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Information Struggle Around Events In Bucha

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Information Struggle Around Events In Bucha

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In recent days, a great number of photos and videos have appeared concerning the mass murders in the city of Bucha. At the moment, there is an information war going on between Russia and Ukraine, where each side accuses the other of staging fake photos and videos. The terrible events in Bucha are only part of this huge information war.

At the moment, there are disputes about who carried out the massacre in Bucha, and did it take place. The positions of Russia and Ukraine differ greatly on this issue. In addition to the direct actors, third parties who adhere to Kiev’s official version are also commenting on the Bucha events.

Ukrainian version

Ukraine claims that the terrible footage published by the Ukrainian side on April 3 is a clear evidence to accuse the Russian military of torture and extrajudicial executions.

It is also necessary to cite several comments by Ukrainian President Volodymir Zelensky.

  • Zelensky, speaking of Bucha, warned that “after the expulsion of the enemy from other territories, even harsher details may emerge.”
  • “The longer Russia drags out the negotiation process, the worse it will be for them,” said the president of Ukraine on the same day.
  • Zelensky stated that “in Borodyanka and other towns” the number of Russian army casualties “may be even higher than in Bucha”. That means that the Russian military, according to Zelensky, left behind mountains of corpses all over Ukraine.

Kiev is yet to announce an examination of the bodies of those killed in Bucha.

 

Russian version

The events in Bucha indicate the “mopping up” of Bucha by AFU troops before the Russian army arrived.

The National Police of Ukraine also “cleaned up” Bucha the day before the video of the dead on the streets appeared. The Russian side refers to the reports of the National Police of Ukraine on the official site, the special forces “began to clean up the city of Bucha” on April 2. After the completion of the “operation,” the agency published its video. The “cleansing” meant killing residents who collaborated with the Russian military, as well as saboteurs, who had been wanted in Ukraine since the first day of the special operation.

 

Moscow blames Kiev of multiple fakes. For example, the Russian side doubts the veracity of the photo from Bucha with bodies lying on the streets.

According to Russian representatives, “This episode is another vivid example of information warfare, when another fake story is presented to the global community.”

The Russian Defense Ministry said that Kiev’s information about the mass murders in the Ukrainian town of Bucha did not correspond to reality and that the footage was staged.

Because of this, Russia requested a UN Security Council meeting on Monday in connection with the provocation of Ukrainian radicals in Bucha.

– There are guys without blue armbands, can I shoot at them?
– Sure, f**k!

Third Parties.

The covers of Western newspapers are replete with headlines such as “Nightmare in Bucha,” “Genocide,” and “Mass Murder of Innocents”. The essence of the publications boils down to one thesis: “Russia must answer for the shooting of civilians in the suburbs of Kiev.”

Biden said that Putin should be prosecuted for “war crimes” in Ukraine. The Russian ambassador to the United States, Anatoliy Antonov, stated that the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces had shelled the city of Bucha had been hushed up.

 

The Russian Foreign Ministry reported that Britain had not agreed to a UN Security Council meeting on Bucha. But the British Defense Ministry is going to “find new shootings” in territories previously abandoned by Russian troops, similar to Bucha. In particular, Jack Watling, an expert at the British defense and security think tank, said in an interview with the BBC that mass killings similar to those that occurred in Bucha near Kyiv could be found in other regions of Ukraine.

In the end, the true picture of events is quite difficult to reconstruct, because one side or the other is passing off its version as the truth. Civilians may also be divided into several camps, which at the moment provide them with protection.

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john

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html

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Ashok Varma

Western media is telling shameless lies. Indian students have first hand experience in Ukrainian racist Nazi brutalities. The Ukrainians Nazis are responsible for 99% of all atrocities and war crimes. The BBC and Zionist media is spreading total poison against Russia, but no one in the rest of the world is buying it. Zelensky is a pervert, liar and a coward. JAI RUS!

name

Dude. How many days do you think before the NYT have to quietly withdraw those claims? Just wait a while…

praxis

the corporate press is hardly in the business of correcting the record any more. So probably never.

