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Israel Is Hiding That Its State-Of-Art F-35 Warplane Was Hit By Syrian S-200 Missile – Reports

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Israel Is Hiding That Its State-Of-Art F-35 Warplane Was Hit By Syrian S-200 Missile - Reports

Illustrative image: Israeli Air Force F-35 warplanes

It looks that the Israeli “demonstration of power” during the recent visit of Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has turned into a total failure.

On October 16, Shoigu arrived Israel for meetings with Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The sides were reportedly set to discuss the situation in the region, including Syria, the fight against terrorism as well as military and technical cooperation.

At the same day, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) claimed that its warplanes targeted an anti-aircraft battery of the Syrian Air Defense Forces that had launched a missile at Israeli aircraft flying over Lebanon.

The IDF added that the Syrian missile didn’t hit any Israeli aircraft.

“The army targeted the battery with four bombs and, according to the IDF, the battery was damaged to the extent it was no longer operational. The army said the battery targeted was the same that fired at Israeli jets last March, prompting Israel make use of its Arrow anti-missile system for the first time,” the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported on the issue.

The Syrian military confirmed the Israeli strikes and said that they caused “material damage.”

It’s interesting to note that, according to the Syrian Defense Ministry statement, Israeli warplanes violated Syria’s airspace on the border with Lebanon in Baalbek area. The incident took place at 8:51 am local time.

Could the Israeli Air Force intentionally provoke the reaction from the Syrian military in order to justify the strike on the Syrian air defense battery?

Furthermore, some pro-Israeli experts and media activists clearly linked the incident with the visit of the Russian defense minister to Tel Aviv saying that it was a nice demonstration of power to the Russian-Iranian-Syrian alliance.

However, something went wrong.

According to the available information, the Syrian Defense Forces used a S-200 missile against the Israeli warplane. This Soviet-made missile is the most advanced long range anti-aircraft system opearated by the Syrian military. Even in this case, it’s old-fashioned in terms of the modern warfare.

Despite this, the Syrian Defense Ministry said in its statement that government forces responded to the violation of the airspace and “directly hit one of the jets, forcing [Israeli aircraft] to retreat.” This statement contradicts to the Israeli claim that “no hit” was confirmed.

Few hours after the missile incident with Syria, the Israeli media reported that the Israeli Air Force’s F-35 stealth multirole fighter went unserviceable as a result of an alleged bird collision during a training flight.

The incident allegedly took place “two weeks ago” but was publicly reported only on October 16. However, Israeli sources were not able to show a photo of the F-35 warplane after the “bird collision”.

Furthermore, it is not clear if the F-35 can become operational again because its stealth coating was damaged. Thus, according to the Israeli version, the warplane reportedly became no longer operational after the bird collision despite the fact that the F-35 earlier passed the bird strike certification with great results (official info here). The F-35 is the world’s most expensive warplane. The price of developing the F-35 is now about $406.5 billion.

Israel is actively buying the world’s self-proclaimed most advanced fighter paying about $100 million for each plane.

So what did really hit the F-35?

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Zainab Ali

best news ever …. zionist satanic arrogance hit at bull’s eye … kudos indeed to syria and russia

Cobras

S-200s downing F-35s, now that’s some good news.

MikeH

The warhead of a S-200 missile is 217kg of explosives. If it hit a F-35, the fighter would not survive. I doubt the missile hit the plane at all

Jason H. Smith

The warhead consists of 16,000 × 2g fragmentation pellets and 21,000 × 3.5g fragmentation pellets.

Manuel Flores Escobar

S-200 can explote near F-35 as that missile has Via-tracking system and the operator active the warhead near the aircraft and parts can hit the plane!

Turbofan

was about to say the same

Cobras

Do you know that the missile warhead can explode far enough to cause some kind of damage instead of a direct explosion, right? There are infinite amounts of scenarios (distance, angle and direction) that the missile could have triggered its ordnance, thus damaging the F-35 (instead of total destruction).

Solomon Krupacek

explode far

so, no hit

wwinsti

Some people do not understand the concept of a proximity fuse. That, or they Read an article about modern missiles being kinetic and extrapolate that to all SAM’s.

Brother Ma

Yes i heard russian missiles can still kill with near miss but us zio weapons must hit for sure to kill.

Solomon Krupacek

and they hit.
advanced technology

FlorianGeyer

Tell that to the thousands of civilians murdered with advanced US technology Solomon. Including the residents of Gaza.

Andrew

The fuse on the S-200 is proximity or command, though.

Brandmand for Bidermeyer

Correction: High explosive fragmentary warhead. It shoots out heavy splinters in all directions

FlorianGeyer

Syria has many ‘tough old birds’ that can still fly :)

MikeH

I’d rather fly a Mig-21 in a dogfight vs a F-35.

Solomon Krupacek

:DDDDDDDDDDDDD masochist

Stein

it (or most planes) would never get in dogfight range but if they did the F35 is toast

Tudor Miron

That’s a mistake (to think so) similar to Vietnam war era thoughts that guns are absolete and AA rockets is the culprit.

BMWA1

Sopwith Camel would do me.

drbhelthi

Which version of the MiG 21 would you choose ?

ruca

The free version, but without ads)) I think any of them would successfully take on the F35. А stands for Flying turkey.

drbhelthi

Neat, LOL !

Is the MiG21 much more aerobatic or the F35CF so incredibly clumsy ?

ruca

The legendary MIG21 Interceptor vs the Flying turkey ))))

Greg

American ordnance is massively overhyped and overpriced. I wouldn’t be surprised if the F-35 turns out to be an extremely average waste of money.

Tudor Miron

Well it is not average… in terms of sums wasted.

Nigel Maund

How about outrageous waste of taxpayers money?

Virgil Cane

us ordnance is not at all overhyped at all. no country makes ordnance of quality comparable. now the f-35 – a fighter jet – is a different story; an over engineered, over complicated tool of war (its not ordnance)

BMWA1

At a bare minimum, the story indicates that the outdated S200 system can target the modern ‘stealth’ tech of the FF35, at 0.1% of the price.

Vince Dhimos

Even the National Interest reports that the F-35 is way overpriced and that the Russian Su-35 (which costs a third as much) can outmaneuver it. It is hard to believe that the Israelis were stupid enough to waste their money on these. Time to switch to Russian technology. Oh, and time to stay away from Syrian air space too. Perhaps the Russians will replace those S-200s with S-300s or S-400s.

Don Machiavelli

they didn’t spend shekel, it’s free under military aid

Vince Dhimos

Ha. The only way they could unload the white elephants, I guess. LOL

Solomon Krupacek

i wander, whether su-35 will be superior to f-35 in the first sachalin war?

Lud Van Daal

Small correction, Israel does not buy the planes. They get them from the US for free.

Jaime Galarza

That’s not a small correction. That’s a huge correction: 100 million a piece.

JPH

Underestimation.

χρηστος

you mistake the assistance tthat US gives to many NATO coutries in weapons with the F-35 programm. Us aided israel with Xmillion $ every year which translates to free weapons deliveries or spare parts. But the F-35 programm is indipendent each country that has them buys them for many many millions of $

AlexanderAmproz

NATO Countries are “obliged” to buy F-35.
to please their boss !

Seventy years of harassing political establishment and people of Europe

http://www.voltairenet.org/article190171.html

χρηστος

thats the way things work. in the entire world….US gives aid (lets say obsolete M113s) and you have to buy f-16s.

VeeNarian (Yerevan)

This must be the case of “you scratch my back (buy expensive and useless equipment) or I will scratch your eyes out (colour revolutions, occupations etc)”.

AlexanderAmproz

NATO is part of Europe American Cancer !

Jens Holm

Yes, and we hope You will die soon. Unfortunatly its not appropriate to start with making Damaskus to a lake.

AlexanderAmproz

US/NATO want also to turn Europe and Russia into a lake too,
NATO is US N A Z I
US like it or not, Russia is part of Europe
Educated Jews are automatically anti-Zionist

Anglo-American Money Owners Organized World War II
http://www.voltairenet.org/article187508.html

Jens Holm

It is too sometimes but not always as A.A. try to make us buy as some cheep schratching.

Denmark has the Thule Airbase in Greenland North East. It protect us from Russia but also get us depended. Its a fair trade being protacted and pay for it.

Valery Grigoryev

Why are you sure, that Russia is a threat for Denmark, Jens?
It’s an absurd. We are normal civilised people like you.
Please, don’t believe the cold war fairy tales.

Jens Holm

We are not oblieged.

You can only find about 5 which fit into our needs. 2 are american and F35 is the most advanced.

And when we buy its a part of a trade. Many parts are often made by ourselves, and if we have to bouy for so many millions from them, they have to buy a lot from us too.

AlexanderAmproz

Europe should join Russia and buy SU-35
and end-up US NeoColonialism over Europe.
Culturally, Europe without Russia is orphan !

vet vetlesen

“American warmongers are Genociders by Nature,
just have a look at what they did in Japan, Korea, Vietnam,
Laos, Cambodia, Indonesia, Timor, Afghanistan
for Asia NeoColonialism.”

List_of_wars_involving_Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

AlexanderAmproz

Pearl Harbor was self inflicted,
Hollywood isn’t reliable for History,
but for Propaganda !

If interested by South-East Asia History,
— Professor Alfred McCoy is the reference,
— Noam Chomsky is good too !
— Sterling Seagrave “The Yamato Dynasty”
is also a very good and interesting book

vet vetlesen

“Eisenhower, Churchill, and Stalin were worst
than Hitler.”

And how, exactly, would you explain that?

AlexanderAmproz

Image control by the Medias, only speak good about peoples
they want to promote and the opposite, even invent for who they
want to drown.
Who want to kill his dog, will say he has rabies

— Was Churchill largely responsible for the Bengal famine of 1943?
https://www.quora.com/Was-Churchill-largely-responsible-for-the-Bengal-famine-of-1943
— Anglo-American Money Owners Organized World War II
http://www.voltairenet.org/article187508.html

— Stalin Gulag victims were about 70 Millions, Gulag Managers and Butchers were mostly Jews according
to Alexandre Soljenitsyne last book…
Frozen feet and hands were cut with metal saw without
anesthesia and cauterize with red iron

Fox News and Hollywood aren’t enough to learn,
you look very ignorant and naive.
Ask Irish how many Queen Victoria did she “Genocide”
by starvation with the Catholic Clergy help, 7 or 10 Millions ?

If interested, may I suggest you to go in an University Library ?

vet vetlesen

“If interested, may I suggest you to go in an University Library ?”

In what University book do you find that Churchill was worse than Hitler?

jerry hamilton

As a Brit, I will try to reply.
Yes, Churchill starved millions of Asian Indians by stealing their food.
That alone should make him evil.
The thing is, he loved war. He got off on it.
Before the start of WW1, as First Lord of the Admiralty, he sent ships to a position where Germany felt very threatened. HE was trying to start a war.
WW2. Britain declared war on Germany.
You can’t blame Chamberlain because Churchill was calling the shots.
That is why Chamberlain disappeared so fast.
He declared war for all the wrong reasons.
Well he had a large estate, he had been unemployed and had The Focus Group support him while he had no income.
Basically, he was bought and paid for.
The Poles had been killing Germans in Danzig and the corridor.
The land that was taken from Germany at the Versailles Treaty and given to Poland..
Hitler had told Poland he would invade if they continued.
He also told Chamberlain to make the murders stop, or he, Hitler would.
Chamberlain promised he would make the mass murders stop.
He didn’t.
Hitler made it stop. When he had, he requested peace.
He said he would pull all his troops out of Poland and resort to peace.
The last thing every country expected was for Churchill to refuse peace.
Churchill wanted war.
Because of that, how many died?
A lot more than the 6 million that was being reported by zionists since the year 1900. Google it.
Sometimes, discovering what happened can make you an outcast.

Kell

Churchill was given a personal loan from Baron Rothschild to bail out his personal gambling debts in the 1930s.

jerry hamilton
AlexanderAmproz

Anglo-American Money Owners Organized World War II

by Valentin Katasonov

To mark the 70th anniversary of the Victory against Nazism, we publish a study of Valentin Katasonov on financing of the NSDAP and the rearmament of the Third Reich. The author deals with new documents that confirm the organization of the Second World War by US and UK Bankers, covered by President Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, in the hope of destroying the USSR. This study raises new questions that will be addressed in a future article.

Hjalmar Schacht (left), Hitler’s finance minister, with his close friend Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England from 1920 to 1944. According to documents reveled by the Bank of England in 2012, he Czechoslovak gold was held in London in a sub-account in the name of the Bank for International Settlements, the Basel-based bank for central banks. When the Nazis marched into Prague in March 1939 they immediately sent armed soldiers to the offices of the National Bank. The Czech directors were ordered, on pain of death, to send two transfer requests. The first instructed the BIS to transfer 23.1 metric tons of gold from the Czechoslovak BIS account, held at the Bank of England, to the Reichsbank BIS account, also held at Threadneedle Street. The second order instructed the Bank of England to transfer almost 27 metric tons of gold held in the National Bank of Czechoslovakia’s own name to the BIS’s gold account at the Bank of England.

The war was not unleashed by frenzied Fuhrer who happened to be ruling Germany at the time. WWII is a project created by world oligarchy or Anglo-American “money owners”. Using such instruments as the US Federal Reserve System and the Bank of England they started to prepare for the next world conflict of global scale right after WWI. The USSR was the target.

The Dawes and Young Plans, the creation of Bank of International Settlements (BIS), the Germany’s suspension of reparations payments it had to pay according to Paris Peace Treaty and the acquiescence of Russia’s former allies in this decision, large-scale foreign investments into the economy of Third Reich, the militarization of German economy and the breaches of Paris Treaty provisions – they all were important milestones on the way of preparing the war.

There were key figures behind the plot: the Rockefellers, the Morgans, Lord Montagu Norman (the Governor of the Bank of England), Hjalmar Schacht (President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics in the Hitler’s government).The strategic plan of Rockefellers and Morgans was to subjugate Europe economically, saturate Germany with foreign investments and credits and make it deliver a crushing blow against the Soviet Russia so that it would be returned into the world capitalist system as a colony.

Montagu Norman (1871 – 1950) played an important role of go-between to keep up a dialogue between American financial circles and Germany’s business leaders. Hjalmar Schacht organized the revival of Germany’s defense sector of economy. The operation conducted by “money owners” was covered up by such politicians as Franklin Roosevelt, Neville Chamberlain and Winston Churchill. In Germany the plans were carried out by Hitler and Hjalmar Schacht. Some historians say Hjalmar Schacht played a more important role than Hitler. Simply Schacht kept away from spotlight.

