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Israeli Jamming Triggers Syrian Air Defense Systems In Damascus – Reports

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Israeli Jamming Triggers Syrian Air Defense Systems In Damascus - Reports

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At the late hours of December 8, the Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) reported that the Syrian Arab Air Defense Forces (SyAADF) opened fire at several unidentified flying objects over the Damascus International Airport.

Minutes later, the SANA deleted its report without providing any explanation. Several pro-government sources suggested that some of the SyAADF’s older systems around the Damascus International Airport were triggered by “stand-off jamming” from Israel.

Prior to the mysterious incident, a Syrian and an Iranian cargo planes landed in the Damascus International Airport. Some observers claimed that the two planes were carrying an arms shipment for Lebanese Hezbollah. If confirmed, the jamming could be considered a message from Tel Aviv to Damascus and Tehran.

The Damascus government claimed last month that the SyAADF foiled an attack by the Israeli Air Force (IAF) on military positions south of Damascus. Despite that many Israeli and Syrian oppositions sources denied these claims, they are yet to prove that anything was hit.

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  • Redadmiral

    Another story about a possible attack, which might not have been an attack. Or a story which underscores IsraHelli military hegemony in the region as jewts fly into Syrian airspace and exercise their right to jamm ‘older SAAADF equipment’ to ‘send a message’. Jewts have Not entered Syrian airspace and have not launched missiles to attack Syrian or Iranian transport A/C. If they had we would know about it. It is possible IsraHell sent in a couple of drones to scramble and jamm saaadfs that alerted a response. That is about the size of what happened…

    • Attrition47

      There’s nothing Jewt-ish about zionism; these fuckers are antisemite filth.

      • Jens Holm

        yes, you are…

        • Thraxite

          Hasbarat.

        • Attrition47

          What?

      • Thraxite

        Totally agree, Zionism does NOT equate to Judaism.

      • RichardD

        “94% say that if Jewish state “no longer existed tomorrow,” it would be a “tragedy.””

        – JEWS STRONGLY SUPPORT ISRAEL, NEW POLL SHOWS –

        https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/US-Jews-strongly-support-Israel-new-poll-shows

        • Thraxite

          There is no Jewish state only a Zionist state. So your point is skewed from the outset. How many of that 94% are Zionists who think they are Jews? Not realizing that Zionism infected the Jewish faith in the 1890s?

          • Attrition47

            Zionism was invented to replace Judaism and would have remained a despised minority view, had not Hitler massacred millions of real Jews and the US empire not had a use for a colony in the Middle East. Zionists murder Jews and Jews wouldn’t touch zionism with rubber gloves on.

          • RichardD

            What proof do you have to support your view? I haven’t seen anything to support it. Jews are the most persecuted, expelled and genocided group of miscreants per capita in human history. And this has been going on for thousands of years. Long before Zionism ever existed in it’s current form. Zionism has nothing to do with it.

          • Hisham Saber

            You actually believe the Holocaust was not the biggest hoax of the 20th century? wow.

          • Abe Manhattan

            sure, if the French hand’t falsely convicted Dreyfus of spying for the Germans in 1894, Herzel wouldn’t have been moved to write his book, the jewish state, and start the modern zionist movement. But, all these things happened. You can blame the French for the current middle east problems.

          • Attrition47

            The Dreyfus persecution was a symptom, not a cause. Pogroms in Tsarist Russia were far more influential.

          • RichardD

            94% of Jews disagree with you.

            A Jew is someone who belongs to a Jewish congregation, was married in a synagogue, buried in a Jewish cemetery, or has 1 parent or grandparent who was, depending on which generally recognized definition of the term used by Jews that you want to use.

          • Promitheas Apollonious

            jews get their nationality from their mothers not their fathers. So if you not born by a jew woman you not considered a jew.

          • RichardD

            That’s only one way, orthodox, reformed recognizes both 1 generation back to maternal and or paternal, and secular recognizes both to either a male or female grand parent 2 generations back, like the government of Israel.

          • Thraxite

            again, if the Jewish religion was infected in the 1890s, your talking about zionists who think they are jews, not actual jews.so those 94% who disagree with me, probably don’t even realise they’ve been corrupted, after all, the people they’ve been raised to trust are telling them they are practicing jews. They might not even know that its been corrupted, afterall no-one is alive today who was around when it happened.

