Is Turkish sudden battle tank attack on S-400 a possibility?

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Is Turkish sudden battle tank attack on S-400 a possibility?

Originally appeared at Interpolit, translated by James Cooksey exclusively for SouthFront

“Turkish troops could make a rapid rush with the tanks to the area of Russian S-400 air defense systems and overtake it,” said a former Russian journalist Yevgeny Kiselyov on the of radio station “UkrLife”, who’s been working in recent years in Ukraine.

According to him, Hmeymim airport is only three hours by tank away from Turkish border “Scenario that these missiles would fall into the hands of Turkey, who at any moment can make a sudden move into the Syrian territory is quiet possible,” — shared his fantasies Kiselev. Perhaps such “hypotheses” of political defector wouldn’t be worth considering, if the recent events in Syria haven’t shown how suddenly and dramatically situation can develop. How much it affects the most different reasons. Once Turkey crossed a red line, knocking Russian bomber out of the sky, no one can guarantee that she won’t try to do it again.

Also worrisome is the information published on Sunday by the German media.

1200 German troops could be deployed in Syria to fight “Islamic state” terrorists, writes DieWelt. According to the inspector General of the Bundeswehr Folkeregister this number of troops would be sufficient to support and maintain German air force and Navy in Syria.

It is noted that the imminent deployment of Germany forces in Syria may be the largest for the country’s army outside its own borders. Interestingly, German media doesn’t ask any questions on how this decision is coordinated with the official Syrian leadership.

One shouldn’t be afraid of the Turkish rapid tank rush, — says the President of the Academy of geopolitical problems Leonid Ivashov. — It is hardly possible. But you have to be ready for everything. It is necessary to continue support Syrian army with equipment and weapons. In some most important sectors, perhaps we should place our land forces. But only in order to introduce them into battle as a last measure, also for defense of strategic objects, such as S-400 missile system.

Additionally, it is necessary now (although it should’ve been done before) to make an official statement to the Turkish leadership that we reserve the right to answer any Turkish armed provocations.

But if we are talking about direct military invasion by Turkish troops in Syrian territory, President Erdogan needs to be reminded that nobody cancelled the Treaty of friendship and mutual assistance between the Soviet Union and Syria of 1980. In the case of third party aggression against Syria, we not only can, but even are obliged to respond in defense of an ally. And we’ll conduct accordingly.

It is now necessary to augment our naval force in the Black sea and near the borders of Turkey. That is, to respond to provocations not only with economic and diplomatic measures, but also with a serious military preparations.

— However, Turkey is a NATO member. Could’ve Russian actions against her on behalf of Syria mark the beginning of the Third World War?

— After the incident with the downed Russian bomber the Alliance in fact, denied Turkey support. Alliance’s top brass treat Russia-Turkey relations as a matter outside of “NATO’s business”.

This should be taken into account. And actively work with France and Germany. Reports of a possible German troops dispatch to Syria should be a signal for our diplomats and military, to agree on coordinated action. Europe does not want Turkey to drag it into a war with Russia. It needs to be assisted in avoiding this.

— Turkish army tank raid will be an overt act of aggression against the sovereign Syrian state, — said the Director of the Center for geopolitical expertise Valery Korovin. — If such an aggression happens, it will mean the end of the existing model of international law; in fact, it will become the largest post Second World War revision of the world. Therefore, it is unlikely that such treachery of Turkey towards Syria can be regarded seriously. An open attack on the Assad’s army will mean war with Russia. Russian troops are in Syria by invitation of the legitimate government of country. That can’t be trueregarding any other foreign soldiers on the territory of this country. So if Germany, even under the pretext of fighting ISIS, will introduce its military to Syria without the consent of Bashar al Assad, it will also mean aggression towards this country.

Regarding to the Turkey‘s war against Syria and Russia there can be two scenarios. Either Turkey will be thrown out of NATO, as an inadequate member of the Alliance, or NATO would have to engage in an open war with Russia. And latter is likely to lead to a nuclear conflict. Still, we know that USA is reluctant to fight the fight with nuclear powers; they even fear the countries that have the potential of acquiring nuclear weapons. Taking this into account, the scenario of direct confrontation between Russia and NATO in Syria is unlikely. USA rules the world, at least the part that is called the West, and therefore Americans are bestowed with responsibility to warn their allies, including such inadequate wild-card, like Erdogan, from unjustified attacks against Russia and other countries, risking of putting the world to the brink of nuclear catastrophe.

— Can German troops be deployed in Syria with the consent of Bashar al-Assad and the Russian governments?

— In this case it would mean the creation of a new antiterrorist coalition under the aegis of Russia. And then our country, no longer looking back at the US, will be able to draw countries that could be useful in the fight against terrorism. Germany might be useful in Pro-Russian anti-terrorist coalition. In large by establishing a precedent when a NATO member acts in the interests of Russia, and in some sense under the authority of Russia. Of course, this will cause a sharp criticism in the US and undermine NATO. Therefore, this scenario is doubly the one Americans will tolerate. But countries like Iran and even India could take part in the fight against ISIS in Syria under the authority of Russia. India, like Russia, is not interested in the global spread of radical Islamic ideas. And besides, frankly, is not averse to test their new weapons in combat.

