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Frank Answers To Our Readers’ Questions On Moskva Cruiser Case

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Frank Answers To Our Readers' Questions On Moskva Cruiser Case

In recent days we have received dozens of questions about the situation around the Moskva cruiser to our email, with even more questions have been asked in the comments. We are not the Russian MoD, but having summarised all the available information we can give our opinion on the case.

 – Is the cruiser’s captain dead?

No, the cruiser’s captain is alive and took part in the general formation of the cruiser’s crew in Sevastopol yesterday. Reports about cruiser’s captain death are a fake, spread by Ukrainian resources.

Frank Answers To Our Readers' Questions On Moskva Cruiser Case

 – Is it true that some seamen of the cruiser Moscow were rescued by a Turkish merchant ship?

Probably, no, this information does not correspond to available facts.

 – Were there any casualties on the cruiser?

Probably, yes. The possible number of casualties is estimated from 3 to 24 people from the ship’s fire-fighting and survivability departments. The cruiser had a total crew strength of 510.

 – Was the cruiser hit by Ukrainian anti-ship missiles or did it sink as a result of a fire caused on board due to negligence or systems malfunction?

This question does not have an obvious answer. It is likely that a missile strike took place. But 1-2 Ukrainian anti-ship missiles are definitely not the direct cause of the sinking of the ship. Firstly, a ship of this class can be sunk if an ISCM hits the key components of the ship at the waterline level or hits the main missile warhead, which is obviously not stored “on the deck”. In this case, a significant part of the ship’s crew would be killed.

On 16 April 2022, the Russian MOD released a photo and video of the crew formation in Sevastopol, showing the crew of the cruiser, including the captain, in formation. Also, in the Russian social networks, the Ukrainian side and NATO propagandists could not find any meaningful information about the death of the cruiser’s crew, except for a couple of unconfirmed facts. It should be clearly understood that we live in the information age and almost everyone has dozens of relatives and friends who have accounts in social networks and are worried about their loved ones. For example, the Ukrainian segment of social networks is now full of information about dead or surrounded AFU soldiers in Mariupol (thousands of messages), whose numbers are estimated at up to 2,500, which is only 4-5 times the number of the cruiser’s crew. Consequently, the crew of the cruiser Moscow probably suffered little or no damage.
The question therefore arises as to what really caused the sinking of the cruiser. It seems that there are only two possible answers to this question. It is either the inability of the cruiser’s fire-fighting equipment to cope with the fires caused by the missiles within hours. Or the attack of a NATO submarine, coordinated with the missile strike of Ukrainian ISCMs. The first scenario seems the most likely.

 – Were NATO forces involved in the attack on the Russian cruiser?

If we take as a matter of fact the attack on the cruiser by Ukrainian ISCMs, then definitely yes. The reconnaissance and targeting of the missiles could not have been carried out by the available means of the AFU. Clearly, the entire operation was coordinated and controlled by the US headquarters.

Separately, the restrained reaction of Ukraine’s top leadership should be noted.

– For what reason were the cruiser’s air defences unable to repel a 1-2 missile strikes or was the crew unable to cope with the fire on board?

The cruiser Moscow was a missile attack ship. Its own air defence capability was limited by its combat purpose and the specifics of its construction. The cruiser was launched 43 years ago. The air defence coverage of the cruiser was to be provided by escort ships, just as is done with US aircraft carriers or large attack ships of other countries. As for the fire on board, problems with the fire-fighting system have been reported previously on large Russian ships.

 – Why wasn’t the cruiser Moscow attacked earlier?

The attack on the cruiser made no military sense, only political one. Against the background of a one-off surrender in Mariupol of an unprecedented number of servicemen since the Second World War, Kiev had a vital need for a worthwhile response, at least in the information environment. Unlike Moscow, Kiev and Washington rightly see the importance of information engagement in modern warfare. To all appearances, this operation had been prepared in advance and the trump card was laid out at the due time.

 – Why was the Moskva cruiser alone, without escort ships? Will the admiral who gave such an order be punished? Why did the Russian Ministry of Defence not assume that the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet with the iconic name “Moskva” would be a priority target during the war?

To these and other similar questions, we have no answers. Only time can provide them.

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Ramses

It is a “special operation” and now you write war. So when putlers army invade it is special operation, and when “soviet” lose a boat then it is war. Very silly behavior.

