Iraqi Kurdistan To Declare Independence Unilaterally, If Baghdad Refuses Negotiate – Barzani’s Spokesman

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Iraqi Kurdistan To Declare Independence Unilaterally, If Baghdad Refuses Negotiate - Barzani's Spokesman

FILE IMAGE: A Kurdish Peshmerga forces member (Photo by Dan Kitwood/Getty Images)

The Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) will declare an independence of Iraqi Kurdistan unilaterally, if the Iraqi Federal Government does not enter negotiations on the terms and condictions of this move, Vahal Ali, director of communications in the office of Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani said on September 29.

Ali blamed the Iraqi government for a “very aggressive” stance towards the independence referendum as well as for Baghdad’s threats to cut the KRG oil pipeline to Turkey and the air flights ban over the region, according to the New York Times (NYT).

“We are hopeful that these are all temporary measures,” the NYT quoted Ali as saying. “We want this to be a peaceful transition, but if Baghdad decides not, there is a lot we can also do.”

Barzani’s spokesman emphasized that Iraqi Kurds overwhelmingly voted in favor of independence in the Monday raferendum and the KRG would be pushed to unilaterally declare independence if Baghdad does not enter in negotiations over the “peaceful” transition.

“President Barzani was obligated to conduct the referendum and now is obligated to respond to that result,” Ali said. “We’ve repeatedly said we can negotiate, but that has to be on the question of independence.”

It seems a lack of any international support does not cool off the KRG that clearly seeks to turn an northern Iraqi area controlled by its military forces into an independent Kurdish state.

Meanwhile, US State Secretary Rex Tillerson announced that the US rejects the KRG’s referendum and its outcome in an official statement:

The United States does not recognize the Kurdistan Regional Government’s unilateral referendum held on Monday.

The vote and the results lack legitimacy and we continue to support a united, federal, democratic and prosperous Iraq.

We remain concerned about the potential negative consequences of this unilateral step. Prior to the vote, we worked with both the KRG and the central government in Baghdad to pursue a more productive framework and to promote stability and prosperity for the people ‎of the Kurdistan region. These aspirations, ultimately, cannot be advanced through unilateral measures such as this referendum.

We urge calm and an end to vocal recriminations and threats of reciprocal actions. We urge Iraqi Kurdish authorities to respect the constitutionally-mandated role of the central government and we call upon the central government to reject threats or even allusion to possible use of force. The United States asks all parties, including Iraq’s neighbors, to reject unilateral actions and the use of force.

The fight against ISIS/ Daesh is not over, and extremist groups are seeking to exploit instability and discord. We urge our Iraqi partners to remain focused on defeating ISIS/Daesh.

We encourage all sides to engage constructively in a dialogue to improve the future of all Iraqis.”

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  • Rafik Chauhan

    FIRST BARZANI THREATHEN WITH VOTE AND DID IT AND WHEN IRAQI GOVERMENT IS DOING SAME BARZANI ZIONIST ARE PUTTING CONDITION. LET C MR BARZANI ZIONIST HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DEAL WHEN SANCTION AND BORDER WILL BE CLOSED . LET C IF ISRAEL WILL COME TO HELP U AND FOR HOW LONG. BARZANI SLAVE ARE TAKING KURDS IN MISERY AND ANOTHER WAR AND WHOEVER VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE AND BACKSTAB THIER OWN NIEHBOURS WILL PAY HEAVILY

    • Garga

      A lot of us agree with you, but please, please turn your caps lock off. It’s hard to read.

    • dutchnational

      How can a free, democratic and non binding vote on a referendum be threatening?

      Only in a dictatorship.

      Even when, in capitals, you are shouting nonsense.

      • Rodger

        I don’t hear the EU protesting Spain’s response to one of those in Catalonia much.

        • dutchnational

          I myself am very much in favor of a free referendum in Catalonia. Reports are between 45 to 55% of people in Catalonia do not want independence.

          I do think it is fair to demand that a referendum like that should require a qualified majority, not 50% of one and with a required minimum participation of a certain percentage.

          In the Netherlands fi the constitution can only be changed by a qualified majority of 60 or 67% of parliament and has to be accepted both before and after a general election.

          This is to safegueard against pressure, against whims etc.

          I do not know what “rules” were proposed for the referendum but let’s have it, I would say.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            They found a lot of pre boxed yes votes in Catalonia, seems this is becoming the norm in politics now everywhere, they switch the boxes out. This type of fraud has been going on for decades.

          • Rodger

            It doesn’t/didn’t have any legal status which makes supressing it even worse. And in the Netherlands we have set up a system that is so rigid it can’t be changed on a whim or pretty much ever. It takes a revolution to change it really. That’s why we still have the same retarded form of government that the Brits set up.
            It came close once but we had an intelligent king then. He sent loads of jenever (gin) to the protesters and they forgot what they were going to do.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Still surprised there are still dead voters still casting ballots even at 150 yrs and dead for 80 of them.

      • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

        The referendum was neither free nor democratic who moves in troops and gives 20 voting cards to people. There was no monitoring by any international organizations all feared for their lives. You are right it was imposed by a dictatorship Barzani cares for only his pockets the other 2 parties of the coalition ended their support for it and have demanded the Dictator Barzani who has no mandate for 2 years to step aside and call a vote.

        Can you imagine running for office and then you are also the one counting and observing the voting in the Netherlands, you would half drowned in the canals for that nonsense.

        • Kawa Asinger

          Look here ignorant fucker, the constitution does not prohibit a referendum. It is perfectly legal, and the constitution says Iraq is a voluntary union; therefore, non of its components have to stay with it. The condition for the integrity of its borders is the upholding of the constitution, which Baghdad as repeatedly violated. Fuck boy, you should read more often, because your empty skull is not helping you!

          Here is a report on all the violations of the Iraqi Central Government against the constitution. Haider Al-Abadi can suck a dick, he doesn’t respect the constitution. He just wants to steal Kurdish lands, that are historically Kurdish bitch! 🖕

          http://cabinet.gov.krd/uploads/documents/2017/Constitutional_violations_Sept_24_2017.pdf

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            You sound like an ignorant Kurd do they teach you any of it’s true history or are they like the Jews and cover up their dark past. The fact is there are no Historical lands that are Kurdish in the area. Historically they are Assyrian and those are facts Mesopotamia was the land of the Assyrians there were no Kurds there 2000 years ago. This is where your story falls apart already.

            Am done with stupid pretend fake people like you genetics and history you can’t escape or rewrite nor make up.

