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Malaysia Demands JIT To Provide Transparent Access To Evidence On MH17 Case

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Malaysia Demands JIT To Provide Transparent Access To Evidence On MH17 Case

DONETSK REGION, UKRAINE. NOVEMBER 11, 2014. Parts of the wreckage of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 at its crash site. The passenger plane crashed near the village of Hrabove on July 17, 2014. Mikhail Pochuyev/TASS

Malaysia has demanded the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) to provide a transparent access to all the evidence collected in the framework of the MH17 investigation.

Malaysia remains steadfast in our position that we would like to see all evidence made public and that every interested party who has any evidence to offer should be given the opportunity to have the evidence tabled for the investigation,” Malaysian Foreign Minister Datuk Saifuddin Abdullah said, pledging not to to make any decision “as who is right and who is wrong” prior to studying all the evidence.

Malaysia as a party to MH17 incident wanted to be a participant to the JIT as quickly as possible and as soon as JIT was established, but unfortunately our entry into the JIT process was delayed… That is something that we do not feel very comfortable with,” he said

The Malaysian foreign minister made the statement after a meeting with his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov.

“Today, we have discussed what Russia did to ensure an impartial and thorough investigation into the crash, including the information that we provided and field demonstrations concerning how it all could have happened and what conclusions may could be drawn,” Lavrov said following the meeting. “We provided it all to the Joint Investigation Team but as far as I understand, Malaysia was not informed about the data we had presented. This is why we have invited our Malaysian friends to send their experts so that our experts can tell them what information they had submitted to the Joint Investigative Team in the Netherlands.”

According to Lavrov, Saifuddin Abdullah noted that Malaysia had been invited to join the JIT in late 2014, several months after the tragedy.

“As far as we know, before Malaysia was invited to join the team, other members had made a decision that any information would be made public only if all of them, including Ukraine, agreed on that,” Lavrov added.

The position of Malasiya once again demonstrates that the main affected party in the MH17 tragedy was denied access to the investigation because of political reasons. At the same time, Ukraine, one of the key suspects, is a part of the investigation.

Malasiya has repeatedly questioned the mainstream narrative accusing Russia of being responsible for the MH17 shootdown. This makes it an unwanted part of the invesitgation for forces interested in promoting the “Russia is guilty” narrative.

Key MH17 Witness Vladimir Tsemakh: Abduction, Ukrainian Special Services, And Conflict In Donbass

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On July 17, 2014, a Malaysian Boeing 777-200ER aircraft was conducting a scheduled passenger flight (MH17) from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. During a transit flight over the territory of Ukraine, the Ukrainian air traffic control charted the plane directly over the conflict zone between government forces and units of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics.

At 13:20 UTC, the aircraft was shot down as a result of a fire damage from unidentified forces.

The Ukrainian side, with Western support, immediately blamed Russia for the incident. In turn, Malaysia, expresses deep concerns over the accusations against Russia and the course of the investigation.

On June 27, 2019, Ukrainian special services detained the ex-commander of one of the air defense units of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic Vladimir Tsemakh in Snejnoe, on the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Ukraine’s State Security Service claimed that he was involved in the MH17 incident. Later, his status was changed to the “witness”. On September 7, 2019, Tsemakh was transferred to the Russian side as a part of the 35 for 35 exchange of the detained persons.

We present to your attention an exclusive interview with Vladimir Tsemakh (original in Russian) that reveals many interesting details.

Kirill Vyshinsky: Greetings. This is the second interview in the People of Donbass series. This man is not used to speaking on camera. He‘s giving the first interview in his life. In 2014, Vladimir Tsemakh was defending his home in Snejnoe in the region of Donbass. After 3 years, he returned to a peaceful life. In the summer of this year, he appeared in Kiev under strange circumstances, where he was arrested under even stranger circumstances. In September, thanks to the exchange of detained persons, Vladimir Tsemakh returned home.

