014 came from the Rusian military, Wilbert Paulissen, head of the crime squad of the Netherlands’ national police, said told a press conference organized by the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) on May 24.

According to Paulissen, the missile was launched by the Buk TELAR belonging to the Russian Armed Forces’ 53rd Anti-Aircraft Brigade.

The JIT has come to the conclusion that the Buk TELAR by which the MH17 was downed originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Bridage, or the 53rd Bridage, from Kursk in the Russian Federation,” Paulissen said.

According to this version, the Buk TELAR was allegedly delivered to the area in eastern Ukraine, which was beyond not controlled by Kiev at the time of the incident and subsequently returned to Russia after the crash.

However, Dutch Chief Prosecutor Fred Westerbeke stated the investigation team will not disclose the evidence allegedly uncovered.

We have more evidence and more information to back the conclusions made today, but we will not make them public at this time,” he said.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down over the conflict zone in Ukraine’s Donbass region on July 17, 2014. All 298 people on board were killed. The Ukrainian government, the US and their allies immediately accused Russia of being behind the incident. Since then, the investigation has been ongoing.

The Russian side rejects its involvement in the MH17 crash dismissing the accusations as baseless.

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  • Blaubeere

    “Highly likely”??

    • Selbstdenker

      “Highly likely” isn’t as strong as “We have hard evidence of weapons of mass destructions”, is it?

  • Nosferatu

    I wonder if these people could say the same again if connected to a lie detector……

  • Barba_Papa

    I’m perfectly willing to believe that a Russian supplied Buk launcher brought down MH-17by accident, and that Russia has been throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the investigators to divert attention. It was a chaotic period, lots of improvisations took place, things that officially didn’t happen. I get that. Organizations always have a hard time admitting the truth and that they are wrong. Be that from your local football club to a multinational, to a government agency to governments itself. Getting them to admit the truth is like pulling teeth. I fully believe that Russia doesn’t want to admit that they did this by accident. Who would?

    Just don’t give me that bullshit of ‘we have evidence but we can’t make it public’. Either be prepared to fully back up your accusations with actual proof, or don’t make them at all. In court no prosecutor gets away with this tactic, and neither should anyone while in the media. And the media should tell them that rather then gobble it up like brainless turkeys. Lazy bastards!

    • Gary Sellars

      Given that noone can answer as to WHY Russia would send a lone BUK into rebel held Ukraine, I see zero reason to believe this BS. The scenario is nonsensical.

    • ruca

      Who benefits? Russia had absolutely zero to gain from it. Kolomoskoy is the guy that ordered it. Lots of his SMS history show it. I don’t believe a BUK was even involved. Never was there any evidence of a contrail. A Uke SU24 or SU25 modified by the Israelis was involved. An Isreali A2A missile took it out. Lots of 30mm cannon holes in the cockpit. Also I remember interviews on the scene from Donbass residents. One man or woman was surprised that there was no blood. Don’t know what to think of that.

      • Barba_Papa

        Who benefits? Cost benefit analysis only enters play when there was intent. Who benefits from an accident though? Here’s the way I see it:
        – War breaks out in Ukraine
        – UaF bombs Russian sponsored rebels
        – Russians decide to even the odds by supplying some SAMs to the rebels.
        – Rebels accidentally down MH-17
        – Russians go WTF and go into panic mode
        – Rather then admit a mistake and why a Russian supplied SAM system was in rebel territory they go into damage limitation mode, deny that it happened and launch a thousand conspiracy theories to divert the narrative.

        Occam’s Razor. Always go for the most simple plausible explanation. It’s not like the Russians are saints and only the West does things like this. I can understand that a stupid mistake was made. I can also understand that the Russians by now have dug a deep hole for themselves, by denying for so long and trying to obfuscate what happened that to admit it now would mean serious loss of face. I can understand all that. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to swallow bullshit. Neither from the Americans, Europe, my own country, or the Russians.

        • AlexanderAmproz

          Alike 9/11,

          who enjoy the crime is the first question the US want to avoid !

  • Rob

    Under conspiracy the airline MH-17 was intentionally pushed to the Ukrainian aerospace which was not locked (closed) at that time for aviation.

  • John Whitehot

    hopefully in the future we will again live on a planet where public accusations are backed by public evidence. Otherwise, if you aren’t ready to provide any proof to the public, make your accusation private.

