ISIS Brand – To Hype By Death

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ISIS Brand - To Hype By Death

A photo from the scene of the Las Vegas attack. Source: cnn.com

A new phenomenon is appearing amid the ongoing destruction of ISIS “Caliphate” in Syria and Iraq and the growing bandwagon around the ISIS brand.

On the one hand, multiple criminals and rowdies from different countries with an Islamic community use the ISIS brand in any strident situation descrediting the main ideological line promoted by the so-called “Caliphate”.

On the other hand, this situation has blown smoke in the ISIS media wing eyes and they have started using any rumors to further promote the ISIS brand around the world.

There is a chance that the Sunday mass shooting in the US city of Las Vegas could become a critical mistake for the ISIS propaganda. The terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the attack that resulted in killing of at least 50 people and injuring 400. However, it’s clear that the entire life of the gunman had been an antipole to the principles of the kind of Islam promoting by ISIS.

This statement could lead to further discreditation of Amaq and other ISIS-linked media as a source of info within its social base and could become the first step to their media collapse.

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  • Vido Dasler

    Until a testament video surfaces….

  • qveenz

    This is not to be underestimated. Maybe the guy killed for ISIS but is not very clear why. We may find a blackmail here.

  • Garga

    Neither Western MSM cares if the perpetrator’s whole life doesn’t make any sense if he was a Muslim nor the people who blow into the hype’s fire.
    Sole mentioning of Islam is enough for a lot of people to stop thinking any further. If MSM say he was a Muslim, that’s enough proof for them.
    Islam teaches that drinking alcohol (some clerics add drugs to that list too), sex out of wedlock, sodomy, lie, usury, slander, backbite and specially murder are great sins and forbidden, so any devout Muslim avoids doing them.
    We saw in a lot of terror attacks, false flag or not, the terrorist is announced to be a Muslim or a new convert. New converts even usually tend to be more informed and serious than the ones born a Muslim (unless they convert for gains or something, like some refugees). How can they do this things and be a religious person?

    For you dears, who will jump with the worn out cliche of “Taqiya”: Taqiya is ONLY permitted if admittance of being a Muslim puts you in immediate great harm or death, otherwise it is just a lie or worse, considered heresy.

    • RichardD

      A more realistic view may be to look at anything that has a middle east connection, for a possible Jew world order origin furthering their Israel and global hegemony project.

      • FlorianGeyer

        If the result of this massacre is the confiscation of all automatic or semi automatic firearms in the US, then the Jew World Order have gained a victory

        • RichardD

          I agree.

    • matt

      alcohol, sodomy. lie should not be considered sins. EVERY human lies now and then. Drugs are part of human culture since they left the trees, ot mayebe even still in the trees. Some other animals use drugs now and then as well. Sodomy is ok, as long as it involves two adults that both agree to perform it. Just stupid to call this a sin,

      • Seyed Hadi Aghazadeh

        hmm support kurdish seperatism promote drugs sodomy and lies….. im sure u love israel

        its all sin what Garga described
        we dont call it sin
        Allah called it sin
        so it is a sin

        who are u to challenge that? do u have enough knowledge and experience to say that Alcohol for example is ok? u arrogant piece of shit .

        my blood is from Kurdistan and i say get lost Kafir

        • matt

          i don’t care about any fake god.
          all religions came out of the fantasy of homo sapiens

          • Tom Tom

            matt, that’s just a fantasy of homo sapiens. There is a God. Can’t prove it either way.

      • Garga

        Read again, this time without haste…
        I rephrase:
        Islam considers X and Y as sins, so devout Muslims do not do X and Y. If they do, they are not religious.

        In short, being religious requires following the religion’s rules. If you don’t follow these rules, you are not religious.

        Perhaps you are projecting. Drugs are not part of everybody’s culture, a lot of people don’t lie, and a lot of people don’t like it up their butts. If you are used to these things, that’s fine, but has nothing to do with what I wrote.