Kirill Vyshinsky (KV): Vladimir Borisovich, good day!

Vladimir Tsemach (VT): Good day.

KV: We flew in the same plane in September, I saw you very briefly. We didn’t have time to say a word, but you were one of the most famous passengers and I really wanted to know your story, because you were made almost the main witness in the case of the downed Boeing.

KV: But this is not the beginning. Let’s start with your background. Tell us a few words about yourself.

VT: I was born in 1961. In 1978, I entered the Poltava Higher Anti-Aircraft Missile Command Red Banner College named after Army General Nikolai Fedorovich Vatutin. In 1982 I graduated. After that, I got to serve in the 40th Army, meaning in Afghanistan. I was there for three and a half months, after which I was sent to the Far East under an experience share (program), where I served until 1992 and went into reserve in 1992 on Victory Day.

KV: And after?

VT: After that, I returned to my hometown. Until 2019, I lived safely, with the exception of 2014, of course.  I had quite a few different jobs. I didn’t sit in any one place very long.

KV: But nothing related to the army?

VT: No, absolutely not.

KV: You were made almost the main witness in the Boeing case only because you had headed Snezhnoy’s air defense since 2014. Tell us how you got there, what it was; what the weaponry was.

VT: I asked the city commandant, ”Am I needed?“ “Yes.” he said, “The anti-aircraft guns are gathering dust.

KV: When did this take place?

VT: It was June 26th, 2014. When I realized that this circus in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk would not easily end. Semenovka… I realized that they would not calm down.

KV: The authorities?

VT: The Ukrainian authorities didn’t want to talk with the people. They decided to talk from a position of strength. If you think that my grandchildren will not think in my language, that they could be forced to think in Ukrainian, this is wrong, I think. So, I had to go to the militia and after Ukrainian aviation attacked the city center, I got people together immediately. On that same day, I had a lot of people there. The armaments we had consisted of two anti-aircraft guns and two man-portable air defense systems.

KV: Tell me. What did you know then -about this downed Boeing?

VT: I knew as much as the general population knew. I found out either in the evening or the next morning about what happened.

KV: And tell me. In 2019, were you still serving in the army, in the People’s Militia?

VT: No. I finished my service in 2017. I had a compression fracture of the spine. So, my health didn’t allow me to serve.

KV: You were detained on June 27th. Right?

VT: Yes.

KV: On the 28th you were in Kiev. That’s actually the next day. You were detained in Snezhnoye which is around 60 kilometers from the separation line. Right?

VT: It’s further away by road. Turns out the city is only 78 kilometers to Donetsk.

KV: They detained you on the 27th. On the 28th you were already in Kiev, and on the 29th you were in court, where a preventive measure of restraint was chosen. How, under what circumstances, did you end up on the territory of Ukraine in such a short time?

VT: They took me straight away to the separation line. There he constantly kept in touch with the other side.

KV: He? Who’s “he”?

VT: The driver. He participated in the abduction. There were two people. Mortars were fired from the other side. They said they would shell five times for cover fire. They started pushing the wheelchair, and then a sixth shell was fired. I said, “Hey! If you want me dead, why don’t you just get on with it and bury me right here? Why drag this on?” That sixth shell almost hit us. I was even covered with dirt. It seems that it was before the shelling. Was it our people responding so quickly? You can understand the condition I was in. Under tranquilizers, I couldn’t perceive what was happening around me very well. We sat around and waited for the shelling to end, then they put a bag over my head. They kept me in a basement for about 20 minutes.

KV: Did this happen on the other side or here?

VT: On the other side, literally across the Creek. Their position was just 20 meters away -not far away it turns out. With a bag on my head, we ran for about half a kilometer to a minivan. They measured my blood pressure as 190 to 110. They said, “Ok,” the insect is healthy, normal. My head was bandaged and I was immediately sent in a minivan to Kiev.

KV: Were you transported through the separation line in a wheelchair?