            The court system even declared the referendum illegal as all lands Kurds reside on are disputed currently. KRG constitution is null and void , the Montevideo treaty is not applicable under the rules here, Westphalian treaty nulls it.

          • Kawa Asinger

            Kiss my fucking ass, the Assyrians stole the land from the Chaldean. YOU DUMB FUCK! you don’t know history cuckold. stop letting those sheikhs give you anal sessions, boy! 🖕 The name Kurds were there from a long time ago. 3000 BC bitch!

            Driver, G. (1923). The Name Kurd and its Philological Connexions. Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, 55(3), 393-403. doi:10.1017/S0035869X00067605

            HAHA! you should read more bitch boy!

            Encyclopedia of the Peoples of Africa and the Middle East!

            Here’s to YAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            Chaldeans are Assyrians as they were Greeks who assimilated with the local Babylonian people. You do know the Sumerians were in the far south of Mesopotamia and today’s descendants are Persians. Why do Kurds even try to steal other people’s history based on loose translations and believe themselves to be connected to them when DNA has discounted that as early as 2010. Why do you persist in this folly just like the Jews in Israel making false claims, historians and geneticists can tell even from ancient bones who are the descendants.

          • Kawa Asinger

            still no evidence? just emotions, HAHA! Chaldeans are Assyrians, last time I checked they don’t think so. 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

            I gave you sources and I can bring more, but you don’t have shit!
            🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

            Until this day, Assyrians call Kurds, Karda. Fucking bitch boy.

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            This theory was already proven to be untrue why do you use this as an example , just because some paper written by a student doesn’t make it true until it gets vetted and it has and today’s scholars dispute all of the findings in it.

          • Kawa Asinger

            Who proved it untrue big guy, give me the sources? Show me their reliability, show me their documents, who carried out the refutation and when was it published. Which organisation? I fucking bet your mama’s ass on it, that it is a bias turkgay making up lies, like the the BIG FAT FUCKING LIE that turkgays are indo-europeans!! HAAAAAHHAAA!! 🖕🖕

      • Kawa Asinger

        Because, freedom is an alien concept to the Islamo-fascists and neonazis on SouthFront. The Iraqi Constitution does not prohibit a referendum, and Baghdad has violated numerous articles of the constitution. This then makes it perfectly normal for the “Voluntary Union” (as stated in the preamble of the constitution) to have one of its voluntary regions to secede. But Haider Al-Abadi knows this, and that’s why he doesn’t want dialogue because he will be humiliated and proven wrong a 100 times over. So he is trying to intimidate Kurdistan, and force it to submit. This is an Islamo-fascist plan of the pedophile Ayatollahs in Iran. So fuck them and their ducking dogmas!

      • Solomon Krupacek

        ask madrid

    • Kawa Asinger

      Borders are already closed, and they’re dealing with it very well! 🖕🖕

      And the KRG can also respond with measures against Iraq, The KRG can hurt Iraq economically. It can hurt their telecommunications, concrete for infrastructure, food and many more things. But KRG is not a psychotic megalomaniac sons of bitches. But the Iraq is! 🖕🖕

      • Solomon Krupacek

        first 3 days no probem. later will begin.

    • Gavin Allen

      Grow up.

  • MD Ranix

    this zio lapdog is fed by stupid arrogance and will have to face the consequences of selling their souls to the devil – losers

    • Gavin Allen

      says the mighty keyboard warrior…

  • Drinas

    The Turds, sorry, I meant Kurds, seem eager to start another war in the Middle East, just when the last one seems to be nearing its end.
    All the suffering and the blood will be on their-and their zionist and US masters-hands.
    But they don’t seem to realize that it will be them, the Turds, who will suffer most..

  • Floyd Hazzard

    I don’t even know how Iraqis can tolerate American troops on their soil after this. They are the ones arming and directing The Kurds. How can they be arming militias outside of the central government? They are doing the same thing in Syria too.

    • Tudor Miron

      No one is asking them. Iraq has say 8-12% of its sovereignity left. It’s a occupied state.

      • Bob

        Yep – at point where US basically just announces they are building bases wherever they want in Iraq – they treat Iraq as their own de-facto outpost.

  • dutchnational

    KRG is completely right.

    Given the democratic and UN legal right, after the democratic referendum, of KRG to go for independence, of course KRG has to negotiate for a clean “divorce” with Iraq and with its neighbours so as to assure them the independent KRG will be a good neighbour, as long as they are good neighbours.

    Nobody can benefit from unrest, war.

    However, if the offer to negotiate, not on the what but on the when and how, is spurned and escalation by Baghdad and others takes place, KRG can only declare immediate independence.

    • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

      KRG is wrong as it’s lead by senile leader as Barzani who has lost the support of the other parties before the vote as even they were saying it was illegal and fraudulent. The reasons you listed is why the KRG is divided by Barzani and his party against the others should realize what actually goes on at higher levels of this govt and just not Dictator Barzani.

      Negotiation is too late when Barzani showed his Dictatorial arrogance , now Iraq will use leverage against the US in continuing to support Iraqi Govt which will give Barzani pause for thought.

      • Kawa Asinger

        KRG is right, Iraq is an artificial state imposed on the different groups of people by force by the colonial powers. So go get fucked bitch. 🖕

        • RichardD

          You’re an antisocial head case.

          • Kawa Asinger

            I am anti-social? Everyone here was calling for committing genocide against the Kurds. WHY? because allegedly they’re “Zionists”. And I am the bad guy. I am literally defending my case against almost everyone in the SouthFront comments, and I am the bad guys. Read the comments next time. They keep saying that Kurds deserve to get collectively punished and even deserve genocide because they FUCKING dared to voice their right to a democratic process in a referendum on their freedom/Independence. And I’m the bad guy. I am having tens of comments coming at through my mail. And I will reply to ALL of them. because they keep spewing neonazi and Islamo-fascist bullshit! All emotions and no logic. Imagine if the world said that the LPR, DPR and Crimea deserve genocide because they chose to split from Ukraine through a referendum. YEAH EXACTLY.

          • RichardD

            You’re defending the evil racist supremacist Jew pedophile rape cult that should be outlawed and is responsible for all of these wars and a lot of what’s wrong on this planet. Are you a Jew pedophile rape cult member?

          • Gavin Allen

            “evil racist supremacist Jew pedophile rape cult” Awww, LOL.

          • RichardD

            Is pedophile raping 1,000 babies a week like the Jews do something that you approve of and support?