        • matt

          Well, i went to several muslim countries and i am sure all those “crimes” are commited by A LOT of muslims. I drank and smoked with muslims and some of them tried to have sex with me. I prefer women, but what kind of sexual preferences adult people have should be up to them. Some of the clasical arab poetry is about men lovin men. Rumi was also in love with a man. It is part of human and other animals nature. I think it is possible to be muslim and gay, some christians do it as well.
          You might say that they are not muslims, but only god can judge about that, i believe thats repeated in the book several times….

          • as

            ‘Which make them human’ or are you pushing the idea that the majority of muslims is gay, criminals, enjoy drugs and mass murder ?
            If you can’t find or hasn’t meet with a decent Muslims after going in to their country then there’s something wrong with people you rather befriend.

          • matt

            1: you are twisting what i said, i met all kinds of people
            2: using drugs and being gay does not make someone undecent automatically
            3: where came the mass murder?

          • as

            By your reply to Garga you are implying that ‘religious’ person might well be committing crime while being religious at the same time in contrast to his point that any religious person would followed the very first basic of said religion first and foremost to qualify as being religious and in this context not to murder(topic of this article is the recent mass murder).
            This is from me but i think you were biased in how should a person qualified as being religious.

          • matt

            the abrahamic followers have been the worst murderers of other humans in human history and besides that they murder 60 bilion animals each year to eat them

          • as

            By abrahamic you would mean Christian, Muslims and jews. Buddhist, Taoist,Maoist, Hinduism, Shintoism, etc etc are unaccounted. Not to mention some nationalistic,economically caused and racially triggered genocide.

            60 billion is surprisingly few for animals being slaughtered for it’s meat.

          • as

            Abrahamic follower would be Muslim, Christian, and jews.

            60 billion is few numbers for animals slaughtered for it’s meat each year. Pork, beef, chicken, fish just take your pick.

          • matt
          • Vitex

            Can’t dispute that. You are an odd fellow.

      • Kell

        If the attackers were ANTIFA that indicates a possible Kurdish connection to the attack!
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/201b39da2d66264d66e429fa17060180bc31497bc5a639f7cf2c3ec8b01108af.jpg

        • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

          The PKK was visiting recently in the US and talking with Antifa this is all starting to sound like some sick plan by the US Deep State.

          • Kennethllindsy

            Only problem with that theory is that US is an ally & protector of the Kurds and has been pressuring Turk to make peace with PKK.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            The US has very little pull with Turkey and quite frankly they are only using the PKK/YPG as a proxy as they have always used them. Pkk has been doing quite a lot of work in training them and teaching them their warfare of terrorism. Many have no clue how long this has been going on as also these volunteers return home to train other Antifa members, why they are becoming more militant. This isn’t something that has just popped up it’s been going on for a few years already.

            There are two govts in the US that you see then their is the one you don’t see or even here about, they are hidden beyond all eyes so none can see many whisper but not about them.

          • Kennethllindsy

            For a time there were a limited number of US leftists, communists, Antifa & Anarchists who were going over to Syria to heolp.fight with the ypg. A good many of them were killed.
            But for some time now, as the Ypg as become part of larger SDF; the ypg has been sending the Americans, Brits etc back home from what I can tell from reports.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            They keep sending more to this conflict and it seems most are Antifa and are over in Syria and Iraq with the Kurds.

        • Vitex

          Well, I think that was an internet trope instead of a real thing. But the marxist tendencies of the YPG / PKK are frequently overlooked, and there’s a lot of crypto-marxism about

      • Vitex

        Fine for goyyim, not so good for jews I understand.

        • matt

          i don’t get it

          • Vitex

            The basic talmudic tenet is that you have to treat others as you would be treated (basic torah law, but amended by the talmud to include jews only – correct me if I am wrong). It is thus lawful for a talmudic jew to defraud, steal from or even murder a goy. I can produce links to well known rabbis confirming this theological stance.

          • matt

            no need, all 3 religions have this concept

          • Vitex

            Not Christianity. Jesus is very pointed in denouncing religious discrimination (parable of the Good Samaritan – google it). What Christians do in the name of Jesus is quite another matter. But Talmudic Jewish “exceptionalism” and the denouncing of the goyyim “even the best of them deserve to die” is not something you can easily explain away.