VT: I was transported to the creek in the wheelchair and then was put on my feet. My legs buckled and they shoved me in the back. I fell to my hands. That’s all.

KV: So, you were in such a condition that you couldn’t walk?

VT: My legs buckled. Even when I was put in the wheelchair, I couldn’t put my feet on the step.

KV: But why?

VT: I couldn’t. They had to lift my legs, no more than 5 centimeters.

KV: Why did you feel like that? What happened?

VT: They injected two tranquilizers in me at home and a third, in front of Donetsk.

KV: What condition were you in when they brought you to Kiev?

VT: I began feeling normal about a week later. I’m not used to drugs like that.

KV: Was it something strong?

VT: Well, yes. I feel most rested when I sleep 7-8 hours. But I usually only sleep 6 or 7. When I was detained, I was always woken up at 6 AM; then I kept dozing off until around 10 AM.

KV: You said they took every document you had in your house and on your person?

VT: Yes.

KV: They attached them to the case file. Were they classified as secret?

VT: Yes.

KV: They fell under the stamp of secrecy with the consequence, in theory, of improving the case.

VT: That’s what happened.

KV: Nevertheless, in mid-July, your military ID appeared on some kind of investigative web site, it seems, Bellingcat. How can you explain this?

VT: It turns out the Security Service of Ukraine provided this information.

KV: Did it turn out to be a “classified” investigation?

VT: There was no secret. Collaboration was happening as if it was normal. There were no secrets.

KV: Where were you detained in Kiev, in what conditions? What was it like?

VT: At Askold’s detention center. The cell was two by five meters, with two bunks. I was alone there, literally. Just before being freed, a man was put in the cell with me. So, I was constantly alone. For the first two weeks I didn’t even have a bar of soap. I asked, “Give me at least a little piece of soap.“ But, “No”. They didn’t give me anything. For such a serious structure, you would think they could spend some money, at least for a bar of soap. It didn’t happen. As far as nutrition goes -you’ll live. You won’t die of hunger. For hours, it was lights out at 10 PM and rise at 6 AM.

KV: Were the lights turned off?

VT: No. The lights were on all the time. It was dim, but one light was always on. I was allowed to walk in the courtyard between 2 PM and 5 PM, always alone.

KV: Were you always under surveillance?

VT: Yes. The toilet was in the cell.

KV: How were the interrogations?

VT: If the Australians and the Dutch came, then this took place on the premises of the pre-trial detention center and if the SBU investigators conducted it, then I was brought to them.

KV: Were you subjected to polygraph testing?

VT: No. There weren’t any. The representative of the Prosecutor General’s office for some reason really “loved” me -constantly threatened me with a life sentence. But then, it was interesting. When the second interrogation was taking place, with alleged Australian or Dutch representatives, it was very obvious that they were brought up in Slavic families. The representative of Holland Ara Khataryan (I don’t remember the last name. It was like Armenian.) But she spoke the language exclusively. She spoke without an accent. She knew the language perfectly.

With the representative from Australia, Sergey, it was apparent that he was either an immigrant or that he was brought up in a Slavic family. He also spoke Russian well. But at that time, before the second interrogation, Ara was the only one present. The representative of the Prosecutor General’s Office told me, “Look. You’re not being exchanged. You’re going to get a life sentence, but a lot will depend on what answers you give to these comrades.” The camera is immediately turned on. Standard procedure. They asked, “Were there any threats?“ I answered, “If life imprisonment is not a threat, then everything is fine, good.“

KV: Do you treat this in a humorous light? Although, naturally, there was no way to have fun at that moment.

VT: I am a military man, after all.

KV: Can you tell us, in more detail, about these people, these foreigners?

VT: Representatives of the Australian police and the Netherlands police.

KV: Just them? Were there any Americans, or British, somebody else?

VT: No. No. Constantly, if the English-speaking comrade is sitting on the Dutch side, then the Russian-speaking one is Australian. And during the last interrogation -Ara and Sergey were both Russian speakers.