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Ghost of Snake Island

The Ukrop government proposed to exchange Medvedchuk for the British mercenary Aiden or w/e his name was. In the interviews that he gave he sounded like a downey, the guy quite literally can’t formulate a single sentence. Whatever his mental condition is, he’s definitely not 100% right in the head. And this one British downey, is deemed more valuable than the hundreds of high ranking Ukrainian officers who are currently in Russian POW camps. I mean….. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The Ukrop gov is expressing how 1 down syndrome retard from the UK has more value than over 2600 Ukrainian POWs combined, including pilots, top brass etc.

The Ukrainian government uses every chance they get to express how they perceive their own soldiers as utterly WORTHLESS cannon fodder. It’s actually insane how the Ukrainian soldiers just cope with all the ways their own gov would rather see them dead than alive and still gleefully continue being cannon fodder for said regime.

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Arzt Injektion

I saw an interview with Aiden. If they are willing to exchange Medvedchuk for him, I would jump at the offer.

Richard Hoard

Kill me now!

Sunny

– Why was the Moskva cruiser alone, without escort ships? Will the admiral who gave such an order be punished? Why did the Russian Ministry of Defence not assume that the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet with the iconic name “Moskva” would be a priority target during the war?

Probably for the same reason Russia has not taken out railroads in the west of Ukraine and allowed NATOstan to pour weapons into Ukraine. There’s at least a 50% chance that the outcome of this war has always been predetermined, similar to how COVID was never going to go away in “2 weeks”. But even if the outcome of this war is predetermined by the global elites, the people of Russia might take matters into their own hands. If they don’t, no one will.

HillBillySlim

I am glad I am not the only one that feels the war is following a script.

Ghost of Snake Island

Well, the 2nd day of the operation was immediately suspicious. The official Moscow narrative is that they were hoping, the Ukrainian army would see the futility of the war, and in the interest of avoiding bloodshed would be hesitant to engage in a full-scale confrontation. However, as we now know, the military and political leadership in Ukraine, is either completely radicalized or bought and paid for. So it was obvious they would never let this happen.

And there’s no doubt Russian intelligence knew about all this. But let’s for the sake of argument say that they didn’t, there’s still so much intermingling between Russians and Ukrainians that almost anyone could have foreseen this escalation. Too many Ukrainians have relatives in Russia, so it seems quite impossible that more detailed information would not have been leaked in both directions.

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Chessmaster

With Moskva the image and reputation of russian army sank. China, India and others closely watching the overhelming incompetence of the russian army. Who else wants to be ally of such militarily incompetent Russia or buy the garbage from russian military industry?

Andrey

Chessmaster, there are no Bayraktars in sight. Can you tell me where they went?

Chessmaster

trying to compare the russian military performance with few confirmed downed Bayraktars or unused javelins is like trying to compare apples and pears. Its about the militarily and political incompetence in its entirety. The signals that this incompetent so called special operation is sending out to the world is disastrous. If this shithole country ukraine manages to inflict serious casualties on the russian armed forces what casualties would be possible by Nato forces? Countries like Finland and Sweden now prefer to gather under the Nato umbrella. Serbia realized that Russian military and industry cant be a reliable partner. They are buying weapon system from China. Only a question of time Serbia will prefer the Nato umbrella and not the special russian opration umbrella. Iran, India, China and others already discussing whats the added value of an alliance with Russia against the Empire.

Dan

Except the signal that’s being sent out is a bunch of lies by Ukraine. Inverting the losses and outright fabrications like the ghost of Kiev

The Truth

Moronic nonsense your every word. Finland and Sweden are more gay and woke than America itself, even Joe Biden is more popular there than in America. They joining NATO was a matter of time. Serbia is just under terrible pressure because of Kosovo , surrounded by NATO and constantly blackmailed, yet they have no intention to join NATO. Iran, India, China, blah, blah now you just pull some random dumb, delusional and delirious shit from your ass. Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe with more weapons than half of NATO members combined, heavily indoctrinated and with years to prepare. Vastly more serious opponents than all American enemies combined since WW2/Korea onwards. So yes, you are utterly clueless and brainless.

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Ask clyde

But but derp derping boom boom the kalibr

Clyde

Ukrotard so sad and angry at Clyde! So many missiles go boom, from one end of failed Ukrainian CIA project to the other! Banderpistan go bye-bye.