  • gustavo

    Liars !!! “WEAPOSN OF MASS DES>TRUCTION”
    Professionall liars !

  • Rodger

    If you ask the most likely perpetrator of a crime to join the investigation you can just end it right there as none of its findings will have any value whatsoever.
    Ashamed of the state my country, the Netherlands, is in at the moment. Using our victims to do politics of the lowest kind for the benefit of another deeply corrupt and nasty country is just abhorrent.

  • nshah

    hahaha.. The UN is the useless and incompetent body.. this is worst than UN.. LOL

    • Paul Barbara

      I don’t see the funny side of it, but sure, it’s largely controlled by the Banksters.

  • Hrky75

    For the sake of the argument let’s assume that this theory was – highly likely – since no material evidence was provided. So MH17 was brought down by lone Russian BUK system whose eventful travels across the border and back again still remain unsubstantiated with anything resembling facts – as oppose to numerous Ukrainian BUK batteries whose operation in the area was confirmed even by Ukrainian army. Btw, what AF were they defending against? Anyways, assuming that the Russians did it, in order to prosecute them for crime you need to prove intent – accidents in war zones are still only accidents, or “collateral damage” when our “colonial cousins” do that. And the price for “collateral damage” is as we all know by now – an apology, not a prison term. People that should get a prison sentence are flight controllers that directed the plane into the war zone and possibly people from Ukrainian AF that allegedly tried to smuggle a Su25 into the area under MH17 radar shadow. The fact that the pilot identified to be flying the Su committed suicide few months ago is just another coincidence…

    • Paul Barbara

      The pilot who was likely ‘suiicided’ was probably the one believed to have shot the MH 17 down originally. And it would make sense just before the ‘definitive’ ‘judgement’, like Barry Jennings ‘dying’ two days before the NIST Final Report on WTC 7 came out.

  • Starlight

    With Putin on his knees, having agreed to the partition of Syria, the removal of Iranian forces from Syria, and full support of Israeli death squads operating in Gaza and the West Bank, Russia gets its expected ‘rewards’…

    Massive strikes by the neo-nazis of Ukraine against ethnic Russians, massive ramping up of sanctions against Russia, and now this MI6 orchestrated propaganda strike against its international reputation.

    Every time you walk backward, the beast of the West walks toward you and demands another, faster backward step.

    It looks like Trump is going to declare war on Iran on the anniversary of 9/11 this year (American media organisations have mysteriously cleared this week of all activity in advance). As you should know, American courts blamed Iran for 9/11 earlier this year (a classic sign). Putin is doing everything he can to set Iran up for destruction- just as was the case with Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya- where Putin’s craven activity at the UN was key for the West’s road to war in each case.

    In a real sense, Putin wants the anti-Russian battering by the West to use as an EXCUSE for his lack of action with respect to the Iran War. It is accepted by even zionist supporters in the West that the current leader of Israel is a disgusting mass-murdering racist jew even by the standards of his clan, yet Putin chose this filth to be his partner at the most recent Russian celebrations.

    Trump is trying to ‘calm’ the Korea situation in readiness for the Iran War (a ‘perception’ play since most yanks falsely believe that N Korea is public enemy no.1). To this end, Putin voted for the foulest of sanctions on the people of N Korea to assist Trump in his Iran War preparations.

    Even TheSaker has been forced to admit all his ‘predictions’ of glowing Russian success have been proven to be a total nonsense in the light of actual history over the last three years. Of course it was TheSaker who told you anti-Russian sanctions would be over in six months (years later and the sanctions against Russia have grown massively).

    Anyway this vile Dutch pop at Russia is just another example of where things really stand. This propaganda strike is 100% a jewish construct, as is all the key anti-russian psy-ops, yet the more world jewry beats Russia, the more Putin panders to jewish warmongering.

    • Gary Sellars

      Putin on his knees? Why are you dragging your sordid ghey fantasies onto this site?

    • ruca

      Nice try but nobody buys into your BS. No morals whatsoever.

  • as

    What’s the goal of this ? Would they make the ruling in Malaysia that the families of deceased can sue Russia for this ? Like how it do so recently against Iran ?

  • Promitheas Apollonious

    the neverlanders at it again. Like their english counter parts and bastard cousins over the ocean they accuse but present no proof of anything they say. A bunch of pedophile zombies on drugs and mushrooms.

