Map Update: Turkish Dreams About Large-Scale Attack On Syrian Army In Greater Idlib4.6428571428571
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Map Update: Turkish Dreams About Large-Scale Attack On Syrian Army In Greater Idlib
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On February 19, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan once again threatened Syria with a full-scale military operation in Greater Idlib. He claimed that Ankara is not happy with results of the Turkish-Russian talks on the situation in Idlib and that there are only a few days left until the end of February. Earlier, Turkey demanded the Syrian Army to withdraw from recently liberated areas or it will attack its positions in the region.
The ultimate delusional arrogance of threatening to attack the country in the process of liberating itself from terrorists. Turks losing their mind…and war.
Guibus Guib
erdogan the donmeh, the crypto jiouw of muslim brotherhood, does not give a sh.t of the turkish people.
Vitex
Wot, another Sabbatean in the Middle East? WHo’d have thunk it
Jim Bim
if attacks come from Turkish op, then they are legitimate target and should be destroyed.
Furkan Sahin
SAA need more air defense system
ruca
What are you worried about? That they do air attacks? It would be a suicide mission.
Jim Bim
The Turks are not allowed to fly in Syria.
Lazy Gamer
One can feel the goading and opportunism about to come from Israel. lol
FlorianGeyer
NuttyYahoo to Erdo, ‘The IDF have your arse covered, go for it Erdo. We are right behind you’ :)
Vitex
The Israelis are good at such promises, and then missing in action when the rubber hits the road. Like their meddling in Lebanon. Israel first, and the rest is just details
Joe Doe
SAA should prepare for Turkey offensive. SAA first should cut Turkey supply line and quarantine the Turkey post and those ost should be first target. In addition, Turkey military should be legitime target and SAA need hit Turkey hard, right from the beginning. Furthermore, Russia should increase supply to SAA more modern weapons such as SU-30, MIG-29, attack helicopters, anti tank weapons and S-400. Upon success SAA should liberate Idlib province and push Turkey out of Syria
ruca
Shoulda coulda woulda
Ricky Miller
President Putin may lament the events to follow that he could stop right now with one public speaking appearance. Seriously once it kicks off it’s going to be difficult to arrest but stern warnings now, backup to Russia’s aerospace force in Syria and making clear that Russia’s wider economic deals with Turkey are under threat could all stop this before it starts. I guess the Kremlin must either want this fight or is fine with Turkey rolling back SAA gains and placing Aleppo back under HTS mortars.
FlorianGeyer
From President Putins statement of ‘ Not One Metre Back’ the other day, I sense that President Putin knows that any real conflict with Turkey is a fight that can and must be won.
That point has now been reached.
Saint Jimmy (Russian American)
What the fuck is wrong with Erdogan? Has he gone insane? Is his survival at stake? If he wants full scale war with Russia, Iran, and Syria, he might get it and he won’t survive it. Israel won’t go to war with Russia to save Erdogan and neither will the US or ANY NATO country. I think he might be having a nervous breakdown.
Wegan
I guess you’re not aware of what he just said moments ago. He said he will retake all of Libya from General Haftar.
Insane is a bit mild, don’t you think?
Saint Jimmy (Russian American)
Wow. Yeah.
Caesar
He sounds like a pathological liar!
FlorianGeyer
He is :)
Vitex
Isn’t that the minimum requirement for a leader of the democratic west? Think of Boris Johnson or Trump. The yellow-haired buffoon vs the orange-haired buffoon
Caesar
I would like to re-phrase your question of “is his survival at stake?” as “are his political and personal survival are at stake?” My guess vould be YES!
It seems to me that if SAA clears Idlib from the jihadist then Erdogan’s not so much hidden any more agenda of changing Turkey into a islamist country from middle ages, naturally himself absolute ruler for life, will have a ZERO chance of being realised.
I imagine one additional natural outcome would be his removal from public life for good.
What a lovely present it would be from SAA to Turkish people to help them return to democracy where secularism as its corner stone!
Saint Jimmy (Russian American)
“Agenda of changing Turkey into an Islamist country from middle ages….”
He’s gone insane. I’m pretty sure the Turkish people wouldn’t tolerate that.
Wayne Nicholson
It’s a bluff …. a bit of theater for is base. He knows he has to give up Idlib eventually and is no position to go to war with Syria, Iran and Russia but he wants to delay it as long as possible because of the very real refugee crisis he’s facing and he wants to use it as a bargaining chip for a buffer zone against the kurds.
The USA OTOH are doing everything they can to incite a war between Turkey and Syria in a last ditch attempt do depose Assad. I’m no fan of Ergogan but I still think he’s too smart to fall for it.
Saint Jimmy (Russian American)
Hmmm. Makes sense. Thanks. I hope you’re right.
FlorianGeyer
Smart or wily as a rabid fox?