          • matt

            The crusades, slavery in the colonies and idigenous genocide in the americas are 3 examples of attrocities justified by christian faith.

          • Vitex

            You didn’t read very carefully. Christians, Muslims and Jews all do bad things in the name of religions as I acknowledged. But talmudism has a particular hatred for all non-jews, and if you deny that, you’re doing yourself and your co-religionists a disservice. Talmudism, in my opinion (and many here) sits at the heart of many of the atrocities committed in the modern world. And there is even some evidence that it sits at the heart of wahhabism.

          • matt

            you might be right about some parts in the talmud being anti goyim, but in all 3 religions, they talk about killing the others. the link to most killing i modern times is nonesense, that is the problem with all you guys, you believe in some secret evil cult that rules the world. mayebe you have seen too many harry potter/star wars movies?

          • matt

            i don’t have co-religionists
            I AM ATHEIST!

          • matt

            just show me parts of the talmud, the real one instead of anti jewish fragments that are pkaced out of context to show me the diferences with the old testament and the quoran wich are full of passages with hate towards non believers and bad treatment of women

          • Vitex

            You asked for it.

            I am not anti-semitic – I believe most Jews are ignorant or at least merely complicit in the worst aspects of Talmudism (you are correct though, other religions also excuse their “hate” crimes, including Christianity). Follow the link at your peril. Another jew testifying against the jews – what’s with that?

            http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=156

          • matt

            Monotheism is very intolerant in general. If we look to the polytheistic religions they leave more space for other thinking. The germanic, slav and roman religions were also much more tolerant. Romans just added important gods if the god had enough followers (Mitrah for example) I was in Elora once (India) a temple complex where hinduism, budhism and jainism built their temples next to each other in the same period, more or less 1000 AD. The link does not work, the website is a typical anti jew website, these kind of sites don’t impress me….
            If you have genuine talmud passages that proof that talmudism is worse then similair passages in the bible and the quoran, i will read them!

          • Vitex

            It worked when I tried it. Is Brother Nathanael (Kapner) antisemitic? I don’t think he can afford to be, being Jewish-born. However he is stridently anti-zionist and opposed to the unfair overrepresentation of Jewish influnece in the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf3-wcemMBQ. Warning, it talks about Yeshua, not Yeshu

          • matt

            This guy is VERY anti jewish, well known for it. Who cares if he was born that way? My mother was born a christian but she dislikes the religion a lot now. Not more then the other two, because its one faith basicly, although there are some diferences

          • Vitex

            It’s not that Judaism is worse. It’s what Judaism – in the form of Talmudism – does to the world. You can’t dispute that Jewish thought rules the media and controls the banks. And when you examine that, you have to question the motives of the Jewish aristocracy and what they intend for the goyyim. Tell me that George Soros is basically a Nice Guy.

  • RichardD

    I’ve watched these mass shootings for years, and this one is increasingly looking more like a Jew world order false flag attack then just a head case on psycho shooter pills:

    “Deadliest mass shooting in US history. 518 wounded, 58 dead.

    With the body count and wounded numbers rising, and the concert shooter, Stephen Paddock, dead, here are a few questions:

    What weapon was he using? That is important in deciding whether Paddock could, from a significant distance, inflict the reported destruction of life. Or whether, as earlier reports/rumors suggested, there was more than one shooter.

    At least ten weapons were found in the shooter’s hotel room. He had checked into the Mandalay Resort Hotel several days earlier. How did he bring in all the weapons? Disassembled? Did he have prior experience with weapons?

    In an interview, Paddock’s brother said he was absolutely shocked, and his brother, Stephen, was “just a guy.” No motive, no reason to go on a rampage. True? False? What turned him into a killer? Had he ever been under psychiatric care? Had he been prescribed, for example, SSRI antidepressants, which are known to push people over the edge, into homicidal violence? If he was “just a guy,” did that include significant experience handling weapons? Was he capable of bringing all or some of the weapons into the hotel in pieces and then assembling them?