Hey

First off, Russian armed forces are defensive in type, from the wheel of the tanks, to SAM systems, all was specifically designed just for defense on Russian territory(to save money due to poor budgets). When you use defensive weapons in offense, and with bad strategy and baboon commanders, you are going to get beaten even by Somali pirates. The only conclusion that can be drawn from this conflict is something we already knew, Russia is not an offensive force, and is always super bad in attack. But thinking that NATO(even in a conventional conflict) could win an attack and take over Russia on the ground is a fairytale, equally like Put1n’s idea that Ukraine would fall against Russian forces in a week or two. Next, any real conflict would be solved by thousands of nukes, where both sides would equally lose as Pentagon already stated. It would be in best interests of China to fill Russia with its own population, make use of its natural goods, and maybe even exterminate corruption in Russia. Russia has a lot of potential, and China will invest in that like a good business man.

Johan

No remarks what ever . But it needs two to tango and Putin is not in rhe mood to accept a defeat he rather likes the russian population killed then looking for a peaceful solution. And what is then the most rational solution? Continuing to fight, surrender, delivering Ukraine to him? I think he must first of all leave his “own war logic” like the Austrian prime minister call it.

ty22ty

who said that sleepy Joe? can u see the narrative of a 5 year old ?

ty22ty

you probably don’t understand anything about war. You don’t have t look at one scenario but a whole history of wars. The one that attacks will lose 25% more at least than the one that defends. In this war, there has been a ground offensive rather than carpet bombing for a month. This is part 2 of the already set scenario. Ukr first will lose Crimea than the Russian regions and then big guys will accept peace with Ukr joining EU.

Michel LeBlanc

What nonsense. Kalibrs and the new Buk air defense are really good.

The reactive.armor on the modernized t72 is performing very well also.

Why are there piles of unused javelins next to old spent soviet rpg’s?

Johan

It is cheap! And in any corrupt country that is an asset. As long as there is no war!

jens holm

Your dildo is cheap.

Hey

You are very wrong about two things. Russian military products that were destroyed are mostly the ones that no major military is buying from Russia anyway. Next, as we can see from western Russian losses aggregators like Oryx, most losses (above 85%) of Russian armor and vehicles happened because of poor strategical placement and logistics on the same, not because the vehicles technically failed, or underperformed. That is where you second line of conclusion falls apart. As for the first one, well China wants, because the reason why you ally to some nation is not purely about it’s army, US has thousand times more operative and capable army than most of it’s allies. China wants Russian huge territory for its economical explosion forward, and natural resources at a bargain price.

Clyde

We can’t see anything but US propaganda from Oryx.

MikeBa

Trollmaster Retarded brainless POS But if you feel better go on with it 😁

JerryDrakeJr

Up to 200,000 Russian soldiers attacked the Ukrainian army of 250,000 soldiers plus 800,000 reservists on the front of almost 3,000 kilometers, within 10 days they took the territory of Ukraine the size of Great Britain, completely destroyed the Ukrainian Air Force and Air Defense. After a month, Ukraine was left without 3/4 of its tanks, without half of its armored vehicles and artillery … This is far from incompetent! I don’t care about the Russians, I don’t give the fuck for the Ukrainians, so I can allow myself a fairly objective view, can you claim the same?

Johny cash

U feel putin is controlled opposition too?

jens holm

U feel my dick in your throat

Johan

The script of defeat.

Daniel

The great reset?!

DSB88

Perhaps WW3 is as scripted as the two previous ones. A great reset for the The Global elites who will hide in their underground bunkers and cities with unlimited resources.

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Shlomo Shekelbergsteingoldsilvergreen

*hand rubbing intensifies*

Daniel

The great reset?!

James Ferguson

Well said, SF. Putin said from the begining war, war, war. But Ukrainian propaganda: Not war! It’s a “Special Operation”. Now thay have to admit the “special operation” was a lie.

russianmom

you want some fried moskva?

Michel LeBlanc

Your government is chicken kiev. Cant say no to amerinazi. Your are commiting suicide by cop.

You started this civil war, you will pay the price!