KV: Did they coerce you?

VT: They offered me to go into witness protection. They offered citizenship and a home in the Netherlands. I wondered why there and not in Australia, but I didn’t try to bargain. laughs

KV: Maybe you could have lived in the Netherlands?

VT: No. I’m used to living where I was born. If I came back to Khabarovsk I would still be closer to my native places. Nevertheless, they didn’t offer native places. In 2014, I was told that, for my Afghanistan service, a Moscow communal apartment is paid for and that I should live in it. How could I be cruel by leaving the elderly and the kids behind? Running away is always easy.

KV: Was there any “physical means of interrogation”?

VT: When they put me on the minivan, they struck my kidneys “a little bit.”

KV: Why did you talk to them at all, and not refer to the 63rd article of the Constitution, which allows you to not testify against yourself and relatives? This is a standard procedure. By the way, they should have introduced you to it.

VT: I know of the article. But why should I be afraid? I don’t consider myself a terrorist. I protected my home. Who am I afraid of? I believe that these comrades and I don’t deserve judgments. This is how I feel on the inside.

KV: The case against you, as I understand correctly, is the 258th, second part. Meaning the creation of a terrorist organization or group. Has the case not been closed yet?

14:04 VT: Yes. It turns out I’ve been released on bail.

KV: What do you think awaits you in Ukraine?

VT: Nothing good is waiting for me, especially if such comrades are in the Prosecutor General’s office. They start slobbering -probably over the thought of putting me away for life.

KV: Are you ready to talk in court about what happened to you, about the abduction, tranquilizers, forced detention, and interrogations? Are you going to appeal to international courts?

VT: I’m considering such a possibility.

KV: What’s your assessment of everything that has happened to you?

VT: I consider it an act of terrorism against me on the part of the Ukrainian state -trying to hang me. Well, I was the head of air defense. I explained to them that, for the most part, I did scare off their aircraft. Once the planes flew over and then didn’t fly any more in the area of Snezhnoye, I told my people, “Guys, bring me empty pipes.“ We filled them with sand, made triggers out of tin, painted them, and I had eight groups of “actors” which showed that we really did have MANPADS -and a lot of them too. Although we actually only had two Zu-23 guns and two MANPADS. And with just that we held the defense of such a territory! It’s just a title I had, “the head of air defense”. You could hardly even call it a platoon -by any stretch.

KV: Do you consider yourself a victim of terrorism?

VT: Of course. But this is a bigger mess because they really have nothing on me now or in the future. Maybe, because I didn’t like the events, he was trying to use me, the bigger man, for some sort of scape-goat absolution. It will be interesting to see how they try to hold their ridiculous stories together.

KV: Obviously, your attitude towards Ukraine has changed after what happened to you.

VT: For me it’s still my homeland. It’s bitter and insulting to look at everything happening there. For some reason, people religiously believe in help from the West. But I say it‘s probably necessary to read Taras Bulba. Everything is clearly explained there.

KV: Lyakhi (Poles/Polish) did not help?

VT: Right. They didn’t help. Such ideas are somehow new to this faith. It’s time to live, listening to your own head.

KV: Tell me, please, what is the nature of Donetsk character?

VT: During service in the Soviet army, if people from Donetsk came to serve, some of the gentlemen officers would clutch their heads. It’s a separate caste of people. We have a multinational side. More than two hundred nationalities live in the Donbass. The whole world built it in due time. So there you find friendship and camaraderie and cuisine -something like a special symbiosis.

KV: Did this help in 2014?

VT: Of course, it helped. There was no time to mobilize any forces. People were taught how to fight in literally three to four days. As subsequent events show, some can’t even learn this in two years -let alone three to four days.

KV: Thank you very much.

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  • Avi Schwartz (IDF:71, hamas:0)

    Lol Russkie air defenses are only capable of successfully downing civilian airliners, but are completely useless against military 4th/5th generation fighter jets! as proved by the IDF and the US airforce in Syria! :D

    • Concrete Mike

      Bullshit

      How many airstrikes you pigs sent syrias way that was shot down with pantsir?