    The Guardian: Paddock’s brother said, “He’s not an avid gun guy at all. The fact that he had those kind of weapons is just – where the hell did he get automatic weapons?”

    https://www.infowars.com/questions-swirl-in-the-las-vegas-mass-shooting/

    • RichardD

      Full autos are available in the US, but they’re expensive and not easy to get. Long guns chambered in a rifle cartridge in particular. Which is what it looks was used in this shooting. They start at about $15,000 minimum.

    • RichardD

      518 wounded and 58 dead. That’s almost 600 rounds not counting misses. Unless the shooter was running something belt fed. That’s an awful lot of shooting and magazine changes for one person to do in a short amount of time. That would be over 20 30 round magazines pre loaded and changed in rapid succession. https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/ap_17275498021240.jpg

      • RichardD

        This picture evidently taken during the shooting appears to show simultaneous gun fire coming from two different locations adjacent to where the broken windows are:
        https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/v1506943443/las-vegas-shooting_psmzex.jpg

        • Kell

          Interesting!
          I hear at least 2 weapons being fired similtaniously.

      • Kell

        I hear at least two weapons firing – reports leaking out the dude was Antifa

      • FlorianGeyer

        I have sometimes fired off a few hundred rounds on the range to get rid of them as the paperwork to hand them back was a pain in the arse. I can say that an assault rifle firing a few mags at a time gets literally too hot to handle.

        • RichardD

          I agree. But a M1919 .30 cal machine gun converted to semi auto and fitted with a crank fire system will easily do what was done.

          • FlorianGeyer

            I have never used one of those. My experience was with UK and Russian weapons.

          • RichardD

            They’re designed for full auto. Converted over to semi auto and fitted with a crank fire. They’re extremely dependable. Provided that it’s a well built crank system and not something poorly made:
            http://www.crankfiresystems.com/images/2008crankfire/DCP_0018.JPG

          • FlorianGeyer

            Ah, the Crank system is similar to the first gatling guns then ?

          • RichardD

            Only in that a crank is used. With a Gatling gun it’s a multi barreled rotary cannon with the firing pin activated by the rotation. With a crank fire it’s a trigger cam with one or more lobes depressing and releasing the trigger each time it makes contact.

          • Not Sure

            Agreed. The rate of fire and the type of noise that the weapon was making in the videos instantly told me that it was a Browning 1919. I’ve been to enough WWI and WWII reenactment events to know what these older MGs sound like.

          • RichardD

            It doesn’t look like a crank fire was used. I think that the question of how he did it has been answered. This is purportedly a picture from inside his room of the weapons used. It doesn’t look like he broke any laws prior to the massacre. Everything in the picture is legal to buy and own. The gun on the left is fitted with a slide stock bump fire stock and a 60 or probably 90 round double stack magazine. Probably in .223/5.56 caliber. Now the question of why he did it needs to be answered:
            http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/204/photos/738000/620x/Las-Vegas-shooting-649472.jpg

          • Not Sure

            Some witnesses are now saying that the MG sounded / looked like it was coming from the 4th floor. Also, some pictures and videos make it apparent that there were two shooters firing simultaneously on the 32nd floor. This guy definitely had a team. They probably used him to gain access to the rooms with his GF’s hotel credentials (employee room card), popped a round in him once they were set up, and then went about their dirty business. When the police showed up and blew down the door, they were gone and he was conveniently left there as evidence. Just my 2 cents.

          • RichardD

            They were at the door 17 minutes after the shooting started from the smoke alarm. With pre loaded mags and multiple rifles set up with slide stocks and double stack mags to switch between to deal with the heat issue. He could of easily run the whole op himself. I haven’t seen anything conclusive yet to convince me otherwise.

          • JimmieKrackKorn

            The fact he was a novice gun owner? Carried equipment up to room built platform, aquired illegal equipment, assembled assault rifles, set up ammo for easy reach, remembered to save one to eat when cops arrive- all while tripping on adrenaline- smashed out two thick a** windows with glass chards raining down on guests and MB security never notice. Properly execute this operation to perfection, maybe -for a trained SEAL Spec Ops
            but he was a retired accountant who spent all his time gambling instead of training with semi legal weaponry. Yes a pro could do it alone even then it wouldn’t be easy, but a moronic gambler retired old man could not.