The Dawes Plan was an attempt following World War I for the Triple Entente to compromise and collect war reparations debt from Germany. The Dawes Plan (as proposed by the Dawes Committee, chaired by Charles G. Dawes) was an attempt in 1924 to solve the reparations problem, which had bedeviled international politics following World War I and the Treaty of Versailles (France was reluctant to accept it got over 50% of reparations). In 1924-1929 Germany got $2, 5 billion from the United States and $ 1, 5 billion from Great Britain, according to Dawes Plan. In today’s prices the sum is huge, it is equal to $1 trillion of US dollars. Hjalmar Schacht played an active role in the implementation of Dawes Plan. In 1929 he summed up the results, saying that in 5 years Germany got more foreign loans that the United States in the 40 years preceding WWI. As a result, in 1929 Germany became the world’s second largest industrial nation leaving Great Britain behind.

In the 1930s the process of feeding Germany with investments and credits continued. The Young Plan was a program for settling German reparations debts after World War I written in 1929 and formally adopted in 1930. It was presented by the committee headed (1929–30) by American industrialist Owen D. Young, creator and ex-first chairman of Radio Corporation of America (RCA), who, at the time, concurrently served at board of trustees of Rockefeller Foundation, and also had been one of representatives involved in previous war reparations restructuring arrangement – Dawes Plan of 1924. According to the plan, the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) was created in 1930 to make Germany pay reparations to victors. In reality the money flows went in quite a different direction – from the United States and Great Britain to Germany. The majority of strategically important German companies belonged to American capital or were partly under its control. Some of them belonged to British investors. German oil refinery and coal liquefaction sectors of economy belonged to Standard Oil (the Rockefellers). FarbenindustrieAG chemical industry major wasmoved under the control of the Morgan Group. 40% of telephone network and 30% of Focke Wulf shares belonged to American ITT. Radio and AEG, Siemens, Osram electrical industry majors moved under the control of American General Electric. ITT and General Electric were part of the Morgan’s empire. At least 100% of the Volkswagen shares belonged to American Ford. By the time Hitler came to power the US financial capital practically controlled all strategically important sectors of German industry: oil refining, synthetic fuel production, chemistry, car building, aviation, electrical engineering, radio industry, and a large part of machine-building (totally 278 companies). The leading German banks – Deutsche Bank, Dresdner Bank, Donat Bank and some others – were under US control.

***

On January 30, 1933 Hitler was named the Chancellor of Germany. Before that his candidacy had been thoroughly studied by American bankers. HjalmarSchacht went to the United States in the autumn of 1930 to discuss the nomination with American colleagues. The Hitler’s appointment was finally approved at a secret meeting of financiers in the United States. He spent the whole 1932 trying to convince the German bankers that Hitler was the right person for the position. He achieved the goal. In mid-November 1932 17 German largest bankers and industrialists sent a letter to President Hindenburg expressing their demand to make Hitler the Chancellor of Germany. The last working meeting of German financiers before the election was held on January 4, 1933 in Kölnat the home of banker Kurt von Schröder. After that the National Socialist Party came to power. As a result, the financial and economic ties of Germany with Anglo-Saxons elevated to a higher level.

Hitler immediately made an announcement that he refused to pay postwar reparations. It put into doubt the ability of England and France to pay off WWI debts to the United States. Washington did not object to the Hitler’s announcement. In May 1933 Hjalmar Schacht paid another visit to the United States. There he met with President Franklin Roosevelt and big bankers to reach a $1 billion credit deal.In June the same year Hjalmar Schacht visited London to hold talks with Montagu Norman. It all went down smoothly. The British agreed to grant a $2 billion loan. The British offered no objections related to the Germany’s decision to suspend debt payments.

Some historians say the American and British bankers were pliant because by 1932 the Soviet Union had fulfilled the 5-year economic development plan to make it achieve new heights as an industrial power. A few thousand enterprises were built, especially in the sector of heavy industry. The dependence of USSR on import of engineering production has greatly dwindled. The chances to strangle the Soviet Union economically were practically reduced to zero. They decided to rely on war and launched the runaway militarization of Germany.

It was easy for Germany to get American credits. By and large, Hitler came to power in his country at the same time as Franklin Roosevelt took office in the United States. The very same bankers who supported Hitler in 1931 supported Roosevelt at the presidential election. The newly elect President could not but endorse large credits to Germany. By the way, many noticed that there was a big similarity between the Roosevelt’s “New Deal Policy” and the economic policy of the German Third Reich. No wonder. The very same people worked out and consulted the both governments at the time. They mainly represented US financial circles.

The Roosevelt’s New Deal soon started to stumble on the way. In 1937 America plunged into the quagmire of economic crisis. In 1939 the US economy operated at 33% of its industrial capacity (it was 19% in the heat of the 1929-1933 crisis).

Rexford G. Tugwell, an economist who became part of Franklin Roosevelt’s first “Brain, a group of Columbia University academics who helped develop policy recommendations leading up to Roosevelt’s New Deal,wrote that in 1939 the government failed to reach any success.There was an open seatill the day Hitler invaded Poland.Only the mighty wind of war could dissipate the fog. Any other measures Roosevelt could take were doomed to failure. [1] Only the world war could save the US capitalism. In 1939 the money owners used all leverage at their disposal to put pressure of Hitler and make him unleash a big war in the east.

***

The Bank of International Settlements (BIS) played an important role during the Second World War. It was created as an outpost of American interests in Europe and a link between Anglo-American and German businesses, a kind of offshore zone for cosmopolitan capital providing a shelter from political processes, wars, sanctions and other things. The Bank was created as a public commercial entity, it’s immunity from government interference and such things as taxes collection was guaranteed by international agreement signed in the Hague in 1930.

The bankers of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, who were close to the Morgans, Montagu Norman, the Governor of the Bank of England, German financiers: Hjalmar Schacht (President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics in the Hitler’s government), Walther Funk (who later replaced Hjalmar Schacht as President of the Reichsbank) and EmilPuhl – all of them played an important role in the efforts to establish the Bank. The central banks of Great Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Belgium and some private banks were among the founders. The Federal Bank of New York did its best to establish the BIS, but it was not listed as a founder. The US was represented by the private First National Bank of New York, J.P. Morgan and Company, the First National Bank of Chicago – all parts of the Morgan’s empire. Japan was also represented by private banks. In 1931-1932 19 European central banks joined the Bank of International Settlements. Gates W. McGarrah, a banker of Rockefeller’s clan, was the first BIS chairman of the board. He was replaced by Leon Fraser, who represented the clan of Morgans. US citizen Thomas H. McKittrick was President of the Bankduring the war years.

A lot has already been written about the BIS activities serving the interests of Third Reich. The Bank was involved in deals with different countries, including those Germany was at war with. Ever since Pearl Harbor the Bank of International Settlements has been a correspondent bank for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It was under Nazi control during the war years, no matter American Thomas Huntington McKittrick was the Bank’s President. Soldiers were dying on the battlefields while the leadership of BIS held meetings in Basel with the bankers of Germany, Japan, Italy, Belgium, Great Britain and the United States. There, in the Swiss offshore zone, it was all peaceful, the representatives of belligerents quietly worked in the atmosphere of mutual understanding.

Switzerland became the place where gold seized by Germany in different corners of Europe was transported to for storage. In the March of 1938, when Hitler captured Vienna, part of Austrian gold was transferred to BIS vaults. The same thing happened with the gold of Czech National Bank (48 million USD). As the war started, the flows of gold poured into the Bank of International Settlements. Germany got it from concentration camps and as a result of plundering the wealth of occupied countries (including whatever belonged to civilians: jewels, gold crowns, cigarette cases, utensils…). It was called the Nazi Gold. The metal was processed into ingots to be stored in the Bank of International Settlements, Switzerland, or outside Europe. Charles Higham in his Trading With The Enemy: An Expose of The Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949 wrote that during the war Nazi transferred $378 million into the accounts of Bank of International Settlements.

A few words about the Czech gold. The details surfaced when after the Bank of England’s archives were declassified in 2012. [2] In the March of 1939 Germany captured Prague. Nazi demanded $48 million of national gold reserves. They were told that the sum had already been transferred to the Bank of International Settlements. Later it became known that the gold was transferred from Basel to the vaults of Bank of England. Upon the command from Berlin the gold was transferred to the ReichsbankBIS account. Then the Bank of England was involved in transactions done upon the orders of Reichsbank given to the Bank of International settlements. The commands were retransmitted to London. There was collusion between German Reichsbank, the Bank of International Settlements and the Bank of England. In 1939 a scandal broke out in Great Britain because the Bank of England executed the transactions with Czech gold upon the commands coming from Berlin and Basel, not the Czech government. For instance, in the June of 1939, three months before the war between Great Britain and Germany started, the Bank of England helped Germans to get into their accounts the amount of gold equal to 440 thousand pounds sterling and transfer some gold to New York (Germany was sure that in case of German intervention into Poland the United States would not declare war).

The illegal transactions with Czech gold were implemented with tacit approval of the government of Great Britain which was aware of what was going on. Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, Chancellor of the Exchequer Sir John Simon and other top officials did their best to hide the truth, including outright lies (the gold was returned to the lawful owner or had never been transferred to Reichsbank). The recently declassified materials of Bank of England reveal the truth and show that the government officials lied to cover up themselves and the activities of the Bank of England and the Bank of International Settlements. It was easy to coordinate the joint criminal activities because Montagu Norman, the head of Bank of England, served as the chairman of the board of Bank of International Settlements. He never made secret of his sympathy for fascists.

The Bretton Woods Conference, formally known as the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference, was the gathering of 730 delegates from all 44 allied nations at the Mount Washington Hotel situated in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, the United States, to regulate the international monetary and financial order after the conclusion of World War II. The conference was held from 1 to 22 July 1944. All of a sudden the issue of the Bank of International Settlements hit the agenda. It was reported that the bank collaborated with fascist Germany. Leaving many details aside, I’d only mention that with great difficulty (some US delegates opposed the motion) the delegates reached an agreement to close the BIS. The decision of international conference has never been enacted. All the discreditable information related to the BIS wartime activities was classified. Today it helps to falsify the history of the Second World War.

Finally, a few words about Hjalmar Schacht (1877-1970) who served as President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics in the fascist Germany’s government. He was a key figure controlling the economic machine of Third Reich, an extraordinary and plenipotentiaryambassador representing Anglo-American capital in Germany. In 1945 Schacht was tried at Nuremberg to be acquitted on October 1, 1946. He got away with murder. The same way it happened to Hitler. For some unexplained reasons he was not in the 1945 leading wartime criminals list. More to it, Schacht returned to his profession like if nothing happened and founded Schacht GmbH in Düsseldorf. This detail may go unnoticed, though it serves as another testimony to the fact that Anglo-American “money owners” and their plenipotentiary representatives in Germany prepared and, to some extent, influenced the outcome of the Second World War. The “money owners” want to rewrite the history of the war and change its results.

Valentin Katasonov

Source

[1] P.Tugwell, The Democratic Roosevelt, A Biography of Franklin D. Roosevelt, New York, 1957, p 477.

[2] http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/arch

vet vetlesen

Your quoted article, while intriguing, makes no mention of Churchill vs. Hitler, as per your claim, nor is it even about WW2 and its atrocities.

Again: Where is the scholarly or consensus which say Churchills actions, or perhaps rather lack of them, is ‘worse’, whatever that actually means, than the deliberate and systematic atrocities perpetrated by Hitler and the Nazis?

AlexanderAmproz

There is nice photos for the MSM product you are !

The text is in French, photos didn’t need translation !
http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/propagande-et-holodomors-oublies-180294

6’000’000’000 hitler victims are the most important
20’000’000’000 Alies, mostly Children’s, Women, elderly have none value… The British can be Proud of Sir Arthur Harris, 1st Baronet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Arthur_Harris,_1st_Baronet

The 70’000’000’000 Staline victims cut into pieces with metal saw
by Jews butchers have none value too !

the Mao 50’000’000’000 have little propaganda value
how many were only cannibalism and starvation victims ?

Only imaginary Gas camp have Propaganda value
most of the Jews die by a deficient immune system
with atrocious sicknesses, worst than any gas chambers,
but a poor medias impact !

The NATO 3’000’000’000 victims in-between
Afghanistan and Libya have none value too !
Madelaine Albright said she was Proud
to be responsible of 500’000 Iraqi Children’s Death !

Already told you “Go in an University Library” if interested
by human trashes and war Criminals !

vet vetlesen

Again you are side-tracking the issue in question. So I will ask again: Can you provide any reasonable source whatsoever that compares Hitler, Churchill etc. as per your claim:

“Eisenhower, Churchill, and Stalin were worst
than Hitler.”

Or is it perhaps simply your own personal opinion?

AlexanderAmproz

Your Gullible and ignorance stubbornness is amazing !

vet vetlesen

Sorry, but you know nothing about my knowledge on this subject. I have simply asked you to substantiate your claim, but all you do is copy-paste numbers and links, and refer to some unambiguous “University books”. If you feel I have misunderstood your statement, then you should say so Instead of resorting to insults and meaningless posts like the above.

AlexanderAmproz

unambiguous “University books”

If interested by South-East Asia History,

— Professor Alfred McCoy is the reference,
— Noam Chomsky is good too !
— Sterling Seagrave “The Yamato Dynasty”

is also a very good and interesting book

— Stalin Gulag victims were about 70 Millions,
(Jews Holocaust is 6 Millions)

Gulag Managers and Butchers were mostly Jews,
according to Alexandre Soljenitsyne last book…
Frozen feet and hands were cut with metal saw without
anesthesia and cauterize with red iron…

For the moment Soljenitsyne is considered
the modern Dostojewski !
But was quick out of the MSM to have published the
Gulag butchers and managers Jew names.

Noam Chomsky is considered the Greatest living thinker by many !

If you have knowledges without to be able to think, it’s useless

One more copy and past for you from an obscure scholar(lol)
unknown by CNN and Fox News
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MADE BY THE USA

Manufacturing “Failed States”

by Edward S. Herman

The United States has mastered the art of undermining its targets by fomenting domestic terrorism, and then laying the responsibility on them for the crimes sponsored by Washington itself. This method affords it the possibility both to justify military intervention and to carry it out without risk. The well-oiled scheme described here by Edward S. Herman is now being applied in Syria.