      Your fucken useless yourself you human fascist peice of shit.

      Your intransigence will be the death of us all!!! Dont you fucking idiots get that???

      • Jens Holm

        Most people are honered being among pigs compared with being with You. Even Jews are.

        • Concrete Mike

          Ahh is the other peice of trash your new partner?

          Hopefully he last longer than your last.

          In your nonsense ,you occasionnally make sense.

        • rightiswrong rightiswrong

          Jews love pigs, look at Bennys ratings!

    • Concrete Mike

      Go suck benchpress’s cock look at child porn and get the fuck out of here!

      • <>

        “gays” , “fags” and “suck cock”. I was trolling you about that before lol, but now I really think you’re into that kind of stuff man! Seriously, find a man and get kinky with him if that is what you really want :D

    • rightiswrong rightiswrong

      The IDF kill kids, cos they can’t get real men to fight for them, just dorks like you.

      • <>

        terrorists and civilians, we need to kill them and make them regret the day they ever messed with us. And that day is coming sooner than you think.

        • rightiswrong rightiswrong

          Go worship your golden calve, devil worshipper.

          • <>

            Crying now are we? wait we are coming for you.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            I was there, the desert people did nothing, but disgust me.

          • <>

            Where? no way you met IDF troops you would have been dead already.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            And yet I’m here, as are many of my colleagues who stood on your borders and laughed at how you still need us to protect the desert people!

          • <>

            Who the fuck needs who? try to cross the border and see what happens to you bitch. Don’t worry your time is coming too.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            I crossed your borders, flew from your shyte airports, and ye boys laid down before me, as you did my ancestors.

            The Jews were always good at kissing ass.

          • <>

            rofl, why did you even enter Israel? we don’t need people like you here. Good thing you left.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            Ye Jews have been begging white Christian men to fight for you ever since you worshipped the golden calve, you heathen dog.

            The man gene is not present among your mixed bag of degenerates.

          • <>

            lol clown, get the fuck outta here. I don’t know where you’re mumbeling about bitch, when the operation starts I would be happy to meet with you face to face you fuck. Let’s see who owns whom.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            You kid killers never fight men, the IDF never do hand to hand, except in the showers.

            Go pray to the calf you heathen dog.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            I don’t worry about a bunch of losers who can’t even keep hold of the land they previously stole.

            Histories losers, the desert people. Useless as soldiers bunch of cowards who can only shoot kids and un-armed reporters.
            For 2000 years you ran away from the land of your God, no wonder he spits on you.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            You only took 2000 years to make an appearance after the last time you fought a real army.
            Looking forward to tearing down the Temple again, ye desert people just cannot fight.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            It only took 2000 years before someone bought back your old lands, thanks Mr Balfour.

            The Jews themselves did jack sheet.

          • <>

            Atleast you know who owned this land in the past and who owns it today. Keep crying, what you gonna do? wanna take it from us? please try and don’t hide behind UN uniforms again like in 2006.

          • rightiswrong rightiswrong

            The people who you stole it from, and ethnically cleansed.

            You originally came from Africa before you attacked peaceful Jericho.

    • verner

      ukrainian troops successfully managed to down a jet loaded brimful with jews over the black sea. the ukies used a buk-missile with an efficient roof of say 10000 meter and the israeli jet was at 12000 m but the buk stretched out and hit the israeli jet even at such an elevated height. it went down in the black sea, survivors 0. your notion that russian air defenses are useless against 4th/5th generation fighter jets is a free fantasy from someone afraid of the dark and the next holocaust in the middle east will prove that israel is as hollow as as an empty bag and that the iron dome will become the iron doom kakaboooom when the missiles start arriving from the caspian sea in droves and hail down on the godless thieves and murderers presently squatting on palestinian land.