Cindy Haydon

As the US and Europe weep crocodile tears for Ukraine, what their extensive mostly fabricated reports and images fail to show are the corpses of the forgotten Iraqis, Afghans and other people in the region torn to shreds by NATO war criminals the West’s war machine.

Hypocritical condemnations are mounting against Russia’s legitimate military operation in Ukraine, contrary to the global impunity that the US and the Europeans were met with mass war crimes and genocide in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

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Cindy Haydon

As the criminal US and Europe weep crocodile tears for Ukraine, what their extensive mostly fabricated reports and images fail to show are the corpses of the forgotten Iraqis, Afghans and other people in the region torn to shreds by NATO war criminals the West’s war machine.

Hypocritical condemnations are mounting against Russia’s legitimate military operation in Ukraine, contrary to the global impunity that the US and the Europeans were met with mass war crimes and genocide in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Lazy Gamer

And Assange and Snowden have paid a price for it. Where does Biden get the chutzpah to demand war crime investigations? lol If it is done by the US and their allies, there is no outrage from leaders, media, or social platforms, instead, the story will be buried.

This is what Zelensky provoked and what Putin will be branded forever. There will be no business as usual after this for Russia. This has been a political and economic loss for Russia while its military is stalled in east Ukraine.

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andre

It seems to be a fake NYT interpretation of the date the image was taken:

“According to the data, no satellite of the company took pictures over Bucha on March 19 — only on February 28 and March 18 (GE01), 21 (WV02) and 31 (WV03).”

https://telegra.ph/Stoit-li-doveryat-sputnikovym-video-ot-Maxor-04-05

Life_Support1

The link expired. Provide a new link please. Desperately need a debunk proof for satellite image claims

Maju

Pay per view: bourgeois scam. :(

I could not see the images but I can tell you that Photoshop makes “miracles”.

Nobody has claimed that the massacre happened weeks before the Russian withdrawal. The Ukrainian version is that Russian troops murdered civilians as they retreated, i.e. just days ago.

Post-truth deep-fake is not truth nor reality.

Richard Graham

We are supposed to believe that these corpses were there in ‘mid-March’. So why weren’t they rotting?

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marie

The blood was fresh and the bodies were not stiff, ie they had been killed recently.

Yuri

nazi should not consume LSD

Cardiff

NY times is full of liars and pedophiles. Only the brainwashed comunist zombies would consider it as a source for information. Stop spamming that here

someone

Why are they wearing white armbands, a sign of being pro-russian?

marie

yes

Andrew

There are corpses, but where are the Russian troops?

Andrew

There are corpses, but where are the Russian troops? If they were, they would definitely be shown.

WillieBrennan

The Jew York Times…lol

You can sure trust their top notch “journalism”.

Any American who reads that Jew rag, along with The Washington Post, or watches any of the major network “news”, is a hopelessly indoctrinated sheep.

john

Link for those how want to know the truth

Katsaps ran away

Just Russian doing Russian things…

name

Are you sure?

Miki Miric

Popisam se na tvoj link

Ukrainian shithole

Bucha are fake asf. Look at kherson and donbass region russian control area people can even protest and do what they want and russian didn’t shoot them and still provided them foods

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john

they did well shoot at them in several occasions dont tell lies

BanderiteLivesDon'tMatter

Morality from an american is like anti pedophile advice from Epstein. How many afghans did you shoot at the airport when your green marines paniced? LOLOLOLOL

Ashok Varma

Indian media has already exposed western lies. 99% of all atrocities are committed by Ukrainian Nazi racists.

name

Links to Indian media please…?

Cindy Haydon

You should Press TV and their exposure of western lies and double standards.

name

Sure, but they’re Persian not Indian. Indian links please?

Hatuxka

You have enough information to go look on your own.

name

Sure, but they’re Iranian not Indian. Indian links please?

Attila

Maggots do everyone a favour and go and jump 📴🪱

john

Putin has done nothing for his country, and now his soldiers are busy being murderers, rapists, thieves and robbers all over Ukraine!

We live in 2022 and there are pictures and documentation of everything (Also how his soldiers are sending home at a post office in Belarus things they stole in Ukraine!), even though your dictatorship in Russia does not allow its inhabitants to see it!