          • RichardD

            Decades more of Jew wars in the middle east. Yes, you’re the bad guy:
            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiieRCpWkAEy4hG.jpg

        • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

          Let’s put it this way there was only the Christians offered a country and not the Kurds because they are at horzisi you are so wrong and such a typical Comar orospu cocugu.

          • Kawa Asinger

            Keep speaking in tongues bitch boy, because you got so badly refuted. And, stop speaking about your mum like that boy! does she know you use bad language? fucking turkgay cunt! megalomaniac genocidal bitch!

          • Terra Cotta Woolpuller

            I am getting tired of your Jahili poetry like Kurds of your generation all want to be poets.

          • Kawa Asinger

            Yup, you finally lost it. I knew you couldn’t handle logic, because Truth triumphs over falsehood, bitch!

      • Gavin Allen

        It’s a done deal. Cry as much as you want. Go on, we’ll wait.

  • hhabana

    They will be destroyed and here comes Europe’s next refugee wave. Their women are attractive and if I was an European politician I would only allow the single women over 18 to immigrate. ;)

    • dutchnational

      Shoot the guys and drown the children???????

      • hhabana

        Realistically, they will let some in if the guns go after the Kurds which is trending this way. What a mess.

    • Kawa Asinger

      You aren’t European. You are fascist dog bitch boy! It is Arab women selling ass all over the world, a known fact. 🖕🖕🖕🖕

      • hhabana

        You need lorazepam.

        • Kawa Asinger

          Bro, that Hashid lost 36 of its shitty militia men in Tuz Khurmatu to Peshmerga, and recently they tried to attack the YBS and lost three more, with others injured. So Bring it you pedophile, little rapist bitch boy! 🖕🖕

      • Helen4Yemen

        Flagged! Dear moderator: please pay attention to all the filth this person is getting away with.

        • Kawa Asinger

          The moderator should pay attention to the calls of genocide against the Kurdish people from all you Islamo-fascists and neonazis.

          Flag me motherfucker, because you have no arguments. 🖕

  • Rodger

    Lol, that will be the death of major US influence in the ME. Go for it Kurds!

  • Dod Grile

    Turdistan. Sounds like another war racketeer campaign from Murder Inc to continue its reign of terror in Iraq and Syria.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b5a8a3f33cce1b33164e129a2bc24480e04fc8b5153735bf5ad73168e50d2445.jpg

    Oh heil Barzani sock puppet!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0796159f3651a77e422542e72ad2ac7c7e3c71b6ed915b2189e295da2cde726.jpg

    Time to level Langley.

  • Helen4Yemen

    Kurds say they have no friends but the mountains. Now they have Israel, and that could cause them grief. https://www.washingtonpost.COM/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/25/kurds-say-they-have-no-friends-but-the-mountains-now-they-have-israel-and-that-could-cause-them-grief/?utm_term=.343b971e9bf2
    The occupier of Palestinian lands has become the only country to support Iraqi Kurdistan’s separatism. https://www.telesurtv.NET/english/news/Why-Does-Israel-Support-an-Independent-Iraqi-Kurdistan–20170923-0023.html
    Israeli minister: The West, US, Israel have ‘major interest’ in Kurdish state http://www.rudaw.NET/english/middleeast/11092017
    Kurdish independence will see Iraq disintegrate; it’s Israel’s dream scenario https://www.middleeastmonitor.COM/20170927-kurdish-independence-will-see-iraq-disintegrate-its-israels-dream-scenario/
    Amidst Universal Opposition to KRG Referendum, Israel Stands by Kurds https://steemit.COM/news/@sarahabed/amidst-universal-opposition-to-krg-referendum-israel-stands-by-kurds
    The Kurds are allied with Syria’s fiercest enemy – Israel – whose planned Greater Israel project coincidentally aligns almost perfectly with the Kurds’ plans for “Kurdistan.” http://www.voltairenet.ORG/article197439.html
    Partitioning the Middle East: A Roadmap to US-Israeli Hegemony https://www.sott.NET/article/349040-Partitioning-the-Middle-East-A-Roadmap-to-US-Israeli-Hegemony
    Iraq, Syria and the death of the modern Middle East http://www.aljazeera.COM/indepth/opinion/2013/05/2013567200437919.html?;
    Fidel Castro says Mossad behind Islamic State http://www.timesofisrael.COM/fidel-castro-says-mossad-behind-islamic-state/?fb_comment_id=670111849739344_741888525895009
    Top Iranian general says Kurdish referendum an Israeli ‘plot’ https://www.timesofisrael.COM/top-iranian-general-says-kurdish-referendum-an-israeli-plot/
    Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu is playing a cynical game on the Kurdish referendum http://www.washingtonexaminer.COM/israels-benjamin-netanyahu-is-playing-a-cynical-game-on-the-kurdish-referendum/article/2635550
    Shia leader claims Israel behind disintegration of Iraq by supporting Kurdish referendum http://www.kurdistan24.NET/en/news/63c963de-2c82-48ab-a8b3-0d793869e862
    Israel sees benefits in an independent Kurdistan https://www.timesofisrael.COM/israel-sees-benefits-in-an-independent-kurdistan/
    How Independent Kurdistan Will Allow Israel to Kill Two Birds With One Stone https://sputniknews.COM/analysis/201709221057624450-kurdistan-independence-israel-syria-iraq/
    Kurdistan News: Only Israel supports Kurdistan Referendum says Iraqi Prime Minister https://www.iraqinews.COM/baghdad-politics/iraqi-pm-israel-supports-kurdistan-referendum/
    Israel Endorses Kurdish Independence in Lone Show of Support https://www.bloomberg.COM/news/articles/2017-09-13/israel-endorses-kurdish-independence-in-lone-show-of-support
    200,000 Israelis Expected in “Kurdistan” Once Independence Is Declared https://www.globalresearch.CA/200000-israelis-expected-in-kurdistan-once-independence-is-declared/5610344
    An independent Kurdistan would give Israel an ally in the region and undermine Iranian influence in Iraq. https://www.thenational.AE/world/mena/israeli-prime-minister-backs-kurdish-independence-in-iraq-1.628057
    Israel’s recognition of Kurdish claims to independence is an act that perpetuates the denial of Palestinian rights. http://www.aljazeera.COM/indepth/opinion/2014/07/israel-iraqi-kurds-gambling-with–2014737321568960.html
    Kurdish independence will see Iraq disintegrate; it’s Israel’s dream scenario http://www.whatreallyhappened.COM/content/kurdish-independence-will-see-iraq-disintegrate-it%E2%80%99s-israel%E2%80%99s-dream-scenario#axzz4u6LzaD31

    • RichardD

      Exactly

    • Kawa Asinger

      So, if Kurds vote for independence, and because Israel came out in support; therefore, Kurds don’t deserve to be given their rights? what a great fucking logic you have there. Tell who created Iraq? And, for what reasons? Exactly, keep refuting yourselves. Nothing but anti-semitism and neonazism is what I see. Palestine has nothing to do with Kurdistan so your argument in meaningless.