          • RichardD

            Your comment isn’t supported by credible evidence. And you haven’t provided any. Because your claim doesn’t make sense and is false.

          • Thraxite
          • RichardD

            You want me to watch 3 hours of video because you can’t link to a simple credible synopsis to prove your point? I’m familiar with the history of Zionism. Judaism was corrupt to the core long before modern Zionism. As the post that your replied to clearly illustrates. Jews hid the Talmud from non Jews for thousands of years because it’s so corrupt. They rape 1,000 children a week worldwide. Zionism has nothing to do with it. Other than it gives them a place to indulge in their depravity unhindered.

          • RichardD

            More nonsense. How do videos about Zionist crimes prove your point? The only thing that they prove is that you can’t prove your point.

          • Thraxite

            Yeah your right, your anti-orthodox gif made by someone too gutless to put their name on it, stating facts that are cited from nowhere, who got their information from wherever and quote a zionist rag from a zionist nation in the Jpost is far more compelling than named Jewish directors citing information that is cited in the credits. You obviously don’t know how to discriminate between sources. Well luckily for you I’ve been trained to do it for over 30 years, so I’m more than willing to allow the facts I’ve shown be judged on their merits. Your uncited and unsigned meme just doesn’t add up and nor does any paper that has links to the disgustingly corrupted Benjamin Netanyahu who is yet again up for graff. Which has to do with influence in that rag you quoted.

          • RichardD

            You didn’t answer the question.

          • Hisham Saber

            The Talmudic Rabbinical Jewsih Faith itself is an infection. Humanity needs to deal with it asap.

  • Ricky Miller

    Last month’s attack is now confirmed as a total failure. Despite some claims to the contrary, including by Imperial trolls here on SF, there has been no confirmations of any damage or deaths last month from an Israeli strike. Images were posted on social media of a ground explosion but that was most likely an intercepted missile exploding against the ground short of it’s target. Again, no deaths or damage reported by SAA, Hezbollah or Iranian sources, even among those who have admitted readily such losses and difficulties in the past. And this failure despite the fact that the S300 system is not yet under the control of Syrian forces. If Israel has been reduced to such stunts as distance jamming attempts and long speculative strikes than that tells us a lot about Russian technical capability in both air defense and electronic warfare. From all evidence so far, Russia’s air denial capability is enough to hold Imperial forces at bay, at least for the time being. No wonder the S400 system is so virulently hated and targeted by American sanctioners.

    • Patriotic_White_American

      Stop lol. Syria has shot down a single plane in 40 years. It’s a garbage system and you just can’t handle it

      Syria is losing the war until they take the Golan back, everything else is chest beating.

      • RichardD

        After the blood sucking Jew pedophiles lost so many planes to Soviet systems in 73. They changed tactics and started avoiding them with manned aircraft.

        • Patriotic_White_American

          S400 radar is so shitty it couldn’t spot an F16 trailing behind an ELINT plane

          LMFAO

          • beypuutyina

            i am sure, they spot, but the syrian garbage stuff … simply shot on everything what flied

          • RichardD

            Your hasbara lies don’t change the IAF’s fear and avoidance of Syria’s air defense capabilities. Which is why the IAF keeps manned aircraft out of Syrian skies.

          • Marko Ivanišević

            Yes yes, but why there is no Israel plane near Syrian sky? When you answer on that question you will know that you are Trol.

          • Human kind is doomed

            Nice of you for supporting criminal regimes and racist ideology!
            PS Ask israeli pilots how they feel when their cockpit starts to beeps and flash just upon they takeoff…

          • verner

            in fact, white american homeboy, is that you should be ashamed that your country is reduced to be the errand boy of israeli thieves. they stole washington dc right under the noses of the white house/capital hill morons and now you can’t do squat about it. you’re the joke of the century!!

          • Hisham Saber

            In fact this is true. The U.S. has been reduced to being the idiot savant of Israel and international Jewry.

          • Stephan Williams

            You can be assured that “Patriotic White American” is not remotely patriotic, nor is he white OR American. He is in all likelihood a pimple-faced whiner tapping keys in his mommy’s Tel Aviv basement.