Wayne Nicholson
Smart and wily as a sociopath
Vitex
So clever, you could pin a tail on it and call it a fox!
Vitex
He’s hardly going to become America’s proxy force for free. The Turks already have a somewhat tenuous relationship with America after the F35 (country budget swallowing) fiasco
rulla
Yes, some say all this is just acting and on the ground it’s coordinated with SAA and the Russians and aims to confuse and bleeding out Nusra… Well, it would not be surprising from Erdo that even if he had to give up Idlib, he would try to make some profit out of it…
Jaime Alberto GALARZA CASTANED
It is not very smart to send thousands of troops to a powder keg. In Syria a wider war may not depend on cooler heads but on sheer luck because if it comes, it will as a result of an accident. Nobody wanted war in 1914, but it happened.
Leon
Don’t forget that Erdogan controls Bosphorus. He may prevent Russia to pass and any attack against Turkey’s territory will set off article 5 of OTAN. WWIII ……. not realy desired by Putin. So he will kowtow
Saint Jimmy (Russian American)
Putin won’t bow to Turkey. Also, Russia would never attack Turkish territory and has never threatened to do so. However, I’m pretty sure all terrorist and Turkish presence in Syria will be erased unless Turkey comes to terms. If Turkey closes the straits and Turkish territory has not been attacked, Erdogan has sealed his fate. Erdogan is now the one playing with a very weak hand. He could attempt a massive invasion of Syria but the Syrians, Iranians, and Russians are now ready for that. I don’t think the Turkish people would tolerate casualties well into the thousands to maintain a small strip of land in Syria for violent religious crazies.
FlorianGeyer
Blocking the Bosphorus by Turkey would be an act of war against Russia.
Soviets have maintained for 50+ years that they will use nukes to reopen the straits.. Just recently there were Russian ships at both ends waiting for just that, to reopen it by force if it was closed..
Xanatos
Here’s just following the money. He’s back on Saudi payroll. They must have offered $25 billion to attack Syria.
Bill Wilson
We should see this map again in the near future with the green arrows pointing in the opposite direction.
AleK
First, they’ll simply secure areas already under terrorist control. This entire operation is desperate attempt to save terrorists from complete defeat. Turks plan to place their own regular army instead of terrorists, and then keep them forever in N.Syria (like in Northern Cyprus). I doubt they’ll risk some large scale operations against the SAA, but they’ll probably try to exploit eventual weaknesses (SAA not yet fortified their newly liberated areas). Turks will send their irregular ‘bashi-bazouk’ terrorist puppets first and Tur.Army will provide artillery and limited air and tank support. But again, I believe the main objective is simply to prevent the SAA to completely liberate Idlib.
nyomarek
Syria has invented an ISIS-weed killer, works way better than Monsanto’s Roundup, the name of the super-potent ISIS-weed killer is: SAA.
Ronald
You’ve got it, it worked in Cyprus. And he can send all his jihadists to Libya.
Pave Way IV
“…Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan once again threatened Syria with a full-scale military operation in Greater Idlib…”
Yeah, ‘once again’ [yawn…]. Remember when Erdogan and the (Muslim Brotherhood-friendly) Turkish AKP went stealth full-retard in 2011? From being happy with their neighbor, Syria and Assad, to treating it as an enemy country occupying it’s old Ottoman Empire borders that Erdogan should rightly take back? ‘Stealth’ because Erdogan really didn’t come out publicly against Assad around 2014 until it was clear (to Erdogan) that the Syrian government was probably going to fall.
The original ‘take back the Ottoman lands’ dream (land theft) morphed into ‘Syrian replacement government-building zone’ where officers that deserted to the rebel side can flee. Then it morphed into an ‘ISIS-free zone’. Eventually, Erdogan admitted that the various incarnations of ‘buffer zone’ really meant ‘Syrian government-free (and Kurd-free)’ zone’, where Erdogan could extend his Neo-Ottoman Empire. This map is from 2014:
I can see a full-scale Turkish military invasion because, well… Erdogan. It will either accomplish far less than Erdogan hopes or just be a colossal failure. It doesn’t matter – he’ll keep trying. Obsession with land/resource theft and controlling neighbors. Sound familiar?
Barba_Papa
This would be an offensive on a scale we have not seen from the Turkish army so far, of which they have not proven themselves capable of so far. Also it would require a massive mobilization of Turkish conscripts as the usual tactic of sending in Jihadi meatshields to cover their still not upgraded tanks. Air power would be out of the question as unlike ISIS and the Kurds the SAA has more then just a few manpads.
And that’s excluding what the Russians will do. Just letting the SAA use the Russian air defense network to guide their SAM systems would basically keep the Turkish air force out of the equation.