An Al-Qaeda operative who arrived in Syria with Western officials. Why change a recipe that works?

During the Vietnam War, a sign over one of the U.S. army bases read “Killing Is Our Business, and Business Is Good.” Well, it was a very good business in Vietnam (and Cambodia, Laos, and Korea as well), the number of civilian deaths running into the millions. And it has been quite respectable in the years after Vietnam. The killings have been carried out both directly and via proxies on every continent, as U.S. “national security” has required bases, garrisons, assassinations, invasions, bombing wars, and the sponsorship of killer regimes, real terror networks, and programs everywhere in response to terrorist threats and challenges to the “pitiful giant.” Jan Knippers Black pointed out years ago in her great book [1] that “national security” is a wonderfully elastic concept, expanding in accord with “what a nation, class or institution…thinks it should have,” with the result that it is those “whose wealth and power would appear to make them most secure who are, in fact, most paranoid, and who, by their frenetic attempts to ensure their security, bring on their own destruction.” (She was addressing the 1960s Brazilian threat of social democracy and its termination by a U.S.-supported counter-revolution and military dictatorship.) Add to this the search by the vested interests of the military-industrial-complex for missions to justify budget increases, and the mainstream media’s full cooperation in this search, and we have a frightening reality.

In reality, the fake-paranoid giant has had to struggle valiantly to produce more or less credible threats, especially with the fall of the “Evil Empire,” which this country had long been allegedly “containing.” Thank goodness that after relatively brief spurts of attention to narco-terrorism and then Saddam’s threatening weapons of mass destruction, Islamic terrorism came virtually out of nowhere to provide a successor threat, no doubt produced by hostility to U.S. freedoms and the Islamic world’s unwillingness to allow Israel to find a negotiating partner and peaceably settle any disputes with the Palestinians.

But in addition to maintaining the killing and associated arms business at a high level, the United States has become a large-scale manufacturer of failed states. By a failed state I mean one that has been crushed militarily or rendered unmanageable by political and/or economic destabilization and a resultant chaos and is unable (or is not permitted) for long periods to recover and take care of its citizens’ needs. Of course, the United States has been such a manufacturer for a long time, as in the cases of Haiti, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala and those Indochinese states where killing was so good. But we have seen a dramatic resurgence in more recent times, some of it more or less peaceful, as in the cases of post-Soviet Russia and several of the Eastern European states, where income declines and sharply increased mortality rates resulted from “shock therapy” and Western-assisted but partly locally organized and supported elite semi-legal grand larceny (i.e., privatization under exceptionally corrupt conditions).

But there has been a fresh stream of failed states brought about by U.S. and NATO “humanitarian intervention” and regime change, carried out more aggressively in the wake of the death of the Soviet Union (and thus the end of an important if limited force of “containment”). Humanitarian intervention in Yugoslavia has been a model, with Bosnia, Serbia and Kosovo turned into failed states, several other weaklings broken out, all of them Western clients or supplicants, plus a huge U.S. military base in Kosovo, with this package replacing one formerly independent social democratic state. This demonstration of the merits of imperial intervention set the stage for further failed-state manufacturing efforts in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Iraq, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Libya, with a similar program well advanced today in Syria and one obviously in process for some years in the Free World’s treatment of a threatening Iran, following its happy relationship with the Western-imposed Shah dictatorship.

These manufactured failures have often had common features that show them to be a product of imperial policy and the projection of imperial power. One frequent feature is the rise and/or recognition of ethnic group rebels who claim victimhood, fight their government with terroristic acts, sometimes designed to provoke a violent government response, and who regularly appeal to the imperial powers to come to their aid. Sometimes foreign mercenaries are imported to aid the rebels, and both the indigenous rebels and mercenaries are often armed, trained and given logistical support by the imperial powers. The imperial powers encourage these rebel efforts as they find them useful to justify destabilizing, bombing, and eventually overthrowing the target regime.

This process was evident throughout the period of the dismantlement of Yugoslavia and creation of the resultant set of failed states. The NATO powers wanted Yugoslavia taken apart and the Republic of Serbia, its largest and most independent component, crushed. They encouraged nationalist elements within the other Republics to rebel, and all of these recognized that NATO would support and eventually go to war for them. This made for prolonged warfare and ethnic cleansing, but did eventually succeed in the destruction of Yugoslavia and creation of the residual failed states [2]. Amusingly, Al Qaeda elements and mercenaries were imported into both Bosnia and Kosovo to help fight the target Republic (Serbia), with the knowledge and cooperation of the Clinton administration, as well as Iran [3]. Al Qaeda was also one of the constituents of the freedom fighters engaged in the Libyan campaign, and is now admitted even if a little belatedly in the New York Times to be a factor in the Syria regime-change program [4]. And, of course, it was a centerpiece in the regime change in Afghanistan and basis of the “blowback” of 9/11 (Bin Laden having been an important Saudi-US.-sponsored rebel, subsequently abandoned by those sponsors, and later attacking, demonized, and killed by them).

These programs always involve serious “atrocities management,” whereby the government under attack is accused of major acts of violence against the rebels and their supporters, and is by this process effectively demonized and set up for more massive intervention. This was very important in the Yugoslav breakup wars, and possibly even more so in Libya and Syria. The process is greatly helped by the mobilization of international agencies, which participate in the demonization by denouncing the atrocities and sometimes indicting and prosecuting the targeted villains. In the case of Yugoslavia, the UN-established International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) worked hand-in-glove with the NATO powers in setting up the Serb leadership for prosecution and justifying any action the US and NATO wanted to take. In a beautiful illustration of the process, the ICTY prosecutor indicted Milosevic in May 1999 just as NATO turned to deliberately bombing Serb civilian facilities to hasten Serbian surrender, although these were war crimes and carried out under a UN Charter violation. But they diverted world attention from the unpleasant and illegal NATO behavior to the charges against the demonized Milosevic.

Similarly, with NATO eager to attack Libya, the prosecutor at the International Criminal Court quickly indicted Muammar Gaddafi without even having conducted any independent investigation, and with an established prosecutor record of never having indicted anybody except Africans who were not Western clients. This kind of “juridical management” is invaluable to the imperial powers and feeds well into the advance of regime change and the manufacture of failed states.

There are also purportedly independent human rights groups and “democracy promotion” entities like Human Rights Watch, the International Crisis Group, and the Open Society Institute that regularly get on the imperial bandwagon by featuring the violence of the targeted regime and its leaders. This also feeds into the mainstream media, the entire set providing the moral environment for more aggressive intervention on behalf of the victims.

This is helped still further by the fact that the atrocity claims and pictures of grieving widows and refugees, the seemingly compelling evidence on atrocities, and an establishment consensus on the “responsibility to protect” the victim populations, also affect liberal and left elements in the West, causing some to join the mainstream throng in denouncing the targeted regime and demanding humanitarian intervention, and many others to lapse into silence because of confusion and an unwillingness to be accused of “supporting the dictators.” The argument of the interventionists is that while we may seem to be supporting an expanding imperialism, exceptions must be made where exceptionally bad things are happening and the home public is aroused and wants action, but we may show our progressive credentials by trying to micro-manage and contain the imperial attack, as in insisting on adherence to a no-fly zone intervention in Libya [5]

There is a good case to be made that the United States itself is a failed or failing state. It obviously has not been crushed militarily by any foreign power, but its underlying population has been hugely damaged by its own permanent war system. In this case the military elite, with its contractor, banker, political, media and intellectual allies has greatly enlarged poverty and mass distress, shriveled the public services, and impoverished the country, making it impossible for the hamstrung and compromised leadership to properly service its ordinary citizens, despite steadily rising per capita productivity and GDP. The surpluses are drained into the war system and the consumption and ownership of a small minority, who, in what Steven Pinker in The Better Angels of Our Nature calls the era of “recivilization,” are aggressively striving to go beyond mere surplus monopolization to transfers from the incomes, wealth and public claims of the great (and struggling) majority. As a failed state as well as in other ways the United States is surely an exceptional nation!

Edward S. Herman

http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/09/m

[1] United States Penetration of Brazil, by Jan Knippers Black, Pennsylvania University Press, 1977, 313 pages.

[2] See “The Dismantling of Yugoslavia”, by Edward S. Herman and David Peterson, Monthly Review, October 2007.

[3] See John Schindler’s Unholy Terror, which presses this theme very effectively, and is thereby unreviewable, except in Z Magazine! See my “Safari Journalism: Schindler’s Unholy Terror versus the Sarajevo Safari’s Mythical Multi-Ethnic Project,” Z Magazine, April 2008)

[4] Rod Nordland, “Al Qaeda Taking Deadly New Role in Syria Conflict,” New York Times, July 24, 2012.

[5] See Gilbert Achcar, “A legitimate and necessary debate from an anti-imperialist perspective,” ZNet, March 25, 2011; and my reply in “Gilbert Achcar’s Defense of Humanitarian Intervention,” MRZine, April 8, 2011, which refers to the “imperialist fine-tuning left.”).

jerry hamilton

You must be aware of Stalin and his Gulags.
If not, google Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 200 years together.
Next google Eisenhowers Rhine Meadows.
I have already pointed Churchill out. He was the one that kept rejecting Hitlers peace offers.
Churchill made WW2 happen and he had a lot to do with provoking WW1.
How many deaths should we attribute to him? 70 million?

Nod

Here is how it works, he provided lots of reference. Some of it IS fact, at least to my knowledge. For instance, Albright did state what he said she stated. So then did the US government state the same, as she is most definitely a relevant agent.

So then, debunk what he posted, rather than babbling about how you just want more, more , and more. If you catch him in a lie, you destroy his credibility. He may be wrong with some of it, but what he is absolutely correct in, is that the Jews are not the only to have suffered pursuant the machinations of those who rule.

who is worse, IS AN opinion. It doesn’t change the facts one bit. Stalin was one of the worst, alongside Hitler. . Stalin murdered 30 million of his own, after taking away their guns.

Bush and Obama are chicken feed I guess, they only murdered around 2 million for imperialism , all based on lies and bullshit
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“”We’re going to take out seven countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran” –General Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star U.S. Army general, Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the 1999 War on Yugoslavia .
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“That is the phenomenon of the US. Since 1945 they’ve destroyed 73 countries and were directly involved in the deaths of 26 million people. It is a horror show. It just must stop!”
John Shipton, journalist and executive officer of Wiki Leaks.`
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“last month, the Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS) released a landmark study concluding that the death toll from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million.

The 97-page report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors’ group”

“The PSR report is authored by an interdisciplinary team of leading public health experts, including Dr. Robert Gould, director of health professional outreach and education at the University of California San Francisco Medical Center, and Professor Tim Takaro of the Faculty of Health Sciences at Simon Fraser University.”

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf
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aND AS A MATTER OF FACT, AND OPINION, i AM MUCH MORE CONCERNED WITH THE GENOCIDE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, RATHER THAN THE HISTORICAL GENOCIDE USED TO OBSCURE THE STATUS QUO.

Peter

@vet vetlesen….AlexanderAmproz has already referred you to the Bengal famine, endorsed by Churchill, which diverted precious food from a starving India to supply British troops. (While Canada and US offered to send food to India, this was discouraged by the British who were meanwhile hoarding the Indian crop). Indian death toll here approached 4 million. Churchill’s response..”to bad Ghandi wasn’t among them.” Churchill approved of the allies 1000 plane bombing raids over German cities, essentially aimed at destroying civilian morale, not to mention lives. Of note…unarmed Dresden, a city of porcelain figurine makers, was nevertheless smashed to the last stone. Churchill had devised plans for nuking Russia (it’s own ally) after the war, before it could attain it’s own bomb, called “operation unthinkable”.

vet vetlesen

Anyone is entitled to his opinion. But there is a difference between good and bad speculation. The Bengal famine was the result of many factors. While the Brits’ actions or inactions might have prolonged the suffering, saying Churchill responsible is just silly. Hitler, on the other hand, planned for and industrialized the extermination of populations. This sets Hitler apart from Stalin as well. Stalin and removed his opponents and is responsible for many atrocities, but he was not genocidal in the normal meaning of the word.

There is also a distinct difference between actions done in the context of war – like the RAF bombings and the atomic bombs – and genocide. Furthermore, whether the actions or inactions of a ruler contributing to a famine itself qualifies as a genocide is debated. It is further clouded by the fact that each case is unique and that only fragments are really documented. In the end, what one chooses to emphasize on a personal level is up to each individual, but thinking that all this can be seen in simple black-and-white terms is a big error in judgment: You should always question your source, especially when it claims for offer simple answers to very complex questions.

jerry hamilton

It looks very much like you are failing badly to justify the actions of a war crazed butcher.

Nod

no kidding………But I see him.

“A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.”
― Saul Bellow,

Nod

“but he (stalin) was not genocidal in the normal meaning of the word.“
the babble of a disbeLIEving fool. Your opinion, is contrary to fact.

gen·o·cide
ˈjenəˌsīd/Submit
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group…..
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Àmazes me, the affect of cognitive dissonance able to totally corrupt the ability of a mind to think worth a damn. I dont care how you pervert the definition, to suit your ignorance.

This means, our governments do genocide on Muslims right this moment, as does the Zionist government. That which pretends to represent Jewry. As it does genocide on Palestinian Semites.

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Naysaying isn’t argument. It is babble. And it makes me laugh, you keep ignoring fact, and then come back with rationalization for fact based obscenities,

“ but thinking that all this can be seen in simple black-and-white terms is a big error in judgment: “

What a heap of dung you sell.

“Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking…”
Tolstoy

I see you clearly.

“Stubborn and ardent clinging to one’s opinion is the best proof of stupidity.” ~Michel de Montaigne. December 3, 2011

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”
― Aldous Huxley,

AlexanderAmproz

Thanks you are excellent !

Nod

I am only sad, at how eagerly we are led to fight amongst each other, while ALL OF US are marginalized, murdered, and fed on by our rich masters.

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. … We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. … In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons … who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”

― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda

Nod

He doesn’t want to hear it. He lacks honest intelligence.

flat earthers lacked the same.

jerry hamilton
Nod

Is better or worse not subjective anyhow. British have been murdering and expropriating for hundreds of years, are you effin kidding not to account for this when you babble about Hitler. Stalin murdered 30 million of his own. No one here thinks Hitler was a good man. No one here thinks that Hitler was the only bad man. Anyone who has perpetuated war and imperialism for the rich is a bad man . Period.