Successful antiterrorist operations of the coalition under the aegis of Russia could be the first steps in building a new security model in the middle East, and in the future — all over the world.

— We are here to stay for a long time, – says chief editor of the magazine “National Defense” Igor Korotchenko. — There will be two of our bases now — naval and air. Various political loser’s “assumptions” that Turkish tanks could enter Syria is absurd.

The truth is that we, in fact, conduct anti-terror ops, which along with Syria and Iran are indirectly supported by France, who signed the intelligence sharing agreement.

Russia, being completely legitimate in its support of the Syrian army will seize this support only when most important areas of Syria are liberated from jihadists.

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  • I don’t know if a “TURKISH SUDDEN BATTLE TANK ATTACK ON S-400 A POSSIBILITY?”

    But what I wanted to mention, while we are on the subject of Turkish sudden (or not sudden) battle tank attacks ….

    President Obama’s demand that Turkey close the Turkish / Syria border to ISIS movements is a reasonable first move but for victory needs following through with something more aggressive – such as an invasion force to take Raqqa.

    I have proposed a battle-plan whereby a mostly Turkish force, the Turkish 3rd Corps, a NATO rapid deployable corps, supplemented with up to 10,000 US forces and up to 10,000 European NATO forces invades north Syria to take the ISIS capital of Raqqa.

    That however would be a NATO battle-plan and invasion forces would be under the command of the NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe and so President Erdogan should not imagine that such an invasion would be “his show” or that he personally was indispensable to such an invasion because Turkey can always get a new president!

    So if Russia can behave itself with its S-400 and not shoot down NATO planes, then I will recommend to NATO to overrule any order from Erdogan to attack the S-400 and recommend instead a Turkish tank attack on Raqqa.

    Can’t say fairer than that.

    • First Lastname

      Why would NATO seize Raqqa when it’s filled with their own proxy army? If NATO started to actually battle ISIS, who would accomplish NATO’s goal of deposing Assad? NATO would have to move into Damascus themselves.

      • Why would NATO seize Raqqa when it’s filled with their own proxy army?

        ISIS is not NATO’s proxy army.

        One may be forgiven for wondering to what extent ISIS is Turkey’s proxy army because there are grounds for suspicion.

        NATO powers, except unofficially Turkey, do not use oil from ISIS-controlled oil-fields. However many others in Syria do do oil business with ISIS, regrettably.

        So Syrians, Kurds and Turks should examine the way some of their countrymen have done business with ISIS or with middle-men traders who buy oil from ISIS-controlled territory and sell it onwards so that many in the region fund ISIS from trading in ISIS-taxed oil business.

        If NATO started to actually battle ISIS

        I trust that we are finally beginning to see all NATO countries (except Turkey perhaps) understanding the need actually to do battle with ISIS more robustly including destroying ISIS-controlled oil industry infrastructure, targeting oil trucks etc.

        For too long, I believe that weak-minded leadership of NATO officials – led by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg – have been manipulated by Turkey into not attacking ISIS-controlled oil-fields.

        I trust that finally the weak-minded fools who run NATO are beginning to be embarrassed into examining how Turkey has manipulated the rest of NATO.

        Turkey must be put on the spot – if Turkey wants that oil it should be honest and send in its army with NATO blessing and support to occupy the Syrian oil-fields, expelling ISIS. Turkey should not be dishonest and use ISIS as a proxy army to control those oil fields, profiting Turkey financially but causing massive security problems for Syria, Europe and the world.

        However, I do think that the Damascus or Baghdad governments would not take too kindly to Turkey invading to kick out ISIS and seize those oil fields – because they might wonder if Turkey would ever leave!

        Nevertheless, since neither Damascus nor Baghdad can defeat ISIS in the short term I believe that a NATO-blessed and supported Turkish army invasion of ISIS-controlled parts of Syria and Iraq would help.

        I would much rather have parts of Syria and Iraq controlled by the Turkish military than by ISIS. So if that is the choice then Turkey with NATO’s blessing should invade.

        That does not mean that NATO should be forgiving of the way Erdogan has handled this whole affair. On the contrary, NATO should make common cause with Erdogan’s political opponents in Turkey to hold him to account for his abuses of power.

        who would accomplish NATO’s goal of deposing Assad? NATO would have to move into Damascus themselves.

        Well I rather think many in NATO would prefer to see a cease-fire between al-Assad forces and the moderate Syrian opposition so that all guns can be turned on ISIS.

  • Nexusfast123

    A lot of things are possible. That would be considered an act of war by Russia

  • How could Turkey directly attack Russian forces? When North Korea has promised to nuke Turkey right off of the map if they dare move against Russia or Syria directly.
    North Korea is the worlds leading Nationalist state, and they are not afraid to check-mate evil-globalist.
    Turkey has no nukes, and no aircraft carriers, and no long rang tactical bombers to retaliate lol.
    North Korea could kill all Turks, without Korea suffering even one casualty. hahah

    • Ali İhsan Aydoğdu

      Do not underestimate the power of Turkey Turkey NATO in the US is after strong most powerful country is located in Turkey despite the Korean military air and do ship now Turkey aircraft could attack Russian air attack their own national resources, but did not dare to bilidig Turkey’s not empty and also have a say in the Turkish government in world politics He wants to be the world says it is greater than 5 Turkish politics is not afraid of anything ever