      • AM Hants

        Didn’t the old S-200 system that Syria have, take down one of Israel’s new F35s or was it a bird that took out the expensive piece of rubbish?

  • Jens Holm

    I wonder why Russians dont tell, that the passengers detonated themselves…

    A very good thing for Internet is, we dont have to take so many trees down to make paper for those many rapports.

  • Doom Sternz

    I could never work out why MH17’s course was deviated over a war zone. Now i know it was so that NATO could attack the Donbass. Cold blooded premeditated mass murder, NATO purposely shot down MH17 as a cover to place 9000 troops in the Donbass.

    The leading independent investigator of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 disaster, has revealed breakthrough evidence of tampering and forging of prosecution materials; suppression of Ukrainian Air Force radar tapes; and lying by the Dutch, Ukrainian, US and Australian governments.

    The Malaysian Government’s evidence for judging the JIT’s witness testimony, photographs, video clips, and telephone tapes have been manipulated by the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU), and to be inadmissible in a criminal prosecution in a Malaysian or other national or international court.

    Also the Malaysian Government reveals how it got in the way of attempts the US was organizing during the first week after the crash to launch a NATO military attack on eastern Ukraine. The cover story for that was to rescue the plane, passenger bodies, and evidence of what had caused the crash. In fact, the operation was aimed at defeating the separatist movements in the Donbass, and to move against Russian-held Crimea.

    It was revealed that a secret Malaysian military operation took custody of the MH17 black boxes on July 22, preventing the US and Ukraine from seizing them. The Malaysian operation, revealed by the Malaysian Army colonel who led it, eliminated the evidence for the camouflage story, reinforcing the German Government’s opposition to the armed attack, and forcing the Dutch to call off the invasion on July 27.

    Why was MH17 altitude reduced? For the record the SU25 manufacturers have indicated that a variant of the SU25 sold to Ukraine can operate at the height levels that MH17 was reduced to, that of course is the point in asking why the decrease in altitude, ie to make it within strike range of the variant SU25 sold to Ukraine.

    This act alone shows that it was premeditated. An egregious crime perpetrated by Banderites (Fascist West Ukrainians).

    For the damage to occur on the left side of MH17 (as it flies) it is impossible for the damage to occur as it has if it was BUK missile fired from the location indicated, ie the JIT report is complete fiction.

    Also why was a large group of air defense systems deployed to the militia-held regions just before the tragedy? Especially considering that the self-defense forces have no planes. Also on the day of the crash Kiev intensified Kupol-M1 9S18 radar activity, key BUK targeting system components. Where they providing targeting information to the SU-25’s?

    • AM Hants

      Must admit, I do love it when people keep asking questions and refuse to walk away from the story. 17 July 2014, when NATO finished ‘Exercise Breeze’, in the Black Sea, with an Aegist Destroyer and the exercise was based on ‘air traffic communication’. Funny, how they have no intention of sharing their radar intelligence, with those trying to put the pieces of the jigsaw together.

      • אהרון

        Remind me: After Russia finally released their raw radar data in 2016 (you may recall Russia claimed the data was deleted the day MH-17 was destroyed) how many aircraft appeared on Russian radar near MH-17 and, of those aircraft, how many were military in nature?

    • Bruno Giordano

      You only need to look at the route in the flightplan, Malaysia Airlines’, (fact #1), and the geographic coordinates of where the black boxes stopped working, or where the plane disappeared off the (Russian) radar, or even where the pieces of the plane came down (fact #2) and measure the distance, to know that the course was not deviated. Have you checked those facts? What is the distance between the centerline of the designated airway (L980) and the point where the flight data recorder stopped? I’ll tell you: 6.7 kilometers. That airway (L980) is 10 nautical miles (18 kilometers) wide. MH17 was well between the borders of the planned airway. Another airliner, flight SIA351 (Singapore Airlines), was about two minutes behind MH17. That also debunks the intentionally “deviated” theory.