“Money power rules. They are the bad men, back then, and RIGHT NOW. Using inequality, and a fraudulent monetary system to take over the planet in their own corrupt image.They control governments with debt, and force mass murder on groups who resist imperialism, and those who have resources they want. Problem is, the stupids do not want to understand that their monetary system is a ponzi scheme and they are a rube. I accepted it, and immediately felt better knowing the truth.

Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – One World, if you will.If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it ”
| David Rockefeller |

“Until the control of the issue of currency and credit is restored to government and recognized as its most conspicuous and sacred responsibility, all talks of the sovereignty of Parliament and of democracy is idle and futile… Once a nation parts with the control of its credit, it matters not who makes the laws….Usury once in control will wreck the nation.”
William Lyon MacKenzie King, former Prime Minister of Canada

jerry hamilton

Only just completed this. An excellent read.

AlexanderAmproz

Thank’s

Nod

shush now, you bring cognitive dissonance to the fluoridated minds of the herd.

Nod

Well, Stalin killed 30 million plus…..as to the Americans …

collectively they have murdered 30 million since the last war. And as Chomsky says, if Nuremberg rules were followed, every US president since the last war would have swung…because they worked for the banksters-globalists who care not for the blood they spill. Kills me, the stupids still vote, given we know now for fact it is a farce.

“That is the phenomenon of the US. Since 1945 they’ve destroyed 73 countries and were directly involved in the deaths of 26 million people. It is a horror show. It just must stop!”
John Shipton, journalist and executive officer of Wiki Leaks.

And Churchill was a drunken, prejudiced, warmongering fool who worked for the imperialists.. Imperialists kill for profit.

Hitler, was insane. To murder millions for the actions of a few usurious and greedy bankers IS insanity.

mens rea

So subjectively speaking, cold hearted, deliberate, self congratulating, killers may be seen as worse than insane killers. Because they know better. How many did Bush kill, or Obama, or Bush senior, or so on, and so on, and so on.

And according to some of the traditional Jews, Hitler had help from Zionists in accomplishing his genocide, because that helped the Zionists fill Palestine with the Jews who ran from Hitlers madness.

Kind of like how Zionists now have the help of Americans doing their own genocide on Semites in Palestine.

Personally, I think they are all just murdering scum.

Nod

…Wiki calls IKE for what he was…

He supported local military coups against governments in Iran and Guatemala. During the Suez Crisis of 1956, Eisenhower condemned the Israeli, British and French invasion of Egypt, and forced them to withdraw. He also condemned the Soviet invasion during the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 but took no action. During the Syrian Crisis of 1957 he approved a CIA-MI6 plan to stage fake border incidents as an excuse for an invasion by Syria’s pro-western neighbours.[5] ( sound familiar) After the Soviet Union launched Sputnik in 1957, Eisenhower authorized the establishment of NASA, which led to the space race. He deployed 15,000 soldiers during the 1958 Lebanon crisis. Near the end of his term, his efforts to set up a summit meeting with the Soviets collapsed when an American spy plane was shot down over Russia. He approved the Bay of Pigs invasion, which was left to his successor to carry out.[6]“

Kell

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Nod

I have lived through much of this. A mark of intelligence is to be able to recognize patterns. It is what makes us what we are. And one would have to be an idiot, or a beLIEver, to still
babble on about protecting our freedom as the reason for obvious, and overt imperialism.

“”We’re going to take out seven countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran” –General Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star U.S. Army general, Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the 1999 War on Yugoslavia .
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“That is the phenomenon of the US. Since 1945 they’ve destroyed 73 countries and were directly involved in the deaths of 26 million people. It is a horror show. It just must stop!”
John Shipton, journalist and executive officer of Wiki Leaks

Nod

what exactly, are your needs that cannot be met without feeding a military industrial complex that is destroying huge swaths of the planet and its inhabitants pray tell.

dumbfounds me people calling themselves civilized like in the USA and France and Israel, while they sell death to whoever does their bidding. To further globalism, profit, and power. Oh ya, we are no better than Hitler with his genocidal aspirations. Doing mass murder on Islam, the media driving the hate of people who allow the expenditure to marginalize and do mass murder on the semites in Palestine, and the Muslims in the middle east.

I wonder if it is a coincidence that Muslims resist having their oil taken by our corporate masters, and that Muslims also resist usury, that which has enslaved every country on the planet who participates in it.

“An organism at war with itself is doomed.“ Carl Sagan

zman

Israel receives far more than the $3B annual tribute from the US, we also guarantee their loans too, which they drop on us regularly. Obama, to placate Israel over the Iran deal, pledged them many more billions in weaponry over the next 10 years. So, yeah, the US does ‘give’ them to Israel. Kinda like all the politicians Israel bribes..probably comes right out of the annual tribute. Great scam…we give them the money to bribe our leaders that vote to screw us. My question is, since Bibi is getting Trump to scrap the Iran deal, do we get our money back? Damn Bibi…OK, OK, it was just a joke.

Jens Holm

Yes, those F35 and military things are the netto, which all see.

χρηστος

well i agree US is not the red cross…..thats what im saying…..instead of selling weapons directly they give ‘aid’. that aid goes back to US one way or another. 3B is an amazingly huge amount of money for such a small country…..why ‘waste’ US money…..because that money returns to US pockets in forms of bribes as you say, in forms of weapon contracts that give jobs to american war industry etc….

jerry hamilton

Not the Red Cross….. That is far worse than you realise.
The Red Cross in America was bought out by various corporate members.
It is no longer a charity but a For Profit Organisation in America.
No one in America should fund it anymore.
Sad but that’s business.

Zaphod Braden

Where is the investigation of ISRAELI “collusion in American elections”?!
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/29/how-soon-can-we-get-aipac-owned-traitors-out-of-congress/
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=Q05
How many of YOUR/America’s $4+BILLION in WELFARE given to Israel every year comes back to America in the form of BRIBES to “american” politicians? Traitors voting to give Israel MORE, so they can get bigger BRIBES. .
http://investmentwatchblog.com/former-us-lawmaker-cynthia-mckinney-says-every-candidate-for-congress-has-to-sign-a-pledge-to-vote-for-supporting-the-military-superiority-of-israel/

AlexanderAmproz

Usually American Jews are double National
and control the US Congress with the Medias.
If a US Congressmen didn’t do what their Lobbys want,
a forged sex story will erupt in the Medias(lol)
Democrats and Republicans representatives
are “Terrorized” by them !

Zaphod Braden

What is good for Israel should be good for America. NO “dual citizen” allowed in government. Israel: Three dual-citizen MKs ordered to annul their foreign passports
by Shahar Ilan – Haaretz – Feb18 2009
The Central Elections Committee has ordered three Knesset members with dual citizenship to annul their foreign passports by next Tuesday’s swearing-in ceremony, or at least begin steps to cancel them.
The three lawmakers are Yohanan Plesner of Kadima (who has Danish citizenship), Nitzan Horowitz of Meretz (a Polish citizen) and Yisrael Beiteinu’s Anastasia Michaeli, who holds a Russian passport. The Basic Law on the Knesset states that “a member of Knesset holding an additional citizenship that is not Israeli … will not take the oath of loyalty until he has done everything he can to relinquish it.” –
Nobody can have loyalty to TWO Nations at the same time. So nobody with “dual citizenship” should be allowed to hold any post in our government, JUST like Israel does.

By the way ……. How many CHRISTIANS sit in the Israeli “knesset”? has ANY? EVER?
CHRISTIAN tax dollars bought and paid for Israel —- their knesset should be 50% CHRISTIAN.
Israel would not EXIST without JESUS CHRIST and the tax dollars of HIS Flock.
A major problem in the USA today is the concept of “dual citizenship”. Until 1968, “dual citizenship” was strictly prohibited. An Eastern European (I forget which country) wanted to vote in his home country’s election without losing his American citizenship. As a result of a lawsuit, the courts ruled in his favor. The Jews took full advantage of this new “right”. As a result, we have forty or so congresscritters and senators who hold “dual nationality” with Israel. In addition, there are thousands of “dual nationality” influential “policy wonks” and others that are infecting MY country’s government that have no allegiance to the USA and have split loyalties, siding with Israel. In addition, there are many “dual nationality” Americans who are in Israel, who have enlisted in the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) in contravention of American law, but are never prosecuted…WHY?? Jews are almost non-existent in the American military, but Jew Americans are overrepresented in the IDF. It is long overdue to prohibit “dual citizenship” and to deport those who will not renounce their foreign citizenship.

EL ZORRO

REMEMBER THIS…

In 1492, Chemor, Chief Rabbi of Spain received the following reply from the Grand Sanhedrin (elders of Zion) to his plea for advice on how to deal with their threatened expulsion under Spanish Law; it illustrates well how the same ancient agenda was still being adhered to by the elect at this time:

“Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great a pain to hear it as yourselves. The advice of the Grand Satraps and the Rabbis is the following:

1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.

2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.

3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christian’s lives.

4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches.

5. As for the other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.

6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.

(Signed) Prince of the Jews of Constantinople”

(Julio-Inigrez de Medrano—”La Silva Curiosa” 1608 my emphasis).

Frank Behrens

Oh yeah…nice piece of typical antisemtic shit forgery a la

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

For sure the stuff Nazis love.

Maaaan, one can criticize the current politics of Israel (or any othe state) and with good reasons …but without such stupid garbage.

Or where is that letter this Julio-Inigrez de Medrano refers to today?

EL ZORRO

Wikipedia? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Who finance wikipedia?.

Jens Holm

El ZERO wasnt it ?

Frank Behrens

Hahahahhaha…errr…and who finances you? Or any of those antisemtic and “information” sites?

Moussa Saab

I guess you are not familiar here, let me tell you.
Most people here are OK with the Jewish religion, but are against the Zionists. If you do not know the difference between the two, then you should not be here in the first place.

Frank Behrens

I find it interessting when people start to tell people , where they should be or not be, especially on a discussion side. My advice to you is: stop that ..that only leads to Kindergarten.
I don´t care IF most people here are ok with jewish religion but are againt Zionism (why just we don´t say: politics of the current state of Israel)..that was not the issue.
But when people start to refer to clear antisemitic garbage and/or use typical antisemitic stereotypes and prejeduces..I will call it antisemitism garbage

Nod

Here is what I know, for fact. Your link is laughably ripped apart by its readers. Because of two things.

1- We know ZIONIST Israel participated in 9/11,

2- and we know Israel does genocide in Palestine against PALESTINIAN SEMITES. Given that many Zionists are not even Jewish, and that Judaism in Israel accepts converts who are not Jewish? I would say quite definitively that the most bloodthirsty anti Semites on the planet live in Israel….

Most people with a 3 digit IQ understand the hazard of using unsubstantiated history to make an argument against fascist politics, be that in the USA, or in Israel. They also know the fact is everywhere, without the need for historical babble. Israel does Genocide, and was called out for war crimes.

“The Tribunal is satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt, that the first defendant, (General) Amos Yaron, is guilty of crimes against humanity and genocide, and the second defendant, the State of Israel, is guilty of genocide.”

Israel also sends weapons to Myanmar, for the genocide going on there against Muslims. I guess that ethnic cleansing is acceptable to the Zionists, home and abroad. And it has gone on, much to long, while people who object, are attacked by the gang of Zionists and the useful idiots who support them, in their shared quest for a globalist state. Too disgusting, any person could defend the scum that do this.

Zionist Israel is funded by the USA because it provides the much needed muscle in the middle east for globalism. A great big aircraft carrier. And it will do the dirty work, that others wont touch.

mass murdering pigs never have enough it seems.

Frank Behrens

“Here is what I know, for fact. Your link is laughably ripped apart by its readers. Because of two things.”

Uhm, sure, everyone has a right to his/her opinion…but not on facts.

Give me a break…yeahyeah, I heard about those “9-11 was-a-inside-job” (poor al-Quaeda…know one wants to give them credit…)…and the sort of people who make up and believe that garbage.

And your semantics I leave you…I refer to such definitions regarding anti-semitism (as terminus technicus) as most (sane) people do:

“Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews.[1][2][3] A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism.[4][5]!”

Man, I don´t get it…one can for sure criticise the politics of the STATE OF ISRAEL (got the difference) , their treatment of arabs or those ultra-orthodox -groups, who, like any other groups with a totalitarian ideology, are speaking, thinking and acting like facists.
But people, like you Sir, who believe and use those century-old stereotyps of Jews and 19th. / early 20th antisemitic garbage are, by definition, antisemits

Nod

what are you babbling about …LOL, I see a malfunctioning brain. Read before you pontificate bullsh!t as truth. I DO NOT accept the stupidity of racism, discrimination, hate and ignorance. We are ALL human. And I understand inequality is the root of all our problems.

You, on the other hand, defend mass murdering governments doing mass murder on Muslims. You lie, deny fact, and support those same governments, making you the racist, making YOU the ANTI semite, and making you the psychopath.

Frank Behrens

do I ? You know what ? Right you are..I support of cause every mass murdering of muslims (as long as I don`t have to get my hands dirty of cause…manual work is not mine)…and the best on that is: there is nothing you can do about it, (or the ongoing mass murdering)..at present our No. 1 is Assad (who else kills more arabs /muslims at the time?)…I (or anyone in the West) has to do anything for that…they are keeping on butchering themselves (of cause…only thanks to our clever measures and conspiracies , they are fooled so easily..our favourite prey).

Nod

“at present our No. 1 is Assad (who else kills more arabs /muslims at the time?)…”

You are a liar too. Straight up POS liar. And you also think that we think your babble as knowledge.

“last month, the Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS) released a landmark study concluding that the death toll from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million.

The 97-page report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors’ group”

“The PSR report is authored by an interdisciplinary team of leading public health experts, including Dr. Robert Gould, director of health professional outreach and education at the University of California San Francisco Medical Center, and Professor Tim Takaro of the Faculty of Health Sciences at Simon Fraser University.”

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

So here they are….and I have much respect for these folks. No one paid them to speak truth.