          • RichardD

            He was a self made multi millionaire, he could have figured all of that stuff out and done it on his own. And unless I see conclusive evidence to the contrary, I’d say that that’s probably what happened.

          • Vitex

            There are several reports that say they didn’t SWAT his arse until about 11pm… were those false?

          • RichardD

            No, I don’t think that they were. I covered the reasons for the delay in the other post.

          • RichardD

            This is what I’m building for contact work. I have 400 rounds of 30-06 armor piercing ammo for it. For probes, small ships and tough to take down lifeforms. At Vegas with cover. I could have even uped the playing field with the shooter quickly if I’d been there. Shooting into an occupied hotel is obviously a problem. So it would be a judgement call.
            https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2014/08/09/3367633_01_tactical_remington_7400_30_06__640.jpg

          • RichardD

            It’s built on a Remington 7400 receiver and barrel assembly for anti material work. The tolerances are tighter than an M1 Garand battle rifle. And it has sniper rifle accuracy.

          • Vitex

            Now if you’re a knowledgeable military type (like, f’rinstance, most of the cops there) and you have an M16 with a scope (like most coppers do these days, even in NZ) wouldn’t you be scanning the windows above for a shooter, and returning fire? It all looks scripted. They just cowered behind their cars like a bunch of girls. Did they think it was a drill? Or where they just too damned scared?

          • RichardD

            The reports that I’ve read and listened to say that the shooting only lasted 10 minutes, and then stopped completely. Shooting into an occupied hotel at night is a risky proposition. It looks like he was running muzzle brake/flash suppressors on his Presidential Executive Office’s electronic reception office that minimize the visibility of the muzzle flash. Making it more difficult to locate. If you’ve ever been to Las Vegas you’d know that the city has a lot of different types of lights all over the place.

            The police are understandably reluctant to return fire when they’re not sure of the source. At 500 to 600 yards it’s difficult to see or hear where the shooting is coming from. Once they located the room that he was shooting from and got people up there. The shooting stopped. He may have already been dead from a self inflicted gun shot.

            There reports that they were concerned that the room was booby trapped. And it took them some time to clear the area and make a forced entry.

      • Vitex

        Same as the Fla gay shooting. Seems Foxtel needs a hopelessly-exaggerated body-count to make the news. Can’t wait for the crisis actors to show up. Hmm… now what other massacres in history have hopelessly-exaggerated body counts… anybody?

        • PZIVJ

          But how many can be killed or wounded in a mass stampede of people?
          I have not read a breakdown of the casualty numbers yet. :(

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    • Assad Did Nothing Wrong™

      The immediate calls for any type of gun control (whether they would have stopped this tragedy or not) tell me all I need to know about this situation. The moment 2nd Amendment is struck from the Constitution is the moment we must decide to fight for our future and overthrow the Establishment or be slaves to the global elite until the end of time.

    • FlorianGeyer

      You make some very valid points. Whether we will see logical answers remains to be seen.
      If he was not trained or interested in the use of firearms it all seems rather odd, especially when he had 10 weapons with differing characteristics. Firing indiscriminately at a large crowd of course requires less skill than aimed shots at moving targets.

      • RichardD

        You don’t need full auto to do what was done. A crank fire semi auto belt fed machine gun will attain 50% to 70% of the rate of fire of full auto. Some of the video that I’ve listened to have irregular rates of fire. A full auto is steady. It took 70 minutes to stop the shooting.

        He was wealthy. He would have no trouble setting up what was done without breaking any laws. And could have carried it out by himself without any help and without breaking any laws up to the point where he carried out the massacre.

        His girlfriend was evidently Muslim and Alex Jones is emphatic that the shooter was an Antifa supporter and into radical Islam according to sources directly from LE in the room after he was killed. Who examined a lot of evidence indicating that.

        There are strong indications that it was a false flag attack as part of a Jew world order effort to get a civil war started.

        • Kell
        • FlorianGeyer

          Perhaps only the horrors of a civil war can bring Americans to their senses now.

          The Ignorance of all too many Americans on both sides of the divide is a symptom of Nationalistic Arrogance that all past empires have suffered from.