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name

Your evidence is pretty thin on the ground. Meanwhile, the citizens of Mariupol are all liers, I suppose?

Cindy Haydon

US and NATO war criminals killed 2 million Afghans and Arabs, what you trolls call that?

Miki Miric

John nabijem ti sestru i majku na nas slovenski kurac ok

Ashok Varma

The racist Russophobic criminal west is losing the propaganda war so resorting to the most horrendous lies ad sheer fabrications to cover up Ukrainian crimes.

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Katsaps ran away

There is no propaganda war, there is propaganda special operation

mikael

Yup, the shoah must go on.

The thing is, weather the dead ones where locals, or POWs, executed and then placed as dummies, since it was obvious that the victims where simply to clean, etc, the inconsistencys are stacked against this video, evidence as they claim it is.

I guess its simply to obvious, so they now turned their focus on a mass grave, witch contained locals, etc, but this one can be from the shelling of the Orcs, witch is must lightly, and one thing most people forget, to be honest, a body is a body, it decomposes rapidly, and in all wars incl great quakes, mass graves are a way of getting bodys of the streets, homes, etc, as fast as you can, and usually this also correlates with the lack of people, you normaly dont conduct ordinary funerals in war time, ask the Yemenits, etc to Palestinians, where funerals to weddings are regulary double tapped, yeah, the Yankike/IDF (the most moral army in the world, yeah) way.

To then use this as a prof of anything is to streatch it to far, shelling is a highly dangerous enviroment to be civilian in, and much wurse in a war time. This types of hyped mass graves have been their card among others like Gass Attack, to create an fundation thru idiot propaganda to make the west go into emotional hyper ventilating and the hate goes into fistel, and everybody wants to go to a war against Russia. And the little creep Eelenskyy (since Z is banned, goodby Zoro) is of course kicked this into warp drive, and the western MSM is echoing this for what its wurth.

And finaly, as I read somewhere, have anyone of you, ever seen the result of ZATO bombings, have you, when they flattened Iraqi citys, Libyan citys, Syrian Citys to vilages everywhere, have anyone of you seen this on prime TV, I bet you havent, look at the Highway of Death, the result of trusting AmeriCunts, a passage given to everybody to evacuate, and when that happened, they created an kill box and slaughtered everything in it, children, etc, no mercy from the Empire of Lies. And this scums of the earth have the bloody nerves to drool something about atrocitys.

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tornan

I don’t understand how they don’t have drone or sattelite coverage about what happened there.

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Katsaps ran away

They who?

BanderiteLivesDon'tMatter

oh the satellite was being repaired that day so the officer had it turned off. maybe all those CCTV cameras caught something. nope, they were all turned off due to repairs, cell phone footage? nope cell phone batteries all were dead and charging in the whole town that day. what about eye witnesses? nope all the residents were in the basement avoiding the ukrainian artillery. um we mean the russians firing on their own retreat….but trust us, the russians murdered them, painted them with four day invisible paint and on fifth day voila they re appeared. real question? Why not have relatives come forward with a list of names of the missing, and why not ukraine has published photos for dear ukraine family to claim victims? LOL

Bread

There was a satellite operational. It showed bodies that don’t add up with the Russian version of the timeline https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/04/world/europe/bucha-ukraine-bodies.html

areloi

Russia should not be concerned with “special operations”. This is “war”. You can fool the Russians, but you cannot fool the world. term “special operations” means nothing. Whether the information is true or false, these things happen in war.

If we are concerned about “special operations,” then personnel should be increased. 200,000 is too few. It makes no sense for Russia to pretend to be clever, since the quality of its personnel is low and the quality of its weapons is low. Humanitarian aid should continue, but for Ukrainians the Russian military is nothing more than an aggressor.

Mariupol is in tatters after all, having been plunged into urban warfare. But like the reborn Grozny, it can be rebuilt. This time, we must not only invade the Donbass, but Kiev as well! Forward again, Russia!

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name

It just means that they haven’t officially *declared* war, with all its legal implications (as well as emphasizing that they do not want to war against their Ukrainian brethren, only NATO proxies). But, yes, to all intents and purposes they have intervened in an existing war on their immediate border.