“Johanna Congleton, MSPH, PhD, Maryland

Robert Dodge, MD, California

David Drake, DO, Iowa

Richard Gibson, CPA, Kansas

Steven Gilman, PMP, North Carolina

Robert Gould, MD, California; Past President; Co-chair, Leadership & Governance Committee

Ira Helfand, MD, Massachusetts; Chair, Security Committee

Katie Huffling, RN, MS, CNM, Maryland

Edward Ifft, PhD, Virginia

Andrew Jameton, PhD, Minnesota

Andrew S. Kanter, MD, MPH, FACMI, Illinois

Alan H. Lockwood, M.D., F.A.A.N., New York; Co-chair, Environment & Health Committee

Alfred Meyer, New York; Chair, Radiation & Health Committee

Trish O’Day, MSN, RN, Clinical Nurse Specialist-Community Health, Texas

Cindy Parker, MD, MPH, Maryland; Co-chair, Environment & Health Committee

John Rachow, MD, Iowa; Treasurer; Chair, Development Committee

Lynn Ringenberg, MD, FAAP, Florida; President

Karin Ringler, PhD, Wisconsin

Callum Rowe, California

Pouné Saberi, MD, MPH, Pennsylvania

Todd Sack, MD, FACP, Florida

Alli Stradiotto, Nebraska

Catherine Thomasson, MD,

Kami Veltri, MS-1, District of Columbia

Peter Wilk, MD, Maine; Co-chair, Leadership & Governance Committee

Lauren Zajac, MD, MPH, New York

Following behind this link, are the rest of the 34 or so members,

http://www.psr.org/about/experts-speakers/ and note how they list their credentials….real credentials from real people. Doctors, scientists, , people without BIAS, and not afraid to tell us who they are.

Most importantly, public health experts with no reason to lie.

And they were not the first to tell us truths supposedly debunked by the bought and paid for Orwellian newspeaks…

“In 2006, the leading British medical journal, The Lancet, published a comprehensive scientific study by a team of public health experts at John Hopkins University, which concluded that 655,000 Iraqis had died due to the 2003 Iraq War, mostly through violence. By extrapolation, the study implies that the total death toll to date now approximates 1.5 million Iraqis. The Lancet estimate was rejected by the US and British governments, who favoured the lower estimates.”

Of course the people doing the mass murder, want to reject the evidence of mass murder.

Frank Behrens

I said at present ! Assad is our No. 1…on behalf on the other numbers…uhm, that few? Must do better, America .

Nod

More flat earth logic Franky boy … I dont need to say 911 was an inside job. All I need to know is science, and that the official story is directly contrary to the science that I do understand. Fact is fact, I do not NEED to know motive, even though it is quite obvious. And nor do I need to know who the conspirators were, even though many of them were outed by their own lies, actions,and non actions.

Science says dimmy, and all your babble will never change it.

Common Franky, flag it again, but you cannot hide the FACTS.

”The only peer-reviewed papers that provide a physically plausible mechanism for collapse of WTC 1, 2, or 7 are papers that conclude with controlled demolition – a result consistent with the fact that in over 100 years, no high-rise steel frame building has ever collapsed from fire alone. “”
Timothy E. Eastman, Ph.D., Physics Group Manager for Space Science Support
Heliospheric Physics Laboratory NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

————————————–

“The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center].”

Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988).
———————————————

“Serious technical investigations by experts seem to be lacking from the official explanations.”

Larry L. Erickson, BS Aeronautical Eng, MS Aeronautical Eng, PhD Eng Mechanics – Retired NASA Aerospace Engineer and Research Scientist. Conducted research in the fields of structural dynamics, aerodynamics, aeroelasticity and flutter. Recipient of NASA’s Aerodynamics Division Researcher-of-the-Year Award. 33-year NASA career. Member, American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics.

————————————————————————–

Science says…
Law of thermo-dynamics
“If you have a flame of 750 degrees, you can hold that flame under steel forever and you will NEVER reach a high enough temperature to bend steel, let alone melt it.”
Robert Podolsky – Masters in theoretical physics, Physicist /engineer. Systems analyst, Air Force Avionics Lab, Coast Guard electronics
—————————————————————–

Law of aerodynamics
“”I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93. I don’t believe it’s possible for, like I said, for a terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it’s design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding — pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G’s. The aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn’t do it and I’m absolutely positive they couldn’t do it.”
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown.
———————————————————–
Law of motion/momentum
Commander James Clow, MS, U.S. Coast Guard (ret) – Retired U.S. Coast Guard officer
“No matter how one views the videos of the Towers and Building 7 collapsing, the laws of physics MUST hold true. If F=ma appears to have been violated (e.g., free-fall collapse of the buildings at nearly 9.8 m/sec/sec), then something is seriously amiss and one must start looking for the “other hand” hidden beneath the table to discover what is really happening”

Nod

“(poor al-Quaeda…know one wants to give them credit…)..”

I give them ALL the credit ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CE0fyz4ys

Nod
Steve C

Israel did not participate in the commission of terror attacks on September 11th 2001. That’s good old fashioned BULLSHIT of the first order. Israel has never committed “genocide”. They’ve never systematically attempted to wipe out an entire people or destroyed millions of people. While it is a shame and tragedy for any life to be lost, do not confuse genocide and murder/mass murder with killing and death by other means. Intent and outcome have a lot to do with these things, and Israel, as far as I have ever seen, has never intended or even accidentally committed “genocide”.

Nod

more ignorance as knowledge huh. They have displaced and murdered hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Semites.

genocide indeed.

And yes, truth hurts.

“More often [genocide] refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight. The end may be accomplished by the forced disintegration of political and social institutions, of the culture of the people, of their language, their national feelings and their religion. It may be accomplished by wiping out all basis of personal security, liberty, health and dignity. When these means fail the machine gun can always be utilized as a last resort. Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong.[1]”

of course they do dimwit.

Steve C

Hundreds of thousands?? *sigh*

If you represent the sperm that won the race, I’d sure hate to see the lowest common denominator. I have rarely seen the kind of rock-stupid intellect on display such as you possess outside the halls of the Congress of the United States. Unless, you’re a congressman???

Nod

Once again, you bring more American ignorance to the table as fact. Read BEFORE you talk dimwit…
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“1948 Palestinian exodus
Mass departure of refugees from Palestine
The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎, al-Nakbah, literally “disaster”, “catastrophe”, or “cataclysm”), occurred when more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Palestine war. Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were sacked during the war, while urban Palestine was almost entirely extinguished. The term “nakba” also refers to the period of war itself and events affecting Palestinians from December 1947 to January 1949. Wikipedia”

And that is even before they started their murder on Palestinian semites in earnest.

“WHERE DO PALESTINE REFUGEES LIVE?
Nearly one-third of the registered Palestine refugees, more than 1.5 million individuals, live in 58 recognized Palestine refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.”

Shut up stupid…

https://www.unrwa.org/palestine-refugees

Nod

“Israel did not participate in the commission of terror attacks on September 11th 2001.”

LOL

Nod

I read the comment you made re 911, was going to debunk the stupidity, , and then found it deleted. A load of babble and bullshit. I am going to paste it on this site, so we can all have a laugh at what a flat earther ( also now an admitted corporate killer) thinks. And your statement about you being an engineer I call as bullshit. A person with such a minimal intellect could never be an engineer. This profession takes intelligence. You however, would have trouble engineering your finger out of your nose….

AlexanderAmproz

Everybody know Israhell is the World furuncle
for the US/UK unfair destructive colonialism !

AlexanderAmproz

I do believe this is well observed…
http://www.voltairenet.org/article198176.html

From Syria to Burma?

by Thierry Meyssan

The Pentagon is preparing a new war in South East Asia – this time against Myanmar. Till now, the jihadists in Syria, which have the support of several countries that form part of the Middle East, have been waging war between themselves. But now they have a new vision: fighting together with the Pentagon against the Burmese army and the Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize Aung San Suu Kyi.

Since 2001, the United States has been systematically destroying the whole of the expanded Middle East. For some days now, it has been preparing a new war against Iraq and Syria. Its conduit? The Kurds of the Barzani and Muslim families.

It seems that all of a sudden, the US has been struck by a new vision: Burma as the new theatre of operation. In this case, all the jihadists plus several countries in the region would be mobilized to go to fight in South East Asia.

For a month now, the international press has been denouncing the plight of the Rohingyas and have been presenting Burma as some sort of hell, using just as many lies as it did to savage Syria.

While in 2013 Saudi Arabia had prepared an army in Jordan and funded jihadists in Syria, it had also created in Mecca, “the Movement for Faith” which then became the “Army for the Safety of the Rohingyas in Arakan”. Just as it did in Syria, it blended a toxic cocktail of authentic Burmese with the floating mercenaries that it habitually deploys all over world. Thus the leader of this group is a Pakistani who brought his arms to Bin Laden’s side when he was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

It is the United States and the United Kingdom that arms the Burmese jihadists. They were trained in boot camps in Saudi Arabia and Bangladesh. An assessment was made last August that these jihadists numbered at least 5,000 men.

Burma has never known peace following the British and Japanese colonization. Burma is a mosaic of 135 ethnic groups that are forever at war with each other (a phenomenon distinguishing Burma from Syria). A military dictatorship had managed to maintain a semblance of order over a large part of the country. But this came at a price: a cruel repression. It was a year and a half ago that the army accepted to share power with the Nobel Price winner Aun Sang Suu Kyi so that all the inter-ethnic problems could be sorted out.

I must point out that the new government created a consultative commission to resolve the discrimination which victimizes the Rohingyas. This Commission was chaired by Kofi Annan and included foreign personalities such as the Lebanese Ghassan Salame and Burmese such as the Guide of a Sufi order.

The work of this Commission has been sabotaged in much the same way that the Commission set up by the Arab League in Syria (2011 – 2012) was. The same day it published its report (25 August), the “Army of the Safety of the Rohingyas of Arakan” simultaneously attacked 24 Police Stations and barracks, killing 71 police officers and soldiers.

President Erdogan immediately issued a call for the Muslim Countries to take up arms. It is only after his speeches sounded alarms that the Rohingyas began migrating to Bengal.

What you have here is a mobilization for Nato of the same states that fought under its orders in Bosnia-Herzegovina against the Serbs (pro-Russia). But this time, the enemy is the Burmese (pro-China).

The military leaders of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, Pakistan and Turkey have already established contacts.

Let us note that in Iran, President Rohani and Iran’s military chief of staff are in favour of intervention, while Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Guardians of the Revolution have said that they are against this senseless plan, that would once again make Iran, an add-on to Nato.

If this plan is followed through with, all the forces fighting against Syria will be displaced to South-East Asia. Peace would then be able to move into Syria, these combatants no longer blocking its entry.

This about Geopolitics is interesting too…

The anti-imperialist camp: splintered in thought
by Thierry Meyssan
http://www.voltairenet.org/article197477.html

Nod

too funny, you dismiss veterans today, using source that denies the fact of the false flag called 911, and Israels participation in that fact.

Your link babbled opinion, and nothing more. They babbled soft hate…

I am not stupid enough to blame “people” for the actions of money power. Nor am I stupid enough to deny the truth of American financial support of the Zionist regime and American lead in the international terror on Muslims.

Money talks, bullshit walks. And it has nothing to do with Judaism or Americans.

“WASHINGTON — The United States agreed Wednesday to provide Israel a record $38 billion in new military aid over the next decade. “

Frank Behrens

Still feeling lonely? well, sign up with one of those orgs. which believe in that kind of garbage (there are plenty)

Meanwhile:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_controlled_demolition_conspiracy_theories

Short version:

http://www.news.com.au/world/six-really-stupid-911-conspiracies-debunked-in-about-six-seconds/news-story/a59cdac9a894a786544f96b8b7893cee

“PSYCHOLOGISTS will tell you that even perfectly
sane people have the ability to accept wild conspiracy theories. The
more powerless or alone we feel, the more likely we are to develop such
theories.

It’s all linked to
self-esteem. If you’re the sort of person who feels isolated or
disenfranchised, you’re much more likely to develop wild theories as a
way of making you seem more knowledgeable, more powerful, more special.That
might help explain why many Americans are into conspiracies. The irony
of our technologically over-connected age is that there are scores of
socially disconnected people sitting in dark rooms extrapolating all
sorts of crap from factoids they find online. Here are six of the worst”

My favourite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0

Poor al queda :)…look at the face of the al Quaeda guy :D

Nod

lol you posted popular mechanics and wiki as evidence. To contradict science. Absent any thought.

you are an idiot. And science says doofus.

You cannot debunk science, with wiki, no matter how hard you close your eyes and stomp your feet.

lol

Science says…
Law of thermo-dynamics
“If you have a flame of 750 degrees, you can hold that flame under steel forever and you will NEVER reach a high enough temperature to bend steel, let alone melt it.”
Robert Podolsky – Masters in theoretical physics, Physicist /engineer. Systems analyst, Air Force Avionics Lab, Coast Guard electronics
—————————————————————–

Law of aerodynamics
“”I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93. I don’t believe it’s possible for, like I said, for a terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it’s design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding — pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G’s. The aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn’t do it and I’m absolutely positive they couldn’t do it.”
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown.
———————————————————–
Law of motion/momentum
Commander James Clow, MS, U.S. Coast Guard (ret) – Retired U.S. Coast Guard officer
“No matter how one views the videos of the Towers and Building 7 collapsing, the laws of physics MUST hold true. If F=ma appears to have been violated (e.g., free-fall collapse of the buildings at nearly 9.8 m/sec/sec), then something is seriously amiss and one must start looking for the “other hand” hidden beneath the table to discover what is really happening”

too funny.

Frank Behrens

sure, I you really belief anyone wants to discuss with you after you called them idiot ?
What´s your problem (well, I have a good guess what it is)? Why I you here ? Writing? Can´t you find fellow nuts/homepages to write on (there are out there enough)…or did even they throw you out ? :D
Do you think your little crusade for the truth will change anything? That the masses (the brainwashed fools) wake up one day…and…do what?

Nod

“Do you think your little crusade for the truth will change anything? ”

I see the admission there dimwit. Although you are incapable of admitting it.

And i am not here to change anyone. Although many intelligent people have improved their understanding based on reasonable arguments.

But I will not suffer ignorance as knowledge from anyone. Even the judges who rule over the courts I work in.

Why am here you ask. Because I dont like the smell of your kind of shit. And I enjoy fixing stupid if it is fixable..

Frank Behrens

so, you are not here to convince others to your truth ? But then you enjoy fixing the stupid?
Errr, perhaps you think about again what it is you want?
Man, you are perfect ! :D….
Would make sense (especially after 6 month if you just want to lure people back again and generate more clicks /click baiting for the owners of that side ).

Nod

keep on babbling about nothing…

Frank Behrens

keep on answering about nothing lonely troll

Nod

YOu have nothing to offer the conversation, so I am not looking for discussion. I expect you to read, and then think. If you cannot, i expect more ignorance as knowledge.