      • Helen4Yemen

        Are you telling me you are illiterate? You can’t read any of the articles that I posted?

        And what was the reason Europeans handed over Palestine to other Europeans, the Ashkenazi?

        • Kawa Asinger

          Palestine? What Palestine prick! there was no Palestine, and there never was a Palestinian nation that was nothing but Arab, even according to their best Islamic sources. It is just a made up Arab fairy-tale. Gotta go, but I will reply to your bullshit soon. don’t worry I will go through all of your “sources” and “articles”. 🖕

          • Helen4Yemen

            Is the Ashkenazi European or Middle Eastern?

          • Kawa Asinger

            They originate from Jews that settled along the Rhine river. Your point?

          • RichardD

            That the Palestinians are by far the primary decedents of the original Hebrew tribes, not the Europeans or Jews from other areas. And that it’s their land and they reject the Jew cult.

          • Helen4Yemen

            These are quotes from Herzl’s Complete Diaries

            In Palestine’s disfavor is its proximity to Russia and
            Europe, its lack of room for expansion as well as its climate,
            which we are no longer accustomed to. (page 56)

            Lunched at the home of Sir Samuel Montagu, MP A house of
            English elegance, in grand style. Sir Samuel a splendid old chap,
            the best Jew I have met thus far. At table he presides over his
            family -The pious Christians of England would help us if we went
            to Palestine. For they expect the coming of the Messiah
            after the Jews have returned home. (page 282)

            Montagu thinks that one might offer the Sultan two million
            pounds for Palestine. (page 306)

            Then he spread out before me his chart of comparative history,
            and finally a map of Palestine. (page 311)

            The Grand Duke wondered if it would not be better first to send a
            few hundred thousand Jews to Palestine, and then raise
            the question. (page 338)

            In the compartment Hechler unfolded his maps of
            Palestine and instructed me for hours on end. The
            northern frontier ought to be the mountains facing Cappadocia;
            the southern, the Suez Canal. The slogan to be circulated: The
            Palestine of David and Solomon! (page 342)

            I told him in a few words what it was all about. We shall bestow
            enormous benefits upon Turkey and confer big gifts upon the
            intermediaries, if we obtain Palestine. This means
            nothing less than its cession as an independent country. In return
            we shall thoroughly straighten out Turkey’s finances. (page 344)

            My program, on the other hand, is to halt infiltration and to
            concentrate all energies on the acquisition of Palestine
            under international law. This requires diplomatic negotiations,
            which I have already begun, and a publicity campaign on the very
            largest scale. (page 355)

            I merely told him that we imagined we would give twenty million
            pounds in return for Palestine. (Page 365)

            We spend twenty million Turkish pounds to straighten out the

            For I had declared that we wished to acquire Palestine as
            a completely independent country, and if we could not get it as
            such, we would go to Argentina. (page 367)

            In the evening Newlinsky and I sat by ourselves in the dining car,
            and I outlined for him the financial plan based on the 20 million
            pounds – of which two millions would be earmarked as an
            immediate advance for the cession of Palestine, and 18
            milions for the freeing of the Turkish government from the
            Control Commission. (page 369)

            Newlinsky thinks we could not possibly dare to offer the Sultan
            20 million pounds for the land of Palestine. That was its
            mere commercial value, so to speak; but we would have to pay a
            premium. (page 369)

            The Grand Vizier listened imperturbably. He asked questions such
            as this: “Palestine is large. What part of it do you have in
            mind?” (page 375)

            He had the following idea It ought to be suggested to the Sultan
            that he take charge of the Zionist movement and proclaim to the
            Jews that he would throw Palestine open to them as a
            principality, under his suzerainty, with its own laws, army, etc In
            return, the Jews would have to pay a tribute of about a million
            pounds each year. This tribute could then be immediately
            mortgaged against a loan (which we would raise). (page 403)

            We took cordial leave of each other in Vienna. I promised
            Newlinski my friendship for life If it is through him that we obtain
            Palestine, we shall give him a fine estate in Galicia as an
            honorific recompense. (page 404)

            The Turkish authorities in Palestine are giving the recent
            arrivals among the colonists a hard time and have even destroyed
            the latest colony. (page 410)

            But everything hopeless if it proves true that Turkish authorities
            in Palestine are forcibly deporting newly arrived
            colonists.

            For the first years, 100,000 pounds tribute, and a loan of two
            millions on that Gradually, as the immigration proceeds the
            tribute increases together with new portions of the Jewish loan
            based on it, until the entire amount is paid up and there are so
            many Jews in Palestine, accompanied by Jewish military
            power, that one need no longer fear that the Turks will attempt
            to get a stranglehold on them. (page 412)

            The name of the committee should not be “Society of Jews’ –
            I proposed that they name this association “The Knights of
            Palestine” (page 422)

            He thinks it would be impossible to keep the influx of the masses
            into Palestine under control. The first to arrive would be
            150,000 shnorrers [beggars] who would have to be fed. He didn’t
            feel equal to it, but perhaps I would be. He could not undertake
            such a responsibility. (page 427)

          • Kawa Asinger

            Give some time I will read your quotes and check them up. Have to refute some other dick drool-er, for the moment. And stop calling on admin to flag me, because I don’t agree with your “programmed” perspective.

          • Helen4Yemen

            Chaim Weizmann (1914): There is a country which happens to be called Palestine , a country without a people, and, on the other hand, there exists the Jewish people, and it has no country. What else is necessary, then, than to fit the gem into the ring, to unite this people with this country? The owners of the country [the Ottoman Turks?] must, therefore, be persuaded
            and convinced that this marriage is advantageous, not only for the [Jewish] people and for the country, but also for themselves.”
            ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Kawa Asinger

            SO, to be middle eastern I have to be a fucking brown ugly fucking arab? What insane logic is this fucking bullshit! tomorrow your going to say, are Kurds Europeans or middle eastern. Kurds have people who look like that too, so do some Arabs so what fuck is your point?

          • Helen4Yemen

            And what was the reason Europeans handed over Palestine to other Europeans, the Ashkenazi?