    • Paul Barbara

      Except mushrooms would probably straighten them out!

      • Promitheas Apollonious

        I dont think so. I visited their country many times and have speak with a lot of them. Have yet to find a real person among them.

  • Smaug

    It was more than likely simple misidentification anyway, although most likely a Dombasser. The real lesson is not to fly commercial flights over war zones.

    • Paul Barbara

      The pilot was ordered to take that route by Kiev. It may well have been misidentification, the Ukrainians believing it was Putin’s plane.

  • S Melanson

    The Dutch led Joint Investigative Team (JIT) blames Russia and the separatists in the Donbass region but will not disclose the evidence to support this conclusion.

    This should be no surprise given the Dutch (NATO) led JIT is comprised of officials from Belgium (NATO), Australia (ANZUS), Malaysia (observer status only) and UKRAINE!.

    I suggest reading multiple media sources on the JIT and I bet almost all reports in MSM will not mention the full composition of the JIT, only that it is Dutch led. While I do not believe the omission was intentional, even Southfront leaves out this critical information.

    The only nation that might be considered independent and motivated to determine the true cause for the downing of MH17 is Malaysia. But Malaysia, being restricted to observer status, did not have a hand in authoring any investigative report of the JIT. But Ukraine certainly did, and to get a sense of Ukraine’s clearly unbiased and objective attitude, I suggest reading the Malaysian news outlet – New Straits Times: Malaysia, Ukraine to ink document on MH17 prosecution, Geraldine A., May 24, 2018.

    In the article, the Ukrainian ambassador to Malaysia states: “Ukraine remains committed with Malaysia to get to the bottom of this.”

    Well this would explain why Russia cannot be part of the JIT as it would interfere with Ukraine’s commitment to Malaysia to “get to the bottom of this”. And given Ukraine (and the US), before the JIT was even constituted, had already made public their conclusions of who was responsible – Russia, we can be quite certain that “getting to the bottom of this” can only lead to one result.

    To add to the absurdity of this, since Malaysia has only observer status, the ambassador is really saying that Ukraine remains committed TO Malaysia to get to the bottom of this. Considering that Ukraine is among the list of suspects in the downing of MH17, we now have one of the murder suspects telling the family of the victim that they will find the perpetrator!

    Whether or not Russia (or whoever) was culpable in the downing of MH17 is not relevant to what I am saying here. What I am saying is that the make-up of the JIT since it’s inception renders any findings it reports to have NO credibility given the gross conflicts of interest involving the authors.

    • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

      The JIT is a kangaroo court. Stalin would be proud!

      • 35InfantryRegiment

        Russian troll.

        • Gary Sellars

          Murican dipshit

          • 35InfantryRegiment

            We ran you out of Afghanistan in 1989 with a Stinger. lmao.

          • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

            The US is stuck so far up Afghanistan’s arse that it makes the ripper look like the nun!

        • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

          US/EU/NATO massive ignoranus!

      • S Melanson

        Stalin is a great example of kangaroo courts and show trials. Attorneys would vie with each other to impress Stalin and his cronies with bellicose hyperbole to paint the defendant as a traitorous wretch deserving of death. Stalin was indeed impressed, often by the display of the defence lawyers that often outdid the prosecution in denouncing the defendant. As bad as the JIT is, Stalin takes the gold.

  • You can call me Al

    Oh FFS – STFU you dumb, ignorant, pathetic, boring, war-mongering Yanks and shame on you Dutch.

    • 35InfantryRegiment

      We should have left you rummies to the Hun. Both times.

      • You can call me Al

        Hahahaha – you only interfered WW11 in 1941.

        Useless gob shites.

        • 35InfantryRegiment

          And we should have stayed home and let those Hun perverts wax you.

      • Gary Sellars

        The Soviets won the war buddy, you Yanks and yer Limey butt chums came late to the party

        • 35InfantryRegiment

          US supplied the commie punks by cargo ships. What a ignorant moron you are.

  • You can call me Al

    “MH17 was downed originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Bridage, or the 53rd Bridage,”…… or my Uncle Bob, or any other bloody so and so.