          • RichardD

            I think that we had this debate before. And at the time I said that it wouldn’t happen without an economic collapse or some bizarre false flag machinations to try to get one started. This mass shooting isn’t going to do it. But if Alex Jones projections of follow up violence after this plays out. It would be a problem.

            I don’t think that most Americans are going to turn on the government. What would probably happen is a modern form of frontier justice where vigilantes will start taking matters into their own hands and the police if they’re temporarily overwhelmed are going to look the other way. It could get bloody, but you’d probably end up with a lot of dead and injured radicals.

            If people who get in government start taking away rights and freedoms that Americans are used to, that could change. Right now I don’t see that happening.

          • RichardD

            The 2008 financial crisis and endless wars have changed a lot of that. If Trump had legislative support for what he won the election on. Which is what 85% of the country voted for. Things would be much different. Instead he’s trying to avoid Jew world order impeachment and civil war.

        • Kennethllindsy

          Alex was just fishing, throwing out multiple incompatible theories.

        • Kennethllindsy

          Also, shooter may have used a bump stock since it might be more manageable for a 450 yard shot at near full auto speed than using a trigger crank.

          • RichardD

            He had weapons set up on two tripods, one in each window. Some of the bursts were longer than 30 rounds. Though there are higher capacity mags and drums. A bump stock could also explain the irregular rate of fire.

      • Vitex

        That’s my problem. It all stinks. Nothing consistent about the shooter’s back story, his behaviour, the reports, the head count, the crowd’s behaviour……and we get super-grainy 144fps video footage when everyone at the concert had a smartphone.

    • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

      They found lot of Antifa literature in the room , could this have been an attack made to look as Antifa carried it out. There has been a lot of radicalizing of these groups of late and the US might be looking at them as possible radicalized terrorist group. There had been many videos showing how this type of radicalization is growing more violent and them being armed with automatic weapons. These groups seems like they are getting way out of hand.

      • Kell
      • Kennethllindsy

        Is there any Antifa literature? Or just an overstatement by press etc.
        His background is that he had worked for a defense contractor and lived in Texas for over a decade. So he would have had FBI security checks.

        • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

          Apparently the response team that went in there and found it after shooting him in the head,so far this is the media and other people on the ground have several facebook friends in the area there.

          • Kennethllindsy

            Without seeing the literature, who knows. For all we know it could have been comic books or something he got just never threw away. More importantly would be emails and internet correspondence with different groups but there hasn’t been any disclosure of that kind of information.

    • Kennethllindsy

      But, His brother didn’t know details of his life well and said as much.
      Shooter had an Alaska hunting license and had legally purchased 30 firearms plus was a pilot who owned 2 airplanes.

    • AMHants

      Good points raised. Must admit, I did wonder how just one person, who conveniantly took himself out, could hit so many, with nobody noticing. There again, ‘false flags’ normally are my first line of thought. Isn’t IS IS working for the same people who use ‘flase flags’? Is that why IS IS will associate themselves with every action in their mates script? Apologies if it was not a false flag and people are grieving for their loved ones.

  • Kennethllindsy

    Key is probably the Muslim Phillipino girlfriend who has traveled to Middle East, probably with the shooter. Pictures of Dubai on her Facebook page.
    Since Baghdadi Friday Statement there were known attacks in Paris, Canada & Damascus.
    Was this just a coincidence?

    • Tom Tom

      Nope, and also Bag-Daddy got his paycheck on Friday from Uncle Sam.

  • Davki

    US authorities ruled out a connection with IS (Daesh). It looks like a typically american crime. The shooter apparently had ten loaded weapons, some of them automatic. There was a crowd of 20.000+ ppl attending a concert. So the numbers aren’t surprising, albeit horrible. I agree with the assessment that Daesh’s credibility is greatly undermined. They hardly have the means to mount much. At any rate, one should ask oneself how accurate previous claims were. They weren’t checked by western governments before, perhaps because it was convenient to have an excuse for war in the Middle East. With IS effectively defeated, these excuses are necessary anymore.