          • Kawa Asinger

            And what was the reason when all the Arab world kicked out its Jews? There was a two state solution in 1948, but it was the Arabs who declared war one day after its birth and lost. And it was the British Mandate of Palestine. The word has no Arabic root, The word is referring to the Philistines whom were not Arabs. And the Land was known as Israel before it was conquered by the Babylonians then Romans. The Romans gave it the name Syria-Palestina fuck face!!!!! In that case, remove the Ashkenazi, but still you would have to give it back to the original jews of middle east that lived there.

          • Solomon Krupacek

            there was no kurdistan, rattie!

          • Kawa Asinger

            There was no turkey neither you fucking imbecile piece of fucking mongoloid shit! 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

            The Kurds lived in that region for thousands of years, doesn’t matter how hard you try you cannot deny history. Doesn’t matter what they were called thousands of years ago, the fact is they were there. And according the UN charter all peoples have the right to self-determination. Everything is on the side of the Kurds, and Every truthful person is on our side. Only bigoted neonazi and Islamo-fascists are deniers of history, and supporters of Islamo-fascist, genocidal, megalomaniac, pedophile freaks of nature! AGAIN, AND AAIN!!!!! …HERE …IS …TO …YAAAAAA!!!!

            🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

          • Solomon Krupacek

            there was osman empire

          • Kawa Asinger

            HAHA! “There was osman empire”. Firstly, learn how to write in English prick! Secondly, The Ottoman Empire (Empire: a major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or peoples under a single sovereign authority; especially :one having an emperor as chief of state – Merriam Webster), is an Empire meaning it isn’t a country, it ruled over different ethnic people by conquest. And yes there was the Ottoman Empire, So was there the Abbasid Empire, The Safavid Empire, and before them The Byzantine and Achaemenid Empires, and before them The Roman Empire, and etc. So your point, GENIUS?

          • RichardD

            Palestine goes back thousands of years. If you knew anything about the regions history, or stopped lying, you wouldn’t write such nonsense.

          • Helen4Yemen

            These are quotes from Herzl’s Complete Diaries

            ♦ In Palestine’s disfavor is its proximity to Russia and
            Europe, its lack of room for expansion as well as its climate,
            which we are no longer accustomed to. (page 56)

            ♦ Lunched at the home of Sir Samuel Montagu, MP A house of
            English elegance, in grand style. Sir Samuel a splendid old chap,
            the best Jew I have met thus far. At table he presides over his
            family -The pious Christians of England would help us if we went
            to Palestine. For they expect the coming of the Messiah
            after the Jews have returned home. (page 282)

            ♦ Montagu thinks that one might offer the Sultan two million
            pounds for Palestine. (page 306)

            ♦ Then he spread out before me his chart of comparative history,
            and finally a map of Palestine. (page 311)

            ♦ The Grand Duke wondered if it would not be better first to send a
            few hundred thousand Jews to Palestine, and then raise
            the question. (page 338)

            ♦ In the compartment Hechler unfolded his maps of
            Palestine and instructed me for hours on end. The
            northern frontier ought to be the mountains facing Cappadocia;
            the southern, the Suez Canal. The slogan to be circulated: The
            Palestine of David and Solomon! (page 342)

            ♦ I told him in a few words what it was all about. We shall bestow
            enormous benefits upon Turkey and confer big gifts upon the
            intermediaries, if we obtain Palestine. This means
            nothing less than its cession as an independent country. In return
            we shall thoroughly straighten out Turkey’s finances. (page 344)

            ♦ My program, on the other hand, is to halt infiltration and to
            concentrate all energies on the acquisition of Palestine
            under international law. This requires diplomatic negotiations,
            which I have already begun, and a publicity campaign on the very
            largest scale. (page 355)

            ♦ I merely told him that we imagined we would give twenty million
            pounds in return for Palestine. (Page 365)

            ♦ For I had declared that we wished to acquire Palestine as
            a completely independent country, and if we could not get it as
            such, we would go to Argentina. (page 367)

            ♦ In the evening Newlinsky and I sat by ourselves in the dining car,
            and I outlined for him the financial plan based on the 20 million
            pounds – of which two millions would be earmarked as an
            immediate advance for the cession of Palestine, and 18
            milions for the freeing of the Turkish government from the
            Control Commission. (page 369)

            ♦ Newlinsky thinks we could not possibly dare to offer the Sultan
            20 million pounds for the land of Palestine. That was its
            mere commercial value, so to speak; but we would have to pay a
            premium. (page 369)

            ♦ The Grand Vizier listened imperturbably. He asked questions such
            as this: “Palestine is large. What part of it do you have in
            mind?” (page 375)

            ♦ He had the following idea It ought to be suggested to the Sultan
            that he take charge of the Zionist movement and proclaim to the
            Jews that he would throw Palestine open to them as a
            principality, under his suzerainty, with its own laws, army, etc In
            return, the Jews would have to pay a tribute of about a million
            pounds each year. This tribute could then be immediately
            mortgaged against a loan (which we would raise). (page 403)

            ♦ We took cordial leave of each other in Vienna. I promised
            Newlinski my friendship for life If it is through him that we obtain
            Palestine, we shall give him a fine estate in Galicia as an
            honorific recompense. (page 404)

            ♦ The Turkish authorities in Palestine are giving the recent
            arrivals among the colonists a hard time and have even destroyed
            the latest colony. (page 410)

            ♦ But everything hopeless if it proves true that Turkish authorities
            in Palestine are forcibly deporting newly arrived
            colonists.

            ♦ For the first years, 100,000 pounds tribute, and a loan of two
            millions on that Gradually, as the immigration proceeds the
            tribute increases together with new portions of the Jewish loan
            based on it, until the entire amount is paid up and there are so
            many Jews in Palestine, accompanied by Jewish military
            power, that one need no longer fear that the Turks will attempt
            to get a stranglehold on them. (page 412)

            ♦ The name of the committee should not be “Society of Jews’ –
            I proposed that they name this association “The Knights of
            Palestine” (page 422)

            ♦ He thinks it would be impossible to keep the influx of the masses
            into Palestine under control. The first to arrive would be
            150,000 shnorrers [beggars] who would have to be fed. He didn’t
            feel equal to it, but perhaps I would be. He could not undertake
            such a responsibility. (page 427)

          • Helen4Yemen

            SHOO – BLOCKED!

        • Gavin Allen

          There is no “Palestine”. Maybe it’s time you stopped taking captagon.

      • Solomon Krupacek

        you will be on the same level in ME as IL. target supreme.