Nod

Without stupid people, I would have no one to laugh at…

Common moron, lets see some more memes….

Roland Angle
P.E., Civil/Structural Engineer

What really concerns me is we’re beginning to live in a society that is rebellious against science. It’s important that all of us with the technical expertise speak out on the 9/11 issue.“

Frank Behrens

starting? lol ?
rebellious against science ?
Well, I have a task for you: try to speak to those who deny climate change and the moon landing or believe on chem-trails …

you like laughing about stupid persons…well, the world must be a wonderfull place for you…sooooooo much to laugh about !

Nod

Denying 911 truth is denying science. Touting the official story as anything other than bullshit, is idiocy.

rest of what you babbled is irrelevant clap trap. Babble on dimwit…

“ Everyone with relevant expertise who has studied the issues knows that the WTC skyscrapers were brought down in controlled demolitions. No architect or engineer has ever presented and defended the official story before an assembly of peers.”

Dr. Niels Harrit,
Associate Professor of Chemistry, Nano-Science Center, University of Copenhagen

Lead author of “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11,” published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal in 2009

Cockroaches hide in the dark, and you are hiding with them. Show me 1 architect or engineer has ever presented and defended the official story before an assembly of peers.”“

Of course they wont.

And the dimwits at PM who presented a story that FEMA had already debunked, dont count. And nor do myth busters :P

Frank Behrens

Whatever …just one question :
(and me hiding like a coackcroach? Who ´s using his clear name here? Who is the sissy hiding in the dark behind his/her fantasy made up name? )

Why did you answered to an 6 month old thread (cold as ash)?

(or are the owners of southfront.org (who ever they are….speaking about coackcroaches hiding in the dark :)) that desperate to generate clicks and posts?)

Nod

truth hurts huh…

you bring nothing to the table but bullshit. Every time.

“”The only peer-reviewed papers that provide a physically plausible mechanism for collapse of WTC 1, 2, or 7 are papers that conclude with controlled demolition – a result consistent with the fact that in over 100 years, no high-rise steel frame building has ever collapsed from fire alone. “”
Timothy E. Eastman, Ph.D., Physics Group Manager for Space Science Support
Heliospheric Physics Laboratory NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

Frank Behrens

Uhm, you`re sounding like a automatic pre-recorded message, repeating only the same things again …and here you (or it) just even adressed my question and instead repeat what seems a variant of the aforementioned…like a semi- intelligent bot (and the fact that the bot started to adress a 6 month old thread)…how nice of southfront.org…but that comes at no big surprise
, such sides beeing desperate to generate clicks ..oh man ^^

Nod

And you are still babbling bullshit, while ignoring the science.

You babble about everything, post op eds from PM and wiki, and then post memes consisting solely of ignorance.

You are still sounding, like an idiot.

While I post science, and non biased rocket scientists and the people who live the science.

babble on dimwit.

Frank Behrens

Let´s see what you are:

first answer my question (and thus a person and not a bot generating automatic repeating bubble:):

Why did you answered to an 6 month old thread (cold as ash)?

(or are the owners of southfront.org (who ever they are….speaking about coackcroaches hiding in the dark :)) that desperate to generate clicks and posts?)

Last chance :)

Nod

truth hurts huh. Why on earth would I answer an irrelevant question? The topic of 911 came after that fact, and then you started in with the ignorance is knowledge….

Admit to the fact of 911 being a inside job, or rebut with something other than opinion to the contrary of fact and science, and then you get your answer.

“Stubborn and ardent clinging to one’s opinion is the best proof of stupidity.” ~Michel de Montaigne. December 3, 2011 

“There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.”
― Hippocrates

=========================

“However, we do know via established empirical evidence that a series of observable events took place that can be analyzed. If we learn the temperatures at which steel melts and at which jet fuel burns we can then determine whether burning jet fuel can melt steel. Proof of evidence can and should preclude personal opinions and lead us to logically necessary conclusions….
…………..A fair examination of the evidence establishes unequivocally that 3 skyscrapers collapsed as the direct and proximate result of planned demolition and that the official explanation is literally physically impossible and a blatant contradiction of established laws of science and nature.”

firefighters for 911 truth.

Nod

LOL , you picked the wrong guy to deny science with…And I like south-front, because they do NOT censor. Not for “bad” words, or socially unacceptable truths.

I am always amazed at how stupid people makes themselves look, for beLIEfs.

“We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. … We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”.
Lt. Vodvarka

“ Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED “

Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101.

Frank Behrens

Yeah, I guess coackroaches like you hiding behind the anoymity of the net do indeed love such sides….there are next to none who mock you for your cons. theories as it would be usually (and especially out there in RL…where all those stupid dimwits either mock you or ignore you (you now, those smiles when they turn away..).

That , or you are just here in order to create clicks for soutfront…

Why did you answered to an 6 month old thread (cold as ash)?

Frank Behrens

Again…Why did you answered to an 6 month old thread (cold as ash)?

Nod

LOL…

Because my stupidity detector went off, and I dislike stupid ? You caught my eye, as it were?

You tell me then, why so paranoid ? Who do you think is out to get you?

Frank Behrens

I told you…last chance .
Since you are unwilling to answer a rather simple question (perhaps indeed it isn`t THAT an simple question for you) this ends here ..wether in fact a poor maniac (who else would dig up a 6 months old thread? Truther tend to be loners before and after ) or a click baiter …you are boring me.
I m pretty sure whatever you are, you will answer here again …which will be something very similare to what you constantly write …you know: claiming “victory ” (congratz then :)), truth hurts, dimwit, blablabla etcetc….well, boring.

So, farewell…and don`t contact me again (well, we both know that you will .it´s like telling a junkie ti stop using drugs:))

Nod

If you had half a wit, you would have read the answer. As far as “contacting you”. I have never done so. And I would never do so. Because I have a prejudice against stupid people. I just do not like them.

Run Forrest run. Truth hurts.

Nod

“Whatever” = submission.

Took you long enough.

Frank Behrens

yeah, I guess your like to subdue…

guideadda

The world is full with nuts and “truthers” who claim this and that to be true. Most of them having personal (social) problems…a few just there to make money (with the ones having social problems) .
https://www.guideadda.com/best-inverter-ac/

Nod

Babble on st00pid.

Science is. Your bullshat is just that.

Nod

And if you are dumb enough to need opinions in lieu of the understanding of basic science, well rocket scientist trump your popular mechanics retards…

“”The only peer-reviewed papers that provide a physically plausible mechanism for collapse of WTC 1, 2, or 7 are papers that conclude with controlled demolition – a result consistent with the fact that in over 100 years, no high-rise steel frame building has ever collapsed from fire alone. “”
Timothy E. Eastman, Ph.D., Physics Group Manager for Space Science Support
Heliospheric Physics Laboratory NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

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“The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center].”

Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988).
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“Serious technical investigations by experts seem to be lacking from the official explanations.”

Larry L. Erickson, BS Aeronautical Eng, MS Aeronautical Eng, PhD Eng Mechanics – Retired NASA Aerospace Engineer and Research Scientist. Conducted research in the fields of structural dynamics, aerodynamics, aeroelasticity and flutter. Recipient of NASA’s Aerodynamics Division Researcher-of-the-Year Award. 33-year NASA career. Member, American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics.

Frank Behrens

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Nod

More babbling….you have an obsession for tinfoil ? You think science is for those who wear tinfoil ?

You cant even see how stupid that meme makes you look :P

Frank Behrens

Science? Sure…Frankenstein´s science#
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Nod

And we all know what stupid does when its stupidity is revealed.

you got it, ad hom…

truth hurts huh dimwit..

“We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. … We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”.
Lt. Vodvarka

“ Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED “

Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101.

Frank Behrens

of cause ,…I , as the big rest of us out of there (you know, the stupid, brainwashed herd) do that ad hominem thingy with the nuts like you…well, we know that nuts like you crave for attention (and thus, I am being in fact very polite to you) (or clicks..here , have one) .
We ridicule you all the time (try to imagine an idiota who behaves and thinks of him as a fellow with a special knowledge which puts him high above the herd…but constantly cries out that in order to “spread the truth/message”..).

The world is full with nuts and “truthers” who claim this and that to be true. Most of them having personal (social) problems…a few just there to make money (with the ones having social problems) .
Frustrated from the start, their frustration even raises since most people ridicule them …and of cause we do: do you really think we discuss with you your strange thoughts and conspiracy theories …

hell, you idiots have even half a dozen contradicting theories /different sects.

we know that it is useless and a waste of time trying to discuss with you ..heck, for almost all of your “questions” answers were delivered (at least for the big herd out there) and enough was debunked…you CAN´T (and shouldn`t ) discuss with the conspiracy nuts (as if we hadn`t real problems with the gov. enough…).

https://911fantasyworld.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/the-problem-with-911-truthers/

and ….c´mon…some of you, you …in strange way (like a masochist likes beeing beaten and punishcomment image ed), love to be ridiculed , don´t you ? ;)

Nod

You are stupid enough, not to understand how stupid you are making yourself look. Drink more fluoride dimwit. Your ad hom, is irrelevant.

You are totally clueless about what, how why where and when. But you have your memes. I image they must have taken you years to put together. Aint my conspiracy theory dimwit, it is the story told by science, and understood by millions. Officially supported by over 5000 point on experts. While you have NONE to show. Only media whores and political whores. And really stupid memes that highlight quite nicely your lack of intelligence.

….” the “official” assumption that it was the work of 19 Arab amateurs (1) does not match the available facts and (2) has led directly to the deplorable Patriot Act, the illegal Iraq war, NSA spying on ordinary Americans, repudiation of the Geneva Conventions, and the repeal of habeas corpus “

David L. Griscom, PhD – Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in Washington, DC, after 33 years service. Fellow of the American Physical Society

Nod

anything else dimwit ?

Frank Behrens

yeah, don´t answer me anymore (you don`t even has to answer this one…c`mon…you are a sane , strong person, …you can DO IT , c`mon..be strooooong and disciplined !)

Nod

No, they actually taught me to THINK when I went to school. That is no longer on the curriculum. I escape water fluoridation because I grew up on a farm.

The end result is that I easily recognize beLIEf based bullshit, and have the mental capacity to think it through. Without BIAS or prejudice to muddy the way.

While cognitive dissonance rules the herd. You are part of that herd.

too bad for you. There is freedom in rational thought.

“Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking…”

― Leo Tolstoy

Frank Behrens

aaaaand lost ^^ (small wonder…now I am pretty sure you have deep rooted problems )

Frank Behrens

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Nod

And more babble. Truth hurts huh dimwit ?

Frank Behrens

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Nod

drink more fluoride dimwit…

Nod

And more babble….

Frank Behrens

sure, then you can feel great again…yiu are for sure way over the herd and a special one (you`ve found it) …from now on you can live with the truth (for whatever that helps you) and can look down on us (the fooled ones) …right?
What I still don´t get: why keep on telling and spreading the truth ? In order to feel not so lonely ? :D

Nod

You are still babbling about nothing…

Nod

tell me Frank, how many Palestinian Semites has Zionist Israel murdered or displaced in their quest for blood, land, oil, and supremacy.

Does it make me anti semetic to point that out I wonder.

Does it make me “anti something else“, because I point out my country of birth does genocide on Muslims for globalism as well. Am I “anti Canadian“ then, because I point out that the politics of Canada is fascism not much different than Zionist fascism. Both concerned about furthering ambitions of the rich.

Well, yes I guess it does, it makes me “anti stupid“. Because I would have to be a frikken idiot to think that what Canada did to Libya, USA did to Iraq, Libya, and Syria et al, and what Israel does to Palestine and Syria, is an expression of democracy and freedom.

Money pôwer rules. No matter how many time the retards tell me otherwise.
And it is the useful idiots in Israel, Canada, USA, France, et al, that allow the imperialism to continue, under the guise of freedom and democracy.

Only an insane person, or a fool, blames Jews for the actions for the Zionist fascists who rule them. Same kind of fool hates on Americans, for the policies implemented and acted upon by the globalists and their American leadership.

People are easily mind-washed stupid, with fear and loathing. No matter the religion.

Kell

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Nod

Right, and it is my understanding, that criticizing Americans can get you rendition-ed, and sent away to prison for life, without due process, lawyers, or visitors. Wonder how many already did.

Once again, I am not enough of a fool to blame Jews for the actions of globalists. Too bad, it seems so many are.

Nod

except in this case, it doesn’t apply. That was when the banksters, didn’t own everything pursuant their oh so clever ponzi scheme monetary system.

Now the method of control comes from money = debt = slavery, not fear.

People choose ignorance, over truth.

Steve C

How many Israelis commit knife attacks on women/children? How many Israelis strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves and other innocent people up in such a BRAVE and NOBLE fashion?
Terrorists are nothing but cowards, hiding behind religious zealotry as if it is some sort of shield. Let me also say that there are extremists in Israel on the far right, and they are just as disgusting in their speech and beliefs as muslim terrorists. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Those concepts are intransigent across belief systems and political affiliations.

Nod

“Terrorists are nothing but cowards, hiding behind religious zealotry as if it is some sort of shield.”

Agreed . FEAR OF DEATH makes for beLIEvers.

You forgot to mention the terrorism incipient our imperiaLISM, OUR murdering troops and our drones and our bombs are no different than the reciprocal terror we see in return. The 30 million people who have died, and had their governments taken over since the last great war, as the American police state and its allies impose globalist policies on all of us. That is also terrorism.

You think the Americans screaming for Muslim blood after the false flag called 911 are not fanatics? Of course they are. We have murdered over 2 million Muslims, committed war crimes, invaded nations, affected regime change, murdered leaders of sovereign nations. While the fools call it democracy, and the rich call it globalism. It is a war crime to punish people NOT responsible for the actions of a group of people. Yet we murder them enmasse, and will do so until they capitulate to globalism, and its control mechanism called usury. We do it now, in Syria. And after Syria, will be Iran and Russia.

What is wrong , is the fact Israel is stealing territory and murdering Palestinians, driving them from their country, keeping them imprisoned in their own homes.

What is wrong, are the Muslim nations assisting the globalists do mass murder on Muslims of different sects, The house of saud for instance. THose who murder the Jews and Christians, in the interest of globalism. Those Muslim fanatics who murder anyone not a beLIEver of the ridiculous notion of a big daddy in the sky, just waiting to take us home after we breath our last breath. THose American fanatics who have been programmed to think themselves exceptional in the face of American terrorism on the planet.