          • Selbstdenker

            Never try to argue with a moron. You cannot beat him on his home turf. Advice for your uneducated small mind: read more Brzezinski and dream on, but leave your comments with your American patriots. They need it more the ever.

          • You can call me Al

            That was a S-200 you gimp. the same model as shot down the Israel F-16.

          • You Americans are idiots and murderers on all of your wars in this planet.you must be stopped,before 3 WW is there.

          • Joe

            Morons posting moronic stupidity .

            USA is toast today globally.

          • #’~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

            Yeah, sure baby, that is why the US is so obsessed with stopping other countries from buying them. You got it all figured out haven’t you?

          • Ricky Miller

            He knows so much more than American War planners and pilots who have invested tons of time and resources into figuring ways to circumvent the S400. According to the Whitey Patriot they need not bother and Turkish and Indian military tech minds who convinced their government to spend billions on the system in order to control their own airspace must be know nothing stupid too.

          • #’~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

            Hey, nobody is as smart as those ZioNazis & their transatlantic lapdog!!

          • Patriotic_White_American

            But those Governments also purchased huge amounts of F35’s which runs contrary to your narrative, retard.

          • Hisham Saber

            Havent all F-35’s the world over been grounded due to technical issues? So much for that flying garbage truck.

          • Patriotic_White_American

            Who would win

            A state of the art Russian SU25 vs a shoulder fired rocket in Syria

            Lmao

          • Patriotic_White_American

            Lol you dummy those sanctions are to damage Russia financially. The US hacked the S400 and every single detail about it within days of its production

            They’re called the NSA and they can do what was thought as impossible on computers systems and electronics

          • #’~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

            If they hacked the S400 system, why are they so obsessed with Russia’s sales of it?
            You’re just talking out of your a.s.s.

          • Stephan Williams

            Jews lie. How could the imbecile calling himself PWA do anything else? Its what they do.

          • Ricky Miller

            The S400 radar has never been turned on in Syria. The Russians have it there as a deterrent but admitted last month that the S400 system has never emitted, as they’ve tried to keep the situation de-escalated. Only in your sick war pig mind does that equal weakness.

          • Brian Michael Bo Pedersen

            The F-35 is so shitty it cant even fly straight on a clear and calm day.

            Know your military history and you will see that Russia have always been the master of airdefence, the US once was the master of the air, but you got fat and lazy, thats why your so called “cutting edge” military hardware cant fly even in good weather.

            And ask the Serbs and Syrians how “good” US “Stealth” technology is!

            I do not assume that you know anything other what the MSM tells you so allow me to educate you:

            Stealth does not mean invisible, it never has, the correct technical term is “Low observable”, meaning that it is hard to detect, but not invisible.
            Anmything with a mass has a surface, and anything with a surface can be detected.

          • Patriotic_White_American

            Stealth is a 40 year old F16 plane ramming a handful of missiles up SAA ass right next to an S400 battery in Latakia

            LOL

          • Angelo Cinarelli

            Are you shure? Why do not try with F35? Whash your mounth before talk.

          • stary ujo

            For F-16 is enogh S-200 ! Why Israel has worry to entry Syrian space ? They are shitty to pans !

      • verner

        the truth of the matter is that the disunited states of morons (america) and the israel thieves only attack when the attacked can’t defend itself (numerous examples available) so the fact that no israeli planes have been close to Syrian airspace after the arrival of the Russian S-300s tells us that israel and the disunited morons of america won’t chance an intrusion of Syria for that very reason and instead is now harassing Lebanon. And that won’t help them since the Hezbollah will make mince meat of the israelis, who then will have to start swimming towards say long island.

      • You can call me Al

        How is that F-16i going, or even the F-35 that was damaged ….. but said to be by birds.

        https://i.imgflip.com/2jd7ba.jpg

      • Joe

        Syria is a small country and have withstood the might of USA, Nato , ARab countries , Israel …. and you dare to come here to say otherwise?

        Assad can be considered the Great if not for his timid response US actions.

      • #’~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

        If that is so, why has the ZioNazi IOF not been able to attack the Syrian systems? Simple: the IOF swamp rats are incapable of taking on solid Syrian air defences, and those swamp rats are too cowardly to take on a real opponent, their specialty is defenceless civilians.