      MH17’s altitude wasn’t “reduced” either. Again you need to look at the flightplan. It tells you that the planned altitude when entering Ukraine’s airspace was 33,000 ft. It was planned that the plane would ascend to an altitude of 35,000 ft near waypoint PEKIT, after 2/3 of its route over Ukraine. That didn’t happen. According to the ATC log, the pilots were asked to ascend, but decided to stay at the level of 33,000ft (in fact they asked for 34,000 ft, but that was not availble). The difference, just 2000 ft, is insignificant for any serious weapon, and this includes an “upgraded” SU-25. If it works on 33,000 ft, it also works on 35,000. Another point regarding this “theory” is that according to Russian radar data there has not been any fighter jet anywhere near MH17. Russia has given up that fighter jet theory. It’s now all about the BUK.

      The only “leading independent investigator” is the JIT. Any other organisation that claims to be leading and/or independent just lies. They simply don’t have access to the evidence that the JIT has collected, so their “evidence” can only be based on speculations, assumptions, fantasies and even lies.

      • Doom Sternz

        You just hate Russia so much right……you can dress it up any way you like, you can continue the lies but the recorded truth says otherwise……https://www.globalresearch.ca/support-mh17-truth-osce-monitors-identify-shrapnel-like-holes-indicating-shelling-no-firm-evidence-of-a-missile-attack/5394324

        • Bruno Giordano

          “Recorded truth”? Globalresearch? Truth? Have you checked Malaysia Airlines’ flightplan? Where did MH17 come down? How far was that from the planned route?

          https://nltimes.nl/2019/11/29/massive-preparations-mh17-trial-revealed-hearings-spread-25-weeks

          • Doom Sternz

            Of course i have and the flight path was deviated over the war zone. Also the JIT report cannot physically happen, The location of the supposed launch and the impact point on MH17 is not physically possible, ie it cant fly throught the aircraft and come out the other side and explode. Eye witness reports on the day show claims of multiple aircraft in the vicinity, Russian radar shows aircraft in the vicinity of MH17, photos of damage to the cockpit area shows 30mm cannon fire. It was purposely shot down by Kiev fascist Junta who overthrew the legally elected government.

            But the JIT report makes no mention of the aircraft in the vicinity, its a fabrication. Just like the OPCW report of the Douma CW attack was a fabrication. See there is a pattern of Western propaganda here lying to the people. You are just part of the continual pattern of lies.

          • Bruno Giordano

            “Of course” you have?… well, then please show it, doom.

            “The JIT report” (which one?) makes “no mention of the aircraft in the vicinity” because there wasn’t any. As was also confirmed by the Russian authorities when they released their raw primary radar data in the Fall of 2016. “No foreign objects in the vicinity which could have caused its destruction”
            https://www.rt.com/news/360634-mh17-ukraine-radar-data/

            And recently it was comfirmed again that Russia now only believes that it was a BUK . “Both the JIT and Russia agree that the aircraft was downed by a Buk missile. Moscow, however, …..”
            https://sputniknews.com/world/201909271076907098-jit-trying-to-match-mh17-crash-probe-with-answer-prepared-beforehand—source/?utm_source=https://t.co/oHDN5IqwRU&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=9SRA&utm_campaign=URL_shortening
            “Bullet holes” have only be seen by some people who have been staring too long at photo’s on their computer screen and wanted to see bullet holes. It’s all shrapnel damage, doom. This is also Russia Russia Russia’s conclusion. They dropped all the other stupid theories, doom.

            Oh, and Globalresearch, doom …. what has that lies factory got to do with Russia Russia Russia? Isn’t it based in Canada?

  • AM Hants

    Good luck Malaysia and just reading a similar article over on Stalker Zone:

    he World Must Know the Truth: Malaysia Demands to Make All MH-17 Evidence Public… https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-world-must-know-the-truth-malaysia-demands-to-make-all-mh-17-evidence-public/