    • S Melanson

      The report has no credibility when you consider the conflicts of interest of the authors which includes Ukraine – a suspected party to the downing of MH17 is also part if the investigative team while Russia is excluded – sounds fair to me… I discuss this in my post below.

    • Paul Barbara

      Careful, they’ll be seeking to extradite your Uncle Bob!

      • You can call me Al

        They better bring a shovel, he is 6ft under.

  • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

    Dutch Chief Prosecutor Fred Westerbeke:
    “We have more evidence and more information to back the conclusions made today, but we will not make them public at this time,”
    Well, I am calling you are LIAR, Freddy boy! Just like LIAR Kerry who said the US had satellite images that pinpointed the launch of the missile that brought MH17 down.
    You are a LIAR, Freddy boy, LIAR, LIAR, LIAR!
    You and your ilk hide the “evidence” while the US/EU/NATO gang instigate a war with nuclear Russia that could lead to total destruction.
    Strange how the US released the satellite photos to diffuse the Cuban missile crises, but LIARS like you expect the Plebs to swallow social media “evidence”.
    LIAR, LIAR, LIAR!!!

    • Paul Barbara

      Just like they had Slam Dunk evidence OBL was responsible for 9/11 (LIE); that Saddam Hussein had WMD (LIE); that North Vietnam attacked two US destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin (LIE); that Iraqi troops threw Kuwaiti babies onto the cold floor, and stole the incubators (LIE); that Mexico attacked American soldiers in US territory, a casus belli for the US/Mexican war, where the US seized Mexican territories of (what is now) large parts of Texas, New Mexico and California) LIE; that Pearl Harbour caught the US Military by surprise (LIE); that the Lusitania was not carrying war materials to Britain (LIE); that President Assad used CW’s against his own people (LIES).
      The lies about attacks and hoaxes by targets for aggression are legion.
      Liars and War Criminal Luciferians Rule, OK? seems to be their motto.

      • 35InfantryRegiment

        You losers are crybabies.lol

        • Gary Sellars

          Shut yer face, stupid baby killer

          • 35InfantryRegiment

            Wah wah, snowflake. Most of you ran down your mommy’s leg.

        • Concrete Mike

          Your the loser buddy, how do you like being wall streets thugs? Your leaders are pissing on the constitution daily and you guys sit back and take it…and then you come along and cheer them on…shame !!

          • 35InfantryRegiment

            Come to Arizona and say that, pink. They haven’t taken our guns away yet like in that shit hole you live in.

          • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

            Why would anyone visit Arizona, which elects that warmonger McCain as a senator?
            Join the 21st century and then your puny state might deserve a visit from this Londoner.
            I understand that there is a great observatory in Flagstaff?

          • 35InfantryRegiment

            There’s 4 on Kit Peak you ignorant socialist Limey.

          • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

            Killer McCain, the head-chopper lover’s national anthem:
            Chop!
            One o’ clock, two o’clock, three o’clock BOMB!…. we’re going to BOMB around the clock tonight….
            Sorry to Bill Haley!

          • 35InfantryRegiment

            McCain and Flake are both lying RINO’s. McCain is a gigolo and Flake is a Mormon cultist.

        • VeeNarian (Yerevan)

          I demand EVIDENCE, dear boy, not the propaganda that runs the new religion of anti Russian RACISM that has infected the elite of the US/EU/NATO countries.
          Where are the satellite images Kerry said the US had? Did the dog eat that homework?

  • Paul Barbara

    When you’re ‘Exceptiional’, you don’t need to show evidence – ask the Bushes, Clintons, Obomba, Trump, Bliar, Cameron, May, Netanyahu, Micron, and so on.
    ‘Because I say so’ seems to be acceptable to the tame MSM. They are as guilty of all the War Crimes which ensue from the PTB’s lies and wars, by not exposing the lies.
    Any media which does print the truth, and calls the Perps out, is called a ‘Fake News’ site.

    • 35InfantryRegiment

      You’re rubbish is fake.

      • Gary Sellars

        Poor grammar from a stoopid Murican jarhead… Why is no-one surprised?

        • 35InfantryRegiment

          US army you moron. Stoopid.

  • Gary Sellars

    The JIT are under political pressure to support the Ukropi Banderite regime in its efforts to smear Moscow. It’s a sad day when such agencies refuse to show a spine and cave in to such corruption.

  • Vitex

    Won’t make them public because they don’t exist….