      • Helen4Yemen

        Kurdistan = 100% about Palestine

        The ODED YINON PLAN to break up the Arab countries. Document was written in 1982

        1- The Arab world is too fractured to pose a threat to the Jews in Palestine
        The Arab Moslem world, therefore, is not the major strategic problem which we shall face in the Eighties, despite the fact that it carries the main threat against Israel, due to its growing military might. This world, with its ethnic minorities, its factions and internal crises, which is astonishingly self-destructive, as we can see in Lebanon, in non-Arab Iran and now also in Syria, is unable to deal successfully with its fundamental problems and does not therefore constitute a real threat against the State of Israel in the long run, but only in the short run where its immediate military power has great import. In the long run, this world will be unable to exist within its present framework in the areas around us without having to go through genuine revolutionary changes.

        2- The Arab world is made up of ethnic groups hostile to one another
        The Moslem Arab World is built like a temporary house of cards put together by foreigners (France and Britain in the Nineteen Twenties), without the wishes and desires of the inhabitants having been taken into account. It was arbitrarily divided into 19 states, all made of combinations of minorities and ethnic groups which are hostile to one another, so that every Arab Moslem state nowadays faces ethnic social destruction from within, and in some a civil war is already raging.

        3- Algeria, Morocco,Tunisia are made up of Arabs and non-Arab Berbers
        Apart from Egypt, all the Maghreb states are made up of a mixture of Arabs and non-Arab Berbers. In Algeria there is already a civil war raging in the Kabile mountains between the two nations in the country. Morocco and Algeria are at war with each other over Spanish Sahara, in addition to the internal struggle in each of them. Militant Islam endangers the integrity of Tunisia and Qaddafi organizes wars which are destructive from the Arab point of view, from a country which is sparsely populated and which cannot become a powerful nation. That is why he has been attempting unifications in the past with states that are more genuine, like Egypt and Syria.

        4- Sudan is made up of four groups hostile to one another
        Sudan, the most torn apart state in the Arab Moslem world today is built upon four groups hostile to each other, an Arab Moslem Sunni minority which rules over a majority of non-Arab Africans, Pagans, and Christians.

        5- Egypt: Christian minority may want a state of their own
        In Egypt there is a Sunni Moslem majority facing a large minority of Christians which is dominant in upper Egypt: some 7 million of them, so that even Sadat, in his speech on May 8, expressed the fear that they will want a state of their own, something like a “second” Christian Lebanon in Egypt.

        6- Syria: Shia minority ruling over majority Sunni
        Syria is fundamentally no different from Lebanon except in the strong military regime which rules it. But the real civil war taking place nowadays between the Sunni majority and the Shi’ite Alawi ruling minority (a mere 12% of the population) testifies to the severity of the domestic trouble.

        7- Iraq: Sunni minority ruling over Shia majority – Kurdish minority will make it easy to break it up
        Iraq is, once again, no different in essence from its neighbors, although its majority is Shi’ite and the ruling minority Sunni. Sixty-five percent of the population has no say in politics, in which an elite of 20 percent holds the power. In addition there is a large Kurdish minority in the north, and if it weren’t for the strength of the ruling regime, the army and the oil revenues, Iraq’s future state would be no different than that of Lebanon in the past or of Syria today. The seeds of inner conflict and civil war are apparent today already, especially after the rise of Khomeini to power in Iran, a leader whom the Shi’ites in Iraq view as their natural leader.

        8- Bahrain, UAE, Oman: Sunni minority rules over Shia majority, Kuwait: 75% foreign, Saudi Arabia: 50% foreign
        All the Gulf principalities and Saudi Arabia are built upon a delicate house of sand in which there is only oil. In Kuwait, the Kuwaitis constitute only a quarter of the population. In Bahrain, the Shi’ites are the majority but are deprived of power. In the UAE, Shi’ites are once again the majority but the Sunnis are in power. The same is true of Oman and North Yemen. Even in the Marxist South Yemen there is a sizable Shi’ite minority. In Saudi Arabia half the population is foreign, Egyptian and Yemenite, but a Saudi minority holds power.

        9- Jordan: Palestinian majority ruled by Bedouin minority
        Jordan is in reality Palestinian, ruled by a Trans-Jordanian Bedouin minority, but most of the army and certainly the bureaucracy is now Palestinian. As a matter of fact Amman is as Palestinian as Nablus.

        10- Syrian army is Sunni, commander Shia; Iraqi army is Shia ruled by Sunni
        All of these countries have powerful armies, relatively speaking. But there is a problem there too. The Syrian army today is mostly Sunni with an Alawi officer corps, the Iraqi army Shi’ite with Sunni commanders. This has great significance in the long run, and that is why it will not be possible to retain the loyalty of the army for a long time except where it comes to the only common denominator: The hostility towards Israel, and today even that is insufficient.

        11- Iran is composed of Sunni, Shia Alawis, Sunni Kurds, it faces Ethnic and religious tension,
        Half of Iran’s population is comprised of a Persian speaking group and the other half of an ethnically Turkish group. Turkey’s population comprises a Turkish Sunni Moslem majority, some 50%, and two large minorities, 12 million Shi’ite Alawis and 6 million Sunni Kurds.

        12- Afghanistan: 33% Shia, 67% Sunni
        In Afghanistan there are 5 million Shi’ites who constitute one third of the population.

        13- Pakistan: 15 million Shia (1982 figures)
        In Sunni Pakistan there are 15 million Shi’ites who endanger the existence of that state.

        14- The Muslim world made up of ethnic minorities is like a house of cards
        This national ethnic minority picture extending from Morocco to India and from Somalia to Turkey points to the absence of stability and a rapid degeneration in the entire region. When this picture is added to the economic one, we see how the entire region is built like a house of cards, unable to withstand its severe problems.

        15- Jews should have given Jordan to Palestinians and removed them from Palestine
        We could have saved ourselves all the bitter and dangerous conflict since then if we had given Jordan to the Palestinians who live west of the Jordan river. By doing that we would have neutralized the Palestinian problem which we nowadays face, and to which we have found solutions that are really no solutions at all, such as territorial compromise or autonomy which amount, in fact, to the same thing. Today, we suddenly face immense opportunities for transforming the situation thoroughly and this we must do in the coming decade, otherwise we shall not survive as a state.