Clyde

Such a funny name! Meanwhile, English incels are just pounding on the Ukrainian women who had to flee the failed Ukrainian CIA project. The UN actually had to intervene. So many new Ukrainian moms to come with pasty little Limey babies! “Female refugees seeking new homes after sexual advances by British hosts” https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/female-refugees-seeking-new-homes-after-sexual-advances-by-british-hosts-zsh78cvxm

Why don’t you get out on the Maidan and bounce up and down for those ladies?

good4u

Russia will sooner or later officially declare the war and up the ante

Jonny Cash

lol, what a nonsense, it doesnt matter how SF labeled putinshits “special operation”

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Dan

U mad bruh

Southfront

Southfront,

Quite frankly I’m tired of your tolerance towards anti-Russian trolls here.

There is no point even reading comments infested with 2 or 3 pro-ukro psychos who pollute and abuse every comment section every day.

Dunno if they are organized or just completely insane but no one is here to read their endless crazy drivel. Yet for some reason You can’t or won’t do anything so stop their stupid trolling.

Johny cash

Im tired of your blind loyalty to putin at the expense of the poor conscripts being used as canon fodders. Why you so loyal to a caviar addict. Im tired of your lack of critical thinking and thnk the russian leadership is the best. This war has proved hw rank and corrupt the outin regime is. Down with putin bless uo to all normal russians. You kow iq blind dimwit

f u c k you

Braindead moron you are tired of your sad lonely existence in your shitty basement, you sad inbred freak with no brain, life, purpose or a single IQ point. Are you really THAT stupid you think someone, anyone will believe your retarded garbage lies? one moment you scream how all Russian ‘orcs’ should be killed, next moment you switch your name and your schizophrenic persona and now you care for Russians?? F.uck you stupid lame bitch. Now switch back to Johan and hans raus or whatever gay nick you pathetic pile of dog shit.

Johny cash

Shut your disabled hate filled nonsensicle self pajeet. Has the curry fucked up your low iq brain. I love Russians but hate putin coz he dont value russians life so suck your mum u poverty stricken pajeet. Keep sucking the controlled opposite dick

Johny cash

Has it ever crossed your low iq brain that putin could be a controlled opposition. If your answer is no then u are truly fully gone. Question everything punk instead of being a sheep whether its to the msm or putin

Ivan da silveira

Stfu dumb whore and suck my hairy balls.

Southfront

P.S. You can clearly see that literally 50% comments here are the SAME imbecilic psychopath spamming nothing but insane nonsense: Johny cash, James Ferguson, russianmom, only facts, Nato is laughing, Remember Bucha, Johan, mariupol is liberated etc etc….

This is not about free speech, not even about enemy propaganda; he obviously belongs in a cage in a mental asylum.

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Theo

Well , SF likes to complain how everyone is incompetent but them . In reality they are very incompetent or lazy or for some silly reason think this lame trolling is somehow good for the site . Free speech ? There is no such thing in war .

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Putin bitches tears taste like heaven

Muahhhh muahhh

Putin bitches tears taste like heaven

Most of the comments are you crying for mummy, but i love it. Did someone hurt your pewee?

Hunter Biden your Pimp

Your mommy hurt my pewee when she bite me with her two remaining teeth. Dumb cocksucking bitch just like you. Now you both kiss it to make it feel better 💋🍆

plus

Jefferson Brazil, FreeToThink, Nirakanai, and of course hans raus – all him. Total degenerate.

Yuri

homo hillbilly sodomized by Taliban—prefer behavior like swallowing ghetto sperm

Jonny Cash

yurishit putinstein

Ghost of Snake Island

Lmao this has got to be one of your dumbest posts yet. Full of copium and fiction.

Ghost of Snake Island

F-I-C-T-I-O-N On the other hand, Kiev refused to pick up ukrop corpses in various regions like Volnavakha and other places. And that we know for a fact because those corpses are still there lmao. Despite locals and various representatives pleading Kiev to come pick them up. There’s also footage on telegram of dogs literally eating the remains of Ukrainian soldiers. That’s how little they are worth. Less than a pound of pork. Just food for starving dogs.

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HillBillySlim

Any truth to the rumour that Russia scuttled the ship themselves as a justifucation for expanded war aims?

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good4u

Possibly. Ship was 5 years from decommissioning. It could ‘justify’ Russian escalation of other fronts

Bill

I’m a little worried that no one is mentioning the nuclear weapons onboard this submarine. In the anoxic conditions where she lays recovery of these items might be possible.

Omas Bioladen

Turks aready lurking around the regions she sank.

Barry

There was no nuclear weapons onboard don’t be retarded.

B A

none

Maju

Not likely: it’s humiliating for Russia to lose a ship in any case.