    • Kennethllindsy

      US typically publicly denies link to ISIS for attacks in US soil. SEE Orlando shooting where shooter told police dispatch several times he was Isis.

  • John Brown

    ISIS threatened Las Vegas and this area specifically with propaganda videos before and claimed responsibility for this attack. It’s very similar to the Marseilles truck attacker who had no links to ISIS either, until after a very long investigation. There should not be any easy evidence of links to ISIS as one would assume this guy would have been caught before he could do it if there was lots of easy evidence. It was on the same day as attacks in Edmonton Canada and in France Marseilles again. Who believes what US authorities say about anything these days? It’s a big defeat for USA security forces and their huge budgets and surveillance powers if ISIS pulled this off.

    • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

      These are all Antifa attacks be worried if they don’t report them as such.

  • Kell

    Reports are begining to leak out the guy was ANTIFA.
    Considering the target was a Country Music festival that is implicitely White, Pro Second Amendment and Anti-Globalist/NWO this would seem to confirm this.
    It seems as the 100th year aniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia that killed, starved, tortured to death 66 million Russians and Eastern Europeans that ANTIFA is trying to kick off a revolution in the United States backed by their Globalist, Banker, Media allies.

    http://www.neon-nettle.com/news/2850-las-vegas-shooting-exposed-as-antifa-led-false-flag-attack

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/557a38bdf9cf69efa6750b20eae407e2de5d3c01fa5d37499c6a2a0bf8551a88.jpg

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    • Vitex

      The only question to be asked. I’d say the state benefits and we will see another round of “defence spending” or “arming the police” or “loss of civil liberties” or “anal probing at airports” or something.

  • Kell
    • RichardD

      Jew world order 101.

      • John Brown

        Anitfa and ISIS are both groups created and controlled by racist supremacist Jews. Anitfa George Soros and Rothchilds etc ISIS by Israel directly and Rothchilds etc.

  • Tom Tom

    ..or, it could possibly his “girlfriend” who picked up a sugar daddy, then influenced the guy with drugs and who knows what else to bring the guy to the point he would do something like that. The girlfriend is an Australian national with Indonesian parents and possibly a muslim. The police discovered Antifa literature in his apartment along with photos of his girlfriend in the middle east.

    But who knows….

    • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

      This guy didn’t have the stablest backgrounds his grandfather had a bit of a reputation as a violent criminal his father had a mental illness of being psychopathic in description. His niece lives in the middle east I believe that explains the connection there since it’s in Dubai and he is on medication as his brother stated wonder if it isn’t some type of false flag operation.

      • Kennethllindsy

        Have not heard about the niece yet.
        One of the triggers we have seen with others is that an attack happens in US after the shooter visits the Middle East.

        • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

          think that visit was long ago as they were old photos but always a connection but the wrong one.

          • Kennethllindsy

            Was not the picture of Marilou on facebiok taken in Dubai of last year ?

    • John Brown

      As far as I am aware the official ISIS propaganda arm has never claimed an attack they did not commit. Those who claim ISIS has claimed lots of attacks they did not do, please provide examples with links to back up this claim.

    • as

      Before there being a good suspect there should be a good cases first. This one reeks very much like a false flags with rumors and accusations flying around.
      I’m sure there’s a better explanation than him being an IS for a short time trigger this.

      • RichardD

        I think that psychiatric drugs may have been part of it. More information on motive is restricted by the lack of a trial. But more information will come out over time.

  • RichardD

    “Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, had an arsenal of 17 weapons in his hotel room, mostly military-style rifles, according to a law enforcement source.

    At least one of them had been modified with a legal “bump stock” style device that allows the shooter to rapidly fire off rounds without actually converting it to a fully automatic weapon, the source said.”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-paddock-had-19-rifles-in-room-1506985512-htmlstory.html

  • RichardD

    At this stage we have a shooter whose father had serious criminal and mental issues, whose girl friend had recently been in the middle east and according to some reports is Muslim, he is reported to have had a large number of guns and explosives material, and was in possession of Antifa and Islamic material in the room where the shooting took place according to Alex Jones citing LE sources who were there. It has all of the trappings of a false flag.