        16- Jews should never have lost the Sinai peninsula
        The loss of the Suez Canal oil fields, of the immense potential of the oil, gas and other natural resources in the Sinai peninsula which is geomorphologically identical to the rich oil-producing countries in the region, will result in an energy drain in the near future and will destroy our domestic economy: one quarter of our present GNP as well as one third of the budget is used for the purchase of oil. The search for raw materials in the Negev and on the coast will not, in the near future, serve to alter that state of affairs. (Regaining) the Sinai peninsula with its present and potential resources is therefore a political priority which is obstructed by the Camp David and the peace agreements. The fault for that lies of course with the present Israeli government and the governments which paved the road to the policy of territorial compromise, the Alignment governments since 1967.

        17- Hoping for Egypt to give Israel the excuse to start a war and take back Sinai.
        Israel has two major routes through which to realize this purpose, one direct and the other indirect. The direct option is the less realistic one because of the nature of the regime and government in Israel as well as the wisdom of Sadat who obtained our withdrawal from Sinai, which was, next to the war of 1973, his major achievement since he took power. Israel will not unilaterally break the treaty, neither today, nor in 1982, unless it is very hard pressed economically and politically and Egypt provides Israel with the excuse to take the Sinai back into our hands for the fourth time in our short history. What is left therefore, is the indirect option. The economic situation in Egypt, the nature of the regime and its pan-Arab policy, will bring about a situation after April 1982 in which Israel will be forced to act directly or indirectly in order to regain control over Sinai as a strategic, economic and energy reserve for the long run. Egypt does not constitute a military strategic problem due to its internal conflicts and it could be driven back to the post 1967 war situation in no more than one day.

        18- How to break up Egypt
        Breaking Egypt down territorially into distinct geographical regions is the political aim of Israel in the Nineteen Eighties on its Western front. Egypt is divided and torn apart into many foci of authority. If Egypt falls apart, countries like Libya, Sudan or even the more distant states will not continue to exist in their present form and will join the downfall and dissolution of Egypt. The vision of a Christian Coptic State in Upper Egypt alongside a number of weak states with very localized power and without a centralized government as to date, is the key to a historical development which was only set back by the peace agreement but which seems inevitable in the long run.

        19- Break up Lebanon into five provinces
        Lebanon’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track.

        20- How to break up Syria and Iraq into ethnic and religious components
        The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi’ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan. This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today.

        21- How to break up Iraq along ethnic/religious lines
        Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi’ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. It is possible that the present Iranian-Iraqi confrontation will deepen this polarization.

        22- How to break up Saudi Arabia
        The entire Arabian peninsula is a natural candidate for dissolution due to internal and external pressures, and the matter is inevitable especially in Saudi Arabia. Regardless of whether its economic might based on oil remains intact or whether it is diminished in the long run, the internal rifts and breakdowns are a clear and natural development in light of the present political structure.

        23- Transfer power in Jordan from the King to Palestinians
        Jordan constitutes an immediate strategic target in the short run but not in the long run, for it does not constitute a real threat in the long run after its dissolution, the termination of the lengthy rule of King Hussein and the transfer of power to the Palestinians in the short run. There is no chance that Jordan will continue to exist in its present structure for a long time, and Israel’s policy, both in war and in peace, ought to be directed at the liquidation of Jordan under the present regime and the transfer of power to the Palestinian majority.

        24- Change the regime in Jordan and expel Palestinians from Palestine to Jordan
        Changing the regime east of the river will also cause the termination of the problem of the territories densely populated with Arabs west of the Jordan. Whether in war or under conditions of peace, emigration from the territories and economic demographic freeze in them, are the guarantees for the coming change on both banks of the river, and we ought to be active in order to accelerate this process in the nearest future.

        25- Jews must remove all Palestinians and send them to Jordan
        The autonomy plan ought also to be rejected, as well as any compromise or division of the territories for, given the plans of the PLO and those of the Israeli Arabs themselves, the Shefa’amr plan of September 1980, it is not possible to go on living in this country in the present situation without separating the two nations, the Arabs to Jordan and the Jews to the areas west of the river.

        26- Palestinians must understand that Jews must rule over all Palestine-and they need to move to Jordan
        Genuine coexistence and peace will reign over the land only when the Arabs understand that without Jewish rule between the Jordan and the sea they will have neither existence nor security. A nation of their own and security will be theirs only in Jordan.

        27- Palestinians consider all of Palestine stolen irrespective of 1948 or 1967 and Jews consider all of Palestine theirs – even beyond Jordan River
        Within Israel the distinction between the areas of ’67 and the territories beyond them, those of ’48, has always been meaningless for Arabs and nowadays no longer has any significance for us. The problem should be seen in its entirety without any divisions as of ’67. It should be clear, under any future political situation or military constellation, that the solution of the problem of the indigenous Arabs will come only when they recognize the existence of Israel in secure borders up to the Jordan river and beyond it, as our existential need in this difficult epoch, the nuclear epoch which we shall soon enter.

        28- The West Bank must be populated with Jews or else Jews will be defeated like crusaders.
        Dispersal of the population is therefore a domestic strategic aim of the highest order; otherwise, we shall cease to exist within any borders. Judea, Samaria and the Galilee are our sole guarantee for national existence, and if we do not become the majority in the mountain areas, we shall not rule in the country and we shall be like the Crusaders, who lost this country which was not theirs anyhow, and in which they were foreigners to begin with. Rebalancing the country demographically, strategically and economically is the highest and most central aim today. Taking hold of the mountain watershed from Beersheba to the Upper Galilee is the national aim generated by the major strategic consideration which is settling the mountainous part of the country that is empty of Jews today.

        29- No force can remove the Jews from Palestine
        Our existence in this country itself is certain, and there is no force that could remove us from here either forcefully or by treachery (Sadat’s method). Despite the difficulties of the mistaken “peace” policy and the problem of the Israeli Arabs and those of the territories, we can effectively deal with these problems in the foreseeable future.

        • Kawa Asinger

          Ok, the yinon plan? Keep making up bullshit to oppress people and justify your fascist attitude against people. According to what you have written the Arab Muslim world is unsustainable due to the forced marriage of warring and different ethnic groups. But yet, you demand the maintenance of the status quo, even though it beyond FUCKING obvious that it cannot be maintained no matter what. That is because the colonial Russians, British and French Empires divided the middle east into zones of influence, and where their interest lies. But you agree with them and keep adding fuel to the fire; rather, then negotiating with the Kurds and making them an ally, you alienate them even more and give them no choice but to seek help from outsiders.

          By the way share the documents, I want to see if ti credible or another fairy-tale fabricated document written by Islamo-fascists.

          Also, the Muslim invaded the lands of these people. The Arabs did not have a presence in these lands before. So, why don’t also read up of the Islamic religious texts that state that Islam will become a super power and rule the world.