What is wrong, is gross inequality, yet most are too stupid to understand and or care. They don’t get it, most all the wrongs on this planet, come because we gave people the power to commit these wrongs, WITH INEQUALITY.

Right and wrong are part of all beliefs and ideologies. Part of our foolish idiotology built around greed, envy, and self interest, as well as the farce called representative democracies.

Americans, Brits, Frenchmen, Canadians, Italians, and anyone else who supports globalist terrorism are no better than the Muslim or Jewish extremists.

Steve C

9/11 wasn’t a false flag. Idiots like you are more dangerous than the actual terrorists. Conspiracy nuts should be rounded up and renditioned to places like Afghanistan, where they can share their awesome world perspective with people who will treat them like they deserve to be treated and not put up with their bullshit.

Nod

And you think your ignorant stupidity is fact dont you moron.

You likely carry a gun, and murder innocent people based on the lies of 911. But here is what I know. Those of us with 3 digit IQ’s., we actually;y stayed awake in science class.

Put your head back where it is nice and warm. Don’t let the chill of fact interfere with your blissful ignorance. You are a mass murdering American pig, trying to justify it with immaterial, and irrelevant lies.

Law of thermo-dynamics

“If you have a flame of 750 degrees, you can hold that flame under steel forever and you will NEVER reach a high enough temperature to bend steel, let alone melt it.”
Robert Podolsky – Masters in theoretical physics, Physicist /engineer. Systems analyst, Air Force Avionics Lab, Coast Guard electronics

Law of aerodynamics

“”I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93. I don’t believe it’s possible for, like I said, for a terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it’s design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding — pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G’s. The aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn’t do it and I’m absolutely positive they couldn’t do it.”
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown.
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Law of motion/momentum

Commander James Clow, MS, U.S. Coast Guard (ret) – Retired U.S. Coast Guard officer
“No matter how one views the videos of the Towers and Building 7 collapsing, the laws of physics MUST hold true. If F=ma appears to have been violated (e.g., free-fall collapse of the buildings at nearly 9.8 m/sec/sec), then something is seriously amiss and one must start looking for the “other hand” hidden beneath the table to discover what is really happening”
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And the dearth of available evidence and fact…
-Several tons of molten iron – Rapid oxidation and intergranular melting—
-Microspheres of molten iron – 1400 victims blown into tiny fragments—
-Total building destruction – Complete dismemberment of steel frame—
-Temperatures well above what is possible under alleged conditions—
-Expanding pyroclastic dust clouds – Positive ID of Nano Thermite—
-Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of electronics, concrete & metal decking–
-Destruction through path of greatest resistance at near free-fall
-3 layers reinforced concrete punctured, + 3 unreinforced layers of concreted punctured at the pentagon, 6 layers in total punctured by a flying pop can..
-No debris or evidence of aircraft at all
-Flight paths mis-reported and fighter craft response deliberately delayed by the Pentagon
-Evidence destroyed before investigations , and this is a blatant crime done by the government, to hide evidence…Just like this is…

only an blissful idiot still thinks 911 was done by Muslims with box cutters.

Nod

Here is why your head hurts when someone tells you the truth about 911.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a5GU-CryQ0

Nod

anything else you need dimwit? FYI, you are way out of your league. You should stick to pulling triggers…..

And BTW, doing mass murder on Muslims in various countries, for the promulgated actions of 19 men ( with God powers used to suspend science) is a war crime dimwit..FYI…

Steve C

Ok, let’s drill down on your stupidity. I know words are hard for dumbasses like you, but try to follow along.

1. How did the towers “melt” before they collapsed – the fires were initially started by Jet-A, and fanned by a nice stiff breeze. You don’t need a masters in physics, go get any ordinary fire-fighter and ASK them if this is possible. Try to get one that has been a firefighter with an Aviation background, i.e., trained to fight aircraft fires. They’ll tell you how this stuff happens. Steel melts at ~ 2500F. Iron ore at ~ 2700F. Jet-A auto-ignition temp is 410F, and it can burn in an open setting at around 1500-1700 degrees. It wasn’t just jet fuel up there though WAS it genius? It was all that shit around the area that burnt up too. Paper, carpet, wood, furniture, ALL that shit and more, and it was constantly fanned by that stiff breeze ensuring even hotter temps than normal. Teh engineering loads were CONSTANT on the clamps and trusses, and all they had to do in order to fail is WEAKEN, not MELT. Don’t be a retard.
2. What was the collapse event like in the twin towers – after one set of clamps weakened, the floors above it, and the weight and load they brought to the clamp surface, sheared downwards, in a pancake collapse motion. This was due to how the building was DESIGNED. It had floor supports, but the strength of the building was the outer skeleton, sort of like how a celery stalk is. I am an engineer, and I understand these concepts clearly. By my Sophomore college year, I was doing calculations that cover events just like these. Maybe you need more schooling, or at least, PAY ATTENTION in school???
3. How could amateur pilots maneuver the jets like they did? – I also happen to be a former military pilot. It’s easy to assume other people can’t get the skills you have, or that some particular task is “impossible” to do. Their maneuvers that day weren’t precise, they didn’t have to be. You can look at the replays and see they man-handled the fuck out of those aircraft. They were NOT pulling 7 fuckiung G’s. That’s just retarded for anyone to say that, I don’t give a fuck who they are. The designers at Boeing will laugh them out of the room if they suggest that one of those aircraft can maneuver at 7 G’s in ANY fashion, much less in that configuration with all that fuel on board.
4. How do heavy aircraft like the 757/767 loaded with fuel cause intense fires like those that caused the towers to collapse? – the aircraft themselves were all over 350,000 lbs, 2 of them 500,000 lbs or more. It’s not hard to see how that moving mass, and all the kinetic energy brought by that moving at 350kts and slamming into a building would (a) destroy the aircraft into fragments and (b) start a nice fire right at the point of impact and entry into the structure.

All your faggoty about people being murdered and do I carry weapons (I do, in case some retard like you threatens me, and then you will find out if I actually can fire a weapon accurately) aside, I assure you that you conspiracy nuts don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground and can’t find said hole with two hands and a flashlight. Arabs got on, murdered folks with blades, took over the aircraft due to how they were not performing the same level of security and diligence to cockpit access, and flew those planes into those structures. Period.

Get a clue, get a life, and get the fuck off of my internet.

Nod

IN addition, if I were too stupid to understand the science, and I needed to believe someone else, it would not be a brainless moron on Southfront, and nor would it be a bought and paid for government worker. Because these sort suffer BIAS. Yes, stupidity, IS a BIAS of sorts.

I would go to point on experts, like perhaps rocket scientists, who have no reason to lie, or the 5000 other experts who agree that science did NOT shut down on 911, and the official story is bull.

“”The only peer-reviewed papers that provide a physically plausible mechanism for collapse of WTC 1, 2, or 7 are papers that conclude with controlled demolition – a result consistent with the fact that in over 100 years, no high-rise steel frame building has ever collapsed from fire alone. “”
Timothy E. Eastman, Ph.D., Physics Group Manager for Space Science Support
Heliospheric Physics Laboratory NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

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“The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center].”

Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988).
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“Serious technical investigations by experts seem to be lacking from the official explanations.”

Larry L. Erickson, BS Aeronautical Eng, MS Aeronautical Eng, PhD Eng Mechanics – Retired NASA Aerospace Engineer and Research Scientist. Conducted research in the fields of structural dynamics, aerodynamics, aeroelasticity and flutter. Recipient of NASA’s Aerodynamics Division Researcher-of-the-Year Award. 33-year NASA career. Member, American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics.

Peter Bedijn

Khazar Zionist (fake Jews)

Nod

actually nope. The genetics have been confirmed. And that has nothing to do with the political Zionism in the state of Israel.

AlexanderAmproz

To avoid any misunderstanding
I am an Atheist laic pro Semites.

Not only Hebrew are Son of Sem, Arabs too !
“Peace on earth to men of good will,”

The Dönmeh from Salonica funded “the young Turk”
to destroy the Ottoman Empire to be able to get
the Palestine.
Ataturk their Leader did the Armenian Genocide…

Dönmeh – Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dönmeh

Frank Behrens

I am sorry, no relatives I know of in the Netherlands;)..Behrens (and variants) is a common surname in northern Germany /Netherlands and southern Scandinavia.

Kell

The Young Turks were jews.
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AlexanderAmproz

The Cross was invented by the Romans to Torture
the Slaves, its an horrible oppression Death signe
to terrorise the slaves…
The horizontal part of the Cross name is “trepalium”,
for the Latin languages, it’s the “work” name origin,
that why “Latin” peoples don’t like to work(lol)

Compared to it the Protestant Huguenot cross
is a charming “Dove of peace”,
without any Death and oppression connection…

If understanding French, there is an outstanding
documentary about the Vatican, CIA, Mafia
and Italian Government for giant money laundering’s
to destabilize Eastern Europe thank’s Pope John Paul II
Drug Lords/CIA connection is known since “ever”
there you have the Vatican Church, Dirty money-CIA

October 23 TV5 France at 00:50
Ombres sur le Saint-Siège (52min)
http://www.programme-tv.net/videos/bandes-annonces/63231-ombres-sur-le-saint-siege/

Steve C

There is NO SUCH PLACE as Palestine! That is a creation of the Romans, who wanted to humiliate the Jewish people after multiple revolts in Judea. The final revolt under Bar Kokhba, led to the creation of “philistia” or from the Hebrew for their ancient enemy, the Philistines, or “plishtim”. Nobody called it Palestine, and there has never been a COUNTRY called “Palestine”. It was always the bastardization of that term used to approximate the territory that was Judea under Roman rule. The ethnic people there are Arabs, Hashemites in fact (ethnic Jordanians for the most part), Persians, Turks, Greeks, Jews, and other groups. None of them are “Palestinian” by ethnicity because there IS no ethnicity as such called “palestinian”. That’s a political construct.

AlexanderAmproz

Zionist nationalist myth of enforced exile

Israel deliberately forgets its history

https://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel

Nod

Good read. I like Shlomo Sand. He says things that beLIEvers hate to hear.

Nod

what is your point ? There was no place called Canada before imperialists came in, exterminated the natives, and called it what they wanted to…. Same with almost every country on the planet.

I am not “Canadian” by ethnicity either. I am however, 4th generation Canadian. Canada is home to over 50 different ethic groups. Canada’s government, does terror on Muslims, and helped overthrow a sovereign nation called Libya which was at the time the most bountiful naTION IN aFRICA. IT IS NOW A DE-STABILIZED SH1THOLE, WHILE IT IS STILL PUMPING OIL INTO OUR CARS.

Now we didn’t change its name, but we took the oil and the gold, and imposed the usury and our globalist politics.

Peter Bedijn

No antisemitic shit forgery but Khazar Zionist forgery!

Zaphod Braden

First “Protocols”

Steve C

This is nothing but LIES and BULLSHIT of the first order. The Sanhedrin had been dissolved centuries before this writing. Even so, they would never have said any of these things, because their teachings were counter to the writings you claim they wrote here.

Jens Holm

Many countries in the world has dual citicenship as normal fare in many versions.

I danes are having a baby in USA it automaticly get american citicensship(too).

I an american have a baby here, it can ask for it as 18 years old and will 99% always get it(too).

Brother Ma

So what? That is not point. When in gov you should only have country”s citizenship. No others!

AlexanderAmproz

It’s true for the Imperialist Nationalist Warmonger Countries,
not if you are a European
with few different European Nationalities

For the Europeans to be Nationalist is a War Hydra,
and it’s what the US/NATO is trying to inject
in the former Eastern Europe Countries with the hopes
to provoque insane Wars with Russian.
Thanks of the CIA manipulations, Ukraine is run by
Nazi Corrupt Jews Plutocrats,
Poland and Hungary becoming mad Catholic fundamentalists
Rumania is run by Mossad,
Baltic Countries and Scandinavia under grotesque heavy
Anti-Russian US propaganda.

US/NATO presence in Europe is wrong and tiring

Since “ever”,
Europe Future is in Russia,
Russia Future is in Europe
we are the same Cultural Family !

Frank Behrens

No we are definitly NOT the same Cultural Family.
I don´t see any common grounds with people who believe in the most primitive conspiracys and harbouring primitive predjeduces which one can describe as a madmen´s vision. You will find nearly exactly the same thoughts and world view written down in “Mein Kampf” …just…the thing with Europe`s future in Russia, the little Gefreite interpretated differently as you mean it^^..

AlexanderAmproz

The Tsar wife were traditionally German Princess
French and German families with Russian origins
are uncountable, the Kremlin was built by Italian
and Swiss architects.
Francois Le Fort, the funder of the Russian Fleet was
a Geneva citizen…
The French intellectual were very present in St Petersburg
the Russian Culture influences in Europe are very important

From which bush are you ?
I am too polite to answer you, just google
or join Netanyahu and Trump !

Frank Behrens

I never denied that russia (as well as other east euopean states and regions) are not culturally connected with the rest of europe. I was refering to such attitudes and prejeduces that YOU were showing here. These are frowned upon by most (educated) Europeans …of cause you will find such views in the far right (or far left) minded people (world wide).

Btw. the USA is as well (as other regions like Australia, Canada etc., which were settled by mainly euopeans) closely connected (let alone how many millions of east europeans migrated to the US ) with Europe. And nearly half of all Jews (and jewish Israelis) are also europeans (or decendants of ) and thus is heavily influenced by european culture.
So in which ways do you believe there should be a “special” (close cultural) conection between Russia and the rest of Europe ? The cultural conections between e.g. Russia is as strong to Germany , Middle to western or southern Europe as with the USA or even with Israel (heck, how many million Jews lived and still live in Russia ? How many Israelis are of russian descent ? Yes, you got it…they are your “brothers and sisters”…at least genetically)

And rest assured: I am not from the Ruhrpott (which , by the way, does also have some nice places to present) or Hinterbayern :)

AlexanderAmproz

Difficult to answer right away and it’s late.
My Culture is Federalist and Democratic since centuries,
diversity is a wealth. In my Home town 62% of the residents
are foreigners from 195 Countries…
I am used to have live and travel all around Europe and the
rest of the World since decades, among the poorest
and wealthiest.
Ski hiking in Norway, sailing in Holland, scuba diving
in the Philippines, museum tour and Historical site in
the Capitals

I feel to have a quiet strong European ID, and Russia
belongs to it,
Europe is one entity, notwithstanding I am a World citizen.
Rightist or leftist didn’t have signification for me, as long as
the priority is the peoples wealth fare and the Environment,
Nationalism is unwelcome. I will favorise the Europe of the
regions with a Denis de Rougemont approach.