FreeToThink

Nope it was the main air defence unit of the black sea.

And it is not cheap to replace 400 drowned experienced sailors.

Michel LeBlanc

No it wasent , its a carrier killer. Its ad is provided by other ships.

Quit Drugs

PeeToDrink your diseased worm infected brain was drowned in Zelenskys toilet.

Sailors are well, your retarded shit is 100% debunked but keep farting and barking stupid bitch.

SpecOps

Russia’s ominous warning of unpredictable consequences to US for helping Ukraine and Ukraine’s own silence on what should be the best propaganda victory they have had yet indicates the US had a part to play in the Moskva attack, and Ukraine is nervous.

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Johan

What ever happened with the Moscow it is embracing for Russia, stupidity or incapability aren’t they equal wrong? A cigaret in the powder house is a bad as being incapable to intercept two incoming rockets with a complete eskadron ships, what i think did happen. About the foto’s it is obvious that it is taken before the sinking.

Jens Borg

You are “embracing” for your monkey parents

Remember Bucha!

russia isn’t impressing anyone in this war…USA will eat it for a snack when the time comes…heheheh…

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Ghost of Snake Island

Care to enlighten us what you think happened in Bucha? Let me guess, hmm, whatever CNN said am I right?

Remember Bucha!

The World knows what happened and will hold russia accountable!

Yuri

impotent homo in arkansas cannot hold senile veg Biden accountable…lol

AISO REPs DFAT GLOBO UNLAWFULL SNITCHERS

Speak for your self,dreamer of fucking deadcorpses in refigerators,you fake news phsycos!

Andrey

Don’t worry, Ukrainians Nazis will answer for the Bucha!

Remember the evidence: “Kill everyone without blue armbands!”

Oscar

The U.S military is full of queers and lesbians, the only thing they can eat for a snack is each other’s privates hehehehehe

Remember Bucha!

Queers & Lesbians is all it will take to beat that russian azz!

Yuri

talky talky—lgbt hillbilly do nothing—insecure little girl….”only. in America is the father vestigial–the American mind and conscience is feminine”. Geoffrey gorer

AISO REPs DFAT GLOBO UNLAWFULL SNITCHERS

YE cant beat anything but one another for the few remaining corpse rations to bonk (sic)

good4u

You’ve been fed by the MSM spoon again, haven’t you!

Remember Bucha!

More russian ships will be sunk soon…heheheh…

Yuri

half US naval vessels not combat capable—Russia will easily turn your shithole lgbt nation into Stone Age—but you feminized cowards will never directly challenge us—taliban sodomizes you now Russia humiliates you!

Jonny Cash

well this is that one thing you have in advance: your country is almost at stoneage level. and soon all these yuriwhores from yuristan will be set home in coffins. .. but wait, since wladiwhore putinshit is afraid telling the truth, he will just let them rot where they were torn apart. poor yuriwhore

Michel LeBlanc

Where is your counter attack ukro whore?

How does it feel to prostitute your country so Joe Biden can steal everything he can get hid cock on.

Redirecting to putin is a weak argument of no substance. Tell your controlling officer you need new strategies, not crap that a 21 year old came up with.

AISO REPs DFAT GLOBO UNLAWFULL SNITCHERS

But your a liar which means shit,thats all you exist here on in,just for shit all so fullovit too!

Inquisition

Yes as we see in Afghanistan, call Emma with two moms

Remember Bucha!

USA beat that Afghan azz for 20 years & left it a pile of rubble…same coming for russia soon…heheheh…

Yuri

taliban sodomize you—you lgbt love sodomy

AISO REPs DFAT GLOBO UNLAWFULL SNITCHERS

THINK YOUR FUNNY EH SATANIC POOF LAUGH AT THIS ( I ) MY MEN WILL WIPE YOU TOO!

Inquisition

That’s radiculouse nato-us even after 3 months of permanent bombing of serbia was not able to deactive Yugoslav army in fact the trups was 90% intact as you see the Taliban are still the Boss in Afghanistan and even more dangerous as 2001

ATLGA

Bad news troll. Another merc I’ve been monitoring for a few weeks just got sent to Donbas, it isn’t looking so good for NATO and Nazi bitches.

https://i.postimg.cc/SnPp1nYK/0-CD49-FCA-1-CDC-4-FE6-AD6-A-B13779-C596-FD.png

Remember Bucha!