        • Gavin Allen

          Nothing is “about Palestine”. Nobody cares about some terrorist minority from Jordan. The Kurds are 10 times that number of people, and unlike the Palestinians, they don’t bring up their kids to be racist, extremist suicide bombers. Nobody cares about your agenda. It’s not about you.

      • hhabana

        Kurdistan is just a fantasy in your pathetic sick mind, Assinger.

        • Kawa Asinger

          Kurdistan is going to be the dagger in your heart BITCH! 🖕🖕🖕🖕

        • Gavin Allen

          45 million Kurds would disagree with you there, as would tens of millions who support them. I myself have been to Kurdistan many times, and can assure you that it is not a “fantasy” how ever desperately you wish it so. Loser.

    • Gavin Allen

      All good. One step closer to wiping out political islam and the trash that support it.

      • Helen4Yemen

        SHOO! BLOCKED!

  • RichardD

    The Kurdish secession efforts are just one more part of the Jew world order regime change divide and conquer project. To prevent regional governments and states from strengthening in their opposition to Jew machinations.

    • Kawa Asinger

      Your anti-semitism is obscuring your perspective on reality. 🖕

      • RichardD

        Raping Jew cult children, infecting them with venereal disease, brain damaging and killing them like Jew prostitutes do is antisemitic. I’m trying to help free humanity from this curse.

        • Kawa Asinger

          You bring one picture, and then claim that we should commit a second holocaust. Fucking neonazis motherfucker! 🖕 Muhammad was a lying war-mongering pedophile, who married a six year old and raped her at the age of nine. This is the man the whole Muslim world see as the ideal human being. Should we then commit a genocide on 1.6 billion Muslims? Didn’t think so, failed logic again you neonazi bitch!!! 🖕🖕 go read a book, your brain lacks grey matter. 🖕🖕

          • RichardD

            Maybe you should learn English. Eradicate by outlawing an evil cult and extinguishing it’s crime state isn’t committing a second holocaust by extermination. Grow up moron.

            The Muslims don’t statutory pedophile rape 1,000 Jew cult children a week and have 100+ UN and other international law resolutions against them. The Jews do. Muslims outlawed pedophilia. Jews practice it every day. The evil cult that you’re defending needs to be outlawed.

          • Kawa Asinger

            HAHA! The muslims outlawed pedophilia! Then that means Muhammad was wrong and he wasn’t a messenger of God; rather, he was a delusional madman, pedophile who didn’t know chit about civility, law, ethics and etc. Thanks for proving my point, dude. That means if Muhammad was alive he would be imprisoned by his own followers; as a consequence, the Muslims have said he is not the ideal man and their religion is man made, and false.

          • RichardD

            It means that they raised the age of consent like everybody else and that you’re the fascist blaming them for crimes, that unlike the Jews, that they’re not guilty of.

          • Kawa Asinger

            No your argument fails, because you are saying that Muhammad was just an average Joe. But, according to Muslims, he wasn’t. He was the messenger of God, he should’ve known it was wrong. God should’ve informed him on this matter, just he was informed on opposing the female infanticide and other things that Arabs practiced. Since, Muslims make such whack claims that the Qur’an has the answer to all things, especially morality and dignity, and Muhammad was it’s teacher through God; therefore, the argument goes since the Qur’an had the answer then why didn’t Muhammad know that the marriage was wrong. It only follows that God would’ve known, and would’ve informed Muhammad about such an act of aggression against children. Unless, he was just an ordinary man, then it would make sense and nullify the whole claim of the Islamic religion being from God. And if you claim he is from God, and God did know but did not inform Muhammad the that makes his God a hypocrite. And if he did know through “divine” knowledge, but decided to ignore it, then that makes Muhammad a hypocrite and vile “Prophet”. So your argument about age of consent can only apply to the NORMAL historical perspective that Muhammad was just an ordinary man. Whilst, the religious argument falls apart and completely disproving their religion. As, either you go against the purity and perfection of God, or the claim of Prophet-hood of Muhammad; either way, Islam fails to prove its point.

          • RichardD

            I’m not going to argue Islamic theology with you. The issue is the Jew problem today. Not Mohammed’s divinity or lack there of 1,300 years ago.

          • RichardD
          • Kawa Asinger

            No, you should learn English so you know how to put a sentence together. That way I can reply appropriately. If you mean, to outlaw a cult that is practicing harmful acts that cause damage to children, and infants then yes I am for it; otherwise, if you mean a cult within Judaism is doing this; therefore, all Jews are like this; as a consequence, we should wipe them out, then I am totally against you. so make it clear which one yo mean, the former or latter.

          • RichardD

            That’s a dodge. There’s nothing wrong with my grammar. What is it about:

            “CHIEF RABBINATE OPPOSES LEGISLATION TO REGULATE CIRCUMCISION”

            http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Chief-Rabbinate-opposes-legislation-to-regulate-circumcision-496647

            That you don’t understand?

          • Helen4Yemen

            Age of consent

            State …. 1880 …. 1920 …. 2007
            Delaware …. 7 …. 16 ………… 16
            Alabama …. 10 …. 16 ………… 16
            Arkansas …. 10 …. 16 ………… 16
            California …. 10 …. 18 ………… 18
            Colorado …. 10 …. 18 ………… 15

          • Solomon Krupacek

            source?

          • Helen4Yemen
          • Solomon Krupacek

            thanks

          • Kawa Asinger

            HAHA! That doesn’t make it right shit head! If someone commits a crime, doesn’t make it right for another to commit a crime. MANNNNN! When I was a Muslim I used to use the same stupid illogical arguments!

            What’s wrong is WRONG!!!!

          • RichardD

            In New York City alone:

            “metzitzah b’peh — requires a mohel, the person performing the circumcision, to suck blood from the incision on an infant’s penis.

            It has long been linked to neonatal herpes and has consistently raised red flags in the medical community. …

            According to the Health Department, 24 cases of herpes have been linked to circumcision since 2000. Two of the infants died and two others suffered brain damage.”

            http://nypost.com/2017/03/08/new-case-of-neonatal-herpes-caused-by-jewish-circumcision/

            In Israel:

            “CHIEF RABBINATE OPPOSES LEGISLATION TO REGULATE CIRCUMCISION”

            http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Chief-Rabbinate-opposes-legislation-to-regulate-circumcision-496647

    • Gavin Allen

      Jew this, Jew that. Grow up, racist twat.

      • RichardD

        Are you a Jew pedophile rape cult member, or just a Jew pedophile rape cult supporter?

  • Helen4Yemen