Michigan Man

Why are you know-nothing people always throwing around these stupid “humanitarian aid” bullshit lies ?

Russia should not have invaded that foreign country ! That’s the point. No “humanitarian aid” needed before you assholes started invading and bombing Ukraine. And then your stupid claims that Putin is fighting “against Nazis”. What is that whole “Nazi,Nazi” wording shit ? Look at Putin, look at Russia ! Who is indeed aligned to true Neo-Nazis nah ?

Dmitry Utkin – Russian Neo-Nazi, founder of Wagner Group and best friend of Putin – see pictures of them. https://informnapalm.org/at/neonazi-ideologie/ https://t.me/Der_Volkslehrer/3736

Look at Dmitry Utkin – founder of the russian Wagner group (equivalent of US Blackwater). Utkin is best friend of Putin and an admitting full-blown Neo-Nazi !

He has even explicit Nazi (including Waffen-SS) insignias tatooed all over his body ! https://cdn.shortpixel.ai/client/q_glossy,ret_img,w_642,h_386/https://informnapalm.org/sv/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2021/03/Dmitrij-Utkin-med-Waffen-SS-symboler.jpg

So come on, all you Putinist dick-suckers ! Please explain it ! Or SF moderators, come on, please, explain it, if you can !

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Clyde

Wagner does not even exist. The name is a media invention. This is openly acknowledged in the Anglosphere. “The first thing to understand about the Wagner Group is that there most likely is no Wagner Group. As far as researchers can tell, there is no single registered business called Wagner.” A very different proposition from Erik Prince’s US government cat’s paw.

Russia is a paper tiger

Your employer disagrees tass.com/world/1375523

Benito_Camela

And your employer’s stenographer disagrees with you. Or is Foreign Policy a Kremlin asset lol?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/06/what-is-wagner-group-russia-mercenaries-military-contractor/

comment

You mean the phantom “Wagner Group” that no one can prove exists. A great meme for the “unfriendlies” to play with, like QAnon.

BanderiteLivesDon'tMatter

Sure, you are delusional. those tattoo’s are not even close to the insignia you have posted. that explains it for me. f to inverted f is not double lightning bolts of shultz staffen gaylords. Nice example of pareidolia though!

Yuri

main information struggle for Sawyer is w lgbt in trailer park arguing about quality of crack pipe vs corn-cob pipe “since the masses are eager to believe in something nothing is so easy as to arrange facts for they benefit”. Charles Talleyrand

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El sion

Original video ..

No Bodies! Touring Bucha With the Ukrainian Police, After Russians Left, Before the Massacre (vital/damning)..

Thank you people for this video

Here is the original adress with ‘bucha’ in latin letters & the date 02.04. in arabic digits

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El sion

https://www.npu.gov.ua/news/stoprussia/speczpriznachenczi-naczpolicziji-rozpochali-zachistku-mista-bucha/?__cf_chl_tk=NDko2m.t_hqddL1uKKPpuS4sbR2qBewKWmTh2ACZzog-1649126995-0-gaNycGzNCP0

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No bodies

BanderiteLivesDon'tMatter

I especially liked the part where the woman from mariupol, dead already a week from ukrop torture, has swastika carved into her stomach by azov gaylords, is found to have come to life, walked to bucha and then was brutally murdered by “russians” and has another swastika carved into her stomach on top of the previous one and manages to die twice. I was convinced the second the mayor posted pictures I saw the week before, why would he lie, right? same mayor who is blind to 300 smelly bodies on street for 4 days. its almost a Festivus Miracle!

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Miki Miric

Možete samo da popusite kurac Rusima,a Ukrajinci će najviše da ga popuše

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thoughtful

May the lie promoters CHOKE to death. And why are people so ready to gobble up LIES and deceptions? It is worse than eating sheet.

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Hostage (Raptar) Driver

The decrepit mentally ill western peoples. Mass death is their only salvation. They don’t understand truth from lies, up and down, horizontal, vertical. They have devolved to the level of an animal and like animals they should be culled. The funny thing is they’re doing it to themselves. Nature takes Its course.