The moskva went BYE-BYE!

Yuri

lgbt arkansas hillbilly say bye bye to Ukraine…lol

AISO REPs DFAT GLOBO UNLAWFULL SNITCHERS

REMMEMBER YUGOSLAVIA,WE ARE GONNA FUK YOU OVER LIKE NEVER EVER BEFORE! FAKE NEWS DEGENERATE DESPERATO LOSER BUM.

Jonny Cash

learn some proper english you sad rip-off of an autistic putins cocksucking dietard

hans raus

I piss on you and your english you mutant braindead, moronic cocksucking whore owned by yankee niggers

Yuri

senile homo nazi impressed by lgbt

AISO REPs DFAT GLOBO UNLAWFULL SNITCHERS

BUGGER YOU,IMPOTENT,DEGENERATED,HALWIT, LOW IQ TRANNY FLOG,AS IF DUMBASS ( O) KWEER!

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Dan

Keep trying troll.

ShillHitTheFan

I’m trying to broaden my knowledge of this war and here you scum spouting nonsense. You’re the trash if the Internet. Go to hell punk.

JayLindberg

Good work. I assume Russia could upgrade the Black Sea Fleet by purchasing brand new, state of the art, cruisers for immediate delivery. After all, it’s time China got some real time battle experience for their brand new Navy.

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Jonny Cash

i guess china will think twice before accepting worthless rubels son

hans raus

they accept your mama for 1 yuan per chinese dick

Juan

“general”. How ignorant can you get… SMH

Hey

Hans Raus please make sweet love to my asshole!

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JayLindberg

I doubt the loss of this 40 plus year old ship is actually a major loss for Russia. After all, It’s not like the Russians can’t buy a new, state of the art, cruiser from China tomorrow and have it delivered in a couple of weeks.

I’m curious to find out just how good the Chinese ships really are with a seasoned crew of the Russian navy.

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FreeToThink

No Russian military ships allowed to black sea. And chinese chips are chinese quality.

jens holm

You plastic dildo is US quality, the only thing made in US these days…

Lance Ripplinger

If the ship was actually hit with anti-ship missiles, how did Ukraine pull it off? Nothing is adding up, and Russia being silent about it, does nothing to help put an end to rumors and speculation. The Russian MOD should come clean about what happened, but alas, I won’t hold my breath that they will.

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Maju

There are undercover NATO troops in Ukraine and they might have even fired from outside Ukraine. For Russia this is embarrasing so they’re going to adhere to a low profile version of the events (“shit happens” kind of line) but, in any case, with or without clear evidence, Russia does not want to escalate direct conflict against NATO.

Of course that, if this kind of undercover NATO attacks become more common, then we should be scared of scalation indeed.

FreeToThink

Moskva was distracted with drones. Drones also gave coordinates for those Ukraine missiles.

Ghost of Snake Island

We already knew you are low IQ but you just keep proving it every time you decide to type something. Muh drones lmao Imagine thinking that in order to identify the location of a ship you need a drone…. If you’re going to troll and spread ukrop propaganda online you should probably do some research. Here’s a pro tip, start looking into radar and what it’s capabilities are.

ORCHARD1

Valid point, nothing adds up about this incident. Ukraine says an anti ship missile did the damage, begging the question does one of the Neptune missiles have the capacity to do such damage. Oh wait, now there were two missiles. So how did they both escape detection from the sophisticated Russian defence systems. Russia says it was caused by a fire that started from some type of incompetence of the crew. An unusual admission if true, and why was the crew given such a warm reception when they reached Sevastapol if they were responsible for causing such embarrassment to the reputation of the Russian navy. The most straightforward answer is alluded to in the article, that it was a direct attack by the US or NATO, either by a submarine or by a DEW. Where things go from there is anyone’s guess, but it’s an escalation of tensions that nobody needs.

APE FACE

Glad the vast majority of the brave Russian sailors are ok. Unlike the Nazis in Mariupol.

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FreeToThink

One can count 50…120 sailors on that Russian propaganda video.

Where are all the rest? 400 drowned?

Ghost of Snake Island

Considering you literally didn’t know about the existence of radar until I told you, I am not surprised that you are also incapable of math and arithmetic.

hans raus dead

Dipshit, both your brain and eyes are 100% dead. You have no spine or balls either pathetic bitch. Just one huge pile of diseased poo stinking in your loser basement and waiting the rest of your half-dead deformed body to collapse and die completely. Soon no doubt.