        • Patriotic_White_American

          They have attacked and caused damage. SANA just lies and Israel lets them save face to avoid backlash

          Lol

          • #’~A*QXm(>NRmm]w?dU4vXZ

            No Sir, the ZioNazis tell lies because that’s all they can do. There airforce is manned by a bunch of wimps who don’t have the guts to attack a real opponent, and when they tried they had to hide behind another plane because an old S200 system was going to take them out. LMAO, your ZioNazi s.h.i.t.hole of a statelet is fast becoming history.

          • John Whitehot

            “Israel lets them save face to avoid backlash”

            LolololololololololololoololololololololololololololLolololololololololololoololololololololololololololLolololololololololololoololololololololololololololLolololololololololololoololololololololololololololLolololololololololololoololololololololololololololLolololololololololololoololololololololololololololLolololololololololololoolololololololololololololol

      • Ricky Miller

        The Golan is a separate issue apart from America’s attempted regime change operation, now failed. Syria wins simply by not giving up. And the improved data sharing provided by Russia to the older Buk and SA series air defenses proved a qualified success at stiff arming an Israeli attack. Your inability to admit a basic fact resulting from events reveals your need to spin any and everything to some Imperial narrative. Even ISRAEL couldn’t run away from this failure fast enough, not even claiming it in the PR narrative. They probably wish people like you would just shut up…

        • Patriotic_White_American

          You were brain damaged to the point where an amateur dated video filmed in Syria shows a guided missile approaching a target and exploding on the ground and you still ranted Syria”intercepted” everything because it was incomprehensible for you to think of Russian/Syrian media lying to you

          You’re legitimately retarded

          LOL

          • Ricky Miller

            Yeah, but not so brain damaged or retarded that I can’t notice and accept faxts as they are. When Israeli strikes resume as they did before September 17 and Israel accomplishes said strikes with the impunity she enjoyed before then and only then will I admit that the improvements Russia provided including the S300 grant failed. I’m not you; I’m not going to hang my hat on some kind of phantom success. Scum.

          • Chris P

            We will blow them out of the tunnels and show them we are the boss. I agree with you. I think Trump will kick there asses man. The people just need to stand behind Trump, not infront of him. You make some really valid points about how American Nuclear Bombs are better than Russian ones. I think we should infest in more of them too. We could show them Japs what we can do. God Bless the Farmer of USA and Willy Nelson. not Ricky today

          • verner

            hey white homeboy – admirable that you so persistently route for the disunited states of morons which tells us that you most likely is being slow-lobotomized by too much fatty fast food and a dearth of intelligent information. but that’s all right
            since facts speak for themselves, that the disunited states of morons haven’t successfully concluded a war in more than 70 years and the morons in the white house have failed to book a solid win – pathetic.

            Korea, vietnam, iraq, and so on and so forth so basically you haven’t a lot to be proud of, being the servant of tel aviv – truly pathetic!

          • Patriotic_White_American

            We won all those wars. The US runs Iraq, Persian Gulf war a turkey shoot of Russian junk. North Korea and China lost the Korean War because their invasion of be South failed and was pushed back. The US ALWAYS wins

          • verner

            sure, like the un general assembly laughed at trump when he bragged about his bravado as a president, the world laughs at the disunited states of collected american morons, today. you just don’t have it any more. ludicrous, when the white house moron is laughed off the flor in the united nations. embarrassing.

      • Hisham Saber

        And the Golan will be retaken, just relax. The forces aligned against Israel are just making final preparations.

        • Patriotic_White_American

          The last time they fought the Israelis over the Golan they got their asses kicked ;)

          • Chris P

            You are so correct. You show these haters. America showed the Vietnamese and Koreans who is boss. We kicked some ass bro. I remember USA kicking Sadam’s ass too. We kicked Al-Queda ass too, Bin Laden is dead and what he stood for is all but extinguished. Look at them Iranian terrorist, I remember what they did in the 80ties. We kicked ass in Cuba too. We got the best planes in world also, th F-35 which is faster than any Russian missile. Our Nuclear Bombs are made with Viranium, the strongest metal in the world. Look it up. God Bless America.