    What’s missing is who was he involved with prior to the shooting? If the Jones report is true. And he was involved with Antifa anarchists and possibly Islamic terrorists. Then it looks like a false flag attack carried out for subversives using a vain glorious head case who wanted to go out in a blaze of glory as an historically famous fanatic. Who played right into the hands of people trying to cause a lot of trouble in the US looking for some nutter to do the dirty deed for them.

  • goingbrokes

    The claimed shooter is dead – so what’s new? Dead don’t talk, but I bet he would have had something very interesting to say. Gladio, here we go. Even if SP was the shooter, he is sure to be controlled by an agent. This is how we are herded in pre-determined directions. Remember that Syria went out of control because extremist snipers started killing police, Maidan went to hell after snipers targeted people in the streets. If this is not an organised shooting I will be very surprised.

  • gs1710

    where did he got the automatic weapons? I think, you can buy them in shops in the US. This is unbelivable for us in Europe and for many people in America, too.

    • RichardD

      There are about 800,000 registered transferable machine guns available for private ownership in the US. But it doesn’t look like he had one. And was using after market accessorizes that increase the rate of fire.

  • hhabana

    Hillary supporter? Any party affiliation?

  • eric zweistein

    None of the terror attacks of recent years have been ‘real’, as SouthFront naively assumes. Intelligent people can spot the markers of ZionIntel hoaxes in each and every case without much effort and to a very convincing degree.

  • RichardD

    It took a Las Vegas swat team trained to deal with an active shooter situation an hour to open the door while hundreds of people are being machine gunned by the shooter?” Something’s not right:

    “The assailant began firing weapons[7] from an elevated floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel into the crowd attending the festival[8][9][10] during Aldean’s performance at approximately 10:08 p.m. PDT on October 1, 2017.[8][10] Many people in the crowd initially mistook the gunfire for fireworks.[11] The gunfire continued intermittently for around ten minutes.[12]

    By around 10:25 pm, a group of officers had reached the hotel’s 32nd floor and locked it down.[13] They announced themselves outside Paddock’s suite and he fired through the door, wounding a hotel security guard.[14] At around 11:21 pm, police breached the room with explosives.[13] The perpetrator was found dead, having shot himself just before the police entered”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_Strip_shooting

  • RichardD

    I think that the question of how he did it has been answered. This is purportedly a picture from inside his room of the weapons used. It doesn’t look like he broke any laws prior to the massacre. Everything in the picture is legal to buy and own. The gun on the left is fitted with a slide stock bump fire stock and a 60 or probably 90 round double stack magazine. Probably in .223/5.56 caliber. Now the question of why he did it needs to be answered:
    http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/204/photos/738000/620x/Las-Vegas-shooting-649472.jpg

  • RichardD

    With the information that I’ve looked at so far. I think that the most likely motive for the shooter was a sympathy/protest justification for what he viewed as a moral act in light of US atrocities from non stop fabricated war. His girl friend may have been Muslim which may have been a contributing factor.

    I haven’t seen anything conclusive to show that it was a false flag or psychiatric drug fueled shooting. If new information becomes available I may change my assessment. But at this time I think that the primary motivation for the shooter’s actions may have been revenge against US atrocities against innocent people overseas.

  • RichardD

    It looks like Paddock was on psychiatric medication:

    “The gunman purchased 50 10-milligram tablets of diazepam — better known under its brand name Valium — on June 21, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported, citing records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program.

    The prescription was from Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler”

    http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/las-vegas-shooter-was-prescribed-anti-anxiety-meds-over-the-summer/

    “Diazepam is a sedative-hypnotic drug in the class of drugs known as benzodizepines, which studies have shown can trigger aggressive behavior. Chronic use or abuse of sedatives such as diazepam can also trigger psychotic experiences, according to drugabuse.com.”

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

  • RichardD

    I now have to modify my assessment. The shooting did have a shooter with a psychiatric drug issue. Which confirms my earlier suspicions. Now the only remaining question is was it a government false flag operation using a drugged mind controlled psycho shooter. Or just another mass shooting by someone on psycho shooter pills. Like almost every other mass shooting in the US involving these dangerous drugs.