Ultra rightist in Switzerland is center right in France,
center Swiss is leftist in the US, ultra leftist in Asia,
Middle-East, Africa and South America…
A “Normal” relationship with Russia looks essential for
an harmonious European durable development.

Switzerland is a small Europe since “ever”.
Confetti States with different ID, languages, and religions
joined each others with mutual agreement along Centuries,
then should do the same with Russia, none hurry,
step by step…

Long ago I had very good times ridding horses during months
in Ober Bayern and Hildesheim/Hanover
Have a good night.

Nod

“believe in the most primitive conspiracys“

I don`t believe in conspiracies. I investigate them. It is my job. Belief has nothing to do with it. Belief is something used by stupid people as argument.

History is built on conspiracies, and YOU have been mind washed by our globalist thought police, to ignore the real meaning of conspiracy, instead using the word as some form of derogation for those who speak about events that cause cognitive dissonance in the listener.. Truth hurts. It is easier to bury ones head up ones bum.

How about you be more specific, about non nonsensical conspiracies, and perhaps I can help you figure out an understanding based on fact,.Before you do so, google “cognitive dissonance“ so you understand why the truth hurts so much.

What I see Frank, is you using ad hom, in rebut to argument. A sure sign, that the other side won the debate.

Nod

I dont do prejudice. It creates stupidity, hate, ignorance, and irrational thought..

I dont do patriotism or nationalism. Divide an conquer…

I dont do religion. Imagine some Muslims sexually mutilating women for religion, while some Christians and some Jews sexually mutilate men for religion. Imagine all those Christian priests diddling boys, because of irrational rules in religion that deny them sexual release with women. Denies us sexual freedom to choose.

All pursuant rules in a fairy tale called God.

I don`t do culture. Culture is the most pervasive and insidious form of mind washing and thought control. Takes away freedom to think, freedom to choose. Culture, is anti think and often anti truth, and simply unnecessary. It is also a reinforcement of, and capitalization on, a human biological condition that needs to distinguish between “us“ and `them.

I dont do beLIEf, because it is usually non factual AND unbeLIEvable. Belief creates ignorance. BeLIEf is tied to ego, most often denying a person the chance to improve upon what they think they know.

““There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
Isaac Asimov

I do however, like to think. And always welcome a chance to improve my understandings. Feel free.

Frank Behrens

Ugh, do you really think that you are the first conspiracy theorist one could encounter who thinks he has “the truth” ? That`s the very nature of an conspiracy theorist” . The net is full of those. And a sure sign is this disgusting whiny ad hominem “argument” (poor fellow…no one wants to believe your “facts”..they are all brain-washed ).Conspiracy theories have nothing to do with “facts”…it is a (your) state of mind (prejudices) and thus do HAVE to do with YOU.
Yeah, take your victory and life long and prosper…

GIVVO6_B

The term “conspiracy theory” was invented by the CIA in an attempt to demonize anyone who refused to believe the nonsense of the “Warren Commission”. We are supposed to listen to US lies when they tell us “a very ill man sitting in an Afghan cave was able to outwit the USAF and fool NORAD and get people with no experience as pilots to fly into 2 towers and bring down 3”.
The conspiracies and the conspiracy theories all come from the US Government. So how did building 7 collapse? The Yankee conspiracy theory does not cover that one.

Frank Behrens

Yeahyeah…heard about this CIA…a lot. Marvelous to enigmatic what this CIA all did and invented. Now they even invented the term “conspiracy theory” (Uhm I wonder why you guys never give any sources for your (wild) claims)….but sorry the term was known since 1909 .

“The Oxford English Dictionary defines conspiracy theory as “the theory that an event or phenomenon occurs as a result of a conspiracy between interested parties; spec.
a belief that some covert but influential agency (typically political
in motivation and oppressive in intent) is responsible for an
unexplained event”. It cites a 1909 article in The American Historical Review as the earliest usage example.[5][6] The word “conspiracy” derives from the Latin con- (“with, together”) and spirare (“to breathe”).”

Lance deHaven-Smith has similarly suggested that the term was deployed in the 1960s by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to discredit John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories.[8]
Robert Blaskiewicz rejects such claims, asserting instead that the term
has always been derogatory and pointing to examples demonstrating that
this has been so since the nineteenth century.[9][10]

Nod

You read what he said, then picked something you could deny, then you re-framed the conversation so he would be “wrong” without answering his very valid points.

911 conspiracy was explained and PROVEN with science. Not endorsement.

“Robert Blaskiewicz rejects such claims”

And it is a moron, that uses opinions, to deny the dictionary definition of a term. A term that is used in law, and is called crime. “conspiracy to commit”. I dont care what people beLIEve about IRRELEVANT historical bull. Nor am I distracted by it.

You keep babbling about source, while you reject the dictionary :P

Nod

Nor does someone like Frank. He will ignore that pertinent fact, and keep on running the mouth with ignorance, his only intent to convert people from reason, to anti science idiocy.================================================

We could also listen to the firefighters who attended that day, if we were too lazy to learn science. You see frank, the firefighters understand how science works too.

Firefighters for 9/11 truth.
“”However, we do know via established empirical evidence that a series of observable events took place that can be analyzed. If we learn the temperatures at which steel melts and at which jet fuel burns we can then determine whether burning jet fuel can melt steel. Proof of evidence can and should preclude personal opinions and lead us to logically necessary conclusions….`

…………..A fair examination of the evidence establishes unequivocally that 3 skyscrapers collapsed as the direct and proximate result of planned demolition and that the official explanation is literally physically impossible and a blatant contradiction of established laws of science and nature.”

“We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. … We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”.
Lt. Vodvarka

“ Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED “

Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101.

firefightersfor911truthDOTorg/

end of story. I would like Frank to bring some evidence, but he wont, because he has none.

ev•i•dence
1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment:
2. Something indicative; an outward sign:
3. Law Documentary or oral statements/material objects admissible as testimony in a court.
1. To indicate clearly; exemplify or prove.

Nod

“irst conspiracy theorist one could encounter who thinks he has “the truth” ”

And I know for fact you belong to a society which things ignorant of fact, is knowledge. This is how the mass of morons in the US still think science was shut down on 911, so 19 guys with box cutters could take down 3 buildings through the path of most resistance, with two airplanes yet
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“Second, they do so in an appealingly simple way,”

“Occam’s razor (also Ockham’s razor or Ocham’s razor; Latin: lex parsimoniae “law of parsimony”) is the problem-solving principle that, when presented with competing hypothetical answers to a problem, one should select the one that makes the fewest assumptions. The idea is attributed to William of Ockham (c. 1287–1347), who was an English Franciscan friar, scholastic philosopher, and theologian.”

The real conspiracy liars, try to complicate matters, so the mindless morons cant figure out what is going on. And it works.
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“Third, conspiracy theories are often presented as special, secret knowledge unknown or unappreciated by others.”

Usually, they are unappreciated or disbelieved by morons who do not understand basic concepts like BIAS, greed, FACT, science, evidence, or expert knowledge.
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“For conspiracy theorists, the masses are a brainwashed herd, ”

You mean, for the mass media propagandists, the demagogues working for money power, and the liars in government who fear the bad side of inequality, so they keep their mouths shut, and say what told to say. Patriotism, nationalism, capitalism, communism, most every “ism is mindwashing to beLIEf which is tied to ego.

For intelligent conspiracy theorists, facts, logic, reason, evidence and, rational are the guild-lines to the simplest answer. The correct answer the morons try to deny because they beLIEve whatever else they are fed by the mindwashers. So they suffer cognitive dissonance. Then they call the person with the truth, as a “conspiracy theorist”, stupidly mind-washed to that concept being one of ridicule, rather than the concept of criminal cooperation which it really is.

You babble bullsh1t about something you are clueless about.

thinking 101

Frank Behrens

a six month old thread…are you feeling lonely Nod ? Well, that could happen when believing in nonsense.
But I fucking don`t care what you choose to believe or not and I will certainly not spend more time discussioning with you (or any other religious believer) .

As I said SIX MONTH ago….take your victory, smart one, and life long and prosper. Bye.

(There will be no answers from me, but feel free to post and write as you like ..mayhaps that helps in a way).

Nod

truth make your head hurt ?

“or any other religious believer”

And you rebut with more ignorance = knowledge. G.W. Bush would be proud of you.

AlexanderAmproz

In case you understand French or German,
this documentary on Confucius has to be absolutely seen,
such quality is rare !

https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/055170-000-A/la-chine-selon-confucius/

La Chine, selon Confucius

89 min.

Disponible du 07/04/2018 au 14/04/2018

Disponible en direct : oui

Prochaine diffusion le mercredi 18 avril à 09h25

Ce programme est disponible en vidéo à la demande ou DVD.

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Il y a deux mille cinq cents ans, un sage, philosophe et professeur, élaborait un mode de pensée qui imprègne encore aujourd’hui la Chine. Un étonnant documentaire-fiction à la découverte de ce personnage et de son héritage.

Le nom de Confucius nous est familier. Mais que savons-nous réellement de lui ? Qui était-il ? Quelle fut sa vie ? Et dans quelle mesure son époque a-t-elle façonné sa philosophie, encore vivante aujourd’hui ? Raconter son histoire, c’est également retracer celle de la Chine tout entière : si le philosophe est mort en 499 av. J.-C., c’est seulement plusieurs siècles après que sa doctrine a revêtu une telle importance, faisant de lui un personnage historique fondamental. Influencés par la période mouvementée qui l’a vu naître, ses enseignements abordent tous les éléments essentiels de la vie humaine – les notions de famille et d’amitié, de bon gouvernement et d’éducation, et celle du conflit entre désir individuel et responsabilité sociale. Une philosophie adoptée par les empereurs chinois autour de 100 av. J.-C., puis conservée à travers les siècles comme pilier de la culture et de l’éducation chinoises.

À l’école confucéenne

Le documentaire de Hugo MacGregor relie les enseignements du sage à des moments clés de son existence : sa naissance mythique sur une montagne sacrée, ses années d’errance à travers les principautés de la Chine pré-impériale, engagées dans des guerres violentes, jusqu’à la création de son école, à la fin de sa vie. En racontant l’histoire de Confucius, le réalisateur entreprend un voyage aux tréfonds de l’âme chinoise. Un documentaire riche d’enseignements sur le passé, mais aussi le présent de l’Asie.

Réalisation :

Yan Dong

Pays :

Royaume-Uni

Année :

2016

Bonus et extrait

La Chine, selon Confucius

3 min

Steve C

If you think the future is with Russia, your future is dark indeed. Talk shit about Putin, you end up with some sort of poisoning of just plain old “missing”.

AlexanderAmproz

I am not interested by overweight Cow-Boys muddy boots

The Simulacra Democracy

by JOHN STEPPLING FacebookTwitterGoogle+RedditEmail

… a nation in which 87 percent of eighteen- to twenty-four year olds (according to a 2002 National Geographic Society/Roper Poll survey) cannot locate Iran or Iraq on a world map and 11 percent cannot locate the United States (!) is not merely “intellectually sluggish.” It would be more accurate to call it moronic, capable of being fooled into believing anything …”
https://www.counterpunch.ORG/2017/10/26/the-simulacra-democracy/

The Ringworm Children: Zionist genocidal experiments on Jews
https://www.sott.net/article/201207-The-Ringworm-Children-Zionist-genocidal-experiments-on-Jews

American are degenerated paranoiac warmongers
unwelcome in Europe !

71% Of Military Age Americans Too Sick To Join, Study Says
https://www.naturalblaze.com/2018/03/71-percent-military-age-americans-too-sick-join.html

Nod

people my age lived through parts of the cold war.

They are trying to bring it back, but it will be much more difficult to do.

As Jay Rockefeller said.” we should not have invented the internet”. And the mass consciousness created by the internet, is a genie they just cannot put backinto the bottle. I have SEEN NATO invade the Europe it promised not to. While I have seen Russia go no where. I see America with 900 bases in 150 countries, with Russia staying at home and where they are INVITED. I see all that, because i have the internet.

I tune people out who proceed to tell me why those facts don’t count.

Americans are more susceptible to lies, because they are deliberately brain damaged with fluoride in the water, when world wide accepted science agrees that fluoride works topically, not systemically.

But I digress,

Globalism is the final goal, and it will not stop. Russia and China will capitulate to globalism, or there will be war.

I am not so sure the globalists are wrong either. The way we go now, sh1tt1ng and pi$$ing all over our collective home, we are doomed by a fixation on a self destructive socio economic paradigm of consumption for profit, ( and control), greed and envy.

If I were to speculate ? In a GLOBALIST WORLD, We still wont be “free” by any definition in any dictionary, any more than we are now. But the planet will be more sustainable. (As they promulgate)

The owners will still exist. Until we take away all mechanisms of control. Really a simple task. With THE technology upon us, and soon upon us.

I would suggest that we should all stop resisting the globalists, and let them do what they want. Maybe it works out better than many all think it will. We do need to stop our self destructive socio economic behaviors and inequality as a way of life.. Globalists promulgate this.

just dont adopt a belief. It damages our brain almost as bad as fluoride does. Do NOT teach your kids how to beLIEve. Teach them how to think freely, and criticize, to look for the angle. To see the BIAS, the prejudice, and the so often seen ignorance presented as knowledge. To see the good, the bad, for what it is. Absent obstructing beLIEfs.

AlexanderAmproz

“people my age lived through parts of the cold war”

In 62 I went to Hildesheim/Hanover in a NATO centurion Tanks base
and have seen the Vopos with guns in watch towers
by the “Iron Curtain”
In 68 during the Prague Spring I was in Ober-Bayern,
later on in the “Charlie Check-Point” Berlin, etc., etc.,
The Cold War was an obsession, today I realize everything was
from A to Z, mostly heavy propaganda manipulations…

If the Human being, environment and past civilizations study
isn’t put a the center of all preoccupations, the Planet and humanity
Future would be very dark and valueless…
The consumption and money society is plain Folly !

Nod

Imagine that, Jesus Christ responsible for the genocide done on Semites, by Zionists, in Israel occupied Palestine.

Zaphod Braden

pseudo-christian”zionists” really.

Nod

same crap, different pile IMO.