          • John Whitehot

            better think about all the asskickings you have gotten rather than those of Syria

      • Zionism = EVIL

        and you should know about beating your little meat :)

        • Chris P

          Snitzel is from Europe my friend and quite common to beat meat to make it more tender. In USA, We eat Chicken Cordon Blue and go hunting. You can beat meat too from the Animals you kill. How dare you talk about America. We are supperior to anyone, you Son of a Gun. Who Enslaved Black people who made music? America invented Rock and Roll man. Smarten up, go put a yellow vest on and drink some read wine, I should kick you ass, but I do not believe in violence

      • Brian Michael Bo Pedersen

        If you know anything at all about the war in Syria, the you would know that Assad is winning, and he is winning big.

        Syria have not started wars to keep a corrupt and rotten military complex alive, so they do not need to shoot down planes.

        US on the other hand is in a sad state after the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and illegally entering in Syria, and the mess with that dillusional dude you call president, he has absolutely no idea how to run a country, but the really sad thing is that so many keep voting for him, the are as blind as bats with a hood over them.

        The US is a desperate little kid screaming and yelling for attention, and would gladly waste American and foreign lives for that, and if that demands creating terroist and false flag operations, then so be it.

    • Vote GOP

      You do realize the only plane being shot down, was Russian… by the Russian or Syrians… cough cough…

      • Joe

        stupid post

      • Ricky Miller

        You do realize that was the September incident and I’m talking about a coordinated defense against missile attack. And I did vote GOP in 2016 but won’t again. Despite what was promised in the campaign it has now turned into a neocon nightmare

      • Zionism = EVIL

        Do you realize that you could use a brain :) cough …cough …wink .. wink…nudge..nudge..fudge… packer ;)

    • Zionism = EVIL

      Zionist scum are jumpy now and that is good.

  • Manuel Flores Escobar

    Not Jamming…SAF shoot 2 ground to air missile towards Golan Heights as a armed Drone was flying over there in a warning measure out of the range of the missile to avoid an attack vs Damascus airport where Irani B 747 and SAF Il 76 arrived from Iran!…

  • Tudor Miron

    I wander who’s the author of this article. Sounds very pro Israeli.

    • Jens Holm

      As usual, You do Your best to deny facts.

      You probatly also write they cry and are afraid. Israelians and we anre not learned to do that.

      Of course its expected that we upgrade our systems too. Some S300 or 400 or even Sams dont rule the world alone just as anciant rusians tanks.

      • Thraxite

        What? I don’t understand the point you are trying to make. Everything you have written is gibberish, please try again.

        • Bigaess Wangmane

          Jens is a well known Hasbarat on SouthFront that says absolutely nothing in so many words.

          • Jens Holm

            Pro Israeli – Why ?? How ??

            Its no Israeli thing to try to defend Yourself. Damaskus give a try by Russia. So next step is same thing by escalation.

            Pro Israeli is normal and used all over the world. People use raincoats and umbralles as well and cold clothe in winter.

        • H Eccles

          no one ever understands any point he may be trying to make.. it’s rumoured he’s just a jewbot that is due a software upgrade..

    • You can call me Al

      Jared Corey Kushner

  • Thraxite

    “If confirmed, the jamming could be considered a message from Tel Aviv to Damascus and Tehran.” Would that message be “we can no longer bomb you”?

  • beypuutyina
  • Patriotic_White_American

    You wish it was older systems that got jammed 😆

  • Patriotic_White_American

    “Minutes later, the SANA deleted its report without providing any explanation”

    Who woulda thunk?

  • R Trojson

    So just as I predicted on this very forum Russia’s air defense systems have been hacked. Even that little tiny Israel knows how to get them to fire at will. Very sad when Russia’s air defense systems spoofed into firing while real Russian planes are overhead. What a joke.

    • Brother Ma

      Nothing but wishful thinking on your part.

    • Nod

      you babble ignorance as knowledge. Unfortunately for you we dont think ignorance is knowledge.

    • Daniel Miller

      now you are looking like a even bigger idiot…

    • RichardD

      The IAF is the joke. If they could fly over Syria like they used to without getting shot down they would. But they can’t, so they don’t. The same goes for the rest of those illegally in Syrian skies. Who used to be over 100%, and have been backed out of 70% without a shot being fired.

  • Promitheas Apollonious

    The tittle should been, attempts of israeli jamming triggers air defense systems in damaskus.