Wegan
Something is wrong with Turkey. This is not the SDF where they can be bullied around and has weak allies in the region (but powerful in sound bites, lol).
SAA has support from Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.
Plus this idiot does not have air cover. The Turkish troops will be annihilated and humiliated.
Tim Williams
The madman of Ankara needs to in a straight jacket and then pushed off a bridge into the Bosphorus
Friend of Russia
Time for Erdogan to eat some roasted turkeys
Free man
Syria will be Turkey’s Vietnam. And the end of Erdogan.
“Erdogan threatens ‘imminent’ operation in Syria’s Idlib if Damascus fails to withdraw behind Turkish positions”
What does AFP mean by that? There’s got to be about a half-dozen layers of fallback Turkish observation posts. Even the Turks don’t know where they all are, and they keep building more.
That by extension means, Al Sisi’s Europe (besides Russian, US, and others) allies too finally seem to push back against Erdogan.
Do our politicians finally grow themselves some balls, instead of being intimidated by a third rate power with a frist rate madman?
I guess we will soon find out.
I look forward to the spectacle of Turkish brinkmanship being ignored by the Allies. If the Sultana does go bananas Those “observation posts” should be the first to go down the toilet.
Vitex
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in any Turkish post. I reckon the Turkish soldiers in them hate Erdogan as much as we do – I would if I was one of them
Leon
What I said for several month was that Erdogan was pulling Putin’s leg ! Not so clever as pretended.
Tim Williams
Putin is going to kick that mutt poodle in his face soon
Tim Williams
on this slow action day … this is great read … map is enlargeable …
The Moon of Alabama has a large readership in the US, and the world , so at least there will be more people questioning the UK/US narrative.
Twas the UK intelligence types who ran the paedophile entrapment operation of IRA and UDF et al, at the Kincora Boys home during the Irish ‘troubles’ of the 60’s 70’s and 80’s. They also ran the Protestant Death Squads in the North.
Civilians were killed and wounded as a result of the targeting of the Russian Air Force.
If Russia continues to do such stupid things, NATO and the UN will be on Turkey’s side.
If this will happen, we will see the real face of Putin.
Tim Williams
Grozny … we all know what Putin is capable of doing
Kananda
Within Russia. Against low-level enemy.
Tim Williams
no difference, inside Syria against inferior forces
Kananda
we will see
Tim Williams
Top Syrian Kurdish officials were at Aleppo International Airport for the first flight celebration. Syria wants to have air service to and from all Kurdish areas to pull the country together.
turkey might end up in europe after its all said and done and the greeks wont be happy with that at all.. erdoggoe can then say hes truely yuropean and wants into the EU..
Tim Williams
EU does not want him … Turkey applied in 1987 … denied for human rights violations and deficits of laws
Vitex
The population of Turkey would not support such a move, and if he’s hoping to use proxy forces I think he’s down to 12-year olds and 60-year olds like the Wermacht in 1945
northerntruthseeker .
I am actually quite astounded, considering how the Turks and Russians came to an agreement back in 2018 to have the Syrians gain both the M4 and M5 motorways by having Turkish backed militants withdraw from those areas…
Now we find in 2020 that the SAA and the Russians have had to slug it out to obtain those important highways that Turkey had already agreed to give up…..
It does show that Erdogan can NOT ever be trusted, and absolutely does not bargain in good faith… It appears that he has some grandiose desire to somehow restore the old “Ottoman Empire” by grabbing as much of Syria that he can, which is so pathetic and shows that he is borderline insane.
Tim Williams
Every Turk I have ever dealt with is a lying backstabber … he is not borderline insane .. he is full blown … he is a rabid dog … and in the USA one shoots a rabid dog in the head
Caesar
I recently read that Erdogan’s etnic origin is georgian. His grand parents flee Georgia during October comunist revolusion in Russia.
His wife’s ethnic origin is arab.
His Turkish background does not go plus loin.
That perhaps explaines why he likes talking about ottomans where turks used to constitute less than 50 % of the population.
Raptar Driver
Never trust a Turk!
Tim Williams
PUTIN will wait for Turkey to initiate any action … then THORS HAMMER will drop
Xoli Xoli
Insanity has take over Erdogan bloody son of a bitch.
Tim Williams
He is a rabid dog … in the USA rabid infected dogs are put down with a bullet in the head
Xoli Xoli
Erdogan thinks he will brag after this war.Erdogan is in for final showdown. It is his his own final nail in the coffin. No more free flights with tax payers money.His own body guards will arrest him.
russ
or created to cause turmoil in the destruction of sovereign nations… a la ISIS
Tim Williams
I present Scott Ritter … former USA UN weapons inspector … Turkey has put themselves in a terrible position.
An invasion down one road through mountains in winter without air-cover. How few will the Russians and Syrians kill before the rest go home to vent their displeasure on Erdogan personally?
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