Remember Bucha!

russian navy = joke

USA & UK navies have a long history of ruling the oceans…time to steam into the Black Sea & show russia what REAL Navies look like!

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Yuri

lgbt in arkansas senile coward

Azov is not an Ukraine sea

I remember sheffield sunk by Argies….I remember S. Galahad, S. Tristan sunk by Argies…

Remember Bucha!

“moskva” = russia word for “burning pile of shyt”, heheheh…

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AISO REPs DFAT GLOBO UNLAWFULL SNITCHERS

You sodomite lgbtq activists have no future there (period) Either way wrong or right you will LOSE!

eat shit and die

you = gonorrhea diseased pile of dog shit slowly dying from cancer heheheh…

Omas Bioladen

Moskva was put on the sea bed on Putins order to protect her from ukronazi harassment and mistreatment. When Ukraine is liberated in a handfull weeks she will be brought back to the surface and refurbished.

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Josh

Good question and answer segment. Very good.

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WT Baker

It could have simply been an accident. Accidents do happen at sea.

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Niraikanai

“It was an accident,” “It was bad luck,” “It was an outdated ship.” Russians and those who defend Russia are full of excuses.

Russians = vodka (alcoholism), cheating, bribery, doping, nepotism, excuses, silence, serfs, blame shifting, violence, mafia = incompetence.

Niraikanai

In the Napoleonic Wars, Russia was helped by the climate (General Winter). In the Russo-Japanese War, the Russians were defeated by the Japanese. In the Winter War, the Soviets won against Finland, but considering the national strengths of the Soviets and Finland, the Soviets lost.

Russia has a vast territory and a large population, but that is all. Its quality is inferior to that of the Western countries. Many Russians are lazy. Not only in military power, but also in political power, Russia is inferior to the Western countries. Not only in political power, but also in economic power, Russia is inferior to the Western countries. Conclusion: Russia is an incompetent nation. Russia can only rely on nuclear weapons and gas (oil).

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Inquisition

Inferior to the western countries? almost every single part here in german tehnology are made by Chinas parts

History

Rubbish. Napoleon lost 90% of his army before winter and was already running away before any snow. He made up that laughable story and morons like you still repeat it. Also ask Carolus Rex, Friedrich the Great, Adolf Hitler and your turkish sultans who is “inferior” you inferior cretin.

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FreeToThink

https://twitter.com/nadinbrzezinski/status/1515547275572830210?t=O91_NLpSjirO-gEjvO_qIw&s=19 Just quit and count the losses.

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FreeToThink

One can count 50…120 sailors on that Russian propaganda video.

Where are all the rest?

Moskva vas the main air defence ship of the black sea fleet, now it is gone.

Sven-E

Could it be possible that a ship hit a mine, and that was the reason why the ship sunk during towing?

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Orlando de Carvalho

Frank, porque colocaste uma fotografia falsa na capa da notícia “STRIKE ON MOSKVA MISSILE CRUISER IS ONLY PRECURSOR TO CHANGE IN MILITARY SITUATION IN REGION”?!

Frank, why did you put a fake photo on the cover of the news “STRIKE ON MOSKVA MISSILE CRUISER IS ONLY PRECURSOR TO CHANGE IN MILITARY SITUATION IN REGION”?!

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hans raus

450 sailors are dead and cold among amazing black sea fish species. It’s clear that russian propaganda video show just 50-70 sailors. Do try to fool us southfront, we are not easly manipulated russian’s.

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Ghost of Snake Island

Don’t you think it’s about time to move on to the next stage of grief, from denial to anger? It’s probably better for your mental health to stop lying to yourself, overdosing on copium can get you only so far.

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cope

Hey

Please make love to my asshole!

rex

Sorry but the most obvious answers aren’t even contemplated in the article. The first one is sabotage. Yes, there are traitors in Russia too, it isn’t an american trademark. The second one is a mine. Let’s remember that the ukrops have disseminated the Black Sea with mines, some of them have reached the Bosphorus!!! And let’s remember that the night of the incident there was a storm. It isn’t at all difficult that a mine could have reached the ship and detonated and, by sheer luck, detonated near ammo.

Obviously the sabotage looks more realistic from a statistical point of view

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le sith rouge

a shame for the russians.

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John

If NATO are complicit, then attack NATO !

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