  • Mohale

    Rubbish, Israel do not send a warning, they are cowards who will attack,especially were they know they will not get a response. weak opponents are their bread and butter.

  • verner

    richardD, thraxite et al, you’re quibbling about nothing- zionism, judaism or whatever, just stick to the one issue that is relevant – israel- israel and israel. do not get bogged down in a quagmire you won’t get out of.

    just remember that israel at one stage was welcomed and recognized into the world as a state, but such welcome was tentative on that the new state adhered to basic facts of being a state, respect of human life/beings, respect of international law, and so on and so forth. israel has failed in all such regards and has breached the foremost stipulation in the balfour declaration. thus after some 100 years it is time to say – israel has forfeited any and all rights to exist as a sovereign state and all those countries that at one stage recognized the country should now start to DE-RECOGNIZE the not so democratic israel,

    in fact it is time to declare israel a terror-country and that any economical transfers are forbidden, by jewish organisations, by private parties or synagogues etc (since israel can’t survive without extensive subsidies an economic shortfall occasioned by such international order would finish off israel for good.

    and the third,leg to discontinue israel is boycott, boycott and boycott anything made in israel. thus join the BDS-movement now and israel will be toast before netanyahu has served out his prison-term.

    three easy points toward a world free of israel.

  • Kristina Rain Mcleod

    Like or lump it the fact remains: Russians deploying S300 in Syria – Israeli air strikes and toss bombing STOPS.

    Its obvious whats happened. To lose an f35 to an s300 would OBLITERATE future contracts for tge most expensive plane the us has produced. Whether its good or bad means little next to the COST of purchasing multiple aircraft, contracts for maintenance, contracts for munitions, training if necessary personnel etc etc etc. Its in the fucking bilkions over a decade at least.

    The Israelis and the US lose no money snd infact gain possible buyers with the dramatic drop in airstrikes. It puts no planes at risk and puts potential buyers on the edge of their seats. They will be begging ti be told about every detail of ots capabilities as they sit around a large table with us arms ckntractors hammering out a contract for 2 dozens planes, parts and service for 10 yrs etc.

    C’mon this is easy stuff guys

  • verner

    just one thing – it’s quite obvious that the morons in the white house/pentagon are looking for another war to lose and in this particular case, they are egged on by the israelites who can play the white house like a virtuoso. unfortunately, a lot of people will suffer but rest assured the disunited states of mongrels, headed by trumpelidump will lose and israel will be null and void and its thieving inhabitants swimming towards cyprus. that will be something to behold!

  • bigcrawfish

    American F-18’s and F-22’s have never stopped flying over Syria and never will until our soldiers leave Syria. They are not challenged for one simple reason, we can easily defeat any S-300/400/500 system out there with swarms of LCCM’s. One B2 can drop up to 60 of these small LCCM’s (low cost cruise missiles) that will swarm and destroy any AA system out there including our own. Putler and ASSad know this so they don’t challenge our aircraft with their advanced systems. If they did and we destroyed them, they’d never sell another one. Furthermore, the Russian and Syrian jets are no match for America’s jets. F-22’s fly cover on most missions and it is unmatched. America has long ago been able to false AA systems. We will broadcast a signal of “yesterday’s” air traffic to your radars while our missiles hit. Then we’ll broadcast a signal of some massive attack and make the AA fire its missiles at nothing. Syria and Russia fired 60 AA missiles at nothing “after” the last American missile attack. They never shot down a single missile of ours. Dear ragheads and communists, you’re outgunned. Quit bragging, you look foolish.

    • John Whitehot

      you can’t do anything.

      F-18 and F-22 are free to fly because they can’t use their radar, and they can’t change the outcome of the war.

      the money spent in the fuel they waste would be better put into building schools and hospitals in the US cities ghettos.

      • bigcrawfish

        That’s BS. They fly with radars on. Trump told everybody don’t attack al Tanf or the Kurds in western Syria. The Russians tried attacking al Tanf and they were slaughtered 300-0 by the US Marines with air cover and artillery. The Turkeys and Syrians have both threatened to attack the Kurds (who defeated ISIS when the Russians and Syrians got their butts kicked) but Trump said no. Don’t even think about attacking Americans or their allies – you’ll find out about our radars.

        • John Whitehot

          you know nothing but propaganda.