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Clyde

This is a pretty good examination of the Ukrainian propaganda program. It is, of course, British. https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-30th-march-2022

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Mark

Zelensky forces butchered thousands of civilians in all cities including Bucha Kiev region that celebrated the Russian invasion.

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Socratis Giannis

Some desperate fact mangling going on on this bizarre site.

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comment

Your contribution being a fine example of such.

JaguarPaw

I don’t know how serious people can talk such nonsens. For starters, you have to be objective, how we can say that someone is war criminal or that there was committed war crime if nobody even conducted the evidentiary proceedings. We have western lawyers who talk like that. For years we watched how Saddam Hussein is animal, Muammar al-Gaddafi pedophile, Bashar Al-Assad is monster who kill his own people and so on, and people who wasn’t there, talk like they saw it with their own eyes. When you lie so much for so long, I thought that world will lose trust in those people and organizations, but I was wrong, they still believe them. Half the world send weapons in Ukraine because they love their country and Ukraine’s people, that destruction and death are because of western interests in this moment, like many other countries so many times before, but I don’t know how Ukraine people didn’t recognize that, only dust will be left when all this end. I never forget scene, when Syrian army take over ISIS hideout and there was medical supplies from Germany, trucks from USA plumbers, rockets from france, guns romania and bulgaria and so on. This kind of operations came to Europe and nobody gives a damn. Prices of everyday items go up on daily bases and EU keep their support on every level towards Ukraine. It is okey to help but that will just extend duration of this harm. For 50 years same establishment lying to people around the world, and still those same people believe them. Don’t know how and why.

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laterthanyouthink

Yet another tale of incubator babies. Some things never change.

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Richard Graham

H. L. Mencken (1880 – 1956): “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

We are supposed to believe that these bodies were laying there since ‘mid-March’ according to ‘satellite photos’. Why weren’t they rotting? Why did corpses get up and walk away as can be sen in the famous rear view mirror image? Why did Ukraine police admit to ‘cleaning up Bucha’ in typical NAZI SS fashion?

The NY Times as a source is completely worthless because they have never been anything other than establishment mouthpieces. They are well known for planting CIA disinformation. Judith Miller’s ‘reporting’ is the most famous. Then there is the ‘Venezuelan coup success’ reports authoritatively refuted by Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot.

Isaac Asimov (1920 – 1992): “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that your ignorance is just as good as my knowledge.”

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I&me&myself

This is typical western cockroaches tactic of Accusing others of war crimes when they are losing. Russia — Do not let them get you into these stupid mind games to put you on the defensive. The US government perpetrated the genocide of more than 200 millions native Americans and stole their lands, and recently murdered more than 2 millions Iraqis and Afghans

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FreeToThink

https://www.scribblemaps.com/maps/view/The-War-in-Ukraine/091194 Who is losing?

I&me&myself

This is as believable as NASA that wanted us to believe that they went to the moon. AHAHA…..

FreeToThink

Satellite images from multiple sources. Video from drone as murders happened. Hundreds of eyewitnesses. Hundreds of photos and many videos. Hundreds of asassinated bodies. Clear case.

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WillieBrennan

Dirty Globalist Jew filth control the US. They staff the US “government” with bought/compromised goyim whores who will do their bidding to the complete detriment of the American people. Pretty much exactly the same thing in Western Europe.

Joe Biden is a total fucking retard, as well as an evil fucking pedo pervert. This sick fuck took showers with his seventeen year old daughter, Ashley. He’s constantly groping and feeling up children in the White House. He desperately needs a bullet in his ugly senile skull.

His crackhead son, Hunter is even more mentally ill and perverted than his old man…lol

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quibes

Its to sick for words, but I think the Russians must beat this type of people that little smuk president is an sly creature, like his etnic sly créatuurs, the Russians dont like to kill their own brothers and sisters thats the difficulty, I think they have not thouth an that, their enemy’s is the USA the NATO the UK, we are going to WWIII, and than can Russia take them on !

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I&me&myself

Give them time they will stage a chemical attack in Ukraine, same as they did in Syria when their terrorists was getting decimated.

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